@@cpt.mystic_stirling In a speed run, you’d sacrifice units in a way that would save time, not be a drawn out fight of basically poking a BBEG to death with a fucking twig because you want to keep every single one of your units alive.
@@decimation9780 No like, what if there was a speedrun that also did this strat but different speedrun goal. Am just suggesting, maybe someone else did this. Also, we’re only talking about a specific level not the whole gameplay
@@cpt.mystic_stirling That... that goes completely against what a speedrun is. A speedrun is always about getting the level or game done as quick as possible. This is the exact opposite of that. To my knowledge, there are no speedruns that reward you for being slow.
@@QuestionableObject Yes, but you can actually recruit them, after fulfilling their mission, in their hut. I remember that, because I was quite confused when I saw it
Heard that, paused, and immediately looked for this comment. I know I cant possibly be the only person who had a mini stroke and existential crisis when he said that.
The first time I watched it I was just concentrated on what he was saying till he returned to human camp. Had to watch it again to realise what he did right in front of my eyes.
I picked up on it straight away, when he mentioned that chaos damage ignores all damage resistance. "Including spell immunity?" Was very suprised when he didn't explain it in the video. Felt very proud of myself.
My current headcanon is that someone thought Manoroth's blood was a good seasoning for the salad, which is why Grom's red after murdering Cenarius even though he didn't drink the blood.
@@ThisIsntATH-camr Wait, does that even make any difference? Damage still gets reduced by armor. It is just 100% base damage effectiveness. wow.gamepedia.com/Warcraft_III_armor_and_attack_types
@@richardhauer8391 No, I said that because Piercing was extremely powerful in RoC. A lot of solid units had Heavy armor, and Piercing did a lot more damage to Heavy, so Chaos damage was kind of a nerf on RoC.
We all know Grant is a mental giant when it comes to RTS games, but did you know he also has the heart of one? My tiny little 2-view stream got 200 surprise viewers from him yesterday, more than I'll ever have outside another raid XD
@@theseeker7692 No, but there was no way in hell Thrall could've just gone in and out like that. The felhounds didn't even hit him with mana burn once! The warlocks didn't use stunning firebolts, Doomguards didn't use Cripple... Was this mission just that broken in Reforged?
Few things: 1. Grommash is his full name and Grom is just his nickname 2. It's intentional that the Humans don't attack since they only retaliated against Grom and otherwise don't know you exist. You can actually destroy Grom's base and units before he attacks to get the same effect (Although Grom actually becomes an enemy and attacks you in the mission if you do). 3. Grom did have an axe in the original but I actually like how they made it more pronounced and obvious since it was a bit hard to see in the original. It even has a name: Gorehowl. 4. Perfect ending
Pretty sure "nickname" and "for short" is not the same. Thrall is the "nickname": Thrall's actual name is Go'el, and he and his circle is aware of that. Grom is for short, since we are only cutting off the second half os hist name.
@@cristhianmlr I mean it's not a "nickname" for Thrall either. The humans he was enslaved by as an infant didn't know his real name of Go'el, so they just gave him their own name. It is literally his slave name.
@@cristhianmlr All 'for short' names are in fact nicknames. But not every nickname is just a shortened version. Both could be described as nicknames but only Grom's is a shortened version of his main name.
"No regeneration items, only beef" Oh. On a side note, that last mission reminds me of those hero escort missions in WC2. The easiest solution to those was to just rush through enemies with what you have from the get-go.
-I am fine. -Drink your water. -I AM FINE -DRINK YOUR WATER! -I am not even bleeding -Because you left the spears in the wounds! You are bleeding internally! -THAT'S WHERE THE BLOOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE -DRINK YOUR DAMN WATER OLD MAN!!
"Cry of the Warsong" - you almost got it correct. Except one detail - Grom's attack initiate not all 4 AIs, but the one he attacked. I.e. only camp that was attacked goes counterattack. But since Grom goes to bases in cycle, after 4th attack you'll have to deal with all 4. There's a problem, specific with that mission.Rimings are calculated so that you have about 2 minutes between different AI sending their squads. However, If Grom's initial assault delayed by some reason, since "timer" of Aliance attacks are tied to Grom, you can end up in situation when up to 4 bases sending their units at you simultaniously. At least that's how it was in original game
Just to add on to this, but it's in flavor too. The dialogue indicates that Grom is supposed to be going crazy and attacking needlessly. If the humans were aggressive from the start, that doesn't really work. Grom attacking the human base to "wake them up" makes perfect sense when this is essentially a little mini war of aggression where the humans don't care about you at the start but Grom picks a fight.
@@Snow_Fire_Flame It also reinforces that the humans (aka Jaina's forces) don't want to fight the orcs at all. They're here for the same reasons. That's why they don't attack until provoked.
God i remember this. Grom at least in the Original can be very unreliable with his 4 initial attacks and send 2 waves almost back to back. I remember doing a run where the timing was so off i got rolled by 3 attack waves at the same time minute 7 xD
Last Missions Human Campaign: defeat an evil demon that wants to take over Lordaeron. Undead Campaign: survive against waves of powerful enemies. Orc Campaign: Pokeball
The fight against Cenarius is probably the most HYPE part of this whole series. The sheer overwhelming odds that you fought against and PREVAILED AGAINST are just so damn cool. Well played Mr. G, well played.
The reason behind the last Orc mission being so short, is because they forgot to put in the restriction of Grom needing to be weakened prior to capture. So you can literally run into his base, yoink him, and run out back to the circle in one go. In old Warcraft 3, you had to weaken him down to about 10% hp before you could use the SoulStone on him. Edit: I forgot to mention, that I discovered this by accident.
Really? I played many times this mission in original and I never knew about that. I captured him every time without taking damage to him after I killed everyone near him. Maybe it depends on the patch of the game.
