Is the Scram 411 a better buy than the Himalayan? : PowerDrift
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- Same same but different! Based on the same 411cc engine, the Royal Enfield Himalayan and the Scram 411 are nearly identical. However, when it comes to saddle time, the experience is quite different for both motorcycles. While the Scram focuses primarily on city riding, the Himalayan comes in handy when the roads get bad. Which one makes more sense? Shumi and Varun Painter are back once again. Shumi and Varun Painter are back once again to find out if the scrambler is better than the ADV.
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Hey #PDArmy, what's your pick - the Scram or the Himalayan? Comment below, and hit that Like button for more!
I would take a 250 Himalayan given where the petrol prices are going
Himalyan 450
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"It's not how much inches you got, it's what you do with it" - Shumi 2022.
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Subtle ques by shumi 😅
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@@vinayakvinayak5205 boom
I test rode both and found the Scram to be more enjoyable. The small changes have indeed added up to a significant change in the riding experience. The front end felt more connected and the more basic instrument readout makes you focus more on riding and less on checking one's blood pressure!
The missing items of utility on the Scram vs the Himalayan are not minor. The lack of switchable ABS is a huge miss and the rear ABS cuts in at the thought of touching the rear brake. I would much rather take out the fuse indefinitely. The reduced ground clearance may be an issue once in a while and the Scram misses out on the tank rails which are great for shifting some luggage weight forward and balancing out the bike.
But then you buy a bike to have fun too. Also, you don't ride the brochure. You ride the motorcycle. So, how it feels to ride and how it makes you feel is important.
Its time they started making spoke wheel design for tubeless tyres. And Schumi, you can call the hybrid Scramalaya.
It would raise the price to much here in India even BS VI increased the price a lot.
@@corychartier7961 not really. It's just means a redesign. Check out the wheel pattern of any big ADV like the GS1200.
@@henrynathan357 yes 500 extra dollars on wheels for a gs not a big deal but if they raise the price another 60000rupees in india sales drop
@@corychartier7961 why does it have to be Rs.60000 over and above the cost of the alloy wheels? Doesn't Royal Enfield make spoke wheels at cost? Just change that design to accommodate tubeless tyres. BTW, I heard they are doing that with the new 450 Himalayan.
@@henrynathan357 if they do that even with the 450 I will be surprised it requires purchasing new equipment and providing training and more time to make each wheel so they will cost more that is why you only find spoked tubeless tires on high-end bikes.
You both have discussed, as you think so.
If alloy wheel of Classic350's available for same size then why not this option is given in MIY program for Scram 411.l
Need a recommendation for a bike that covers city well, that zooms past faster, good city menover , that includes the bad traffic, pot holes and dug up roads . Also occasional touring, and bad road sections.
I use a Yamaha commuter that does well in city , but would like to move ahead with more powerful bikes .
I travel 60km min a day in city and weekend travel when I get time.
Ktm 390 duke / adv x
Vstrom 250
RE / Triumph
For now Im looking at 3.5 as budget but want a machine for next 3 years
With Himalayan, what I always feel it lacks is a 6th gear. The engine feels like it can do much more but it's being tamed unnecessarily. What do you folks think?
Its not going to go faster with 6th gear, number of gears don't affect the top speed of the engine. It's 24bhp that's all it can do.
@@AJ-oc1uj buddy it's not about speed but power delivery and performance smoothness. So the ideal combination for Himalayan would have been a 6 speed gearbox for distributing the performance band to it's best utilisation.
Can we have the same tune of scram in Older Himalayan ??? And can we ask for the same in Showroom
An ideal Scrambler from the RE stable, would have been to playaround with the Continental. Well that’s just a view, whilst am sure RE would have done their market research.
Hey PD, great video! When you say, the scram's engine has a new "map" and that the new Himalayans will have that too, could you explain what is this "map" which makes the riding more smoother? I rode both of them back to back and there was a considerable difference between scram and Himalayan 2021.
If the scram's gonna take himalayan's position in recent future....then i think RE should think about a 650 cc setup for their next himalayn line up....it will be interesting....i mean they have their 650 cc line up and those are very popular in India as well as internationally....
