Khal Drogo has a *Manse* in Pentos. Khal Drogo is a Dothraki Dothraki *raids* towns and villages for slaves. Manse raids Manse raid Manse raider Seven Hells! Khal Drogo is Mance Rayder!
@Jeff Gutafson, @Alex Stewart - nah, you give GM too much credit. I'd rather applaud the creative minds who took inspiration from an unfinished series and come up with with the most amazing, funny and hair-rising ideas. I just wish there'll be a Book of Shards or Slag out there, collecting all those ideas into stories, books, series, whatever. I'd rather have that than Martin's excuses or even the last 2 books of Song. You're welcome to stone me, though, unset opals'd be my preference, ty
I've really never given Drogo much thought... always saw him as just what was necessary to transform Dany. Completely passed over his being compared to Aegon and his owning a manse. Like, I knew he owned a manse, but it never actually occurred to me just how bizarre that is for him.
Dany and her 3 Dragons, Drogo and his Khalasar, and their son Half Targaryen Dragon Lord and half Dothraki Horse lord. Who is going to stop that...? Its fun to imagine. Absolutely Loved this video.
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 It didn't happen in the books and the show for so many reasons. That's a "happy ending" tied up in a neat little package right there, and if you think this story has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention 😉 It's tricky to know whether Jon and Dany will have a "love story" in the books or not. There's this really insightful chick on Quora (I think her name is Kelsey something, but I haven't been on there for a while) who makes a really good case for Jon *not* having a love interest in Dany and vice versa, but rather having one with Val (the Wildling "princess"). She's up there with Order of the Greenhand in terms of people with incredible insights and solid knowledge on the series, in my opinion. However, she has *very* different views and takes on Dany than OOTG.
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 I just hope Dany stays miles away from Jon , the guy has a history of destroying everything around him and somehow surviving like a cockroach. It's almost like he's cursed, maybe Catelyn was right about jon all along. Dany was doing just fine without him
Something really sad about the Dany, Drogo, Rhaego trio never coming to fruition. It's wonderful that George gives us these glimpses of possible futures and it's also wonderful that you have dedicated your channel to discussing roads both taken and not taken. Goldenhand the Just and The Stallion Who Mounts the World are two very fascinating paths. Thank you for these videos, the effort is appreciated 🙂🤙🏾
Its amazing how subtle and sneaky George is. He gives us so much information that it very difficult to pick out the important pieces of it. A Game of Thrones is full of it, there is so much there in the first book, but its hard to keep all of that in mind when you make it to the next book. Like you said, how is it possible for one man to come up with all of this. The Winds of Winter is going to be fucking AMAZING.
Those books had different storylines taking place at the same time. George had to compensate with all the problems. Once the storylines are reunited, it probably will be similar to ASOS in regards to pacing, given all the cliffhangers in ADWD
Listening to this it makes it seem as if Illiero and Verys had been involved with Drogo and The Sea Lord for quite some time. By Drogo knowing the Sea Lord he would have not only made friends from around Planetos but known about Danni and the eggs that had ben sold to the Sea Lord ages ago. The plot thickens as you make connections and see that Drogo was waiting for Danni to become of age. That he got the dragon eggs from the Sea Lord who plotted with Verys and Illerio and quite possibly others to see Drogo take over all the Kahlasrs but regain control of Westeros again who the Iron Bank was probably already heavily investing in for the future. They did lend Barrathions ludicrous amounts of money after all. Then we have Aegon, who I don't think is fake, just because Varys is a mummer it doesn't make his dragon one. Vesarys was always going to be killed or tossed aside somehow because of his ignorance. Having Targaryen forces in the east and west all in league with Bravos and their ideals would definitely be something to behold. Everyone involved is connected to Bravos in one way or another. The deeper we delve into these books the harder I can see being able to keep all the storylines straight as they tangle around each other in one giant knot or even noose could be appropriate here. Then the magic in the Old Gods being reborn in Bran, Arya, and Jon and the significance of that makes me think none of this is coincidence. No,tptb don't control everyone on the board to a great extent but their hands are all over it. Even the freeing of slaves could have been something Danni learned as a child but doesn't consciously remember only reacts to it. I don't know that they knew everything that would transpire, Drogos death for instance and the loss of the child, but they had it formed good enough that without overt interference the dominoes are falling in the right order. Hell, Bravos may have already knows of the White Walkers from trading with the free folk. It's a giant gordian knot of people plotting everywhere for their own reasons or in concert with others. Littlefinger has no idea about the larger peices on the board that will eventually undo everything he has done. Cersi never stood a chance in hell of keeping her crown. No one has the patience of the right pieces to win except Bravos. They're conquering the world without anyone even noticing. Can't see the forest for the trees....
I've always thought the Dothraki prophecy is fulfilled in Drogon : "A prince is riding. I've heard the thunder of his hooves. Swift as the wind he rides. His enemies will cower before him... and their wives will weep tears of blood... the Stallion Who Mounts the World" If for the dothrakis a powerful rider is a great leader, a dragon rider is the right one to be the Khal of Khals. That's why I think Danny's encounter with the khaklasar in DoD is going to be a lot of surprises.
I have no doubt that Dany will take control of the Dothraki in the books too, I do wonder what Danys lasting legacy was when it comes to the Dothraki culture. Do they still see her as a God, "the stallion which mounts the world"? . Did Dany influence the culture in ways that stopped them from pillaging and raping??.
@Betha of House Blackwood - have your weapons ready, my Lady, but please bear with me: regarding the show, Daenerys should have burned every human in Westeros and then left, allowing the land to heal from the War of 4-5 Kings. Remember what you saw when Arya and Sandor Clegane rode towards the Riverlands after getting Needle back? Turned me into an Aerys II. fan - BURN THEM ALL! That includes fried-up crow. Daenerys is already almost in front of Khal Pono in book 5, having taken and eaten one of his horses, but, being a dragon herself, she won't be able to influence Dothraki culture and mores. Also I don't think it's feasible to bring hundred thousands of riders and their mounts across the the sea to Dorne, that'd be the shortest, safest route, but still the route taking two thirds of the Iron Fleet out! I think Dany will go for Volantis - big hint in the book - before taking on/out the Mummer's Dragon. I'm secretly hoping we'll see Valyria, there's a dragon road from Slaver's Bay to Volantis... I just don't know how Victarion will fit into this picture - other than Moquorro using him as transport, then burning the Ironmen to either work magic on Slaver's Bay or worse, get the friggin Dragon Binder (horn) for himself or R'hollor or whatever. The presence of that horn grates...