Yes yes. I do remember as a kid trying to capture him on full health it didnt work. So I used whosyourdaddy and capped him. He is left 1 hp I think and you have to capture him.
The ending was the funniest with the long speech about how hard the map is, then you procceded to just yeet Thrall trough the map while getting Grom into the orb.
Funny thing is, Artillery splash is great vs divine armor units and the like, it's one of the ways you can defeat Archimonde before he reaches the Tree in the finale.
@@majormajorasic you realize that technically GGG has to do that, since "Save all allies possible" he needs to kill him before he kills the first allied base.
@@majormajorasic people have killed archemond before the first base even in reforged. And it should be possible without deaths as far as I'm aware (not counting buildings)
You know this kinda makes me nostalgic. Even as a 10 year old i wanted to save as many people as possible, tho your trick to save the first Tauren def surprised me, i knew about Cairne pulling his wounded boys across the map, as you said, it's rewarding. Unfortunately in the previous version you couldn't build anything in Grom's base, his units would attack it! Thought you'd like to know. Not even close that cenarius fight. What is this Doom guard coding ? Cripple ? oh wait the necklace... that's actually genius. As always your W3 content is a blessing, a shame the game itself took such a beating. What's next after W3 btw? i do have some ideas in mind
We've reached the point of snark where, when you say a mission is super cool, I genuinely can't tell anymore if it's great or if it absolutely sucks. :D also KAREN BLOODHOOF LMFAO
Demon lord: Now when grommash drinks Mannoroth's blood we will control the orks again. Demon: master he didn't drink it Demon lord: WHAT!?!?!! Demon: He didn't drink it, someone called GGG told him he knows another way to kill the satyrs. Demon Lord: Oh really how? Demon: A lot of towers and catapults,
Demon Lord: Well, this works as well, then. They must have suffered heavy casualties fighting the demigod, we can- Demon: They suffered no loss of life, master. Demon Lord: ...
So... Grom's name has been Grommash since like... War of the Clans or something. Point is, Reforged was not where they renamed him as Mannoroth calls him Grommash in OG WC3, though they still dropped calling him Grom for some reason. Also, Grom DID have a giant axe in OG WC3. Fun fact, attacking Grom's forces in Cry of the Warsong makes the Warsong Clan hostile against you.
They did the horrible audio splicing of every voiced instance of grom being replaced with "hellscream" because they didnt want to get sued by games workshop who have a warhammer fantasy character named Grom. Would have been fine if they'd just paid people to redub it, or hired someone who new how to actually fucking audio splice but it sounds like ear cancer the way they did it.
What a madman, you actually completed the Cenarius mission without succumbing Grom to the corrupted blood That last mission is such a pacifist mission lol Can't wait 'till you also try to kill Archimonde before reaching the tree xD
@@ganis6020 In actuality, the Wisp is becoming the Treant it 'builds'. The only iffy thing is if he counts as Treants being destroyed as a structure loss or unit loss because they can act as units when uprooted.
0:01 I'll never get over the fact that Grom's first reaction upon being presented with a chalice of demon blood to turn his race into invincible conquerers at the price of their souls, was "ew, yucky"
5:30 Not exactly. It's only the base that Grom attacks that gets aggressive. Story reason is, now they learn about orcs being there. A decent strategy in a normal play is to follow Grom when he attacks and destroy or at least severely cripple the base from the first try.
Since orcs have no healing, I think it's literally impossible to have a no death run on Warcraft 2. And even for humans, impossible until they get heal. Ok, some missions/maps it can be done. All of them ? Nope.
@@Winnetou17 It may sound literally impossible, but GGG has already done SC2's terran campaign deathless. That was widely regarded as impossible beforehand, too. :p
@@Winnetou17 I think missions with water may be doable since savescumming and careful micro can do so much in naval battles, and if you control the water you can completely neuter your opponent. Human feels definitely easier since they got healing and exorcism to counter death knights and later poly to counter dragons, although the last human mission is probably impossible deathless. Also, there's a mission (I think 13th or second last human mission, attack on blackrock spire or smth?) where orcs betray humans' diplomatic party or something and you have a bunch of knights and Lothar surrounded by a ton of enemies. I'm pretty sure there is no saving all of them. For orcs though things are probably much harder for late land maps like Quel Thalas. Death knights seem good on paper but with enemy exorcism and polymorph and summoned units being considered units (skellies could otherwise be used to drain paladins mana), you would have to cheese like hell with like runes or smth. Maybe you could use mass catapults? Seems like an absolute nightmare! The beyond the dark portal is almost certainly impossible the entire expansion being such a bloody meat grinder. I dont think you can do half of the missions deathless.
Well based on my experience playing *Cry of the Warsong* none of the human bases attack until either you or Grom attack them first and only bases that have been attacked will retaliate, the cutscene at the end where Thrall chews him out for attacking the humans really translated well into the triggers for this mission and I have to admit I was kind of impressed the first time I did it.
That Cenarius run reminds me of when i last beat the original campaign and didn't realize you didn't have to defeat possessed Grom to unpossess him and committed Tauren genocide to whittle him down to 1 HP where he promptly split into 4 full HP mirror images... had to go touch grass after that...
4:27 I know they've got magic and all but hearing that the Horde wiped out a _Terran_ base is just nuts. You'd think with power armor and what not they'd have the upper edge against a dude on a wolf swinging an ax around. ~Serious movie announcer voice~: "The Demi God has fallen" ~Excited kid voice~: "Meanwhile Thrall is playing with blimps!" Not quite as deadly as "Spooky Ghost Waifu" but still pretty funny. "Only beef" I see what you did there and I Do Not Approve. Nice Soul Gem image. The right gear makes all of the difference, yeah.
@@Addsomehappy you can control wards and mines, duh. It's not their fault they can't do anything except standing still :-( Wards even improved in TFT so some of them can rotate and attack, they are trying man.
