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LOVED THIS HEARTFELT OUTOOURING, TEDDY. You are a treasure as there ever has been, is, and/or will ever be: thank you, thank you, thank you. Great stuff, team. Tyson w/Teddy, unbeatable. Much love, team. - Dusty Cole/Purcellville, Virginia
james smith I don’t know? Mike is so open about the mistakes he made. I honestly think Tyson - as a grown man - would probably end up getting emotional and mostly agree with Teddy’s take and admit that he could have used the structure Teddy wanted to give him. In his podcast with Rogan Mike talked about how he was never prepared for the fame and money and really never worked on himself. He won’t say anything bad about Cus because Mike’s a loyal dude, but it’s clear that he’s realized as an adult that he was basically just allowed to do whatever he wanted to his own detriment at times. Teddy and Mike are cut from the same cloth at the end of the day. They are both truly loyal people. Tyson never speaks bad about Cus (in spite of how he prioritized Mike’s boxing career over his development as an adolescent into an adult) and you can see Teddy won’t throw Cus under the bus either. Like, a lot of what Teddy is saying about Mike-Are things Mike now says about himself; I think that’s what’s so frustrating. Mike now shares Teddy’s critique of who he was, and Teddy doesn’t watch podcasts or get on the internet, so he may have no idea what Mike’s like now.
@Tax-bitchass biyatch Teddy was right, maybe not with the gun thing, but he was right about Cus wanting to fast track Mike to the title before he died, and not making Mike follow the same discipline and emotional development as he stipulated for all the other kids that came under his wing.... Nobody wants to say it, but Cus fucked up!
Agreed, I also notice when Teddy tells the same stories at different times and podcasts they are always very consistent meaning you know there is no BS or fluff! This man lived these moments and he never feels the need to lie to tell a great story because these moments in his life are already a great stories as is!
Kevin Rooney is legendary, he trained, I mean REALLY trained Tyson and Vinnie Paz. He keeps silent because he HAS things to say. Teddy is , was and will be a JOKE to anyone knowledgable
Nikolay Semin No he doesn’t. Rooney has no reason to remain silent BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO SAY FOOL. TEDDY PUTS IT ALL OUT THERE HIMSELF; HE EVEN DISCLOSED THE GUN INCIDENT. DO YOU FEALLY THINK TEDDY HAS TO TIPTOE AROUND ANYTHING BECAUSE ROONEY “KNOWS SOMETHING” ABOUT TEDDY THAT TEDDY HIMSELF HASNT DISCLOSED? STUPID, IGNORANT, 100% FALSE STATEMENT IDIOT.
Part 2 and 4 is coming. Read tyson' autobiography "undisputed truth". Tyson mentions teddy atlas left because he was fired and he also wanted tyson to became a pro earlier as he needed money once he got married. And then teddy wanted tyson to travel with him to new york and leave cus d'mato but tyson said no.
I agree. I see a lot of ppl knocking Teddy but I thought he did a good job of explaining the humble beginnings. And he said he wishes him the best these days.
I agree. He's kinda like Belichick in that he doesn't want to show that side, but deep down I think had Tyson not done what he done he would verbalize Tyson in a different manner. There's no way he didn't know he was apart of something special, and he's not really remembered for it by Tyson or the public really. Cus gets the credit, when he was in the trenches. You know that bond was special but Tyson ruined it.
@@Paul.Burrell and ruined it in a way there is really no coming back from. I think Teddy is an amazing person for .the way he does talk about Mike cuz I think most people would understand if he had nothing but horrible things to say about the guy. But I think Teddy's mindset is what's done is done and you can't go back in the past and change it. So you can either remembered the good times that were had and leave it at that. They will never be best buds and they shouldn't be. But if Teddy slandered Mike every chance he got it would just make him look like he is the bitter one when he's not. Mike did something unforgivable but he was also pretty young and dumb and full of millions of dollars. Teddy knew that and i think be Teddy sees Mike is a different person now and that's awesome but it doesn't change that he did an unforgivable thing but it's not like Teddy wants his whole life to be completely ruined forever. Mike did that on his own for many years and finally grew out of it. Doesnt mean Teddy wants to be best buds but no need to continue to bring up old shit any chance he gets. Teddy is really classy if u ask me
You’re so the father I never had. Really. I could listen to you all day every day, I learn so much. Thank you Teddy, you’re very special indeed. Thank you. 😊
I Thought That in Tyson's Loss to Douglas that he showed Heart and Grit in that fight despite the Circumstances at the time and in his life dealing with his Demon's and Afflictions of the Past.
Douglas, as I recall it, hit Tyson a significantly more devastating succession of unanswered powerful punches than even the great Muhammed Ali could ever quite put together when fighting Joe Frazier over all three epic wars those two great, great fighters shocked the world with. It was when thinking of that bizarre fact over and over again, I could only pin that impossibly horrible string of terribly accurate and terribly powerful punches Buster Douglas strung together against a normally unbelievably great defensive fighter like Tyson. It SHOWED IMHO the CRUCIAL and conspicuous absence of the otherwise ubiquitous influence of Teddy Atlas and Kevin Rooney, whereas Joe Frazier ALWAYS had greatness in his corner -- Yank Durham and Eddie Futch!!!!!! (not two incompetent "friends" named Aaron Snowel and that other clueless dude with that crazy balloon of ice...) Hubris!
It sounds like both Tyson AND Teddy had fault here. Teddy (and Cus) were only concerned with making Mike a dominant force and neglected to get him the psychological help he needed (they had him at 12 years old.) Mike was wrong for making advancements at Teddy's daughter, niece or who ever she was.
no thats what teddy is saying. Cus didnt allow teddy to discipline tyson the way a young man is needed. And there is no fault here by cus or teddy, mike wasn't their child , it isnt their responsibility to bring him up.
Fascinating stuff. It appears that Teddy feels Cus didn't let Teddy properly guide Tyson to adulthood, because of Cus's "greed" (his desire to have another heavyweight champion).
Based on the tone of the last part of this podcast-damn, I really wish that Teddy and Mike would reunite for a podcast. I’ve listened to a lot of interviews where Teddy talks about Mike, and I’ve never heard anything like this. You can hear his affection for Mike and you can even hear him getting excited as he reminisces about the good times the two of them had. It would really be something to see these two reunite. Even if they don’t do a podcast; one can’t help but hope that Teddy gets to see the man Tyson is now.
My love for Teddy came from my knowledge of Mike. I feel that Teddy never gives Tyson any credit and constantly rags on him. It's like he resents the respect Mike gets as a fighter. I love Teddy, but all this Tyson bashing is unfair and excessive. End of the day youngest ever heavyweight champ etc was an awesome achievement
True. Mike had the childhood of a fucking ANINAL. It’s a MIRACLE he never killed anyone and that he DID do something with his life. Teddy seems to not give that any weight. I’m NOT excusiyanutjing mike did. Ever. But you beat a dog, a cat, a CHILD long enough, you will make it into a monster.
Bullshit. He's talking about meeting and working with Mike as a kid. Teddy didn't HAVE to take Mike on, but he did. Even Mike says a lot of what he's done, even in boxing, profited him not. The ONLY people "not letting it go" are supposed Tyson fans.
I get it. Far fetched example but I do the same with Drake. I get that he's great but when you feel he is being compared with people who have contributed and done a lot for the sport like Joe as Teddy mentions it makes you start to try to counter the praise by going the other way. That's what Teddy does with Tyson, feels like hes the only one seeing the truth
No one else is like Teddy Atlas: incredible discernment and analytical ability. Then explaining the information in the most entertaining, interesting, and colorful stories, and with a genuine warmth.
"He stayed weak because we developed him in the gym we taught him how to slip, we taught him to punch to the body around the elbow and bend and bring the upper cut right up to open up and opening in there I mean we taught him the spots to hit if you can't hit him on the chin you hit him behind the ear you hit him on top of the temple we taught him the liver with the left hook will debilitate the guy it'll take his legs away we taught him all those things but what we needed to teach him was there other strengths other talents and other responsibilities besides slipping a punch and countering it with quick double left hook. But sometimes and we laughed when you have a 190 lb nothing but muscle 12 year old who forces pro 27 year old men to open up on him just to stay in the ring with him sometimes you overlook things"
When Teddy slips up and says "Michael" referring to young Mike you can really see the feelings and emotion he has towards Mike. You only call someone by their full name if you share a certain type of relationship. In this case, a father/son or big brother/little brother type relationship. I'm sure Teddy hated the fact that he had to be hard on Mike and Cus got to be the good guy all time, but that's just the way the ball rolls sometimes. I hope Teddy and Mike can reconcile before it's too late.
NickTheKid 98 thought the same thing. But he is incredibly honest, he probably is emotionally compromised when assessing Tyson’s career but he doesn’t realise he can’t separate his professional and personal assessments. Hard as he may try
i think tyson did have heart i like teddy but i still think hes wrong about tyson. in the douglas fight he didnt give up even though he took a pounding, in both ruddock fights he took big shots and answered back when he tooked fatigued it was really post prison it looked like he lost the desire to win and even then he couldve quit vs lewis because he knew he was completely finished both in the fight and career wise but he went out on his shield instead.
He did have heart, he had trouble controlling his emotion and was a sensitive (and still is) person, and people mistaken that for not having heart. The Lewis fight was probably one of the worst beatings Ive ever saw and Tyson never quit. I agree 100% he just didnt enjoy boxing anymore and lost the passion.
agreed...showed a lot of heart in the douglas fight, he took many shots before going down+ he tried to get up and put his mouthpiece back in...i like teddy but you sense a lot of resentment towards mike....some of it i understand....standing up for his cousin while tyson was misbehaving ...and teddy was the one who had to leave, that would make most people bitter
Tyson was at his best during 81-88 when cus d mato, teddy atlas and kevin rooney trained him. Tyson declined once he fired rooney in 88. He could have been the goat but had a crazy lifestyle and wrong people exploited him.
@@alcottdevalte7440 he would never have been GOAT. A great fighter yes.. but not GOAT. He fell apart when matched up with someone who he couldn't run over like the rest.. he gave up! Nothing to do with his trainers or Cus dying. Tyson lost heart when he couldn't knock guys out. He was awesome to watch but never would he have become GOAT.
Tom cunningham; the trainers that tyson had during 89-05 didn't understand cus d'mato's peekabo style. Tyson never lost a decision as a pro and went the distance with quick tillis, tony tucker, green, pinklon thomas...during 86-88. Read his autobiography "undisputed truth". Tyson says teddy atlas left because he wanted tyson to became a pro earlier as he needed money once he got married. And then teddy wanted tyson to travel with him to new york and leave cus d'mato but tyson said no.
