Fantastic. Never stopped riding tubulars, having started doing so around 82' 😅. Cool to see a video validate what I've stated for years i.e., it's easy to change a flat. (Guarantee the 30-something naysayers don't even use tubulars.) The old SOP I learned was, you glue the tires on your road training wheels "half-ass" like as in, it takes 5 minutes and it's therefore easy to change. (On an old rim with built-up glue, they will set very firmly anyway.) Race and track wheels get the full-welded procedure of course. Just used the sealant hack on a CX tire. Perfect. Tufos don't even have a latex tube so in that case you can pre-load the tire with sealant.
I rarely get flats on my tubulars never a pinch flat and that's with 38 years of riding them. I carry around a container of Vittoria pitstop and that works great! In fact I just went 9700 miles in between flats with them! Thanks for doing a piece on tubulars they get such a bad rap all the time!
Agreed, I’ve been riding 40 years and always used to use tubulars for say the first 20 odd years, just sort of fell into clincher but now I’m going to go back to tubulars, there’s some real bargain wheelsets to be had with new riders falling for tubeless, I’m just looking at videos brushing up on old skills 😊
Glad you had good experience with Pitsop. I have not. I found it sprays out all over the place about half the time so I quit carrying it. Like getting pranked with silly string on the side of the road.
The riders that grouse about sewups most likely have never used/ridden them. Usually they repeat myth and phony lore. If you go with any tire system, you must fully commit to that particular platform. Tubulars really are the fastest, safest, and most reliable tires available.
I have tubs on my gravel bike and carry sealant. Must look into getting one of those containers, seems like a good backup plan. I’ll just stick a road tyre in it though. 👍
I hate changing clincher tyres.IMO it is way harder. Sometimes takes ages to get certain tyres on and off. I have changed a clincher only to find another puncture.Not to mention pinching tubes with the inevitible explosion.I ride veloflex Ardenberg with sealant already inside.Sweet ride that clinchers cannot compare. Thanks for the vid...I use Caffelatex by Mariposa...
Before you put the tube in you run your fingers around the inside of the tyre so that if there's broken glass stuck in there you'll know it when you see the blood.
Current tubulars coomonly have a latex inner tube and due to that not all sealants are fit for them, would You mind saying which sealants are safe for tubs with latex inners?
I use stans, but this does deteriorate the tube over time, but it is like 6 to 12 months so that doesn't bother me. This is why i don't put the sealant in till i get a flat. There is none latex sealants, but i haven't tried them.
If you strip off the punctured tubular can the new tyre be fitted on the rim on top of the old glue as a way of getting home? I only run tubulars and have never had a puncture, but I’d like to be fully prepared for the worst!
Yep, that is exactly what you do, the tyre pressure holds the tyre on the rim. Just don’t go hammering around corners and scraping pedals. You don’t need the glue to stick the tyre on to get home.
Had bad experience with sealant on tubs. Yes it seals small punctures and your valves too, two of my friends had sealants on their tubs, had to replace them coz they cant pump air anymore.
Never had a problem with the valve, i do remove to put the sealant in. But if you run latex tube tubulars the sealant does attack the tube over time, 6-12 months later so that is a def a negative.
veloflex open clincher with 0.5mm anti puncture strip and tubolito or even better ,ridenow polymer inner tubes . 85 psi front 95 rear , tub feel zero punctures since 2016.
Just rip the flat tyre off and stretch on the spare one. I don’t bother taping or gluing as long as you don’t push it in the corners it will stay on. If was pushing I would put tape on.
For sure, remove the tyre, remove the tape, or glue (using a hairdryer/heatgun) but be careful, just enough to soften the glue so you can use a rag to wipe it off (no need to remove all, just the excess). Then store in a cupboard on a coat hanger. Remember if you have had sealant in it this may not work as the sealant could stick the tube inside.
Great vid. Very helpful to a new cyclist like me. I just received a 25yo bike that has tubulars. Was wondering if i should convert to clinchers coz my other bike has clinchers. Now i know i can just stick with tubulars. Would i also have to take some glue with me when i ride incase i have to use the spare tire?
No i don't, you can take some tubular tape if you feel like, some people glue the tyre and fold it on its self. I have a video how to fold. Once the tyre is inflated it will stay on, just don't push hard in the corners and it will get you home so you can then fix properly. But most of the time take out the valve, pop sealant in, it is fixed. Remember cheap tubulars like conti sprinters, don't have removable valves. Don't buy these tyres and you will be 95% of the time good with sealant.