5:00 This might be a weird reforged change. Back when I played this mission, I put a SINGLE farm next to Grom's base, and his orcs outright destroyed it.
He does lose a unit I think. Right around 8.24-8.25 the food count goes from 26 to 25 as Cenarius's forces attacks. Although it doesn't seem saveable, as its right as the mission starts.
I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but Grom had an axe in the original version, too. It's not just a Reforged thing. Part of the unique Blademaster unit model. Love these videos, by the way! Masterful skill and strategies coupled with great presentation. Keep it up!
this is sooooooooo much easier in the (broken) Reforged version. I mentioned this in Kelsier's run as well but the early levels of the Orc campaign are a nightmare in classic Reign of Chaos. The Tauren are physical objects so they don't have scripted appearances (and deaths? that one that died even though it took no hits will survive because it's not a scripted death) but the Centaurs will absolutely switch aggro to the Taurens if you don't move all of them over to you before you trigger the screen reveal, which is a pain in itself because chain lightning won't hit all of the centaur and so you might not pull all of them. I'm sure it was that difficult here as well but the Tauren not existing certainly helps. The third mission is straight up impossible because you can't block Grom's base. As soon as you build a burrow or anything in a path that will block their pathing their units will attack your buildings so that they can get out. Also, I believe the trigger that causes Grom to strike out after your Great Hall finishes is tied to the Human bases as well, because even with Grom preoccupied with attacking the structures surrounding his base, I still had regular attacks coming from the humans. Now, I could be wrong and that some of these were things that were fixed in the later patches like 1.21 but this was the experience I was going through using 1.05 (I think?) off my Frozen Throne disk
There are other channels doing runs like this. The difference? You are goddamn entertaining. I especially loved the part where you killed Cenarius without getting chaos damage. Glorious! Here's to hoping your popularity grows, man! I enjoy watching your videos too much for you to only have 37k subscribers.
Yup. He takes these challenges to the next level. Most would say timed units don't count (ans as such can be used as long as they die to their timer and not the enemy) or dont care about AI allies. here? He follows a narrative. And that narrative says NO ONE WILL BE SACRIFICED FOR VICTORY... just staks of sticks and stones that apparently operate thanks to magic and not people
WHITE TEXT COMPILATION (because I enjoy watching videos podcast style, which means I miss out on a lot of the funny flavour text): Landfall 2:21 The word "Centaur" appears in quotation marks above some misidentified razormane. 2:39 Cairne: Only one mission and the steaks are already high (as Grant describes the number of consumables needed to keep the tauren alive). 3:00 Tauren: I hope I'm not late! (while sprinting across the map to join the fight against the now-deceased centaurs) The Long March 3:32 Tauren: Come take a bath Cairne. Cairne: No (refusing to step near the fountain of health) Tauren: But you're stinky! (moments later) Cairne: I'm not stinky, it's the centaur! 3:44 Thrall: Scrub-a-dub, old man! (he and his grunts are forcing him into the fountain of health) Cairne: Let me moove. Cry of the Warsong 6:02 Kodo Beast: Bong bong bong bong (the organic units are partying in a corner while Thrall and demolishers complete the mission) Troll Headhunter: I love this song. Grunt: Play wonderwall. 6:19 Harpy Queen: What's over here? (following Thrall into an array of watch towers) Harpy Queen: Nope (resetting its position as fellow harpies start dying) The Spirits of Ashenvale 7:23 Furbolg: Is he winning? (watching as their chieftain duels Grom) Furbolg #2: I can't see what's happening (they are trapped behind their chieftain) The Oracle 14:43 Thrall: Finally got my pre-raid bis! (after Cairne gives him all his tank gear)
I need advise, I love Warcraft 3 but they butchered my boy. Now, I am watching Grant's videos I am thinking of purchasing Warcraft 3 Reforged. Is it worth it? I'm only interested in the campaign..
Depends on if you like the new graphics. I bought Reforged but I regret it not even because it's a broken cash crab but because it's ugly, couldn't even stomach playing the campaign again. The campaign is basically the same as the original with a very small handful of remixed missions.
You think this is why Garrosh created the Iron Horde? Because he realised that Grom and the rest were just cowards and resorted to drugs instead of their own strength?
In cry of the warsong every base is activated after it gets attacked by grom ( at least that's how it works in classic w3, I don't know if they kept that mechanism in reforged)
Oh man, I cant wait for Frozen Throne! Btw, you inspired another youtuber named Kelsier to attempt a deathless run of non-reforged Reign of Chaos. His run is really impressive as well!
There are allies you can save in the last mission. In cages along the map, they will appear if you break them out. But since Grom ends up freeing all the orcs, one could say it isn't necessary to break the cages as all allies would end up being saved anyways.
10:11 to 11:24 - That was .. riveting .. The music, the intense commentary and even the visuals. Seventy-Three seconds of *(Chef's Kiss)* sheer perfection. :) This part was very remarkable.
His name is actually Grommash, though. It's like saying "Your name can't be Stuart, you're Stu!" Also, in orcish, "Grom" means Giant, and "Mash" means heart. - So his name Grommash means "Giant's Heart".
Ahhhh the good old days, when games were amazing Meanwhile 2021 : buy a 2000$ gpu and turn RTX ON to see light reflecting in real time 🤡🤡 oh nevermind the rest of the game cz it's shitty anyways
Two things about Hellscream: 1. His name IS Grommash. Grom is short for Grommash. It's literally the same as 'Tom' vs 'Thomas'. 2. Pretty sure the demons call him Grommash.
the human enemies not attacking in Cry of the Warsong is not an oversight; the point of the mission is that the humans are unaware of the orcs' presence. Thrall wants to lay low, but Hellscream is a murderhorny dumbass and just goes around alerting all of them. After Grom or Thrall has attacked a human player, it will begin sending assaults. The idea is that you want to finish the mission quickly so you'll have to deal with fewer enemies.