@@FirCorred Mereen is currently under siege from a Yunkai fleet, I'm pretty sure Victarion will be key in breaking the naval siege. What role he plays afterwards is a mystery though. The 2 most likely outcomes imo are, he tries to take control of the dragons and fails, or he is convinced to become Dany's vassal.
@@admontblanc Hi! If Victarion is key to breaking the siege of Meereen, we should be grateful, at least a little, and not have him fried immediately. I wonder what he - and Moqorro - will do if they arrive at the battle as it currently stands. The Yunkish and their allies throwing plague corpses into the city with catapults - an extremely low move - the 2 dragons flaming and eating those corpses, a sellsword company with Tyrion and Ser Jorah about to turn again, back to Daenerys - and into this crashes Victarion. All of this, and Daenerys isn't even in the city. What will happen if Ser Barristan Selmy and Victarion come face to face, each with their stated agenda? And that damned horn! I hate that horn, I hope it goes the way the fake horn of Joramun went at the Wall. Btw, did you catch that? Ygritte tells Jon at one point they haven't found the horn, but "let all those shades lose in the world"? I always wondered what she meant. We know from Lord Commander Mormont that the Others were present already, for many years, since Craster sacrificed to them for a generation, at least. What shades did the Free Folk let lose?
@@FirCorred about the shades, I always forget those details. I have no idea. As for Mereen idk either, but it would be kind of cool in a way if the siege was resolved without Daenerys and the dragons, but that kind of depends more on what goes on on her end.
@@admontblanc Well, she's about to meet Khal Pono and his khalasar. She has Drogon with her. A khalasar can ride in circles all it wants, if you have wings and breathe fire (: I think, in the end, we'll have to finish the story, all the stories here, ourselves. Maybe then they'll even make sense. Have you read the Malazan Book of the Fallen, by S. Erikson? If you liked Song of Ice and Fire, you'll love Book of the Fallen, there is nothing like it. And not even G. Martin can kill Daenerys, we won't let him. He can have Euron and all the new figures he wants to introduce to give him ideas, but Daenerys has already become kind of an archetype, the show couldn't destroy that, the books won't either. I think she will go to Valyria and Volantis, while Jon and Mance will safe Westeros without dragons. If there is any Westeros left once Cersei gets her hands on the reins again. Kevan is dead, don't forget...it's where we stand in King's Landing.
Khal Drogo was an awesome character I would've loved to see him and Daenerys take Westeros with 3 dragons, a khalasar, allies and their son, the Stark's wouldn't have shit on Daenerys then.
What works in favour of the theory: - it could explain why Illyrio would give the eggs to Dany instead of keeping them for Faegon; the eggs were not his; - Drogo would probably come across the eggs during his raids; Illyrio may be a rich merchant but he wouldn't give the most valuable items in his possessions away; - Word would have spread across Essos about the presence of the last Targaryens, something Drogo would have heard; - all the other points you raised in this video What works against this theory: - How would Drogo know that having a Targaryen bride would be enough to hatch the eggs? - Why would he require a trick to gift the eggs to Dany? He is the khal and as such isn't his word law? It seems very unlike Drogo to me; on the other hand this could be the action of someone who has understood the necessity of schemes and plots overall.
I literally just watched the waking dragons videos earlier (for the umpteenth time) and was like 'I really want that Drogo / Aegon video...' And, here it is like 2 hours later!!!
You guys still have the best ASOIAF videos! I can't watch anyone else's content now that the shows over. You guys are the only ones who don't just describe places or regurgitate the material that's already out there.
Bringing the Drogo character to it's successful conclusion, would be a series of books in itself. Well worth the effort for the devilishly inventive Order of the Green Hand, me thinks. Devising a sacrifice scenario to hatch the dragon eggs being the hardest part. The rest would almost write itself based on what you describe in this video. I bet you have a few ideas already.
WOAH! I've started reading the books again and analysing everything meticulously to find all the hidden links and meanings that I'd missed before and STILL I haven't even thought of the eggs being a gift from Drogo. I did notice a few things you've mentioned here but that's just brilliant!
“The nine-towered manse of Khal Drogo sat beside the waters of the bay, its high brick walls overgrown with pale ivy. It had been given to the khal by the magisters of Pentos, Illyrio told them. The Free Cities were always generous with the horselords” How did I miss this before wow you two must have read these books so many times! I was just rereading the chapters with Droggo during the summer and it kept bringing up all these questions How the f did he so cooly not participate in all the savagery was the weirdest to me. Did he sleep with other women? Why wouldn't he? Why didn't his bloodriders take Dany? How did he so easily accept Dany taking the Lazarheen women from the rape pool? Why didn't he marry earlier, he seemed much older? And most importantly why the frigging suns did Vyseris call him a dragonlord? To which my fiance at one point said "honey, you're listening to the order of the green hand too much" 🤭
Interesting! It always did seem odd or at least uncharacteristic that Drogo would have a palace. But then it's natural that a khal would had attained a certain status would get tired of nomadism and the rest of it.
I'd always considered Drogo an uncommon Dothraki, but essentially chalked it up to his being a powerful and charismatic warlord with a sharper tactical mind than most. I hadn't considered the implications of his choices and actions throughout A Game of Thrones, but it certainly paints a picture of a much deeper philosopher-king.
This wad a great video Order of The Greenhand!!! I love how you wrap up your analysis of these characters. And it adds dimension and intrigue to the story that pisses me off with how they showed him in the TV series. Great video
This is why I love your videos! You ask questions about things that I just glossed over in my reading. It never occurred to me to ask _why_ Drogo had a manse or how among the Dothraki he may have been a bit of an iconoclast because he was operating with higher ambitions for him and his people. Great work!