@@waynosfotos really appreciate your help and the quick response. When i get home, do i just properly glue my current tryes (does putting the sealant consider the tyre fixed) or would i have to replace it with a new one?
@@_axp if the tyre holds your normal pressure just keep riding on it. Of course if you changed the tyre, glue/stick it on as it is not stuck. Don’t put sealant in until you have a flat as with latex tubes it slowly attacks the inner tube
To be honest, i have only used stans, but i would imagine other brands would work too. But be careful mixing them as some are latex based and other glycol based. I don't think they will mix to well.
Do you put the whole bottle (2oz) of the stans in the tubular? How long do you ride on a tubulars repaired by latex? Have you ever used this twice on one tubular over its life? Thanks
Yes as the pressure in the tyre pushes in all directions holding the tyre on. BUT don’t push hard in corners trying to scrap the pedals as this may roll a tyre. It is just to get you home. If you want to ride and corner at race pace, best to carry some tape and put that on first. (See my other vid on putting on tape). Or pre glue the spare tyre and fold as I instructed
No,it isn’t-it might come off when you go round the corner..... BUT there’s kinda liquid red glue,if you you use that,most of the glue will still remain on the rim and that will secure the new(better carry a used tubular with you,because that one has already been stretched out and will be easier to put on!) tubular There’s no better “feeling” and rolling of the tyres than Vittoria tubulars! That’s why most of the riders yesterday in Flanders had these tyres in use!🤙
Good to know., a font of cycling knowledge as usual - thank you. BTW, given your views using sealant post puncture as an effective ‘fix’ how about using sealant all the time in ‘tubs? Food for thought.....
I use to do this and found the sealant over time attacks the inner tube 6 to 12 months causing an internal failure of the tube. So i now only put it in when i get a flat.
@@waynosfotos I concur, I used to use Air b latex tubes for xc racing with some sealant, when they do eventually go it's quite a loud and messy all or nothing affair that reminded me of a girl I once knew 😏
I use to put the sealant in when fitting the tyre, but i have now changed my process, as the sealant does deteriorate the latex tubes over time, then the tyre fails. I now only add the sealant when i get a flat. Hope that helps. Cheers 👍
Stan is terrible for latex tubes. It will glue your tubes when the tire deflates so you have to throw your expensive tubular away. In a bigger tube, it will form a latex ball inside your tube and clog the valve. Only worked for me with Butyl
Carry a scrap of old nylons, just run around the inside of the tire, it will find any thorn or wire, and handle any dust. Clincher change takes less than 5 minutes and the tube is super small. Clinchers for the win!
I like the nylon idea, brilliant, but the myth tubulars are more faff is just not true now we have the mounting tape, you could even use the tape on the side of the road if you cared too. I have a clincher rain bike with high end clinchers on and so far they have been more trouble. But everyone to their own opinion and choice. Clinchers i do agree are the best all round system today for general use bicycles. The biggest problem for tubulars today is availability.
Wish I could justify buying a set of tubular wheels for shorter rides. They don't seem harder than when tubeless goes wrong but it looks a bit expensive to get a puncture.
Tubulars are too much hassle for miniscule gains. Just stick to clinchers with inner tubes. You'll never get stranded 100 km from home in the middle of nowhere.
@@waynosfotos You are tempting me to try sewups before they get too niche. Everyone is telling me they are expensive, PITA to deal with and no real gains vs decent clinchers. I'm on fence just out of interest. Who knows how long tubs are around and who knows how long I can swing leg over bars. If T's aren't for me or they have no sensible advantage over C's at least I would know for sure.
@@event4216 I don't think Tubs are much more expensive than clinchers and no more expensive than tubeless. It is the setup that is the issue as you need tubular rims, but you can pick them up second hand pretty cheap now so worth a try. I run them always and they are no hassle.
Thanks for giving me more faith in my tubulars!!
Fantastic. Never stopped riding tubulars, having started doing so around 82' 😅. Cool to see a video validate what I've stated for years i.e., it's easy to change a flat. (Guarantee the 30-something naysayers don't even use tubulars.) The old SOP I learned was, you glue the tires on your road training wheels "half-ass" like as in, it takes 5 minutes and it's therefore easy to change. (On an old rim with built-up glue, they will set very firmly anyway.) Race and track wheels get the full-welded procedure of course. Just used the sealant hack on a CX tire. Perfect. Tufos don't even have a latex tube so in that case you can pre-load the tire with sealant.
