Tbh, treyarch’s obsession with “in your face narrative” killed zombies for me. The cutscenes, focus on lore, character dialogue being 80 percent story focused, Easter egg heavy design, etc ruined what made zombies great during the Xbox 360 era. Bo3 took zombies in a direction that I think has only made the mode less and less special with each new installment. Now it’s impossible to “chill and play” without characters babbling in your ear about the story/maps being flooded with over-produced magical effects, etc
for me, bo4 zombies felt like they had some good ideas, but, it was executed very poorly. maybe if they didn't get budget cuts and time constrained, we would've gotten a much better project. i loved the effort put into this video!
Remember when people we’re hoping for a transit remake/remaster. To have it how the devs wanted it, but were too limited by tech. And then it just never happened even tho it could’ve been cool, since they found out how to do transportation pretty ok. Not like I would’ve bought the game just for it like black ops 3’s chronicles
Me and my brother play zombies. Im an EE fanatic and he’s more of a high rounder. When the classified’s EE was discovered, he was happy that it was a high round because treyarch was finally giving something to the high round community, but pissed that it was damn near impossible at the time because the game kept crashing so damn much.
I like classified because it let's me just chill in a fun map with fun characters. Five I like as a challenge with fun characters, but classified I think has a far better vibe and the changes made to the map make it simpler to move around. The random teleporters were just frustrating, seeing where I'm going is nice and it can create tense hildouts when I need to grab a new shield. The pentagon thief being replaced by dogs idrm, and I do like the story. Having a simple map I think is good, if I had to change anything about classified I would have the ee cutscenes at something like round 63 (map takes place 1963 so pulling from that) and I would make it a free map so it could entice new players in with a simple and digestible map.
I understand. But in my opinion I believe it took away the fundamental components of what made five fun to me while not adding or replacing it with something cool.
as much of a hot take it is, I love alpha omega, I enjoy the mk2 variants and how tight the map is. the power system sucks for sure thats my main complaint of the map. But primis and ultimis being mixed together is something that I wanted for a really long time because I thought it would be cool.
I remember back in 2020 when quarantine was going on I was bored as shit so i decided to do the tag Easter egg in a group post and i remember we got to the final part and the guy I was playing with went down and died so I had to cluch up and I was at the last part where you had to hold out and the circle was getting small I almost died and I was so close to death and then the part was over and i remember shouting in excitement and when i completed it I felt so accomplished 💀
I downloaded a waw mod map of nuketown and it was essentially the alpha omega map. This was before bo4 even came out so I’m not sure how much effort was put into bo4. Wish I still had that laptop
I heard Treyarch made those Aether Remakes to end Aether off this way because creating a new Aether map breaks in more storyline gaps, hence, Chaos Story existed in the first place to make new maps.
Man it's kinda depressing to hear that this grand story and the fate of these characters we've come to care for over the years was just abruptly ended because the developers were forced to drop it and work on the next game. And then another studio who probably had very little to do with the og story had to come and finish it off, probably with a limited time and budget.
Thanks man. These videos are so fun to make and I’m glad people enjoy them. I’m getting gameplay for another game as we speak. So don’t worry bro I plan to make more of these videos in the future.
I really wish they would axe BO4 as non-canon or hypothetical or have some event roll it back because outside of the Blood of the Dead cutscene and learning more about Broken Arrow the story in this game was abysmal and robbed by Activision.
@@riot9179 i disagree, the main issue with bo3 is that we got revelations instead of the great war, i think Dr. Monty never should have existed, it should have been Maxis and Richtofen vs the shadow man
this video was so good but just watching the difference in gameplay between bo2 and bo4 really shows how different of a direction the games went in i mean just with all the flashy effects and shit i felt like i was developing epilepsy, let alone how painfully mid the game is
It's pretty fun seeing the dialogue about these maps open up. And honestly, I think all of these maps had potential, they just got gimped out of the gate, thanks Activision. If anything it's kind of a sad sign since Chaos got a lot of the focus and the celebrity crew, while Aether got some sub par remakes. I didn't play Blops 4 at the start and only played it a little later but I found myself drawn to Classified and Alpha Omega more, in the aether maps. They were generally more accessible, I think.
TBH, I'd take Revelations ending to be canon. At least I don't have to buy any other COD and just download custom maps if I get bored with the vanilla ones
Just giving some advice. If you want to stop the echo on your voice just hang some blankets up on your walls or heck even just throw one over your setup while you record lol. Still excellent job overall
to explain my setup. Imagine a minecraft 6x4 block house with nothing inside except my setup. I would like to improve it later. (I also don't have that many blankets lmao). I would still hope that the echo doesn't take away that much from the video.
BO4 zombies is criminally underrated and overhated. I’ll get crucified for this, but it’s better than BO2 zombies, which was carried by mob of the dead and origins
I would agree. the thing is though, the caliber that was expected from the game was way more than it delivered. the development was so far off the developers' promises that the game is basically half complete. hell the game wasn't even finished by treyarch. in my opinion, the only maps that are great in this game were the chaos maps, which to their credit were great. the aether maps on the other hand were plagued by a terrible design philosophy. the maps were basically intact with additional space added as an accessory. it basically removed any freedom in designing the maps the way the devs intended. it's unfortunate man but even though I like bo4, the game underdelivered
It was fine until Alpha Omega. Alpha Omega completely ruined the game when the game finally got fixed and was starting to become better. Blood > Mob imo but there is reason to play Mob over Blood. Same thing about Five.
small gripe and i don't think it really matters, but I'm almost positive Group 935 didn't create the staffs. I'm pretty nerdy about the zombies lore and I think its presence has something to do with the magic/115/spirit of the Wolf King/Great War shenanigans. Now that I think about it, when I start my channel, I think that should be one of the first videos I make because there isn't alot of information about the Wrath of the Ancients widely known. But as always, you da man Moon.
@@zestymoon yeah staffs are confirmed Group 935 replicas of the staffs Primis used in the Great War. Maxis made the schematics and Richtofen followed through on them. As for the bows, I'd assume given that the dragons on DE have no sort of mechanical design features to their functionality, it'd most likely be Keeper magic and the Wrath of the Ancients is a reward of sorts from the Keepers who we know have a vested interest in the castle considering the Wolf King fought along side the Keepers during the Great War.
I feel like classifieds ee was a good idea for a bonus man cause as a nod to the highrounders but the main issue was the game didn't work long enough to even get it
@@zestymoon 150 is not absurd, people who play high rounds play for way longer then 9 hours n if the ee community can't handle high rounds when it's a big part of the player base then idk what to tell ya Idk for me it felt nice to have an ee dedicated to highrounds cause I mean high rounds are what made waw zombies so replayable so it's a nice homage to the past n to what made the game what it is tbh tho they shoulda made it round 115
@@willkennedy3562 I guess we’ll agree to disagree. If it was getting to round 100 I would do it cause it’s only 3 hours, while 150 is 12 hours in comparison.