My whole thing mike Tyson admits his faults all the time and tells everyone how he’s continue to deal with his demons daily so why do you keep beating him Down ?its not like he is running around like he did no wrong
Did you even listen to this episode? Teddy described his time with Tyson during their early days He mentioned the good and the bad Or in other words he told the truth
Love the old Cus stories, the legendary Catskills, with young instinctual, street-wise trainer-in-the-making Teddy, a call from Bobby Stewart at the correctional facility with a 12 year old 190lb kid named Mike Tyson. In boxing lore, that’s the oracle on the Delphi, the Greek Academy with Plato (Cus) and young Socrates, and even younger Archimedes, Pythagoras, etc., lol. Yoda with Obi, Luke, in Jedi training. Teddy, do you watch/listen to Mike’s podcast/show (on TH-cam, too), called Hot Box? I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on Mike now (that may be asking too much, apologies if that’s a bit presumptuous of your personal thoughts, etc.) Tks team.
You're 100% right. I also want to know how kevin rooney is doing these days. It would have been awesome to have him on these podcasts along with bobby stewart. Tyson and atlas should visit each others podcasts some day even though it won't happen...
Tom cunningham; I heard kevin was sick a few years earlier but I hope he is doing good now. Tyson never mentions his name and must have regretted getting rid off kevin and steve lott after the spinks fight. It all went down from there in regards to his boxing carrer.
Fantastic interview and outstanding level of depth and insight coming from teddy!.. I dont see how anyone could think teddy was ranting on mike....He was trying to be as honest and open to give us a view into mikes life that few others could ever offer..
I like boxing but I'm not a huge boxing fan, a casual ,watch the occasional big bout, however I love listening to teddy. In depth knowledge,history & the phycology of fighters & fighting.
The more Teddy talks about his memories in raising/training the young Mike Tyson the more you can see the realization in Teddy's eyes that he could of dealt with it differently and in a much better manner. it's as if you can see Teddy's heart for Mike the more he talks about it. Communication is the best way to deal with anything. The more Teddy talks about it the more he looks at it without any hatred in his eyes.
Mike captured the imagination of everyone during that amazing early period of his career. No small feat and no accident. He is better regarded and more recognized than any of his peers and I dare to say also the largest figure in boxing to emerge since Muhammad Ali. This is just honest fact. Watch the fights...all of them. Watch from his first pro fight through his later decline and accept him as a true legend, flaws and all. Teddy... maybe unconsciously is invoking the yardstick of past greats like Joe Louis whom can never be duplicated. Great historical passages borne of a period which cannot be repeated. Its a story of adversity overcome against all odds by a cultural underdog of the times they were in. Both Louis and Ali (and others) helped define the archetype but under different circumstances. My point is this... Even though Tyson's career did not exhibit the same arc and trajectory as other great champions, didn't he also overcome adversity against all odds? Unless someone feels unfairly compelled to compare notes line for line, I think Tyson's story qualifies. He came from a place where a guy like him had little to no hope of being anywhere but dead or in prison and made a decision to pursue an opportunity to place his focus and concentration on achieving something where the odds could be measured in the millions for the rest of us (not hundreds or thousands). I see it as special either way. Cus had the vision and fortitude to recognize it and harness it and for better or worse (a matter of option) Mike inevitably walked his own road. I believe more than a few people may need to recalibrate their instruments when trying to measure his contribution to the sport in order to give fair analysis.
Post script to my comment: This isn't a blatant critique of Teddy's point of view and analysis. I enjoy Teddy's great storytelling and commentary very much as he is an established authority with a lifetime of knowledge on the subject. I'm only trying (respectfully) to reflect a different point of view as an outsider looking in.
@@connshawnery6489 Excellent analysis, spot on, and very eloquently outlined as well. I’ll take it one step further - Teddy never got over losing Mike. Grabbing a girl’s ass or whatever other shenanigans Tyson was engaged in didn’t warrant a gun being pulled on a teenager. Ultimately, the story Teddy is trying to tell is his own. He never fully formed back then. He never matured. He had a ridiculous temper and it got the better of him right before one of the two or three biggest explosions in boxing history. Teddy had to watch Mike dominate the heavyweight division for all those years from his couch, never receiving any real credit (aside from boxing insiders). Sadly, he created this narrative about Mike never rising to the challenge to compensate for his own pain. Not to say he’s not right a little bit about Mike, obviously he is, but the Tyson story is a grand epic tale of almost unparalleled success when looked at as a whole. Teddy’s story is a solid success as well and he should proud but it’s a kind of a story if what could have been. That fact haunts Teddy and colors his take on Tyson the fighter.
I’ve heard Teddy talk about his past relationship with Tyson but every time he is able to talk about it I get a clearer picture about who Tyson actually was and why he became one of boxing’s greatest icons. Thank you for your podcast and please continue to make more!
Can we get Teddy talking about Kevin Rooney as well? Just their friendship and his estimation as a trainer? Cause so much talk of Tyson, Cus-but Rooney is right there in that circle
Infinite0396 He wouldn’t have much to talk about; other than the fact that the formative skills, the foundation, had already been laid. TA was the one developing Tyson. In the gym every night, taking him and the rest of us to bootleg shows, driving back and forth between Catskill to The So. Bronx, Catskill to Red Hook Brooklyn, Catskill to Scranton, Pa., Catskill to Brownsville. On top of that, TA was not only there for Tyson, and to say he was instrumental is an understatement, but he was there for everybody in that gym. He was more than a trainer, he was a mentor, a father figure, a psychologist, a counselor. And you had scumb@#s like Joe Colangelo who would many times call for Teddy’s help because scumb@g Colangelo’s kid was struggling because his parents were going through a divorce and the kid needed help. That scumb@g Colangelo didn’t hesitate to call Teddy for help. But the first opportunity he had, he stuck a knife in Teddy’s back. He saw an opportunity, he saw a chance to suck on the t%t of the Tyson gravy train. Scumb@g Colangelo was so far up Cus and Mikes arse, that if you needed to find him, all u had to do was look for Cus or Mike and you’d see the scumb@#s feet hangin out of their arse. So why does this matter; Teddy Atlas was the one who put all the hours of sweat and blood into the most crucial developmental years of the making of Tyson. And he did it along with all the other stuff mentioned AND while training Rooney. Tyson was turnkey ready by the time Rooney stepped in. And Rooney only had one person to worry about, but the hard work was already done. Not saying Rooney had an easy job, but Atlas took an undeveloped, raw, self-doubting, immature kid and was not only developing him into a fighter, but teaching him how to be a man---until Cus stepped in and undermined him. Atlas developed Tyson from scratch. Rooney wasn’t there every day. It was Atlas. Rooney had his own career, and frankly, he didn’t give a schitt about anything but himself. The sad thing though, he and Atlas WERE friends. Teddy’s father was a doctor and WAS close to Rooney. Rooney was probably closer to Dr. Atlas than he was to his own father. Dr. Atlas took care of Rooney, more than just as a doctor, but in other ways to. But that was Dr. Atlas, always, always giving and helping out people who needed help. Rooney was one of those people, and like the scumb@g Colangelo and all the other phoneys who turned their backs on Teddy, he stuck a knife in Teddy’s back. In the end, these people showed they have no character and no integrity. They showed that loyalty is not in there DNA. Well guess what--in the end, it all blew up in their faces, and they had already sold their souls. They didn’t have enough respect for themselves, so it’s easier to understand why they did what they did. Cus use to say “there’s nothing more tragic than seeing a man defeated by himself.” They sold out their pathetic selves. I don’t know if that’s tragic, but maybe more like poetic justice.
ny2cali827 great reply and thanks for keepin it thorough...but being an outsider lookin in I Iove all those guys; Cus, Tyson, Atlas, Rooney, even Jim Jacobs seems like a fascinating guy. But good or bad I just was interested in hearing more about Rooney and your reply was informative
@@Infinite0396 Thank you. I appreciate that. It was a fascinating time in my life. That gym was a huge part of my upbringing and I’m blessed to have experienced it. At the same time, it sucked when it just blew up. Especially when people showed an allegiance to Cus because they thought they would get on the Tyson Gravy Train. But the most hurtful thing was to see how these same people relied on Teddy for so much help and when the time came, they turned their backs on him; and Teddy struggled for a long time because Cus blackballed him. In the end, Team Tyson fell apart. I wouldn’t wish what Mike went through, his personal struggles, family struggles, struggles with addiction, on anyone. It was a bitter pill for me to swallow, because I blamed Tyson for the implosion of that gym. I was angry at him for a long time, but he has been humbled and appears honest when he speaks of who he was then and who he is now. More importantly, we are all called to give grace, for the grace we give others is the same grace we shall receive. Another sad part was to see Cus throw all his principles out the window to get his last hurrah from Tyson. And money meant nothing to Cus so it wasn’t about the money. But to see this man compromise his principles because he was desperate for time was sad. The irony is Cus said there’s nothing more tragic than seeing a man get defeated by himself. His hubris, his pride, his lust for attention was Cus’ downfall. He became a victim of his own self.
I am a retired professor who taught and has written books on political philosophy - and in all my time at the university I never met anyone with so much philosophical wisdom as Ted. I love this guy. If our teachers had a tenth of the qualities and wisdom of Ted we would be living in a much much better world.
Mike an Teddy need to sit down together. That’s my wish. An just talk. Be emotional. Be angry. But love each other an respect each other an be what they were. . A great team in life.
I’ve always felt an odd tie to Mike. I grew up in the 80s near Tryon School for Boys (it’s in Johnstown NY not Amsterdam where Teddy stated but close enough), when Mike was going there, and my best friends father was the cook there. So, when Mike was this young phenom he felt like this hometown hero to all of us. Growing up later my family used to ride snowmobiles with another group of families and the son of one of them was a 10yo boy with terminal cancer. He was exactly like what you see in the St. Jude’s children’s hospital ads, no hair, no eyebrows and had one of his legs amputated in an attempt to stop the cancer but it was of no use. Regardless this kid was a badass, and truly lived like he knew his time on earth was limited, he rode his snowmobile like a daredevil, doing things adults wouldn’t even try. For an example of his mindset he used his Make A Wish not to go to Disney World or meet Michael Jordan, but to ride on the first leg of the Idadarod, which to those of you not in the know is a grueling 1,100 mile dog sled race in Alaska (the musher he rode with went on to win that year). The reason I tell you that is because when returning home from the trip, his family came home to find a brand new jet ski and trailer waiting in their driveway, courtesy of Mike Tyson. I guess he heard there was a kid who grew up where he did struggling to pack as much living in the time he had left and wanted to help. I’ll never forget that gesture, and it was around the time the world was trying to pull Mike down in the 90s. He didn’t do it for any press, he just did it to help. And finally I came to find out that Bobby Stewart (the guy who “discovered” Mike in Tryon) is my mother in laws cousin. So, I have these weird little connections to Mike from growing up near where he got his start. Never got to meet him, but if I ever do I’d like to tell him about it, and I’m so happy that he seems to finally have found peace in his life. Helping bring a little bit of joy to a dying kid’s life always showed me there was a genuinely good soul in there trying to make itself known. No matter what the world says about him he’ll always be a hometown hero to me.