I rarely get flats on my tubulars never a pinch flat and that's with 38 years of riding them. I carry around a container of Vittoria pitstop and that works great! In fact I just went 9700 miles in between flats with them! Thanks for doing a piece on tubulars they get such a bad rap all the time!
Me neither, now I said that..... Whoops 😬
Wow. That’s incredible.
Agreed, I’ve been riding 40 years and always used to use tubulars for say the first 20 odd years, just sort of fell into clincher but now I’m going to go back to tubulars, there’s some real bargain wheelsets to be had with new riders falling for tubeless, I’m just looking at videos brushing up on old skills 😊
Glad you had good experience with Pitsop. I have not. I found it sprays out all over the place about half the time so I quit carrying it. Like getting pranked with silly string on the side of the road.
The riders that grouse about sewups most likely have never used/ridden them. Usually they repeat myth and phony lore. If you go with any tire system, you must fully commit to that particular platform. Tubulars really are the fastest, safest, and most reliable tires available.
Tubs plus sealant could be the way to go. Much lighter wheels as well.
Vittoria make a sealant called Pitstop. Works really well .
Tried these pressure type repair sealants. Not so much of a fan, like to install the liquid, pump up and spin the tyre.
Sealent works for me but I carry a spare tub and pirstop just in case
I was thinking that tubulars are complicated, but tubeless is nightmare
I have tubs on my gravel bike and carry sealant. Must look into getting one of those containers, seems like a good backup plan. I’ll just stick a road tyre in it though. 👍
I hate changing clincher tyres.IMO it is way harder. Sometimes takes ages to get certain tyres on and off. I have changed a clincher only to find another puncture.Not to mention pinching tubes with the inevitible explosion.I ride veloflex Ardenberg with sealant already inside.Sweet ride that clinchers cannot compare. Thanks for the vid...I use Caffelatex by Mariposa...
changing clinchers makes ur hands dirty...
You mean Arenberg
Would you suggest putting the sealant in before a puncture? So if it happens, it would fix itself
Would you recommend using rim tape to repair roadside? because just the tire pressure holding it on the rim makes me a bit nervous it will fall off.
If you carry spare tubular tape, how safe is to use it without cleaning the rim?
Go pack some alcohol wipes. Wipes can help clean up the dirt and tape residue in a pinch.
So true ! I can repair a tub,quite the process getting in there and then leaving it tidy,if not careful you will get a little bump 🤨🤷♂️
For sure, i could never master it.
Nor could i find videos on how you do it. 😥
Before you put the tube in you run your fingers around the inside of the tyre so that if there's broken glass stuck in there you'll know it when you see the blood.
Current tubulars coomonly have a latex inner tube and due to that not all sealants are fit for them, would You mind saying which sealants are safe for tubs with latex inners?
I use stans, but this does deteriorate the tube over time, but it is like 6 to 12 months so that doesn't bother me. This is why i don't put the sealant in till i get a flat. There is none latex sealants, but i haven't tried them.
Vittoria pitstop is made for those purple latex inner tubes they use in the Vittoria CX line.
I used to work at a bike shop people would bring them in for repair it the fast ride yo can get from a tire think it was 115psi most use clinchers now
So you don't glue your tubs on the side of the road just put em on and off you go?
Yes, this is common practice for tub repairs. If you use tape, it can be easily done on the side of the road.
If you strip off the punctured tubular can the new tyre be fitted on the rim on top of the old glue as a way of getting home? I only run tubulars and have never had a puncture, but I’d like to be fully prepared for the worst!
Yep, that is exactly what you do, the tyre pressure holds the tyre on the rim. Just don’t go hammering around corners and scraping pedals. You don’t need the glue to stick the tyre on to get home.
@@waynosfotos thanks 👍
Don’t you need glue to refit a new tubular?
Not if you are just riding home or you can use tape. Normally you pre glue them so they have some adhesion.
Had bad experience with sealant on tubs. Yes it seals small punctures and your valves too, two of my friends had sealants on their tubs, had to replace them coz they cant pump air anymore.
Never had a problem with the valve, i do remove to put the sealant in.