I rewatch your deathless runs so much man, they’re very entertaining and also well made, keep it up, can’t wait for more.
Oh dude, me too, they're Soo much fun to watch, I especially love the storytelling and stuff. Keep doing your stuff man, we love it
Same, i love them.
Same
I watch them every night. Literally.
i'm rewatching them too from time to time
Cenarious seeing all the towers: "So thats what they used all our trees for..."
The arrows!
No u
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The Kevin ?????
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he... he killed cenarius without chaos units
on hard
without losing a single unit
...damn
thats determation my boy when he said in the opening you dont need any demon stuff
He probably copied this from another speed run
@@cpt.mystic_stirling In a speed run, you’d sacrifice units in a way that would save time, not be a drawn out fight of basically poking a BBEG to death with a fucking twig because you want to keep every single one of your units alive.
@@decimation9780 No like, what if there was a speedrun that also did this strat but different speedrun goal. Am just suggesting, maybe someone else did this.
Also, we’re only talking about a specific level not the whole gameplay
@@cpt.mystic_stirling That... that goes completely against what a speedrun is. A speedrun is always about getting the level or game done as quick as possible. This is the exact opposite of that. To my knowledge, there are no speedruns that reward you for being slow.
G: Defeats demigod, so Grom can avoid demonic curse
Grom: *Drinks demon's blood anyway*
G: ...
GGG: you had one job
@@gen169 and you failed
I blame Gul'Dan. He probably spiked the booze during the victory party.
sounds like something Grom would do
Someone spiked the victory punch
I'm already gonna say it
Please save the furbolg and a hydralisk in the night elves campaing, mission 2
Thank you
Save all allies rule
Btw you know you can recruit Furbolgs in one of the Night Elves mission? I don't remember which one tho
@@Pigraider268 There's a few of them, in the first mission, in the bear druid barrows, in the final mission at least you can rescue/recruit furbolgs
@@QuestionableObject Yes, but you can actually recruit them, after fulfilling their mission, in their hut. I remember that, because I was quite confused when I saw it
In the first mission
"inconsequential terran base" 4:25
Good thing they didnt have any Marines out
you brought an axe to a burst rifle fight
a Starcraft player at heart
Heard that, paused, and immediately looked for this comment. I know I cant possibly be the only person who had a mini stroke and existential crisis when he said that.
Jacked up, but not good to go :(
The way you narrate the last mission is one heck of a bait 😂
The first time I watched it I was just concentrated on what he was saying till he returned to human camp. Had to watch it again to realise what he did right in front of my eyes.
it still cracks me up
I picked up on it straight away, when he mentioned that chaos damage ignores all damage resistance. "Including spell immunity?"
Was very suprised when he didn't explain it in the video. Felt very proud of myself.
Grom: I must drink to Mannoroth's blood to slay the satyrs!
GGG: what are the costs?
Grom: my soul shall di-
GGG: THEN YOU SHALL NOT DRINK AT ALL
Breaking News: Local Warsong Chieftain dies from dehydration.
@@Heranara Reset run. Death is not allowed.
Is the fact that he did that ever acknowledged?
My current headcanon is that someone thought Manoroth's blood was a good seasoning for the salad, which is why Grom's red after murdering Cenarius even though he didn't drink the blood.
Orcs are 'red' by default, they go green from demonic exposure
@@Legatium they are brown by default.
@@Legatium yeah they're brown by default, they go red when they're exposed to demon blood and go green after the exposure
Orks paint themselves red to go fazta
@@Crock0il no. it's a tiered thing. Orcs are brown. If they drink demonic blood, they turn green. Any further consumption turns them Red.
GGG: *approches a deadly mission*
Thrall: "LEROOOOOOOOOOOY JENKINS"
And he got out with 25 hp left, the madman
GGG: The Demigod has Fallen, the Warsong is Supreme
Anyway, Blimps?
I read GGG as GromashGromashGromash. The ideal interpretation really.
@@scoob6505 GrommGash Gellscream
It's such a massive shift in the story, from Grom's epic murder fiesta to blimps.
I found that just before he said "anyway, blimps."
"The demon blood is our cure. We are strong and fast, Thrall!" *Thrall's main stat is intelligence*
I mean.....he's not wrong...and that chaos damage....*HMMMMMMMMMM*
@@shroudthewolf1105 To be fair, Chaos Damage isn’t that powerful compared to-
*Reforged uses TFT balance for armor*
Never mind
@@ThisIsntATH-camr Wait, does that even make any difference? Damage still gets reduced by armor. It is just 100% base damage effectiveness.
wow.gamepedia.com/Warcraft_III_armor_and_attack_types
@@richardhauer8391 No, I said that because Piercing was extremely powerful in RoC. A lot of solid units had Heavy armor, and Piercing did a lot more damage to Heavy, so Chaos damage was kind of a nerf on RoC.
@@ThisIsntATH-camr Ah, true I remember that. Heavy armor was very common. The high level ranged creeps had Piercing damage too.
Grommash is his actual name, everyone just calls him Grom for short.
Mannoroth calls Grom by his full name in the original game too.
He is named Grommash(unit name) in original game too
It's a lie :)) He always has been Grom
Yeah, right..
Next thing you'll say is Furion's actual name is Malfurion or some shit
It's like how this game's real name is "Refunded", everyone just calls it "Reforged" for short.
"I'm strapped for Grom-cash" oh my sides
“My defenses are being attacked by some night elves, they get Grom-thrashed.”
"Bladestorm is really important, because it gives Grom-splash"
Last mission could be called a Grom-dash if you were not playing Thrall instead.
@@trassage he takes the grom and dodges the bash in a dash.
Not to be rash but Thrall's got some cash to afford all this trash.
We all know Grant is a mental giant when it comes to RTS games, but did you know he also has the heart of one? My tiny little 2-view stream got 200 surprise viewers from him yesterday, more than I'll ever have outside another raid XD
amazing!
