Forgot to mention it, but DexNav was fire 🔥 I know OR/AS are controversial games that people often disagree on, so let's please keep things civil down here!
"It's better than Ruby and Sapphire, but Emerald is out there" is a perfect way to describe ORAS. Definitely better than the originals, but Emerald still did a lot of things better
@@jaretco6423 lol that's the reason I like hoenn so much. You don't go to a place just once and never go comeback anymore, like in Sword/Shield. It's so nice to backtrack, this makes the cities and places more alive and real, not a place that exists only to you battle a gym or get a item and fades in inexistence afterwards
@@jaretco6423 Hoenn is design very smartly. You may need to go back to a place two or three times during the playthrough, but the routes are so conected to each other that you don't need go walk so much to go to a place to another. Everything feels so natural e fluid. For exemple, if you are in Rustboro and need to go Slateport, you have the option to go through Rusturf Tunnel and take the cycling road after Mawville or you can go south through Rustboro Woods, pass Rustboro city and take Route 103 by surfing and you will be just north of Slateport. You can also be creative and reach Slateport throught the aquatic route that begins in Route 104 left Petalburg City and surf across Dewford city and Abandoned Ship. If you're in Rustboro City again and you wanna go to the Desert in route 111, you can go to Rusturf Tunnel again, go north in Mawvile and use rock smash in route 111. You can also go north and pass through Meteor Falls and Fallabor Town before getting to route 111. If you are in Lillycove City and wanna get to Slateport you can surf all the way Pacifidlog Town and go left to the rapid currents or you can take route 121, and go south in Mt. Pyre and reach the baeach near Mawville City and then go south. What I mean is if you only had one option like in a hallway design reagion, backtracking would be kinda boring, but Hoenn has so many choices on how you can go to point A to point B, that walk throught the routes and cities is a delight. In fact, in Hoenn I almost never use fly, just for the sake of running freely in the region
Yeah I'm always torn on which to play when I wa t to revisit hoenn. One day its jist going to come down to my emerald version not working anymore, the battery has already run dry too.
The ORAS gym leader redesigns were done by Megumi Mizutani, who also did Victor and Gloria for SwSh, some of the Trail Captains for Sun and Moon, and was the main illustrator of the Let's Go games.
@@eltornado7777 They really added online battles, Pokémon interaction (Amie), a whole new post game and soaring all for you guys to say boo I want to battle the same though guys over again
@@thischannelisinactiveimsor9500 I enjoyed playing ORAS alot lol juz GF could've really made it more perfect instead of rushing every games after Gen 5 soaring in Hoenn is literally like one of the most awesome feature in the game too
Going into this, ORAS were controversial games? I though ORAS was widely praised by a majority of the community. It distinguished itself with the Delta Episode, Zinnia, and the new and improved Archie and Maxie. Unlike X and Y, tons of important trainers (IE Elite 4, Rival, Evil Team Leader) were given Megas, and the games as a whole vastly improved megas for the better. Secret bases and Contests were expanded upon to the point where I actually really loved contests and Lisia. Mirage Islands were expanded upon and Tons of Legendaries were also made capturable through Mirage Islands and some special places like Sea Mauville and the newly renditioned Scorched Slab. Honestly aside from the lack of Battle Frontier, these games were premiere remakes for the series.
@@SpectacleSpark XY is fun but having recently come back to play X again, its really lacking. Too easy is a big issue. 3 pokemon per gym leader and only 4 for elite four is insulting. and the postgame content was underwhelming af. but they added some great stuff, like megas, new awesome mons, wondertrade, etc
@@ShadeStormXD Tbf I'm someone who has a hard time getting through games due to mental disabilities on progressing sadly, I think the game was pretty hard itself back then when I was a child but because I overleveled my pokemon of course it was gonna be a breeze. Honestly the game is only easy if you make it easy.
Saphire was my first game and I was excited for these games to come out and I wasn't disappointed it was fun and added a lot of new features and I got to see the Hoenn region in 3d. Overall these games are probably one of my favorites in the series
Ruby was my first pokemon game too and ORAS was definitely a big nostalgic trip! I loved it overall but like JPR said, there were some issues. I definitely didn’t like that they cut Granite Cave so short, and it’s not SUPER important but the Abandoned Ship was such a cool area to explore and I don’t understand why they changed it to Sea Mauville. I still love these games though and they are definitely overhated. However, they’re not perfect by any means, but still very fun and enjoyable 😊
i remember getting this game when i was 7, now my 3ds is broken and ill never be able to say goodbye to the game i loved so much, i get a full on tsunami of nostalgia when i watch these videos or think of this game
Ruby was my first pokemon game that was my own. before that my brother and me took turns playing sliver. I remember how cool it was to not have to share a pokemon game and focus on playing the game all the way through. I rember trying to win all of the prizes in the game corner. I never got to play emerald sadly and kinda hoped that ORAS was gonna be all the content
@@Tsukune2001 the Rayquaza quest also wasn’t in ruby and sapphire, also both teams are involved like in emerald, so which is it? Only ruby and sapphire? Or all three games?
And they oversaturated with shiny, legendary events. the legendary encounters were lazy. Other than that i would put that game above the newer pokemon games today.
@@Brain_Food- shiny events? Gen two had the shiny event. And the legendary encounters were anything but lazy lol, if anything they were a bit convoluted
One small detail I really liked about ORAS is there are now ace trainers around water routes, making those routes less repetitive and varied in terms of the pokemon you battle.
Imo it’s definitely over hated. Yeah I was disappointed with the lack of the BF, but the gameplay was a fun modern redux of the original games, Mega evolution is the best in battle mechanic we’ve had thus far, the Delta Episode was fire (albeit a bit short), and I loved all of the legendary encounters you could get in the post game.
besides the whole battle frontier thing these games are really good.. there's so much to so in them and so much added I love it... maybe it's the nostalgia talking tho (these were my first pokemon games)
This^ They could've just went with the logic "just because megas weren't in the games doesn't mean they weren't there canonically". Instead of just making a bunch of multiverses (with hoopa and megas) all they had to do was go with anime logic: just because ash didn't have megas in the original series doesn't mean that happened in an AU. With hoopa just give his portals access to anywhere in the world and maybe even the distortion world, nothing more.
At least Pokemon has a fairly good excuse for it (a weapon powerful enough to rip the one universe into two separate universes is MUCH more badass than the alternate universes just being... Introduced. With no explanation as to how they got there.)
I remember hating ORAS when it first came out cuz I was right off the heels of XY and the start of Pokémon games being way too easy, so ORAS just kept me angry with exp all and NPCs begging you to follow the linear path. But I replayed it recently and I really do appreciate all the QoL updates, redesigns, and general feel from these remakes. They’re not perfect but they’re by no means bad games.
A quick correction: New Mauville is available after fighting Primal Groudon/Kyogre. Not quite post-game, but it is much later than when it's available in the originals (after Norman). (Worse, the New Mauville Pokemon also are scaled like they're available when they are originally: The wilds are only in their mid 20s.)
ORAS single-handedly got me back into the series after going on hiatus for a few years! I LOVED it. It could've stood to have been a bit more difficult, but that's really my only complaint! I had so much fun with it. On a sidenote, it's the style I wish they would have taken the Sinnoh remakes.
Honestly Ruby/Sapphire were the first games in the main series I played, so they have a special place in my heart, which is probably why I found the remakes to be so beautiful. I remember opening the remakes and seeing the loading screen with that little water droplet cutscene. It made me teary-eyed bringing back all those fond memories
Any game that allows me to catch a Deoxys without being apart of some silly event that I had no way of doing automatically makes it one of the best Only thing missing from omega/Alpha Is the battle frontier Outside of that arguably is one of best Pokémon games of the modern age
Ruby was my first Pokémon game, and while I do enjoy these remakes, Emerald did something special by bringing both Kyogre and Groudon as well as Teams Magma and Aqua and put them all together in one mostly cohesive story
Honestly, I hate dealing with both Team Magma & Aqua because it slows the game down and I thought the whole story plot progression was absolutely stupid & meaningless. Like if u know that the world would be doomed with only dry lands or sea, than what's was the point of doing it? Where are we gonna live in our life's? How are we gonna survived without land or water? It's almost like nothing happen & totally wasted my time. I can appreciate Gen. 3 for having an main story jounrey in an Pokemon and I get what they're trying to do. But they could've done an alot better. It's really stupid IMO.
As someone who has replayed ORAS recently with no prior experience of playing the originals or even Emerald, I enjoyed it a lot for what it had like the region, secret bases, soaring (+ being able to use Fly to travel to more than just towns and cities) and the inclusion of a Mythical Pokémon battle that was previously event only. It does suck that the Battle Frontier and Gym Leader rematches were axed from the game though, because those would've made them my 3rd favorite main series Pokémon game.
I'm probably not in the majority here, but for me, that 2 year period from when ORAS came out to until SM came out was like, the peak of Pokemon in my life. Not to mention that at the tail end of ORAS's time as the current game, Pokemon Go came out too. 2014-2016 was just the perfect era. My first game was Ruby so Hoenn has a lot of nostalgia value for me so playing Omega Ruby and putting hundreds of hours into that game was nothing but a good time.
Definitely better than swore and chield thisis my first pokemon game so its my favorite but i understand why people not like it it is just my first game.
The best part about this game was they made Anabel come back in Sun and Moon Battle Tree. Was really great getting to face Frontier leader in a game with easy training
I love these games. It retold the original story very well, the new features are awesome and should return, and the delta episode is probably one of my favorite post-games ever. The only thing I was disappointed in was the battle frontier and the gym leader teams, but that’s pretty much it
I don't even know why people found the Delta Episode to be so magnificent. Including me , I thought it was the entire episode was coolest thing ever and after doing it again, I can't for the life of me understand why.
Introduced a character that people like, introduced one of the best ost’s ever made, gave you a rayquaza and introduced its mega form and you ride into a meteor to then fight deoxys and maybe catch it too. It wasn’t that long but it was a good reward for those to made it through the game.
@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou Yes but that's just the climax. The rest (and majority) of the delta episode was boring AF. Of course I do recognise its good points, but the vast majority of it was uncreative and overall a pain in the ass. Anyway, I appreciate the lore it brought to the series.
@@castform7 it’s because you ride a giant dragon into space to fight a space Pokemon Heck being able to challenge and catch a deoxys makes it fantastic
@@metaknight7117 Yes but when does that happen? At the end. The rest of the Delta Episide was boring and just a bunch of reading. I'm not gonna call it good just cause the last ten minutes were enjoyable.
Sapphire was my first Pokemon game that i owned as a kid. I played ORAS for years after release and just got into it again and the nostalgia is real. Maybe thats why it is my favorite but man i love this game
Ik this is from awhile ago, But OR was my first Pokémon game, it’s just so nostalgic for me. I genuinely think of it as the best Pokémon game, every time I go to fight Steven I get flashbacks of his terrifyingly strong mega metagross. Wallys amazing theme and powerful gallade. It’s just such a good game.
I have to agree oras was better than ruby and sapphire, but when I played emerald a couple years ago I was like people were not over hyping emerald at all. And I believe that emerald is better than oras lol. But one minor underrated feature that I like about oras is the welcome to the world of Pokemon, combines the original gba verison then transitions which is pretty epic ngl.
OR is my favorite Pokémon Game Ever, I love the Hoenn Region and Mega Evolution/Primal Reversion and finally seeing my favorite region in 3D was stunning!
I feel like people overhate this game simply because its gen 6 or the lack of battle frontier. It's a good game and solid remake IMO. Fire red and leaf green are overrated and added little to nothing from the originals.
That's a bit disingenuous, FR/LG added the Battle Tower, the Sevi Islands etc. So when you compare what Gen 1 started with, and what the Gen 3 remakes added it's by far a definitive improvement over those games. You can't really say the same for ORAS, yes new features are implemented. However overall, they take away far more than what they actually add.
@@markhunt9643 I said little to nothing. I never said Nothing at all. The remakes were inferior to the originals. Its just hypocritical how the fanbase glosses over its issues but yet they'll happily dogpile on ORAS which did a lot more than people give it credit for and didn't stop your Pokemon midway from evolving due to a problem with the game design. That's the disingenuous part. *Ahem*... Crobat for FRLG. Or the fact HGSS didn't fix the level curve.
"Heartgold and Soulsilver did it" isn't really an excuse, because what they added from Crystal was Eusine and the focus on Suicune, which is a very minimal change in the scheme of things, unlike the complete redoing of Emerald's story. Crystal was only minimally different from Gold and Silver. The Gen 2 games *BARELY* fit on their cartridges at the time, and the jump from gen 2 technology to gen 4 technology was a big one. Suddenly they had all this room left over to add a bunch of detail and little extra things. By comparison, Emerald is the first 3rd game in the series to have major changes from it's core games, there's no non invasive way to add those story changes without just making the game a remake of Emerald instead, which isn't what they wanted to do. The compromise was the Delta Episode, some after game focus on Rayquaza and nods to story beats from Emerald to make it clear they hadn't forgotten about it, which makes it on par to the Crystal additions. "But the battle frontier!" you might say, "HGSS had it, but the Hoenn remakes don't?! What gives?!" HGSS's Battle Frontier was a copy-paste of Platinum's, just like the Battle Maison is in ORAS. They would have had to rebuild the battle frontier from scratch, it's not conveniently sitting around somewhere on the ROM already like Platinum's battle frontier was. Would it have been nice of them to redo it? Yes, but that is a ton of extra work when they already have a fully functioning battle facility that *IS* just conveniently sitting around on the ROM. People praise HGSS and put down ORAS as if one had more effort put into it than the other, when this isn't true in the least.
