ELI MANNING: HALL OF FAMER?
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- Eli Manning has 2 rings, 2 Super Bowl MVP's & is top 10 in statistical categories like yards & TD's, so it should be a done deal that he's a Hall of Fame QB right? Well, not so fast. Eli's career was defined by inconsistency, stretches of elite play followed by stretches of mediocrity. But were those stretches of greatness enough to get him into the Hall of Fame? This video hopes to answer that question. Enjoy.
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He’s a Manning who played in country’s biggest media market for over a decade and had two all-time legendary playoff runs. He’s getting in regardless of what we think.
Good point
Joe Flaccos playoff run was better then both of his, Flacco had 13 Tds and no interceptions. Flacco at his peak was better than Eli. So Flacco hof?
@@sammisomarriba592 did you just compare ONE Superbowl run to TWO? Come on dude that's a HUGE difference....
@@unnanointedonesufi is it really?
@@unnanointedonesufi it is? Flaccos super bowl run was 3x better then both Mannings runs combined. Flacco also never lead the league in interceptions, Flacco has more playoff wins...
He should get in just for preventing bradytards from bragging about 19-0
Bradytards? Is that a real thing, and why are they tards?
Facts
@@youtubegm3227 what constantly amazes me is that Brady’s insane longevity is probably the most impressive part about his career but his fans barely talk about that, usually just his team accomplishments lol
@Tom F. Eli didn't play defense.
@@hyghiyuhhji7626 Brady Passer Rating Gets Worse In The Playoffs Lol
"A killer touchdown throw from Brady to Aaron Hernandez" lmfao
I caught that !
He fuckin hates brady man lmao
Always need to catch those jokes he throws in there
Lines like that is why he has as many subs as he does
I want to see one of these about Donovan Mcnabb since Barry is an eagles fan. I’d love to see how he viewed him as a qb.
Agree
Philly fans hate him
@@zainsharifi4612 why? He was great
@@antonioiniguez1615 he sold shitty soup
@@zainsharifi4612 not this Eagles fan. He may have won no rings, but nothing he did compared to Wentz's last season
I would like to bring up that Eli’s 2011 postseason still holds the record for the most passing yards in a single postseason
I think he has the nfl record for attempts and completions in that 2011 run.
Yeah and their points per game weren’t that good. But the more important factor in their wins was the defense
@@Rekcha at what point does coaching staff and GM get any blame. It's not like New York had the best offensive minds in football, and let's not forget that most of his time there he played with subpar talent at the WR position Nix and Cruz were undrafted and we're starting. Those Superbowl runs the defense should carry considering almost all the draft picks and free agent spending went to defense. They never actually built around Eli.
Wow! The most yards in post season history! That sounds really impressive, doesn't it! Well, like most other things in Eli's career, this is a total smoke screen. The best QBs can only play in a max of 75% of the games that Eli did for that run. Let's be fair. Let's take the average yards per game for any QB to play 3 or 4 games. What happens then? Eli falls. And he falls hard. Out of the top 10. All the way to 14th. What about yards/attempt? Eli then falls further to 19th.
That's the simple truth about Eli's career. He's a below average QB that had a lot of attempts. Even for a bad QB they will add up. Put me in long enough and I'll be top 10 also and Eli is light years ahead of me in football talent.
BTW, Brady came within 100 yards of that record twice. In only 3 games (because that's all he could play). And a few others were within 200 in only three games also.
@@tomknapp6194 but eli beat Brady and Brady had a good defense too 🤔
He was an iron man though.
Meaning that he always showed up to play. He had a short memory.
He would get sacked, then on the very next play he'd convert an impossible 3rd down. The other thing that is overlooked is that he played with the same team his entire career.
He's a hall of famer in my book.
Plus two rings with wins over the so called goat. Thanks Eli !
Iron man, yes. Great player? No. Not even a good player. He was barely better than a backup most years.
@@tomknapp6194 I agree
When I used to watch football.
Eli could be one of the most frustrating players to watch.
I had season tickets there year the giants won the superbowl against the 18-0
Patriots. They lost every single home game that I went to that year.
If the Check down hero gets be Hall of Famer, Eli should get to be hall of famer.