But if you run latex tube tubulars the sealant does attack the tube over time, 6-12 months later so that is a def a negative.
veloflex open clincher with 0.5mm anti puncture strip and tubolito or even better ,ridenow polymer inner tubes . 85 psi front 95 rear , tub feel zero punctures since 2016.
Do you need glue out on the road?
No
GTN did a video of Matt changing a tubular mid ride, with a bit of practise its really not too hard.
I assuming a decent seamstress could repair a tubular.
if you get a flat mid ride that a sealant can't handle, do you have to strip and reapply new glue/tape for the new tire?
Just rip the flat tyre off and stretch on the spare one. I don’t bother taping or gluing as long as you don’t push it in the corners it will stay on. If was pushing I would put tape on.
If I want to change to other tyres, can I remove my tubular tyres and store them for future use? Will the tyres still be usable after removing?
For sure, remove the tyre, remove the tape, or glue (using a hairdryer/heatgun) but be careful, just enough to soften the glue so you can use a rag to wipe it off (no need to remove all, just the excess).
Then store in a cupboard on a coat hanger.
Remember if you have had sealant in it this may not work as the sealant could stick the tube inside.
Do you have to use the tube for the sealant or without it is ok also? And where to get that tube? Thanks!
The tube is just to make it easy to get the sealant in without making a mess. 👍
Hardware store
@@waynosfotos thanks. Do you know the diameter for that tube?
Great vid. Very helpful to a new cyclist like me. I just received a 25yo bike that has tubulars. Was wondering if i should convert to clinchers coz my other bike has clinchers. Now i know i can just stick with tubulars. Would i also have to take some glue with me when i ride incase i have to use the spare tire?
No i don't, you can take some tubular tape if you feel like, some people glue the tyre and fold it on its self. I have a video how to fold. Once the tyre is inflated it will stay on, just don't push hard in the corners and it will get you home so you can then fix properly. But most of the time take out the valve, pop sealant in, it is fixed. Remember cheap tubulars like conti sprinters, don't have removable valves. Don't buy these tyres and you will be 95% of the time good with sealant.
@@waynosfotos really appreciate your help and the quick response. When i get home, do i just properly glue my current tryes (does putting the sealant consider the tyre fixed) or would i have to replace it with a new one?
@@_axp if the tyre holds your normal pressure just keep riding on it. Of course if you changed the tyre, glue/stick it on as it is not stuck. Don’t put sealant in until you have a flat as with latex tubes it slowly attacks the inner tube
@@waynosfotos thanks again for the quick response. Keep up the good work. I will be watching as one of your new subscribers 😉
Using sealant will make it impossible to inflate the tyre in the future. The sealant seals up the valve.
No it doesn't, even if it does, removable valves are exactly that, just pop a new one in.
is it safe to fill up the tubs mounted on the rims while having valve extenders on? thanks mate
For sure, that is a valve extender in the video, still riding it today from this fix.
@@waynosfotos thanks, does any tubeless sealant works or only the specific ones u showed in the video?
To be honest, i have only used stans, but i would imagine other brands would work too. But be careful mixing them as some are latex based and other glycol based. I don't think they will mix to well.
Great video! I'm about to buy a buy of tubular wheels and this vid makes me feel much more confident, coming from the world of clinchers. Well done
Ride tubulars exclusively, not the hassle that people go on about. Actually the pro mechanics prefer working with them.
Do you put the whole bottle (2oz) of the stans in the tubular? How long do you ride on a tubulars repaired by latex? Have you ever used this twice on one tubular over its life? Thanks
30 to 60 ml at a time, can re fill at a later date, just like any tubeless. The sealant inside will fix future punctures.
is it safe to ride a tubular without having it glued?
Yes as the pressure in the tyre pushes in all directions holding the tyre on. BUT don’t push hard in corners trying to scrap the pedals as this may roll a tyre. It is just to get you home. If you want to ride and corner at race pace, best to carry some tape and put that on first. (See my other vid on putting on tape). Or pre glue the spare tyre and fold as I instructed
No,it isn’t-it might come off when you go round the corner.....
BUT there’s kinda liquid red glue,if you you use that,most of the glue will still remain on the rim
and that will secure the new(better carry a used tubular with you,because that one has already been stretched out
and will be easier to put on!) tubular
There’s no better “feeling” and rolling of the tyres than Vittoria tubulars!