Small emerald changes like the gym leader rematches, improved gym leader teams, mirage tower etc could’ve made it in. They didn’t have to ignore everything emerald brought to the table. HGSS just about has everything that GSC has and more making them the definitive johto games. Heck they recreated the original GSC soundtrack for a post game reward even some areas that didn’t exist in the originals got 8bit remixes. That alone is a lot of effort. Then there was the completely unnecessary pokewalker that was included with every copy of the game. Idk I feel like HGSS had a bit more effort then ORAS imo. ORAS are better then Ruby and Sapphire but ORAS vs Emerald is debatable. While HGSS is no doubt the best johto experience you can have.
@@CEDL0W Here is where I will disagree on Emerald being the definitive experience. Emerald made the story far more messy and even messes up the atmosphere a bit. They tried to squeeze two teams into a one team storyline that was created with Sapphire's story beats in mind first and foremost. Team Magma gets the main set piece in the story, the Mount Chimney fight. This, combined with their quick appearance at Meteor Falls immediately before, their base coming before Team Aqua's, and the Mossdeep Space Center fight that was added just for Emerald, the game gives the impression that you see much more of them than Team Aqua, even Battling with Maxie 3 separate times while Archie is only battled once. The two teams feel unbalanced, because the story was only ever meant to feature one as the antagonist. And because you battle Maxie and watch him awaken Groudon in the Magma base, the game no longer makes sense. The world isn't allowed to be in crisis until after the seafloor cavern, so you awaken Groudon and...Nothing happens. You go to the Aqua base, beat Matt, surf to Mossdeep, beat a gym, fight Maxie *AGAIN*, surf out to the seafloor cavern, fight your way to Archie and fight him for *THE ONE AND ONLY TIME*, he wakes up Kyogre, and then, *SUDDENLY* Groudon's drought is also affecting the world? Also, because Rayquaza now has to be involved, the atmospheric trek down to the bottom of the cave of origin with the quakes signifying the thrashing about of the ancient pokemon you're about to face in the crystal lined room is gone, replaced by a single floor and a quick, meaningless conversation with Wallace that could have happened outside and only serves to highlight what was lost. You don't even need to be the one to go after Rayquaza, Wallace could have gone and been back in the time it takes you to get back out of the cave and fly after him. Your involvement comes down to running through some dungeon floors and using fly a few times. It's boring and anticlimactic. And for those who would say that in RS the story just ends after you catch the Legendary, you can in fact fly to mount pyre and see Maxie or Archie returning the orb and talk to him, as well as choose to return your own orb. As far as other changes go, the battle tents are unnecessary and having them replace the contest halls means most berries don't have a use until almost the end of the game, lessening the overall experience of all the features Hoenn has to offer. The Mirage Tower was also an unnecessary addition, it just makes it more annoying to choose a fossil, and their placement in the original games would have actually made more sense for where the other one ends up in the desert underpass. I don't know a single person who actually did anything in Trainer Hill. It's overshadowed by the Battle Frontier like the Battle Tents, and is little more than a glorified Pokemon Center for most of the game. The only Gym Leader line-up changes that were actually worth carrying over were Wattson's and Tate&Liza's. The others added Pokemon that were little more than padding and didn't actually add anything to the fights. Winona's line up was downgraded by it, even. I will admit to the Gym Leader rematches being a worthwhile addition, though. Having the Underpass with the second fossil and ditto would have been nice too, but it's a small loss in the scheme of things. Also, having a Water Gym Leader right before a Water Champion. Steven Stone is more enjoyable to fight in the final room. All in all, of the original three, Sapphire actually makes the most sense story and pacing wise, and while Emerald had some great additions, it also messed a little too much with what was good about the first two. And by that metric, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire did a much better job clearing up and expanding upon the original story than Emerald did. They also add all the mechanical improvements that have come about in subsequent years making more Pokemon viable to use and the game overall more convenient to play. They also have additions of their own, not the least of which is a school yard rumor come true, complete with fighting and capturing an eternally available Mythical Pokemon in *space.* They say a good remake is one you'd replay over the originals. Maybe that isn't true for most people, including you, and that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. But to me, Alpha Sapphire is the definitive Hoenn experience, and not even Emerald's battle frontier can change that. They're good games, and they have every bit as much love and care and detail put into them as HGSS. You can deny it if you want, but it's true all the same.
There is only one thing wrong with the remakes: Difficulty. Especially if you have played Emerald, you're not getting epic gym fights even if you don't use strong pokemon. I started a new game a week ago and i finally found a way to make it hard: picking intentionally not so strong pokemon in the beginning like poochyena and surskit
Absolutely agreed. I wish someone would make a difficulty romhack for ORAS some day. Not as hard as something like Radical Red, but a bit tougher than Emerald and Platinum would be perfect.
@@mr.preston1632 tbh it's almost as piss easy as XY. with Exp Share on and zero grinding I was 10-12 levels above Elite 4 in XY and 8-10 levels above Elite 4 in ORAS
That's honestly a problem with every remake and bdsp is gonna have the same problem. The new moves, learnsets and convenient mprovements make the remakes more of a breeze.
While I felt FL/LG were less fun/ambitious than the originals and HG/SS were roughly as good/impactful as the originals with some cool features (though both being some of the best looking games by far), these games set the standard for how I think remakes should be. While I would say I do enjoy Emerald more (I know, that seems like a huge contradiction) as probably my favorite Pokemon game, I'd easily place these in the 3rd slot (Sun/Moon for 2nd). Finally, the game just lets you play with all the Pokemon, and properly expands the Hoenn-Dex, still keeping a well focused region which is very important. This game also hits on all the themes that the originals tackled, but in some cases much better, which really is the most important thing a Pokemon game. Outside of that things like the demo (absolutley loved that), injection of color and design (part of what made Gen III great were they were the first Pokemon games to really capture a feeling of being outdoors in nature), character fanservice, having one of the best Elite 4 run throughs and rematches, island hunting/soaring, as well as awesome contests really infected a lot of the 3DS style life into this game that's just been missing from games for a few years now. The Delta episode in particular was astounding, as this game already went underwater and in the air, but adding in going to space really made it feel like it completed Hoenn as a rejion. Honestly seeing that space station as a teenager was cool in the originals, but actually getting to go to space on Raquaza's back and fight Deoxys (which was near impossible to get where I lived) was living a Pokemon dream that I never even knew I had, blowing my expectations away in the best possible sense. Zinnia also added well to the Delta episode by focusing more on Hoenn's thematic focus and questions about people in nature so that it's not just a big dumb (but very cool) space fight. Also, because I took my 3DS to a comic convention (thankfully before Sun and Moon) my game is loaded to the brim with secret bases, which was a very sweet bonus. However, as stated Emerald is my favorite, and a big part of that is the original Battle Frontier, which I loved (the Gen IV was pretty boring for me). While the Maison is cool and has nice partner options, the original Battle Frontier is the hard pure mathematical and statistical mechanics of the Pokemon franchise refined and focused, while adding on plenty of fun twists. Given all the praise I've spouted above for what the remakes did with Hoenn, I can't help but imagine what we missed out of a revamped Battle Frontier, and what it would bring to the table. I know they said it was a difficulty thing, but I'm guessing it was actually a time thing, and I think this (along with a lack of Pokemon Z) was the actual time Game Freak should have embraced DLC. On the bright side, the other areas added are nice, and if I had to choice between a returning Frontier or the Delta Epidote, I'd absolutely pick the Delta episode since it's something new, and for the other reasons above. Frankly I do not believe in such nonsense as "A perfect Pokemon Game" or "A Golden Era of Pokemon" however, the 3DS era is certainly my favorite Pokemon era thus far, and I feel like if ORAS had all the stuff listed above AND the Battle Frontier, it would be the Pokemon game I'd be most comfortable in calling perfect. Alas, not the case, bit it's still a game I absolutely love, and as someone who's favorite region is Hoenn, I'm glad it got the remakes I like most by a wide margin. P.S. I think citing there being debate as an argument for where these games stand given the circumstances is in itself a super weak argument in and of itself.
I've replayed these games rather recently alongside the originals and I got to say, these games are a lot better than people make them seem. Sure, Battle Frontier being removed does suck but I find everything else about this game so great and the improvements of the story make it feel like this was the game they wanted the originals to be and they're really underappreciated. Lovely games that people tear apart for it's difficulty and the Battle Frontier.
@@jaretco6423 it may not be for everyone - but for us who like a challenge and competitive battling, trust me, Emerald Battle Frontier is one of the (if not THE) best experience(s) of all pokemon games.
Charlie. Eh. More power to u if u enjoy it. But personally, I prefer the Pokemon World Tournament, White Treehollow or Black Tower or any battle facilities over the Battle Frontier anyday. They're way more fun & aren't boring for me.
@@jaretco6423 I love all those facilities you mentioned too, also the very underrated Pokéstar Studios. how someone doesn't love Battle Frontier (Pyramid, Factory or Pike are awesome and there is SO much versatility a player can choose from) is beyond me but to each their own ;-)
Had gym rematches and the Battle Frontier been included, ORAS would’ve almost entirely outclassed Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald (unless you prefer the old pixel art style, which is understandable) I don’t think they were the best remakes per se, I think HGSS did that the best, but when it comes to the games themselves, ORAS is my personal favorite of the three released thus far.
It's 2022, and I'm finishing up Soul Silver for the first time. I was a gen 1 only guy forever, but rethought everything during COVID. You've convinced me to go with Emerald once i finish SS. TBH, I'm not quite ready for moving in more directions than up down right or left.
For me it's a few things, the difficulty, music, pokedex, and no battle frontier is what makes me like emerald more in hindsight. Especially the difficulty and being unable to find those extra pokemon with searchnav until postgame hurt the replayability alot. I want to use more pokemon in remakes than what's originally there and they just dont let you.
LONG RANT INCOMING! I'm about to tear the Delta Episode into shreads. If you like it or Zinnia or the multiverse thing more power to you but I don't and here's why: So a meteorite is coming and Steven and the Mosdeep space station plan to send it to another universe. Sure okay, kinda weird but I can dig it. But then we get into Zinnia. Zinnia is a nut. She goes around saying stuff she expects us to know when we're literally just good at battling Pokemon. She keeps coming to the space station spouting nonsense no one understands and saying we're idiots for our fool proof plan even though she doesn't provide her own solution. Instead she asks us for a solution even though we're a child. And guess what she does later in the story. Breaks the thing we need to send the meteorite away. She tosses away our fool proof plan even though she hasn't brought up her own solution yet. That is until we get to Sky Pillar where she finally brings up Rayquaza and how she wants to use it to stop the meteor so no one gets hurt. How hard was that to say instead of your nonsense and belittling. And when we're at the top of Sky Pillar and we hear Zinnia go on a few speals, she then knocks us out so that we could be her back up when Rayquaza comes in the daytime. Why couldn't we just wait with her for day time? Just tell us we need to wait. Why is her getting a damn point across so hard? Anyway Rayquaza comes and surprise surprise, she can't tame it and basically put the entire world in jeopardy if it wasn't for us having a meteorite in our backpack. We all didn't die cause we got lucky. We catch Rayquaza, Dragon Ascent the the entirety of Zinnia's team and go fight Deoxys. I know this story might've been told better in the manga but I should not have to look to external sources of media for a story that should've told it in the first place. Also Courtney comes at one point butthurt about Maxie and decides to have the Earth destroyed. What? And she has grunts supporting her?! Look, guys, I know she's hot but you can do better. You live here, think with the first head. And don't get me started on the multiverse shenanigans. First for story Zinnia brings up the original Ruby and Saphire Hoenn and how the meteorite will be transported there. Now, *we* know they exist but the chsracters in game should write this off because it's way too outlandish to be true snd it's not like she has much proof so it just comes off as stupid. And out of game this lead to a downward spiral of there being more and more universes to where each different cartridge of a game is another universe and to me it just became confusing. I'm kinda glad Sword and Shield was so detatched cause now there wasn't any timeline nonsense from the last few previous games. Overall I think the Delta Episode is a long talking spree that's only cool at the end and makes me wonder why I and many others liked it so much in the first place.
I always thought zinnia was supposed to be out of her mind. She seems to be having a mental breakdown the entire game, she wildly dances in battle, and is constantly talking about having lost someone. That was kind of how I justified her acting so crazy, because she was meant to be going crazy.
did you mean fool proof? sorry that just bothered me. anyway aside from that i agree. the delta episode is badly written and is mostly just a bunch of talking broken up by a few battles. the best part was fighting Wallace with his Emerald team, but frankly they could have just made gym leader rematches a thing for all leaders and done that anyway. I don't even think the end is that cool, the rayquaza cutscene is just kinda silly and im not sure why people are so hyped by it.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 Oh woops. I always thought it was full proof but fool proof is definitely how you say it. It is now edited and corrected. But yeah, the Delta episode isn't all it's cracked out to be. It probably would've been better if they just brought the stuff from Emerald. I kind of understand why people think riding on the back Rayquaza to stop a meteor is cool but I also understand why people think it's stupid.
