I watch a lot of these list, and yours is one that isn't biased for hero ships and well thought out. The top dog just happens to be my favorite ship for Starfleet, and the way you placed it and the others was really good. Might disagree with one or two's posistion on here, but they wouldn't be switched around hardly at all. You are really good at the technical ideology of stuff and look forward to other videos.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Is bias is confusing the fact that several of those ships were better in every way, but then for some weird delusional reasons he says that it was a jack of all trades and wasn't better at anything. He couldn't say which ship was better.
@@GiantFreakinRobotyou say galaxy was designed to do things a soveriegn can't, but never tell us what those things are. Smh this list is crap you could take a constitution class weld 20 or 30 torpedo launchers on it then load up the shuttle bay with generators to power torpedo launchers and its game over for any opposing ship
Point of order "many galaxy class ships were lost during the dominion war". We didn't see that onscreen. In fact we saw precisely one destroyed during the war. The Oddysey might be a debatable point but it was long before formal hostilities.
You would have thought with all of the possible threats in the Universe including the Romulans and Klingons, Starfleet would have built an actual Warship designed for nothing more than to defend/destroy objectives. Their one serious attempt was the flawed Defiant Class which they scrapped after only a few prototypes. Literally every other race in the Universe had ships designed specifically for war, even the friggin' Ferengi had Warships for God's sake. Given that, there were all of these races involved with Starfleet but yet, Starfleet was commonly getting outclassed in both shields and firepower by the Klingons and the Romulans. With all of the different races of people in Starfleet, they should have been the most powerful in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, hands down. To be honest, while the Klingons had great armament on their ships, their shields were their Achilles heal. But the Romulans had the best shields and armament on their ships. If the Romulans were as war-like as the Klingons, the Romulans would have controlled the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Someone needs to come in and really "clean up" the canon timelines of both Star Trek Universes. They are both a mess and with the Discovery, that surely didn't help them at all lol.
The excelsior looks like a min van to me. I never could shake that impression and it has made me dislike it. The back deck around the shuttle bay is elongated and gives me that impression. My top three in no order are soverign, ambassador, and the odyssey. I am interested in hearing others people top ships, top 3 or 5 or whatever if you cant make up your mind.
@@mrbreck1OK, I'm gonna have to go with The Refit as my all time favorite, and I really like the Enterprise(well all of them really) but the C stands out. I love how it bridges the gap between the B and D perfectly. However, I love the Stargazer/Hathaway and the Miranda class. Honestly, I like most starlet ships, but there are a few stinkers as well. Not too fond of the Voyager or Oberth class.
@@mrbreck1I'll b going w/the following: 1) Constitution class Refit is my #1 all time fave. She was sexy as Hell, & a force 2 b reckoned with (4 her time). 2) Galaxy class. She was op in many aspects, & a pretty good jack-of-all trades, multi role ship. 3) I know it's not a Federation ship, but I also like the Klingon Bird of Prey (TOS movie & TNG ships). Despite their flaws & drawbacks, I think they r pretty fierce looking ships. Everyone has their own opinions, but these r my top 3 fave Star Trek ships.
Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Voyager is basically the Honda Accord or Toyota Camry of Starfleet. It's midsize, solid, reliable, comfortable, and economic starship. Powerful is not a word I would use to describe Voyager. That being said, if anybody saw 7 of 9 driving around in a Voyager class they would want one too.
The Klingon Bird of Prey is the R2-D2 of the Star Trek universe: Always there, defying expectations, with plot armor so thick it even prevents aging. I was half expecting one to take out USS Discovery during the finale.
There have been many different Klingon birds of prey over the years: M'Chla class, K'vort-class, B'rel-class, D12 class & Class 5 (pressumably there would be a class 1 to 4 as well?) It would be more accurate to say that the bird of prey is a type of ship; a Corvette for example.
@@AccesslessExactly. They made scout class vessels in the BOP design that held only a dozen officers and men as well as larger battle ship size versions carrying much larger crew compliments. Basically an order to size type ship.( Interestingly enough, the Bird of prey in ST3 was originally a Romulan ship that the Klingons stole. Hence, the green color and bird on the underside, until the script just changed it to a Klingon vessel)
Great list! And I love the approach to it. A few things to point out. The Sovereign was not designed specifically to defeat the Borg or replace the Galaxy. It was more likely to replace the role of the aging Excelsior class, which had reached the end of its useful lifespan, as illustrated by the Dominion War. No Galaxy class was lost during the Dominion War. Something no other class can claim. The only loss was pre-war and after a superb, if ultimately fatal, accounting of it's self. The Galaxy, like the Excelsior before it, was designed to be completely modular. This would allow for immense longevity of the platform as it could easily be upgraded with the latest tech without serious retrofit of structural components and could have entire decks swapped out or around to accommodate the new tech.
No, the Sovereign was *definitely* designed to be anti-Borg ship, the removal of the neck compresses the profile and makes it both harder to hit and tightens the shield envelope. The Defiant was a hard hitting stop gap measure, but the Sovereign was the main bleeding edge advancement. The Type XII phasers, the Quantum Torpedo launchers ALL designed to be Starfleet's complete answer to The Borg. However, John Eaves did indeed design her to be the next in the Excelsior's lineage instead of a Next Generation Constitution or Galaxy. That's clear in the design of the Stardrive and the long nacelles. And you're damn right, the Galaxy wings went out to avenge the Odyssey and didn't lose any numbers.
could not agree more... I mean the thing took on 2 Akira's, a Defiant, and 3 D'deridex class Roman Warbirds. - with two EMHs (one obsolete and one 'beta') at the helm. It also disabled a Nebula for giggles.
To be fair, it was a one off vessel that only popped again when Voyager found its way home? It's got alot of reason to be on the list... But the lack of accolades in comparison to the other ships in Alpha and Beta canon make it an honourable mention. More data is required to flesh out it's strengths and weaknesses.
@GiantFreakinRobot I understand but I believe that the temporal war did happend as per discovery and enterprise and being it was on screen I would take that as canon
I think the appropriate line would be The Odyssey was the largest ship starfleet had produced up to that point. Not counting ships from the Kelvin Timeline (The Vengeance dwarfs an Odyssey) or from other non canon sources like Star Trek online. The Odyssey is the biggest seen on screen. Technically we only see the J's interior on Enterprise with a ship schematic on a bulkhead. We can infer how big it is but it's not directly shown. In STO, the J or Universe class is the biggest, even bigger than Vengeance.
I was going too make this comment but i figured the comments would be mostly yes. I however love the J and still hope too just see it on screen again. Till then Il just accidentally use it in missions and block all the cutscenes in STO then apologize when i realize im using the J
Whoa..that Excelcior would have been wiped out without the tracking torpedo Spock sent, too. Yet somehow it survived to the picard era. In the battles mentioned Enterprise refit wasn't just 'undermanded'. It had no crew at all, with half its main power out. The first hit came with shields down.
The vastness of space would lead to a one ship doing all things. It would be like an aircraft carrier with smaller ships that can act as a picket, fight or lifeboat. They would also be capable of multi tasking.
Re Star Trek, being Irish myself, the very idea of a Scotsman and an Irishman in space is something that I’m living for, as these are my people 🇮🇪☘️🏴❤️😍🙏
@@GiantFreakinRobotit was a surprise attack on a skeleton crew on a ship that was 20 years old that hadn’t been repaired from the battle damage against khan. You sir are no Trekkie
@@GiantFreakinRobot "The automation system is overloaded. I didnt expect us to take her into combat, ya know." - Captain Scott The Enterprise in this battle is barely functional. Its not really fair to hold it against her.
One of the few videos of this kind that I watched all the way through, seems well researched. The Excelsior class is my favourite design so I may be a tad biased, though it's tough to deny how long it's been in service and how good it's been.
@@GiantFreakinRobot I don't think it's fair to say the refit Constitution could barely defeat the Miranda. The Enterprise got hit with its shields down. It wasn't a fair fight.
I realy liked how u put skemstics of all the ships. A lot of people don’t do that a lot and for people like me who have issues visualizing 3d spaces it helps to see the ship skemstics to get a real feel for it
We are just nerds for MSDs. Some day I want to do a video just going over one really good MSD in detail… but that would probably cause a mass unsubscribe from the channel😆
@@GiantFreakinRobotthe defiant crew specifically said that if they didn't stop they would destroy the Lakota. The Lakota was trying to disable them from the start and barely survived. The Defiant was just trying to get by.
Both vessels refused to use quantum torpedos because they refused to absolutely destroy the other. But yeah the Lakota upgrades surprised the Defiant for sure.
@samuelowens3853 actually I think the Lakota was more surprised about the defiant having ablation armor too. Captain Benzine was pissed lol. But yes, both captain refused and that is what really made love that episode
What's with the Constitution Refit slander? Only reason Kruge's BoP wasn't instantly blown away was because the Enterprise had a crew of 5 and all the battle damage from the fight with Khan. Had the Enterprise been even at half strength, Kruge wouldn't have had a chance, and Kruge knew it (hence the "They outgun me 10-1!" comment, marking his shock that he wasn't dead). That would be like giving credit to a punk waiting outside the locker room of a HW boxer who had just went 12 brutal rounds to sucker punch them. I mean, really? And the Excelsior didn't do any better, despite being significantly newer and more advanced than the "-A", against Chang's BoP. Decent list otherwise, but man is that one a terrible take.