It’s coming. Drogo won the Patreon poll for Thursday’s livestream and we wanted to get our ideas out there so we could talk about without needing to hold back
It's the second time I hear this theory but now it's fully laid and structured in my mind. Amazing video! Another example of Martin's subverting expectations. In a traditional fantasy book we'd seen magnificent high-potential Drogo as a main character, instead he's killed and forgotten while we follow paths of characters who are not nearly as powerful and ambitious. Love Martin, and your videos are fantastic! I have recently heard a book reviewer say ASOIAF is exciting to read but doesn't have a lasting impact on the reader's personality, therefore it can't be considered Big Literature. Well, I think it should be studied at schools honestly, instead of many classics which aren't appealing for teenagers due to their young age. And, importantly, ASOIAF should be read slowly. I count myself lucky as I'm Russian and English is my second language, so reading is naturally slower, which allows my brain to picture everything in detail, savour each word and draw the connections with other chapters. I wonder how you being native speakers slow down to perceive it all better.
I love this angle and I love that you guys are looking at the landscape for your theories too. Randall Carlson has a bunch of theories to do with our world's history that stem from the landscape and doing this for ASOIAF is necessary for sure. Love the Channel
Excellent Video, There are huge paralells between Drogo and the great nomadic warlords of history. It is worth noting that even though they usually had dozens of wives, there was often one 'senior wife' who was highly respected. Daenerys seems to be filling the role of Temujin's Borte or Attila's Erekan.
I think the reason the only word of common that he knows is no, is from his life of raiding and hearing villagers screaming "No!" as he slaughtered them.
I love your theory videos, nothing against the live streams but I don't really care for hearing other people's questions. I really hope you get back to this type of video, more of what has made this channel so great and fun to watch and think on.
Thanks for this OoTGH. You never cease to amaze me how you extract so much information that’s hidden in plain sight. I also come to realise that George loves to ‘stick a spanner in the works’ when it comes to characters who take ‘prophecy’ too seriously. I’m betting The Doom’ was caused by Valarians trying to fulfil their own and dread to think what road the Azor Ahai prophecy will go down. Watch out Melisandre.....ha ha
Yep. Good stuff! My thoughts exactly. The show really streamlines your thinking away from the literature, and makes everything even more confusing. This is a HUGELY overlooked plot point.
I thought that Khal Drogo was special and unique the first time I read the book. He was a king , a visionary and leader. A romantic at heart perhaps. He married Danny so that one or more of his kids or lineage might be able to hatch the egg an bond with a dragon.
Very interesting and you make a lot of good points but the biggest question I have is where did he get all his knowledge of dragons and How to hatch them?? Keep up the great work, very entertaining ツ
I wanted to see Danny’s son grow up and become a war king dragon lord. I was really disappointed by the treachery of blood magic and Danny’s naivety to trust a strange woman who was just conquered. Of course she’s going to betray you!
It does not get said enough, but Jason Momoa was kind of perfect casting for Drogo. I have a suspicion, it was never said, but what if the sharing Khaleesi's bed with bloodriders is by custom coming only after she gives the khal a child? But Dany is just not aware?
I like to think that Drogo had a Valyrian mother who told him tales of Old Valyria at night but one day the mother died and Drogo promised he'd turn the Dothraki Sea into New Valyria for her so that no one would suffer as she did.
Was thinking things over. A good parralel to drogo as well is mance raider being able to unit people who would never be allies in any way for a great cause. Plus Ice and fire as one lives in ice and other in heat or fire
The barbarian I thought I was introduced to already impressed me. This fellow just described impresses even more, albeit differently. Most impressive are the man who created all this, and the brilliant people just who puzzled this out.
I've often wondered about Drogo...for example, who would win in a fight Drogo or (insert warrior here). But I've never fully realized how different of a Dothraki he was. Edit: I hadn't considered that Drogo owned the dragon eggs and just used our favorite Blackfyre supporter merchant as proxy
Hmmmm... I got the impression that while the Dothraki inhabitation of what used to be Sarnor is a recent thing... the civilization that WAS Sarnor was long gone... as if it had been great during the Great Empire of the Dawn but lost it's lustor during the reign of the BloodStone Emperor and the Long Night. Seems obvious to me that the ruins of those cities dotted amidst the Dothraki sea are THOUSANDS of years old. Maybe I'm wrong...?
Can I say there is a prophesy that says *Drogo will return* - the only prophesy in the whole Ice and Fire world that's *easy to fulfill* . Over the years there've been about 5 different ways to fulfill all of that prophesy, mostly by events like sandstorms, volcanoes and ashclouds, earthquakes, floods. Imagine the visuals! Anyway, why is Martin wearing Terry Pratchett's World Turtle, ever since Terry died? Far as I know, Martin never mentioned DiscWorld even once - and Terry wrote and finished his final 2 books - good-byes to ALL his characters and all his fans - even as he was dying...
Uhm, when it comes to Drogo I'll agree with you. But when Robert Baratheon comes to mind... No, not so much. Even power hungry Cersei doesn't want him. And now that I think of Joffrey... Huge no no
@Parma - hi, yes, Cersei knew about Lyanna, but she thought Robert would love her, Cersei, since she was alive and in his arms. It was after their wedding night that the royal marriage went sour. Joffrey was conceived at Darry ??, with Robert out drunk on the floor... Not sure if show ever pointed out that Cersei didn't hate Robert from the beginning, I only remembered Cersei making an efford after Stark was "unhanded", but Robert ran her over and through. That was when I started hating show_Robert properly... (putting aside Cersei and my bone to pick - killing Rhaegar)
@Parma zyxwvu - something like that, yes. I don't see Cersei as truly evil in the beginning, more like overly proud, greedy, stupid and without any loyalty to anyone, but being Robert's wife and, more importantly, queen, brought out all kinds of evil in her. And Robert was a simply a monster. As you say, he caused war and accepted slaughtered babies as tokens of fealty rather than face any truth, whether it was Lyanna and Rhaegar, or the fact that he didn't like to be king and was truly bad at it. The show presents him better, I have to admit. Imagine a king who bankrupts his realm and his people to pay for virgin prostitutes, feasts and combat drinking.. He'd make a typical party politician in our world and age...
