ATTENTION RULES SPOILER: It’s been pointed out that Devastating Wounds no longer inflict Mortal Wounds, so Draigo’s 4+ FNP wouldn’t have worked against the Forge Fiend (which we all missed at the time). As a result, I will reverse the victory point scores as Draigo would very likely have died to the subsequent Obliterator shooting. The League leaderboards will reflect this. Congratulations Beard! :)❤️🕷️
I believe it was Forgefiend shooting. With Daemonic Ordnance they get Dev wounds and hazardous. But Draigo should have 4+ FNP rules changed like Custodes :)
Beard handled this game very well, he's such a gent. I know they're all friends and he and Lawrence are practically brothers with how many games they've played together, but it still hurts to get tabled like that especially to start off the League. Look forward to seeing more League matches soon!
We are indeed brothers at this point, but that aside, he actually won this game! I reversed the victory points scored based on the fact that Draigo no longer gets a 4+ FNP against Devastating Wounds, so would very likely have been killed early :)
i was hoping that it was one of your league rules, i hate the fact GW hasnt answered simple FAQ's like having ALL mw saves count towards dev wounds.@@tabletoptactics
love how much fun these guys have!! i just started my grey knights with a combat patrol. cant wait to build it more, doing a tourny at local store to learn more about the game
Love the match up. So cool to see how the dataslate affected both of these armies. Loving the League set up, looking forward to getting some games in to support the cause!
I love the idea of playing your favourite factions! Looking forward to this league, I was wondering to myself the other day when the next league would be 🙌
Lawrence, props for the forfeit. I take it YOU are now eligible to change your list as the losing player? If so, I might recommend swapping out one Librarian for a Grand Master. The recent FAQ clarification allowing his rule to ignore -Damage modifiers is huge. Those vortexes treated you well this game, but it is only a matter of time until they will betray you! Mark my words...
If you want to see why Tabletop Tactics is the premier 40K outlet. Checkout my favorite Bat Rep- World Eaters Ultra Marine, back in February 2023. Pure battle joy from Chef and Lawrence. “Im taking Ultra Marines.” “Lawrence who cares.” Lol😂
Indeed it should! Turns out Beard couldn’t get Devastating Wounds on his Obliterators anyway, so I was mistakenly making saves for a mistake. Hilarious. But he does get it on the Forgefiends, so ultimately I’ll reverse the score in his favour :)
Good game if but a little brutal. And I have downloaded the app and fought my first league game with my noble Ultramarines vs the diabolical Chaos Knights, and lost, but it was a valiant effort and my Lieutenant took down a Knight Despoiler with grenades, that was fun.
It always felt out of character for the Iron Warriors to have mark of anything, considering their lore, but if you think it in the way of "there was a demon with that mark, who's ass I beat, then trapped in this tech thing and then slotted the thing into my evil gaming PC to have more FPS" then it makes sense.
Grey Knights can pull units for teleport shenanigans EOT and deploy them on your 1st turn??? I know Lawrence said it’s in updated rules but I haven’t found it anywhere in the data slate. Perhaps I’m overlooking it? Please advise! The Emperor Protects.
Beard getting to experience the misery of GK Librarian MW spam. My friend plays them and runs 3. Losing units to them without any interaction feels really bad.
Can someone clear something up for me, do strike marines have a 2+ save? I’m out of the loop but they were savings AP 2 hits on 4s which seems really surprising!
@@matthewcheeseman6453 Realistically you'll be saving ap 2 on a 2+ still on any decent 10th edition board. Not having cover is the rare exception with how 10th edition cover works.
Hello guys, I am pretty excited about the league. Here in my country, the community is quite small, however I think there might be a lot of people excited to participate in the league and be part of a grander community. Is there a way for us to organize small events on a local level that will be part of the league?
With regards to the league,which I want to join,do we have to stick to one list for the entire league or can we swap out units/detachments? Also do all games have to be 2k pts?
I might have missed it but what happened to flame head on Beards home objective. he was there in one shot then the terminators came down on it and he was gone. is there a rule that I missed that makes him die or is removed?