I started a project called Six Degrees of Galaxy Class: Firepower and shields. This text file compiled all dialogue and visual data to chart and relate every ship destroyed and especially vaporized by the Galaxy class. In TNG Enterprise destroyed as many as 14 ships. This is how I found just how weak Intrepid was. How Powerful Defiant was. Because the bird of Prey was such an ubiquitous opponent it became a primary common relational variable.
I wasnt aware the Ambassador's career was that short. But i kinda figured the excelsior would win out here it fits the saying "She's old, but she'll hold" really well.
Defiant : size matters not!!! Judge me by my size do you, hmmm?😂 It nearly tore itself apart in drills when engines were brought up to full power She may have flaws but she has teeth
I’d say the Ambassador started building in the mid 2320s. Figure 40 years between the launch of the major multi mission flagship classes : 2245 - Constitution 2285 - Excelsior 2325 - Ambassador 2360 - Galaxy 2400 - Odyssey
One other thought - not openly discussed outside fan circles, is the idea of blocks. Not all Excelsiors were the same; refits + block enhancements. Good discussion though - thank you!
"A few years" of connie refit dominance being around 20, from 2271 when Kirk went V'ger hunting, to around 2290 when the Excelsior was formally commissioned.
To answer this question, I think you could use a game that features as many of these ships as possible, equip them with the same or similar gear, and then test them against similar targets -- that is, if your focus is on military might, which Starfleet mostly was not. They had ships focused on exploration, science, patrol, diplomacy, defense, and projecting an image of power and strength, especially in the post-Wolf 359 era. You also have to contend with the fact that we have few or no canon feats for many Starfleet vessels, including the Universe- and Odyssey classes. Starfleet ships later specialized in specific fields and endeavours, so they would be great at one thing, and not great at others. And then there are the outliers among their class, which were different because of what they had gone through. _USS Excelsior_ was different from other Excelsiors of her time, and completely different from _USS Lakota_ or an Excelsior-II. _USS Voyager_ was a completely different ship when she returned to Earth than the standard Intrepid-class she started as. 'Power' differs based on what it is the ship is doing. Then there's the equipment installed. Warp drives, nacelles, power management systems, computers were all completely different in the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th centuries. Starfleet was comparatively outmoded until the later Ambassador or Narendra-classes. And the computers got overhauled again in the Intrepid's age. Starfleet's design doctrine also changed depending on what they needed, and what they had been through. The Connie and Sovereign were designed for different goals, yet the Sovy still refers back to the Connie in some ways. And again, if you give various ships the same level of tech for their equipment, you're going to find less differences in their performances. Only their unique points would let you tell them apart. Games like _STO_ let you choose your ship without any specific requirements because only their traits and special abilities are different. You can play all the missions and beat them with any of them.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Well, you still can. It's more than time they updated the engine, though. Summer event is on. You can get a T6 ship from there if you're fast.
Captain Erika Benteen was not an inexperienced captain when the Lokata was sent to stop the Defiant. She was a newly commissioned captain but was a highly skilled officer.
Its a nice video, id say the Prometheus, and the voyager refit, as well as the zheng he belong on this list over the galaxy class, the enterprise e and oddysey. These are all respectively stated as the most powerful ships of the time.
Second attempt to post this. I will posture the Constitution Class had the narrowest forward facing cross section of almost any ship, that was only surpassed by The NX Class, which in a straight fight put the Constitution Class above the Excelsior Class in every way except getting hit in the neck.... The Excelsior could survive such an attack where the Constitution, and we had several movies detailing this, that after the refit had their warp core shoved into the same non-protected neck right next to the torpedo bay, which made a glass canon of OMG proportions so much worse.... I also posture there were only 12 Constitutions in service at any given time, however they launched about a hundred of them, who kept getting KO'ed almost as fast as they were being produced. This is why Kirk and Pike are such legends. They survived commanding a flying coffin, and that remains notable....
I like the idea of surviving being the metric Kirk and Pike are measured on. Now I need Star Trek: Sucide Mission. Each season will tell the story of a different Connie, which will be destroyed in the last episode
🎉I hate to nit pick...but i think you are confusing the 23rd century with the 2300's and the 24th century with the 2400's. The excelsior was launched in the late 23rd century, or the late 2200's. The ones launched in the 24th century would be launched in the 2300's. This was a great video though! ❤
@@GiantFreakinRobot I didn't want to say anything at first because I didn't want to seem rude. But I figured a little constructive criticism wouldn't hurt. Honestly, you put out so much good info I can see how after a while that would slip. I sometimes do the same. Any reason the Intrepid class wasn't on here in some capacity? Voyager kicked ass a whole lotta times...though we really only have her as an example unless you count the Bellerophon.
If l was going to be in a war in the late 24th century against an enemy, the Sovereign class is the best. My favourite ship besides the Constitution refit.
i am surprised having watched the whole video that Defient Class wasnt in there as a power house.. it literally is a Starfleet Warship (unofficially) its actual class is an Escort ship. but was the first war ship starfleet put into service to combat the borg. with its over charges warp core and pulse phasers (that remind me of ED209 from RoboCop when fired) thats one TOUGH little ship.. certainly one of the most powerful for its era
@@Albee213 Simply put, Sisko bundled his crew into a ship that wasn't ready to be operated at full power. He essentially paraded the best warship Starfleet had, that couldn't fight to it's full potential because O'Brian hadn't had the time to shake it down in a shakedown cruise and fix all the problems... like the solution Sisko mentioned to the mirror universe O'Brian on how they stopped the ship shaking itself apart when run to full power. Personally, I think Sisko just wanted the ship he had a hand in designing out of Mothballs so it could be put through it's paces and hoped he wouldn't actually need to fight with it.
Defiant was massively overpowered for it's size, and had cool guns and armor. The first time they took that out on DS9, the paint over the NX designation was barely dry and they had to deal with a romulan working the cloak button. I still like the sovereign, needs the cool ablative armor future Janeway bright back, and a cleaning device.......I still don't know why that's such a big deal...
Funny thing is that by the time the Connie Refit was finally put out to pasture *for the most part*, Starfleet was balls deep into the Excelsior class and was debuting the Excelsior Refit with the Enterprise-B (remember that the TOS side of Star Trek Generations wasn't too far off after Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country). It makes you wonder: now that we retroactively know about the refit version that was the Enterprise-B, how many other Excelsior Refits were there by the time of the Ambassador class or even the TNG Era compared to regular vanilla Excelsiors?? 🤔🤔🤔
The Uss Zhukov was also an Ambassador-class starship that served during the Dominion war it also survived and can been seen in the ST Game BridgeCommaner 9:41 the Galaxy-class wasn't built as a warship until the Dominion war started then some 15 Galaxy-class Starships including the Uss Galaxy that was damaged in the First Battle of Chin'toka DS9 Episode Tears of the Prophets received the Venture Refit which included the same regenerative shields found on the Sovereign Class ablative Hall armor around critical points on the ships better maneuvering thrusters increased number of Phasers from 12-14 where the Phasers on a Standard Galaxy-class were type 10's 6 of the phasers on the Venture refit were type 12s the same kind used by the Sovereign Class and Prometheus class and thoes found on Federation Starbases hard hitting Phasers the ventral and dorsal array's were 12's as well as the 2 rear facing arrays on the back of the saucer section and 2 ontop of warp nacelles any of the other Galaxy class ships built during the war were built to thoes specs
USS Defiant pound for pound is #1 It takes down full sized starships with ease. Defiant vs Mirror Universe Negh'var. Defiant vs Lakota. Defiant vs Vor'cha. Defiant vs Lakota and Defiant vs Breen Intercepter. All of these battles can easily be searched on TH-cam. Defiant won the battle vs the Excelsior Lakota despite its enhancements.
The Galaxys biggest drawback was itself. Every week something put it on the brink of blowing up, setting adrift, or some other catastrophe. Let's not forget it was downed by a Bird of Prey as well.
I am reminded of one ship. The episode was in a hidden space with a race that held the " cure " for a race that was actually the same but wraughting. They had realy big/bad ships. Riker snuck away and came back with a big ship with 4 Warp Nacelles.. (2 up as usual and 2 down.) The start of the episode was notable as Data "goes bezerk and exposes" the federation spy'n on a race. Near or at the end of season 7. (or movie) The end battle was noteable as the Enterprise was confronting the big/bad/multi ships and not looking good..dun...dun....dun... and Riker came up from below with this 4 engine thing. booo-BLAM! Wonderfuly dramatic.. Hrmm.. might have been a movie. Insurrection maybe. Snooping... If its in Insurrection its not shown anywhere. I suspect keeping its revel quite for the finally as it was wonderfully dramatic.. A search for "4 Nacelle" brought up allot of floasam... well, like kids with "great ideas".
Probably get attacked for bringing up the reboots but the scimitar on Star Trek 2 into darkness was pretty badass .. it was larger faster and had more firepower, could fire while in warp .. I really wanted to see that large disrupter lazer fire 🔥 even if that meant the enterprise got blown up
I 100 % agree with you .. i don't care what people think of the reboot Scimtar was a beast and yes I too soooo wanted to see that huge disrupter get fired
Considering how big and complex those ships were, I'm surprised they developed new models so fast (just think how long ships and planes remain in service nowadays).
In that Excelsior class vs. Defiant battle, the Defiant did not go into the battle seeking to destroy the other ship. If Worf decided to wage an all-out, balls to the wall fight from the onset of that battle, the Lakota would have been space debris.
Neither did the Lakota. Nothing were pulling their punches, so pointing out that Defiant was without stating tbe same for Lakota is frankly dishonest. Feact of the matter is that both were quite capable of destroying the other.