Nah I will die on this hill to defend the Delta Episode it greatly expanded the world building of Pokémon by introducing different timelines and dimensions, it made it so you could fight Wallace again, you fight Deyoxus (bad spelling) a previously event only Pokémon in space while using Raquaza which is what all the gen 3 fans wanted because before the remakes they believed that you could go to space in Emerald kinda like how people believed in the Mew being hidden in the truck thing, if you wanna have a more challenging Zinna fight switch out Raquaza and use the other 5 Pokémon in your team nobody is stopping you, and you get to see Raquaza destroy a meteor.
My first game was Y and I could never finish it, but then I bought Alpha Sapphire back in middle school to play with my friends, and I freaking loved it. Had over 300 hours in it
The people who think these remakes are bad are just butt hurt over the Battle Frontier being cut. Least that's all I hear about. I ask other than that, what's the problem and I get answered with silence. Edit: OK I never realised how much content was cut and how much freedom was taken away. Why can't people just give me these answers instead of "nO bAtTlE fRoNtIeR?! gAmE bAd!"
You've captured my thoughts exactly on that last phrase, about how despite being good games an older version can still compare or surpass them on a lot of aspects. Also, the Delta Episode works fine for the context of mega evolution and Kalos themes, but I don't know, I've always felt that this remakes try to make a pseudo sequel to XY on the D.E. and in some cases ignore what made Hoenn so great. It's curios you didn't mention how they give so much spotlight to Brendan as a rival, yet he does absolutely nothing in the story and has no arc whatsoever besides being the moral support, and yet the character that was one of the best things the original game had to offer still has only 2 battles, yeah with a mega and all, but it was clear since the beginning who was the most interesting character out of the 2. And yet it doesn't matter how much screentime Brendan got because once the Delta Episode is finished he just sits on his house and gets no rematches or interesting dialogue, while Wally just so happens to be the one that introduces you to the Battle resort and the one you can battle with there. They just didn't know who to go with and that seriously hurts my experience, coming off from XY. And yeah, the soundtrack is great in some occasions but it doesn't have the same feel as the original, being a lot more techno and synthesized compared to the trumpets.
Another thing about Brendan was how much of a character he was. Be was cocky and borderline sexist toward May and in the remakes this is fleashed out more and comes to respect May after being put in his place. With that said May is terrible. Shes just a giggling waifu, which is a bit telling.
@@anothergamer112 Dude, I love May as a protagonist, she's my favorite part about Pokémon as a franchise, and the fact that out of the 2 she's the one that gets the worst end of the stick as a rival, only being used to be a pseudo romantic interest (just because, well, girl) and giving up on everything after her defeat in Lilycove is sad. I know how sexist Brendan can sound, literally offering to catch a pokemon for you right after admitting he expected you to be a boy, but at least he learns something, May stays the same.
Brendan wasn't really a sexist to my knowledge, especially not in the remakes. The whole "thought you'd be a boy" thing, yeah definitely but the offer to catch a Pokemon could be interpreted as a friendly offer to help you start on your journey since he does say he wants to be friends. I think he's already come to respect you by the end of your first battle at the latest as he treats you like a good friend on all of your encounters afterward. In ORAS, they even take out his most sexist line "I'm gonna fight your dad and unlike you he looks pretty tough". Even in RSE those moments were sparce and he treated you like a friend. I ORAS it's basically dead in the water. Not to say I have a problem with that. I really like the interactions with with the rival. As for May, specifically speaking with ORAS, I think she's fine. I really feel like you go from simple neighbours to best friends. I don't think it's a bad thing May stayed the same. Where she didn't grow your friendship did (same with Brendan just wanted to highlight it here). Whenever she came along I was increasingly happy to see her, as they appeared so much more in these remakes so you get to speak with them more. I really felt something when I came out of the hall of fame and saw May standing there waiting for me to go back with her. To me, she (and Brendan) was a good friend that only got better with each encounter. That's just my opinion on the 2.
@@castform7 That's a good take, and yeah, my problem is not exactly at their interactions, it's just that as characters May specially feels really shallow, and hey, Wally was way more interesting but ended up wasted sadly. And I honestly would think higher of Brendan/May interactions if only the characters had an actual growth or didn't stayed dead after the D.E.
@@marka.t.s.8344 Yeah I kind of have a bit of a problem with Wally. He was improved in the remakes but you still only have two battles with him. I would've liked to see his team make progress a bit instead of the wimpy Ralts in Mauville to an almost full team and mega Gallade but what can you do? As for May and Brendan yeah wished they had a bit more to them. The "end" to the rivalry battle and final scene in ORAS at route 103 after you become champion was really nice and made me smile but they don't do much like usual. Nothing in the D.E. One "date" at the end. And then their just bumming at their house while Wally and you go to the Battle Resort. They talk about completing the Hoenn dex and they seem to enjoy field research. Maybe they're helping Birch more with research on Pokemon habitats and raising and are working on raising Pokemon. That's the best thing I can think of for these 2.
I was hyped about these remakes back in high school and I enjoyed my first playthrough but replaying it was a slog. But now that it’s been nearly 7 years since then, I’ll actually try to go back to it.
I like these games more than pretty much every pokemon game after 2013 ( I have not played swsh). Though Im not sure how much of that is from nostalgia due to these being the games I have the most hours in (over 999:99). I have so many memories of playing these along side my friends so while my thoughts on the games are mixed, they are extremely important to me.
I was highly critical of these games on-release. Especially with the high bar that HGSS set with Pokemon remakes. Now that BDSP happened, I can look back and see ORAS for what they were. They were still very excellent remakes.
Eh, even with BDSP existing, I'm still very disappointed with ORAS. A lot of changes they made were unnecessary and they cut a huge chunk of content out. I really wish they just updated the original Magma and Aqua character designs instead of completely changing them. I always found that really annoying. I wish there were a truly definitive way to experience Hoenn and ORAS isn't even close to that.
THANK YOU FOR CALLING OUT THE DELTA EPISODE!! People continue to rave about it, and I honestly didn't think it was amazing. Great final battles an cutscene, of course, but actually playing most of it was just kind of boring. Plus, most people when discussing postgame content, this is one of the top things people want in any game. A Platinum episode in BDSP, and similar things in other games. I do but don't want just that. While it was pretty cool, in the end, it's really just more story that you'll finish. Obviously there's a separation between the main story and the post game story, but you'll still eventually finish said post game story. I don't mind that and welcome cool postgame stories, but what I really want is more content to keep me REplaying, not just playing. HGSS, for example, had the Pokeathlon with cool minigames that you could do with any Pokemon to get some neat items. Additionally, there was plenty of ribbon collecting and even the gold leaf if you care about that kind of stuff. But more than that, there were some really fun ways to train up your Pokemon for battle online or wherever. Rebattling the gym leaders on certain days for example was really fun (Grinding Blissey bases in ORAS was effective but definitely not fun). And of course, the incredibly technical, difficult, and CREATIVE battle frontier where you could actually use said trained Pokemon for something other than online. ORAS was online or battle tower clone. That was it. I just want to have stuff to do after the finite stuff like the post-game story end.
HGSS and the Black & White duology are probably the best examples of that I think has an perfected post-game content. It's not just like doing Battle Frontier in one big area ( Though unpopular opinion. But I don't care about the Battle Frontier. ) There's more to explore, battle trainers, compete other battle facilities ( which I consider to be better than the Battle Frontier. ) and other stuff to continue your quest.
I love Megas, but honestly... as much as I love designs like Mega Swampert, I would've preferred more content/replayability even if that meant no new Megas (both would obviously be great tho)
i think for me it comes down to: do you want a more challenging run and hundreds of hours of challenge mode content (the battle frontier)? play emerald do you want a more casual experience but with the superior narrative and modern game mechanics? play oras
Exactly. Not everyone cares about the Battle Frontier. I played Emerald when it came out and honestly as a kid I never even spent much time doing the Battle Frontier. Still not fussed about battling after all these years
I hated how overly young the player character looks. I know the player character is supposed to be a kid or young adolescent; however, this is is anime logic we are taking about. NO ONE looks like their actual age.
Big excited for Diamond and Pearl Remake’s stories to be remade to drag you by the ear through every route with barricades all around. It’s much easier to do as I’m told instead of exploring and thinking for myself.
This is the first Pokemon game. The game that really got me into the series and I owe it so much. That being said as I gaze upon it with my nostalgia googles pried off I see a lot more issues. Not carrying more things from Emerald and the Delta Episode are 2 big things that come to mind but I do have other issues. But I cannot for the life of me call them bad games or I have so many fond memories and there are so many little details I love and it really feels like in some places they really did care and deliver. ORAS is far from perfect or even from a true definitive version of Hoenn but I still love it.
11:51 Whoa that’s the exact description of me, cuz they were my first Pokémon game so I just kept re battling the elite four, and the games to 7 year old me at the time were godly, still are and sadly haven’t played the originals
great video!! i grew up on Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald and even though i've always dreamed of a 3d remake, when i eventually got around to this game i just fell off somewhere around Mauville. i thought all the new extra content in the late game was sweet but i just didn't care to even get there.. and a few days ago i restarted GBA emerald. i could never really articulate what i didn't love about this game bc i LOVED the previous series remakes. you did a great job putting words to the feeling hahah
Emerald definitely has it's upsides and I love it, but the quality of life updates ORAS bring make it the more replayable one imo. (I've also replayed gen 3 to death so i might just be getting bored of it lol)
These are by far my favorite Pokemon games. I played Omega Ruby. I loved the music, badass legendaries, postgame, mega evolutions, dexnav, multi-grunt battles, eon flute, exp share, diving, characters, braille decyphering, delta episode, etc. The game would be better if it were a lot harder though. But I'd rather have all that good stuff in an easy game than none of it in a hard game. Played Ruby as a kid btw.
I loved these games! It’s nostalgic for me, back when I was a little older playing Pokémon rather than just a kid. I really loved all the features they put in it.
Personally I really enjoy the games. I never really played gen 3 much having started with diamond and borrowing gold off a friend so these were my first true experience with hoenn games. Ive played them since and I definitely prefer playing oras mainly due to upgraded graphics and mechanics but they dont ruin the games like I hear some people say
Those remakes will probably be the best remakes and up the top games in the series. Emerald might be the ultimate Hoenn experience, while those are a modern approach with a wider range of availability Pokémon. I want to replay Hoenn but I'm stuck choosing between playing my Emerald or Alpha Sapphire.
I remember that i never used Mega Evolutions because it felt weird to be very strong against an opponent and still use a "quick" buff after an animation that felt to me like too long.
The Delta episode was definitely annoying, but overall OR/AS was a great experience. Better than the originals? No. But they do some things differently and i thought those differences were fun. As well as being a graphical service. Quality of life updates. If you grew up with gen 3 though, there was just something magical about playing through them the first time.
