I ride Zipp 303 tubs on training rides, glued on, and carry a pre-glued spare tyre. The glue reactivates when it goes up against the glue on the rim to replace a flat. I use Conti Gatorskins for training, Conti Competition on Edco's for racing. Never tried tape as I can be quick with glue, but now might be the time. I can change a flat quicker than club members with clinchers and tyre levers, and certainly quicker than tubeless, which many without the right technique struggle to get off and on. I also use sealant in the tubs and it has saved me many times.
Tried tubs for the first time, and went the taped path. Simple, clean and neat. I believe taped adhesives have come in leaps and bounds, compared to 50 year old tech that is mastic/ contact cement.
I've been running clinchers for decades. I only got my first tubular wheelset last year. I haven't done much riding on them yet. I decided to go the tape route, and don't have any regrets yet. I went with the TUFO tape on the rear, and the red 3M tape on the front. Just to see which one was better. My red tape wasn't transparent like the one shown here. Thank you.
Great vid Cam. When I fit my tapes, I always peel off a couple of inches either side of the valve hole to lie outside of the rim before fitting the tyre so that just in case the tape breaks when pulling one of them through, you always have the second to pull from the other side. If it does break, its probably a sign that that the tyre has too much pressure in it, so I would reduce the pressure before pulling on the second tape. I never pump the tyre over 30/40psi.
I always tape over the stem hole because the bottom of the stem rubber gets pushed up through the sharp edges of carbon or aluminum valve holes. I also use 3m, but mine is blue and thicker. I also like to see tape protruding through the valve hole surrounding the stem. Its worked like a charm for me for many years.
I had no idea that fitting one was considered to be such a big deal. I've run tubs on my track bike since I got one in the 90's, and didn't think anything of changing tyres myself, just went ahead and did it (with tape). Couple of nice tips in there though, which I found out by trial and error... pre-TH-cam :)
Talk about reading my mind, went to look for taping option to use with new tyres on rims, and this cam up.... Tape ordered from Caden, cant wait to try it out.. Glue sucks!!!! Thanks Cam for yet another great video ;)
Thx Cam. Ur mate the bike mechanic certainly had done a few of these. I have always glued mine. No longer. Have 2 take my Roval clx40's 2 my Specialized Bike Shop & they r very kindly going 2 allow me 2 use the Wheel True Stand 2 get the glue off my Rims. Tape 4 me in future. B4 the new Tubulars go on l am going 2 upgrade the spokes 2 DR Swiss Aerolite bladed Spokes. My Carbon Wheels should end up about 100grams lighter & also faster. Would ❤ 2 find a couple of pairs of the clincher versions 4 Training.
Been running Caden tubular wheels for 18 months with veloflex arenberg 25mm tires. I wore out a rear tire(ie no punctures) and removed that tire at home to replace. What surprised me was all the Caden supplied 3M tape remained on the rim and was very sticky 👍. I carry a spare tire and in the case of a puncture on the road, would have no hesitations in ripping that tire off, fitting the spare and continuing the ride.
@@DallasTRF How do u carry ur spare tubs? i was thinking about saddle bags but i figured tubular tires needs quite some space as they aren't able to flex as much as regular clincher tubes. Cheers
Hi there from France, It's pretty simple really,just take à spare tubular with you (and a means to inflate it),they fold up and you just pop it in one of your jersey pockets. But let's be clear here, if you're happy on clinchers there's no real reason to change. Tubulars require alot of work.Here in Europe they are not that expensive,plus there is a real tubular culture. Have a great day 😊
I have been running tubulars on my Enve’s for several years and have been relatively fortunate. Nevertheless, flats are inevitable and I just walked out to find a flat front tire caused by a huge piece of glass. I’m sick of glueing and so I’m going to give this a try. My question is this: I have two rounds of old glue on the carbon rim currently. Is the tape more effective or less effective with the old glue on the rim? Is removal of the glue is necessary to proper installation of the rim tape? Cheers in advance.