@@zestymoon that's fair I mean like I said honestly it's shoulda been round 115 a round that's not to hard to get to n don't take too much longer then round 100 lol jus imagine if they put this ee in bo1 where round 150 would take alot longer then 12 hours
It was clear that the Aether story Bo4 maps were always supposed to be remakes. However the last 2 dlc felt so hollow because activision had cut treyarchs budget after bad fan reception from dlc’s 1 and 2. Which i always said could have been easily avoided if dlc 1 and 2 were aether story and dlc 3 and 4 were chaos.
Honestly I both love and hate Tag. On the one hand, it’s a pretty solid map (if you ignore the universal BO4 problems) that does in some ways improve on COTD. Also it’s a very nice looking map despite being on BO4, which is a pretty ugly game overall imo. However, making a COTD remake that removed EVERYTHING fun and unique about the original (VR11, Scavenger, George and even the OG Waffe) is an unforgivable move to me. I still love it because it’s still essentially COTD which is one of my favorites, but I can’t help but wish it was a straight up remaster like Chronicles
I think on the topic of the uninspired nature of the mkIIs, I think the excuse of them being copied by broken arrow is really silly. Like the winters howl has the same backstory but with the ray gun, and the thunder gun with the wonderwaffe these counter examples just show how pressed treyarch was when making alpha omega
Is there a way I could have a conversation with you about zombies as a whole? You offer such a unique perspective from most of the zombies community, even more so than myself and the group I play with who definitely look at things much differently than most. But you have a great wealth of knowledge on the game mode and I'd love to have a sit down conversation with you about how you see things, tweaks you would've made to certain maps, opinions on unique design choices of certain things and so on. Also, I have a great deal of respect for the amount of interactivity you have with your fanbase, especially as someone who is garnering far more viewership than the subscriber count would indicate.
Personally, I think one of the main issues with the remakes is they don’t play nearly as well. The zombie AI changed, but Treyarch still made maps for the older games. So small, tight corridors. But the gameplay doesn’t work with that, the more predictive zombie ai (going to where you’re moving instead of where you were) discourages tight trains and clutch escapes. So while the tight hallways of Mob lead to nice skill curves, the same hallways in blood lead to frustrating downs that almost feel inescapable.
I love blood of the dead and the chaos maps, classified is a fun shit post map with ultimus Richtofen but something original wouldve been way better. Despise alpha omega and tag though
Never played Black Ops 4, never will but one thing that always bugs me when I see gameplay the zombies mode is how the hell does a key insert into a zombie shield & how does that key have the ability to zap zombies?? (or suck their souls or whatever tf it does) For the two previous games the shields were just meant to protect the player from zombie attacks form behind, now they have a whole locking mechanism inside that allows keys to be inserted & turned? Tf kind of idea was that
What last chaos map? We got ancient evil and the only unreleased chaos map I have heard whisperings of is Atlantis which apparently didn't make it very far. I would love to know about more scrapped/unreleased content involving the chaos crew. They weren't interesting when bo4 came out but I want to know what their plans were with them.
Every map in bo4 is namecoded in a certain color. For example in development if they wanted to load alpha omega, they would load a code called ZM-White. I know that tag was ZM-orange and and ancient evil was ZM-red. not really sure of the others. There’s a code for an unreleased map called ZM-blue. That’s confirmed. As for the details of the map, there’s nothing. What I speculate is that the map will have something to do with Egyptian mythology. In the blackmarket of bo4’s multiplayer, a melee weapon called eye of apophis is in the dlc weapon catalog that you can use. And apophis is the god of chaos in the egyptian mythos. But that’s not confirmed anywhere so we really will never know
@@zestymoon yea the eye of apophis weapon did seem strangely added to the game and seems like something made for zombies specifically. I knew about the color coding and have heard both that ZM blue was supposed to be Egypt themed or it Atlantis themed. From what I have heard though ZM blue didn't make it very far in development. it's weird to think that there was an extra chaos map planned. It reminds me of the code used in bo2 to be a placeholder for dlc that everybody was excited about, thinking that dlc 5 was going to be a thing.
I am one of those guys that prefer aether over chaos maps for some reason. A map being unoriginal never bothered me, as the gameplay of the aether maps are very different from the things they remade. I think they are all better then the originals with the possible exception of blood of the dead, i think it blows mob out of the water in some areas yet fucks it up massively in other (looking at you moving pap machine with no way to know where it is). My personal fav of the bunch is Alpha Omega suprisingly, I only have 2 major gripes with it, the pap system (the part where it turns of to be more specific), and the nova 6 bombers (not the jolting jacks, I kinda like them, a very overhated enemy in my opinion). The mk2 variants while being very uninspired are still a lot of fun to use, especially the dual wield one (unfortunatly, its hot garbage) and the explosive one. Oh and the easter egg is fantastic as it actually makes sense instead of suffering the revelations syndrome as I like to call it (basicly its just when steps make no sense at all). Oh and rushmore is probably one of my favorite ai companions in video game history, he's just so charmantic and never fails to put a smile to my face. Don't have much to say about the other 3, I like em too just not as much. Wat i do have to say is that im tired of people shitting on the tundra gun, like its not that bad, it has more ammo, makes getting dynamite parts incredibly easy and has a massive range advantage, the only thing the thundergun does better is not having a massive splash damage, so phd is recommended if you want to run it but still its not bad.
My thing with the tundra gun is that it feels uninspired like the rayguns in alpha omega, Specially when you look at in context. This the last map in the storyline with it being the forth remake. And like the other remakes, they make wonder weapons that are not that different from what we got in the past. I don’t really hate it, it just confuses me that’s all.
Seeing as how Call of the Dead is one of my all time favourite maps, I did enjoy Tag der Toten. It fixed some of Call of the Dead’s issues but it still wasn’t as amazing as the original. The fact that the flinger has to be built is one of the reasons why I thought it wasn’t as superior, I literally have no idea why the developers implemented this awful idea.
I don't get why people were thinking that we'd fight in the Great War, everything in the storyline was pointing that the crew was never going since timeline changed.
Yeah good point, where the fuck was Monty during tag DER toten. Like you think considering at the start of the season he became the antagonist we would've had more to hear from him, fuck he should've been the final boss for tag but nope
i don't really see how they where a disaster blood wasn't bad, it's just the only bad thing about it was pap moving all over the place and some of ee steps, other than that it's solid classified was a amazing remake and fixed all the issues of five, the new pap area opening up more and more every 3 rounds when you go there. alpha omega wasn't bad but the valves being clogged all the time really drags the map through the mud, plus nuketown just doesn't work as a zombies map and tag is a pretty great map, the heat pack helps alot and the tundragun with phd is a incredible wonder weapon.
@@VOLDGAMER1 this video is pretty outdated. What I tried to point out is the playerbase’s reception to the maps, which were pretty negative. I plan on remaking my bo4 at some point in the future with more coherence
Bo4 should have focused on expanding upon the aether storyline rather than ending it and splitting up the content to cater towards an entirely separate storyline that nobody asked for… *cough* *cough* chaos… *cough*
My thoughts are very mixed on the remakes. I love Alpha Omega and like Tag, tolerate blood and hate Classified. I feel like Classified and Blood remove the mystery, fun, and character of their maps. Alpha Omega changes Nuketown in a fun and interesting way with more content and really fun to use ray guns (I do wish the others besides yellow had more ammo). I think Tag is so close to being a good map but it just takes way too much setup for me and the wonder weapons sound cool on paper, but just suck to use. Blood's best feature for me is the easier solo experience and the magmagat. I think a remake or re imagine of a map should add to the experience or make an entirely new one, which is what Tag and Alpha do perfectly imo.