My choices for a perfect ORAS: - Gym Leader Rematches. - Battle Frontier (with the Battle Tower replaced with the Battle Maison, to forshadow Anabel's career change). - Improved Boss Trainer Rosters: Gym Leaders: Roxanne: Perfectly fine. One Geodude is enough, no need for that 2nd they gave her in Emerald. Brawly: Should've kept his Meditite from Emerald, but with a much better moveset (so not just Focus Punch for damage). Wattson: Should've used his Emerald Team, but leading with Electrike instead of Voltorb (or remove one of them, see below). Flannery: Actually has the best team in ORAS, with no repeats and 3 different Pokémon (which is why Wattson is fine with 3). Norman: Should've used his Emerald Team, but leading with Vigoroth instead of Spinda (as it fits to lead with a devolved Ace). Winona: I'd say she should use her Emerald Team without Swablu. (But I prefer Swellow over Skarmory for being from Hoenn.) Tate & Liza: Four Pokémon like in Emerald, but instead of Xatu and Claydol they use Gallade and Gardevoir. *Following Boss Trainers should have a Mega, so I'm giving them one. Even if it doesn't exist but deserves.* Wallace: Mega Milotic for both battles, and replace the Gym Seaking for a Crawdaunt, like Juan did. Elite 4: Sidney: Mega Absol in initial battle. I do prefer Emerald's Crawdaunt over Sharpedo due to Team Aqua. Phoebe: Mega Sableye in inital battle and replace one Banette with Shedinja, you coward. (Mega Banette can also work and puts it more on par with Dusknoir, but Mega Sableye wasn't in XY. Either is fine.) Glacia: Mega Glalie in inital battle and replace one Froslass with Castform, as her thing is Hail. Drake: Mega Salamence in initial battle. I do prefer Emerald's lack of 2 Flygon and lead Shelgon, though. (Final) Rematch Teams, mostly chosen from B2W2's PWT Hoenn Leaders Tournament: Gym Leaders (where only Tate & Liza stick to Doubles Battles, unlike Emerald. With one exception...): Roxanne: Golem, Aggron, Relicanth, Cradily, Armaldo and Mega Probopass. Brawly: Machamp, Breloom, Medicham, Heracross, Blaziken (instead of Hitmontop) and Mega Hariyama. Wattson (Double): Plusle, Minun, Magnezone, Electrode, Raichu (though I prefer Lanturn) and Mega Manectric. Flannery: Magcargo, Camerupt, Houndoom, Rapidash (instead of Magmortar) Blaziken and Mega Torkoal. Norman: Linoone and Delcatty (instead of Kecleon and Castform), Spinda, Zangoose, Exploud, and Mega Slaking. Winona: Swellow, Altaria, Skarmory, Pelipper, Ninjask (instead of Honchcrow) and Mega Tropius. Tate: Grumpig, Gallade and Mega Solrock. Liza: Chimecho, Gardevoir and Mega Lunatone. Wallace: Just his Champion Team. Juan: Skipping him as he doesn't appear. He could easily replace Wallace for Rematches or be a bonus boss, though. Elite 4: Sidney: Same "issue" regarding Crawdaunt vs Sharpedo. I also think Zoroark doesn't really work due to a Type Specialty. I'd say replace it with Hydreigon so he has a Psuedo-Legendary (that's also from Unova like the two other additions). Phoebe: Same "issue" regarding Mega Sableye vs Mega Banette. Prefectly fine otherwise, as Shedinja sucks lol. Glacia: Perfectly fine right away. No need for the sometimes Ice-Type Castform (and it sucks too). Drake: Perfectly fine. All strong, no repeats, one Psuedo. I would make Haxorus the lead for being pure Dragon. Steven: Skarmory, Mawile, Steelix, Scizor, Aggron and Mega Metagross. I went for this Team as I wanted an actual Mono Steel-Type Team. Not to mention his Team isn't consistent: - Aerodactyl (which is used in the Battle Maison) and Carbink replacing Cradily and Armaldo in the ORAS Rematch. - Archeops and Excadrill replacing Skarmory and Claydol in the PWT. So my choice for his team is the lead Skarmory, followed by 5 Steel-Types able to Mega Evolve (like Aerodactyl can). Still a Ground-Type like Claydol (and exactly like Excadrill), a Fairy-Type like Carbink and a Bug-Type like Armaldo. Zinnia (First): Tyrantrum, Noivern (instead of Altaria) and Goodra (instead of Salamence). Zinnia (Second): Tyrantrum, Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, Hydreigon and Mega Goodra. The first Team is the 3 Kalos Pokémon she actually uses in the second battle, while also reflecting my change in Ace. The second Team is the (up to that point) only Dragon-Type Fossil and all Psuedo-Legendary Dragon-Type Pokémon. This felt much more fitting, due to you having Mega Rayquaza. So she should have a Team of 6 Pokémon. As such, Noivern and Altaria got replaced with Dragonite, dropping her Dragon/Flying Pokémon from 3 to 2. Then a Garchomp and Hydreigon got added and Salamence lost its Ace and Mega spot due to Drake covering that. Instead, her Ace is the Goodra, which is why I replaced Salamence for it in the first battle as well desite her still using one. It made sense due to being from Kalos like most of her team (and now with just the lead) and her only pure Dragon-Type. New Mega Types and Reason: Mega Probopass: Rock/Steel. Because Mega Aggron is no longer a Rock-Type, so I had to choose the other. Mega Hariyama: Fighting/Water. Brawly does already work with Water and Hariyama can learn Surf. Mega Torkoal: Fire/Steel. As it didn't feel right to make it Fire/Rock or keep it pure Fire-Type. Mega Slaking: Normal. To keep Normal with an actual Mono-Normal Team. Mega Tropius: Grass/Flying. It fits with Fortree and Lisia took Mega Altaria (which isn't a Flying-Type anymore anyway). Mega Solrock: Fire/Psychic. Litteraly a Sun and can learn quite a number of Fire-Type moves (and Solar Beam). Mega Lunatone: Ice/Psychic. Solrock's opposite and can learn quite a number of Ice-Type moves, though not by Level Up. Mega Milotic: Water/Fairy. The already Fairy-Type looking counterpart to the Dark-Type Mega Gyarados. Mega Goodra: Dragon/Water. It litteraly evolves when in the Rain and naturally learns a number of Water-Type Moves.
3:47 New Mauville is actually locked to after fighting the box legends in the Cave of Origin. Too bad you can’t visit it of your own volition, but at least it isn’t postgame.
I have to disagree about "player freedom". Everyone is making a fuss about it, like it's the most important thing in the world, when it's actually not that big of a deal (in my opinion). Sure, you could argue that putting a roadblock until you've beaten the gym is objectively a bad thing, since if it wasn't there, you could continue without beating the gym, but still beat it right now if you wanted to. However, is really letting the player leave the town without beating the gym letting them more freedom ? Especially when the game has been imagined for you to beat the gym at that moment, and not come back later when you've got 10 more levels. By doing that, you're gonna have to grind a little to compensate for the fights you missed in the gym, and then, when you'll finally beat the gym, it's gonna be boring because you were supposed to beat it sooner and now you're overlevelled. Plus, the game still forces you to visit the towns in a certain order, and when you take that into account, it's pretty counterintuitive to leave the town without beating the gym. 5:49 About that very specific line, I have to strongly disagree. Actually, I think making the progression in Johto linear would help resolve its arguably biggest problem : the progression. Think about it, after beating Morty, you have access to two different "plotlines" that you can do in any order you want : the Olivine plotline, and the Mahogany plotline. But since the levels are the same, no matter which plotline you do first, you're gonna be overlevelled for the second. Forcing the player to do them in a certain order would allow the levels in the second plotline to be higher than in the first one, making the progression more linear. On a more positive note, I really like your take on Emerald inclusions (at 7:37). It even makes me wonder, why even make a RS remake and not directly an Emerald remake. Emerald is already somewhat of a RS remake, why not improve on what has already been improved instead of going back to square one ?
I pray for a Delta Emerald version for the switch where they take ORAS and add more Emerald features, improve on some miscellaneous things, and up the difficulty a bit(like giving certain gym leaders megas and giving Tate and Liza more than TWO BLOODY POKEMON)
Good somebody said it. I'm sorry but as good as Emerald is in theory I will never go back to that game because so many Pokemon can't use S.T.A.B well as the split had yet to happen.
Overhated, definitely. I do recognize their *many* flaws, but in the end I still think they are worthy retellings of one of the best Pokemon generations. If nothing else, if even one kid played these games and became curious enough to get their hands on an old Gameboy Advanced and play the originals, I'd say ORAS justified their existence. But yeah, still salty Emerald didn't get its own big budget remake. >:(
I have two prominent memories of this game: 1. I accidentally killed Deoxys and 2. I liked being able to fly in 3D on Latias. Otherwise, though, the game felt too average.
Emerald , HG/SS, & Platinum are the ideal Pokémon games in my opinion. I totally agree that these remakes should have implemented all the Emerald improvements. Hell they should have just remade Emerald but two versions makes more money is the Game Freak mission statement.
The only Gen 3 game I played was Colosseum so ORAS was my first Hoenn experience and I loved it. Gen 3 in general was where I dropped off the Pokemon hype so Hoenn is never gonna be my favourite but I found ORAS much more satisfying than X and Y and probably more than any Pokemon game since. I can kinda get it for those who played Emerald but as I never have I can’t compare. Overhated for sure!
The only real problem I can think of would be the lack of the battle frontier and maybe getting handed a free latias/latios. Pretty solid visual upgrade with interesting new megas and it was nice having a few newer pokemon available towards the end. That's mainly why the dp remakes look so disappointing to me, they look worse than the 3ds games and we probably won't be able to use any of the newer pokemon so I don't really see any point in buying those when my copy of platinum works fine and looks better.
I honestly didn't like ORAS. I mean, yes. I'll admit, without it exploring and sending over Pokémon from Hoenn would be tedious and expensive. And yes, the character redesigns were WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than their originals! Definitely for sure! But the truth is, FireRed and LeafGreen as well as HeartGold and SoulSilver were made because you LITERALLY CAN'T send Pokémon over from the GameBoy/GameBoy Colour games over to the GameBoy Advance. The hardware literally wouldn't allow it. So connecting Kanto and Johto to Gen III and IV was only possible through remakes. And in my opinion, FR/LG and HG/SS were the definitive versions of their regions. But you can still technically send Pokémon from Hoenn in GBA all the way to Pokémon X and Y. It can be done. To me, ORAS also didn't feel like a definitive version of Hoenn, but rather an alternate version. And while Johto's remakes got all the extra bells and whistles that came with Crystal Version, ORAS got absolutely nothing from Emerald. The Delta Episode doesn't count as far as I'm concerned. Aaaaaaaand, it was the demand for Hoenn remakes that became the reason why we never got a Pokémon Z, and why Kalos will continuously be a VERY boring region. I won't even start with BrilliantDiamond and ShiningPearl. To be honest, I think Nintendo and Game Freak should stop making remakes all together. Just no more. Instead, port the originals over and yeah, remaster and touch them up slightly if you want. But make it so that you can still send Pokémon from these games to newer ones. Kinda like how the Virtual Console Gen I and II games worked with Poké Transporter and Pokémon Bank. If they ported every game from Generation 1 - 7 onto the Switch and sold them all individually, they would make a freaking killing. Of course, Gen III - V games should still connect with each other for backwards compatibility trading like before. Anyways, that's enough rambling. Sorry.
This was the last Pokémon game I played. The massive disappointments that were XY and ORAS killed my interest in the series. To me, Pokémon peaked with B2W2 and proceeded to jump off said peak straight to depths of complete mediocrity.
After playing through BW I started to get a bit burnt out on Pokémon and didn’t really feel interested in the series anymore. It wasn’t til ORAS was announced that my love for the franchise began to return; I played through the original RS and XY a lot in the months leading up to its launch. While I am a bit sad about some of ORAS’s best features (DexNav, Soaring, etc) being exclusive to them, it also makes sense as they make the games special and worth revisiting from time to time
Great video man honestly I agree with most of your points my major complaint is that it’s just too easy I don’t have a gameboy anymore or emerald leaf green but I can always try my hardest to make oras actually hard
Guys Just Imagine If We Get A Emerald Remakes..."DELTA EMERALD" with all the things like Battle Frontier And All of the things From Emerald and Also with Mega Evolution For Nintendo Switch...Man it would be Too Dope
ORAS vs Emerald really comes down to oreference and what you want out of the games. If you want a higher difficulty and a post game battle frontier, emerald is the better choice. If you prefer story, characters, and quality of life stuff, ORAS is the pick. ORAS and Emerald sit as my first and third favorite games in the series respectively, with only Black and White 2 in between
Thanks, I hate the amount of adoration the whole multiverse theory gets in the fandom. The Pokémon games haven't been canon consistent for a very long time. No exposition was needed.
RubySapphireEmerald and ORAS are both excellent Pokémon games! Some of the best tbh! Definitely over-hated, the Pokémon are amazing and gen 3 evolved the franchise in so many ways! Hoenn is one of the best regions and the music/characters/stories are all great
Forgot to mention it, but DexNav was fire 🔥
I know OR/AS are controversial games that people often disagree on, so let's please keep things civil down here!
there's only one thing i care about within this topic, when do i get to play these games on the TV.
Being fire is good or bad?
It's not nearly as controversial as Let's Go and Sword and Shield
@@maximumbeans9310 Thx (:
ORAS has Faries, Resuable TMs and better characters.
And my favourite Pokémon Sylevon and Greninja
"It's better than Ruby and Sapphire, but Emerald is out there" is a perfect way to describe ORAS. Definitely better than the originals, but Emerald still did a lot of things better
I would say ORAS does most things better then Emerald really and is overall better then Emerald.
Both games have things that they do better than the other. I would personally rather replay ORAS, but Emerald is good too.
@@jaretco6423 lol that's the reason I like hoenn so much. You don't go to a place just once and never go comeback anymore, like in Sword/Shield. It's so nice to backtrack, this makes the cities and places more alive and real, not a place that exists only to you battle a gym or get a item and fades in inexistence afterwards
@@jaretco6423 Hoenn is design very smartly. You may need to go back to a place two or three times during the playthrough, but the routes are so conected to each other that you don't need go walk so much to go to a place to another. Everything feels so natural e fluid.
For exemple, if you are in Rustboro and need to go Slateport, you have the option to go through Rusturf Tunnel and take the cycling road after Mawville or you can go south through Rustboro Woods, pass Rustboro city and take Route 103 by surfing and you will be just north of Slateport. You can also be creative and reach Slateport throught the aquatic route that begins in Route 104 left Petalburg City and surf across Dewford city and Abandoned Ship.
If you're in Rustboro City again and you wanna go to the Desert in route 111, you can go to Rusturf Tunnel again, go north in Mawvile and use rock smash in route 111. You can also go north and pass through Meteor Falls and Fallabor Town before getting to route 111.
If you are in Lillycove City and wanna get to Slateport you can surf all the way Pacifidlog Town and go left to the rapid currents or you can take route 121, and go south in Mt. Pyre and reach the baeach near Mawville City and then go south.
What I mean is if you only had one option like in a hallway design reagion, backtracking would be kinda boring, but Hoenn has so many choices on how you can go to point A to point B, that walk throught the routes and cities is a delight. In fact, in Hoenn I almost never use fly, just for the sake of running freely in the region
Yeah I'm always torn on which to play when I wa t to revisit hoenn. One day its jist going to come down to my emerald version not working anymore, the battery has already run dry too.
The ORAS gym leader redesigns were done by Megumi Mizutani, who also did Victor and Gloria for SwSh, some of the Trail Captains for Sun and Moon, and was the main illustrator of the Let's Go games.
He did Acerola and Mina I assume?
The sword and shield charecters looked so boring and generic
Definitely overhated. ORAS is one of my favorite games in the series.
10/10 comment
would've so perfect if it had battle frontier and the original difficulty
GF is so lazy after Gen 5...
