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This is a great little setup and the Headway's are safe and reliable cells. Those buss bars look NICE too. Parker did these using the empty battery cases, that's a dope method too. Those are probably hard to come by right now though. Looking forward to more lithium in the future, like maybe BMS'? Yeah boi 👍
Oh yeah bms is coming! All the little parts are kinda hard to come by at the moment, but I’m totally happy with these bus bars
@@HifiVega I have 96 cells that I bought for my wall build and I am in desperate need of knowledge on a couple things and am more than willing to pay whatever for the advice and time. This is my first time using lithium and my first wall build at the same time and have done a ton of reading for the past year and a half but can’t seem to find certain answers. I told Sparked Ed someone in the car audio community needs to start a side hustle where people could email to set up a time block for a phone conversation where people that aren’t pros could ask questions or advice maybe throughout a build, upcoming purchase, where to buy certain things, home audio, enclosures, etc. It’s not always easy searching out the answer to a specific question and I have spent HUNDREDS of hours on videos and reading. I work 65 hrs a week and my time is worth more than you could ever imagine. Please help me or help me find someone interested in helping me. I’m not talking waste your time money either.
@@MattCavazos you can shoot me an email hifivega@gmail.com with your questions and I’ll try to answer the questions I can
@@MattCavazos Matt, there's an army of people that can help with questions. Some that have some seriously extensive knowledge in audio. I wouldn't call myself an expert, but can certainly hang with the best when it comes to install, setup and tuning. I'm no enclosure or equipment guru, but I know my way around car audio. The jack of all, if you will. I will also provide info and/or help. My email is my full name, as seen here, at Gmail. Holler if you need help, I'm also building my first wall, and have experience with the Headway (probably the same 96ah from battery hookup). Lots of info to share if your interested.
@georgesrisomsak9650 Hey there. I'm superheated to the party, but I built 2 banks similar to Parker and I'm having trouble with rather or not to run them with my AGM or not?
I used a dewalt toolbox for my 96ah headway bank. I even put two pc fans in the box to keep it cool. Of course one fan is blowing in and one is exhausting
Great simple video! I love videos like this because it keeps you from overthinking a process.
Of course there are always variables to consider relevant to your specific build
Thanks Will!
1:08 confused can u help @@HifiVega
No time frame to give but I have a thing I would like to show u and figure out how to hook up
Think I’m going this route for my set up. Highly appreciate your informative videos 🙌🏽
I'm confused about hooking 2 positive and 2 negative on the same bar. Won't that short out?
@@jeremyrice5724no
@@jeremyrice5724not unless the circuit is complete
Thanks! Great vid.
I’m always scared of lithium batteries but now I know better how to assemble them.
Thanks! and tbh I was/am also leary of lithium still lol
@@HifiVega
I was thinking if putting a fuse on each cell would be ok or overkill.
@@Bassotronics probably overkill I'd just use a good bms
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Good video man! This will make the novice basshead feel comfortable doing DIY Lithium!
Only thing you can explain next would be how to wire up the BMS ! Can’t forget those little guys !
Yep that’ll be coming in the future fo sho
Did you make the video on how to wire up the BMS
Very cool. Hopefully big d will share his lithium upgrade soon too. I would usually charge them to 3.55 when in parallel it's hard to know how full the battery is just by voltage. I've gone from a decent little 64ah to almost 300ah this last yr. Lithium is def fun stuff. When you need big sustainable power or not. Now I'm building an battery system for the house lol
D is already putting his bank to use, but I’m sure he’s gonna show it off soon.
Another great video brother. May the New Year bless you beyond measure.
I'd definitely love to see some testing.
it's coming fo sho!
Lookin mighty fine Happy NewYear HifiVega
Nice....I like the compact size. I'm already trying to stuff 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bucket. I got barely enough room for a capacitor bank behind my passenger seat.
yep. its small light and cheap!
@@HifiVega My only problem is my JS alternator charges at 15v. Is there wiggle room in the voltage or is the 14.6 max?
@@MullinPerformance actually you probably need to look into different cells because I wouldn't charge these over 14.6 myself
Put some lock washers on those bolts when you pull the bank back apart,then you don't have to use locktite
Think Im going to build 4 of these, and put them series for a 48v 16ah Ebike battery
Did these come from E Dud Rob? Great video. Thorough and Audible. Fantastic Quality
They came from battery hook up
Ok so that was very helpful but i do have one question, how do you calculate the Ah of the bank? I could be over thinking it but figure I'd ask.