Hello can tubular tape be installed over leftover glue residue on a wheelset? Or will I need a fresh/bare wheelset for it to adhere properly? I want to switch to tape but was worried the glue residue would affect it
Some guys put a squirt of sealant into the tubulars but you just take a spare. If you're just a metro rider or doing crits I think tubs are ok. I feel they're a safer option than tubeless.
Thx for the tutorial, helpful make me want to go for it! And It raised a question in my mind. You promote the Caden (DEcadenCE) wheelset, I would be interested to get a bit more on the wheelset. A review perhaps. Based in the USA, i have a hard time to find proper current review on the wheelset. My personal interest are around 5 aspects: - Riding characteristics of the wheelset (stable, nervous....) - Behavior in windy situation - Performance (aerodynamic, compared to your ZIP on the WINSPACE on your lovely hill of yours ;-) ) - Hub (engagement / maintenance) - long term review (not now i know) , at the end i would want to know if money was not a thing would these be your recommendation? That could lead to a wheel comparison and review based on what you have experienced so far. Thx so much for trying more affordable options for all of us, cycling is becoming such a luxury sport and triathlon (my gig) feels simply elitist, just sad. Keep going th good job!
Hi, good evening from the small island of Saipan. Like your video about using tape for tubular tires. By the way what kind of 3M tape you using? Like to try it also 😊
EXCELLENT tutorial video , gentleman ‼ What PSI are you actually riding ? Was hoping to see the FINAL step of getting last part of tire onto rim Always the most challenging part of the install Why was that part not shown ? Have you been able to get in some decent miles on the bike with these wheels?
Just an oversight during filming mate, I was there two evenings and hours of footage. Sometimes you miss stuff. I haven't ridden the bike much yet, will soon!
The tech seems to have improved. Tape was a huge no-no even 5-8 years ago. Always glue. It would take at least 3 days of 3 separate mastic applications with 24 hr dry time each application.
Hello is it possible to install tubular tape on top of old glue residue or does it need to be a fresh wheel that hasn't been glued previously? I'm worried the old glue would affect the adhesive from the tape
Hmm. I'm still a bit skeptical on tubular tape. Is it really as safe as glue? As in it doesn't roll off even on hot days? Or with rim braking heat? Edit: I've also noticed it's hard to get the tape perfectly aligned to the wheel, as it sticks to the tube immediately, whereas with glue, the tube "slides on" the wheel, allowing for minor adjustments to be made before they completely adhere.
Hi from France, I'm a tubular man,been running on tubulars for years (a personal choice, no hate mail please), i glue my tub's (again a personal choice, no hate mail please). But what a great video, showing that it's not at all that hard the gluing part,but i'm telling you now the ride on tub's is just something else. Just a question,how do you find those Maxxis tubulars ? I run exclusivly Vittoria (again a personal choice) the Corsa in 25mm. Do you find a difference between tubulars and tubeless tyres ? Do you run on tubulars daily or only on race days ? I love your chanel,i'm an Aussie (from Melbourne,no hate mail) love your accent and just they way you get things done.
Thanks for the support mate. Haven't had much experience with tubeless, so can't say. I will be running tubulars daily on the Factor. I have three bikes though. Haven't ridden the Maxxis enough yet to tell! Cheers, Cam
Thanks Cam yet another interesting video. I have a question for your friend. How about leaving a small gap (5-7 cm) opposite to the valve without tape to facilitate dismounting the tubular fast while being out there? and in case of a flat would it be safe to mount a spare tubular if that 3M tape comes off with the flat tub (as I have experienced when done at home), much less with Tufo tape that tends to stay on the rim. Cheers
There's nothing like the smell of tubular glue to your Sunday morning coffe. Gluing is a lifestyle, as important as cycling itself. Now, this is the first time I've seen this 3M tape, seems much better than the more common tape with a kind of foam in the middle(those are totally useless) Maybe the time has come ...