Teddy is so bitter from the past never gives tyson no credit never ever will he put tyson down as one of the greats even tho Tyson was youngest champion. Teddy gets a sour taste In his mouth when talking about tyson
@@onthewall8198 Well, that's one way to look at it and I'm sure Teddy felt Cus was not helping build Mike's character and develop his maturity. And it sounds like Teddy is still bitter about having to leave Cus and his home because of Mike even though Teddy had been there 4 years before Mike arrived and it was Teddy who arranged to have Mike come to the gym in the first place... But also, Teddy knew that Mike was mentally vulnerable, he knew that if someone stood up to him he might mentally break.... And that is exactly what happened against Douglas and later against Holyfield... Yes he was probably not training properly, he was getting into trouble outside the ring etc... etc... but that is all part of his weakness in his character/mentality... Pride comes before a fall, and Mike never learned that until it was too late because he was never raised to be a man, he was being raised as a spoiled kid who didn't have to show any responsibility or respect. Courage is very closely related to self respect, and self respect is very closely related to having respect of others, so I would say Teddy experienced enough to feel like Mike didn't have the required self respect and courage to win when the going got tough in a fight. Mike was clearly physically gifted, but he was mentally quite vulnerable.
Average Joe Mike’s so humble now. He’d for sure beat himself up and agree that “X” other great beats him. It would be a good listen. It would maybe show Teddy how different Tyson is.
Average Joe You know, that’s how I’ve always felt, too. But I have to say, listening to Teddy talk about the early days when he was living with/training/raising Mike, like hearing him call Mike “Michael” and get offended at the idea that Mike wasn’t his guy back then, and hearing him get so hype about the combos Mike would throw-is probably the most positive I’ve ever heard Teddy speak about Mike, and I’ve probably listened to most of the interviews he’s done that are on TH-cam, so here’s to hoping the two - actually - bury the hatchet someday.
You and Mike need to do a podcast. I know you've made peace with each other. but it would be amazing to hear both of you tell these stories. love you Teddy
Teddy lets get mike on the show ! I know a couple years ago u guys sort of made up wen mike went up to u at a boxing event and u guys shook hands and hugged . And u could see Mike really meant it ... I know there’s history but let’s do it !
Wow....that would be probably be THE GREATEST SPORTS INTERVIEW ever..because of their past....it would probably bring tears to my eyes...and probably tears and emotions to KEN and MIKE during the interview...it would be something to see....
Shane Jordan never say never! Lol I know mike apologized to teddy few years back for everything (I think mike said himself!) there will be laughter and tears if it happened!
What makes Coach Teddy Atlas such a great coach is that he tells it like he sees it: straight honest truth. He is like "Mikey," (from the "Rocky" series,) in real life; and the late Cus D'Amato could see that. Respect!
It kills me that they fell out I honestly think if tyson never went to prison and still had teddy behind him he would of retired undefeated in another dimension it happened just wish I could see it
Bring Mike on your show Teddy! That would be an amazing conversation! Just listening to you two talk about the old days with Cus... oh man... I could listen to that all day! Would be legendary.
Very interesting, Just an opinion, it would be much better if you lowered your mic volume and let Teddy Talk a little more without interrupting him with comments and questions. Thanks, just some input.
@@1hundread948 i wasn't just speaking about this particular show but every show. I really like Ken but Teddy always cuts him off and takes forever to make a single point. I like Teddy but sometimes its hard to listen to him rant on & on
Can you ask Teddy this question though. He says he wasn't strong mentally when faced with a tough challenge but he put in one of the gamest HW performances of all time when he lost to Douglas. Not once did he crumble in this fight after getting the beating of a lifetime, he tried his heart out the very end.
Teddy Atlas is telling the story, from his perspective, and being as objective as he can. It doesn't sound like sour grapes at all; I think it is very clear that he respected the talent that Tyson brought to the table. Let's be honest...what he says about Tyson's character, at the time....well, it has been proven true by Tyson's actions in and out of the ring. Now, of course people can become better people, and grow, over time. But we're not talking about the Tyson of today, here.
just for comparison - Muhammad Ali made an amateur debut as well when he was 12. Against a kid named Ronnie O'Keefe in 1954. Young Clay's weight at a time - 100 pounds. the Brown Bomber was 17 as light heavy (175) on his first amateur bout.
Just watched a documentary that had Cus, his wife, Teddy Atlas, Mike Tyson, Kevin, other fighters and kids. It was amazing. And , Teddy Atlas is top shelf. He is a great human being. Knowing there are people like him still out there, is food for the soul.
Gotdamn this episode. Boxers, casuals, enthusiast, purist, trainers give a listen this is historic gold. Ken was so intrigued. So was I. Kudos guys. Kudos.
Awesome stories. Ken, could you and teddy discuss how firing trainer kevin rooney after the spinks fight in 88 effected tyson' skills along with time in prison? And how friendship with don king and his crazy lifestyle ruined his boxing carrer. A dream matchup would have been a 64-67 ali vs a 85-88 tyson.
I believe Tyson was better after prison. Stronger, equally as fast, more experienced. he fought frank bruno before and after prison and did a MUCH better job AFTER prison koing bruno two rounds earlier and taking far less punishment then he did in the original fight in the 80s.
@@devonalexandra9963 You're so wrong. Tyson post-prison 95 was a declined version of himself. He beat bruno because of his offence, fear factor and power both times. Tyson basically trained himself during 89-05 because cus d`mato had only taught kevin rooney and teddy atlas the peekaboo style. He knew more than the other trainers. Tyson during 81-88 was at his best. His defence was tight, he threw the combination punches while moving the head, his pace was higher and cardio at the top, he used angles and fought to win with skills... He trained much more with kevin rooney, and sparred from 8-20 rounds each day once training camp started. Tyson post-prison never went the distance. His confidence was lower and his skills were not close to what they were in the 80s. He didn`t move his head before and after a punch. There was no jab to set up the combination punches, no body punches, no working the clinches, his cardio got worse as the years passed due to lesser training. He lost discipline and had a more crazy lifestyle. His corner in the douglas fight was a joke. And his new trainers had no business training a world champion, tyson should at least have hired eddie futch, emanuel steward, angelo dundee... This is what he says about the bruno fight in 89 from his book "undisputed truth". "I hired my Catskill roommate Jay Bright to be my new trainer(1989). I wanted Jay to get some money because he was part of Cus’s family upstate. We also hired Aaron Snowell, who claimed he had trained Tim Witherspoon. Tim later told me that Snowell was just his running partner who had carried the bucket into the ring, but I didn’t care. I didn’t train particularly hard for the fight. I had sparred with Bruno when I was sixteen at Cus’s and had gotten the best of him then. I had no strategy to fight him. I knew I could pick off his jab and he couldn’t hurt me with his power punches. At the weigh-in, Bruno attempted to stare me down, so I pulled my shorts down and showed him my pubic hair. When the fight began, I felt a little rusty but I was punching pretty hard. I dropped him with the first punch. Then I got a little reckless trying to finish him off and I misanticipated his speed and he hit me with a left hook and a short right. People made a big deal that I was wobbled with the punches, but that wasn’t so. It was just za-bang and then I was back in charge. I almost finished him off at the very end of the second round. After that, he held me after every punishing blow I got off. With a minute to go in the fifth, I wobbled him and then spent the next forty seconds stalking him. He was ready to go and I got him against the ropes and landed a devastating right uppercut, and Richard Steele stopped the fight. He was out on his feet."
@@devonalexandra9963 He was ripped after prison and he looked fairly impressive against Seldon and Bruno, but he definitely didn't have the same level of technique. He was much wilder, he didn't have the brilliant bob and weave of the earlier part of his career.
Always hating on Tyson, one of the greatest. I would love to have seen how teddy turned out if he had the young life Tyson was exposed to. Teddy is a very knowledgeable boxing analyst but he finds it impossible to get by his obvious distaste for Tyson. The way Tyson has faced hid demons, learned to self reflect and deal with many issues and still be alive to tell the tale is nothing short of Miraculous. Teddy could do well to learn from how Tyson owned and corrected his flaws.
There are no demons. There is a theory that poverty is something of a genetic nature. You may become a super successful athlete, earn tons of money, but since it's inside of you.... 99.99% you will end up to be completely broke. There are a lot of examples of this theory, Mike himself too!
Teddy should show more reverence for Mike and the time they spent together. If it weren't for his mentorship of Mike, most people wouldn't be watching this podcast.
This is the most interesting thing I've heard in awhile. I didn't know how insightful Teddy is about people's judging peoples' characters, such as Mike Tyson
*Mr. Atlas there is something i can't understand, why the fight Tyson vs Tua has never happened?? I bet it could be one hell of a fight! Was this fight on a radar or discussed at all?*
@@SelimxBradley True! TuaMan is the Man, he's way smarter and more focused then Tyson! He would never ever fu*king and partying the night before the fight with Buster Douglas! Tyson HAS and got *smashed!*
It is just so interesting because Teddy knows exactly who Mike truly is and that's probably why Mike ended up hating Teddy because he knew everything was always a front. We need more episodes on the early days of Mike - there has to be so much more from ages 12-16 that isn't out there.
What an amazing story to hear. Wow. You had a Bear on a leash. How about Marciano fighting Holyfield. 2 great chins. Light Heavyweight fight Or Roy Jones Vs Roberto Duran at welter weight.
Thank you Teddy "A". I've always admired your philosophy and analogy regarding the sport. Appreciate it.. Thanks for doing what the media couldn't. Telling your truth.
Although we didn't get to hear the end of any analysis of Tyson against former champs, I think we all know where it's going. I agree with Teddy about Tyson's achievements and reputation, but as others have said I'm certain that Teddy is still very bitter about Tyson. But my criticism is not really about the bitterness (after all, if the story is true about Tyson and Atlas's niece then Teddy has every right to hold what he feels) but the analysis. It wasn't so long ago that Teddy said that Tyson's fight record should read 0-5. He meant that his five defeats were the only 'real fights' he had - I know it was 6. When someone believes that then it's hard to take the rest of their comments seriously - Teddy is completely wrong. I'm no cheerleader for Tyson. I'd happily place Louis, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman and maybe Holmes ahead of him, and that's based on the following belief: Which fighters did Tyson beat who were at the top of their game? It's hard to think of any. But that aside, I think Teddy has a blindspot on Tyson. One final thing, Teddy really really really needs to let Ken speak. He constantly talks over him and repeatedly doesn't listen to some of the points Ken makes. Some of Ken's questions were not heard or ignored, and that's disappointing.