Does the scram 411 and himalayan have same engine heat while riding in traffic..?
Thank you for talking about the alloy wheels. I think they should really introduce alloy wheels for continental GT and interceptor.
So are we not gonna talk about the thumbnail 😂😂
Why dont they give liquid cooling?
I am so confused bw Yezdi and RE.
Some say YEZDI can trouble and be expensive in maintenance and part availability.
But Engine and Power of Yezdi is a bit more efficient it seems?
Why don't these bikes offer alloy wheels? I mean other than the cost saving. For off-road? I can understand for a dirt bike or a 300kg heavy adv bike.
But here in India, Unless specifically needed by a specialist rider on a special bike, Alloy wheels will do the job 99% of the time and also keep the puncture repair problem so easy!
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Powerdrift team , u guys are champ in identifying each bikes details w.r.t it’s past , present and future aspects 👍. Great overall discussion for both of u.
Is it possible to change the instrument cluster of Scram similar to Himalayan?
So shumi should one buy the scram 412 now or wait for 450 to get launched?
Ex Himalayan owner here, ridden for 21600 km before I moved to the Duke 390. Would pick the scram over the himmy eyes closed, if you aren’t a technically trained off-roader and a majorly road tourer. The 21 inch wheel is a dealbreaker for road touring. Just change the tyres to more grippy road based ones the CEAT is shit
Tyre type of scram 411 is tubeless/ tube ??
Himalayan has just more outright functionality. Yea small things will matter less in a day to day ride. But what you lose out on the Scram, its better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Best comment 👌
Bought the Scram 411 on Ugadi festival , so far I love how crazy good it looks and how light it feels on road compared to the OG Himalayan 🤟🔥☺️.
Which colour ? 🤔 I want the white one but it has way to much booking
@@UtkarshxKaushik I love the white one too. How much difference is there in the waiting period of the white one and the others?
@@UtkarshxKaushik I got the blazing black one ☺️and it’s gorgeous . Yes the white one is 3.5k expensive and has a huge waitlist . Infact all models will start to have waiting list from April , that’s why I picked up the launch model itself.
Same here buddy! I've to got mine on Ugadi too. Already covered 350kms on it. Had to limit speed to 60 anyways. Riding experience was great 🤘.
@@UtkarshxKaushik I've got white flame 🔥, instantly bought without booking 😛
Excellent comparison. I have just ordered a Scram, having considered the Himalayan previously. The Scram ticked all the boxes for me, as someone who is unlikely to be going off road. The option of alloys would definitely have appealed to me.
Hey buddy how is the bike working for you how is it ? Am looking to buy one
@@adityadave3748 excellent bike. I have ridden cruisers for 20 years, so this was a big change. No regrets at all.
@@haxan6663 Can the Scram cruise comfortable at 130 kph.. 🤔 What's top speed... 140 ish or... 🤔
*Crap Game*
None from these, better to get Yezdi Scrambler/Adventure. Yezdi Scrambler is more fun than these 2 oldies.
Heyyy!! Amazing video!!! Just wanted to know if Scram411 is a good motorcycle for a beginner (first bike)
Links for that sr71 blackbird t-shirt?
Everyone talks about the specs ,looks scram off roader, engine....Nobody talks about the quality of the Steel/iron that RE uses.. its way shitter call it the 'Fe' is not high the welds digs out the metel when it breaks ..
My list to "Santa" for a new RE Scram design:
1_ New tubeless 19 wheels
2_ Six speed gearbox
3_ KYB inverted forks.
4_ LED lights.
5_ Brembo disc brakes.
6_ 15 HP extras.
7_ Switchable ABS.
8_ Stainless steel exhaust system.
10_ Satin Green color scheme and brown leather comfy seat with diamond patterns.
11_ Same price as 411
Hahahahahaha😆 Come on Santa you can do it!
Scram should had included the switchable abs with an company fitted led headlight.
Thumbnail deserves an Oscar 🤣🤣
Himalayan - Undertaker
Scram- Roman Reigns
Can we travel to Ladakh on scram 411?
Can you downsize Scram to a 17 inch tyre?