@William Harding Eli is one of the most overrated players of the last 20 years. He was literally carried through the playoffs twice and was hailed a hero, when it was the defense that truly kept them in those games. And Eli still needed at least one extremely lucky play per game to pull it narrow wins. There are a lot of QBs that we better than Eli and never got close to the SB. He was just lucky as 117-177 and 0-4 in other plays "runs" are much more in tune with the rest of his career. He just wasn't that good. Lucky? Extremely. Good? Nope.
My issue with this line of thinking is that you can say that about other QBs, like Philip Rivers or Matt Ryan, that don’t get as much HoF buzz. The difference is the rings, so the question that needs to be asked is was Eli the driving force behind those. I think he was important, but I think the defense was much more important both times. He will get in because rings are a flashy stat, but I just hope it isn’t first ballot
The “Tom Brady drinks his own pee” at the end almost killed me
Bruh me n you both😂😂😂
I spat my drink out. I wasn’t expecting it
It's probably the only thing that he would agree with Eli's case for HOF.
the "Killer touchdown from brady to hernadez" had me dead.
Almost choked on my Redbull..😂
Eli should be in just because he ruined the patriots “perfect” season and he was actually decent QB even though he made a lot of bad throws and had a goofy look
Your comment should eliminate him. He was actually a decent QB.
The hall is for the greatest ever not decent players.
@@zacharymarvin4268 he's still getting in
@@zacharymarvin4268 Eli is interesting. Like he was probably the worst of the 3 2007 QBs but he also had like. A key part in one of the greatest upsets of NFL history.
Ive seen the Hall of Fame argued as "if you were telling the story of the NFL, who would you NEED to talk about?"
Its sorta why Joe Nameth is kinda overrated. He was kinda an eh QB but he also was key to establishing the AFC as a legit conference after the AFL NFL merger with his guarantee and super bowl 3 upset.
The Hall of Fame is about the Greatest players. But that isnt always the Best players I dont think. Eli fits that to a tee, I think.
@@colmecolwag that’s spot on. He’s the ultimate exception to what we normally think a Hof player means. In 50 years when people talk about this era of football they can’t just skip the part where he overcame the pats dynasty twice in the Super Bowl. I think he’s in due to the overwhelming amount of circumstances around him and impact of NFL history, not his actual skill
@@zacharymarvin4268 he had some of the highest highs and lowest lows of any QB
It's funny that you would list the 49ers playoff game as lucky. A lot of Eli fanboys like myself would list that as his greatest game. That 49er defense was nasty. Eli was under pressure constantly and managed not to turn it over once. Just for perspective, Eli was pressured approx. the same number of times as Mahomes was in the last Super Bowl against the Bucs. Plus, that defense hit much harder than the Bucs did.
That Was Basellcy Eli Entire Career.Dude Always Had A Bad Oline
I was just thinking the same thing. Always thought the 2011 NFC championship was Eli's best game of his career
Facts
Eli needed 58 attempts to have 2 TDs. Yards were decent, but when throwing that many times, the TDs should be higher. 55% completion and 5.4 yards/attempt is not impressive. And that is his greatest game?
@@tomknapp6194the numbers don't portray the epic performance from Eli.
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Super relatable lol
deadass 💀
Very Relatable. Definitely one of my biggest reasons for weight gain ngl.🤣🙄
Vibes
That killer hernandez line was amazing lmao
He Went Out With A Bang. Such an amazing career that ended too short. Atleast he died peacefully
@@radboy490 nah he went out with a HANG!
Lol
That 2016 season pissed me off cause it felt like common knowledge that New England was gonna be THE Super Bowl favorite for the AFC so I desperately wanted a trilogy between them and the Giants
2016 season will haunt me as wel 🥴 I was a freshman in high school and was amazed our defense was incredible….then Green Bay came
I think the fact that Eli did so much with so little says a lot. It’s a team sport not a qb sport. There’s a lot of context that’s left out about the mismanaged roster building of the giants that I believe to be important in making the case for eli
2008 when the Giants had two individual 1,000+ yard rushers both averaging over 5+ yards a carry. Giants fans are on record saying Eli had no help and the o-line sucked.
@@supersexysega But look at what happened after plaxico burress shot himself. It's easy to shut a game plan down when the team is missing pieces.