Nice! I have 24 of them and I bought 4 extras because well just in case and then the just in case happened I dropped a screw between two of them it was an awesome smoke show😂
Yeah man these boys got dat fire if you wanna play lol
Looking good man! Love the content keep killing it!!! ( and build these and sell these to people!!) Its not nearly as easy as you make this out to be... for everyone... my man !
Also please remember there are TONS of other things people should know about this technology 🤔
I've been trying to gather up the money and the nerves to purchase and build one of my own but your video definitely gave me the can-do attitude😁😁. Any suggestions on some budget-friendly matters ❓
There are a lot of budget friendly cells out there. If you’re on Facebook there are a few great groups to check out
Instructions from a battery building pro awesome..
Great video. One thing you forgot to mention is how many watts it can handle.
Is there a reason why you didn't locktight the m6 screws? I think the low hold kind would be appropriate in a bass heavy environment. 👍Great video as always.
I would have used loctite for sure, but I wanna pull this bank apart for further testing later and it's gonna be used on the test bench for now
Nice job,I used project db for my lishen bank..great job
What's up HiFi I have a c-max out of a Ford fusion hybrid that I'm building for my truck I have a bunch of agm's right now I keep it on chargers but my voltage still drops like crazy but bounces back instantly but loved the show keep'em coming I'll keep watching from Cincinnati
cmax is beast!
Would a set up like this power a 3000watt amplifier? I’m debating on getting a lithium set up but curious as to how I can find out what exactly I need to power my amp. Also can this be connected to my truck battery and charge the same with the alternator?
This can run inline with a factory charging system and for 3000 watts I’d consider at least 24ah if not 32ah
Great video. Very helpful. I've got 8 cells myself. 4 new 4 used. Not sure if it's a good idea to mix new and used.
Do I need a battery isolator for my AGM battery upfront and Headways in the cargo area?
I’m not sure about mixing new with used and I also use an isolator even if they’re both agm or flooded
Can it be hooked up with the regular car battery for car audio
Great video. Have you seen the recoil audio 6.5s $40 set . Surprisingly good build quality. Would love see reviews for some recoil audio
I seen em they look like a interesting set
@@HifiVega I ordered few set but not tryed them yet also ordered there powered 12 subwoofer , and looking at there amps rated 1200rms for under $130 I not ordered the amp yet but I did order there 3.5 midrange for $80 sopose be a sq midrange. . seems to be building out to complete brand .
Great job. I love the Headways and the Project dB bars. I built a 40ah bank awhile back to use on the bench.
I’ll be doing some further testing with this little bank for sure
@@HifiVega Makes a sweet little car jump starter as well.
Great video HiFi. As for the bus bar site..went there to order the 64ah and they dont ship to Canada ! That sucks !
Thanks! I feel bad for you Canadians sometimes because its incredibly expensive to ship there from here and sdometimes you guys have something I want that cost a ton to ship lol
Feel free to contact project db on Facebook or on the site. i do ship to Canada but the site is for USA only since shipping is included.
Grate set up. What is the charge current for these? Will a 100amp + alternator over charge them?
I believe the charging capacity for a single bank is 2 amps so this can handle 120 amps of charging
@@HifiVega ok cool. So in theory for a light system 1000-1500 watts this would be a great secondary battery bank if maintained with a lithium charger. And an alternator not over 120 amps.
@@dannyclark9820 yep
What are the limitations of 18650INRs when building a 12V pack. Never seen these cells before.
How big of an amp is a 16ah headway good for?
Awesome video! definitely shed some light on headway lithium banks. So how many watts RMS will that 16ah bank support? Trying to decide if I wanna go lithium and how big.
Thanks! It’s more about amperage than watts and this 16ah pack is good for about 150 amps
@@HifiVega if I have a 1,500 watts rms amp how many ah I need?
@@myrontaylor77 I think you have to figure out how many amps your amp pulls . I think my 3k pulls 220 amps at full power so 1500 is at half
Great video
Thanks
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Mr Berg!
Great video man
Appreciate ya!
I was wondering if you could show us how to build a lithium battery for a motorcycle I have a 2021 Harley Davidson Rd. glide to purchase it is just crazy expensive
So can you run lithium and again together in parallel? I'd like to have something like that as a secondary battery on top of my xs power xp3400.