@@bairdrew I have to disagree. The Lakota fired four times before the Defiant fought back. Worf never went into that battle thinking that he would have to fight the Lakota. I just watched the clip again. Neither ship used their full compliment of weapons though, to be fair. That much is clear.
@majorsynthqed7374 for some reason autocorrect changed "both" to "nothing" which quite drastically changes what I was saying in that sentence. Basically I agree that neither ship was trying particularly hard to defeat the other.
At 4:35, the Enterprise-J is the largest ship they ever built, but only shown for a brief moment during the Enterprise series. It is part of canon, but only referenced once, and no shows have been made about the Star Trek future using this ship. Thus, very little, if anything is known about it.
Discovery is so massively OP, in the show they have it single handedly responsible for winning the war with the Klingons. After jumping 800 years into the future, it is still OP, and the future federation reverse engineered it to improve their fleet. I believe Discovery so so massively over powered it ruined continuity.
@@rodneytrotter3725 Strange New Worlds, Academy, and Philippa Georgiou's future Section 31 movie are all spin offs from Discovery. It really sucks, but the show runners appear to consider it canon.
Think some conclusions weren't entirely based on accuracy. The Lakota was specifically upgraded and O'Brien's reaction inferred that this not not your typical Excelsior. The Defiant also falls in to this trap in the same episode having modifications that weren't known to Starfleet, however, there was only one ship of it's type so we don't know what a typical Defiant class would have. Pretty much every thing else made sense but you did slip up a few times.
You really give the Connie a worf effect you know? The point is she IS that powerful, but gets crippled every time, so ingenuity using what’s left is what drives the story, and helps prevent ridiculous power creep like what happened in Star Trek Nemesis. Honestly I feel it forces better stories since it’s more about outfoxing the enemy using intelligent and combined tactics of the crew working together, then just more Dakka.
The excelsior's "transwarp" did work out was just a significantly faster warp drive, remember when sulu says come on come on and the helsman says that she'll fly apart? He wasn't kidding they're flying at speeds pushing nearly warp 9 (24th century scale of course) and with the advent of a faster warp drive it just didn't make sense to say warp 23 so they rescaled it to match the faster speeds in the late 23rd to early 24th century.
What about ... the customized version of the Enterprise D that Admiral Riker showed up with in (I think) "All Good Things"? It had a third warp nacelle, a cloaking device, and some big-ass phaser cannon that ran the full length of the saucer section, and which cut a hostile Klingon ship in half with one shot. [edit - okay, three shots] Or are we not counting alternate reality ships?
The Dreadnought which looked like a bigger Constitution Class with 3 warp engines. It was extremely powerful. Read the novel DREADNOUGHT by Diane Carey.
Connie refit survived a V'ger blast when Klingon comparable ships couldn't. The fight with the Reliant and first Bird of Prey were without shields. Reliant hit it with a sneak attack and the ship wasn't fully repaired against the Bird of Prey. Enterprise-A was a Connie refit tech up against a prototype Bird of Prey at the end of its life. Excelsior refit was a great mod (like Enterprise A and Lakota).
I’m not arguing that the Connie refit wasn’t badass. It had its moments or it would not be on the list at all. But it wasn’t as far beyond the other ships of its era as the ships higher on the list.
@@GiantFreakinRobot However, the Klingon captain in Star Trek 3 was also confused, why the Enterprise didn't just finish them off. He knew that the Constitution class was a much more powerful ship. The only reason the Constitution class lost was because it simply wasn't able to take another fight because of the battle against Kahn without repairs. Even the most powerful ship can lose to a small fighter if it can't defend itself properly.
In the beginning of the first movie, the Dreadnaught Entente is mentioned in a communication call, but never shown. Assuming it was modernized, it would have certainly been more capable than the Constitution class.
The Constitution class refit vs Klingon Bird of Prey is quite unfair example of how the refit was underpowered, or whatever. A Bird of Prey is smaller, more maneuverable, has cloaking tech and an experienced war hardened crew. Try to fight something you can't see most the time with the crew steeled with countless of fighting experiences like the Klingons in a ship, that barely came out of a space dock. You would struggle, like they did. When you try to kill an annoying fly with the insect squatter (or whatever it's called, English isn't my first language), you fail a few times. And the fly can't even turn invisible, like the Bird of Prey can. So the refit might be powerful and whatnot, but a Bird of Prey is still a hard opponent, despite its size. It utilizes different tactics, that suit their needs and can turn the fight in their favor quickly. So that example isn't the best to show, how powerful, or whatever the Constitution refit really was. I'm pretty sure some other Federation ships would also struggle against a Bird of Prey, unless you pick up a similar class, comparable in size and maneuverability to the BoP. It would still have some advantages though (cloaking, more experienced crew, I doubt there were crews in the Starfleet, that could match the Klingons in warfare). So yea, that's that.
Another way to look at the rankings, which ship would you want to command? I would take the Enterprise D Galaxy, B Excelsior, A Constitution (Refit), Nebula, Sovereign, Intrepid, Ambassador, Miranda in that order. Just due to accommodations, abilities, general usefulness, and personal bias. I grew up with ToS movies (watched in the theatres) but the Galaxy was just a beast when it was premiered. (Not going to lie, the holodecks are a feature that cant be ignored lol) Seeing the Enterprise D brought back by Jordi in Picard season 3 damn near brought a tear to my eye seeing the old girl back in the fray.
Also a Galaxy Wing wasn't JUST Galaxies, they were more valuable being used like US Navy carrier battle groups: A carrier surrounded by support ships with different roles. Eight carriers sounds like quite the show of force but without dedicated AA ships, minesweepers, sub hunters, provisions and fuel ships, etc., they're quite vulnerable and overspecialized. The Galaxy in DS9 would have been surrounded by Akiras, Mirandas, Excelsiors, all varieties of current Starfleet ships at the time. 3-5 of those battle groups? You got a fight on your hands. Of course that all goes to shit immediately, they say a plan only survives the first five minutes of its life in combat.
So they Odyssey class is as big as a Romulan Warbird, it didn't look that big on screen, that surprises me. As for the Excelsior class, there were different versions weren't there? I doubt a Kirk era version could have slapped the NX Defiant class around and lived to boast about it like the Lakota did.
The Ambassador was more akin to the Tiger tank, very powerful, very advanced but that was the issue, it was too tricky to maintain well or operate with peak efficiency, it was ahead of it's time but that was also where it fell down some times, would be like Independence day where we were trying to fly the alien ship, it was a clunky and awkward adventure which ended in a crash after a successful mission, 20 years later it was retrofitted to a good fighter fleet, the Ambassador/Galaxy story is similar to this as it was perfecting any of the Ambassador flaws.
I do not know if these specs are considered cannon or not, but the NCC1701-J was supposed to be almost two miles in length. Or 3.2 KM. A Borg cube for comparison is 3kmsq. Far more mass, but not as wide in any direction.
Small issue, but NX isn’t a “class” of ship like constitution or galaxy etc, NX ships are generally experimental or prototypes, like the NX-01 enterprise or NX -02 Columbia, or the “transwarp” USS Excelsior NX-2000, all the way through to TNG/DS9 era with the USS Defiant NX-74205 Not sure why, but that bugged me far more than it should have 😅
You should see Ashtar Command presently 72,000 miles in orbit around the Earth. Its the size of a small city. Its coming a lot closer in Phase 3 and will drop its cloak in early 2025. We will start to see the scout ships soon. I can't wait 😊
keeping it naval, the Enterprizes were frequently put in the equivalent of a nuclear carrier flagship vessel. Only a few NX, only a few Constitution, Ambassador and 1st block of Galaxy. Cutting edge ships of their era a couple of times they ended up in a workhorse hull like the Excalibur matching up with a WW2 fletcher or Cold War Arleigh Burke and getting "long toothed" before finally getting replaced. The 1st block Galaxies were exploratory peacetime vessels, but after a couple encounters with Borg and Dominion, they were tightened up. They lost the bells and whistles and became more like the nuclear carriers of the cold war. Big ships with heavy power projection that served as fleet command vessels. I expect, if the Enterprize C hadn't crashed, that it would have been replaced by a second block Galaxy built with a combat tested, and resilient, spaceframe. The warpcore and computer issues resolved and a lot of the cruise ship feel burned away due to the Dominion war. A long endurance ship-yes, but one with significant adjustments into a more organized and martial mindset. The Sovreign was most decidedly designed as a slugger or tactical vessel a combat cruiser with exploration capabilities and very little diplomatic or first contact funtion like the second flight Galaxies would still have been equipped with being designed as deep explorers first. I think the Sovreign is starfleets recognition of a requirement for a kick ass capiitol combat ship that more aggressive races could respect. The Odyssey would be the ship built after all the lessons learned from Voyager, Dominion, and Borg were integrated and mastered and used to build a ship like the Constitution Class again. A class of a few big cutting edge generalists that could win an occaisional bare knuckle fight or bar brawl in a rowdy sector. I saw the Mirandas, Nebulas, and similar "Close Coupled" ships as the workhorses of the fleet running the vaccines, triticale, or evacuation efforts. Made from already designed parts in a "warp efficient enough" form factor with components that would be mass producible from the bleeding edge flagship designs.
Great video, as are the rest of them. Question, am I right in interpreting you are only including production ships within the original timeline? The USS Vengeance would surely be included even though it had a very short lifespan!