@@CamNicholls The might be lighter but high-end tube type and tubeless tyres have less rolling resistance. What do you do when you puncture your tubular tyre? Uber home?
@@muhtah9970 No you won't damage the rim, I have used tubs on my mtb with Mariposa tape and would gently use a screwdriver to lift the tire/break the glued bond on the rim (small section). Then you roll the tire off the rim starting with the unbonded area. The guy taping the tubs forgot to mention you need to give the glue a day to cure, saying "ready to ride" at the end of the video after he just finished is a good way to roll a tire.
I use various 3m tapes in a more industrial setting. There are different tapes with different glue strengths available. Some of them are just crazy strong. One of the tapes I use comes with a warning not to use it anywhere which can't be damaged if you need to remove it. I use it to mount stuff on the wall at home and it will take chunks of concrete out when trying to remove it. Other tapes are designed for rather more easy removal-most likely what is needed for tubular tires! Really amazing stuff.
I was lulled into the convenience of tape, unfortunately rolling a tire in a race I spent time training for was not convenient,safe or an experience I'm willing to repeat. Pay someone to glue if you don't have the time, consider your mates safety if not your own.
I don’t get that people still use this stoneage tech. Doesn’t make any sense especially in the amateur sector. And especially since tubeless is know to have less rolling resistance
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I ride Zipp 303 tubs on training rides, glued on, and carry a pre-glued spare tyre. The glue reactivates when it goes up against the glue on the rim to replace a flat. I use Conti Gatorskins for training, Conti Competition on Edco's for racing. Never tried tape as I can be quick with glue, but now might be the time. I can change a flat quicker than club members with clinchers and tyre levers, and certainly quicker than tubeless, which many without the right technique struggle to get off and on. I also use sealant in the tubs and it has saved me many times.
Tried tubs for the first time, and went the taped path. Simple, clean and neat.
I believe taped adhesives have come in leaps and bounds, compared to 50 year old tech that is mastic/ contact cement.
Ive been using tape to hold my tubs for the last 3 years - using Caden tape. Never had any issues and i use my tubs as a daily ✌🏼
This guy definitely has to make his own TH-cam channel.
He's coming back for round two mate. Then maybe three and four.
I've been running clinchers for decades. I only got my first tubular wheelset last year. I haven't done much riding on them yet. I decided to go the tape route, and don't have any regrets yet. I went with the TUFO tape on the rear, and the red 3M tape on the front. Just to see which one was better. My red tape wasn't transparent like the one shown here. Thank you.
Great vid Cam. When I fit my tapes, I always peel off a couple of inches either side of the valve hole to lie outside of the rim before fitting the tyre so that just in case the tape breaks when pulling one of them through, you always have the second to pull from the other side. If it does break, its probably a sign that that the tyre has too much pressure in it, so I would reduce the pressure before pulling on the second tape. I never pump the tyre over 30/40psi.
Thanks for this very useful video! I have just purchased a bike with tubulars so good knowledge to have in case I run flat.
I always tape over the stem hole because the bottom of the stem rubber gets pushed up through the sharp edges of carbon or aluminum valve holes. I also use 3m, but mine is blue and thicker. I also like to see tape protruding through the valve hole surrounding the stem. Its worked like a charm for me for many years.
Interesting to hear, thanks for sharing on the thread mate 👍
Excellent tutorial!!!
Would love to see/hear more from this guy
Yes, we'll be doing a round two.
I had no idea that fitting one was considered to be such a big deal. I've run tubs on my track bike since I got one in the 90's, and didn't think anything of changing tyres myself, just went ahead and did it (with tape). Couple of nice tips in there though, which I found out by trial and error... pre-TH-cam :)
Thanks Cam, for the first time I see how this is done 😉👍
Sticking to my Hutchinson tubeless set up 👍
Talk about reading my mind, went to look for taping option to use with new tyres on rims, and this cam up.... Tape ordered from Caden, cant wait to try it out.. Glue sucks!!!! Thanks Cam for yet another great video ;)
Nice one Scotty.