First of all thank you very much for yet another extremely professional and informative video. Question; you mentioned that you bought the lithium batteries used, I’ve yet to come across this type of battery for sale new or used…and I haunt Offerup and such…where did you find these? TY SUB’d. Peace out..:)
Www.Batteryhookup.com
So this kind of set up can be used as a second battery in the car? Would this be useful for someone like me who's only running around 1200 watts?
yessir this is compatible with your stock charging system
@@HifiVega guess I have to figure out how to afford this! Sounds like I may need a Hifi Vega big three kit after all 😂
These are indeed great cells, however... DONT OVERCHARGE THEM!!!
I had a 96ah bank, and it was incredibly powerful, but I made a major mistake. I charged the pack to 16 ish volts for a couple hours, unintentionally of course. It leaked lithium electrolytes, smelled like sweet ammonia, and became unstable and dangerous.
Sooo, I took the the ol AK to it, just to see what happens when charged and instigated.. lol! Can be scary stuff! Vids are on my channel. Anyway, 14.6 max, 14.4 for longevity. With strong alt power, this small battery can hold off a 3k amp, no problem.
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What if the alt puts out 15v at first start for a few mins before dropping down to 14.4 to 14.6 14.7?
@@xBLACKxOPSxSECRETSx2 over time, repeated overcharging will shorten life and do irreversible damage to the cells, causing loss of capacity and performance. I would recommend getting into lto, like lishen, ying long. If you can get control of your alternator, they are happy around 15.3-16+. Headway is by far cheaper, very strong and is unbeatable in price to performance/value ratio. MAX though is 14.6. any more than that and your hurting the cells.
@@xBLACKxOPSxSECRETSx2 just put in a switch. Keep it turned off until the alternator voltage drops after initial startup then just flip the switch
Can you run this on stock alternator if you have big three
I learned a lot thanks
Awesome. It doesn’t seem so scary to me now !!!!
How do you charge it? Can it be connected to the alternator?
Yea this can charge at normal battery voltages like an agm or a flooded battery
Could I lay all 8 in a row and wire them correctly that way
🔴 will this size battery set up be good for a 8,000watt amp and 370amp alt system.
I have a 64ah headway lithium bank on my system can I build an use this battery for my 12v(14.4v) replacement battery?
Nice! I'm thinking about building a 64 ah headway bank for my cars audio system. At the moment I have an agm under the hood and 2 Northstar SMSAGM80's in the trunk with a Fosgate Power T1500bdcp and Skar VXF 12. I bought 2 VXF 12's and I'll be running 2 JP23's so I definitely won't have enough reserve so I've been looking at lithium. I'm not sure if I want to do a battery delete under the hood and I've read that headways can run safely with agm's with an isolator but I've seen mixed reviews about that. Again nice bank and that was a great detailed description on the assembly.
I would run the headways with the stock agm under the hood
@@HifiVega ok cool thanks Bro!
@@HifiVega are you using a balancer or bms?
I haven't ran lithium yet. I've reinstalled some stuff and need a battery I had some old kinetik 2400s from back in the day but they set to long and I don't believe I can bring them back. I only need something for around 4 to 5000 watts. Not sure if I should do something like this or just get a couple xs power d3400s.. I definitely wouldn't mind trying something like this if I can get what I need and it be cost effective.
Let me ask you a question once you hook this into your system does it stay connected? Should you ever disconnect it?
Yes and no
@HifiVega whats the thickness of the bussbars you used on this video ? If i am using 24 cells, how would you recommend i assemble them to make up a battery ? DO you recomment a BMS or Balancer ? and based on you answer what brand and model/specs do you recommend ?
For 24 cells you’d want a minimum of 1/4 aluminum bus bars imo. These custom bars are much thicker and overkill in most cases, but make it easier for future connections. If you top balance them you can get away without a balancer, but you’d wanna check them periodically. If you wanna just have a one and done solution you can pick up a cheap active balancer like this one
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@@HifiVega what configuration would you advise to build the 24 cell battery ? can you kindly show a video or diagram aimed at a beginner , thanx
Are you going to cover what this size battery will support....I see alot of guys scared to death to assemble a bank or 2 but don't have the cash to buy prebuilt like xs or d4s...
Yes that’s something I will be doing with this bank
I just bought a battery charger at Walmart that charges up to 30amp and says it will do lithium batteries to for $99 seems like a good deal to me.
Can this batterij used for car audio like this how you made it to 13.8volts
how do you figure out the AH with the cells?
it would have been helpful if you included where you purchased the components. I dont see any links to it in the description
batteryhookup.com/
No separation between any of the cells, or the parallel packs? No covering over the aluminum blocks? I'm seeing less than an inch of space to bridge with any metal object and then you've got a very high amperage short, because of how powerful those cells are. I mean, they "look" cool like that, but it's a very unsafe build if left unprotected.