FirCorred you do realize that Cersei murdered her friend as a child, don’t you? She is completely evil, narcissistic, and far more uncaring than you claim Robert to be.
@@axelNodvon2047 But Drogo was a battled tested conqueror who like Achilles was killed off the field bc on it he was a murder-machine. Realgar is a low-grade Hamlet poser with delusions of grandeur, and his first time fighting in a battle cost him his life.
Nice theory, but I don't recall Drogo socializing with his foreign wedding guests. Also, didn't your unlikely ally video theorize they were Illyrio's guests?
I propose Drogon is the Stallion Who Mounts The World. Not Rhaego. Let's look at the prophecy made by the old crone in Vaes Dothrak: "As swift as the wind he rides, and behind him his khalasar covers the earth, men without number, with arakhs shining in their hands like blades of razor grass. Fierce as a storm this prince will be. His enemies will tremble before him, and their wives will weep tears of blood and rend their flesh in grief. The bells in his hair will sing his coming, and the milk men in the stone tents will fear his name. The prince is riding, and he shall be the stallion who mounts the world." Remember this is a prophecy by someone who has never seen a dragon before. "As swift as the wind he rides" sounds a lot like flying to me. "fierce as a storm", more links to flying. I think a dragon will tremble "his enemies" much more than a khal riding a horse. 'Milk men in stone tents'? Remind you of Harrenhall?Remember Miri Maz Duurs words that "The stallion who mounts the world will burn no cities now." Burn cities? That also sounds a lot like a dragon. The old crone also talks about hearing the "thunder of his hooves", which reminds me a lot of this description of Drogon: "His wings stretched twenty feet from tip to tip, black as jet. He flapped them once as he swept back above the sands, and the sound was like a clap of thunder." Words are like wind, like a game of telephone the story slightly changes over time. The wings of a dragon turn into the hooves of a horse, but they both sound like thunder. The odd thing about the Stallion prophecy is that it talks about the stallion and not its rider. If the prophecy does indeed apply to Rhaego, why does it not talk about the rider? It would make much more sense for it to apply to a dragon. The Dotrahki only follow the strong. They don't bow to the rider, they bow to the stallion. For the final sentence of the prophecy, it's interesting to note that blood magic happened at the pyre to hatch the dragon eggs. Drogos life was sacrificed in that pyre and it was used to pay for the dragon's (and Danys) life. So, in a way Drogon is Drogos bloodchild. That makes him a prince. Not just a Dothraki prince, but also a Targaryen prince, as Dany considers herself to be the mother of dragons. If Drogon displays his power at the Vaes Dothrak, all Dothraki may end up following him. As soon as Dany fully controls Drogon, she is the ruler of the Dothraki. The prophecy will be true. Just not with a human baby of Drogo's. Khal Drogon is the Stallion and Dany his rider.
Khal Drogo has a *Manse* in Pentos.
Khal Drogo is a Dothraki
Dothraki *raids* towns and villages for slaves.
Manse raids
Manse raid
Manse raider
Seven Hells! Khal Drogo is Mance Rayder!
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Bro you figured it out!!! 🤣🙌
George Planned it ALL
Miguk Moonpark - Yes... I see it. The power of GRRM’s writing. He’s playing mind tricks with us. ha ha
@Jeff Gutafson, @Alex Stewart - nah, you give GM too much credit. I'd rather applaud the creative minds who took inspiration from an unfinished series and come up with with the most amazing, funny and hair-rising ideas. I just wish there'll be a Book of Shards or Slag out there, collecting all those ideas into stories, books, series, whatever. I'd rather have that than Martin's excuses or even the last 2 books of Song. You're welcome to stone me, though, unset opals'd be my preference, ty
I've really never given Drogo much thought... always saw him as just what was necessary to transform Dany. Completely passed over his being compared to Aegon and his owning a manse. Like, I knew he owned a manse, but it never actually occurred to me just how bizarre that is for him.
Dany and her 3 Dragons, Drogo and his Khalasar, and their son Half Targaryen Dragon Lord and half Dothraki Horse lord. Who is going to stop that...? Its fun to imagine. Absolutely Loved this video.
This would've been awesome to see. That way we wouldn't get her dumb love interest with Jon Snow.
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 It didn't happen in the books and the show for so many reasons. That's a "happy ending" tied up in a neat little package right there, and if you think this story has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention 😉
It's tricky to know whether Jon and Dany will have a "love story" in the books or not. There's this really insightful chick on Quora (I think her name is Kelsey something, but I haven't been on there for a while) who makes a really good case for Jon *not* having a love interest in Dany and vice versa, but rather having one with Val (the Wildling "princess"). She's up there with Order of the Greenhand in terms of people with incredible insights and solid knowledge on the series, in my opinion. However, she has *very* different views and takes on Dany than OOTG.
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 I just hope Dany stays miles away from Jon , the guy has a history of destroying everything around him and somehow surviving like a cockroach. It's almost like he's cursed, maybe Catelyn was right about jon all along. Dany was doing just fine without him
@@bethaofhouseblackwood234 that's harsh and inaccurate lol
@@fenixchief7 She's my queen , I don't want it, I'm a battle idiot snow has done enough damage.
Outstanding character analysis! Never crossed my mind that he could be the one!
Can you imagine drogo riding a dragon instead of a horse???
I’m pretty that’s a metal album right there
He went one better and rode the mother of dragons. Lucky man.
How has that no been Fan-Arted yet?!
He couldn't even stay on a mount that moves in two dimensions. A Khal who cannot ride is no Khal!
soul brother #1 or a Maserati Bora.
Something really sad about the Dany, Drogo, Rhaego trio never coming to fruition. It's wonderful that George gives us these glimpses of possible futures and it's also wonderful that you have dedicated your channel to discussing roads both taken and not taken. Goldenhand the Just and The Stallion Who Mounts the World are two very fascinating paths. Thank you for these videos, the effort is appreciated 🙂🤙🏾
Their first night together. Drogo took his time and was gentle with Dany... like the way a horse whisperer would train a horse.