@@eltornado7777 They really added online battles, Pokémon interaction (Amie), a whole new post game and soaring all for you guys to say boo I want to battle the same though guys over again
@@thischannelisinactiveimsor9500 I enjoyed playing ORAS alot lol juz GF could've really made it more perfect instead of rushing every games after Gen 5
soaring in Hoenn is literally like one of the most awesome feature in the game too
For me it’s slightly inferior than Emerald, but overall still a pretty solid remake(Delta episode is my favorite part of ORAS though)
Still to this day I have dreams of Delta Emerald one day being its own game :(
Eh well there is a lot of pokemon emerald rom hacks.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it came back in a let’s go style one day
Probably a legends rayquaza might come
That and Pokémon Z lmfao
It will but you have to wait for many years.
Going into this, ORAS were controversial games? I though ORAS was widely praised by a majority of the community. It distinguished itself with the Delta Episode, Zinnia, and the new and improved Archie and Maxie.
Unlike X and Y, tons of important trainers (IE Elite 4, Rival, Evil Team Leader) were given Megas, and the games as a whole vastly improved megas for the better. Secret bases and Contests were expanded upon to the point where I actually really loved contests and Lisia. Mirage Islands were expanded upon and Tons of Legendaries were also made capturable through Mirage Islands and some special places like Sea Mauville and the newly renditioned Scorched Slab. Honestly aside from the lack of Battle Frontier, these games were premiere remakes for the series.
XY is still to this one of my first favorable games, ORAS is second favorite
@@SpectacleSpark XY is fun but having recently come back to play X again, its really lacking. Too easy is a big issue. 3 pokemon per gym leader and only 4 for elite four is insulting. and the postgame content was underwhelming af. but they added some great stuff, like megas, new awesome mons, wondertrade, etc
@@ShadeStormXD Tbf I'm someone who has a hard time getting through games due to mental disabilities on progressing sadly, I think the game was pretty hard itself back then when I was a child but because I overleveled my pokemon of course it was gonna be a breeze. Honestly the game is only easy if you make it easy.
Saphire was my first game and I was excited for these games to come out and I wasn't disappointed it was fun and added a lot of new features and I got to see the Hoenn region in 3d. Overall these games are probably one of my favorites in the series
Ruby was my first pokemon game too and ORAS was definitely a big nostalgic trip! I loved it overall but like JPR said, there were some issues. I definitely didn’t like that they cut Granite Cave so short, and it’s not SUPER important but the Abandoned Ship was such a cool area to explore and I don’t understand why they changed it to Sea Mauville. I still love these games though and they are definitely overhated. However, they’re not perfect by any means, but still very fun and enjoyable 😊
i remember getting this game when i was 7, now my 3ds is broken and ill never be able to say goodbye to the game i loved so much, i get a full on tsunami of nostalgia when i watch these videos or think of this game
@@sqibbley8053 if you have a somewhat decent PC you’ll be able to emulate it! Look it up!
@@sqibbley8053Same man except mine burnt along with my house in a forest fire 😢
Ruby was my first pokemon game that was my own. before that my brother and me took turns playing sliver. I remember how cool it was to not have to share a pokemon game and focus on playing the game all the way through. I rember trying to win all of the prizes in the game corner. I never got to play emerald sadly and kinda hoped that ORAS was gonna be all the content
7:01 Mega Metagross used meteor mash on Magikarp....
To be continued.
Loved gen 3 loved these games even more. Only draw back is no battle frontier.
I agree. ORAS was perfect*
They are remakes of ruby and sapphire not emerald stop crying about the battle frontier it wasn't in ruby and sapphire
@@Tsukune2001 the Rayquaza quest also wasn’t in ruby and sapphire, also both teams are involved like in emerald, so which is it? Only ruby and sapphire? Or all three games?
And they oversaturated with shiny, legendary events. the legendary encounters were lazy. Other than that i would put that game above the newer pokemon games today.
@@Brain_Food- shiny events? Gen two had the shiny event. And the legendary encounters were anything but lazy lol, if anything they were a bit convoluted
One small detail I really liked about ORAS is there are now ace trainers around water routes, making those routes less repetitive and varied in terms of the pokemon you battle.
Aaaand they are surfing on Pokémon, just like the player!
Imo it’s definitely over hated. Yeah I was disappointed with the lack of the BF, but the gameplay was a fun modern redux of the original games, Mega evolution is the best in battle mechanic we’ve had thus far, the Delta Episode was fire (albeit a bit short), and I loved all of the legendary encounters you could get in the post game.
besides the whole battle frontier thing these games are really good.. there's so much to so in them and so much added I love it... maybe it's the nostalgia talking tho (these were my first pokemon games)
Multi verse shenanigans is the modern "it was all a dream". It's an easy cop-out or method of conveniently squeezing any thing into a story.
This^
They could've just went with the logic "just because megas weren't in the games doesn't mean they weren't there canonically".
Instead of just making a bunch of multiverses (with hoopa and megas) all they had to do was go with anime logic: just because ash didn't have megas in the original series doesn't mean that happened in an AU. With hoopa just give his portals access to anywhere in the world and maybe even the distortion world, nothing more.
At least Pokemon has a fairly good excuse for it (a weapon powerful enough to rip the one universe into two separate universes is MUCH more badass than the alternate universes just being... Introduced. With no explanation as to how they got there.)
I remember hating ORAS when it first came out cuz I was right off the heels of XY and the start of Pokémon games being way too easy, so ORAS just kept me angry with exp all and NPCs begging you to follow the linear path. But I replayed it recently and I really do appreciate all the QoL updates, redesigns, and general feel from these remakes. They’re not perfect but they’re by no means bad games.
SwSh makes you appreciate other games more, but tbh it's your fault If you use the EXP share and complain about game difficulty.
A quick correction: New Mauville is available after fighting Primal Groudon/Kyogre. Not quite post-game, but it is much later than when it's available in the originals (after Norman). (Worse, the New Mauville Pokemon also are scaled like they're available when they are originally: The wilds are only in their mid 20s.)
@TrainerblueTube
Two.
I didn’t really mind the level down though. Made incentive to get voltorb and magnemite to fill up the dex.
ORAS single-handedly got me back into the series after going on hiatus for a few years! I LOVED it. It could've stood to have been a bit more difficult, but that's really my only complaint! I had so much fun with it. On a sidenote, it's the style I wish they would have taken the Sinnoh remakes.
Honestly Ruby/Sapphire were the first games in the main series I played, so they have a special place in my heart, which is probably why I found the remakes to be so beautiful. I remember opening the remakes and seeing the loading screen with that little water droplet cutscene. It made me teary-eyed bringing back all those fond memories
Any game that allows me to catch a Deoxys without being apart of some silly event that I had no way of doing automatically makes it one of the best
Only thing missing from omega/Alpha
Is the battle frontier
Outside of that arguably is one of best Pokémon games of the modern age
Ruby was my first Pokémon game, and while I do enjoy these remakes, Emerald did something special by bringing both Kyogre and Groudon as well as Teams Magma and Aqua and put them all together in one mostly cohesive story
Emerald is the *complete* story of Hoenn. That is why Delta Emerald was 100% the way to go with Hoenn remakes... but money money
Honestly, I hate dealing with both Team Magma & Aqua because it slows the game down and I thought the whole story plot progression was absolutely stupid & meaningless. Like if u know that the world would be doomed with only dry lands or sea, than what's was the point of doing it? Where are we gonna live in our life's? How are we gonna survived without land or water? It's almost like nothing happen & totally wasted my time. I can appreciate Gen. 3 for having an main story jounrey in an Pokemon and I get what they're trying to do. But they could've done an alot better. It's really stupid IMO.
As someone who has replayed ORAS recently with no prior experience of playing the originals or even Emerald, I enjoyed it a lot for what it had like the region, secret bases, soaring (+ being able to use Fly to travel to more than just towns and cities) and the inclusion of a Mythical Pokémon battle that was previously event only. It does suck that the Battle Frontier and Gym Leader rematches were axed from the game though, because those would've made them my 3rd favorite main series Pokémon game.
Really solid take on these games. I always thought of these games as “reimagining’s” as opposed to actual “remakes”
I'm probably not in the majority here, but for me, that 2 year period from when ORAS came out to until SM came out was like, the peak of Pokemon in my life. Not to mention that at the tail end of ORAS's time as the current game, Pokemon Go came out too. 2014-2016 was just the perfect era. My first game was Ruby so Hoenn has a lot of nostalgia value for me so playing Omega Ruby and putting hundreds of hours into that game was nothing but a good time.
I think the ORAS games were alright , not the best but good
Same
Definitely better than swore and chield thisis my first pokemon game so its my favorite but i understand why people not like it it is just my first game.
The best part about this game was they made Anabel come back in Sun and Moon Battle Tree. Was really great getting to face Frontier leader in a game with easy training
Delta Emerald will be the ultimate Hoenn we all will get to, just like Z was
I love these games. It retold the original story very well, the new features are awesome and should return, and the delta episode is probably one of my favorite post-games ever. The only thing I was disappointed in was the battle frontier and the gym leader teams, but that’s pretty much it
8:14 FINALLY SOMEONE WHO POINTS THIS OUT 😭😭😭
I don't even know why people found the Delta Episode to be so magnificent. Including me , I thought it was the entire episode was coolest thing ever and after doing it again, I can't for the life of me understand why.
Introduced a character that people like, introduced one of the best ost’s ever made, gave you a rayquaza and introduced its mega form and you ride into a meteor to then fight deoxys and maybe catch it too. It wasn’t that long but it was a good reward for those to made it through the game.
@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou Yes but that's just the climax. The rest (and majority) of the delta episode was boring AF. Of course I do recognise its good points, but the vast majority of it was uncreative and overall a pain in the ass. Anyway, I appreciate the lore it brought to the series.
@@castform7 it’s because you ride a giant dragon into space to fight a space Pokemon
Heck being able to challenge and catch a deoxys makes it fantastic
@@metaknight7117 Yes but when does that happen? At the end. The rest of the Delta Episide was boring and just a bunch of reading. I'm not gonna call it good just cause the last ten minutes were enjoyable.
Sapphire was my first Pokemon game that i owned as a kid. I played ORAS for years after release and just got into it again and the nostalgia is real. Maybe thats why it is my favorite but man i love this game
Ik this is from awhile ago,
But
OR was my first Pokémon game, it’s just so nostalgic for me.
I genuinely think of it as the best Pokémon game, every time I go to fight Steven I get flashbacks of his terrifyingly strong mega metagross.
Wallys amazing theme and powerful gallade.
It’s just such a good game.
I have to agree oras was better than ruby and sapphire, but when I played emerald a couple years ago I was like people were not over hyping emerald at all. And I believe that emerald is better than oras lol. But one minor underrated feature that I like about oras is the welcome to the world of Pokemon, combines the original gba verison then transitions which is pretty epic ngl.
I'm gonna be honest. I didn't think Emerald was that great either. They're OK. But there far better Pokemon games than Emerald.
I never owned Emerald and I keep wondering that if I did would I have liked Emerald more than these games.
Loved how the dex nav also uses the original game boy tile sets for areas you're in.
@@jaretco6423 nope emerald is great than platinum and black white
@Sandra I disagree. I think Platinum & the Black & White Duology are far better than Emerald.
OR is my favorite Pokémon Game Ever, I love the Hoenn Region and Mega Evolution/Primal Reversion and finally seeing my favorite region in 3D was stunning!
Yup, best game ever
AS was what I picked. Krogre ftw
I feel like people overhate this game simply because its gen 6 or the lack of battle frontier. It's a good game and solid remake IMO. Fire red and leaf green are overrated and added little to nothing from the originals.
I guess those remakes were faithful which matches well with Kanto and people liked it
That's a bit disingenuous, FR/LG added the Battle Tower, the Sevi Islands etc. So when you compare what Gen 1 started with, and what the Gen 3 remakes added it's by far a definitive improvement over those games.
You can't really say the same for ORAS, yes new features are implemented. However overall, they take away far more than what they actually add.
@@markhunt9643 I said little to nothing. I never said Nothing at all. The remakes were inferior to the originals. Its just hypocritical how the fanbase glosses over its issues but yet they'll happily dogpile on ORAS which did a lot more than people give it credit for and didn't stop your Pokemon midway from evolving due to a problem with the game design. That's the disingenuous part. *Ahem*... Crobat for FRLG. Or the fact HGSS didn't fix the level curve.
"Heartgold and Soulsilver did it" isn't really an excuse, because what they added from Crystal was Eusine and the focus on Suicune, which is a very minimal change in the scheme of things, unlike the complete redoing of Emerald's story. Crystal was only minimally different from Gold and Silver. The Gen 2 games *BARELY* fit on their cartridges at the time, and the jump from gen 2 technology to gen 4 technology was a big one. Suddenly they had all this room left over to add a bunch of detail and little extra things. By comparison, Emerald is the first 3rd game in the series to have major changes from it's core games, there's no non invasive way to add those story changes without just making the game a remake of Emerald instead, which isn't what they wanted to do. The compromise was the Delta Episode, some after game focus on Rayquaza and nods to story beats from Emerald to make it clear they hadn't forgotten about it, which makes it on par to the Crystal additions. "But the battle frontier!" you might say, "HGSS had it, but the Hoenn remakes don't?! What gives?!" HGSS's Battle Frontier was a copy-paste of Platinum's, just like the Battle Maison is in ORAS. They would have had to rebuild the battle frontier from scratch, it's not conveniently sitting around somewhere on the ROM already like Platinum's battle frontier was. Would it have been nice of them to redo it? Yes, but that is a ton of extra work when they already have a fully functioning battle facility that *IS* just conveniently sitting around on the ROM.