Yes they are all beautiful ships in their own Era of designs, time of service star trek has some great ships. The battle star Galactica ships were cool to the 70's TV show .
The constitution class starship was vicious with the M5 computer tie in. Then again, any starship would have been invincible with the M5... until they met the Borg. But, maybe the M5 could beat the Borg single handedly.
Depends on that Bird of Prey...Kvort or Brell? The former is a battlecruiser comparable in size and power to that Refit Connie. The latter is a smaller raiding ship, the one described in the vid and a ship that is notorious for punching way above its weight..
Would have liked to know where the Dreadnought class from StarTrek into Darkness would sit in this list. Understandably that was the Kelvin timeline and may not have been in scope of this analysis. Appreciate any thoughts around this.
Right it’s alt universe so not included. But if I was including it, not sure where I would put it. Its an oddball one off built in a sort of half-assed way in secret. Its Chief ability is being big. And in the end, it lost.
The Constitution class refit was taken out by a bird of prey due to the electrical short in the automation which left the ship helpless. This is true, although it only had 6 crew members if I remember correctly, at the time. But you seem to have forgotten that the Galaxy class with a full crew was taken out by an antique bird of prey. The Galaxy class did have very good fire power and excellent shields, but it was a paper tiger. If you could get past it's shields, it was easy prey as it couldn't take a hit without shields. Although it isn't relevant to this list, I have always hated the way it looked. To me it looked like it belonged on a space version of the love boat, not like a ship that was expected to be able to fight. At least that does explain why it couldn't take a hit without shields. On the other hand the Constitution was made with the idea of having to be able to handle it's self without help. And the way it looks shows it. It looks like it can take a hit and was made to be maneuverable. It had a better turning radios than any comparable ship of the time. It was the ship that saved the federation in the Klingon war. Although I do believe that the Constitution should be higher on the list, I must admit that you done a much better job on this list than I would have myself. Well done!!
Purely a personal opinion, but the "All or Nothing" armour design of the Galaxy Class made sense. The challenge is mass. Even with the very loose adherence to physics in Star Trek, the Galaxy (and Nebula class), would have been ungodly heavy. As a primarily deep space explorer and first responder to emergencies, her monstrous engines were already an essential requirement for speed. It's logical to forgo the mass of physical defenses in exchange for maneuverability (which would already be a problem in a ship that size). Despite their need to create tension for exciting TV, Enterprise D's deflectors should have been able to tank far mor than what was depicted. When you add those phaser banks that could level cities... As for the Constitution Class her hull was built before the defector screens were even a standard part of the loadout, Enterprise Refit possibly having one of the earliest setups, at least that's how it appeared to me in The Motion Picture when they first encountered V'Ger.
@@andytol1976 First of all, don't worry about me getting offended just because you have a different opinion. That is how we should learn. ;-}} I would say that your reasoning for the lack of armor would make since if it was made as one solid ship, although I would still disagree with it as a ship that size will never be hard to hit. But with it being made to separate, that should not be a problem. I know that for budget reasons in the show they didn't use that ability. But it is still a part of the ship. In my opinion what they should have done with the Galaxy design was to armor everything except the saucer section. Then when they separated, it would have been a deadly ship. Regarding the Constitution class ship. It was originally made as a combat ship, although not a dedicated war ship. That was a large part of it's concept. And it always had shields. They just got an upgrade to them in the movie. One of the big advantages of the Constitution was that it was more maneuverable than it's Klingon counterpart.
Let's just say it as it is. The writers had to think of something to get rid of the Enterprise D to make room for a starship that fits better for the movies. :(
Considering the delta quadrant had species with more powerful ship I would rank Voyager second to the Defiant even if she was a battleship with stronger shields photon torpedo spread and movement,,,Janeway was an underrated captain with vast knowledge of her shipp
There were a lot of Starfleet ship designs and you could never cover them all but I was surprised the Intrepid class didn't make the list. There was a whole series written around one.
@@GiantFreakinRobot We rank the top 7 most powerful ships in the entire Star Trek franchise, including Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Picard, and every show and movie set in the Federation's fictional universe. Make up your mind
(Canon) only 1 Galaxy class was lost against the Dominion. USS Odyssey. In total, 3 Galaxy have been lost, 1 rebuilt. Enterprise D, Yamato, Odyssey. Ent-D rebuilt. So total: 2 lost Galaxy class. No Galaxy class has been lost in fair combat. Both the ent D and Odyssey had their shields bypassed. Even then, the Dominion with 3 warships were unable to defeat the Odyssey. They chose to ram its engineering section. Yamato computer was overwritten by an iconian probe and self destructed. The Ent won the engagement, but was 50% destroyed only losing her stardrive.
We may not have seen them blow up on screen but we saw dozens of them in fleet action on DS9 taking heavy damage and then shortly after seeing that Sisko would say that most of the fleet was destroyed… so it’s hard to think at least some weren’t blown up.
@@GiantFreakinRobot It would only be an assumption, but a fair one. If memory serves, the only damage a Galaxy class was shown to have sustained was the first battle for Chin'toka. Damage from the orbital weapon visually was superficial.
I watch a lot of these list, and yours is one that isn't biased for hero ships and well thought out. The top dog just happens to be my favorite ship for Starfleet, and the way you placed it and the others was really good. Might disagree with one or two's posistion on here, but they wouldn't be switched around hardly at all. You are really good at the technical ideology of stuff and look forward to other videos.
Thank you so much! Really means a lot.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Is bias is confusing the fact that several of those ships were better in every way, but then for some weird delusional reasons he says that it was a jack of all trades and wasn't better at anything. He couldn't say which ship was better.
@@GiantFreakinRobotyou say galaxy was designed to do things a soveriegn can't, but never tell us what those things are. Smh this list is crap you could take a constitution class weld 20 or 30 torpedo launchers on it then load up the shuttle bay with generators to power torpedo launchers and its game over for any opposing ship
Point of order "many galaxy class ships were lost during the dominion war".
We didn't see that onscreen. In fact we saw precisely one destroyed during the war. The Oddysey might be a debatable point but it was long before formal hostilities.
The Excelsior class for the Federation is equivalent to the B-52 of the USAF with it’s longevity amongst more technologically advanced ships/planes
That’s an interesting analogy. It works!
I was going to make the same comparison
Best analogy I’ve seen to date, but they’ll probably refit the BUFF to be an interstellar bomber.
Roger that!
😆
You would have thought with all of the possible threats in the Universe including the Romulans and Klingons, Starfleet would have built an actual Warship designed for nothing more than to defend/destroy objectives. Their one serious attempt was the flawed Defiant Class which they scrapped after only a few prototypes.
Literally every other race in the Universe had ships designed specifically for war, even the friggin' Ferengi had Warships for God's sake.
Given that, there were all of these races involved with Starfleet but yet, Starfleet was commonly getting outclassed in both shields and firepower by the Klingons and the Romulans. With all of the different races of people in Starfleet, they should have been the most powerful in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, hands down.
To be honest, while the Klingons had great armament on their ships, their shields were their Achilles heal. But the Romulans had the best shields and armament on their ships. If the Romulans were as war-like as the Klingons, the Romulans would have controlled the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
Someone needs to come in and really "clean up" the canon timelines of both Star Trek Universes. They are both a mess and with the Discovery, that surely didn't help them at all lol.
The Enterprise B variant of the Excelsior is one of my favorite designs, such simple changes to the original but it looks so much better.
I agree. And they literally just did it to have a piece to blow off, but it looks great!
The excelsior looks like a min van to me. I never could shake that impression and it has made me dislike it. The back deck around the shuttle bay is elongated and gives me that impression. My top three in no order are soverign, ambassador, and the odyssey. I am interested in hearing others people top ships, top 3 or 5 or whatever if you cant make up your mind.
@@mrbreck1OK, I'm gonna have to go with The Refit as my all time favorite, and I really like the Enterprise(well all of them really) but the C stands out. I love how it bridges the gap between the B and D perfectly. However, I love the Stargazer/Hathaway and the Miranda class. Honestly, I like most starlet ships, but there are a few stinkers as well. Not too fond of the Voyager or Oberth class.
@@mrbreck1I'll b going w/the following:
1) Constitution class Refit is my #1 all time fave. She was sexy as Hell, & a force 2 b reckoned with (4 her time).
2) Galaxy class. She was op in many aspects, & a pretty good jack-of-all trades, multi role ship.
3) I know it's not a Federation ship, but I also like the Klingon Bird of Prey (TOS movie & TNG ships). Despite their flaws & drawbacks, I think they r pretty fierce looking ships.
Everyone has their own opinions, but these r my top 3 fave Star Trek ships.
Scotty is going to have a seriously major headache when he regains conscious.
Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Bonk.
Nah he happily retired.
Just wait until he finds out that NCC-1701 and "bloody -A, -B, -C, and -D" (to say nothing of -E) were included in this. Oy vey...
What about Voyager? It single handedly kicked all ships in the Delta quadrant's asses...
Voyager is basically the Honda Accord or Toyota Camry of Starfleet. It's midsize, solid, reliable, comfortable, and economic starship. Powerful is not a word I would use to describe Voyager. That being said, if anybody saw 7 of 9 driving around in a Voyager class they would want one too.
The Klingon Bird of Prey is the R2-D2 of the Star Trek universe:
Always there, defying expectations, with plot armor so thick it even prevents aging.
I was half expecting one to take out USS Discovery during the finale.
Love the comparison. Very true
Plot armor so thick! Lol I love it.