'Which fighters did Tyson beat who were at the top of their game? It's hard to think of any. ' Spinks, current champion at the time, early 30's, smack bang in his prime, undefeated. Tucker, current champion at the time, early 30's smack bang in his prime, undefeated. Bone Crusher Smith, current Champion at the time, early 30's, smack bang in his prime. Razor Ruddock, late 20's, smack bang in his prime, no.1 contender. Tyrell Biggs, former Olympian, mid 20's, as close to his prime as he got, undefeated, top 5 contender. Mitch Green, top 10 contender, late 20's, undefeated, as close to his prime as he got, top 10 contender. Actually, it could be said the vast majority of fighters that Tyson fought were closer to their prime than what Tyson was and much more experienced. A heavyweight usually hits their prime around 30. Obviously not in Tyson's case but that was more because of lifestyle issues. But generally, it's around 30 for a heavyweight fighter, so Tyson actually fought quite a lot of fighters who were closer to that age than Tyson was.
Bobby bigbollocks Facts. People forget what Spinks did to Holmes-whose an all time great. They also forget what Tyson did to Holmes. Holmes was past his prime, but he wasn’t washed up.
@@eduardom.8766 I always say if Holmes was so far past his prime, he sure as fook wouldn't be beating the Ray Mercer's of this world, who was also undefeated, former Olympian, and smack bang in his prime. No other fighter dealt with Holmes the way Tyson did.
Tyson could have been one of the greatest heavyweights in history. He had the speed,power and skills, but just as Teddy says he didn't have the heart. All of the greatest had to overcome in the ring. Tyson couldn't.
Teddy you are a boxing trainer, your role is to build people up. You've been bashing this man for many many years. When it comes down to it, Mike was a kid when all these happened. YOU PULLED A GUN ON A KID. That's unacceptable in my book. How do you get to be the moral judge? Let the man live. He has moved on, its time for you to move on. Teddy am your biggest fan but you are letting me down with this.
He pulled a gun on a "kid" who was beating the crap out of adults....and who had anger issues.....after Tyson had inappropriately touched an 11yr old female member of his family.
I like Teddy, but Teddy has to learn that shooting against Mike Tyson is like shooting at himself.. You re destructive to the Cuz Dmato legacy which both of you represent..
Ahhh man I just saw the tittle of this and thought. its gonna be the same old storys of teddy saying how tons had no heart and was this and that.. Zzzzzzzz... whats the sense of a podcast to talk about someones weakness when they aren't there to defend themselves.. ?
Im so gald you guys are doing this podcast i could listen to teddy atlas all day. I have so much respect for this guy and his knowlage is second to none liked and suscribed.
Lmao really Teddy only worked with in his early years he never trained Tyson for a professional fight that would be Kevin Tooney. Teddy Atlas been living off his short time with Tyson his entire career. Tyson has his faults but anyone who grew up like he did and reach the heights he did at his age would make the mistakes and more.
Let it go teddy , let it go..... Your a top notch trainer , and u have the gift of the mental aspect of the fight game the same as cus . im happy to c u and tyson when he apologized to u , that took alot for mike and u i believe .....
He just said Tyson wasn’t a natural? When he’s getting the best of a former pro as a 12 year old kid whose never put on a pair of gloves before? Come on man.
how many of your 14-olds made 400-million, teddy?; by the age of 25? this country will frown upon you if you don't take the money, no matter how it plays out; and that's a fact. save that pious BS for the next man; 400 million is 400 million!
Teddy and Mike both loom large in each others legends, Im sure Mike is way past any negativity towards Teddy and they should both be on a show like this together. That would really depend on Teddy though because Mike is an advanced soul-he holds no grudges. Having said that, man, Teddy is fascinating to listen to. If Hollywood really is making a movie of Mikes' life it better be one of the best movies Hollywood has ever made!! Kudos to the interviewer here, he puts his ego on the back seat and lets Teddy rant on while showing incredible patience and offering up just the right amount of input which Teddy seems to sometimes ignore- but thus we get....well, we get something fascinating and if you'll excuse the pun, we get Teddy, bare. Amazing stuff.
How come Teddy always talks about how bad Tyson was as a kid, but never tells the truth behind his story and how screwed up he was as a kid and all the mistakes he made?
BECAUSE TEDDY WAS DUMPED OUT CUS KNEW TYSON EVEN AT THE AGE OF 12 HE WOULD BE A WORLD CHAMPION AND BOY WAS HE RIGHT TEDDY JUST WANTED TO CONTROL EVERYTHING BUT CUS KNEW BETTER
wallball45 Wrong. If Cus knew better, he wouldn’t have undermined Teddy, Teddy would’ve stuck around, and Tyson May have been the youngest AND longest reigning heavyweight champion. But Cus didn’t know better. In fact, in the end, Cus was doomed by his own hubris pride. He couldn’t get out of his own way; he threw all his principles and everything he stood for out the window to manufacture his last swan song---the youngest heavyweight champ of all time. But he didn’t do much to prepare Tyson for life. If CUS REALLY KNEW BETTER, HE WOULDVE LISTENED TO ATLAS AND DISCIPLINED TYSON WHEN HE NEEDED TO BE DISCIPLINED, NOT LET HIM GET AWAY WITH AND DO ANYTHING HE WANTED, CAUSE IN THE END, TYSON WAS THE ONE WHO SUFFERED. BUT THE SAD THING IS, CUS KNEW HE WAS WRONG AND ATLAS WAS RIGHT. CUS JUST SOLD HIMSELF OUT BECAUSE IT SERVED HIS PURPOSE; and money had nothing to do with it. It was just the thought of having the new youngest heavyweight champion ever. It was actually sad.
For goodness sake, I'm 20 minutes in and you're still giving a quick 3 minute background check with all these jabs at Mike. I love Teddy but get on with it. He still definitely let's his past with Tyson influence his thoughts and stories.
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Thank a million for this gold teddy my son and I are going down the journey together and this is very awesome guidance you are a true mentor sir.
LOVED THIS HEARTFELT OUTOOURING, TEDDY. You are a treasure as there ever has been, is, and/or will ever be: thank you, thank you, thank you. Great stuff, team. Tyson w/Teddy, unbeatable. Much love, team. - Dusty Cole/Purcellville, Virginia
Since we are on the subject of the past why didnt him and ronney stay cool and does he ever go see him?
If Teddy and Mike finally sat down and had a conversation, it would break the internet.
Unfortunately yould never happen
It would but they will never be on good tearms even though they briefly made up
d rave Mike may assail Teddy if he detected BS. 😂
james smith I don’t know? Mike is so open about the mistakes he made. I honestly think Tyson - as a grown man - would probably end up getting emotional and mostly agree with Teddy’s take and admit that he could have used the structure Teddy wanted to give him.
In his podcast with Rogan Mike talked about how he was never prepared for the fame and money and really never worked on himself. He won’t say anything bad about Cus because Mike’s a loyal dude, but it’s clear that he’s realized as an adult that he was basically just allowed to do whatever he wanted to his own detriment at times.
Teddy and Mike are cut from the same cloth at the end of the day. They are both truly loyal people. Tyson never speaks bad about Cus (in spite of how he prioritized Mike’s boxing career over his development as an adolescent into an adult) and you can see Teddy won’t throw Cus under the bus either.
Like, a lot of what Teddy is saying about Mike-Are things Mike now says about himself; I think that’s what’s so frustrating. Mike now shares Teddy’s critique of who he was, and Teddy doesn’t watch podcasts or get on the internet, so he may have no idea what Mike’s like now.
@Tax-bitchass biyatch Teddy was right, maybe not with the gun thing, but he was right about Cus wanting to fast track Mike to the title before he died, and not making Mike follow the same discipline and emotional development as he stipulated for all the other kids that came under his wing.... Nobody wants to say it, but Cus fucked up!
Imagine Teddy being a guest on Tyson's podcast "Hotboxin' with Mike Tyson".
Kevin rooney
Teddy get knocked out there
They both might have to take mushrooms beforehand
Darrell AWW MAN!!! 1 GREAT SHOW
i want to see teddy coughin n chokin while eating space cookies
What an absolute honor to be able to take in some legendary Teddy Atlas knowledge through a podcast. New favorite daily, love the show!!!
Agreed, I also notice when Teddy tells the same stories at different times and podcasts they are always very consistent meaning you know there is no BS or fluff! This man lived these moments and he never feels the need to lie to tell a great story because these moments in his life are already a great stories as is!
Kevin Rooney is legendary, he trained, I mean REALLY trained Tyson and Vinnie Paz. He keeps silent because he HAS things to say. Teddy is , was and will be a JOKE to anyone knowledgable
Have a word with yourself...teddy has been bitter for years over Tyson
Nikolay Semin lol show me one credible guy that calls Teddy a joke
Nikolay Semin No he doesn’t. Rooney has no reason to remain silent BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO SAY FOOL. TEDDY PUTS IT ALL OUT THERE HIMSELF; HE EVEN DISCLOSED THE GUN INCIDENT. DO YOU FEALLY THINK TEDDY HAS TO TIPTOE AROUND ANYTHING BECAUSE ROONEY “KNOWS SOMETHING” ABOUT TEDDY THAT TEDDY HIMSELF HASNT DISCLOSED? STUPID, IGNORANT, 100% FALSE STATEMENT IDIOT.
They need to have *Teddy and Tyson* do this episode for both sides of the story.
That needs to be part 2 of this episode
Part 2 and 4 is coming. Read tyson' autobiography "undisputed truth". Tyson mentions teddy atlas left because he was fired and he also wanted tyson to became a pro earlier as he needed money once he got married. And then teddy wanted tyson to travel with him to new york and leave cus d'mato but tyson said no.
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No chance of that ever happening at all. That would be an uncomfortable watch.
@ Yes, Tyson would do it, he ending that beef with Atlas a couple years ago at an recorded event. here ➡ th-cam.com/video/jB_fZ3FoNww/w-d-xo.html
No matter what happened to teddy and Mike's relationship,I can tell through this interview, teddy loved him
I agree. I see a lot of ppl knocking Teddy but I thought he did a good job of explaining the humble beginnings. And he said he wishes him the best these days.
I agree. He's kinda like Belichick in that he doesn't want to show that side, but deep down I think had Tyson not done what he done he would verbalize Tyson in a different manner. There's no way he didn't know he was apart of something special, and he's not really remembered for it by Tyson or the public really. Cus gets the credit, when he was in the trenches. You know that bond was special but Tyson ruined it.