Its amazing how subtle and sneaky George is. He gives us so much information that it very difficult to pick out the important pieces of it. A Game of Thrones is full of it, there is so much there in the first book, but its hard to keep all of that in mind when you make it to the next book. Like you said, how is it possible for one man to come up with all of this. The Winds of Winter is going to be fucking AMAZING.
Christopher Brewer bet it stinks. AAFC and ADwD did.
Those books had different storylines taking place at the same time. George had to compensate with all the problems. Once the storylines are reunited, it probably will be similar to ASOS in regards to pacing, given all the cliffhangers in ADWD
Sean Kumar yeah right keep telling yourself that. For another 8 years...
Listening to this it makes it seem as if Illiero and Verys had been involved with Drogo and The Sea Lord for quite some time. By Drogo knowing the Sea Lord he would have not only made friends from around Planetos but known about Danni and the eggs that had ben sold to the Sea Lord ages ago. The plot thickens as you make connections and see that Drogo was waiting for Danni to become of age. That he got the dragon eggs from the Sea Lord who plotted with Verys and Illerio and quite possibly others to see Drogo take over all the Kahlasrs but regain control of Westeros again who the Iron Bank was probably already heavily investing in for the future. They did lend Barrathions ludicrous amounts of money after all.
Then we have Aegon, who I don't think is fake, just because Varys is a mummer it doesn't make his dragon one. Vesarys was always going to be killed or tossed aside somehow because of his ignorance. Having Targaryen forces in the east and west all in league with Bravos and their ideals would definitely be something to behold. Everyone involved is connected to Bravos in one way or another.
The deeper we delve into these books the harder I can see being able to keep all the storylines straight as they tangle around each other in one giant knot or even noose could be appropriate here.
Then the magic in the Old Gods being reborn in Bran, Arya, and Jon and the significance of that makes me think none of this is coincidence. No,tptb don't control everyone on the board to a great extent but their hands are all over it. Even the freeing of slaves could have been something Danni learned as a child but doesn't consciously remember only reacts to it.
I don't know that they knew everything that would transpire, Drogos death for instance and the loss of the child, but they had it formed good enough that without overt interference the dominoes are falling in the right order.
Hell, Bravos may have already knows of the White Walkers from trading with the free folk.
It's a giant gordian knot of people plotting everywhere for their own reasons or in concert with others. Littlefinger has no idea about the larger peices on the board that will eventually undo everything he has done. Cersi never stood a chance in hell of keeping her crown. No one has the patience of the right pieces to win except Bravos. They're conquering the world without anyone even noticing.
Can't see the forest for the trees....
Drogo: the only person in asoiaf to actually ask for consent when he doesn't even speak the common tongue
thank you for realizing that !!
To a 13 year old crying girl
@@swathymani9562 yes very true. I'm just pointing out how fucking low the bar is
I've always thought the Dothraki prophecy is fulfilled in Drogon : "A prince is riding. I've heard the thunder of his hooves. Swift as the wind he rides. His enemies will cower before him... and their wives will weep tears of blood... the Stallion Who Mounts the World"
If for the dothrakis a powerful rider is a great leader, a dragon rider is the right one to be the Khal of Khals.
That's why I think Danny's encounter with the khaklasar in DoD is going to be a lot of surprises.
I have no doubt that Dany will take control of the Dothraki in the books too, I do wonder what Danys lasting legacy was when it comes to the Dothraki culture. Do they still see her as a God, "the stallion which mounts the world"? . Did Dany influence the culture in ways that stopped them from pillaging and raping??.
@Betha of House Blackwood - have your weapons ready, my Lady, but please bear with me: regarding the show, Daenerys should have burned every human in Westeros and then left, allowing the land to heal from the War of 4-5 Kings. Remember what you saw when Arya and Sandor Clegane rode towards the Riverlands after getting Needle back? Turned me into an Aerys II. fan - BURN THEM ALL! That includes fried-up crow. Daenerys is already almost in front of Khal Pono in book 5, having taken and eaten one of his horses, but, being a dragon herself, she won't be able to influence Dothraki culture and mores. Also I don't think it's feasible to bring hundred thousands of riders and their mounts across the the sea to Dorne, that'd be the shortest, safest route, but still the route taking two thirds of the Iron Fleet out! I think Dany will go for Volantis - big hint in the book - before taking on/out the Mummer's Dragon. I'm secretly hoping we'll see Valyria, there's a dragon road from Slaver's Bay to Volantis... I just don't know how Victarion will fit into this picture - other than Moquorro using him as transport, then burning the Ironmen to either work magic on Slaver's Bay or worse, get the friggin Dragon Binder (horn) for himself or R'hollor or whatever. The presence of that horn grates...
@@FirCorred Mereen is currently under siege from a Yunkai fleet, I'm pretty sure Victarion will be key in breaking the naval siege. What role he plays afterwards is a mystery though. The 2 most likely outcomes imo are, he tries to take control of the dragons and fails, or he is convinced to become Dany's vassal.
@@admontblanc Hi! If Victarion is key to breaking the siege of Meereen, we should be grateful, at least a little, and not have him fried immediately. I wonder what he - and Moqorro - will do if they arrive at the battle as it currently stands. The Yunkish and their allies throwing plague corpses into the city with catapults - an extremely low move - the 2 dragons flaming and eating those corpses, a sellsword company with Tyrion and Ser Jorah about to turn again, back to Daenerys - and into this crashes Victarion. All of this, and Daenerys isn't even in the city. What will happen if Ser Barristan Selmy and Victarion come face to face, each with their stated agenda? And that damned horn! I hate that horn, I hope it goes the way the fake horn of Joramun went at the Wall. Btw, did you catch that? Ygritte tells Jon at one point they haven't found the horn, but "let all those shades lose in the world"? I always wondered what she meant. We know from Lord Commander Mormont that the Others were present already, for many years, since Craster sacrificed to them for a generation, at least. What shades did the Free Folk let lose?
@@FirCorred about the shades, I always forget those details. I have no idea. As for Mereen idk either, but it would be kind of cool in a way if the siege was resolved without Daenerys and the dragons, but that kind of depends more on what goes on on her end.