That last mission is basically just "Fast in fast out" lol
I think its bugged. I believe the original you had to fight Gromm.
@@FernasRPG Not really
@@theseeker7692 No, but there was no way in hell Thrall could've just gone in and out like that. The felhounds didn't even hit him with mana burn once! The warlocks didn't use stunning firebolts, Doomguards didn't use Cripple... Was this mission just that broken in Reforged?
@@Alknix He got an item in the previous mission that him him immune to enemy spells remember? =p
@@Alknix he got spell immunity(wish i would have though of that)
Reforge is a mess(somehow..still is) but is not THAT much of a mess
Few things:
1. Grommash is his full name and Grom is just his nickname
2. It's intentional that the Humans don't attack since they only retaliated against Grom and otherwise don't know you exist. You can actually destroy Grom's base and units before he attacks to get the same effect (Although Grom actually becomes an enemy and attacks you in the mission if you do).
3. Grom did have an axe in the original but I actually like how they made it more pronounced and obvious since it was a bit hard to see in the original. It even has a name: Gorehowl.
4. Perfect ending
Pretty sure "nickname" and "for short" is not the same.
Thrall is the "nickname": Thrall's actual name is Go'el, and he and his circle is aware of that.
Grom is for short, since we are only cutting off the second half os hist name.
@@cristhianmlr I mean it's not a "nickname" for Thrall either. The humans he was enslaved by as an infant didn't know his real name of Go'el, so they just gave him their own name. It is literally his slave name.
@@KaguroDraven a slave name is a nickname. They didn't baptised them as Thrall, they just addresed them with it.
@@cristhianmlr All 'for short' names are in fact nicknames. But not every nickname is just a shortened version. Both could be described as nicknames but only Grom's is a shortened version of his main name.
Thanks, I was looking for this. Loved that mission, loved how Grom caused the humans to retaliate.
"No regeneration items, only beef"
Oh.
On a side note, that last mission reminds me of those hero escort missions in WC2. The easiest solution to those was to just rush through enemies with what you have from the get-go.
Only Beef. I mean...they are Tauren
Reminds me of red alert 1 in the mission with the truck you just rush to the end
"Hold your positions, the Tauren Chief must not leave the fountain!"
-I am fine.
-Drink your water.
-I AM FINE
-DRINK YOUR WATER!
-I am not even bleeding
-Because you left the spears in the wounds! You are bleeding internally!
-THAT'S WHERE THE BLOOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE
-DRINK YOUR DAMN WATER OLD MAN!!
"Cry of the Warsong" - you almost got it correct. Except one detail - Grom's attack initiate not all 4 AIs, but the one he attacked. I.e. only camp that was attacked goes counterattack. But since Grom goes to bases in cycle, after 4th attack you'll have to deal with all 4. There's a problem, specific with that mission.Rimings are calculated so that you have about 2 minutes between different AI sending their squads. However, If Grom's initial assault delayed by some reason, since "timer" of Aliance attacks are tied to Grom, you can end up in situation when up to 4 bases sending their units at you simultaniously. At least that's how it was in original game
Just to add on to this, but it's in flavor too. The dialogue indicates that Grom is supposed to be going crazy and attacking needlessly. If the humans were aggressive from the start, that doesn't really work. Grom attacking the human base to "wake them up" makes perfect sense when this is essentially a little mini war of aggression where the humans don't care about you at the start but Grom picks a fight.
@@Snow_Fire_Flame It also reinforces that the humans (aka Jaina's forces) don't want to fight the orcs at all. They're here for the same reasons. That's why they don't attack until provoked.
God i remember this. Grom at least in the Original can be very unreliable with his 4 initial attacks and send 2 waves almost back to back. I remember doing a run where the timing was so off i got rolled by 3 attack waves at the same time minute 7 xD
01:47 ah yes, the schrodinger's tauren
Last Missions
Human Campaign: defeat an evil demon that wants to take over Lordaeron.
Undead Campaign: survive against waves of powerful enemies.
Orc Campaign: Pokeball
night elf : MORE TREES!! MOREE!!! oh and give me all your mines, goblin! yes all of them
*Masterball. 100% success rate.
The fight against Cenarius is probably the most HYPE part of this whole series. The sheer overwhelming odds that you fought against and PREVAILED AGAINST are just so damn cool. Well played Mr. G, well played.
And all of that using just desperate tactics, carpentry, regen magic and Grom. No demon blood touched.
The reason behind the last Orc mission being so short, is because they forgot to put in the restriction of Grom needing to be weakened prior to capture. So you can literally run into his base, yoink him, and run out back to the circle in one go. In old Warcraft 3, you had to weaken him down to about 10% hp before you could use the SoulStone on him.
Edit: I forgot to mention, that I discovered this by accident.
Really? I played many times this mission in original and I never knew about that. I captured him every time without taking damage to him after I killed everyone near him. Maybe it depends on the patch of the game.
Yes yes. I do remember as a kid trying to capture him on full health it didnt work. So I used whosyourdaddy and capped him. He is left 1 hp I think and you have to capture him.
The ending was the funniest with the long speech about how hard the map is, then you procceded to just yeet Thrall trough the map while getting Grom into the orb.
“The Doom Guards have War Stomp and Cripple, while the Warlocks have Firebolt!”
*Shows description of Necklace of Spell Immunity*
4:28 "An inconsequential Terran base"
Interesting Command Centre skin
Its a massive larping game
I died at inconsequential terran base, reload.
Me (sweating bullets): I forgot to save!
:D
The fact that you didnt even drink from the curse fountain, AND NOT LOSSING A SINGLE UNIT TOO?! That's a like and sub 0_0
And of course a couple comments, too!
I have never ever seen anybody kill Cenarius without the chaos well. Holy crap, amazing job dude! I love watching these videos please keep it up.