Maybe fit Tubeless alloys?
MRF Zappers could be easy swaps right?
90/90 - 17
130/90 - R17
Given the option, will definitely go for Scram.
I would want to see if those pods on the side of the scram’s tank could be replaced with some sport bike style sliders. Then lace up a 17 inch front wheel and presto-chango you have a supermoto.
Does the Scram soak up humps as good as the Himalayan does?
Loved Varun's Blackbird Tee.
Scram is definitely better suited to a larger consumer base.
Noticed the smug smile on Varun's face, when Shumi said It's not the inches that matters, what matters is what you do with it.... 😜
This was a very anticipated video, Fully Enjoyed. Right now I’m riding my last Year Himalayan and my best friend may go with the Scram soon. Though as of now I’m keeping my patience and Money 💰 To Check Out the Upcoming Baby. ✌️
Hi PowerDrift, please do a simplified episode on when to use leaning or counter leaning while cornering.
Another channel called Fortnine has an amazing video on this subject. Try taking a glance at it until we get simplified video on that topic.
@@prajwoltiwari4464 that is an amazing video and covers the topic more or less in the same manner as simplified but with better presentation in terms of graphics.
@@prajwoltiwari4464 Thanks, I had checked the video and found the explanation not simplified enough. The presenter Ryan was too technical.
For the new Himalayan they can use scram411 engine (with slight tunning), better suspension, in terms of looks TFT display,led headlight (like the one in new Harley Davidson's), little trim on wind screen.
"It's not how many inches you got
It's what you do with it"
This had me😆
I think Himalayan should get the 650 twin cylinder engine to become a serious option in its segment…there is no issue with the styling as such for me…it just lacks the power!!
Very insightful and helpful review.. Amazing work PD
actually, they got the thumbnail wrong. Himalayan is more undertaker, old school, never out of purpose. While scram is more funky like Cena.
Whoever designed the poster deserves a raise🤣🤣
RE really needs to invent different design to meet different purpose. As Himalayan is focused to off-road they should made the new bike focused to on-road!
there is ! its meteor 😅
@@SanketKambli That is focused on Highway 🙃
@@tanvirmehedi7570 you asked this.
"they should made the new bike focused to on-road!"
meteor does that job perfectly.
Next-gen classic 350 or scram 411?
Which should I buy between Royal Enfield Classic 350 and Himalayan 411?
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8th.
My opinion about the engine is I feel keep the air cooled and just up the bhp and torque . I’m getting the scram as a garage mate to my Ducati scrambler 1100
I'm curious about how good of a street motorcycle the Scram 411 will be with a 17-inch wheel at the front 🤔
Petrol high cost changed my mind 😂 2lacs ka bike lo fir monthly 4000 ka petrol dalo 🙏
I would so love a 650 scram and Himalayan. plus bring that 120 anniversary theme to all REs not just 650 twins.
Launch date of KTM RC 390 2022?
Can plz tell me about engine heating issue. Because I am going to buy this bike for my daily usage. Per day Avg 50km i have to drive. For my office I have to drive 22km to reach. Up and down 45km per day. So plz tel me bike heating and city milage..
And you have your answers ladies and gents
BUY NONE… thank you and keep watching sold out powerdrift
I beleive new Himalayan will get the 650 from the interceptor worked for the off road
But to be Honest I was 100% satisfied with the braking bcz in Indian Roads we mostly around 80-100kmph n at that speed it stopped nicely n i ride my Himalayan around 30k so braking not the issue here n still with that old engine it can do all that things it is made for.
Really. I test rode these two and came out shaken. The brakes are really bad. Like really baad. If an unexpected thing happens on the road, which is common in India. I don't think you can stop it in time.
Don't encourage RE to stick with the existing setup.
@@sivajay968 I am not encouraging it i m just told that the way engine tuned for the purpose it can easily do that yes u can't cruise around 120-130kmph as it's a 400cc engine, so looking forward for a better engine .
Please make a video on scram vs classic 350
Those two are most hard core critic ... And love to watch them to review each and every motorcycle
Haha! Being honest.
It is what it is…..
4:17 low seat height?