People praise HGSS and put down ORAS as if one had more effort put into it than the other, when this isn't true in the least.
Small emerald changes like the gym leader rematches, improved gym leader teams, mirage tower etc could’ve made it in. They didn’t have to ignore everything emerald brought to the table. HGSS just about has everything that GSC has and more making them the definitive johto games. Heck they recreated the original GSC soundtrack for a post game reward even some areas that didn’t exist in the originals got 8bit remixes. That alone is a lot of effort. Then there was the completely unnecessary pokewalker that was included with every copy of the game. Idk I feel like HGSS had a bit more effort then ORAS imo. ORAS are better then Ruby and Sapphire but ORAS vs Emerald is debatable. While HGSS is no doubt the best johto experience you can have.
@@CEDL0W Here is where I will disagree on Emerald being the definitive experience.
Emerald made the story far more messy and even messes up the atmosphere a bit.
They tried to squeeze two teams into a one team storyline that was created with Sapphire's story beats in mind first and foremost. Team Magma gets the main set piece in the story, the Mount Chimney fight. This, combined with their quick appearance at Meteor Falls immediately before, their base coming before Team Aqua's, and the Mossdeep Space Center fight that was added just for Emerald, the game gives the impression that you see much more of them than Team Aqua, even Battling with Maxie 3 separate times while Archie is only battled once. The two teams feel unbalanced, because the story was only ever meant to feature one as the antagonist.
And because you battle Maxie and watch him awaken Groudon in the Magma base, the game no longer makes sense. The world isn't allowed to be in crisis until after the seafloor cavern, so you awaken Groudon and...Nothing happens. You go to the Aqua base, beat Matt, surf to Mossdeep, beat a gym, fight Maxie *AGAIN*, surf out to the seafloor cavern, fight your way to Archie and fight him for *THE ONE AND ONLY TIME*, he wakes up Kyogre, and then, *SUDDENLY* Groudon's drought is also affecting the world?
Also, because Rayquaza now has to be involved, the atmospheric trek down to the bottom of the cave of origin with the quakes signifying the thrashing about of the ancient pokemon you're about to face in the crystal lined room is gone, replaced by a single floor and a quick, meaningless conversation with Wallace that could have happened outside and only serves to highlight what was lost.
You don't even need to be the one to go after Rayquaza, Wallace could have gone and been back in the time it takes you to get back out of the cave and fly after him. Your involvement comes down to running through some dungeon floors and using fly a few times. It's boring and anticlimactic.
And for those who would say that in RS the story just ends after you catch the Legendary, you can in fact fly to mount pyre and see Maxie or Archie returning the orb and talk to him, as well as choose to return your own orb.
As far as other changes go, the battle tents are unnecessary and having them replace the contest halls means most berries don't have a use until almost the end of the game, lessening the overall experience of all the features Hoenn has to offer. The Mirage Tower was also an unnecessary addition, it just makes it more annoying to choose a fossil, and their placement in the original games would have actually made more sense for where the other one ends up in the desert underpass. I don't know a single person who actually did anything in Trainer Hill. It's overshadowed by the Battle Frontier like the Battle Tents, and is little more than a glorified Pokemon Center for most of the game. The only Gym Leader line-up changes that were actually worth carrying over were Wattson's and Tate&Liza's. The others added Pokemon that were little more than padding and didn't actually add anything to the fights. Winona's line up was downgraded by it, even. I will admit to the Gym Leader rematches being a worthwhile addition, though. Having the Underpass with the second fossil and ditto would have been nice too, but it's a small loss in the scheme of things. Also, having a Water Gym Leader right before a Water Champion. Steven Stone is more enjoyable to fight in the final room.
All in all, of the original three, Sapphire actually makes the most sense story and pacing wise, and while Emerald had some great additions, it also messed a little too much with what was good about the first two. And by that metric, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire did a much better job clearing up and expanding upon the original story than Emerald did. They also add all the mechanical improvements that have come about in subsequent years making more Pokemon viable to use and the game overall more convenient to play. They also have additions of their own, not the least of which is a school yard rumor come true, complete with fighting and capturing an eternally available Mythical Pokemon in *space.*
They say a good remake is one you'd replay over the originals. Maybe that isn't true for most people, including you, and that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. But to me, Alpha Sapphire is the definitive Hoenn experience, and not even Emerald's battle frontier can change that. They're good games, and they have every bit as much love and care and detail put into them as HGSS. You can deny it if you want, but it's true all the same.
There is only one thing wrong with the remakes: Difficulty. Especially if you have played Emerald, you're not getting epic gym fights even if you don't use strong pokemon. I started a new game a week ago and i finally found a way to make it hard: picking intentionally not so strong pokemon in the beginning like poochyena and surskit
Its not as easy as XY, but it isnt as hard as the original
Absolutely agreed. I wish someone would make a difficulty romhack for ORAS some day. Not as hard as something like Radical Red, but a bit tougher than Emerald and Platinum would be perfect.
@@mr.preston1632 tbh it's almost as piss easy as XY. with Exp Share on and zero grinding I was 10-12 levels above Elite 4 in XY and 8-10 levels above Elite 4 in ORAS
@@charliez077 Thats subjective, I found the Games not too hard, but not too easy and thats coming from the person who used a full team of megas
That's honestly a problem with every remake and bdsp is gonna have the same problem. The new moves, learnsets and convenient mprovements make the remakes more of a breeze.
While I felt FL/LG were less fun/ambitious than the originals and HG/SS were roughly as good/impactful as the originals with some cool features (though both being some of the best looking games by far), these games set the standard for how I think remakes should be. While I would say I do enjoy Emerald more (I know, that seems like a huge contradiction) as probably my favorite Pokemon game, I'd easily place these in the 3rd slot (Sun/Moon for 2nd). Finally, the game just lets you play with all the Pokemon, and properly expands the Hoenn-Dex, still keeping a well focused region which is very important. This game also hits on all the themes that the originals tackled, but in some cases much better, which really is the most important thing a Pokemon game. Outside of that things like the demo (absolutley loved that), injection of color and design (part of what made Gen III great were they were the first Pokemon games to really capture a feeling of being outdoors in nature), character fanservice, having one of the best Elite 4 run throughs and rematches, island hunting/soaring, as well as awesome contests really infected a lot of the 3DS style life into this game that's just been missing from games for a few years now. The Delta episode in particular was astounding, as this game already went underwater and in the air, but adding in going to space really made it feel like it completed Hoenn as a rejion. Honestly seeing that space station as a teenager was cool in the originals, but actually getting to go to space on Raquaza's back and fight Deoxys (which was near impossible to get where I lived) was living a Pokemon dream that I never even knew I had, blowing my expectations away in the best possible sense. Zinnia also added well to the Delta episode by focusing more on Hoenn's thematic focus and questions about people in nature so that it's not just a big dumb (but very cool) space fight. Also, because I took my 3DS to a comic convention (thankfully before Sun and Moon) my game is loaded to the brim with secret bases, which was a very sweet bonus.
However, as stated Emerald is my favorite, and a big part of that is the original Battle Frontier, which I loved (the Gen IV was pretty boring for me). While the Maison is cool and has nice partner options, the original Battle Frontier is the hard pure mathematical and statistical mechanics of the Pokemon franchise refined and focused, while adding on plenty of fun twists. Given all the praise I've spouted above for what the remakes did with Hoenn, I can't help but imagine what we missed out of a revamped Battle Frontier, and what it would bring to the table. I know they said it was a difficulty thing, but I'm guessing it was actually a time thing, and I think this (along with a lack of Pokemon Z) was the actual time Game Freak should have embraced DLC. On the bright side, the other areas added are nice, and if I had to choice between a returning Frontier or the Delta Epidote, I'd absolutely pick the Delta episode since it's something new, and for the other reasons above.
Frankly I do not believe in such nonsense as "A perfect Pokemon Game" or "A Golden Era of Pokemon" however, the 3DS era is certainly my favorite Pokemon era thus far, and I feel like if ORAS had all the stuff listed above AND the Battle Frontier, it would be the Pokemon game I'd be most comfortable in calling perfect. Alas, not the case, bit it's still a game I absolutely love, and as someone who's favorite region is Hoenn, I'm glad it got the remakes I like most by a wide margin.
P.S. I think citing there being debate as an argument for where these games stand given the circumstances is in itself a super weak argument in and of itself.
Dexnav was the Best feature gamefreak ever added.
I've replayed these games rather recently alongside the originals and I got to say, these games are a lot better than people make them seem. Sure, Battle Frontier being removed does suck but I find everything else about this game so great and the improvements of the story make it feel like this was the game they wanted the originals to be and they're really underappreciated. Lovely games that people tear apart for it's difficulty and the Battle Frontier.
difficulty and the Battle Frontier - yes, pretty much the only (but major) faults about ORAS, otherwise it would be a perfect remake
Am I the only person that doesn't care about the Battle Frontier? I found it to be repetitive and boring.
@@jaretco6423 it may not be for everyone - but for us who like a challenge and competitive battling, trust me, Emerald Battle Frontier is one of the (if not THE) best experience(s) of all pokemon games.
Charlie. Eh. More power to u if u enjoy it. But personally, I prefer the Pokemon World Tournament, White Treehollow or Black Tower or any battle facilities over the Battle Frontier anyday. They're way more fun & aren't boring for me.
@@jaretco6423 I love all those facilities you mentioned too, also the very underrated Pokéstar Studios. how someone doesn't love Battle Frontier (Pyramid, Factory or Pike are awesome and there is SO much versatility a player can choose from) is beyond me but to each their own ;-)
Had gym rematches and the Battle Frontier been included, ORAS would’ve almost entirely outclassed Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald (unless you prefer the old pixel art style, which is understandable)
I don’t think they were the best remakes per se, I think HGSS did that the best, but when it comes to the games themselves, ORAS is my personal favorite of the three released thus far.
It's 2022, and I'm finishing up Soul Silver for the first time. I was a gen 1 only guy forever, but rethought everything during COVID. You've convinced me to go with Emerald once i finish SS. TBH, I'm not quite ready for moving in more directions than up down right or left.
For me it's a few things, the difficulty, music, pokedex, and no battle frontier is what makes me like emerald more in hindsight. Especially the difficulty and being unable to find those extra pokemon with searchnav until postgame hurt the replayability alot. I want to use more pokemon in remakes than what's originally there and they just dont let you.
the sneak mechanic was really fun, you can hunt pokemon with eggs move,which kinda cool..the downside is ORAS diffivulty is a bit too easy
LONG RANT INCOMING! I'm about to tear the Delta Episode into shreads. If you like it or Zinnia or the multiverse thing more power to you but I don't and here's why:
So a meteorite is coming and Steven and the Mosdeep space station plan to send it to another universe. Sure okay, kinda weird but I can dig it. But then we get into Zinnia.
Zinnia is a nut. She goes around saying stuff she expects us to know when we're literally just good at battling Pokemon. She keeps coming to the space station spouting nonsense no one understands and saying we're idiots for our fool proof plan even though she doesn't provide her own solution. Instead she asks us for a solution even though we're a child. And guess what she does later in the story. Breaks the thing we need to send the meteorite away. She tosses away our fool proof plan even though she hasn't brought up her own solution yet. That is until we get to Sky Pillar where she finally brings up Rayquaza and how she wants to use it to stop the meteor so no one gets hurt. How hard was that to say instead of your nonsense and belittling. And when we're at the top of Sky Pillar and we hear Zinnia go on a few speals, she then knocks us out so that we could be her back up when Rayquaza comes in the daytime. Why couldn't we just wait with her for day time? Just tell us we need to wait. Why is her getting a damn point across so hard? Anyway Rayquaza comes and surprise surprise, she can't tame it and basically put the entire world in jeopardy if it wasn't for us having a meteorite in our backpack. We all didn't die cause we got lucky. We catch Rayquaza, Dragon Ascent the the entirety of Zinnia's team and go fight Deoxys. I know this story might've been told better in the manga but I should not have to look to external sources of media for a story that should've told it in the first place.
Also Courtney comes at one point butthurt about Maxie and decides to have the Earth destroyed. What? And she has grunts supporting her?! Look, guys, I know she's hot but you can do better. You live here, think with the first head.
And don't get me started on the multiverse shenanigans. First for story Zinnia brings up the original Ruby and Saphire Hoenn and how the meteorite will be transported there. Now, *we* know they exist but the chsracters in game should write this off because it's way too outlandish to be true snd it's not like she has much proof so it just comes off as stupid. And out of game this lead to a downward spiral of there being more and more universes to where each different cartridge of a game is another universe and to me it just became confusing. I'm kinda glad Sword and Shield was so detatched cause now there wasn't any timeline nonsense from the last few previous games.
Overall I think the Delta Episode is a long talking spree that's only cool at the end and makes me wonder why I and many others liked it so much in the first place.