I've seen it done with huge warlock armies but never deathless. This is AMAZING
Lot's of people killed Archimonde too lol
Just wait until he beats Archimonde deathless...
@@nnelg8139 Probably not "kill" Archimonde. People need to do that with Ancient Protectors, but building them kill wisps.
@@overestimatedforesight Well, if you have warlock that means you already have the chaos damage lol
The death of cenarius was epic, the way how you described the moment combined with the music literally gave me chills.
Funny thing is, Artillery splash is great vs divine armor units and the like, it's one of the ways you can defeat Archimonde before he reaches the Tree in the finale.
@@majormajorasic i just built a literal wall in his face
@@majormajorasic you realize that technically GGG has to do that, since "Save all allies possible" he needs to kill him before he kills the first allied base.
@@TheNetSoul if he can, ot takes absurd amount of work to save the 1st base, 2nd base is even harder
@@majormajorasic people have killed archemond before the first base even in reforged. And it should be possible without deaths as far as I'm aware (not counting buildings)
You know this kinda makes me nostalgic. Even as a 10 year old i wanted to save as many people as possible, tho your trick to save the first Tauren def surprised me, i knew about Cairne pulling his wounded boys across the map, as you said, it's rewarding.
Unfortunately in the previous version you couldn't build anything in Grom's base, his units would attack it! Thought you'd like to know.
Not even close that cenarius fight.
What is this Doom guard coding ? Cripple ? oh wait the necklace... that's actually genius.
As always your W3 content is a blessing, a shame the game itself took such a beating. What's next after W3 btw? i do have some ideas in mind
We've reached the point of snark where, when you say a mission is super cool, I genuinely can't tell anymore if it's great or if it absolutely sucks. :D
also KAREN BLOODHOOF LMFAO
That final mission, definitely the toughest one yet.
Demon lord: Now when grommash drinks Mannoroth's blood we will control the orks again.
Demon: master he didn't drink it
Demon lord: WHAT!?!?!!
Demon: He didn't drink it, someone called GGG told him he knows another way to kill the satyrs.
Demon Lord: Oh really how?
Demon: A lot of towers and catapults,
Demon Lord: Well, this works as well, then. They must have suffered heavy casualties fighting the demigod, we can-
Demon: They suffered no loss of life, master.
Demon Lord: ...
So... Grom's name has been Grommash since like... War of the Clans or something. Point is, Reforged was not where they renamed him as Mannoroth calls him Grommash in OG WC3, though they still dropped calling him Grom for some reason.
Also, Grom DID have a giant axe in OG WC3.
Fun fact, attacking Grom's forces in Cry of the Warsong makes the Warsong Clan hostile against you.
They did the horrible audio splicing of every voiced instance of grom being replaced with "hellscream" because they didnt want to get sued by games workshop who have a warhammer fantasy character named Grom.
Would have been fine if they'd just paid people to redub it, or hired someone who new how to actually fucking audio splice but it sounds like ear cancer the way they did it.
What a madman, you actually completed the Cenarius mission without succumbing Grom to the corrupted blood
That last mission is such a pacifist mission lol
Can't wait 'till you also try to kill Archimonde before reaching the tree xD
Unsure about reforger but Archimonde is killable with a fuckton of Ancient Protectors and Ballistas
@@Soli167 But if he is fair. Ancients consume a Wisp. Thus, he technically looses a unit.
@@ganis6020 He didn't count it when using Drones to create buildings for the Zerg campaign in Starcraft 2.
@@Techhunter_Talon idk how StarCraft works. But this is The case in Warcraft 3. It would count.
@@ganis6020 In actuality, the Wisp is becoming the Treant it 'builds'. The only iffy thing is if he counts as Treants being destroyed as a structure loss or unit loss because they can act as units when uprooted.
0:01 I'll never get over the fact that Grom's first reaction upon being presented with a chalice of demon blood to turn his race into invincible conquerers at the price of their souls, was "ew, yucky"
02:40 "Steaks are high" like a rasta chef.
5:30 Not exactly. It's only the base that Grom attacks that gets aggressive. Story reason is, now they learn about orcs being there. A decent strategy in a normal play is to follow Grom when he attacks and destroy or at least severely cripple the base from the first try.
is that warcraft 2 music!?! (could you do a warcraft 2 runthrough with this challenge after the warcraft 3 campaign is finished?)
From what I remember that may be tricky. The ai is absurdly trigger happy with their polymorphs.
Since orcs have no healing, I think it's literally impossible to have a no death run on Warcraft 2. And even for humans, impossible until they get heal.
Ok, some missions/maps it can be done. All of them ? Nope.
@@Winnetou17 sounds like a challenge lol. I definitely think it’s possible, but tricky to do the human campaign.
@@Winnetou17 It may sound literally impossible, but GGG has already done SC2's terran campaign deathless. That was widely regarded as impossible beforehand, too. :p
@@Winnetou17 I think missions with water may be doable since savescumming and careful micro can do so much in naval battles, and if you control the water you can completely neuter your opponent. Human feels definitely easier since they got healing and exorcism to counter death knights and later poly to counter dragons, although the last human mission is probably impossible deathless. Also, there's a mission (I think 13th or second last human mission, attack on blackrock spire or smth?) where orcs betray humans' diplomatic party or something and you have a bunch of knights and Lothar surrounded by a ton of enemies. I'm pretty sure there is no saving all of them.
For orcs though things are probably much harder for late land maps like Quel Thalas. Death knights seem good on paper but with enemy exorcism and polymorph and summoned units being considered units (skellies could otherwise be used to drain paladins mana), you would have to cheese like hell with like runes or smth. Maybe you could use mass catapults? Seems like an absolute nightmare!
The beyond the dark portal is almost certainly impossible the entire expansion being such a bloody meat grinder. I dont think you can do half of the missions deathless.