A bird of prey inexplicably destroying Discovery sounds lovely.
There have been many different Klingon birds of prey over the years:
M'Chla class, K'vort-class, B'rel-class, D12 class & Class 5 (pressumably there would be a class 1 to 4 as well?)
It would be more accurate to say that the bird of prey is a type of ship; a Corvette for example.
@@AccesslessExactly. They made scout class vessels in the BOP design that held only a dozen officers and men as well as larger battle ship size versions carrying much larger crew compliments. Basically an order to size type ship.( Interestingly enough, the Bird of prey in ST3 was originally a Romulan ship that the Klingons stole. Hence, the green color and bird on the underside, until the script just changed it to a Klingon vessel)
8:05 The Galaxy took all the lessons learned in the design of the Ambassador Class, and went: "This would make a truly excellent Hotel in Space."
Yeah, exactly!!!!!
Great list! And I love the approach to it.
A few things to point out.
The Sovereign was not designed specifically to defeat the Borg or replace the Galaxy. It was more likely to replace the role of the aging Excelsior class, which had reached the end of its useful lifespan, as illustrated by the Dominion War.
No Galaxy class was lost during the Dominion War. Something no other class can claim. The only loss was pre-war and after a superb, if ultimately fatal, accounting of it's self.
The Galaxy, like the Excelsior before it, was designed to be completely modular. This would allow for immense longevity of the platform as it could easily be upgraded with the latest tech without serious retrofit of structural components and could have entire decks swapped out or around to accommodate the new tech.
The wartime refits Galaxy class ships were ludicrous. Crammed full of shield generators and phaser strips
No, the Sovereign was *definitely* designed to be anti-Borg ship, the removal of the neck compresses the profile and makes it both harder to hit and tightens the shield envelope. The Defiant was a hard hitting stop gap measure, but the Sovereign was the main bleeding edge advancement. The Type XII phasers, the Quantum Torpedo launchers ALL designed to be Starfleet's complete answer to The Borg. However, John Eaves did indeed design her to be the next in the Excelsior's lineage instead of a Next Generation Constitution or Galaxy. That's clear in the design of the Stardrive and the long nacelles.
And you're damn right, the Galaxy wings went out to avenge the Odyssey and didn't lose any numbers.
There's an elephant in the room... the Prometheus-class.
could not agree more... I mean the thing took on 2 Akira's, a Defiant, and 3 D'deridex class Roman Warbirds. - with two EMHs (one obsolete and one 'beta') at the helm. It also disabled a Nebula for giggles.
Yeah, that multi-vector mode.
To be fair, it was a one off vessel that only popped again when Voyager found its way home?
It's got alot of reason to be on the list... But the lack of accolades in comparison to the other ships in Alpha and Beta canon make it an honourable mention. More data is required to flesh out it's strengths and weaknesses.
@@davfree9732similar to the dreadnaught class. One off and didn’t exactly last long
@@davfree9732It did get a third mention, it's listed with the 'rescue' fleet in Star Trek: Nemesis 😁
I wanted to hear more about the Defiant.
I love the galaxy class. In Picard season 3. I got pretty excited when they took it out of the museum..NCC 701 D ❤❤❤❤
Very good description of the refit constitution class. Unlike most TH-camrs, you put them in perfect context..
"Odyssey is the biggest ship ever by startfleet" Enterprise J: am I a joke to you 😂
Enterprise J was a hypothetical future. We don’t know if it will ever come to pass.
@GiantFreakinRobot I understand but I believe that the temporal war did happend as per discovery and enterprise and being it was on screen I would take that as canon
I think the appropriate line would be The Odyssey was the largest ship starfleet had produced up to that point.
Not counting ships from the Kelvin Timeline (The Vengeance dwarfs an Odyssey) or from other non canon sources like Star Trek online. The Odyssey is the biggest seen on screen. Technically we only see the J's interior on Enterprise with a ship schematic on a bulkhead. We can infer how big it is but it's not directly shown. In STO, the J or Universe class is the biggest, even bigger than Vengeance.
I was going too make this comment but i figured the comments would be mostly yes. I however love the J and still hope too just see it on screen again. Till then Il just accidentally use it in missions and block all the cutscenes in STO then apologize when i realize im using the J
@@hybridtmaybe it did, but it’s not canon that it did
Whoa..that Excelcior would have been wiped out without the tracking torpedo Spock sent, too. Yet somehow it survived to the picard era. In the battles mentioned Enterprise refit wasn't just 'undermanded'. It had no crew at all, with half its main power out. The first hit came with shields down.
The vastness of space would lead to a one ship doing all things. It would be like an aircraft carrier with smaller ships that can act as a picket, fight or lifeboat. They would also be capable of multi tasking.
What about the Inquiry class, Riker stated it's the biggest, fastest and most powerful ship Starfleet ever produced. Made the Tal Shiar run away.
The less said about anything to do with the first two terrible seasons of Picard, the better.
My fav was the Akira class, Starfleet's battle boat from hell! It just never got the screen time outside of the video games. 😈
Great ship. But inferior to the Sovereign
It got a lot during #Startrekfirstcontact and the Dominion War on #DS9
Re Star Trek, being Irish myself, the very idea of a Scotsman and an Irishman in space is something that I’m living for, as these are my people 🇮🇪☘️🏴❤️😍🙏
Yeah, that is awesome. *salutes*
The Connie refit was outmatched by the Bird of Prey? The BoP commander said, and I quote, "They outgun us 3 to 1!"
And yet
@@GiantFreakinRobotit was a surprise attack on a skeleton crew on a ship that was 20 years old that hadn’t been repaired from the battle damage against khan. You sir are no Trekkie
@@GiantFreakinRobot
"The automation system is overloaded. I didnt expect us to take her into combat, ya know."
- Captain Scott
The Enterprise in this battle is barely functional. Its not really fair to hold it against her.
@@issamkholoud2009 Be nice
@@Zoroasterisk he said “and yet” he was being condescending
One of the few videos of this kind that I watched all the way through, seems well researched. The Excelsior class is my favourite design so I may be a tad biased, though it's tough to deny how long it's been in service and how good it's been.
Thanks. Genuinely appreciate it. We take our ships seriously.
@@GiantFreakinRobot I don't think it's fair to say the refit Constitution could barely defeat the Miranda. The Enterprise got hit with its shields down. It wasn't a fair fight.
I realy liked how u put skemstics of all the ships. A lot of people don’t do that a lot and for people like me who have issues visualizing 3d spaces it helps to see the ship skemstics to get a real feel for it
We are just nerds for MSDs. Some day I want to do a video just going over one really good MSD in detail… but that would probably cause a mass unsubscribe from the channel😆
@@GiantFreakinRobot or a mass subscribe for other nerds like myself
One man’s trash is another’s treasure
If I remember correctly the Defiant was pulling its punches vs the Lakota
A bit. Lakota gave them trouble though and they had to stop
@@GiantFreakinRobotthe defiant crew specifically said that if they didn't stop they would destroy the Lakota. The Lakota was trying to disable them from the start and barely survived. The Defiant was just trying to get by.
You were correct, because of sisko’s unwillingness to fire on another starfleet vessel. He considered it an act of treason
Both vessels refused to use quantum torpedos because they refused to absolutely destroy the other. But yeah the Lakota upgrades surprised the Defiant for sure.
@samuelowens3853 actually I think the Lakota was more surprised about the defiant having ablation armor too. Captain Benzine was pissed lol. But yes, both captain refused and that is what really made love that episode
What's with the Constitution Refit slander? Only reason Kruge's BoP wasn't instantly blown away was because the Enterprise had a crew of 5 and all the battle damage from the fight with Khan. Had the Enterprise been even at half strength, Kruge wouldn't have had a chance, and Kruge knew it (hence the "They outgun me 10-1!" comment, marking his shock that he wasn't dead).
That would be like giving credit to a punk waiting outside the locker room of a HW boxer who had just went 12 brutal rounds to sucker punch them.
I mean, really?
And the Excelsior didn't do any better, despite being significantly newer and more advanced than the "-A", against Chang's BoP.
Decent list otherwise, but man is that one a terrible take.
I started a project called Six Degrees of Galaxy Class: Firepower and shields. This text file compiled all dialogue and visual data to chart and relate every ship destroyed and especially vaporized by the Galaxy class. In TNG Enterprise destroyed as many as 14 ships.
This is how I found just how weak Intrepid was. How Powerful Defiant was.
Because the bird of Prey was such an ubiquitous opponent it became a primary common relational variable.
I find it amazing that post-scarcity, post-currency, and people doing whatever, they still have problems with resources and production.
I think it's due to rare elements that require incredibly complex production processes. You cannot replicate everything in Star Trek.
I wasnt aware the Ambassador's career was that short. But i kinda figured the excelsior would win out here it fits the saying "She's old, but she'll hold" really well.
the intrepid class ships with upgrades was the best starfleet design ever
You mean with Borg tech?
Gel packs. Ablative armor. #Janeway nuff said
Defiant : size matters not!!! Judge me by my size do you, hmmm?😂
It nearly tore itself apart in drills when engines were brought up to full power
She may have flaws but she has teeth
Totally missed the Prometheus Class that was able to take on a Romulan Warbird and destroy it by itself.
I’d say the Ambassador started building in the mid 2320s.
Figure 40 years between the launch of the major multi mission flagship classes :
2245 - Constitution
2285 - Excelsior
2325 - Ambassador
2360 - Galaxy
2400 - Odyssey
Perfect video for Friday morning thank you so much
Excellent logic for ranking ships
Perfect comment to start a Friday morning! Glad you liked it!