I always thought zinnia was supposed to be out of her mind. She seems to be having a mental breakdown the entire game, she wildly dances in battle, and is constantly talking about having lost someone. That was kind of how I justified her acting so crazy, because she was meant to be going crazy.
did you mean fool proof? sorry that just bothered me.
anyway aside from that i agree. the delta episode is badly written and is mostly just a bunch of talking broken up by a few battles. the best part was fighting Wallace with his Emerald team, but frankly they could have just made gym leader rematches a thing for all leaders and done that anyway. I don't even think the end is that cool, the rayquaza cutscene is just kinda silly and im not sure why people are so hyped by it.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 Oh woops. I always thought it was full proof but fool proof is definitely how you say it. It is now edited and corrected. But yeah, the Delta episode isn't all it's cracked out to be. It probably would've been better if they just brought the stuff from Emerald. I kind of understand why people think riding on the back Rayquaza to stop a meteor is cool but I also understand why people think it's stupid.
Sounds like you're meant to hate zinnia
Nah I will die on this hill to defend the Delta Episode it greatly expanded the world building of Pokémon by introducing different timelines and dimensions, it made it so you could fight Wallace again, you fight Deyoxus (bad spelling) a previously event only Pokémon in space while using Raquaza which is what all the gen 3 fans wanted because before the remakes they believed that you could go to space in Emerald kinda like how people believed in the Mew being hidden in the truck thing, if you wanna have a more challenging Zinna fight switch out Raquaza and use the other 5 Pokémon in your team nobody is stopping you, and you get to see Raquaza destroy a meteor.
My first game was Y and I could never finish it, but then I bought Alpha Sapphire back in middle school to play with my friends, and I freaking loved it. Had over 300 hours in it
The people who think these remakes are bad are just butt hurt over the Battle Frontier being cut. Least that's all I hear about. I ask other than that, what's the problem and I get answered with silence.
Edit: OK I never realised how much content was cut and how much freedom was taken away. Why can't people just give me these answers instead of "nO bAtTlE fRoNtIeR?! gAmE bAd!"
Because the lack of a BF is more apparent and has no excuse for not being in the game.
Delta episode was pure fire. Ngl I like how they did Rayquaza more in ORAS than emerald
I am first and exited.Because Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are my second favorite pokemon main series/main frachise video games.
Mine to actually next to usum theres a story for that
You've captured my thoughts exactly on that last phrase, about how despite being good games an older version can still compare or surpass them on a lot of aspects. Also, the Delta Episode works fine for the context of mega evolution and Kalos themes, but I don't know, I've always felt that this remakes try to make a pseudo sequel to XY on the D.E. and in some cases ignore what made Hoenn so great.
It's curios you didn't mention how they give so much spotlight to Brendan as a rival, yet he does absolutely nothing in the story and has no arc whatsoever besides being the moral support, and yet the character that was one of the best things the original game had to offer still has only 2 battles, yeah with a mega and all, but it was clear since the beginning who was the most interesting character out of the 2. And yet it doesn't matter how much screentime Brendan got because once the Delta Episode is finished he just sits on his house and gets no rematches or interesting dialogue, while Wally just so happens to be the one that introduces you to the Battle resort and the one you can battle with there. They just didn't know who to go with and that seriously hurts my experience, coming off from XY.
And yeah, the soundtrack is great in some occasions but it doesn't have the same feel as the original, being a lot more techno and synthesized compared to the trumpets.
Another thing about Brendan was how much of a character he was. Be was cocky and borderline sexist toward May and in the remakes this is fleashed out more and comes to respect May after being put in his place.
With that said May is terrible. Shes just a giggling waifu, which is a bit telling.
@@anothergamer112 Dude, I love May as a protagonist, she's my favorite part about Pokémon as a franchise, and the fact that out of the 2 she's the one that gets the worst end of the stick as a rival, only being used to be a pseudo romantic interest (just because, well, girl) and giving up on everything after her defeat in Lilycove is sad. I know how sexist Brendan can sound, literally offering to catch a pokemon for you right after admitting he expected you to be a boy, but at least he learns something, May stays the same.
Brendan wasn't really a sexist to my knowledge, especially not in the remakes. The whole "thought you'd be a boy" thing, yeah definitely but the offer to catch a Pokemon could be interpreted as a friendly offer to help you start on your journey since he does say he wants to be friends. I think he's already come to respect you by the end of your first battle at the latest as he treats you like a good friend on all of your encounters afterward. In ORAS, they even take out his most sexist line "I'm gonna fight your dad and unlike you he looks pretty tough". Even in RSE those moments were sparce and he treated you like a friend. I ORAS it's basically dead in the water. Not to say I have a problem with that. I really like the interactions with with the rival.
As for May, specifically speaking with ORAS, I think she's fine. I really feel like you go from simple neighbours to best friends. I don't think it's a bad thing May stayed the same. Where she didn't grow your friendship did (same with Brendan just wanted to highlight it here). Whenever she came along I was increasingly happy to see her, as they appeared so much more in these remakes so you get to speak with them more. I really felt something when I came out of the hall of fame and saw May standing there waiting for me to go back with her. To me, she (and Brendan) was a good friend that only got better with each encounter.
That's just my opinion on the 2.
@@castform7 That's a good take, and yeah, my problem is not exactly at their interactions, it's just that as characters May specially feels really shallow, and hey, Wally was way more interesting but ended up wasted sadly. And I honestly would think higher of Brendan/May interactions if only the characters had an actual growth or didn't stayed dead after the D.E.
@@marka.t.s.8344 Yeah I kind of have a bit of a problem with Wally. He was improved in the remakes but you still only have two battles with him. I would've liked to see his team make progress a bit instead of the wimpy Ralts in Mauville to an almost full team and mega Gallade but what can you do?
As for May and Brendan yeah wished they had a bit more to them. The "end" to the rivalry battle and final scene in ORAS at route 103 after you become champion was really nice and made me smile but they don't do much like usual. Nothing in the D.E. One "date" at the end. And then their just bumming at their house while Wally and you go to the Battle Resort. They talk about completing the Hoenn dex and they seem to enjoy field research. Maybe they're helping Birch more with research on Pokemon habitats and raising and are working on raising Pokemon. That's the best thing I can think of for these 2.
I was hyped about these remakes back in high school and I enjoyed my first playthrough but replaying it was a slog. But now that it’s been nearly 7 years since then, I’ll actually try to go back to it.
Won’t lie, this feels like 80% gripe and 20% praise.
I absolutely loved the multiverse stuff!!!! it's such a good addition to the series.
I like these games more than pretty much every pokemon game after 2013 ( I have not played swsh). Though Im not sure how much of that is from nostalgia due to these being the games I have the most hours in (over 999:99). I have so many memories of playing these along side my friends so while my thoughts on the games are mixed, they are extremely important to me.
I was highly critical of these games on-release. Especially with the high bar that HGSS set with Pokemon remakes.
Now that BDSP happened, I can look back and see ORAS for what they were. They were still very excellent remakes.
Eh, even with BDSP existing, I'm still very disappointed with ORAS. A lot of changes they made were unnecessary and they cut a huge chunk of content out. I really wish they just updated the original Magma and Aqua character designs instead of completely changing them. I always found that really annoying.
I wish there were a truly definitive way to experience Hoenn and ORAS isn't even close to that.
THANK YOU FOR CALLING OUT THE DELTA EPISODE!!
People continue to rave about it, and I honestly didn't think it was amazing. Great final battles an cutscene, of course, but actually playing most of it was just kind of boring. Plus, most people when discussing postgame content, this is one of the top things people want in any game. A Platinum episode in BDSP, and similar things in other games. I do but don't want just that. While it was pretty cool, in the end, it's really just more story that you'll finish. Obviously there's a separation between the main story and the post game story, but you'll still eventually finish said post game story. I don't mind that and welcome cool postgame stories, but what I really want is more content to keep me REplaying, not just playing.
HGSS, for example, had the Pokeathlon with cool minigames that you could do with any Pokemon to get some neat items. Additionally, there was plenty of ribbon collecting and even the gold leaf if you care about that kind of stuff. But more than that, there were some really fun ways to train up your Pokemon for battle online or wherever. Rebattling the gym leaders on certain days for example was really fun (Grinding Blissey bases in ORAS was effective but definitely not fun). And of course, the incredibly technical, difficult, and CREATIVE battle frontier where you could actually use said trained Pokemon for something other than online. ORAS was online or battle tower clone. That was it. I just want to have stuff to do after the finite stuff like the post-game story end.
HGSS and the Black & White duology are probably the best examples of that I think has an perfected post-game content. It's not just like doing Battle Frontier in one big area ( Though unpopular opinion. But I don't care about the Battle Frontier. ) There's more to explore, battle trainers, compete other battle facilities ( which I consider to be better than the Battle Frontier. ) and other stuff to continue your quest.
I love Megas, but honestly... as much as I love designs like Mega Swampert, I would've preferred more content/replayability even if that meant no new Megas (both would obviously be great tho)
I'm just glad I got remakes of my favorite games
Plus having the evil teams be a bit more characterized was awesome
i think for me it comes down to:
do you want a more challenging run and hundreds of hours of challenge mode content (the battle frontier)? play emerald
do you want a more casual experience but with the superior narrative and modern game mechanics? play oras
Exactly. Not everyone cares about the Battle Frontier. I played Emerald when it came out and honestly as a kid I never even spent much time doing the Battle Frontier. Still not fussed about battling after all these years
I hated how overly young the player character looks. I know the player character is supposed to be a kid or young adolescent; however, this is is anime logic we are taking about. NO ONE looks like their actual age.
Big excited for Diamond and Pearl Remake’s stories to be remade to drag you by the ear through every route with barricades all around. It’s much easier to do as I’m told instead of exploring and thinking for myself.
@@THGMR-ox7sd "Shows screenshots with NPC town inhabitants from Platinum"
100% agree with you this is the most honest review I’ve seen for ORAS
This is the first Pokemon game. The game that really got me into the series and I owe it so much. That being said as I gaze upon it with my nostalgia googles pried off I see a lot more issues. Not carrying more things from Emerald and the Delta Episode are 2 big things that come to mind but I do have other issues. But I cannot for the life of me call them bad games or I have so many fond memories and there are so many little details I love and it really feels like in some places they really did care and deliver. ORAS is far from perfect or even from a true definitive version of Hoenn but I still love it.
i loved the may and brendan redesigns i feel like may looks so much more like her personality in the oras character designs
11:51 Whoa that’s the exact description of me, cuz they were my first Pokémon game so I just kept re battling the elite four, and the games to 7 year old me at the time were godly, still are and sadly haven’t played the originals
great video!! i grew up on Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald and even though i've always dreamed of a 3d remake, when i eventually got around to this game i just fell off somewhere around Mauville. i thought all the new extra content in the late game was sweet but i just didn't care to even get there.. and a few days ago i restarted GBA emerald.
i could never really articulate what i didn't love about this game bc i LOVED the previous series remakes. you did a great job putting words to the feeling hahah
Emerald definitely has it's upsides and I love it, but the quality of life updates ORAS bring make it the more replayable one imo. (I've also replayed gen 3 to death so i might just be getting bored of it lol)
These are by far my favorite Pokemon games. I played Omega Ruby. I loved the music, badass legendaries, postgame, mega evolutions, dexnav, multi-grunt battles, eon flute, exp share, diving, characters, braille decyphering, delta episode, etc.
The game would be better if it were a lot harder though. But I'd rather have all that good stuff in an easy game than none of it in a hard game. Played Ruby as a kid btw.
I loved these games! It’s nostalgic for me, back when I was a little older playing Pokémon rather than just a kid. I really loved all the features they put in it.
Personally I really enjoy the games. I never really played gen 3 much having started with diamond and borrowing gold off a friend so these were my first true experience with hoenn games. Ive played them since and I definitely prefer playing oras mainly due to upgraded graphics and mechanics but they dont ruin the games like I hear some people say
Those remakes will probably be the best remakes and up the top games in the series. Emerald might be the ultimate Hoenn experience, while those are a modern approach with a wider range of availability Pokémon. I want to replay Hoenn but I'm stuck choosing between playing my Emerald or Alpha Sapphire.
I like all of mays designs but her RS design is my favourite
I remember that i never used Mega Evolutions because it felt weird to be very strong against an opponent and still use a "quick" buff after an animation that felt to me like too long.
The Delta episode was definitely annoying, but overall OR/AS was a great experience. Better than the originals? No. But they do some things differently and i thought those differences were fun. As well as being a graphical service. Quality of life updates.
If you grew up with gen 3 though, there was just something magical about playing through them the first time.
My choices for a perfect ORAS:
- Gym Leader Rematches.
- Battle Frontier (with the Battle Tower replaced with the Battle Maison, to forshadow Anabel's career change).
- Improved Boss Trainer Rosters:
Gym Leaders:
Roxanne: Perfectly fine. One Geodude is enough, no need for that 2nd they gave her in Emerald.
Brawly: Should've kept his Meditite from Emerald, but with a much better moveset (so not just Focus Punch for damage).
Wattson: Should've used his Emerald Team, but leading with Electrike instead of Voltorb (or remove one of them, see below).
Flannery: Actually has the best team in ORAS, with no repeats and 3 different Pokémon (which is why Wattson is fine with 3).
Norman: Should've used his Emerald Team, but leading with Vigoroth instead of Spinda (as it fits to lead with a devolved Ace).
Winona: I'd say she should use her Emerald Team without Swablu. (But I prefer Swellow over Skarmory for being from Hoenn.)
Tate & Liza: Four Pokémon like in Emerald, but instead of Xatu and Claydol they use Gallade and Gardevoir.