This battery will have an enclosure this video was only meant to show someone how to assemble a bank
You sound lonely lol
Top balancing batteries is when you connect all the positives together and all the negatives together and then charge it to 100%. The reason why you do this is because the cells become out of balance at 100% and at 0%. Most people want to operate there batteries at 100% so you top balance instead of bottom balance. What you did was just balance the cells. Usually cells are shipped at 50% charge. You also want a BMS and active balancer installed or you can have some runaway cells. That won't be a good day
“Conductive right at the TIP”
Same 😅
Would make a good adult film title. "Conductive at the tip" staring ya boi 😆
Hey yo!
So I made one but everytime I connect an amplifier to it no power. Any suggestions
How much cells would I need for a ~50 ah "battery" at 14.4?
28 for 56ah
What is the deference in 38120 vs 40152
Why use one over the other
Great video. Batteries are $4 right now and the 48ah frame with busses is only $7! I bought 24 batteries and a frame, can't wait!!
Nice!
How manny watts is it good for ?
Where did you get the batteries and buses from bro
From where?
I plan to add the same 16ah lithium on a stock 140a alt in parallel with a agm battery that is under the hood, but i still have some questions does the lithium bank has to be charged at 14.5 (alt voltage) before i add it to my car audio system? Do I need to use a isolstor?, the lithium pack can be 24hrs on the truck or it has to be disconnected? my major concern is safty considering my car is daily use.
With a 16ah bank it won’t be a huge issue running them inline without pre charging them. Adding an isolator is mainly up to your personal preference. It can be a bit of an extra safety measure. Outside of that these cells are relatively safe just make sure they’re in an enclosure so the pos and neg aren’t easily accessible for something to fall on them
You need to look into the acrylic case for those from LAF Audio👍its made for the project db bars too.
I bet you prob already have one😂😂😂
That’s what I meant to say instead of Coventry and that’s what I linked in the description lol
@@HifiVega I've talked the guy at LAF about a case for mine but the layout has him all messed up😂😂😂I found a girl here in oklahoma city that has a laser table and can cut up to 1/2 acrylic
Congratulations. Can it be charged without bms
Yes it can
@@HifiVega and they will all balance charged? Up to 13. something volt or 16v?
@@HifiVega sorry u already said it can be charged to 14v. But if I can't get headway cell the caps u used can I still get the same result with any other cell and what alternative can I use as caps?
I thought 8 of them = 24v if they are 3.2v apeace?how do you get 12v?
How much for that battery bank?
Thank You for sharing. How tall is this on the long side? Does this have to be ventilated? Im planning to build one and install it under the spare tire off the trunk. Im restricted to about 6inches on height.
It is roughly 10x7x3
Thank You
What is the dimensions of this 4s2p complete with bars?
I'm having a hard time finding out. I want to order some of these but need to find the size. I want to build 8s1p and should be the same size
What are your thoughts on using a bms for lithium batteries?
I think a bms is a good thing depending on your application. With the large draws in car audio a proper bms would be cost prohibitive because you need a higher output amperage capacity
@@HifiVega The vast majority of my use will be 50 Amps or less at any given time, likely between 12 and 20 amps per hour. At least until I eventually run a small ac unit and ac lighting on a second battery bank, which will be about 55 amps per hour. At most. The second bank will eventually be around 300 Ah.
@@douglasvamateurradioandmore if you’re amperage draw is that low I highly recommend a quality bms then
Thank you brother ..
Can you just hook this up to a main lead acid starting battery..??? With stock 130 amp alternator..???
Yea you can
How many watts does this set up handle, I'm looking into building the same for 3500 watts.
I would go to 64ah for that much power
@@HifiVega Thank you , I'll start looking into headway
If anyone has a 64ah setup already for sale or where to buy it set up , please let me know
how many cells would I need to push an 8k amp in my semi
I use a 32 ah 16 cell bank Paralled with my XS agm 2000 powering a Taramps Bass 8k. No Issues works great. No joke. It works great without AGM. I keep AGM wired as I power two midrange and tweeter amps.
How many watts amp would this handle?
1500 ish
Can you just keep going longer to make it bigger as long as it’s in combination of 4
You’d have to get different bars, but absolutely.