That 3m tape looks well easy to use,the trouble is i now use maxis tubeless now...so convenient especially on our uk roads!!!
You are a legend brother
amazing tutorial
Awesome vid Cam, and that Factor looks like an absolute weapon 🚲👍
Thx Cam. Ur mate the bike mechanic certainly had done a few of these. I have always glued mine. No longer. Have 2 take my Roval clx40's 2 my Specialized Bike Shop & they r very kindly going 2 allow me 2 use the Wheel True Stand 2 get the glue off my Rims. Tape 4 me in future. B4 the new Tubulars go on l am going 2 upgrade the spokes 2 DR Swiss Aerolite bladed Spokes. My Carbon Wheels should end up about 100grams lighter & also faster. Would ❤ 2 find a couple of pairs of the clincher versions 4 Training.
Would love a tutorial in options to get home after flatting with a tub , reluctant to ride mine as worried will get stuck
Been running Caden tubular wheels for 18 months with veloflex arenberg 25mm tires. I wore out a rear tire(ie no punctures) and removed that tire at home
to replace. What surprised me was all the Caden supplied 3M tape remained on the rim and was very sticky 👍. I carry a spare tire and in the case of a puncture on the road, would have no hesitations in ripping that tire off, fitting the spare and continuing the ride.
@@DallasTRF How do u carry ur spare tubs? i was thinking about saddle bags but i figured tubular tires needs quite some space as they aren't able to flex as much as regular clincher tubes. Cheers
Hi there from France,
It's pretty simple really,just take à spare tubular with you (and a means to inflate it),they fold up and you just pop it in one of your jersey pockets.
But let's be clear here, if you're happy on clinchers there's no real reason to change.
Tubulars require alot of work.Here in Europe they are not that expensive,plus there is a real tubular culture.
Have a great day 😊
Would be great fun to see more vidoes about the Caden/DeCadence wheels
More to come Runar, Cam
I have been running tubulars on my Enve’s for several years and have been relatively fortunate. Nevertheless, flats are inevitable and I just walked out to find a flat front tire caused by a huge piece of glass. I’m sick of glueing and so I’m going to give this a try. My question is this:
I have two rounds of old glue on the carbon rim currently. Is the tape more effective or less effective with the old glue on the rim? Is removal of the glue is necessary to proper installation of the rim tape? Cheers in advance.
I'd say maybe try to remove the old glue with fine grit emery cloth. I saw that on a Continental video.
Hello can tubular tape be installed over leftover glue residue on a wheelset? Or will I need a fresh/bare wheelset for it to adhere properly?
I want to switch to tape but was worried the glue residue would affect it
If your tire is flat beyond repair, do you have a spare with you? Just curious why you didn't choose tubeless, thanks for the content!
Yes I will be carrying a spare tyre on the longer rides.
Some guys put a squirt of sealant into the tubulars but you just take a spare. If you're just a metro rider or doing crits I think tubs are ok. I feel they're a safer option than tubeless.
Thanks for sharing! 😀
After watching this tutorial, I am willing to pay for Fitting Tubular tiers.. hahahahaha
Thx for the tutorial, helpful make me want to go for it! And It raised a question in my mind. You promote the Caden (DEcadenCE) wheelset, I would be interested to get a bit more on the wheelset. A review perhaps. Based in the USA, i have a hard time to find proper current review on the wheelset.
My personal interest are around 5 aspects:
- Riding characteristics of the wheelset (stable, nervous....)
- Behavior in windy situation
- Performance (aerodynamic, compared to your ZIP on the WINSPACE on your lovely hill of yours ;-) )
- Hub (engagement / maintenance)
- long term review (not now i know) ,
at the end i would want to know if money was not a thing would these be your recommendation?
That could lead to a wheel comparison and review based on what you have experienced so far.