@@admontblanc Well, she's about to meet Khal Pono and his khalasar. She has Drogon with her. A khalasar can ride in circles all it wants, if you have wings and breathe fire (: I think, in the end, we'll have to finish the story, all the stories here, ourselves. Maybe then they'll even make sense. Have you read the Malazan Book of the Fallen, by S. Erikson? If you liked Song of Ice and Fire, you'll love Book of the Fallen, there is nothing like it.
And not even G. Martin can kill Daenerys, we won't let him. He can have Euron and all the new figures he wants to introduce to give him ideas, but Daenerys has already become kind of an archetype, the show couldn't destroy that, the books won't either. I think she will go to Valyria and Volantis, while Jon and Mance will safe Westeros without dragons. If there is any Westeros left once Cersei gets her hands on the reins again. Kevan is dead, don't forget...it's where we stand in King's Landing.
Khal Drogo was an awesome character I would've loved to see him and Daenerys take Westeros with 3 dragons, a khalasar, allies and their son, the Stark's wouldn't have shit on Daenerys then.
Khal Drogo riding: Drogon
Daenerys riding: Viserion
And Rhaego riding: Rhaegal
WHAT A DREAM 🤩
A bad dream, most like.
That fanart at 0:52 is so beautiful!🥺😥😭
Green Hand summons, I respond. I was going to sleep, have morning lectures 2moro. But my sleep can wait, your video can't.
Maybe Mirri Maz Duur was specifically to kill Drogo and take the dragon eggs... To stop him from fulfilling that prophecy?
Great content as always!
Danny, Drogo and their son on the three dragons = FIRE AND BLOOD. Beautiful analysis yet again
Our Fandom is so lucky to have you both!
Great video, loved how ambiguous Drogo and his motivations were in AGOT.
What works in favour of the theory:
- it could explain why Illyrio would give the eggs to Dany instead of keeping them for Faegon; the eggs were not his;
- Drogo would probably come across the eggs during his raids; Illyrio may be a rich merchant but he wouldn't give the most valuable items in his possessions away;
- Word would have spread across Essos about the presence of the last Targaryens, something Drogo would have heard;
- all the other points you raised in this video
What works against this theory:
- How would Drogo know that having a Targaryen bride would be enough to hatch the eggs?
- Why would he require a trick to gift the eggs to Dany? He is the khal and as such isn't his word law? It seems very unlike Drogo to me; on the other hand this could be the action of someone who has understood the necessity of schemes and plots overall.
I literally just watched the waking dragons videos earlier (for the umpteenth time) and was like 'I really want that Drogo / Aegon video...' And, here it is like 2 hours later!!!
Me too haha!
You guys still have the best ASOIAF videos! I can't watch anyone else's content now that the shows over. You guys are the only ones who don't just describe places or regurgitate the material that's already out there.
The Ragnar of GoT? Just became a massive Drogo fan 😂😍
There isn't a better analogy.
Bringing the Drogo character to it's successful conclusion, would be a series of books in itself. Well worth the effort for the devilishly inventive Order of the Green Hand, me thinks. Devising a sacrifice scenario to hatch the dragon eggs being the hardest part. The rest would almost write itself based on what you describe in this video.
I bet you have a few ideas already.
WOAH! I've started reading the books again and analysing everything meticulously to find all the hidden links and meanings that I'd missed before and STILL I haven't even thought of the eggs being a gift from Drogo. I did notice a few things you've mentioned here but that's just brilliant!
thank you
“The nine-towered manse of Khal Drogo sat beside the waters of the bay, its high brick walls overgrown with pale ivy. It had been given to the khal by the magisters of Pentos, Illyrio told them. The Free Cities were always generous with the horselords” How did I miss this before wow you two must have read these books so many times!
I was just rereading the chapters with Droggo during the summer and it kept bringing up all these questions
How the f did he so cooly not participate in all the savagery was the weirdest to me. Did he sleep with other women? Why wouldn't he? Why didn't his bloodriders take Dany? How did he so easily accept Dany taking the Lazarheen women from the rape pool? Why didn't he marry earlier, he seemed much older? And most importantly why the frigging suns did Vyseris call him a dragonlord?
To which my fiance at one point said "honey, you're listening to the order of the green hand too much" 🤭
I started this video completely skeptical but by the end, your argument was so good, that now I"m open to the possibility. Great work.
Would’ve been awesome to see Khal Drogo fight against the undead during the long night. He’d be like the Night King, but of fire.
Interesting! It always did seem odd or at least uncharacteristic that Drogo would have a palace. But then it's natural that a khal would had attained a certain status would get tired of nomadism and the rest of it.
I'd always considered Drogo an uncommon Dothraki, but essentially chalked it up to his being a powerful and charismatic warlord with a sharper tactical mind than most. I hadn't considered the implications of his choices and actions throughout A Game of Thrones, but it certainly paints a picture of a much deeper philosopher-king.
this was a great episode. can't wait to see where you go with this.
This is one of your best videos yet. I have goosebumps. Never realized there was so much character development just below the surface.
You really gave Khal Drogo so much more depth!
This wad a great video Order of The Greenhand!!! I love how you wrap up your analysis of these characters. And it adds dimension and intrigue to the story that pisses me off with how they showed him in the TV series. Great video
The man with the plan who refuses to tend to his wounds and dies
Feels like Prince Rhaegar to me... About fulfilling prophecy and making substantial changes ...
This is why I love your videos! You ask questions about things that I just glossed over in my reading. It never occurred to me to ask _why_ Drogo had a manse or how among the Dothraki he may have been a bit of an iconoclast because he was operating with higher ambitions for him and his people. Great work!
I would love a Drogo POV xD like in Dothraki so we could fight about what the true translations were
Man, Martin seriously needs to write spin-off books about Drogo, Arthur Dayne, Oberyn Martell and the Tourney of Harrenhal!
Going full drogo is the song of ice and fire version of super saiyan
Eagerly waiting for the next Daenerys video!!!