*Following Boss Trainers should have a Mega, so I'm giving them one. Even if it doesn't exist but deserves.*
Wallace: Mega Milotic for both battles, and replace the Gym Seaking for a Crawdaunt, like Juan did.
Elite 4:
Sidney: Mega Absol in initial battle. I do prefer Emerald's Crawdaunt over Sharpedo due to Team Aqua.
Phoebe: Mega Sableye in inital battle and replace one Banette with Shedinja, you coward.
(Mega Banette can also work and puts it more on par with Dusknoir, but Mega Sableye wasn't in XY. Either is fine.)
Glacia: Mega Glalie in inital battle and replace one Froslass with Castform, as her thing is Hail.
Drake: Mega Salamence in initial battle. I do prefer Emerald's lack of 2 Flygon and lead Shelgon, though.
(Final) Rematch Teams, mostly chosen from B2W2's PWT Hoenn Leaders Tournament:
Gym Leaders (where only Tate & Liza stick to Doubles Battles, unlike Emerald. With one exception...):
Roxanne: Golem, Aggron, Relicanth, Cradily, Armaldo and Mega Probopass.
Brawly: Machamp, Breloom, Medicham, Heracross, Blaziken (instead of Hitmontop) and Mega Hariyama.
Wattson (Double): Plusle, Minun, Magnezone, Electrode, Raichu (though I prefer Lanturn) and Mega Manectric.
Flannery: Magcargo, Camerupt, Houndoom, Rapidash (instead of Magmortar) Blaziken and Mega Torkoal.
Norman: Linoone and Delcatty (instead of Kecleon and Castform), Spinda, Zangoose, Exploud, and Mega Slaking.
Winona: Swellow, Altaria, Skarmory, Pelipper, Ninjask (instead of Honchcrow) and Mega Tropius.
Tate: Grumpig, Gallade and Mega Solrock. Liza: Chimecho, Gardevoir and Mega Lunatone.
Wallace: Just his Champion Team.
Juan: Skipping him as he doesn't appear. He could easily replace Wallace for Rematches or be a bonus boss, though.
Elite 4:
Sidney: Same "issue" regarding Crawdaunt vs Sharpedo. I also think Zoroark doesn't really work due to a Type Specialty.
I'd say replace it with Hydreigon so he has a Psuedo-Legendary (that's also from Unova like the two other additions).
Phoebe: Same "issue" regarding Mega Sableye vs Mega Banette. Prefectly fine otherwise, as Shedinja sucks lol.
Glacia: Perfectly fine right away. No need for the sometimes Ice-Type Castform (and it sucks too).
Drake: Perfectly fine. All strong, no repeats, one Psuedo. I would make Haxorus the lead for being pure Dragon.
Steven: Skarmory, Mawile, Steelix, Scizor, Aggron and Mega Metagross.
I went for this Team as I wanted an actual Mono Steel-Type Team. Not to mention his Team isn't consistent:
- Aerodactyl (which is used in the Battle Maison) and Carbink replacing Cradily and Armaldo in the ORAS Rematch.
- Archeops and Excadrill replacing Skarmory and Claydol in the PWT.
So my choice for his team is the lead Skarmory, followed by 5 Steel-Types able to Mega Evolve (like Aerodactyl can).
Still a Ground-Type like Claydol (and exactly like Excadrill), a Fairy-Type like Carbink and a Bug-Type like Armaldo.
Zinnia (First): Tyrantrum, Noivern (instead of Altaria) and Goodra (instead of Salamence).
Zinnia (Second): Tyrantrum, Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, Hydreigon and Mega Goodra.
The first Team is the 3 Kalos Pokémon she actually uses in the second battle, while also reflecting my change in Ace.
The second Team is the (up to that point) only Dragon-Type Fossil and all Psuedo-Legendary Dragon-Type Pokémon.
This felt much more fitting, due to you having Mega Rayquaza. So she should have a Team of 6 Pokémon.
As such, Noivern and Altaria got replaced with Dragonite, dropping her Dragon/Flying Pokémon from 3 to 2.
Then a Garchomp and Hydreigon got added and Salamence lost its Ace and Mega spot due to Drake covering that.
Instead, her Ace is the Goodra, which is why I replaced Salamence for it in the first battle as well desite her still using one.
It made sense due to being from Kalos like most of her team (and now with just the lead) and her only pure Dragon-Type.
New Mega Types and Reason:
Mega Probopass: Rock/Steel. Because Mega Aggron is no longer a Rock-Type, so I had to choose the other.
Mega Hariyama: Fighting/Water. Brawly does already work with Water and Hariyama can learn Surf.
Mega Torkoal: Fire/Steel. As it didn't feel right to make it Fire/Rock or keep it pure Fire-Type.
Mega Slaking: Normal. To keep Normal with an actual Mono-Normal Team.
Mega Tropius: Grass/Flying. It fits with Fortree and Lisia took Mega Altaria (which isn't a Flying-Type anymore anyway).
Mega Solrock: Fire/Psychic. Litteraly a Sun and can learn quite a number of Fire-Type moves (and Solar Beam).
Mega Lunatone: Ice/Psychic. Solrock's opposite and can learn quite a number of Ice-Type moves, though not by Level Up.
Mega Milotic: Water/Fairy. The already Fairy-Type looking counterpart to the Dark-Type Mega Gyarados.
Mega Goodra: Dragon/Water. It litteraly evolves when in the Rain and naturally learns a number of Water-Type Moves.
ORAS were really good with the exception of the battle frontier troll
3:47 New Mauville is actually locked to after fighting the box legends in the Cave of Origin. Too bad you can’t visit it of your own volition, but at least it isn’t postgame.
I have to disagree about "player freedom". Everyone is making a fuss about it, like it's the most important thing in the world, when it's actually not that big of a deal (in my opinion).
Sure, you could argue that putting a roadblock until you've beaten the gym is objectively a bad thing, since if it wasn't there, you could continue without beating the gym, but still beat it right now if you wanted to. However, is really letting the player leave the town without beating the gym letting them more freedom ? Especially when the game has been imagined for you to beat the gym at that moment, and not come back later when you've got 10 more levels. By doing that, you're gonna have to grind a little to compensate for the fights you missed in the gym, and then, when you'll finally beat the gym, it's gonna be boring because you were supposed to beat it sooner and now you're overlevelled. Plus, the game still forces you to visit the towns in a certain order, and when you take that into account, it's pretty counterintuitive to leave the town without beating the gym.
5:49
About that very specific line, I have to strongly disagree. Actually, I think making the progression in Johto linear would help resolve its arguably biggest problem : the progression. Think about it, after beating Morty, you have access to two different "plotlines" that you can do in any order you want : the Olivine plotline, and the Mahogany plotline. But since the levels are the same, no matter which plotline you do first, you're gonna be overlevelled for the second. Forcing the player to do them in a certain order would allow the levels in the second plotline to be higher than in the first one, making the progression more linear.
On a more positive note, I really like your take on Emerald inclusions (at 7:37). It even makes me wonder, why even make a RS remake and not directly an Emerald remake. Emerald is already somewhat of a RS remake, why not improve on what has already been improved instead of going back to square one ?
I pray for a Delta Emerald version for the switch where they take ORAS and add more Emerald features, improve on some miscellaneous things, and up the difficulty a bit(like giving certain gym leaders megas and giving Tate and Liza more than TWO BLOODY POKEMON)
ORAS has the physical/special split so it's clearly the superior game.
Good somebody said it. I'm sorry but as good as Emerald is in theory I will never go back to that game because so many Pokemon can't use S.T.A.B well as the split had yet to happen.
Overhated, definitely. I do recognize their *many* flaws, but in the end I still think they are worthy retellings of one of the best Pokemon generations. If nothing else, if even one kid played these games and became curious enough to get their hands on an old Gameboy Advanced and play the originals, I'd say ORAS justified their existence.
But yeah, still salty Emerald didn't get its own big budget remake. >:(
I have two prominent memories of this game: 1. I accidentally killed Deoxys and 2. I liked being able to fly in 3D on Latias. Otherwise, though, the game felt too average.
Delta Episode slander?! That was the best thing these games did!! It expanded on so much wonderful Pokemon lore and gave us Zinnia!!
My first game was sapphire and I loved ORAS best gen best region
Emerald , HG/SS, & Platinum are the ideal Pokémon games in my opinion. I totally agree that these remakes should have implemented all the Emerald improvements. Hell they should have just remade Emerald but two versions makes more money is the Game Freak mission statement.
Platinum & HGSS. I agree. Emerald? Ehhhh. It's ok-aish. Nothing amazing.
The only Gen 3 game I played was Colosseum so ORAS was my first Hoenn experience and I loved it. Gen 3 in general was where I dropped off the Pokemon hype so Hoenn is never gonna be my favourite but I found ORAS much more satisfying than X and Y and probably more than any Pokemon game since. I can kinda get it for those who played Emerald but as I never have I can’t compare. Overhated for sure!
Pretty informative critiques beyond "no fronteir". Which IS an ass omission, just cool to see someone not repeat the same song lol
The only real problem I can think of would be the lack of the battle frontier and maybe getting handed a free latias/latios. Pretty solid visual upgrade with interesting new megas and it was nice having a few newer pokemon available towards the end. That's mainly why the dp remakes look so disappointing to me, they look worse than the 3ds games and we probably won't be able to use any of the newer pokemon so I don't really see any point in buying those when my copy of platinum works fine and looks better.
Imagine if future dive routes are like the wild area with visible mons and full 3D exploration
I honestly didn't like ORAS. I mean, yes. I'll admit, without it exploring and sending over Pokémon from Hoenn would be tedious and expensive. And yes, the character redesigns were WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than their originals! Definitely for sure!
But the truth is, FireRed and LeafGreen as well as HeartGold and SoulSilver were made because you LITERALLY CAN'T send Pokémon over from the GameBoy/GameBoy Colour games over to the GameBoy Advance. The hardware literally wouldn't allow it. So connecting Kanto and Johto to Gen III and IV was only possible through remakes. And in my opinion, FR/LG and HG/SS were the definitive versions of their regions. But you can still technically send Pokémon from Hoenn in GBA all the way to Pokémon X and Y. It can be done.
To me, ORAS also didn't feel like a definitive version of Hoenn, but rather an alternate version. And while Johto's remakes got all the extra bells and whistles that came with Crystal Version, ORAS got absolutely nothing from Emerald. The Delta Episode doesn't count as far as I'm concerned.
Aaaaaaaand, it was the demand for Hoenn remakes that became the reason why we never got a Pokémon Z, and why Kalos will continuously be a VERY boring region.
I won't even start with BrilliantDiamond and ShiningPearl. To be honest, I think Nintendo and Game Freak should stop making remakes all together. Just no more. Instead, port the originals over and yeah, remaster and touch them up slightly if you want. But make it so that you can still send Pokémon from these games to newer ones. Kinda like how the Virtual Console Gen I and II games worked with Poké Transporter and Pokémon Bank. If they ported every game from Generation 1 - 7 onto the Switch and sold them all individually, they would make a freaking killing. Of course, Gen III - V games should still connect with each other for backwards compatibility trading like before.
Anyways, that's enough rambling. Sorry.
I love ORAS so much
This was the last Pokémon game I played. The massive disappointments that were XY and ORAS killed my interest in the series. To me, Pokémon peaked with B2W2 and proceeded to jump off said peak straight to depths of complete mediocrity.
After playing through BW I started to get a bit burnt out on Pokémon and didn’t really feel interested in the series anymore. It wasn’t til ORAS was announced that my love for the franchise began to return; I played through the original RS and XY a lot in the months leading up to its launch. While I am a bit sad about some of ORAS’s best features (DexNav, Soaring, etc) being exclusive to them, it also makes sense as they make the games special and worth revisiting from time to time
So when BDSP come out in November can we expect a comparison between them and Base DP?
Not even a comparison tbh. Bdsp somehow looks worse than the ds games
Orignal were trash bdsp better
Umm... New Mauville and the Thunderbolt TM are *not* post-game exclusive. They open up to you after defeating the cover Legendary.
Still later than usual.
Y does he say good morning twice????????????????
You gonna do a video retrospective of Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl when those games come out later this year?
Great video man honestly I agree with most of your points my major complaint is that it’s just too easy I don’t have a gameboy anymore or emerald leaf green but I can always try my hardest to make oras actually hard
I used mightyana (sad it didn't get a mega)
Mightyena is awesome! Hope he gets some love some day
Guys Just Imagine If We Get A Emerald Remakes..."DELTA EMERALD" with all the things like Battle Frontier And All of the things From Emerald and Also with Mega Evolution For Nintendo Switch...Man it would be Too Dope
ORAS vs Emerald really comes down to oreference and what you want out of the games. If you want a higher difficulty and a post game battle frontier, emerald is the better choice. If you prefer story, characters, and quality of life stuff, ORAS is the pick. ORAS and Emerald sit as my first and third favorite games in the series respectively, with only Black and White 2 in between
I had so much nostalgia with these since Ruby was my intro to Pokémon🙂
Thanks, I hate the amount of adoration the whole multiverse theory gets in the fandom. The Pokémon games haven't been canon consistent for a very long time. No exposition was needed.
RubySapphireEmerald and ORAS are both excellent Pokémon games! Some of the best tbh! Definitely over-hated, the Pokémon are amazing and gen 3 evolved the franchise in so many ways! Hoenn is one of the best regions and the music/characters/stories are all great