Thx so much for trying more affordable options for all of us, cycling is becoming such a luxury sport and triathlon (my gig) feels simply elitist, just sad.
Keep going th good job!
See here th-cam.com/video/wsz-o5pFcSk/w-d-xo.html
Waiting for your review of the VAM mate
no experience with the 3M tape, but i tried the Mariposa tape and it was like pedaling through 3mm of mud. it sure was convenient though
Interesting to hear that’s for sharing on the thread mate.
tubulars making a comebback?!!?!?!?!?!?!
Dead cat bounce.
I ride with them
Hi, good evening from the small island of Saipan. Like your video about using tape for tubular tires. By the way what kind of 3M tape you using? Like to try it also 😊
Great and insightful video, but the best takeaway for me? Electrical tape on the valvestem to stop it rattling! :P
That is a great tip Cameron, I agree. Cam
EXCELLENT tutorial video , gentleman ‼
What PSI are you actually riding ?
Was hoping to see the FINAL step of getting last part of tire onto rim
Always the most challenging part of the install
Why was that part not shown ?
Have you been able to get in some decent miles on the bike with these wheels?
Just an oversight during filming mate, I was there two evenings and hours of footage. Sometimes you miss stuff. I haven't ridden the bike much yet, will soon!
The tech seems to have improved. Tape was a huge no-no even 5-8 years ago. Always glue. It would take at least 3 days of 3 separate mastic applications with 24 hr dry time each application.
Wow!
the width of the tape equals to the width of the tires or should it be a bit smaller?
Hello is it possible to install tubular tape on top of old glue residue or does it need to be a fresh wheel that hasn't been glued previously? I'm worried the old glue would affect the adhesive from the tape
You would need to clean the rim. Surely there is a solution for that. I am not personally sure though
Hmm. I'm still a bit skeptical on tubular tape. Is it really as safe as glue? As in it doesn't roll off even on hot days? Or with rim braking heat?
Edit: I've also noticed it's hard to get the tape perfectly aligned to the wheel, as it sticks to the tube immediately, whereas with glue, the tube "slides on" the wheel, allowing for minor adjustments to be made before they completely adhere.
We'll find out Chris. My first attempt
I ride taped tubies in the Texas heat with no rolling/sliding. Excellent road feel an handling.
Hi from France,
I'm a tubular man,been running on tubulars for years (a personal choice, no hate mail please), i glue my tub's (again a personal choice, no hate mail please).
But what a great video, showing that it's not at all that hard the gluing part,but i'm telling you now the ride on tub's is just something else.
Just a question,how do you find those Maxxis tubulars ? I run exclusivly Vittoria (again a personal choice) the Corsa in 25mm.
Do you find a difference between tubulars and tubeless tyres ?
Do you run on tubulars daily or only on race days ?
I love your chanel,i'm an Aussie (from Melbourne,no hate mail) love your accent and just they way you get things done.
Thanks for the support mate. Haven't had much experience with tubeless, so can't say. I will be running tubulars daily on the Factor. I have three bikes though. Haven't ridden the Maxxis enough yet to tell! Cheers, Cam
So you are a tubular shaped man and not cylindrical. I can tell that you get lots of hate mail. Maybe change your shape. :)
@@veloaddict hi there,which country are you from ?
Thanks Cam yet another interesting video. I have a question for your friend. How about leaving a small gap (5-7 cm) opposite to the valve without tape to facilitate dismounting the tubular fast while being out there? and in case of a flat would it be safe to mount a spare tubular if that 3M tape comes off with the flat tub (as I have experienced when done at home), much less with Tufo tape that tends to stay on the rim. Cheers
Thanks for the Q Jorge, Jay may come in an answer a few. Cheers, Cam
There's nothing like the smell of tubular glue to your Sunday morning coffe.
Gluing is a lifestyle, as important as cycling itself.
Now, this is the first time I've seen this 3M tape, seems much better than the more common tape with a kind of foam in the middle(those are totally useless)
Maybe the time has come ...