One other thought - not openly discussed outside fan circles, is the idea of blocks. Not all Excelsiors were the same; refits + block enhancements. Good discussion though - thank you!
You’re welcome!
"A few years" of connie refit dominance being around 20, from 2271 when Kirk went V'ger hunting, to around 2290 when the Excelsior was formally commissioned.
To answer this question, I think you could use a game that features as many of these ships as possible, equip them with the same or similar gear, and then test them against similar targets -- that is, if your focus is on military might, which Starfleet mostly was not. They had ships focused on exploration, science, patrol, diplomacy, defense, and projecting an image of power and strength, especially in the post-Wolf 359 era. You also have to contend with the fact that we have few or no canon feats for many Starfleet vessels, including the Universe- and Odyssey classes. Starfleet ships later specialized in specific fields and endeavours, so they would be great at one thing, and not great at others.
And then there are the outliers among their class, which were different because of what they had gone through. _USS Excelsior_ was different from other Excelsiors of her time, and completely different from _USS Lakota_ or an Excelsior-II. _USS Voyager_ was a completely different ship when she returned to Earth than the standard Intrepid-class she started as. 'Power' differs based on what it is the ship is doing.
Then there's the equipment installed. Warp drives, nacelles, power management systems, computers were all completely different in the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th centuries. Starfleet was comparatively outmoded until the later Ambassador or Narendra-classes. And the computers got overhauled again in the Intrepid's age. Starfleet's design doctrine also changed depending on what they needed, and what they had been through. The Connie and Sovereign were designed for different goals, yet the Sovy still refers back to the Connie in some ways.
And again, if you give various ships the same level of tech for their equipment, you're going to find less differences in their performances. Only their unique points would let you tell them apart. Games like _STO_ let you choose your ship without any specific requirements because only their traits and special abilities are different. You can play all the missions and beat them with any of them.
I would play the heck out of that game.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Well, you still can. It's more than time they updated the engine, though. Summer event is on. You can get a T6 ship from there if you're fast.
*cough CREW
Captain Erika Benteen was not an inexperienced captain when the Lokata was sent to stop the Defiant. She was a newly commissioned captain but was a highly skilled officer.
But inexperienced as a Captain
The Defiant wasn't trying to kill them or that would have been a short fight. That part is the only problem I have with this list good work.
Such a well done video ❤❤❤🎉
Its a nice video, id say the Prometheus, and the voyager refit, as well as the zheng he belong on this list over the galaxy class, the enterprise e and oddysey. These are all respectively stated as the most powerful ships of the time.
Tank you for your feedback and thanks for the compliment. Thoes are all fantastic starships and we definitely considered them.
the excellsior class was in service the the longest if i recall, up to star trek picard
I think so......
great video 😊 my fav is always gonna be that darn galaxy class. can't help it
Thanks! If we are talking favorites, mine is always going to be the Refit.
The bulk of Starfleet’s ships were mainly used for exploring not war
Not during the Dominion War.
The Dominion War lasted 2 years@@GiantFreakinRobot
Good point. Only #Sovereign #Prometheus #Intrepid #Akira and #Defiant classes were built for combat.
Excelsior doesn't get the respect it deserves, IMO.
Second attempt to post this. I will posture the Constitution Class had the narrowest forward facing cross section of almost any ship, that was only surpassed by The NX Class, which in a straight fight put the Constitution Class above the Excelsior Class in every way except getting hit in the neck.... The Excelsior could survive such an attack where the Constitution, and we had several movies detailing this, that after the refit had their warp core shoved into the same non-protected neck right next to the torpedo bay, which made a glass canon of OMG proportions so much worse.... I also posture there were only 12 Constitutions in service at any given time, however they launched about a hundred of them, who kept getting KO'ed almost as fast as they were being produced. This is why Kirk and Pike are such legends. They survived commanding a flying coffin, and that remains notable....
I like the idea of surviving being the metric Kirk and Pike are measured on.
Now I need Star Trek: Sucide Mission. Each season will tell the story of a different Connie, which will be destroyed in the last episode
@@GiantFreakinRobot Battlestar Constitution. LOL
Cool vid mate.
New subscriber.
Thanks!
Thanks for the sub!
@@GiantFreakinRobot, Thanks for the cool content!
4:41, sorry to tell you this but the Enterprise J is cannon even though it is part of a future time line. It is the biggest Federation ship
🎉I hate to nit pick...but i think you are confusing the 23rd century with the 2300's and the 24th century with the 2400's. The excelsior was launched in the late 23rd century, or the late 2200's. The ones launched in the 24th century would be launched in the 2300's. This was a great video though! ❤
Thanks for the kind words. You may be right on the dates!
@@GiantFreakinRobot I didn't want to say anything at first because I didn't want to seem rude. But I figured a little constructive criticism wouldn't hurt. Honestly, you put out so much good info I can see how after a while that would slip. I sometimes do the same. Any reason the Intrepid class wasn't on here in some capacity? Voyager kicked ass a whole lotta times...though we really only have her as an example unless you count the Bellerophon.
Ya that threw me off.
If l was going to be in a war in the late 24th century against an enemy, the Sovereign class is the best. My favourite ship besides the Constitution refit.
Vengeance class.😮
The bird of prey with a dozen crew is the B'Rel and the K'Vort class has a crew of around 50
and the Kvort is like 230m long. But its weapons stayed proportional...so VERY strong distruptors.
Yes they were pretty slapdash with it.
i am surprised having watched the whole video that Defient Class wasnt in there as a power house.. it literally is a Starfleet Warship (unofficially) its actual class is an Escort ship. but was the first war ship starfleet put into service to combat the borg. with its over charges warp core and pulse phasers (that remind me of ED209 from RoboCop when fired) thats one TOUGH little ship.. certainly one of the most powerful for its era
The Defiant is awesome but what kills me is that it was almost destroyed the first time they used it on DS9. Always baffled me.
@@Albee213 Simply put, Sisko bundled his crew into a ship that wasn't ready to be operated at full power. He essentially paraded the best warship Starfleet had, that couldn't fight to it's full potential because O'Brian hadn't had the time to shake it down in a shakedown cruise and fix all the problems... like the solution Sisko mentioned to the mirror universe O'Brian on how they stopped the ship shaking itself apart when run to full power.
Personally, I think Sisko just wanted the ship he had a hand in designing out of Mothballs so it could be put through it's paces and hoped he wouldn't actually need to fight with it.
Defiant was massively overpowered for it's size, and had cool guns and armor. The first time they took that out on DS9, the paint over the NX designation was barely dry and they had to deal with a romulan working the cloak button. I still like the sovereign, needs the cool ablative armor future Janeway bright back, and a cleaning device.......I still don't know why that's such a big deal...
Funny thing is that by the time the Connie Refit was finally put out to pasture *for the most part*, Starfleet was balls deep into the Excelsior class and was debuting the Excelsior Refit with the Enterprise-B (remember that the TOS side of Star Trek Generations wasn't too far off after Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country).
It makes you wonder: now that we retroactively know about the refit version that was the Enterprise-B, how many other Excelsior Refits were there by the time of the Ambassador class or even the TNG Era compared to regular vanilla Excelsiors?? 🤔🤔🤔
The Uss Zhukov was also an Ambassador-class starship that served during the Dominion war it also survived and can been seen in the ST Game BridgeCommaner
9:41 the Galaxy-class wasn't built as a warship until the Dominion war started then some 15 Galaxy-class Starships including the Uss Galaxy that was damaged in the First Battle of Chin'toka DS9 Episode Tears of the Prophets received the Venture Refit which included the same regenerative shields found on the Sovereign Class ablative Hall armor around critical points on the ships better maneuvering thrusters increased number of Phasers from 12-14 where the Phasers on a Standard Galaxy-class were type 10's 6 of the phasers on the Venture refit were type 12s the same kind used by the Sovereign Class and Prometheus class and thoes found on Federation Starbases hard hitting Phasers the ventral and dorsal array's were 12's as well as the 2 rear facing arrays on the back of the saucer section and 2 ontop of warp nacelles any of the other Galaxy class ships built during the war were built to thoes specs
USS Defiant pound for pound is #1 It takes down full sized starships with ease. Defiant vs Mirror Universe Negh'var. Defiant vs Lakota. Defiant vs Vor'cha. Defiant vs Lakota and Defiant vs Breen Intercepter. All of these battles can easily be searched on TH-cam. Defiant won the battle vs the Excelsior Lakota despite its enhancements.
Nicely done sir👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you kindly
The Galaxys biggest drawback was itself.
Every week something put it on the brink of blowing up, setting adrift, or some other catastrophe.
Let's not forget it was downed by a Bird of Prey as well.
I am reminded of one ship. The episode was in a hidden space with a race that held the " cure " for a race that was actually the same but wraughting. They had realy big/bad ships. Riker snuck away and came back with a big ship with 4 Warp Nacelles.. (2 up as usual and 2 down.)
The start of the episode was notable as Data "goes bezerk and exposes" the federation spy'n on a race. Near or at the end of season 7. (or movie)
The end battle was noteable as the Enterprise was confronting the big/bad/multi ships and not looking good..dun...dun....dun... and Riker came up from below with this 4 engine thing.
booo-BLAM! Wonderfuly dramatic..
Hrmm.. might have been a movie. Insurrection maybe. Snooping...
If its in Insurrection its not shown anywhere. I suspect keeping its revel quite for the finally as it was wonderfully dramatic..