It’s coming. Drogo won the Patreon poll for Thursday’s livestream and we wanted to get our ideas out there so we could talk about without needing to hold back
Really fantastic video! You're the first GOT content creators whom I have heard mention Drogo's manse, which I always thought was odd. Thanks!
Very interesting character indeed! I never stopped to think about his true motivations besides banging a hot girl. As always, excellent video guys!
Love any Viking reference you can sneak in!
After the disaster that was S8, I'm SO excited 4 TWOW. The Dragon Queen will be loved not feared. Only her enemies should be afraid and Faegon.
It's the second time I hear this theory but now it's fully laid and structured in my mind. Amazing video! Another example of Martin's subverting expectations. In a traditional fantasy book we'd seen magnificent high-potential Drogo as a main character, instead he's killed and forgotten while we follow paths of characters who are not nearly as powerful and ambitious. Love Martin, and your videos are fantastic! I have recently heard a book reviewer say ASOIAF is exciting to read but doesn't have a lasting impact on the reader's personality, therefore it can't be considered Big Literature. Well, I think it should be studied at schools honestly, instead of many classics which aren't appealing for teenagers due to their young age. And, importantly, ASOIAF should be read slowly. I count myself lucky as I'm Russian and English is my second language, so reading is naturally slower, which allows my brain to picture everything in detail, savour each word and draw the connections with other chapters. I wonder how you being native speakers slow down to perceive it all better.
I love this angle and I love that you guys are looking at the landscape for your theories too. Randall Carlson has a bunch of theories to do with our world's history that stem from the landscape and doing this for ASOIAF is necessary for sure. Love the Channel
I think the analogy with Ragnar Lothbrok is very accurate, amazing video!
Excellent Video, There are huge paralells between Drogo and the great nomadic warlords of history. It is worth noting that even though they usually had dozens of wives, there was often one 'senior wife' who was highly respected. Daenerys seems to be filling the role of Temujin's Borte or Attila's Erekan.
Drogo and aegon fit the archetype of azor ahai, dark king with sun symbolism
It's awesome how you guys dedicate an entire video to a character the fandom doesn't even care, that includes me. Go you guys 💚💚💚💚✋✋✋✋.
WE LOVE YOU KHAL DROGO!❤❤❤
thanks for that awesome content guys, always a pleasure
It's just so weird that after their loving, gentle and consensual first time, Drogo became so brutal and uncaring
I think the reason the only word of common that he knows is no, is from his life of raiding and hearing villagers screaming "No!" as he slaughtered them.
Very good points I hadn't thought of. Thanks!
Amazing as always, still waiting on that Visenya Targaryen video😍😍👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Like this interpretation of Drogo, very interesting! Thank you!
(hears the description of their first time) me internally: she's 13, she's 13, she's 13
I love your theory videos, nothing against the live streams but I don't really care for hearing other people's questions. I really hope you get back to this type of video, more of what has made this channel so great and fun to watch and think on.
Thanks for this OoTGH.
You never cease to amaze me how you extract so much information that’s hidden in plain sight.
I also come to realise that George loves to ‘stick a spanner in the works’ when it comes to characters who take ‘prophecy’ too seriously.
I’m betting The Doom’ was caused by Valarians trying to fulfil their own and dread to think what road the Azor Ahai prophecy will go down.
Watch out Melisandre.....ha ha
As usual, you two never cease to amaze.👏🏼👌🏼🤙🏼
Love you guys! Thank you for making such great content from the greatest fantasy series ever! Here’s hoping we get new materiel from George soon!
I really enjoy your shorter videos, under or right around half an hour!
Been waiting for this topic hope to get another video to flesh this out more
Yep. Good stuff! My thoughts exactly. The show really streamlines your thinking away from the literature, and makes everything even more confusing.
This is a HUGELY overlooked plot point.
I thought that Khal Drogo was special and unique the first time I read the book. He was a king , a visionary and leader. A romantic at heart perhaps. He married Danny so that one or more of his kids or lineage might be able to hatch the egg an bond with a dragon.
Very interesting and you make a lot of good points but the biggest question I have is where did he get all his knowledge of dragons and How to hatch them??
Keep up the great work, very entertaining ツ
Holy shit you just blew my mind! I never thought about that! I loved drogo and was sad when he died!!! (Tears)! I love u guys! Keep up the good work!
Will the next video explain how drogo's death affected things with not doing what the crone wanted.
I wanted to see Danny’s son grow up and become a war king dragon lord. I was really disappointed by the treachery of blood magic and Danny’s naivety to trust a strange woman who was just conquered. Of course she’s going to betray you!
Not just Aegon, but Rhaegar as well after a fashion
It does not get said enough, but Jason Momoa was kind of perfect casting for Drogo.
I have a suspicion, it was never said, but what if the sharing Khaleesi's bed with bloodriders is by custom coming only after she gives the khal a child?
But Dany is just not aware?
Well thought out. This was a good one.
Thinking of what could have been gives me goosebumps
TH-cam unsubscribed me from your channel, and I watch you guys all the time
TH-cam does that all the time unfortunately. Glad you noticed and are back
Another great vid !!! Awesome guys , thankyou for making my day !! 😃🐲🔥😃🐲🔥😊🔥🐲😃🐲🔥😊🔥🐲
You’ve done it again guys. A nice brain teaser. ❤️ it
Awesome video guys
Great stuff, very eye opening.
I like to think that Drogo had a Valyrian mother who told him tales of Old Valyria at night but one day the mother died and Drogo promised he'd turn the Dothraki Sea into New Valyria for her so that no one would suffer as she did.
I found a way to fix season 8, to have it narrated with your incredible voices guys!
Was thinking things over. A good parralel to drogo as well is mance raider being able to unit people who would never be allies in any way for a great cause.
Plus Ice and fire as one lives in ice and other in heat or fire
I was just wishing it was Thursday and here this is.
The barbarian I thought I was introduced to already impressed me. This fellow just described impresses even more, albeit differently. Most impressive are the man who created all this, and the brilliant people just who puzzled this out.
Ohhhhhh shit! Dropping a like faster than Cersi to her knees.