@@Paul.Burrell and ruined it in a way there is really no coming back from. I think Teddy is an amazing person for .the way he does talk about Mike cuz I think most people would understand if he had nothing but horrible things to say about the guy. But I think Teddy's mindset is what's done is done and you can't go back in the past and change it. So you can either remembered the good times that were had and leave it at that. They will never be best buds and they shouldn't be. But if Teddy slandered Mike every chance he got it would just make him look like he is the bitter one when he's not. Mike did something unforgivable but he was also pretty young and dumb and full of millions of dollars. Teddy knew that and i think be Teddy sees Mike is a different person now and that's awesome but it doesn't change that he did an unforgivable thing but it's not like Teddy wants his whole life to be completely ruined forever. Mike did that on his own for many years and finally grew out of it. Doesnt mean Teddy wants to be best buds but no need to continue to bring up old shit any chance he gets. Teddy is really classy if u ask me
@@power2theppl896 when is the second chapter coming out?
@@BesimtariBerat what do you mean by the second chapter?
You’re so the father I never had. Really. I could listen to you all day every day, I learn so much. Thank you Teddy, you’re very special indeed. Thank you. 😊
The story about how he kept his kids safe and what consequences would be for the opposing trainer who lied was really great. Alot of respect for Teddy
I Thought That in Tyson's Loss to Douglas that he showed Heart and Grit in that fight despite the Circumstances at the time and in his life dealing with his Demon's and Afflictions of the Past.
Buster really had a long ass count when he got put down.
Douglas, as I recall it, hit Tyson a significantly more devastating succession of unanswered powerful punches than even the great Muhammed Ali could ever quite put together when fighting Joe Frazier over all three epic wars those two great, great fighters shocked the world with. It was when thinking of that bizarre fact over and over again, I could only pin that impossibly horrible string of terribly accurate and terribly powerful punches Buster Douglas strung together against a normally unbelievably great defensive fighter like Tyson. It SHOWED IMHO the CRUCIAL and conspicuous absence of the otherwise ubiquitous influence of Teddy Atlas and Kevin Rooney, whereas Joe Frazier ALWAYS had greatness in his corner -- Yank Durham and Eddie Futch!!!!!! (not two incompetent "friends" named Aaron Snowel and that other clueless dude with that crazy balloon of ice...) Hubris!
It sounds like both Tyson AND Teddy had fault here. Teddy (and Cus) were only concerned with making Mike a dominant force and neglected to get him the psychological help he needed (they had him at 12 years old.)
Mike was wrong for making advancements at Teddy's daughter, niece or who ever she was.
no thats what teddy is saying. Cus didnt allow teddy to discipline tyson the way a young man is needed. And there is no fault here by cus or teddy, mike wasn't their child , it isnt their responsibility to bring him up.
@@lucozademan999 Wasnt Cus his legal guardian so it was his responsibility to bring him up as an all round person not just a great fighter.
Teddy atlas is so knowledgeable and interesting to listen to
YES BUT WHEN ITS ALL ABOUT HIM
Look up Gene Kim
Ken trying to make a point: “so..Mi”
Teddy: lol stfu I ain’t finished bruh
@123GGGemmett 100% correct. And it's becoming tiresome. Someone really should talk to Atlas about not constantly interrupting Ken on these podcasts.
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Fascinating stuff. It appears that Teddy feels Cus didn't let Teddy properly guide Tyson to adulthood, because of Cus's "greed" (his desire to have another heavyweight champion).
Based on the tone of the last part of this podcast-damn, I really wish that Teddy and Mike would reunite for a podcast. I’ve listened to a lot of interviews where Teddy talks about Mike, and I’ve never heard anything like this. You can hear his affection for Mike and you can even hear him getting excited as he reminisces about the good times the two of them had. It would really be something to see these two reunite. Even if they don’t do a podcast; one can’t help but hope that Teddy gets to see the man Tyson is now.
My love for Teddy came from my knowledge of Mike. I feel that Teddy never gives Tyson any credit and constantly rags on him. It's like he resents the respect Mike gets as a fighter. I love Teddy, but all this Tyson bashing is unfair and excessive. End of the day youngest ever heavyweight champ etc was an awesome achievement
To me it's tough to listen to. Constantly for decades he takes digs at anything he feels is deeper than his strength.
True. Mike had the childhood of a fucking ANINAL. It’s a MIRACLE he never killed anyone and that he DID do something with his life. Teddy seems to not give that any weight. I’m NOT excusiyanutjing mike did. Ever. But you beat a dog, a cat, a CHILD long enough, you will make it into a monster.
Bullshit. He's talking about meeting and working with Mike as a kid. Teddy didn't HAVE to take Mike on, but he did. Even Mike says a lot of what he's done, even in boxing, profited him not. The ONLY people "not letting it go" are supposed Tyson fans.
I get it. Far fetched example but I do the same with Drake. I get that he's great but when you feel he is being compared with people who have contributed and done a lot for the sport like Joe as Teddy mentions it makes you start to try to counter the praise by going the other way. That's what Teddy does with Tyson, feels like hes the only one seeing the truth
@@PhoenixProdLLC Bobby Stewart was his first trainer not teddy or cus. Mike was a street fighter before he even met Bobby Stewart.
No one else is like Teddy Atlas: incredible discernment and analytical ability. Then explaining the information in the most entertaining, interesting, and colorful stories, and with a genuine warmth.
"He stayed weak because we developed him in the gym we taught him how to slip, we taught him to punch to the body around the elbow and bend and bring the upper cut right up to open up and opening in there I mean we taught him the spots to hit if you can't hit him on the chin you hit him behind the ear you hit him on top of the temple we taught him the liver with the left hook will debilitate the guy it'll take his legs away we taught him all those things but what we needed to teach him was there other strengths other talents and other responsibilities besides slipping a punch and countering it with quick double left hook. But sometimes and we laughed when you have a 190 lb nothing but muscle 12 year old who forces pro 27 year old men to open up on him just to stay in the ring with him sometimes you overlook things"
You seriously need to improve your writing skills
Evangelo D'Ippolito
Look up Gene Kim
Did you remember that entire qoute or did you go back and listen word-for-word and type? Be honest here.. Just curious
@@Amzodt do you mean "writing skills" or Pronunciation skills Cause there wasn't too many mistakes from what I seen
goldenboy 85 there’s one single comma for an entire paragraph smh
When Teddy slips up and says "Michael" referring to young Mike you can really see the feelings and emotion he has towards Mike. You only call someone by their full name if you share a certain type of relationship. In this case, a father/son or big brother/little brother type relationship. I'm sure Teddy hated the fact that he had to be hard on Mike and Cus got to be the good guy all time, but that's just the way the ball rolls sometimes. I hope Teddy and Mike can reconcile before it's too late.
I thought they already did.
Tax-bitchass biyatch It would be if that kid wasn’t built like a fucking body builder and had the power to knock out grown men like they were kids.
Andi amo I mean, not really though. Like they’ve moved past everything, but they’re not cool. It would great if they could really - truly - make up.
NickTheKid 98 thought the same thing. But he is incredibly honest, he probably is emotionally compromised when assessing Tyson’s career but he doesn’t realise he can’t separate his professional and personal assessments. Hard as he may try
Haha I thought the same bro!!
i think tyson did have heart i like teddy but i still think hes wrong about tyson. in the douglas fight he didnt give up even though he took a pounding, in both ruddock fights he took big shots and answered back when he tooked fatigued it was really post prison it looked like he lost the desire to win and even then he couldve quit vs lewis because he knew he was completely finished both in the fight and career wise but he went out on his shield instead.
He did have heart, he had trouble controlling his emotion and was a sensitive (and still is) person, and people mistaken that for not having heart. The Lewis fight was probably one of the worst beatings Ive ever saw and Tyson never quit. I agree 100% he just didnt enjoy boxing anymore and lost the passion.
agreed...showed a lot of heart in the douglas fight, he took many shots before going down+ he tried to get up and put his mouthpiece back in...i like teddy but you sense a lot of resentment towards mike....some of it i understand....standing up for his cousin while tyson was misbehaving ...and teddy was the one who had to leave, that would make most people bitter
Tyson was at his best during 81-88 when cus d mato, teddy atlas and kevin rooney trained him. Tyson declined once he fired rooney in 88. He could have been the goat but had a crazy lifestyle and wrong people exploited him.
@@alcottdevalte7440 he would never have been GOAT. A great fighter yes.. but not GOAT. He fell apart when matched up with someone who he couldn't run over like the rest.. he gave up! Nothing to do with his trainers or Cus dying. Tyson lost heart when he couldn't knock guys out. He was awesome to watch but never would he have become GOAT.
Tom cunningham; the trainers that tyson had during 89-05 didn't understand cus d'mato's peekabo style. Tyson never lost a decision as a pro and went the distance with quick tillis, tony tucker, green, pinklon thomas...during 86-88. Read his autobiography "undisputed truth". Tyson says teddy atlas left because he wanted tyson to became a pro earlier as he needed money once he got married. And then teddy wanted tyson to travel with him to new york and leave cus d'mato but tyson said no.
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My whole thing mike Tyson admits his faults all the time and tells everyone how he’s continue to deal with his demons daily so why do you keep beating him Down ?its not like he is running around like he did no wrong
I agree, tyson on hotboxin podcast motivates people and tries to be better and better by the day. Don't understand the grudge that never goes away.
He was asked the question. People wanna know the psychology of Mike. I think its facianting
theres nothing personal here teddy is telling it how it is but poeple dont like the truth thats the problem.
Jimmy Burke it had nothing to do with him telling the truth he been telling the same old story over and over again 👎🏿
Did you even listen to this episode?
Teddy described his time with Tyson during their early days
He mentioned the good and the bad
Or in other words he told the truth
Thank you for this show. You’re helping bring boxing back. Great job.
Love the old Cus stories, the legendary Catskills, with young instinctual, street-wise trainer-in-the-making Teddy, a call from Bobby Stewart at the correctional facility with a 12 year old 190lb kid named Mike Tyson. In boxing lore, that’s the oracle on the Delphi, the Greek Academy with Plato (Cus) and young Socrates, and even younger Archimedes, Pythagoras, etc., lol. Yoda with Obi, Luke, in Jedi training. Teddy, do you watch/listen to Mike’s podcast/show (on TH-cam, too), called Hot Box? I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on Mike now (that may be asking too much, apologies if that’s a bit presumptuous of your personal thoughts, etc.) Tks team.
You're 100% right. I also want to know how kevin rooney is doing these days. It would have been awesome to have him on these podcasts along with bobby stewart. Tyson and atlas should visit each others podcasts some day even though it won't happen...
@@alcottdevalte7440 kevin is an alcoholic unfortunately.