@@HifiVega ok let’s say you have 16 cells so could you just keep going with 2 cells next to each other cause of the room I have only fits the width of 2 cells or how would you connect 2 banks of 8 without going wider just going longer. For 32 ah 2 cells wide 8 cells long work. So 8 series 2 parralkel work.
Hi great video, I made a 12.8V-14.2V using LiFePo4 4S BMS 20AH for my motorcycle which uses 7AH LeadAcid, but as soon as I selfstart the motorcycle the BMS got damaged, what can I do to avoid that in future, LiFePo4 is expensive here. please help.
You may need a higher amperage bms
@@HifiVega used 40A BMS as well the original battery here was only 7Ah howcome 20Ah /40Ah both bms got damaged on self starting the motorcycle.
Now how do you set up the charging system for it?
This will charge the same way a normal battery would at the same voltages
So how much did all this cost ?? Was looking at the Jp lithium but wanna know what is better to go with
Roughly $200 all in on this, but you’d still want to get a case before you install it in a vehicle. That being said D4S has their branded version of the JY NXT and I think it’s a solid value at $300 for folks who don’t wanna diy lddy.no/1ht4q
@HifiVega Thank you bro ..wow 200$ ain't bad
Do you have link or links to the headway used cells that you got…?
Www.batteryhookup.com
Someone please help me , I’ve never seen or heard of this . What is this used for
How long does projectdb takes to send them out? I've ordered two weeks ago with no update. I've contacted by email, no response
It took about 4 weeks to get mine
@@HifiVega Thank you, still haven't gotten a response or a change in status on the website
I got a question what does the voltage need to be on headway cells before installing it into my car audio system?
They usually rest at 13.2-13.4 bolts as a built 4s configuration
@@HifiVega ok thanks
How do I determine my ah needs for my total car audio build. Also will a higher voltage alternator say 15-16 v negatively affect a bank like this one?
These cells shouldn’t be charged over 14.8v you should look at these cells I did a video on if you’re charging that high
th-cam.com/video/k0Hk3VE8v1w/w-d-xo.htmlsi=XFjkE__VJUBhyuqx
As far as calculating how much you need take the total amount of amperage you will be drawing and divide it by the battery amp hours x the c rating
@@HifiVega thank you Sir! Your appreciated!!
@@JAYCEE-xm5dd no problem my friend
Will this same sat up work with my synergy wfo 2.0 an a xs power D3400 or do I have to make a bigger highway cells
This would be slightly better than just adding another d3400
So does this not need balancer? If I copy this
So 2 series 4 parallel is 12 volt. So is 2 series 8 parallel still 12 volt. Thanks. Or would you have to do the 2 banks separate than connect the posives and the negative. I only have space for 2 cells side by side so trying to go long. Lol so I thought about it you would need 4 series and 4 parrallel.
You can do that you just need to have the bus bars configured correctly
I have a cutlass that came with a 78 amp alt I upgraded to a 150amp and could it be used with this big 3 welding wire 2/0 I have a taramps md 1800 on a comp q 15 ..with a yellow top ..would this be better or could I add this as a reserve or just take the yellow top out and use this ..
Add this as a reverse along with the yellow top
Where can you purchase headway and other types of cells? New to lithium and finding the source
Battery hookup
Used ones are now 5 bucks a piece.
Thanks!
What about running a balancer? I'm brand new and trying to learn!
Stayed tuned! I’ll be dropping an update Sunday
Ohhh Klein. That’s Boss
When purchasing the cells, what capacity would i need to get? 6.4-7.19ah? Looking to build a 24ah bank
The highest capacity you can afford because the lower capacity will have a reduced life cycle
Can you talk about using with an Agm bank?
Yeah these can be used with agm batteries and I’ll likely do a video on that in the future as well
I just got 12 cells. Do i need a bms balancer to run it in the car? Or is the active balancer a better choice
You can use an active balancer, but most folks just do a top balance like I did on these particular cells.
active balancer
Lithium vs ultra cap bank vs agm??
Lithium for sure . I test everything lol
no bms?
Would adding a 16ah headway, exactly like this one, be added to my 2 xs power agm d3400 batteries with a mechman 270A alternator in my Yukon. I have a 4000w amplifier? How would it benefit from adding this to my setup? Any help would greatly be appreciated
If you’re dropping voltage now it should help a little it would essentially be like adding 1 and a half group 31 agms to your current set up
Awesome!!! Thats all I needed to hear. Yes. I am dropping voltage on the deep bass. I've seen the voltage go up to 14.7-14.9. Will that hurt the cells?