@@supersexysega the offensive line was amazing in the beginning stages of his career. You know when he actually was horrible. But when Eli actually improved, the offensive line dropped completely. This is telling for why they couldn’t score in the red zone in spite of getting 4K yards passing on many of eli’s seasons. Less field and space for receivers, running backs didn’t get space to move much. The management sucked outside of the Aaron Ross draft class during the Jerry Reece era. You had old guys like David Dhiel aging and coming back to play, they just shuffle him around to fill in the holes. Eli Manning got lucky with being above average and superb when it mattered. Now with the league being so pass heavy with the rule changes and now 17 game seasons, Eli Manning will definitely be out of the top 10 of yards and scores all time without a doubt.
I’m curious what you’re basing that on, because the entire team was great when they won Super Bowls, and when it was a bad roster they lost a ton of games. He’s not Andrew Luck elevating a bad team in 2012. He didn’t have that kind of ceiling
@@Rekcha The first super bowl run was a complete team effort but Eli definitely elevated that group. Barely any turnovers, super efficient he played really well. and when the won the second super bowl in 2010-11 they had the worst rushing offense and a bottom 5 defense. The giants management really failed to build around Eli at any point after the super bowl run missing on a ton of picks and signing a lot of bad contracts. Eli gets a lot of the blame despite showing a ton of talent and never getting proper support. It’s crazy how stafford gets so much sympathy for being in Detroit and going and winning in LA but Eli just stayed and worked with what he got
All jokes aside, nice to see Barry taking a break from the over the top trolling shtick and doing some serious content. These are really well done content wise with his humor thrown in at the perfect times
You may be a troll but I won’t lie your in depth football videos are very well done keep the content coming Barry!
I'm five minutes in and it feels like he's only reading the stat lines out loud. It doesn't seem very in depth. I stopped watching, does it get better?
@@thesandboxbandit3838 bruh find out for yourself
@@thesandboxbandit3838 he’s talking about how well he played while showing his stats and showing the context of why their team won/lost
@@lionelmessisburner7393 yep 👍
@@thesandboxbandit3838 That's all he knows how to do is read stats. He has no ability to actually evaluate the game of football.
Hahahaha let’s go I was expecting a 10 second “no” video again
Cowboys fan here. Eli Manning played in a tough NFC EAST division back then. He benefited from a great Defense very good RBs a Very good coach all ++++++. He was clutch in big moments and NOT INJURY PRONE like Phil Simms. 10 was good enough to beat the GOAT 2 times.
@robertdudley3398 just the fact a Cowboy fan is saying this puts how good he is introspective. Thanks for acknowledging he was a good qb
After watching Daniel jones keep getting injured I have so much respect for Eli’s consecutive starts number. He literally never missed a game due to injury his whole career that’s insane
You can’t spell elite without him 🥳🥳🥵🥵
@@ArgentineFootballfan1978 nope no L he just gives to TB12
You can't spell Is Delusional, without Isaiah...
@@elijahechicagobearsboyd5734 you’re a bears fan 😂 Eli has more rings than your whole franchise 🤣
Cant spell Lie with Eli as well. 🤣
"LITERALLY SHOT HIMSELF IN THE FUCKING LEG" 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
If plax doesn't do that dumb shit giants repeat back to back SB
eli got sacked 6 times and got hit 13 times in that 2011 NFC championship team. against the #1 defense with the dead last offensive line, absolutely his best game of his career.
no it wasnt
loglog watch football then get back to me
@@joo3793 I did
You mean the game in which the Giants had to rely on lucky breaks on punts to pull even and then win the game. I fail to see how that makes Eli great.
@@tomknapp6194 i love when people don’t have any arguments they go to “it was lucky” anything to discredit players.
The things preventing him from playing better was Jerry Reese as a GM and keeping Tom Cloughlin too long he was great for a short stretch and they weren’t going to fire him earlier than they did. I got a feeling he is going to make the hall but I see reasons why people say he doesn’t deserve to be in
I think also the giants thought that he could make up for a poor roster but he just wasn’t that type of player. They gave him really nothing to work with for a long stretch of his later years
Darn his coach and GM for making him an inaccurate INT-machine! He's a victim I tell you, a victim!