He was initially killed with the rest of the squad in turn 1, beard just kept him there as a reminder that the objective was still his due to the cultist special rule 🙂 and then removed him when the objective was no longer his
You can indeed create your effective own ‘mini league’ in the next update. Around two weeks from now the new Teams filter will become available. You will be able to create or join a ‘Team’ (which can be your club for example) and then you can filter the global leaderboard by your team, where it will re-rank you against each other (effectively creating your own mini league).
It’s annoying the FNP doesn’t trigger on dev wounds, it was the primary way of Mortals even being in the game at first. They even recognised it should with the custodes army rule change so I don’t know why they don’t just make it a flat across the board change cause it was accounted for in the beginning.
Is it me or is GK only army that actually gets decent chance to get "Capture enemy Outpost" on turn 1 as opposed of it being just flat out impossible for any other army (on turn 1)?
GK player here, I'm sorry how is it that you can bring the removed units BACK on T1?? Want to understand so I can explain to others if I do that. Help please!
I did play a game - it was so brutally one sided that we couldn’t release. I just don’t think it would be entertaining to watch me use them for the majority of the audience (who usually say my games are too one sided/I should be nerfed anyway).
Is 11 months old too young to get into 40k? My little one and I were watching ( trying to get him to sleep since it's past his bed time), but was still watching
No, thats a hard pass for me. Once the score is in, it final. Unless something malicious happened with certainty. GK would likely have won anyways. Ive had some tough breaks realizing my opponent did something wrong. Never asked for a take back though. Beard was also playing.
They are one of the strongest armies with the most wins. Oblits and FFs alone continue to be silly strong even after some point nerfs. The synergies and effects Chaos have are just fantastic. They aren't Aeldari strong, but they are good
They are still absurdely strong. Possibly still top 5, but definitely top tier, with only Necrons and Black Templar being a grade above (And those are both mistakes on GWs part. BT because they didn't nerf them nearly enough and Necrons because they have some broken datasheets they didn't fix).
ATTENTION RULES SPOILER:
It’s been pointed out that Devastating Wounds no longer inflict Mortal Wounds, so Draigo’s 4+ FNP wouldn’t have worked against the Forge Fiend (which we all missed at the time).
As a result, I will reverse the victory point scores as Draigo would very likely have died to the subsequent Obliterator shooting. The League leaderboards will reflect this. Congratulations Beard! :)❤️🕷️
I believe it was Forgefiend shooting. With Daemonic Ordnance they get Dev wounds and hazardous. But Draigo should have 4+ FNP rules changed like Custodes :)
It was actually the forgefiend that had the dev wounds, he gains devastating wounds and hazardous on dark pact
Was it the forgefiend that he rolled all the 6’s on? I’ll have to re-watch and check :) 🕷️
23:40
@tabletoptactics that's the one, that would have been 6 from your squad dead right away which may have changed the game. 😊
The paint job on those Iron Warriors is fucking phenomenal. All that industrial grunge, grime, and wear. Absolutely incredible.
Beard handled this game very well, he's such a gent. I know they're all friends and he and Lawrence are practically brothers with how many games they've played together, but it still hurts to get tabled like that especially to start off the League. Look forward to seeing more League matches soon!
We are indeed brothers at this point, but that aside, he actually won this game! I reversed the victory points scored based on the fact that Draigo no longer gets a 4+ FNP against Devastating Wounds, so would very likely have been killed early :)
@@tabletoptactics Ah thanks for clarifying Lawrence! Congrats to mister Beard!
i was hoping that it was one of your league rules, i hate the fact GW hasnt answered simple FAQ's like having ALL mw saves count towards dev wounds.@@tabletoptactics
Agreed, it doesn’t make much sense that GW don’t address it, but as we were playing by their FAQ’s it stands :)
A painful lesson learned there Lawrence but great sportsmanship flipping the result in Joe's favor. Good man.
The premier 40k channel IMO - keep up the awesome work guys and gal!