Cenarius when you fight him as a boss:
Cenarius when you play elf: Hey trees wake up
You never play as Cenarius in Warcraft 3 though
@@nevermore7285 But you can play as Malfurion! Shut up take Malfurion
@@flamefierce998 Malfurion is a night elf. Cenarius is literally a demigod and taught Malfurion. They are in very different categories of power.
@@nevermore7285 Lore wise? Very powerful. Reality? Is often dissapointing
i still remember 11 year old me playing Frozen throne campaign
in awe like "Why hellscream Why"
Grom isn't in the Frozen Throne expansion though ?
I guess you mean Reign of Chaos, since Grom was already a little bit dead by the time of TFT ;)
Well based on my experience playing *Cry of the Warsong* none of the human bases attack until either you or Grom attack them first and only bases that have been attacked will retaliate, the cutscene at the end where Thrall chews him out for attacking the humans really translated well into the triggers for this mission and I have to admit I was kind of impressed the first time I did it.
Wards are closer to buildings than units so I guess you're in the clear after all haha.
Troll Witchdoctors get to be useful!
They renamed Grom in WoW. Also he always had the ax. Kind of weird how they used demolishers instead of the og catapults
"...help us clear a fairly inconsequential Terran base." Oh shit, the Terrans are in Kalimdor??
well _someone_ has to keep an eye on that hydralisk... ;-)
LE: 4:27 and 3m47s in the NElf campaign.
@@irrelevant_noob true but terrans on kalimdor is a very bad news
You really hype up the last mission, haha
I was expecting Activision to ruin another iconic Warcraft mission.
i appreciate that you put real Warcraft music over this fake Warcraft gameplay.
That Cenarius mission was the one I was waiting for the most, and chief, I ain't disappointed. Excellent as always.
Appreciate that little Master Ball of yours instead of Soul Gem
And awesome video of course
That Cenarius run reminds me of when i last beat the original campaign and didn't realize you didn't have to defeat possessed Grom to unpossess him and committed Tauren genocide to whittle him down to 1 HP where he promptly split into 4 full HP mirror images... had to go touch grass after that...
"Let me moove"
I see what you did there
Random Tauren: What are these letters burned on my ass?!
"9 minutes ago."
Hot-damn, I was just about to go to bed!
Got something better to do now!
he gets me every time
4:27 I know they've got magic and all but hearing that the Horde wiped out a _Terran_ base is just nuts. You'd think with power armor and what not they'd have the upper edge against a dude on a wolf swinging an ax around.
~Serious movie announcer voice~: "The Demi God has fallen" ~Excited kid voice~: "Meanwhile Thrall is playing with blimps!"
Not quite as deadly as "Spooky Ghost Waifu" but still pretty funny.
"Only beef" I see what you did there and I Do Not Approve.
Nice Soul Gem image.
The right gear makes all of the difference, yeah.
I’m glad you made some compelling cinema out of the demigod fight: you really got robbed of some dramatics by that last mission finishing that early.
1. Id say wards and mines and stuff arent units, rather buildings (not like theyre sentient or anything)
2. I believe grommash is his full name
Steam tanks are units but not sentient?
@@CavCave they have dwarves inside, and also can be controlled by the player
@@Addsomehappy you can control wards and mines, duh. It's not their fault they can't do anything except standing still :-(
Wards even improved in TFT so some of them can rotate and attack, they are trying man.
Omg i was just watching the undead campaign and was like " damn gonna have to wait for the next one" haha 15 seconds later its here :)))
5:00 This might be a weird reforged change. Back when I played this mission, I put a SINGLE farm next to Grom's base, and his orcs outright destroyed it.
was really waiting for this :D
16 seconds a new record (for me) even before the notification
"The final tower falls, my line of defense is gone, and ......."
Cenarius: "Looks at the peon"
Peon: RUN !!!
He does lose a unit I think. Right around 8.24-8.25 the food count goes from 26 to 25 as Cenarius's forces attacks. Although it doesn't seem saveable, as its right as the mission starts.
Every orc survive except for Grom Rip😢
Attempt 1 : Beating Halo Wars 1 & 2 without a unit lost
Oh Lord, that sounds like a pain
Man, having a high-level blade master really makes some of these missions go by in a Gromflash
I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but Grom had an axe in the original version, too. It's not just a Reforged thing. Part of the unique Blademaster unit model. Love these videos, by the way! Masterful skill and strategies coupled with great presentation. Keep it up!
Normally, in Cry of the Warsong, your allies would attack any building you make in their base so you wouldn't block them off. Reforged broke it.
Or fixed it, because it doesn't make sense for your ally to attack your buildings because you built them too close to them.
this is sooooooooo much easier in the (broken) Reforged version. I mentioned this in Kelsier's run as well but the early levels of the Orc campaign are a nightmare in classic Reign of Chaos. The Tauren are physical objects so they don't have scripted appearances (and deaths? that one that died even though it took no hits will survive because it's not a scripted death) but the Centaurs will absolutely switch aggro to the Taurens if you don't move all of them over to you before you trigger the screen reveal, which is a pain in itself because chain lightning won't hit all of the centaur and so you might not pull all of them. I'm sure it was that difficult here as well but the Tauren not existing certainly helps.
The third mission is straight up impossible because you can't block Grom's base. As soon as you build a burrow or anything in a path that will block their pathing their units will attack your buildings so that they can get out. Also, I believe the trigger that causes Grom to strike out after your Great Hall finishes is tied to the Human bases as well, because even with Grom preoccupied with attacking the structures surrounding his base, I still had regular attacks coming from the humans.
Now, I could be wrong and that some of these were things that were fixed in the later patches like 1.21 but this was the experience I was going through using 1.05 (I think?) off my Frozen Throne disk
Pretty sure his name has always been Grommash just everyone always shortens it to Grom.
wait.. this was easier then expected D: well on to the Nightelf Missions we go... :D
Cairne doesn't take a shower joke make me laugh so hard.