Tom cunningham; I heard kevin was sick a few years earlier but I hope he is doing good now. Tyson never mentions his name and must have regretted getting rid off kevin and steve lott after the spinks fight. It all went down from there in regards to his boxing carrer.
@@alcottdevalte7440 Kevin has CTE now
Fantastic interview and outstanding level of depth and insight coming from teddy!.. I dont see how anyone could think teddy was ranting on mike....He was trying to be as honest and open to give us a view into mikes life that few others could ever offer..
I like boxing but I'm not a huge boxing fan, a casual ,watch the occasional big bout, however I love listening to teddy. In depth knowledge,history & the phycology of fighters & fighting.
Teddy Atlas paints a beautifully worded picture. Damn, great. Great guys.
That Jacket is fire🔥🔥🔥
live from my couch with Mike Nav
Loook up Gene Kim
I would love to hear an episode (or multiple) on just Cus
The more Teddy talks about his memories in raising/training the young Mike Tyson the more you can see the realization in Teddy's eyes that he could of dealt with it differently and in a much better manner. it's as if you can see Teddy's heart for Mike the more he talks about it. Communication is the best way to deal with anything. The more Teddy talks about it the more he looks at it without any hatred in his eyes.
Mike captured the imagination of everyone during that amazing early period of his career. No small feat and no accident. He is better regarded and more recognized than any of his peers and I dare to say also the largest figure in boxing to emerge since Muhammad Ali. This is just honest fact. Watch the fights...all of them. Watch from his first pro fight through his later decline and accept him as a true legend, flaws and all. Teddy... maybe unconsciously is invoking the yardstick of past greats like Joe Louis whom can never be duplicated. Great historical passages borne of a period which cannot be repeated. Its a story of adversity
overcome against all odds by a cultural underdog of the times they were in. Both Louis and Ali (and others) helped define the archetype but under different circumstances. My point is this... Even though Tyson's career did not exhibit the same arc and trajectory as other great champions, didn't he also overcome adversity against all odds? Unless someone feels unfairly compelled to compare notes line for line, I think Tyson's story qualifies. He came from a place where a guy like him had little to no hope of being anywhere but dead or in prison and made a decision to pursue an opportunity to place his focus and concentration on achieving something where the odds could be measured in the millions for the rest of us (not hundreds or thousands). I see it as special either way. Cus had the vision and fortitude to recognize it and harness it and for better or worse (a matter of option) Mike inevitably walked his own road. I believe more than a few people may need to recalibrate their instruments when trying to measure his contribution to the sport in order to give fair analysis.
Post script to my comment: This isn't a blatant critique of Teddy's point of view and analysis. I enjoy Teddy's great storytelling and commentary very much as he is an established authority with a lifetime of knowledge on the subject. I'm only trying (respectfully) to reflect a different point of view as an outsider looking in.
I agree with you. IMO there was never a more tenacious fighter. I also believe Tyson never reached his full potential as a boxer.
@@connshawnery6489 Excellent analysis, spot on, and very eloquently outlined as well. I’ll take it one step further - Teddy never got over losing Mike. Grabbing a girl’s ass or whatever other shenanigans Tyson was engaged in didn’t warrant a gun being pulled on a teenager. Ultimately, the story Teddy is trying to tell is his own. He never fully formed back then. He never matured. He had a ridiculous temper and it got the better of him right before one of the two or three biggest explosions in boxing history. Teddy had to watch Mike dominate the heavyweight division for all those years from his couch, never receiving any real credit (aside from boxing insiders). Sadly, he created this narrative about Mike never rising to the challenge to compensate for his own pain. Not to say he’s not right a little bit about Mike, obviously he is, but the Tyson story is a grand epic tale of almost unparalleled success when looked at as a whole. Teddy’s story is a solid success as well and he should proud but it’s a kind of a story if what could have been. That fact haunts Teddy and colors his take on Tyson the fighter.
@@michaeltracey5691 Good append to this, cheers. I laughed because I posted my comment 2 years ago, and forgot I ever wrote it lol.
When Teddy talks - I listen.
I’ve heard Teddy talk about his past relationship with Tyson but every time he is able to talk about it I get a clearer picture about who Tyson actually was and why he became one of boxing’s greatest icons. Thank you for your podcast and please continue to make more!
Teddy can u please teach us the psychology of fighting that you learned from Cus
Listening to these stories is a session with history: wonderful and exceptional material. Thank you Teddy and Ken.
Can we get Teddy talking about Kevin Rooney as well? Just their friendship and his estimation as a trainer? Cause so much talk of Tyson, Cus-but Rooney is right there in that circle
Infinite0396 He wouldn’t have much to talk about; other than the fact that the formative skills, the foundation, had already been laid. TA was the one developing Tyson. In the gym every night, taking him and the rest of us to bootleg shows, driving back and forth between Catskill to The So. Bronx, Catskill to Red Hook Brooklyn, Catskill to Scranton, Pa., Catskill to Brownsville. On top of that, TA was not only there for Tyson, and to say he was instrumental is an understatement, but he was there for everybody in that gym. He was more than a trainer, he was a mentor, a father figure, a psychologist, a counselor. And you had scumb@#s like Joe Colangelo who would many times call for Teddy’s help because scumb@g Colangelo’s kid was struggling because his parents were going through a divorce and the kid needed help. That scumb@g Colangelo didn’t hesitate to call Teddy for help. But the first opportunity he had, he stuck a knife in Teddy’s back. He saw an opportunity, he saw a chance to suck on the t%t of the Tyson gravy train. Scumb@g Colangelo was so far up Cus and Mikes arse, that if you needed to find him, all u had to do was look for Cus or Mike and you’d see the scumb@#s feet hangin out of their arse. So why does this matter; Teddy Atlas was the one who put all the hours of sweat and blood into the most crucial developmental years of the making of Tyson. And he did it along with all the other stuff mentioned AND while training Rooney. Tyson was turnkey ready by the time Rooney stepped in. And Rooney only had one person to worry about, but the hard work was already done. Not saying Rooney had an easy job, but Atlas took an undeveloped, raw, self-doubting, immature kid and was not only developing him into a fighter, but teaching him how to be a man---until Cus stepped in and undermined him. Atlas developed Tyson from scratch. Rooney wasn’t there every day. It was Atlas. Rooney had his own career, and frankly, he didn’t give a schitt about anything but himself. The sad thing though, he and Atlas WERE friends. Teddy’s father was a doctor and WAS close to Rooney. Rooney was probably closer to Dr. Atlas than he was to his own father. Dr. Atlas took care of Rooney, more than just as a doctor, but in other ways to. But that was Dr. Atlas, always, always giving and helping out people who needed help. Rooney was one of those people, and like the scumb@g Colangelo and all the other phoneys who turned their backs on Teddy, he stuck a knife in Teddy’s back. In the end, these people showed they have no character and no integrity. They showed that loyalty is not in there DNA. Well guess what--in the end, it all blew up in their faces, and they had already sold their souls. They didn’t have enough respect for themselves, so it’s easier to understand why they did what they did. Cus use to say “there’s nothing more tragic than seeing a man defeated by himself.” They sold out their pathetic selves. I don’t know if that’s tragic, but maybe more like poetic justice.
ny2cali827 great reply and thanks for keepin it thorough...but being an outsider lookin in I Iove all those guys; Cus, Tyson, Atlas, Rooney, even Jim Jacobs seems like a fascinating guy. But good or bad I just was interested in hearing more about Rooney and your reply was informative
@@Infinite0396 Thank you. I appreciate that. It was a fascinating time in my life. That gym was a huge part of my upbringing and I’m blessed to have experienced it. At the same time, it sucked when it just blew up. Especially when people showed an allegiance to Cus because they thought they would get on the Tyson Gravy Train. But the most hurtful thing was to see how these same people relied on Teddy for so much help and when the time came, they turned their backs on him; and Teddy struggled for a long time because Cus blackballed him.
In the end, Team Tyson fell apart. I wouldn’t wish what Mike went through, his personal struggles, family struggles, struggles with addiction, on anyone. It was a bitter pill for me to swallow, because I blamed Tyson for the implosion of that gym. I was angry at him for a long time, but he has been humbled and appears honest when he speaks of who he was then and who he is now. More importantly, we are all called to give grace, for the grace we give others is the same grace we shall receive.
Another sad part was to see Cus throw all his principles out the window to get his last hurrah from Tyson. And money meant nothing to Cus so it wasn’t about the money. But to see this man compromise his principles because he was desperate for time was sad. The irony is Cus said there’s nothing more tragic than seeing a man get defeated by himself. His hubris, his pride, his lust for attention was Cus’ downfall. He became a victim of his own self.
Amazing, priceless stories. What makes it even better is Ken seems genuinely interested, no pretending.
Get mike Tyson on the podcast
theyd probably end up getting into a fight
@@sataniccyanide6976 you might be right.
No harm in trying
I am a retired professor who taught and has written books on political philosophy - and in all my time at the university I never met anyone with so much philosophical wisdom as Ted. I love this guy. If our teachers had a tenth of the qualities and wisdom of Ted we would be living in a much much better world.
Mike an Teddy need to sit down together. That’s my wish. An just talk. Be emotional. Be angry. But love each other an respect each other an be what they were. . A great team in life.
I’ve always felt an odd tie to Mike. I grew up in the 80s near Tryon School for Boys (it’s in Johnstown NY not Amsterdam where Teddy stated but close enough), when Mike was going there, and my best friends father was the cook there. So, when Mike was this young phenom he felt like this hometown hero to all of us.
Growing up later my family used to ride snowmobiles with another group of families and the son of one of them was a 10yo boy with terminal cancer. He was exactly like what you see in the St. Jude’s children’s hospital ads, no hair, no eyebrows and had one of his legs amputated in an attempt to stop the cancer but it was of no use. Regardless this kid was a badass, and truly lived like he knew his time on earth was limited, he rode his snowmobile like a daredevil, doing things adults wouldn’t even try. For an example of his mindset he used his Make A Wish not to go to Disney World or meet Michael Jordan, but to ride on the first leg of the Idadarod, which to those of you not in the know is a grueling 1,100 mile dog sled race in Alaska (the musher he rode with went on to win that year).
The reason I tell you that is because when returning home from the trip, his family came home to find a brand new jet ski and trailer waiting in their driveway, courtesy of Mike Tyson. I guess he heard there was a kid who grew up where he did struggling to pack as much living in the time he had left and wanted to help. I’ll never forget that gesture, and it was around the time the world was trying to pull Mike down in the 90s. He didn’t do it for any press, he just did it to help.
And finally I came to find out that Bobby Stewart (the guy who “discovered” Mike in Tryon) is my mother in laws cousin. So, I have these weird little connections to Mike from growing up near where he got his start. Never got to meet him, but if I ever do I’d like to tell him about it, and I’m so happy that he seems to finally have found peace in his life. Helping bring a little bit of joy to a dying kid’s life always showed me there was a genuinely good soul in there trying to make itself known. No matter what the world says about him he’ll always be a hometown hero to me.