Joe might legit have the best looking iron warriors i ahve ever seen, the day they get a rule set will be this mans heaven
Remember beard, the first forgefiend shot into a 10 man blob - meaning 6 extra blast shots! :)
6 extra (2 per 5 per weapon).
@@theStamax yes of course, wrote wrong heh
So pumped y'all! Can't wait to get in my first league game! Got one scheduled for tomorrow night, Wolves vs Necrons!
Good luck!
Saw this on demand, here to help with the algorithm! Keep up the good work ❤
Thank you!
love how much fun these guys have!! i just started my grey knights with a combat patrol. cant wait to build it more, doing a tourny at local store to learn more about the game
Beard flipping his Dice has made my day 😄 18:47
Love the match up. So cool to see how the dataslate affected both of these armies. Loving the League set up, looking forward to getting some games in to support the cause!
"these new daemon-hammers hit on 3s now..."
Famous last words.
This is a brilliant format. Learnt a lot. Thanks
Awesome battle report ! A difficult one for the chaos, to meet its nemesis !
Best battle reports on TH-cam 👍
Awesome stuff as usual, cheers for all the effort you guys put into entertaining us.
that was a great game, even with the rules mixup.
Great to see the best of each of the armies going at it.
Really enjoyed this battle report. Great job :)
I love the idea of playing your favourite factions! Looking forward to this league, I was wondering to myself the other day when the next league would be 🙌
Lawrence is such a character. My son really enjoys watching him play- laughter, enjoying the game, he’s a true 40K “G”.
Thank you! ❤️🕷️
Im being pressured to join ON Demand from Tabletop Tactics by my son. He said ditch PlayStation plus and get this instead!
@@tabletoptacticsAre there any Codes for joining?
What do you mean by codes?
@@tabletoptactics Im sorry- discounts on purchasing Models.
Lawrence, props for the forfeit. I take it YOU are now eligible to change your list as the losing player? If so, I might recommend swapping out one Librarian for a Grand Master. The recent FAQ clarification allowing his rule to ignore -Damage modifiers is huge. Those vortexes treated you well this game, but it is only a matter of time until they will betray you! Mark my words...
Thanks! Yeah a GM could be good! I am eligible to change now but honestly, I’m kinda still suspect on the dreadknights at this point… 👀👀👀👀
Gorgeous models as always guyys, thanks for the video!
If you want to see why Tabletop Tactics is the premier 40K outlet. Checkout my favorite Bat Rep- World Eaters Ultra Marine, back in February 2023. Pure battle joy from Chef and Lawrence. “Im taking Ultra Marines.” “Lawrence who cares.” Lol😂
Nice video, even with the rules debacle. Are we going to be seeing any other narratives like the Tyranids/Votann y'all put out recently?
Yeah we have more games like that on the way :)
Dev wounds aren't mortals anymore so draigo mortal wound protection doesn't work anymore against dev wounds
Ah yes, that’s a very good catch! That’s quite a big mistake - so will look at adjusting scores for the game.
Was coming to comments to say this! Draigos save is sadly nearly useless.
It really should work like that though!
Indeed it should! Turns out Beard couldn’t get Devastating Wounds on his Obliterators anyway, so I was mistakenly making saves for a mistake. Hilarious. But he does get it on the Forgefiends, so ultimately I’ll reverse the score in his favour :)
@@tabletoptactics but the forgefiend does have devasting wounds when it makes a dark pact
Man that was brutal! Great game and I cant wait for more
I really enjoyed watching the game. It shows just how powerful movement abilities can be with tactical mission deck.
Guy playing Grey Knights actually sounds like Draigo from the Grey Knight and Inquisitor video game.
Good game if but a little brutal.
And I have downloaded the app and fought my first league game with my noble Ultramarines vs the diabolical Chaos Knights, and lost, but it was a valiant effort and my Lieutenant took down a Knight Despoiler with grenades, that was fun.
Congrats on your first game, win or lose, fun was had!
Loving Spider's haircut!
I love both factions. Didn’t know who to root for!