Alpha Omega is literally the worst map to ever exist. Blood and Classified are good imo. Blood fails as a remaster but it’s a good remake. Tag is mid imo but arguably good. Remakes were becoming so stale by Alpha Omega.
I think that Tag der Toten was a good map, bought me back to basic zombies and classic experience, after the disappointing Alpha Omega and the utter insanity that is Chaos. I've been missing that kind of zombies.
Say what you want about the remakes but Tag Der Toten is an example of a remake done right. The layout takes what Call of the Dead did and expanded on those ideas. The quest itself is pretty awesome aside and there’s a ton of side content. And the writing while not perfect still managed to craft a beautiful ending that puts Revelations ending to shame.
I would say tag would’ve been much better if it came before blood and classified. Like I said in the video tag had terrible timing which made it suffer
the thing for me in BO4 is that after completing the absolutely tedious and overcomplecated easter eggs, it gave me a HUGE sense of dopamine, satisfaction and accomplishment.
Blood of the Dead is one of my favorite maps and I think I like it even more than Mob. The atmosphere and story of that map is one of, if not the best of all of zombies in my opinion. When you play that map, it really amplifies the feeling of isolation and hopelessness. Everything from the dialogue, the soundtrack, everything about the atmosphere, etc. And I just like the side quests on that map. The Redeemer can be quite fun and easy to get as long as you start on an early round. I play Blood multiple times a week and I almost always have the Redeemer by round 10. I always use the Ethereal Razor perk on that map cause it goes great with the golden spork. Sometimes I’ll even get the spork knife with it too if I’m up for a challenge. The Acid Gat, in my opinion, is better than the Magmagat if you use PHD with it (which I do every game). I also put the game on hardcore every time so it tends to make for a fun challenge. I just find the gameplay overall to be really enjoyable. As far as the Easter Egg goes, I can’t really make any comments about it as I don’t do Easter Eggs, but from what you and other people say about it, it does sound quite terrible. But as far as just playing the map regularly, I think it’s quite good. I really like Alpha Omega as well because of the Ray Gun mark 2 variants. I upgrade all 4 of them every game. I really like Tag der Toten as well. Training in front of the lighthouse with the thundergun or tundragun is quite fun and I like the wonder weapon variety on that map. Not to mention that it’s visually beautiful. The only one I agree that isn’t very good is Classified. Even as a huge BO4 zombies fan, I do not understand why people romanticize Classified as the best BO4 Aether map. It’s so boring and as you said, it has very little content. Overall, I like the BO4 remakes and I prefer them over the Chaos maps. Even though I do like the Chaos maps for the most part.
It’s very rare to fine someone that mostly prefers aether over chaos in bo4. But it makes sense. these maps do have alot of redeeming qualities. It’s just that to me at least, most choices they make are very confusing and unnecessary. I still find these maps way better than people give them credit for.
I think the blood take is honestly a skill issue . Just because you had a tough time with the ee and couldn’t manage you shield doesn’t make it a bad ee but makes you bad at the ee. The WR solo with classics is 45 min lol. Even if you double that , that’s still half of what it took you. The only really bad thing about the blood ee and map is doing the bird step 4 times and no pack a punch indicator.
Something I forgot to clarify is that it was my first attempt, which is why it took that long. It’s fair to call that game that a skill issue, however that doesn’t discredit the point I was making, which is that it’s tedious easter egg. it’s not a thrilling experience to consistently get kills with the shield to charge it up, or consistently trying to find the shock box to recharge it. This is worsened by how flimsy the shield is, as breaking the shield will remove any shield blasts you had. And since literally every step relies on the shield, any problems with it are amplified
I’m one of the few who thinks this, but I think _Cold War_ is objectively the best _CoD_ since _Black Ops 2_. I hated the Cthulhu /hentai take on the game. I The story became so convoluted unless you’re a full-time content creator. “EaStER EgG” focused narratives means the average player can’t enjoy the content they paid for. I hate how main quests are called Easter eggs, and that’s the only thing that mattered, not the gameplay. _Cold War_ was the soft-reset the story, gameplay, & community *needed.* It certainly wasn’t perfect, but it brought life to the franchise.
I i feel like tag der toten is the worst out them all in terms of it does not feel like a final map to a zombies game let alone the final map for aether
Personally, for Blood of the Dead, I just wanted the Afterlife mechanic back. The shield does feels like paper 😆. The easter egg steps are pretty tedious. Speaking of tedious steps, the steps for just getting to PAP in Dead of the Night... 😐
It's not hard at all, for one thing, and second, do you really need to PAP your guns before round 5? 10? You can get to PAP easily before you ever really need to in the first place. Shangri La is tedious, needing to ready the stairs every time you want to do it. Tedious is Die Rise and Tranzit. DotN just has you kill zombies and lead a ghost and then PAP is set for the whole game. It's one of the least tedious in modern zombies.
@@Tristan14177 that was the one I was referring to. The fact that they literally have zero reaction towards a richtofen hidden in a cryo-freezer is disastrous writing
I love how there's 30min worth of bad things to talk about for BO4 zombies and that's just for the aether maps and some of their elements alone. Someone could probably make an 8 hour long video fully critiquing the whole zombies mode.
I think the problem is that people can’t separate the new maps from the old maps, I understand that obviously they will be compared but they’re supposed to be a new experience not try to be the same the old maps but with updated graphics. Thats why they’re remakes not remasters like chronicles but as long as people can’t separate the new from the old bo4 will always receive massive hate Edit. Alpha omega is a horrific map sorry to those who like it 😂
It’s kinda hard not to consider the OG versions of these maps. This is mainly because of the map layout of each of these remakes are additions to the original layout of these maps, resulting in it feeling clunky. Blood is the perfect example of this
Zest moob, I have a love for Alpha Omega and Tag Der Toten because of their yummy weapon choices of the Ray Gun Mark 2's, The Tundra GUN, and the Scoped Wonder Waffle. But I am too broke to afford it because the stupid xbox store makes it so all of the maps by themselves are offsale except classified. I did not like Black Ops 4 a lot but the Aether map remakes fill my heart with joy. Also I lobe ultimis takeo😁
black ops 4: the shit chaos side story and just remake valley its disappointing they didn't bother using 3D for the last cutscenes of the aether story the thank all goes too chaos for taking the budget
@@Ahhkiba "Classified" removed the Pentagon Thief which was an unnecessarily stressful presence in the early rounds and a nuisance on later rounds, buffed the Winter's Howl to actually be usable, and connected "Five" to the Aether storyline and other maps in the franchise like "Moon" (I like "Classified", but it's definitely my least favorite Aether map in BO4). "Blood of the Dead" put our favorite crew in one of the best zombies maps of all time but removed the admittedly tedious at times setup of "Mob of the Dead" and again, connected "Mob of the Dead" to the Aether storyline and provided a resolution to the MotD crew. "Alpha Omega" doubled the size of "Nuketown" and actually gave the map some storyline connection by revealing that it is a Broken Arrow facility as well as the birthplace of the Avogadro and gave us four variants of the Ray Gun Mark II that are all easy to obtain and better than the original. Finally, "Tag Der Toten" took "Call of the Dead" and highlighted it's positives, eliminated it's negatives, and added it's own flair to it such as the Wunderwaffe DG-Scharfschutze, the Tundragun, and Samantha's Music Box.