A search for "4 Nacelle" brought up allot of floasam... well, like kids with "great ideas".
Probably get attacked for bringing up the reboots but the scimitar on Star Trek 2 into darkness was pretty badass .. it was larger faster and had more firepower, could fire while in warp .. I really wanted to see that large disrupter lazer fire 🔥 even if that meant the enterprise got blown up
I 100 % agree with you .. i don't care what people think of the reboot Scimtar was a beast and yes I too soooo wanted to see that huge disrupter get fired
Considering how big and complex those ships were, I'm surprised they developed new models so fast (just think how long ships and planes remain in service nowadays).
In that Excelsior class vs. Defiant battle, the Defiant did not go into the battle seeking to destroy the other ship. If Worf decided to wage an all-out, balls to the wall fight from the onset of that battle, the Lakota would have been space debris.
Neither did the Lakota.
Nothing were pulling their punches, so pointing out that Defiant was without stating tbe same for Lakota is frankly dishonest.
Feact of the matter is that both were quite capable of destroying the other.
@@bairdrew I have to disagree. The Lakota fired four times before the Defiant fought back. Worf never went into that battle thinking that he would have to fight the Lakota. I just watched the clip again. Neither ship used their full compliment of weapons though, to be fair. That much is clear.
@majorsynthqed7374 for some reason autocorrect changed "both" to "nothing" which quite drastically changes what I was saying in that sentence.
Basically I agree that neither ship was trying particularly hard to defeat the other.
@@bairdrew I always wondered if Worf's inner Klingon would have kicked in and just went full kick ass mode.
@@majorsynthqed7374 I believe he'd learnt his lesson after being reamed for blowing up that cloaked transport during the klingon-cardassian conflict.
The most powerful ship is whatever one Captain James T. Kirk and his crew are in command of at the time.
Exactly! The best ships had the best captains; #Archer #Kirk #Sisko #Picard #Janeway
At 4:35, the Enterprise-J is the largest ship they ever built, but only shown for a brief moment during the Enterprise series. It is part of canon, but only referenced once, and no shows have been made about the Star Trek future using this ship. Thus, very little, if anything is known about it.
There is some information on it. It's on star trek online.
Discovery is so massively OP, in the show they have it single handedly responsible for winning the war with the Klingons. After jumping 800 years into the future, it is still OP, and the future federation reverse engineered it to improve their fleet. I believe Discovery so so massively over powered it ruined continuity.
but the thing is, Discovery sucks ass and no one considers it canon.
@@rodneytrotter3725 Strange New Worlds, Academy, and Philippa Georgiou's future Section 31 movie are all spin offs from Discovery. It really sucks, but the show runners appear to consider it canon.
@@greybeard5123 But we don't so they can suck on a catus.
Think some conclusions weren't entirely based on accuracy. The Lakota was specifically upgraded and O'Brien's reaction inferred that this not not your typical Excelsior. The Defiant also falls in to this trap in the same episode having modifications that weren't known to Starfleet, however, there was only one ship of it's type so we don't know what a typical Defiant class would have. Pretty much every thing else made sense but you did slip up a few times.
The sovereign class also got rid of the children and families that the Galaxy class had been saddled with.
It wasn’t just the Galaxy. Remember Sisko had his wife and kid on a Reliant. Was fleet wide policy that changed
You really give the Connie a worf effect you know? The point is she IS that powerful, but gets crippled every time, so ingenuity using what’s left is what drives the story, and helps prevent ridiculous power creep like what happened in Star Trek Nemesis. Honestly I feel it forces better stories since it’s more about outfoxing the enemy using intelligent and combined tactics of the crew working together, then just more Dakka.
The excelsior's "transwarp" did work out was just a significantly faster warp drive, remember when sulu says come on come on and the helsman says that she'll fly apart? He wasn't kidding they're flying at speeds pushing nearly warp 9 (24th century scale of course) and with the advent of a faster warp drive it just didn't make sense to say warp 23 so they rescaled it to match the faster speeds in the late 23rd to early 24th century.
Very important question. Can there really be fireworks in space?
Of course, for exactly the same reason that a modern firearm will fire at least once in vacuum: it provides its own oxidizer.
😂 No. Fireworks, smoke and flames do not show in space. Hollywood deals in fiction, not reality.
The Refit is my favorite, but the Excelsior is definitely next. She built like a brick with that thick neck.
Yep sums it up, you forgot the juggernaut class though
What about ... the customized version of the Enterprise D that Admiral Riker showed up with in (I think) "All Good Things"? It had a third warp nacelle, a cloaking device, and some big-ass phaser cannon that ran the full length of the saucer section, and which cut a hostile Klingon ship in half with one shot. [edit - okay, three shots]
Or are we not counting alternate reality ships?
This was an excellent and well thought out presentation of the topic!
This level of quality demands my subscription!
Well Done!!
Thank you!!
The Dreadnought which looked like a bigger Constitution Class with 3 warp engines. It was extremely powerful. Read the novel DREADNOUGHT by Diane Carey.
Thanks for the recommendation. I will definitely look into that.
@GiantFreakinRobot Many purist fans say it's not canonical, however in the 1970s Star Trek Technical Manual, the Dreadnought is canonical.
Connie refit survived a V'ger blast when Klingon comparable ships couldn't. The fight with the Reliant and first Bird of Prey were without shields. Reliant hit it with a sneak attack and the ship wasn't fully repaired against the Bird of Prey. Enterprise-A was a Connie refit tech up against a prototype Bird of Prey at the end of its life.
Excelsior refit was a great mod (like Enterprise A and Lakota).
I’m not arguing that the Connie refit wasn’t badass. It had its moments or it would not be on the list at all. But it wasn’t as far beyond the other ships of its era as the ships higher on the list.
@@GiantFreakinRobot However, the Klingon captain in Star Trek 3 was also confused, why the Enterprise didn't just finish them off. He knew that the Constitution class was a much more powerful ship. The only reason the Constitution class lost was because it simply wasn't able to take another fight because of the battle against Kahn without repairs. Even the most powerful ship can lose to a small fighter if it can't defend itself properly.
@@GiantFreakinRobot And yet a "normal" BOP destroyed a Galaxy class ship with ease.
@@Phantassm that was for plot reasons
SS Vengence, or Star Trek's version of a Beaufighter. " Designed to blast anything that got in front of it out of the sky ".
Yeah, that's a pretty cool ship.
In the beginning of the first movie, the Dreadnaught Entente is mentioned in a communication call, but never shown. Assuming it was modernized, it would have certainly been more capable than the Constitution class.
The Constitution class refit vs Klingon Bird of Prey is quite unfair example of how the refit was underpowered, or whatever. A Bird of Prey is smaller, more maneuverable, has cloaking tech and an experienced war hardened crew. Try to fight something you can't see most the time with the crew steeled with countless of fighting experiences like the Klingons in a ship, that barely came out of a space dock. You would struggle, like they did. When you try to kill an annoying fly with the insect squatter (or whatever it's called, English isn't my first language), you fail a few times. And the fly can't even turn invisible, like the Bird of Prey can. So the refit might be powerful and whatnot, but a Bird of Prey is still a hard opponent, despite its size. It utilizes different tactics, that suit their needs and can turn the fight in their favor quickly. So that example isn't the best to show, how powerful, or whatever the Constitution refit really was. I'm pretty sure some other Federation ships would also struggle against a Bird of Prey, unless you pick up a similar class, comparable in size and maneuverability to the BoP. It would still have some advantages though (cloaking, more experienced crew, I doubt there were crews in the Starfleet, that could match the Klingons in warfare). So yea, that's that.
Another way to look at the rankings, which ship would you want to command? I would take the Enterprise D Galaxy, B Excelsior, A Constitution (Refit), Nebula, Sovereign, Intrepid, Ambassador, Miranda in that order. Just due to accommodations, abilities, general usefulness, and personal bias. I grew up with ToS movies (watched in the theatres) but the Galaxy was just a beast when it was premiered. (Not going to lie, the holodecks are a feature that cant be ignored lol) Seeing the Enterprise D brought back by Jordi in Picard season 3 damn near brought a tear to my eye seeing the old girl back in the fray.
They all would be great if their shields didn't go down after the first volley!
Also a Galaxy Wing wasn't JUST Galaxies, they were more valuable being used like US Navy carrier battle groups: A carrier surrounded by support ships with different roles. Eight carriers sounds like quite the show of force but without dedicated AA ships, minesweepers, sub hunters, provisions and fuel ships, etc., they're quite vulnerable and overspecialized.
The Galaxy in DS9 would have been surrounded by Akiras, Mirandas, Excelsiors, all varieties of current Starfleet ships at the time. 3-5 of those battle groups? You got a fight on your hands.
Of course that all goes to shit immediately, they say a plan only survives the first five minutes of its life in combat.
So they Odyssey class is as big as a Romulan Warbird, it didn't look that big on screen, that surprises me. As for the Excelsior class, there were different versions weren't there? I doubt a Kirk era version could have slapped the NX Defiant class around and lived to boast about it like the Lakota did.
The Ambassador was more akin to the Tiger tank, very powerful, very advanced but that was the issue, it was too tricky to maintain well or operate with peak efficiency, it was ahead of it's time but that was also where it fell down some times, would be like Independence day where we were trying to fly the alien ship, it was a clunky and awkward adventure which ended in a crash after a successful mission, 20 years later it was retrofitted to a good fighter fleet, the Ambassador/Galaxy story is similar to this as it was perfecting any of the Ambassador flaws.