Would love the recipe for those dark purple force weapons, those are exactly how I want mine to look
It always felt out of character for the Iron Warriors to have mark of anything, considering their lore, but if you think it in the way of "there was a demon with that mark, who's ass I beat, then trapped in this tech thing and then slotted the thing into my evil gaming PC to have more FPS" then it makes sense.
Ohhh yeah! Best way to start the weekend! :D
Grey Knights can pull units for teleport shenanigans EOT and deploy them on your 1st turn???
I know Lawrence said it’s in updated rules but I haven’t found it anywhere in the data slate. Perhaps I’m overlooking it? Please advise!
The Emperor Protects.
Brother beard took it on the chin bless him XD need orcs vs grey knights :D
I’m super excited to use the app I’m building up my dream 2000 point daemons army to use
Just starting grey knights as my first army, waiting my inbound combat patrol ☺️
Go Warsmith Beard! Bring down those pesky loyalists, The Spider's not invincible! Iron Within, Iron Without!
Thank you.
I wish I still had my Eldar and Necrons, I would want to field them against your armies if I get any chance
Iron warriors are definitely my favorite chapter.
Beard getting to experience the misery of GK Librarian MW spam. My friend plays them and runs 3. Losing units to them without any interaction feels really bad.
Wait what ? draigo has mortal wounds save, but the forgefiend does not do mortalwounds, he does dev wounds. 8 terminators would have died outright.
Yeah we caught this now, have addressed this in our pinned comment :)
Can someone clear something up for me, do strike marines have a 2+ save? I’m out of the loop but they were savings AP 2 hits on 4s which seems really surprising!
Yes 2+ armour save. You can also spend 1cp on truesilver armour and reduce incoming AP by 1, so they could have been saving AP2 on a 3+
@@matthewcheeseman6453 fuck… ouch?
If they drop in cover as well it goes back to a 2+
@@niallharrison8180 that sounds like...tactics
@@matthewcheeseman6453 Realistically you'll be saving ap 2 on a 2+ still on any decent 10th edition board. Not having cover is the rare exception with how 10th edition cover works.
"My stormbolters did nothing." I say multiple times every time I play GK.
just to point out that castellan crowe makes purifiers hit on 2s for purifying flame
Dark Obscuration doesn’t work against Vortex of Doom as the Vortex is an ability and not a shooting attack.
Cool as always 👍
GK are great again 🔥
Hello guys, I am pretty excited about the league. Here in my country, the community is quite small, however I think there might be a lot of people excited to participate in the league and be part of a grander community.
Is there a way for us to organize small events on a local level that will be part of the league?
Something like this will be coming in a future update!
With regards to the league,which I want to join,do we have to stick to one list for the entire league or can we swap out units/detachments? Also do all games have to be 2k pts?
Lists can be changed, Factions cannot 🙂 All games are 2k. The full rules pack is on the website, the link is in the description 🙂
I might have missed it but what happened to flame head on Beards home objective. he was there in one shot then the terminators came down on it and he was gone. is there a rule that I missed that makes him die or is removed?
He was initially killed with the rest of the squad in turn 1, beard just kept him there as a reminder that the objective was still his due to the cultist special rule 🙂 and then removed him when the objective was no longer his
Would someone please explain the sustain rule? Im not in 40k rules at the moment.
Great game!!
So did CSM not have an overrage of deep strike at the beginning of the game?
22:50 how did melta tendril did 7 damage?
+2 at half range
Awesome game.
Iron within! Iron without!
Would l8ve to see those grey knights against triple c'tan hypercrypt. Maybe that's a list that can deal with c'tan
I'm guessing all the other games are on demand? Will we at least get the final?
Correct, but the final is currently undecided. The liklihood is OnDemand, but schedules are always liable to change
@@tabletoptactics ok, honestly, thanks for replying! They don't usually do.
Where can I find the helmet of the warpsmith
Can you create your own events in the app? My club wants to run a league just for us and the app looks great. We would be keen to use it.
You can indeed create your effective own ‘mini league’ in the next update. Around two weeks from now the new Teams filter will become available. You will be able to create or join a ‘Team’ (which can be your club for example) and then you can filter the global leaderboard by your team, where it will re-rank you against each other (effectively creating your own mini league).