It seems in the video its all about negative sides about a game. Black ops 4 was one of the Best zombie games for me. I respect the problems you see, but if its all negative then why are you even playing it.. 😅
Well mainly the design of the video I had at the time was to mainly take a look at the negatives only and not look at anything else. Because if I tried covering everything, the video will so much longer. I now learned that trying to limit the things I say for the sake of the length of the video is a bad idea. I just did a bo2 video that is over 2 hours long. Take a look at it and see how I changed the way I do things if you like.
They weren’t? Mate, it utterly deprived all interest from the mode. Tag der toten, which is the end of the story, had worse marketing than any aether map in bo4. If you like the maps, fair enough. But to say that the affect the maps had on zombies weren’t disastrous, that is false.
@zestymoon all of the remakes we're improvements on the originals but don't play like the og's. They aren't remasters, they're remakes so it doesn't invalidate the originals and you can still go back to them and have those unique experiences.
@@CJSanta I never said that the maps invalidated the ogs at all. What I said is that there performance was bad enough that many lost interest in zombies. Less and less people were playing bo4, and one of the reasons was having the main interest of bo4, aether, being portrayed in remakes. Because of remakes, the game did worse. Trying to say otherwise is mathematically impossible.
@@zestymoon I disagree, I believe the negativity from the zombies community was a big part of that. The real reason for bo4 not doing so well at the time was the lackluster chaos story and Blundell's insistence that it was not connected to Aether at all. Which failed, that's why the Dark Aether story is clearly defined as a sequel story. Because they knew players wouldn't care if the slate was completely clean.
@@CJSanta the chaos story is indeed a part of bo4's downfall. but what alpha omega proved was that bo4 had the chance to rebound. it's why the marketing for alpha omega did so well. but it's release was the final nail in the coffin. it was a major disappointment for most, losing most player retention within only a week of release. and tag never managed to replicate the success of alpha omega's marketing. I believe that you and I are on a stalemate. so we'll agree to disagree.
@@zestymoon well first the map are all perfect (except tag) Excellent design Excellent secret (tag💀) The weapon are great We now have the bots in zombie And the enjoyability is great too Honestly in my mind bo2 is the greatest but objectively i know that its bo4
I see where you're coming from but honestly I'd play any bo4 remake map over any cold war map. Even shitty alpha omega has 10x more personality than any cold war map has. Cold war has issues in its gameplay and is still good, but damn is it soulless , has no atmosphere, and is boring asf. Alpha Omega and Botd may be terrible from a gameplay perspective, but at least they have personality and atmosphere, which all cold war maps lack.
while I have the complete opposite opinion to this, I can understand your point of view. the reason the cold war maps feel the way they do is because they were made in a more efficient manner to preserve recourses . while you could argue that it made the maps feel like AI generated assets, you could also say that it was probably the better call to focus on the gameplay elements more. I fall into the latter of the two, which is why I like cold war more than this game. I guess you fall into the former of the two, since you prefer bo4 more.
Calling BotD's quest bad is insane considering MotD has one of the worst of all time. There's only like 8 zombies maps that actually have good main quests.
Tbh, treyarch’s obsession with “in your face narrative” killed zombies for me. The cutscenes, focus on lore, character dialogue being 80 percent story focused, Easter egg heavy design, etc ruined what made zombies great during the Xbox 360 era.
Bo3 took zombies in a direction that I think has only made the mode less and less special with each new installment. Now it’s impossible to “chill and play” without characters babbling in your ear about the story/maps being flooded with over-produced magical effects, etc
“Let’s talk about classified “*drops the hardest five/ classified edit known to man*
for me, bo4 zombies felt like they had some good ideas, but, it was executed very poorly. maybe if they didn't get budget cuts and time constrained, we would've gotten a much better project. i loved the effort put into this video!
Remember when people we’re hoping for a transit remake/remaster. To have it how the devs wanted it, but were too limited by tech.
And then it just never happened even tho it could’ve been cool, since they found out how to do transportation pretty ok.
Not like I would’ve bought the game just for it like black ops 3’s chronicles
Me and my brother play zombies.
Im an EE fanatic and he’s more of a high rounder.
When the classified’s EE was discovered, he was happy that it was a high round because treyarch was finally giving something to the high round community, but pissed that it was damn near impossible at the time because the game kept crashing so damn much.
the fact that I heard Drew’s first theme in the intro made me immediately love the video
I like classified because it let's me just chill in a fun map with fun characters. Five I like as a challenge with fun characters, but classified I think has a far better vibe and the changes made to the map make it simpler to move around. The random teleporters were just frustrating, seeing where I'm going is nice and it can create tense hildouts when I need to grab a new shield. The pentagon thief being replaced by dogs idrm, and I do like the story. Having a simple map I think is good, if I had to change anything about classified I would have the ee cutscenes at something like round 63 (map takes place 1963 so pulling from that) and I would make it a free map so it could entice new players in with a simple and digestible map.
I understand. But in my opinion I believe it took away the fundamental components of what made five fun to me while not adding or replacing it with something cool.
as much of a hot take it is, I love alpha omega, I enjoy the mk2 variants and how tight the map is. the power system sucks for sure thats my main complaint of the map. But primis and ultimis being mixed together is something that I wanted for a really long time because I thought it would be cool.
I remember back in 2020 when quarantine was going on I was bored as shit so i decided to do the tag Easter egg in a group post and i remember we got to the final part and the guy I was playing with went down and died so I had to cluch up and I was at the last part where you had to hold out and the circle was getting small I almost died and I was so close to death and then the part was over and i remember shouting in excitement and when i completed it I felt so accomplished 💀
Just discovered you, I wanted someone to make video essays about zombies to fill my zombies nostalgia meter,I just found the perfect creator!
another banger of a killer channel. keep it up my guy
"Since it was made during the Cold War, it is significantly more racist." I lol'd at this pretty hard.
I downloaded a waw mod map of nuketown and it was essentially the alpha omega map. This was before bo4 even came out so I’m not sure how much effort was put into bo4. Wish I still had that laptop
I heard Treyarch made those Aether Remakes to end Aether off this way because creating a new Aether map breaks in more storyline gaps, hence, Chaos Story existed in the first place to make new maps.
If that’s the case, then they did not have the time or resources to do it properly.