I've often wondered about Drogo...for example, who would win in a fight Drogo or (insert warrior here). But I've never fully realized how different of a Dothraki he was.
Edit: I hadn't considered that Drogo owned the dragon eggs and just used our favorite Blackfyre supporter merchant as proxy
Love the videos you guys are awesome. One question will you guys be doing any vids on Oberyn Martell?
Hmmmm... I got the impression that while the Dothraki inhabitation of what used to be Sarnor is a recent thing... the civilization that WAS Sarnor was long gone... as if it had been great during the Great Empire of the Dawn but lost it's lustor during the reign of the BloodStone Emperor and the Long Night. Seems obvious to me that the ruins of those cities dotted amidst the Dothraki sea are THOUSANDS of years old. Maybe I'm wrong...?
Can I say there is a prophesy that says *Drogo will return* - the only prophesy in the whole Ice and Fire world that's *easy to fulfill* . Over the years there've been about 5 different ways to fulfill all of that prophesy, mostly by events like sandstorms, volcanoes and ashclouds, earthquakes, floods. Imagine the visuals! Anyway, why is Martin wearing Terry Pratchett's World Turtle, ever since Terry died? Far as I know, Martin never mentioned DiscWorld even once - and Terry wrote and finished his final 2 books - good-byes to ALL his characters and all his fans - even as he was dying...
So on board with this theory.
Quite interesting video. Thank you
Let’s all be honest and ask, “ what girl doesn’t want to be with the most powerful man in the world”?
Uhm, when it comes to Drogo I'll agree with you. But when Robert Baratheon comes to mind... No, not so much. Even power hungry Cersei doesn't want him. And now that I think of Joffrey... Huge no no
@@Marion89gr Brilliant rebuttal.
@Parma - hi, yes, Cersei knew about Lyanna, but she thought Robert would love her, Cersei, since she was alive and in his arms. It was after their wedding night that the royal marriage went sour. Joffrey was conceived at Darry ??, with Robert out drunk on the floor... Not sure if show ever pointed out that Cersei didn't hate Robert from the beginning, I only remembered Cersei making an efford after Stark was "unhanded", but Robert ran her over and through. That was when I started hating show_Robert properly... (putting aside Cersei and my bone to pick - killing Rhaegar)
@Parma zyxwvu - something like that, yes. I don't see Cersei as truly evil in the beginning, more like overly proud, greedy, stupid and without any loyalty to anyone, but being Robert's wife and, more importantly, queen, brought out all kinds of evil in her. And Robert was a simply a monster. As you say, he caused war and accepted slaughtered babies as tokens of fealty rather than face any truth, whether it was Lyanna and Rhaegar, or the fact that he didn't like to be king and was truly bad at it. The show presents him better, I have to admit. Imagine a king who bankrupts his realm and his people to pay for virgin prostitutes, feasts and combat drinking.. He'd make a typical party politician in our world and age...
FirCorred you do realize that Cersei murdered her friend as a child, don’t you? She is completely evil, narcissistic, and far more uncaring than you claim Robert to be.
Fascinating and thought provoking. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
let's do this!
Drogo-the man Realgar wishes he was, and failed miserably.
I mean they both died tho ☠️☠️
@@axelNodvon2047 But Drogo was a battled tested conqueror who like Achilles was killed off the field bc on it he was a murder-machine. Realgar is a low-grade Hamlet poser with delusions of grandeur, and his first time fighting in a battle cost him his life.
LordofBamfs - both doomed chasing fool prophecy’s.
Khal Drogo = Genghis Khan
Drogo with a dragon.....
Nice theory, but I don't recall Drogo socializing with his foreign wedding guests.
Also, didn't your unlikely ally video theorize they were Illyrio's guests?
Falke Ts Who is more likely to summon them on time? A merchant that lives in Pentos or a nomadic khal? Wouldn't they work together on that guest list?
I propose Drogon is the Stallion Who Mounts The World. Not Rhaego. Let's look at the prophecy made by the old crone in Vaes Dothrak:
"As swift as the wind he rides, and behind him his khalasar covers the earth, men without number, with arakhs shining in their hands like blades of razor grass. Fierce as a storm this prince will be. His enemies will tremble before him, and their wives will weep tears of blood and rend their flesh in grief. The bells in his hair will sing his coming, and the milk men in the stone tents will fear his name. The prince is riding, and he shall be the stallion who mounts the world."
Remember this is a prophecy by someone who has never seen a dragon before. "As swift as the wind he rides" sounds a lot like flying to me. "fierce as a storm", more links to flying. I think a dragon will tremble "his enemies" much more than a khal riding a horse. 'Milk men in stone tents'? Remind you of Harrenhall?Remember Miri Maz Duurs words that "The stallion who mounts the world will burn no cities now." Burn cities? That also sounds a lot like a dragon.
The old crone also talks about hearing the "thunder of his hooves", which reminds me a lot of this description of Drogon: "His wings stretched twenty feet from tip to tip, black as jet. He flapped them once as he swept back above the sands, and the sound was like a clap of thunder." Words are like wind, like a game of telephone the story slightly changes over time. The wings of a dragon turn into the hooves of a horse, but they both sound like thunder.
The odd thing about the Stallion prophecy is that it talks about the stallion and not its rider. If the prophecy does indeed apply to Rhaego, why does it not talk about the rider? It would make much more sense for it to apply to a dragon. The Dotrahki only follow the strong. They don't bow to the rider, they bow to the stallion.
For the final sentence of the prophecy, it's interesting to note that blood magic happened at the pyre to hatch the dragon eggs. Drogos life was sacrificed in that pyre and it was used to pay for the dragon's (and Danys) life. So, in a way Drogon is Drogos bloodchild. That makes him a prince. Not just a Dothraki prince, but also a Targaryen prince, as Dany considers herself to be the mother of dragons.
If Drogon displays his power at the Vaes Dothrak, all Dothraki may end up following him. As soon as Dany fully controls Drogon, she is the ruler of the Dothraki. The prophecy will be true. Just not with a human baby of Drogo's. Khal Drogon is the Stallion and Dany his rider.
I agree
Where is the image at 7:22 from? It's beautiful