I do not know if these specs are considered cannon or not, but the NCC1701-J was supposed to be almost two miles in length. Or 3.2 KM. A Borg cube for comparison is 3kmsq. Far more mass, but not as wide in any direction.
Small issue, but NX isn’t a “class” of ship like constitution or galaxy etc, NX ships are generally experimental or prototypes, like the NX-01 enterprise or NX -02 Columbia, or the “transwarp” USS Excelsior NX-2000, all the way through to TNG/DS9 era with the USS Defiant NX-74205
Not sure why, but that bugged me far more than it should have 😅
You should see Ashtar Command presently 72,000 miles in orbit around the Earth. Its the size of a small city. Its coming a lot closer in Phase 3 and will drop its cloak in early 2025. We will start to see the scout ships soon. I can't wait 😊
keeping it naval, the Enterprizes were frequently put in the equivalent of a nuclear carrier flagship vessel. Only a few NX, only a few Constitution, Ambassador and 1st block of Galaxy. Cutting edge ships of their era a couple of times they ended up in a workhorse hull like the Excalibur matching up with a WW2 fletcher or Cold War Arleigh Burke and getting "long toothed" before finally getting replaced.
The 1st block Galaxies were exploratory peacetime vessels, but after a couple encounters with Borg and Dominion, they were tightened up. They lost the bells and whistles and became more like the nuclear carriers of the cold war. Big ships with heavy power projection that served as fleet command vessels. I expect, if the Enterprize C hadn't crashed, that it would have been replaced by a second block Galaxy built with a combat tested, and resilient, spaceframe. The warpcore and computer issues resolved and a lot of the cruise ship feel burned away due to the Dominion war. A long endurance ship-yes, but one with significant adjustments into a more organized and martial mindset.
The Sovreign was most decidedly designed as a slugger or tactical vessel a combat cruiser with exploration capabilities and very little diplomatic or first contact funtion like the second flight Galaxies would still have been equipped with being designed as deep explorers first. I think the Sovreign is starfleets recognition of a requirement for a kick ass capiitol combat ship that more aggressive races could respect.
The Odyssey would be the ship built after all the lessons learned from Voyager, Dominion, and Borg were integrated and mastered and used to build a ship like the Constitution Class again. A class of a few big cutting edge generalists that could win an occaisional bare knuckle fight or bar brawl in a rowdy sector.
I saw the Mirandas, Nebulas, and similar "Close Coupled" ships as the workhorses of the fleet running the vaccines, triticale, or evacuation efforts. Made from already designed parts in a "warp efficient enough" form factor with components that would be mass producible from the bleeding edge flagship designs.
Great video, as are the rest of them. Question, am I right in interpreting you are only including production ships within the original timeline? The USS Vengeance would surely be included even though it had a very short lifespan!
Yeah prime timeline only
@@GiantFreakinRobot you won’t catch me raising a fuss about not including what JJ did to ST…
@@GiantFreakinRobot …as it should be thanks to our pal JJ, destroyer of many universes.
Great topic
Thanks!!
Yes they are all beautiful ships in their own Era of designs, time of service star trek has some great ships. The battle star Galactica ships were cool to the 70's TV show .
BSG ships are so underrated
Odessy and Thurgy class are IMHO two of the finest looking ships in the fleet.
TOS Enterprise will always have a special place.
Oh if we are going by looks this would be a very different list!
The constitution class starship was vicious with the M5 computer tie in. Then again, any starship would have been invincible with the M5... until they met the Borg. But, maybe the M5 could beat the Borg single handedly.
I used to think 60 years was a long time for ships then again the USS NIMITZ is 52 yrs old; and the USS BLUE RIDGE 57!
The constitution class appears in TNG battle with borg plus they were briefly mentioned
And the ambassador class was a monumental failure in beta cannon. Thats why they kept producing the miranda and excelsiur classes.
Depends on that Bird of Prey...Kvort or Brell? The former is a battlecruiser comparable in size and power to that Refit Connie. The latter is a smaller raiding ship, the one described in the vid and a ship that is notorious for punching way above its weight..
Cruisers aren't star fighters, they are too big, great Ships though.
Would have liked to know where the Dreadnought class from StarTrek into Darkness would sit in this list. Understandably that was the Kelvin timeline and may not have been in scope of this analysis. Appreciate any thoughts around this.
Right it’s alt universe so not included. But if I was including it, not sure where I would put it. Its an oddball one off built in a sort of half-assed way in secret. Its Chief ability is being big. And in the end, it lost.
You are forgetting the most power ship ever made in star flee the oberth
It’s so powerful it doesn’t even need turbo lifts between the two hulls!
The USS Lolipop, as manned by Will Riker. He said it was a "good ship".
Made out of explodium. One hit from a Klingon photo torpedo or a light hit from a Borg cutting beam and Ta-Dah! It’s gone! 🤣
They should have renamed it the " O-Shit" class, because one good fart in it direction and it was doomed.
The Constitution class refit was taken out by a bird of prey due to the electrical short in the automation which left the ship helpless. This is true, although it only had 6 crew members if I remember correctly, at the time. But you seem to have forgotten that the Galaxy class with a full crew was taken out by an antique bird of prey. The Galaxy class did have very good fire power and excellent shields, but it was a paper tiger. If you could get past it's shields, it was easy prey as it couldn't take a hit without shields.
Although it isn't relevant to this list, I have always hated the way it looked. To me it looked like it belonged on a space version of the love boat, not like a ship that was expected to be able to fight. At least that does explain why it couldn't take a hit without shields. On the other hand the Constitution was made with the idea of having to be able to handle it's self without help. And the way it looks shows it. It looks like it can take a hit and was made to be maneuverable. It had a better turning radios than any comparable ship of the time. It was the ship that saved the federation in the Klingon war.
Although I do believe that the Constitution should be higher on the list, I must admit that you done a much better job on this list than I would have myself. Well done!!
Purely a personal opinion, but the "All or Nothing" armour design of the Galaxy Class made sense. The challenge is mass. Even with the very loose adherence to physics in Star Trek, the Galaxy (and Nebula class), would have been ungodly heavy. As a primarily deep space explorer and first responder to emergencies, her monstrous engines were already an essential requirement for speed. It's logical to forgo the mass of physical defenses in exchange for maneuverability (which would already be a problem in a ship that size). Despite their need to create tension for exciting TV, Enterprise D's deflectors should have been able to tank far mor than what was depicted. When you add those phaser banks that could level cities...
As for the Constitution Class her hull was built before the defector screens were even a standard part of the loadout, Enterprise Refit possibly having one of the earliest setups, at least that's how it appeared to me in The Motion Picture when they first encountered V'Ger.
@@andytol1976 First of all, don't worry about me getting offended just because you have a different opinion. That is how we should learn. ;-}}
I would say that your reasoning for the lack of armor would make since if it was made as one solid ship, although I would still disagree with it as a ship that size will never be hard to hit. But with it being made to separate, that should not be a problem. I know that for budget reasons in the show they didn't use that ability. But it is still a part of the ship. In my opinion what they should have done with the Galaxy design was to armor everything except the saucer section. Then when they separated, it would have been a deadly ship.
Regarding the Constitution class ship. It was originally made as a combat ship, although not a dedicated war ship. That was a large part of it's concept. And it always had shields. They just got an upgrade to them in the movie. One of the big advantages of the Constitution was that it was more maneuverable than it's Klingon counterpart.
Let's just say it as it is. The writers had to think of something to get rid of the Enterprise D to make room for a starship that fits better for the movies. :(
Hated that ship with that big ass saucer.
Considering the delta quadrant had species with more powerful ship I would rank Voyager second to the Defiant even if she was a battleship with stronger shields photon torpedo spread and movement,,,Janeway was an underrated captain with vast knowledge of her shipp
I can see your argument.
There were a lot of Starfleet ship designs and you could never cover them all but I was surprised the Intrepid class didn't make the list. There was a whole series written around one.
Defiant Class for the win!
Hold the phone partner, what happened to the DREADNAUGHT class? That was a purpose built WARSHIP.
That's the alternate timeline. We don't talk about it.
Not prime timeline
@@GiantFreakinRobot We rank the top 7 most powerful ships in the entire Star Trek franchise, including Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Picard, and every show and movie set in the Federation's fictional universe.
Make up your mind
Hummm same thing I was thinking that ship was a beast
@@Maddmaxx0007 It was, but it was taken out like a death star.
(Canon) only 1 Galaxy class was lost against the Dominion. USS Odyssey.
In total, 3 Galaxy have been lost, 1 rebuilt. Enterprise D, Yamato, Odyssey. Ent-D rebuilt. So total: 2 lost Galaxy class.
No Galaxy class has been lost in fair combat. Both the ent D and Odyssey had their shields bypassed. Even then, the Dominion with 3 warships were unable to defeat the Odyssey. They chose to ram its engineering section.
Yamato computer was overwritten by an iconian probe and self destructed.
The Ent won the engagement, but was 50% destroyed only losing her stardrive.
We may not have seen them blow up on screen but we saw dozens of them in fleet action on DS9 taking heavy damage and then shortly after seeing that Sisko would say that most of the fleet was destroyed… so it’s hard to think at least some weren’t blown up.
@@GiantFreakinRobot It would only be an assumption, but a fair one.
If memory serves, the only damage a Galaxy class was shown to have sustained was the first battle for Chin'toka. Damage from the orbital weapon visually was superficial.
Cool video.