Man it's kinda depressing to hear that this grand story and the fate of these characters we've come to care for over the years was just abruptly ended because the developers were forced to drop it and work on the next game. And then another studio who probably had very little to do with the og story had to come and finish it off, probably with a limited time and budget.
Loved the video. First time watcher and you have a bright TH-cam future keep it up
Zombies in this game would have x1000 better if they didn’t focus so much on blackout.
the amount of times ive rewatched ur last 3 videos is nuts. please post more essay style videos like these with the other games too. much love brother
Thanks man. These videos are so fun to make and I’m glad people enjoy them. I’m getting gameplay for another game as we speak. So don’t worry bro I plan to make more of these videos in the future.
@@zestymoon 💰🙌 ill see u at a mil brother
The freaking editing on alpha Omega, i am in heaven
I really wish they would axe BO4 as non-canon or hypothetical or have some event roll it back because outside of the Blood of the Dead cutscene and learning more about Broken Arrow the story in this game was abysmal and robbed by Activision.
BO4 story is far better than Bo3 but okay. Also Chaos was awesome.
Technically Bo3 was the oficial ending of aether, wrapping up everything in a cycle.
@@riot9179 i disagree, the main issue with bo3 is that we got revelations instead of the great war, i think Dr. Monty never should have existed, it should have been Maxis and Richtofen vs the shadow man
@@riot9179🤡
@@riot9179 BO4's story really was abysmal. It makes it worse that the game focused more on the story than the actual gameplay
this video was so good but just watching the difference in gameplay between bo2 and bo4 really shows how different of a direction the games went in
i mean just with all the flashy effects and shit i felt like i was developing epilepsy, let alone how painfully mid the game is
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Fun video love long vids about zombies keep it up
It's pretty fun seeing the dialogue about these maps open up. And honestly, I think all of these maps had potential, they just got gimped out of the gate, thanks Activision. If anything it's kind of a sad sign since Chaos got a lot of the focus and the celebrity crew, while Aether got some sub par remakes. I didn't play Blops 4 at the start and only played it a little later but I found myself drawn to Classified and Alpha Omega more, in the aether maps. They were generally more accessible, I think.
TBH, I'd take Revelations ending to be canon. At least I don't have to buy any other COD and just download custom maps if I get bored with the vanilla ones
It might be a better ending tbh. Bo4’s ending is a giant plot hole that makes no sense
finnally, a fresh perspective of bo4 even if it is only slightly.
I love this high quality vid Zesty❤️❤️❤️
Can we just agree that BO4 isnt canon? 😂
Just giving some advice. If you want to stop the echo on your voice just hang some blankets up on your walls or heck even just throw one over your setup while you record lol. Still excellent job overall
to explain my setup. Imagine a minecraft 6x4 block house with nothing inside except my setup.
I would like to improve it later. (I also don't have that many blankets lmao). I would still hope that the echo doesn't take away that much from the video.
BO4 zombies is criminally underrated and overhated. I’ll get crucified for this, but it’s better than BO2 zombies, which was carried by mob of the dead and origins
I would agree. the thing is though, the caliber that was expected from the game was way more than it delivered. the development was so far off the developers' promises that the game is basically half complete. hell the game wasn't even finished by treyarch. in my opinion, the only maps that are great in this game were the chaos maps, which to their credit were great. the aether maps on the other hand were plagued by a terrible design philosophy. the maps were basically intact with additional space added as an accessory. it basically removed any freedom in designing the maps the way the devs intended. it's unfortunate man but even though I like bo4, the game underdelivered
you’re not invited to my birthday party anymore
Been watching since 30 or so subs, glad to see you are getting the exposure you deserve, keep it up!
Thank you for keeping up with me man. I really appreciate it
It was fine until Alpha Omega. Alpha Omega completely ruined the game when the game finally got fixed and was starting to become better. Blood > Mob imo but there is reason to play Mob over Blood. Same thing about Five.
small gripe and i don't think it really matters, but I'm almost positive Group 935 didn't create the staffs. I'm pretty nerdy about the zombies lore and I think its presence has something to do with the magic/115/spirit of the Wolf King/Great War shenanigans. Now that I think about it, when I start my channel, I think that should be one of the first videos I make because there isn't alot of information about the Wrath of the Ancients widely known. But as always, you da man Moon.
Maxis made copies of the staffs. as for the bows I’m not really sure but I would assume that they have something to do with the keeper in the map.
@@zestymoon yeah staffs are confirmed Group 935 replicas of the staffs Primis used in the Great War. Maxis made the schematics and Richtofen followed through on them.
As for the bows, I'd assume given that the dragons on DE have no sort of mechanical design features to their functionality, it'd most likely be Keeper magic and the Wrath of the Ancients is a reward of sorts from the Keepers who we know have a vested interest in the castle considering the Wolf King fought along side the Keepers during the Great War.
I feel like classifieds ee was a good idea for a bonus man cause as a nod to the highrounders but the main issue was the game didn't work long enough to even get it
It would’ve made more sense for it to be round 100. 150 is absurd. The difference between round 100 and 150 is around the range of 9 hours.
@@zestymoon 150 is not absurd, people who play high rounds play for way longer then 9 hours n if the ee community can't handle high rounds when it's a big part of the player base then idk what to tell ya Idk for me it felt nice to have an ee dedicated to highrounds cause I mean high rounds are what made waw zombies so replayable so it's a nice homage to the past n to what made the game what it is tbh tho they shoulda made it round 115
@@willkennedy3562 I guess we’ll agree to disagree. If it was getting to round 100 I would do it cause it’s only 3 hours, while 150 is 12 hours in comparison.
@@zestymoon that's fair I mean like I said honestly it's shoulda been round 115 a round that's not to hard to get to n don't take too much longer then round 100 lol jus imagine if they put this ee in bo1 where round 150 would take alot longer then 12 hours
It was clear that the Aether story Bo4 maps were always supposed to be remakes. However the last 2 dlc felt so hollow because activision had cut treyarchs budget after bad fan reception from dlc’s 1 and 2. Which i always said could have been easily avoided if dlc 1 and 2 were aether story and dlc 3 and 4 were chaos.
Honestly I both love and hate Tag. On the one hand, it’s a pretty solid map (if you ignore the universal BO4 problems) that does in some ways improve on COTD. Also it’s a very nice looking map despite being on BO4, which is a pretty ugly game overall imo. However, making a COTD remake that removed EVERYTHING fun and unique about the original (VR11, Scavenger, George and even the OG Waffe) is an unforgivable move to me. I still love it because it’s still essentially COTD which is one of my favorites, but I can’t help but wish it was a straight up remaster like Chronicles
I think on the topic of the uninspired nature of the mkIIs, I think the excuse of them being copied by broken arrow is really silly. Like the winters howl has the same backstory but with the ray gun, and the thunder gun with the wonderwaffe these counter examples just show how pressed treyarch was when making alpha omega
Is there a way I could have a conversation with you about zombies as a whole? You offer such a unique perspective from most of the zombies community, even more so than myself and the group I play with who definitely look at things much differently than most. But you have a great wealth of knowledge on the game mode and I'd love to have a sit down conversation with you about how you see things, tweaks you would've made to certain maps, opinions on unique design choices of certain things and so on. Also, I have a great deal of respect for the amount of interactivity you have with your fanbase, especially as someone who is garnering far more viewership than the subscriber count would indicate.