Teddy you definitely are still influenced by past experiences with Tyson.
It's always sad to see when folks can't see that. Cheers.
Absolutely
Teddy is so bitter from the past never gives tyson no credit never ever will he put tyson down as one of the greats even tho Tyson was youngest champion. Teddy gets a sour taste In his mouth when talking about tyson
@@onthewall8198 Well, that's one way to look at it and I'm sure Teddy felt Cus was not helping build Mike's character and develop his maturity. And it sounds like Teddy is still bitter about having to leave Cus and his home because of Mike even though Teddy had been there 4 years before Mike arrived and it was Teddy who arranged to have Mike come to the gym in the first place... But also, Teddy knew that Mike was mentally vulnerable, he knew that if someone stood up to him he might mentally break.... And that is exactly what happened against Douglas and later against Holyfield... Yes he was probably not training properly, he was getting into trouble outside the ring etc... etc... but that is all part of his weakness in his character/mentality... Pride comes before a fall, and Mike never learned that until it was too late because he was never raised to be a man, he was being raised as a spoiled kid who didn't have to show any responsibility or respect. Courage is very closely related to self respect, and self respect is very closely related to having respect of others, so I would say Teddy experienced enough to feel like Mike didn't have the required self respect and courage to win when the going got tough in a fight. Mike was clearly physically gifted, but he was mentally quite vulnerable.
Can you blame him
The smile he let out when he said like cuss said unload those bombs was very heart-warming.
Get tyson on for part 2 MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!
Average Joe Mike’s so humble now. He’d for sure beat himself up and agree that “X” other great beats him. It would be a good listen. It would maybe show Teddy how different Tyson is.
@@eduardom.8766 Tyson let it go but Teddy is going to take this grudge to his grave
Average Joe You know, that’s how I’ve always felt, too. But I have to say, listening to Teddy talk about the early days when he was living with/training/raising Mike, like hearing him call Mike “Michael” and get offended at the idea that Mike wasn’t his guy back then, and hearing him get so hype about the combos Mike would throw-is probably the most positive I’ve ever heard Teddy speak about Mike, and I’ve probably listened to most of the interviews he’s done that are on TH-cam, so here’s to hoping the two - actually - bury the hatchet someday.
Always enjoy listening to teddy .
It took teddy great strength to talk about Mike tyson like that.
He's always talking shit about MIKE TYSON F Teddy Atlas
@@donaldwhitten2438 mike tyson tried to rape atlas niece hes lucky he didn't shoot him
You and Mike need to do a podcast. I know you've made peace with each other. but it would be amazing to hear both of you tell these stories. love you Teddy
Teddy lets get mike on the show ! I know a couple years ago u guys sort of made up wen mike went up to u at a boxing event and u guys shook hands and hugged . And u could see Mike really meant it ... I know there’s history but let’s do it !
Wow....that would be probably be THE GREATEST SPORTS INTERVIEW ever..because of their past....it would probably bring tears to my eyes...and probably tears and emotions to KEN and MIKE during the interview...it would be something to see....
Shane Jordan never say never! Lol
I know mike apologized to teddy few years back for everything (I think mike said himself!) there will be laughter and tears if it happened!
@Shane Jordan Hopefully not. Mike has found a new life. Let him enjoy it.
@Shane Jordan I never said he DIDN'T "have the right", padawan. Of all people, Atlas definitely "has the right".
What makes Coach Teddy Atlas such a great coach is that he tells it like he sees it: straight honest truth. He is like "Mikey," (from the "Rocky" series,) in real life; and the late Cus D'Amato could see that. Respect!
It kills me that they fell out I honestly think if tyson never went to prison and still had teddy behind him he would of retired undefeated in another dimension it happened just wish I could see it
And he kept Kevin Rooney by his side training him - Don King got rid of Rooney and changed Mikes evasiveness
Bring Mike on your show Teddy! That would be an amazing conversation! Just listening to you two talk about the old days with Cus... oh man... I could listen to that all day! Would be legendary.
Very interesting, Just an opinion, it would be much better if you lowered your mic volume and let Teddy Talk a little more without interrupting him with comments and questions. Thanks, just some input.
Teddy, this world and its children need more people like you in it.
I absolutely love this podcast but damn Teddy needs to let Ken finish a thought/sentence once in a while!
FOR REAL! He doesn't treat Ken as a conversational equal!
This topic is too emotional and hes venting not really conversating
@@1hundread948 i wasn't just speaking about this particular show but every show. I really like Ken but Teddy always cuts him off and takes forever to make a single point. I like Teddy but sometimes its hard to listen to him rant on & on
I could hear Teddy talk about early Mike and the psychology of mike for days on end. Please do an episode strictly on the psychology of Mike Tyson.
Think Tyson help develop who you where and could be and you did that for him
Perhaps you should just give the bloke a hug
Can you ask Teddy this question though. He says he wasn't strong mentally when faced with a tough challenge but he put in one of the gamest HW performances of all time when he lost to Douglas. Not once did he crumble in this fight after getting the beating of a lifetime, he tried his heart out the very end.
Teddy Atlas is telling the story, from his perspective, and being as objective as he can. It doesn't sound like sour grapes at all; I think it is very clear that he respected the talent that Tyson brought to the table. Let's be honest...what he says about Tyson's character, at the time....well, it has been proven true by Tyson's actions in and out of the ring. Now, of course people can become better people, and grow, over time. But we're not talking about the Tyson of today, here.
just for comparison - Muhammad Ali made an amateur debut as well when he was 12. Against a kid named Ronnie O'Keefe in 1954. Young Clay's weight at a time - 100 pounds. the Brown Bomber was 17 as light heavy (175) on his first amateur bout.
Teddy talks a lot, but doesn t know how to listen. Dominant man. He became famous because of Tyson, he better be thankful for that.
Tyler Durden yeah right. Tyson didn’t need atlas.
Teddy has had lots of success after tyson... Tyson is not the only champ teddy had a hand in.
Zerg ya after Tyson made him
Sage Sarabia - So did Floyd Patterson make Cus? Atlas was not Tyson’s trainer when he became champ, i believe it was Roony at that time.
Zerg atlas is an opportunistic weasel. It’s obvious to see. If you can’t see it you don’t know how to read people.
Just watched a documentary that had Cus, his wife, Teddy Atlas, Mike Tyson, Kevin, other fighters and kids. It was amazing. And , Teddy Atlas is top shelf. He is a great human being. Knowing there are people like him still out there, is food for the soul.
It was “watch me now”. Just fantastic!
24:04 Superman 2: General Zod to Lex Luther: "But why do you say this to me? when you know that I will kill you for it!"
damn you beat me to it lol well done champ lol
@@robboroberts7612 Good film, I've always loved that awesome line.
Your legend for that I actually came back just to here that part lol
Gotdamn this episode. Boxers, casuals, enthusiast, purist, trainers give a listen this is historic gold. Ken was so intrigued. So was I. Kudos guys. Kudos.
thx man!
Awesome stories. Ken, could you and teddy discuss how firing trainer kevin rooney after the spinks fight in 88 effected tyson' skills along with time in prison? And how friendship with don king and his crazy lifestyle ruined his boxing carrer. A dream matchup would have been a 64-67 ali vs a 85-88 tyson.
I believe Tyson was better after prison. Stronger, equally as fast, more experienced. he fought frank bruno before and after prison and did a MUCH better job AFTER prison koing bruno two rounds earlier and taking far less punishment then he did in the original fight in the 80s.
@@devonalexandra9963 You're so wrong. Tyson post-prison 95 was a declined version of himself. He beat bruno because of his offence, fear factor and power both times. Tyson basically trained himself during 89-05 because cus d`mato had only taught kevin rooney and teddy atlas the peekaboo style. He knew more than the other trainers. Tyson during 81-88 was at his best. His defence was tight, he threw the combination punches while moving the head, his pace was higher and cardio at the top, he used angles and fought to win with skills... He trained much more with kevin rooney, and sparred from 8-20 rounds each day once training camp started.
Tyson post-prison never went the distance. His confidence was lower and his skills were not close to what they were in the 80s. He didn`t move his head before and after a punch. There was no jab to set up the combination punches, no body punches, no working the clinches, his cardio got worse as the years passed due to lesser training. He lost discipline and had a more crazy lifestyle. His corner in the douglas fight was a joke.
And his new trainers had no business training a world champion, tyson should at least have hired eddie futch, emanuel steward, angelo dundee...
This is what he says about the bruno fight in 89 from his book "undisputed truth".
"I hired my Catskill roommate Jay Bright to be my new trainer(1989). I wanted Jay to get some money because he was part of Cus’s family upstate. We also hired Aaron Snowell, who claimed he had trained Tim Witherspoon. Tim later told me that Snowell was just his running partner who had carried the bucket into the ring, but I didn’t care. I didn’t train particularly hard for the fight. I had sparred with Bruno when I was sixteen at Cus’s and had gotten the best of him then. I had no strategy to fight him. I knew I could pick off his jab and he couldn’t hurt me with his power punches. At the weigh-in, Bruno attempted to stare me down, so I pulled my shorts down and showed him my pubic hair. When the fight began, I felt a little rusty but I was punching pretty hard. I dropped him with the first punch. Then I got a little reckless trying to finish him off and I misanticipated his speed and he hit me with a left hook and a short right. People made a big deal that I was wobbled with the punches, but that wasn’t so. It was just za-bang and then I was back in charge. I almost finished him off at the very end of the second round. After that, he held me after every punishing blow I got off. With a minute to go in the fifth, I wobbled him and then spent the next forty seconds stalking him. He was ready to go and I got him against the ropes and landed a devastating right uppercut, and Richard Steele stopped the fight. He was out on his feet."
@@devonalexandra9963 He was ripped after prison and he looked fairly impressive against Seldon and Bruno, but he definitely didn't have the same level of technique. He was much wilder, he didn't have the brilliant bob and weave of the earlier part of his career.
@@kforcerI agree, he was more shredded after prison than he had ever been before, he looked even more impressive in terms of pure physique.
That was part of destroying Tyson
Nice to see you looking so fit Ken. As we get past 40 years it gets harder and harder to maintain athletic fitness. Well done mate!
People forget that Tyson was a kid. Literally a child.
He still is..lol
Who forgets that?
What an interview- Mr Atlas is amazing here
Always hating on Tyson, one of the greatest. I would love to have seen how teddy turned out if he had the young life Tyson was exposed to. Teddy is a very knowledgeable boxing analyst but he finds it impossible to get by his obvious distaste for Tyson. The way Tyson has faced hid demons, learned to self reflect and deal with many issues and still be alive to tell the tale is nothing short of Miraculous. Teddy could do well to learn from how Tyson owned and corrected his flaws.