Loved the discussion, based on knowledge , experience and love. Himalayan and scramble are both unique. To cut the anxiety apply the rule, when in doubt buy both. Ride forever!
The 'RO' reminded me of Honda's 'Di6'.
Yes, they definitely need to get alloys for both the bikes
- Nope.
17:25 Spoke wheels are better for off roading than alloy wheels..as they absorb shocks.. easily
Scram should have 140 rear tyre and 110 front tyre...this would have been a great hit...
Scram411 could have alloys as an option.also because ABS is always on.
Great convo guys! Loved it! Lot of nice points discussed👌👌👏👏👏👏👍
Would love Himalayan 650.. that’s would be perfect!!
If possible Put 350 cc engine and cut down the weight by 10-20 kg in scram 411 , boom 💥
Simply shumi, new Himalayan should come with a 650cc twin .
ktm adventure 250 or scram 411?
Its not about How many Inches, it's about how it perfom.
Hi guys please do the comparison between new classic 350 vs scram 411... I like the look of scram 411 but the engine is not good.. but the classic 350 engine is good... I confused between these two.. 🙏
What's the problem in Himalayan engine?
Just bought the Himalayan Scram 411 and it looks so stunning and comfortable to ride!!
How is the engine heat, is that manageable in city conditions?
Mileage
Why do these bikes have less rpm 4500? Have seen 7000 being very common
Just asking. Learning.
The guy on the right side is only India guy that I understand.
What a strange dilemma. The RE scram looks meh 👎🏼 but the Yezdi scram is a beaut.😍 Whereas the Yezdi adventure looks meh 👎🏼 but the Himalayan is a beaut. 😍. 😅😅😅😅😂
P.S. not a hate comment. Just a fun personal opinion based only on looks. All four bikes are great in their respective fields.
15:12 I'll call that SCRAMALAYAN 😂
I rode both. Scram feels small compared to Himalayan. Handlebars felt too close and proportions didn't feel right for me. I'm 6 feet tall. I think Scram is for people who find Himalayan too much.
What is Dual-Purpose tyres is used in Scram as RE call ???
Is it is Puncture free - Tubeless tyre.
Varun paying homage to SR71 Blackbird is what I love about PD
If the new one is a scram 450, Himalayan should culminate into the 650 family, it would also look cool, with the meteor there, and classic also in the works.
Lol. But it has water 😂😂😂
royal Enfield should go for 650 engine, make it a tiger 660 like a bike in an affordable price range , more into touring segment
Honestly i don't get the point of the scram, it's just a fancy Himalayan that doesn't really want to go off-road. Hima have everything that you need for a daily use, off-road use, or trip use. Scram just loose everything to gain some colors and aesthetic. An 18 inch wheel doesn't make it a street bike, but neither an off-road one. I personally don't like things that stand in the middle of nowhere.
If this was a podcast, I would have believed Varun is Rohan Joshi in disguise. Are you listening AIB gang?
"lts not abt how many inches you got...
It's what you do with it..."
- Sensei Shumi
The scram one but with abs switch 💣
"It's not how many inches you have got. It's what you do with it"
-Shumi
Eagerly waiting for 450 Himalayan
650 Himalyan is much anticipated & i hope they design it better
I would pick the new Himalayan. This Scram is good but its just a response to Yezdi and will delay the new Himalayan launch. That's why it's frustrating
Why do you even care about it being a consumer.
@J GURURAJ it's a good bike. Just delaying the new Himalayan, that's all I am saying.
The new Himalayan is supposed to be way better but they are giving a good bike now instead of focusing on a great bike first.
@@Nikhilsharma-dp9tw reason above
Varun is still waiting for Shumi to stop speaking 😂
The new himalayan should use 650 twin engine optimised for adventure
15:08 Scramlaya
😂
still waiting on roadster vs meteor guys!
RE fan boys talking 🤣🤣🤣
According to them RE always great 🤣
400cc machine no liquid cool, no slipper clutch and off road bike you can't turn of abs lol,
And according to them this bike are great👏🤣
No need of slipper clutch and liquid cooling, but switchable ABS is a must
Guys, is this a good time to buy a new bike? Or should wait for a year?