@@zestymoon Username is:
Edward Richtofen#0344
The problem with this is that if I were talk to you. I have to talk to everyone that asks me. So sorry man I can’t do it
@@zestymoon That's definitely understandable. But then why tell me to post my discord?
@@chasedixon1492 Because I just thought of the possibility that it could happen. I’m sorry Bro
@@zestymoon you’re good man. Keep up the good work. You should still add me though lol
Personally, I think one of the main issues with the remakes is they don’t play nearly as well. The zombie AI changed, but Treyarch still made maps for the older games. So small, tight corridors. But the gameplay doesn’t work with that, the more predictive zombie ai (going to where you’re moving instead of where you were) discourages tight trains and clutch escapes. So while the tight hallways of Mob lead to nice skill curves, the same hallways in blood lead to frustrating downs that almost feel inescapable.
That’s actually a very good point. One thing thing that I forgot to bring up all together was the engine all together.
My guy used the best wwe theme song for the intro!
I see someone has some class in this comment section
I love blood of the dead and the chaos maps, classified is a fun shit post map with ultimus Richtofen but something original wouldve been way better. Despise alpha omega and tag though
Never played Black Ops 4, never will but one thing that always bugs me when I see gameplay the zombies mode is how the hell does a key insert into a zombie shield & how does that key have the ability to zap zombies?? (or suck their souls or whatever tf it does) For the two previous games the shields were just meant to protect the player from zombie attacks form behind, now they have a whole locking mechanism inside that allows keys to be inserted & turned? Tf kind of idea was that
All of these maps besides omega made changes that removed the identity of the originals. Omega only gets a pass cause nuketown was insanely small
What last chaos map? We got ancient evil and the only unreleased chaos map I have heard whisperings of is Atlantis which apparently didn't make it very far. I would love to know about more scrapped/unreleased content involving the chaos crew. They weren't interesting when bo4 came out but I want to know what their plans were with them.
Every map in bo4 is namecoded in a certain color. For example in development if they wanted to load alpha omega, they would load a code called ZM-White. I know that tag was ZM-orange and and ancient evil was ZM-red. not really sure of the others. There’s a code for an unreleased map called ZM-blue. That’s confirmed. As for the details of the map, there’s nothing. What I speculate is that the map will have something to do with Egyptian mythology. In the blackmarket of bo4’s multiplayer, a melee weapon called eye of apophis is in the dlc weapon catalog that you can use. And apophis is the god of chaos in the egyptian mythos. But that’s not confirmed anywhere so we really will never know
@@zestymoon yea the eye of apophis weapon did seem strangely added to the game and seems like something made for zombies specifically. I knew about the color coding and have heard both that ZM blue was supposed to be Egypt themed or it Atlantis themed. From what I have heard though ZM blue didn't make it very far in development. it's weird to think that there was an extra chaos map planned. It reminds me of the code used in bo2 to be a placeholder for dlc that everybody was excited about, thinking that dlc 5 was going to be a thing.
I am one of those guys that prefer aether over chaos maps for some reason. A map being unoriginal never bothered me, as the gameplay of the aether maps are very different from the things they remade. I think they are all better then the originals with the possible exception of blood of the dead, i think it blows mob out of the water in some areas yet fucks it up massively in other (looking at you moving pap machine with no way to know where it is). My personal fav of the bunch is Alpha Omega suprisingly, I only have 2 major gripes with it, the pap system (the part where it turns of to be more specific), and the nova 6 bombers (not the jolting jacks, I kinda like them, a very overhated enemy in my opinion). The mk2 variants while being very uninspired are still a lot of fun to use, especially the dual wield one (unfortunatly, its hot garbage) and the explosive one. Oh and the easter egg is fantastic as it actually makes sense instead of suffering the revelations syndrome as I like to call it (basicly its just when steps make no sense at all). Oh and rushmore is probably one of my favorite ai companions in video game history, he's just so charmantic and never fails to put a smile to my face. Don't have much to say about the other 3, I like em too just not as much. Wat i do have to say is that im tired of people shitting on the tundra gun, like its not that bad, it has more ammo, makes getting dynamite parts incredibly easy and has a massive range advantage, the only thing the thundergun does better is not having a massive splash damage, so phd is recommended if you want to run it but still its not bad.
My thing with the tundra gun is that it feels uninspired like the rayguns in alpha omega, Specially when you look at in context. This the last map in the storyline with it being the forth remake. And like the other remakes, they make wonder weapons that are not that different from what we got in the past. I don’t really hate it, it just confuses me that’s all.
This channel is so underrated, also I know I heard broken dreams at the beginning of this video, are you a fellow wrestling fan???
I used to watch wwe alot back in the day. Songs like broken dreams are iconic
ZESTYYYYYYYYY😩😩😩😩😩 these edits go hard my guy❤❤
Seeing as how Call of the Dead is one of my all time favourite maps, I did enjoy Tag der Toten. It fixed some of Call of the Dead’s issues but it still wasn’t as amazing as the original. The fact that the flinger has to be built is one of the reasons why I thought it wasn’t as superior, I literally have no idea why the developers implemented this awful idea.
It felt like it was there to artificially increase downtime.
I don't get why people were thinking that we'd fight in the Great War, everything in the storyline was pointing that the crew was never going since timeline changed.
Well in the classified end cutscene, the nikolai literally said that they were gonna fight the great war.
@@zestymoon ye I think they fought but we didn’t get to see nor play in it. Which was why they were celebrating at the ending of Tag’s cutscene
Yeah good point, where the fuck was Monty during tag DER toten. Like you think considering at the start of the season he became the antagonist we would've had more to hear from him, fuck he should've been the final boss for tag but nope
i don't really see how they where a disaster
blood wasn't bad, it's just the only bad thing about it was pap moving all over the place and some of ee steps, other than that it's solid
classified was a amazing remake and fixed all the issues of five, the new pap area opening up more and more every 3 rounds when you go there.
alpha omega wasn't bad but the valves being clogged all the time really drags the map through the mud, plus nuketown just doesn't work as a zombies map
and tag is a pretty great map, the heat pack helps alot and the tundragun with phd is a incredible wonder weapon.
@@VOLDGAMER1 this video is pretty outdated. What I tried to point out is the playerbase’s reception to the maps, which were pretty negative. I plan on remaking my bo4 at some point in the future with more coherence
Bo4 should have focused on expanding upon the aether storyline rather than ending it and splitting up the content to cater towards an entirely separate storyline that nobody asked for… *cough* *cough* chaos… *cough*
Hot take: BO1 was Chronicles 1, BO3 was Chronicles 2 and BO4 was Chronicles 3. Everybody is waiting for Chronicles 4
That’s pretty much a fact at this point
@@zestymoon you’d be surprised how many people deny it
@@Thatraiderswagkidlate but agree
I think classified is better than five but that’s about it 🤷♂️ AO was terrible, Blood was Blood and Tag was mid 🤷♂️
Broken dreams is such a fire song
My thoughts are very mixed on the remakes. I love Alpha Omega and like Tag, tolerate blood and hate Classified. I feel like Classified and Blood remove the mystery, fun, and character of their maps. Alpha Omega changes Nuketown in a fun and interesting way with more content and really fun to use ray guns (I do wish the others besides yellow had more ammo). I think Tag is so close to being a good map but it just takes way too much setup for me and the wonder weapons sound cool on paper, but just suck to use. Blood's best feature for me is the easier solo experience and the magmagat. I think a remake or re imagine of a map should add to the experience or make an entirely new one, which is what Tag and Alpha do perfectly imo.