That’s why most of the riders yesterday in Flanders had these tyres in use!🤙
At 8318 forsee dr. And 9350 Espada rd.
In the past I used to patch them myself.
Good to know., a font of cycling knowledge as usual - thank you. BTW, given your views using sealant post puncture as an effective ‘fix’ how about using sealant all the time in ‘tubs? Food for thought.....
I use to do this and found the sealant over time attacks the inner tube 6 to 12 months causing an internal failure of the tube. So i now only put it in when i get a flat.
@@waynosfotos I concur, I used to use Air b latex tubes for xc racing with some sealant, when they do eventually go it's quite a loud and messy all or nothing affair that reminded me of a girl I once knew 😏
@@jonnythelegs2597 lol
@@waynosfotos Thanks for the response and tip! Great stuff!
@@jonnythelegs2597 Thanks for letting me know - cheers!
So you put the sealant in before you ride or only when you get the flat?
I use to put the sealant in when fitting the tyre, but i have now changed my process, as the sealant does deteriorate the latex tubes over time, then the tyre fails. I now only add the sealant when i get a flat. Hope that helps. Cheers 👍
@@waynosfotos how long would it take for them to degrade you think?
I find using veloflex tyres around twelve months, then the tyres start to fail.
Agree me too..I find sealant already in the tub just makes a mess an harder to apply a patch over the outer casing 👍🏻
Stan is terrible for latex tubes. It will glue your tubes when the tire deflates so you have to throw your expensive tubular away. In a bigger tube, it will form a latex ball inside your tube and clog the valve. Only worked for me with Butyl
So you did not show how the fix it on the road :-/
Carry a scrap of old nylons, just run around the inside of the tire, it will find any thorn or wire, and handle any dust. Clincher change takes less than 5 minutes and the tube is super small. Clinchers for the win!
I like the nylon idea, brilliant, but the myth tubulars are more faff is just not true now we have the mounting tape, you could even use the tape on the side of the road if you cared too. I have a clincher rain bike with high end clinchers on and so far they have been more trouble. But everyone to their own opinion and choice. Clinchers i do agree are the best all round system today for general use bicycles.
The biggest problem for tubulars today is availability.
I take it by the jersey you're a durian fan?
Us fellow aussies need to stick together. 👍 🤣
Tubular tires must sit for at least 24hs before riding them, so there’s a tradeoff in safety here too.
Only if you glue them.
@@waynosfotos not gluing them doesn’t seem very secure. Or is it? Also, the 24hr rule also applies to adhesive tape.
But, let’s be fair too: Tubular tires aren’t as prone to punctures as clinchers. I guess you briefly mention it on the video too.
Tublars don't puncture as often either . No pinch flats
True, no wrong tube installation or pinched flats. So a lot more reliable.
actually
Why ? Too expensive i cant afford a team car and extra wheels. I just use tubeless tyres.
Whaaaat?!
And you call yourself “Retro Dude”?! 🤣💦
@@domestique3954 yeah, tubeless tyres have been around for ages. I’m retro not ancient history
Wish I could justify buying a set of tubular wheels for shorter rides.
They don't seem harder than when tubeless goes wrong but it looks a bit expensive to get a puncture.
Actually
Carrying a toolbox in a bottlecage is not really an option, if you have decently warm summers and do more than riding to the coffee shop.
Saddle bag? Feed bag? Top tube bag? Frame bags .....sooner be tooled up unless you are followed by that team car 🤷♂️🤣👋
Tubulars are too much hassle for miniscule gains. Just stick to clinchers with inner tubes. You'll never get stranded 100 km from home in the middle of nowhere.
You couldn't believe...but there are people who go on rides without carrying spare inner tube or even patches.
They are not that uncommon. They rely on the others to support them.
You can carry a spare tire, or sealant, but to be honest, i hardly ever get a puncture.
@@waynosfotos You are tempting me to try sewups before they get too niche. Everyone is telling me they are expensive, PITA to deal with and no real gains vs decent clinchers.
I'm on fence just out of interest. Who knows how long tubs are around and who knows how long I can swing leg over bars. If T's aren't for me or they have no sensible advantage over C's at least I would know for sure.
@@event4216 I don't think Tubs are much more expensive than clinchers and no more expensive than tubeless. It is the setup that is the issue as you need tubular rims, but you can pick them up second hand pretty cheap now so worth a try. I run them always and they are no hassle.