There are no demons. There is a theory that poverty is something of a genetic nature. You may become a super successful athlete, earn tons of money, but since it's inside of you.... 99.99% you will end up to be completely broke. There are a lot of examples of this theory, Mike himself too!
Quote these sources please. Poverty is a product of the system, a person can work their way out of poverty. However one is not genetically born poor.
@@jpgonly7034 Have your own imagination.
I'm half way thru listening to this podcast and it's such a interesting story to listen too, its absolute Gold !
Teddy should show more reverence for Mike and the time they spent together. If it weren't for his mentorship of Mike, most people wouldn't be watching this podcast.
After him trying to rape his 10 year old niece? Behave yourself hes lucky he didn't shoot him
This is the most interesting thing I've heard in awhile. I didn't know how insightful Teddy is about people's judging peoples' characters, such as Mike Tyson
*Mr. Atlas there is something i can't understand, why the fight Tyson vs Tua has never happened?? I bet it could be one hell of a fight! Was this fight on a radar or discussed at all?*
JPG Only Tua beats Tyson
@@niallsimpson6062 Lol no way in hell.
@@SelimxBradley True! TuaMan is the Man, he's way smarter and more focused then Tyson! He would never ever fu*king and partying the night before the fight with Buster Douglas! Tyson HAS and got *smashed!*
Truth be told Mike said no and fought lou savarese instead. He wanted no part or Tua or Foreman. Tua would back mike up all night..
@@SelimxBradley Tua would have cleaned Mike out.. Mike had his chance to fight Tua and picked to fight a fukin bum instead
Can’t wait until the next episode guys 👍👍🥊
Teddy is a great man. Greatest trainer of all time.
It is just so interesting because Teddy knows exactly who Mike truly is and that's probably why Mike ended up hating Teddy because he knew everything was always a front. We need more episodes on the early days of Mike - there has to be so much more from ages 12-16 that isn't out there.
We need to the real lessons on the peekaboo style. I believe its a dying style. Teddy can you create DVD lessons on the particular fighting style
Found out a couple cool things I hadn't heard Teddy Atlas say before.
Watch every Podcast, u guys rock!
What an amazing story to hear. Wow. You had a Bear on a leash. How about Marciano fighting Holyfield. 2 great chins. Light Heavyweight fight Or Roy Jones Vs Roberto Duran at welter weight.
One fight iv always wanted to watch was dick tiger vs frankie depaula! They have that fight in the archives! It was fight of the year! Absolute war!
interesting matchup but Duran was at his most dominate as a lightweight
Thank you Teddy "A". I've always admired your philosophy and analogy regarding the sport. Appreciate it..
Thanks for doing what the media couldn't. Telling your truth.
Although we didn't get to hear the end of any analysis of Tyson against former champs, I think we all know where it's going. I agree with Teddy about Tyson's achievements and reputation, but as others have said I'm certain that Teddy is still very bitter about Tyson. But my criticism is not really about the bitterness (after all, if the story is true about Tyson and Atlas's niece then Teddy has every right to hold what he feels) but the analysis.
It wasn't so long ago that Teddy said that Tyson's fight record should read 0-5. He meant that his five defeats were the only 'real fights' he had - I know it was 6. When someone believes that then it's hard to take the rest of their comments seriously - Teddy is completely wrong. I'm no cheerleader for Tyson. I'd happily place Louis, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman and maybe Holmes ahead of him, and that's based on the following belief:
Which fighters did Tyson beat who were at the top of their game? It's hard to think of any.
But that aside, I think Teddy has a blindspot on Tyson.
One final thing, Teddy really really really needs to let Ken speak. He constantly talks over him and repeatedly doesn't listen to some of the points Ken makes. Some of Ken's questions were not heard or ignored, and that's disappointing.
'Which fighters did Tyson beat who were at the top of their game? It's hard to think of any. '
Spinks, current champion at the time, early 30's, smack bang in his prime, undefeated.
Tucker, current champion at the time, early 30's smack bang in his prime, undefeated.
Bone Crusher Smith, current Champion at the time, early 30's, smack bang in his prime.
Razor Ruddock, late 20's, smack bang in his prime, no.1 contender.
Tyrell Biggs, former Olympian, mid 20's, as close to his prime as he got, undefeated, top 5 contender.
Mitch Green, top 10 contender, late 20's, undefeated, as close to his prime as he got, top 10 contender.
Actually, it could be said the vast majority of fighters that Tyson fought were closer to their prime than what Tyson was and much more experienced. A heavyweight usually hits their prime around 30. Obviously not in Tyson's case but that was more because of lifestyle issues. But generally, it's around 30 for a heavyweight fighter, so Tyson actually fought quite a lot of fighters who were closer to that age than Tyson was.
Frazier before Tyson, LOL !!!!
Bobby bigbollocks Facts. People forget what Spinks did to Holmes-whose an all time great.
They also forget what Tyson did to Holmes. Holmes was past his prime, but he wasn’t washed up.
@@eduardom.8766
I always say if Holmes was so far past his prime, he sure as fook wouldn't be beating the Ray Mercer's of this world, who was also undefeated, former Olympian, and smack bang in his prime.
No other fighter dealt with Holmes the way Tyson did.
Tyson could have been one of the greatest heavyweights in history. He had the speed,power and skills, but just as Teddy says he didn't have the heart. All of the greatest had to overcome in the ring. Tyson couldn't.
Epic knowledge drop. Great podcast guys!
Teddy you are a boxing trainer, your role is to build people up. You've been bashing this man for many many years. When it comes down to it, Mike was a kid when all these happened. YOU PULLED A GUN ON A KID. That's unacceptable in my book. How do you get to be the moral judge? Let the man live. He has moved on, its time for you to move on. Teddy am your biggest fan but you are letting me down with this.
He pulled a gun on a "kid" who was beating the crap out of adults....and who had anger issues.....after Tyson had inappropriately touched an 11yr old female member of his family.
Tyson should be on this podcast!!!
I like Teddy, but Teddy has to learn that shooting against Mike Tyson is like shooting at himself.. You re destructive to the Cuz Dmato legacy which both of you represent..
Fantastic conversation. Can't wait for the next part.
Ahhh man I just saw the tittle of this and thought. its gonna be the same old storys of teddy saying how tons had no heart and was this and that.. Zzzzzzzz... whats the sense of a podcast to talk about someones weakness when they aren't there to defend themselves.. ?
Calm down already. It's just a bit of boxing history, it's not a hit job ffs.
Im so gald you guys are doing this podcast i could listen to teddy atlas all day. I have so much respect for this guy and his knowlage is second to none liked and suscribed.
Teddy get to the freakin point 😲😳
I thought it was me.
Teddy is a standup guy with deep convictions
Lmao really Teddy only worked with in his early years he never trained Tyson for a professional fight that would be Kevin Tooney. Teddy Atlas been living off his short time with Tyson his entire career. Tyson has his faults but anyone who grew up like he did and reach the heights he did at his age would make the mistakes and more.
He also trained Micheal Moorer who had the heavyweight belt and others. He doesn't make a living off just training Tyson. He is a great trainer.
Let it go teddy , let it go..... Your a top notch trainer , and u have the gift of the mental aspect of the fight game the same as cus . im happy to c u and tyson when he apologized to u , that took alot for mike and u i believe .....
He just said Tyson wasn’t a natural? When he’s getting the best of a former pro as a 12 year old kid whose never put on a pair of gloves before? Come on man.
Jeff Rourke Teddy never wants to give Mike any credit, what else is new?
How does Teddy Atlas not have at least a million subscribers is incomprehensible.
how many of your 14-olds made 400-million, teddy?; by the age of 25? this country will frown upon you if you don't take the money, no matter how it plays out; and that's a fact. save that pious BS for the next man; 400 million is 400 million!
Teddy and Mike both loom large in each others legends, Im sure Mike is way past any negativity towards Teddy and they should both be on a show like this together. That would really depend on Teddy though because Mike is an advanced soul-he holds no grudges.
Having said that, man, Teddy is fascinating to listen to. If Hollywood really is making a movie of Mikes' life it better be one of the best movies Hollywood has ever made!!
Kudos to the interviewer here, he puts his ego on the back seat and lets Teddy rant on while showing incredible patience and offering up just the right amount of input which Teddy seems to sometimes ignore- but thus we get....well, we get something fascinating and if you'll excuse the pun, we get Teddy, bare.
Amazing stuff.
How come Teddy always talks about how bad Tyson was as a kid, but never tells the truth behind his story and how screwed up he was as a kid and all the mistakes he made?
It’s in his book. Teddy talks about being on rikers while being charged with robbery and how cus spoke on his behalf to the judge.
BECAUSE TEDDY WAS DUMPED OUT CUS KNEW TYSON EVEN AT THE AGE OF 12 HE WOULD BE A WORLD CHAMPION AND BOY WAS HE RIGHT TEDDY JUST WANTED TO CONTROL EVERYTHING BUT CUS KNEW BETTER
@@wallball45 did you even watched this podcast, god you are dumb...
wallball45 Wrong. If Cus knew better, he wouldn’t have undermined Teddy, Teddy would’ve stuck around, and Tyson May have been the youngest AND longest reigning heavyweight champion. But Cus didn’t know better. In fact, in the end, Cus was doomed by his own hubris pride. He couldn’t get out of his own way; he threw all his principles and everything he stood for out the window to manufacture his last swan song---the youngest heavyweight champ of all time. But he didn’t do much to prepare Tyson for life. If CUS REALLY KNEW BETTER, HE WOULDVE LISTENED TO ATLAS AND DISCIPLINED TYSON WHEN HE NEEDED TO BE DISCIPLINED, NOT LET HIM GET AWAY WITH AND DO ANYTHING HE WANTED, CAUSE IN THE END, TYSON WAS THE ONE WHO SUFFERED. BUT THE SAD THING IS, CUS KNEW HE WAS WRONG AND ATLAS WAS RIGHT. CUS JUST SOLD HIMSELF OUT BECAUSE IT SERVED HIS PURPOSE; and money had nothing to do with it. It was just the thought of having the new youngest heavyweight champion ever. It was actually sad.
And then the American government slung him in the gutter. Greatest boxer/man in the history of the sport. Well said Teddy.
For goodness sake, I'm 20 minutes in and you're still giving a quick 3 minute background check with all these jabs at Mike. I love Teddy but get on with it. He still definitely let's his past with Tyson influence his thoughts and stories.
I’m a big Mike Tyson fan but if I had a choice to meet Mike or teddy it would be teddy he is amazing person
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Anything about Mike and im all ears/eyes.
Peace out!