Alpha Omega is literally the worst map to ever exist. Blood and Classified are good imo. Blood fails as a remaster but it’s a good remake. Tag is mid imo but arguably good. Remakes were becoming so stale by Alpha Omega.
@@OminousBlast Nope. Alpha Omega is good, like Blood and Tag. You are just idiot
@@riot9179 learn how to spell first bozo
I think that Tag der Toten was a good map, bought me back to basic zombies and classic experience, after the disappointing Alpha Omega and the utter insanity that is Chaos. I've been missing that kind of zombies.
It’s one of the better remakes for sure. It unfortunately was in the wrong place at the wrong time to get the credit it deserved
Say what you want about the remakes but Tag Der Toten is an example of a remake done right. The layout takes what Call of the Dead did and expanded on those ideas. The quest itself is pretty awesome aside and there’s a ton of side content. And the writing while not perfect still managed to craft a beautiful ending that puts Revelations ending to shame.
I would say tag would’ve been much better if it came before blood and classified. Like I said in the video tag had terrible timing which made it suffer
I’ll never forgive them for butchering a decade long story with the shitty call of the dead remake and slideshow “cutscenes”
multi billion dollar corporation doesn't even bother hiring animators for the literally end of the story
the thing for me in BO4 is that after completing the absolutely tedious and overcomplecated easter eggs, it gave me a HUGE sense of dopamine, satisfaction and accomplishment.
Lex needs to see this.
I don’t think he will. I hope he does though
Bo4 zombies was a disaster so... yup this checks out
Blood of the Dead is one of my favorite maps and I think I like it even more than Mob. The atmosphere and story of that map is one of, if not the best of all of zombies in my opinion. When you play that map, it really amplifies the feeling of isolation and hopelessness. Everything from the dialogue, the soundtrack, everything about the atmosphere, etc. And I just like the side quests on that map. The Redeemer can be quite fun and easy to get as long as you start on an early round. I play Blood multiple times a week and I almost always have the Redeemer by round 10. I always use the Ethereal Razor perk on that map cause it goes great with the golden spork. Sometimes I’ll even get the spork knife with it too if I’m up for a challenge. The Acid Gat, in my opinion, is better than the Magmagat if you use PHD with it (which I do every game). I also put the game on hardcore every time so it tends to make for a fun challenge. I just find the gameplay overall to be really enjoyable. As far as the Easter Egg goes, I can’t really make any comments about it as I don’t do Easter Eggs, but from what you and other people say about it, it does sound quite terrible. But as far as just playing the map regularly, I think it’s quite good. I really like Alpha Omega as well because of the Ray Gun mark 2 variants. I upgrade all 4 of them every game. I really like Tag der Toten as well. Training in front of the lighthouse with the thundergun or tundragun is quite fun and I like the wonder weapon variety on that map. Not to mention that it’s visually beautiful. The only one I agree that isn’t very good is Classified. Even as a huge BO4 zombies fan, I do not understand why people romanticize Classified as the best BO4 Aether map. It’s so boring and as you said, it has very little content. Overall, I like the BO4 remakes and I prefer them over the Chaos maps. Even though I do like the Chaos maps for the most part.
It’s very rare to fine someone that mostly prefers aether over chaos in bo4. But it makes sense. these maps do have alot of redeeming qualities. It’s just that to me at least, most choices they make are very confusing and unnecessary. I still find these maps way better than people give them credit for.
@@zestymoon i prefer aether maps than chaos map and i think most part of brazilian zombies community
*says the same thing as me
you’re tweaking
@@marbl3d45 nope, its simple: we like the easter egg, the atmosphere and lore and we like a faster gameplay, but many people like mob too
I think the blood take is honestly a skill issue . Just because you had a tough time with the ee and couldn’t manage you shield doesn’t make it a bad ee but makes you bad at the ee. The WR solo with classics is 45 min lol. Even if you double that , that’s still half of what it took you. The only really bad thing about the blood ee and map is doing the bird step 4 times and no pack a punch indicator.
Something I forgot to clarify is that it was my first attempt, which is why it took that long. It’s fair to call that game that a skill issue, however that doesn’t discredit the point I was making, which is that it’s tedious easter egg. it’s not a thrilling experience to consistently get kills with the shield to charge it up, or consistently trying to find the shock box to recharge it. This is worsened by how flimsy the shield is, as breaking the shield will remove any shield blasts you had. And since literally every step relies on the shield, any problems with it are amplified
I’m one of the few who thinks this, but I think _Cold War_ is objectively the best _CoD_ since _Black Ops 2_. I hated the Cthulhu /hentai take on the game. I
The story became so convoluted unless you’re a full-time content creator. “EaStER EgG” focused narratives means the average player can’t enjoy the content they paid for. I hate how main quests are called Easter eggs, and that’s the only thing that mattered, not the gameplay.
_Cold War_ was the soft-reset the story, gameplay, & community *needed.* It certainly wasn’t perfect, but it brought life to the franchise.
I i feel like tag der toten is the worst out them all in terms of it does not feel like a final map to a zombies game let alone the final map for aether
When is the next video bro ? Lol just binged almost all of them
I have one that’s about to finish hopefully within the next 5 hours.
3:04a.m. 3/22/2023
Personally, for Blood of the Dead, I just wanted the Afterlife mechanic back. The shield does feels like paper 😆. The easter egg steps are pretty tedious. Speaking of tedious steps, the steps for just getting to PAP in Dead of the Night... 😐
It's not hard at all, for one thing, and second, do you really need to PAP your guns before round 5? 10? You can get to PAP easily before you ever really need to in the first place.
Shangri La is tedious, needing to ready the stairs every time you want to do it. Tedious is Die Rise and Tranzit. DotN just has you kill zombies and lead a ghost and then PAP is set for the whole game. It's one of the least tedious in modern zombies.
Nikolai talked about the cryo-freezer
Richtofen’s cryo freezer?
Victes, Richtofens didn’t appear until the boss fight. At least I’m pretty sure
@@Tristan14177 that was the one I was referring to. The fact that they literally have zero reaction towards a richtofen hidden in a cryo-freezer is disastrous writing
@@zestymoon hasn’t gotten any better either. I miss having a four-person crew with actual character development.
I see patients pays off
Why is the Audio panned to right from 9 mins on😭
Cause ya boy forgot to mono his tracks. My headset was so bad that I never noticed.