I've used the red 3M tape with the foam in the middle with no problems.
How tall are you? 5.10 ? Im 6.1 and Its a 58 cm bmc sl01 out now. But will that be too big?
179cm. Not sure mate, you'll need to work with the shop, there's too many variables outside of straight height
my bike shop has been burning me,,,,,thanks. i need to get ya pint + 4 mate....
If i got flat in tubular so i need to change the rim tape i mean the glue before puting the tube??
no you should be able to peel the tire off with a tire lever
Man when putting the tape on, use a truing stand, so much easier and quicker.
Is 22mm tape ok on a 19mm ?
hey Cam, thanks for the Video...
Why going Tubular and not Tubeless? Is it just a few grams ligther?
Yep, it was about lightness for this project, also many people I speak to still say tubular are best
@@CamNicholls The might be lighter but high-end tube type and tubeless tyres have less rolling resistance. What do you do when you puncture your tubular tyre? Uber home?
@@bikerjk1205 Yes, no, spare.
@@bikerjk1205 Spare tire
😍🚲👍nice bro..
Can you put sealant to tubular tires?
Yes need to get onto that.
How do you change a tubular tire? since it is glued or do you just swap the whole wheel?
peel it off, you just need a bit of force when the tyre is deflated.
@@CamNicholls when using force isn't there than a risk of damaging the rim?
@@muhtah9970 No you won't damage the rim, I have used tubs on my mtb with Mariposa tape and would gently use a screwdriver to lift the tire/break the glued bond on the rim (small section). Then you roll the tire off the rim starting with the unbonded area. The guy taping the tubs forgot to mention you need to give the glue a day to cure, saying "ready to ride" at the end of the video after he just finished is a good way to roll a tire.
Make a comparison between caden and winspace wheels
I’ll try, way behind on content right now
did you prep the tire with glue?
No just the tape
Why no choose hookless wheel ?
What's the purpose of the tape if he pulls it out?
It is double sided tape, so he is only puling out the cover strip so that the remaining tape sticks the tub.
Friends dont let friends glue tub’s!
haha good to know
That tape is The Shit! for tubbies. Never glue again
Tubulars in 2021 🤯
haha
So tubular actually means no tube??
No, there is a tube inside a tubular. Just imagine a clincher with a tube inside and the tire is sewn together.
It boggles the mind that a strip of tape is holding a tire on to a rim!
I hear what you’re saying but the tape is super strong. Never seen anything like it.
I use various 3m tapes in a more industrial setting. There are different tapes with different glue strengths available. Some of them are just crazy strong. One of the tapes I use comes with a warning not to use it anywhere which can't be damaged if you need to remove it. I use it to mount stuff on the wall at home and it will take chunks of concrete out when trying to remove it. Other tapes are designed for rather more easy removal-most likely what is needed for tubular tires! Really amazing stuff.
The tyre would stay on the rim without the tape as long as it's up to pressure, due to the shape of the rim...
That Tire is tight around the Rim once its has the right amount of pressure.
I was lulled into the convenience of tape, unfortunately rolling a tire in a race I spent time training for was not convenient,safe or an experience I'm willing to repeat. Pay someone to glue if you don't have the time, consider your mates safety if not your own.
Interesting to hear, thanks for sharing on the thread Jeffrey
If you do not clean the rims,,you will have a bad result when it gets hot ,,,
tubes are soooo old school......tubeless man. Better rolling resistance, better puncture proof, better setup!
I had a bad experience with tubeless, not sure I want to go back
Tubular....why?
Trying to be like the pros mate. It's sad.
@@CamNicholls 😂👌🏻
not sure why amateurs still using tubular tyres, that won't make any sense.
I don’t get that people still use this stoneage tech. Doesn’t make any sense especially in the amateur sector. And especially since tubeless is know to have less rolling resistance
Ive had good experiences with them, not so much with tubeless
Should not stretch the tire like that