@@tabletoptactics That sounds awesome! Thanks for letting me know!
Are dev wounds and mortal wounds are not the same right?
That’s right, we missed this at the time. I’ll adjust my scores to a loss :)
Only if you play Custodes. ;)
❤Chef- Brains behind TT.
It’s annoying the FNP doesn’t trigger on dev wounds, it was the primary way of Mortals even being in the game at first. They even recognised it should with the custodes army rule change so I don’t know why they don’t just make it a flat across the board change cause it was accounted for in the beginning.
Ignoring the mistake made on Dev wounds... Always mists the unit carrying draigo seeing as the purifiers were relatively safe in the back corner.
Grey Knights vs their preferred enemy, went just about as should have been expected.
*Shiny battle!*
Is it me or is GK only army that actually gets decent chance to get "Capture enemy Outpost" on turn 1 as opposed of it being just flat out impossible for any other army (on turn 1)?
GK player here, I'm sorry how is it that you can bring the removed units BACK on T1?? Want to understand so I can explain to others if I do that. Help please!
As units haven't started in reserve turn 1, they're eligible to be placed
How could the spider betray Commorragh like that
I did play a game - it was so brutally one sided that we couldn’t release. I just don’t think it would be entertaining to watch me use them for the majority of the audience (who usually say my games are too one sided/I should be nerfed anyway).
@@tabletoptactics that makes sense but now my archon has a score to settle
App looking HOT! Is it possible to create your own private league in the app?
That could also be pretty awesome. :D
Coming in a future update!
Grey Nights turned up had the iron warriors for a light bite , then warped on for someone/thing else to destroy.
Is 11 months old too young to get into 40k? My little one and I were watching ( trying to get him to sleep since it's past his bed time), but was still watching
Very nice how y’all change the results to reflect the actual rules when you make a mistake, most other channels just apologize and move on
Yeah. All gents. If only the six nations worked the same way. 🏴
Beard, maybe go Legionaires with MoE instead of chosen, trio of bikes perhaps?
I think Chaos Lord + 5 Legionaires in a Rhino (all Slaanesh) is probably more efficient, but the MoE murderbrick with Legionaires is hella fun :D.
FINALLY I CAN SEE MY BOYS SLICE UP SOME HERETICS
We could have had Druhkari??? Cmonnn mannnn
Grey Knights represent
A shame about the rules mistake, but great game anyways!
No, thats a hard pass for me. Once the score is in, it final. Unless something malicious happened with certainty. GK would likely have won anyways. Ive had some tough breaks realizing my opponent did something wrong. Never asked for a take back though. Beard was also playing.
Dragos ability 4+ on mw don't work on dev wounds anymore
Yes this was noted in the pinned comment 😅
I'm a Chaos player and I don't think we deserve Armour of Contempt for 1cp
Why bother to built an army list and field them against the grey knights?😢
Yaaasssss
Algorithm!
Rad
I soooo much dont like playing against Grey Knights.... :P
This is great but more old world please
Freeview will be getting one Old World report a month, or you can get one weekly by signing up to OnDemand 🙂
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I would love these videos if you didn't make all those daft noise when you are shooting or whatever, it makes it really hard to watch for me
This is how we enjoy playing the game, we don’t take our toy soldiers very seriously around here I’m afraid.
CSM are so weak now :(((
They are one of the strongest armies with the most wins. Oblits and FFs alone continue to be silly strong even after some point nerfs.
The synergies and effects Chaos have are just fantastic. They aren't Aeldari strong, but they are good
They are still absurdely strong. Possibly still top 5, but definitely top tier, with only Necrons and Black Templar being a grade above (And those are both mistakes on GWs part. BT because they didn't nerf them nearly enough and Necrons because they have some broken datasheets they didn't fix).
@@theStamaxHaha they have now 43% win ratio - tyranids only have 42% its strong?😅
@@Xirianek if you are paying any attention to win rates at this point, you have a serious lack of perspective
Playing IW but using marks other than undivided? Shameful.