@@zestymoon haha dang😂
I immedietly heard it as soon as that one section started😂😂
I love how there's 30min worth of bad things to talk about for BO4 zombies and that's just for the aether maps and some of their elements alone. Someone could probably make an 8 hour long video fully critiquing the whole zombies mode.
I think the problem is that people can’t separate the new maps from the old maps, I understand that obviously they will be compared but they’re supposed to be a new experience not try to be the same the old maps but with updated graphics. Thats why they’re remakes not remasters like chronicles but as long as people can’t separate the new from the old bo4 will always receive massive hate
Edit. Alpha omega is a horrific map sorry to those who like it 😂
It’s kinda hard not to consider the OG versions of these maps. This is mainly because of the map layout of each of these remakes are additions to the original layout of these maps, resulting in it feeling clunky. Blood is the perfect example of this
Don’t agree with you, but I appreciate your insights, and perspectives which I wouldn’t have considered otherwise.
Do you notice your audio shifting left and right when editing too? Kinda distracting.
I think it has something to do with my recording program. I never even noticed myself until recently. It’ll be fixed in the next video hopefully
I think classified is much worse. No unique boss and the challenge of the original is gone . It took away what made five five
Zest moob, I have a love for Alpha Omega and Tag Der Toten because of their yummy weapon choices of the Ray Gun Mark 2's, The Tundra GUN, and the Scoped Wonder Waffle. But I am too broke to afford it because the stupid xbox store makes it so all of the maps by themselves are offsale except classified. I did not like Black Ops 4 a lot but the Aether map remakes fill my heart with joy.
Also I lobe ultimis takeo😁
Hey man if you enjoy these maps, more power to you.
What song was that in the first 10 seconds
I put all the songs in order in the description.
I agree with everything in the video but I think Classified is better than Five
Just my two cents
black ops 4: the shit chaos side story and just remake valley
its disappointing they didn't bother using 3D for the last cutscenes of the aether story the thank all goes too chaos for taking the budget
Hot take: all of the Black Ops 4 Aether remakes are better than the originals (yes, even Blood of the Dead).
Agreed
You’re tweaking
@@Ahhkiba
"Classified" removed the Pentagon Thief which was an unnecessarily stressful presence in the early rounds and a nuisance on later rounds, buffed the Winter's Howl to actually be usable, and connected "Five" to the Aether storyline and other maps in the franchise like "Moon" (I like "Classified", but it's definitely my least favorite Aether map in BO4).
"Blood of the Dead" put our favorite crew in one of the best zombies maps of all time but removed the admittedly tedious at times setup of "Mob of the Dead" and again, connected "Mob of the Dead" to the Aether storyline and provided a resolution to the MotD crew.
"Alpha Omega" doubled the size of "Nuketown" and actually gave the map some storyline connection by revealing that it is a Broken Arrow facility as well as the birthplace of the Avogadro and gave us four variants of the Ray Gun Mark II that are all easy to obtain and better than the original.
Finally, "Tag Der Toten" took "Call of the Dead" and highlighted it's positives, eliminated it's negatives, and added it's own flair to it such as the Wunderwaffe DG-Scharfschutze, the Tundragun, and Samantha's Music Box.
While I completely disagree with this, I do understand were your coming from
Dawg… NO
The remakes are better it’s just bo4s mechanics and gameplay that’s worse than the original versions
W editing
100% Agreed
this shit is amazing
It seems in the video its all about negative sides about a game. Black ops 4 was one of the Best zombie games for me. I respect the problems you see, but if its all negative then why are you even playing it.. 😅
Well mainly the design of the video I had at the time was to mainly take a look at the negatives only and not look at anything else. Because if I tried covering everything, the video will so much longer. I now learned that trying to limit the things I say for the sake of the length of the video is a bad idea. I just did a bo2 video that is over 2 hours long. Take a look at it and see how I changed the way I do things if you like.
I hate Fortnite, but even the cod zombies remakes on Fortnite are significantly better than black ops
It’s kinda sad
No they weren't.
They weren’t? Mate, it utterly deprived all interest from the mode. Tag der toten, which is the end of the story, had worse marketing than any aether map in bo4. If you like the maps, fair enough. But to say that the affect the maps had on zombies weren’t disastrous, that is false.
@zestymoon all of the remakes we're improvements on the originals but don't play like the og's. They aren't remasters, they're remakes so it doesn't invalidate the originals and you can still go back to them and have those unique experiences.
@@CJSanta I never said that the maps invalidated the ogs at all. What I said is that there performance was bad enough that many lost interest in zombies. Less and less people were playing bo4, and one of the reasons was having the main interest of bo4, aether, being portrayed in remakes. Because of remakes, the game did worse. Trying to say otherwise is mathematically impossible.
@@zestymoon I disagree, I believe the negativity from the zombies community was a big part of that. The real reason for bo4 not doing so well at the time was the lackluster chaos story and Blundell's insistence that it was not connected to Aether at all. Which failed, that's why the Dark Aether story is clearly defined as a sequel story. Because they knew players wouldn't care if the slate was completely clean.
@@CJSanta the chaos story is indeed a part of bo4's downfall. but what alpha omega proved was that bo4 had the chance to rebound. it's why the marketing for alpha omega did so well. but it's release was the final nail in the coffin. it was a major disappointment for most, losing most player retention within only a week of release. and tag never managed to replicate the success of alpha omega's marketing. I believe that you and I are on a stalemate. so we'll agree to disagree.
George Romero made call of the dead. The remake is pure trash
Let’s remake a map and remove the core concept of the map out of it. That makes sense
Better title: “Black ops 4 was a disaster”
black ops 4 is overhated its a great game
Bo4 is the best black ops tho
That’s interesting. would you mind telling me why you think so?
@@zestymoon well first the map are all perfect (except tag)
Excellent design
Excellent secret (tag💀)
The weapon are great
We now have the bots in zombie
And the enjoyability is great too
Honestly in my mind bo2 is the greatest but objectively i know that its bo4
I see where you're coming from but honestly I'd play any bo4 remake map over any cold war map. Even shitty alpha omega has 10x more personality than any cold war map has. Cold war has issues in its gameplay and is still good, but damn is it soulless , has no atmosphere, and is boring asf. Alpha Omega and Botd may be terrible from a gameplay perspective, but at least they have personality and atmosphere, which all cold war maps lack.
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while I have the complete opposite opinion to this, I can understand your point of view. the reason the cold war maps feel the way they do is because they were made in a more efficient manner to preserve recourses . while you could argue that it made the maps feel like AI generated assets, you could also say that it was probably the better call to focus on the gameplay elements more. I fall into the latter of the two, which is why I like cold war more than this game. I guess you fall into the former of the two, since you prefer bo4 more.
Bruh that’s just outright wrong dude
I liked blood
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Calling BotD's quest bad is insane considering MotD has one of the worst of all time. There's only like 8 zombies maps that actually have good main quests.
Why is motd bad? Just because it’s easy?
I disagree comepletely for Blood of the Dead but to each their own
Interesting. What exactly do you disagree on though?
You whine a lot for a grown man