There are other channels doing runs like this. The difference?
You are goddamn entertaining. I especially loved the part where you killed Cenarius without getting chaos damage. Glorious!
Here's to hoping your popularity grows, man! I enjoy watching your videos too much for you to only have 37k subscribers.
Yup. He takes these challenges to the next level. Most would say timed units don't count (ans as such can be used as long as they die to their timer and not the enemy) or dont care about AI allies.
here? He follows a narrative. And that narrative says NO ONE WILL BE SACRIFICED FOR VICTORY... just staks of sticks and stones that apparently operate thanks to magic and not people
WHITE TEXT COMPILATION (because I enjoy watching videos podcast style, which means I miss out on a lot of the funny flavour text):
Landfall
2:21
The word "Centaur" appears in quotation marks above some misidentified razormane.
2:39
Cairne: Only one mission and the steaks are already high (as Grant describes the number of consumables needed to keep the tauren alive).
3:00
Tauren: I hope I'm not late! (while sprinting across the map to join the fight against the now-deceased centaurs)
The Long March
3:32
Tauren: Come take a bath Cairne.
Cairne: No (refusing to step near the fountain of health)
Tauren: But you're stinky!
(moments later)
Cairne: I'm not stinky, it's the centaur!
3:44
Thrall: Scrub-a-dub, old man! (he and his grunts are forcing him into the fountain of health)
Cairne: Let me moove.
Cry of the Warsong
6:02
Kodo Beast: Bong bong bong bong (the organic units are partying in a corner while Thrall and demolishers complete the mission)
Troll Headhunter: I love this song.
Grunt: Play wonderwall.
6:19
Harpy Queen: What's over here? (following Thrall into an array of watch towers)
Harpy Queen: Nope (resetting its position as fellow harpies start dying)
The Spirits of Ashenvale
7:23
Furbolg: Is he winning? (watching as their chieftain duels Grom)
Furbolg #2: I can't see what's happening (they are trapped behind their chieftain)
The Oracle
14:43
Thrall: Finally got my pre-raid bis! (after Cairne gives him all his tank gear)
I need advise, I love Warcraft 3 but they butchered my boy. Now, I am watching Grant's videos I am thinking of purchasing Warcraft 3 Reforged. Is it worth it? I'm only interested in the campaign..
Depends on if you like the new graphics. I bought Reforged but I regret it not even because it's a broken cash crab but because it's ugly, couldn't even stomach playing the campaign again. The campaign is basically the same as the original with a very small handful of remixed missions.
It is very much worth it, they also made some balancing changes as well. I just completed a playthrough of RoC and TFT campaigns.
4:37 "fairly inconsequential terran base" xD
You think this is why Garrosh created the Iron Horde? Because he realised that Grom and the rest were just cowards and resorted to drugs instead of their own strength?
Hell, that campaign was especially impressive to watch. In particular the last mission :) really got me there
In cry of the warsong every base is activated after it gets attacked by grom ( at least that's how it works in classic w3, I don't know if they kept that mechanism in reforged)
Oh man, I cant wait for Frozen Throne!
Btw, you inspired another youtuber named Kelsier to attempt a deathless run of non-reforged Reign of Chaos. His run is really impressive as well!
Really hoped he ended up saying to beat the final mission, I build up an incredible amount of cheese.
Your videos are always really good but that fight against Cenarius was just epic af
There are allies you can save in the last mission. In cages along the map, they will appear if you break them out. But since Grom ends up freeing all the orcs, one could say it isn't necessary to break the cages as all allies would end up being saved anyways.
Was really waiting for this one! Keep it up! :)
10:11 to 11:24 - That was .. riveting .. The music, the intense commentary and
even the visuals. Seventy-Three seconds of *(Chef's Kiss)* sheer perfection. :)
This part was very remarkable.
Can't wait to see how you will deal with the last mission in the Night Elf campaign!
I used mass Dryad to finish that but the casualty is really not pretty i wonder if this mission actually possible deathless on hard 😕
Petition to Blizzard making more Real time strategy games so GGG can no death run them!
have you tried one of these challeges in the original dawn of war or are planning to
I wanna see him doing it in Winter Assault...
"Commissars are great, but since they kill my soldiers, they are worthless for me."
The question is if it would be possible to save every single model or just every unit
So you avoided drinking for power and Grommash still turned..?
His real name is "Gromy the anrgy litleish Beyblade".
At this point i really really wanna see Night Elfs camapign. Good content here :D
Hahaha I loved the ending!
14:47 Such an eloquent and (a little) misleading speech.
10:58 this deserve to be in a GDQ run as incentive some day pls get world record so that it can become the case
I rly look forward to the nightelf campaign
my god it's gnna be awsooooome
His name is actually Grommash, though. It's like saying "Your name can't be Stuart, you're Stu!"
Also, in orcish, "Grom" means Giant, and "Mash" means heart. - So his name Grommash means "Giant's Heart".
Ahhhh the good old days, when games were amazing
Meanwhile 2021 : buy a 2000$ gpu and turn RTX ON to see light reflecting in real time 🤡🤡 oh nevermind the rest of the game cz it's shitty anyways
Fun thing about the Cry of the Warsong mission is that each human base only starts attacking once Grom has attacked that specific base.
This was amazing, how do you keep making your videos better??
No, there is nothing here.
Two things about Hellscream:
1. His name IS Grommash. Grom is short for Grommash. It's literally the same as 'Tom' vs 'Thomas'.
2. Pretty sure the demons call him Grommash.
the human enemies not attacking in Cry of the Warsong is not an oversight; the point of the mission is that the humans are unaware of the orcs' presence. Thrall wants to lay low, but Hellscream is a murderhorny dumbass and just goes around alerting all of them. After Grom or Thrall has attacked a human player, it will begin sending assaults. The idea is that you want to finish the mission quickly so you'll have to deal with fewer enemies.