@@nightcross1030 nah his WRs just couldn’t play. There’s a video of you look it up where they show how many ints were actually his WRs fault and it made all the years he led in ints look faulty🤷🏾♂️
A lot of people fail to realize that he didn't only win two super bowl rings but he did it with two totally different teams after he won the first super bowl they traded off all the players and then he had to rebuild chemistry with a whole new team which is one of the reasons why a lot of those intersections that he threw were tipped balls that should have been caught and granted yes any team that wins the sole football always has to have a defense
This is a moronic comment, all offense intended.
Eli didn't "win" squat. He was carried through 2007 and 2011 and both postseasons by the defense. There is nothing special about that.
@tomknapp6194 I've been seeing you a lot on here. Do you have something against Eli or something? If you're a Tom Brady supporter, I won't judge you. You just seem kind of angry when posting these comments about Eli.
@@matthewcrispin4070 I have nothing against Eli. If you think I'm badmouthing him, consider something very important. Everything I post is fact. Not opinions, but 100% fact.
I have something against his fans that think he was a great QB. He wasn't. He was below average and carried by the defense through both postseasons.
But, if you have something, anything, to the contrary I would love to hear it. I doubt it isn't some that I cannot effortlessly disprove as misleading or just plain wrong.
@tomknapp6194 Oh, trust me, I absolutely agree. I really don't think he was as great as people think he was. The only reason I feel people say he is elite is because of who his older brother is. Eli had some flashy plays but really it was definitely the defense that won those two superbowls in fact in superbowl 42 the offense really didn't get anything going until the 4th quarter and if the Giants defense wasn't so good the game probably would have been a blowout. I was just asking because it seemed like you genuinely hated Eli for some reason, and I was just wondering.
Barry hear me out: Matt Ryan
The first thing he'll need to clear up, however, is should the filthy casuals who claim to be Falcons fans respect him. Because barely anybody in the fan base actually likes Matt Ryan, so let's just have them clear that mark before we show them talks of him potentially being a HoF'er
Hall of famer if his team didn’t choke. It’s a real shame, he had like four mvp level seasons in a row, yet he’ll never get in because his team collapsed for a quarter
The fact that nobody wants to point out how Eli heroically escaped a sack to get that ball to Tyree for that helmet catch shows how he gets no love for his efforts.
Escape that sack and then basically just heave it up in desperation. You cannot say that was planned.
Eli Manning is basically joe flacco but played much longer
Facts
Joe Flacco was worse
@@visualize2065 nah, Joe Flacco was pretty damn good for a couple years, just didn't have any longevity. Eli was always middle of the pack until playoffs
And Joe Flacco's peak was singificantly better.
Flacco was not pretty good! Just incredibly average like Eli. But Atleast in some games Eli was significantly greater and some games just terrible. Eli was inconsistently above average at best or average most of the time. Flacco has just been average, don’t get me wrong he was great when you needed him to be but that’s it.
Joe Flacco has only thrown 25+ touchdowns only 2 times in his career.
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Joe Flacco (41 starts)
50 TDs, 34 INTs, 63.8 CMP%, 82.6 QB rate, 242 yards a game.
Case Keenum (41 starts)
49 TDs, 33 INTs, 63.8 CMP%, 86 QB rate, 235.1 yards a game.
You could also argue that Flacco didn’t have the best receiving cores in his career, which makes sense. But even so, Flacco had the ravens at 4-5 in the regular season in 2018, look like another 8-8 season until Lamar showed up and that team went 10-6 without Flacco.
Lamar has put more impressive passing numbers with limited receiving talent something Flacco couldn’t do.
Atleast Eli had a times when he was considered a top 10 quarterback in the league, not the case for Flacco. Both Eli and Flacco are elite quarterbacks in the postseason but extremely average in the regular season. But I would not argue that Flacco was better.
Fuck no. He was Joe Flacco before Joe Flacco. A throughly mediocre QB who had two out of body playoff experiences that were on the back of legendary defensive performances. Not to mention he got those token starts in 2019 to get his career winning record back to a perfectly fitting 118-118.
@@artvandelay94 never led the league in any passing stat besides interceptions and he led the league in that category twice. Hell no
Anyone who takes 2 Rings off Brady's fingers is cool with me.
Love your in depth breakdowns.
I have some possible video suggestions if you are ever up for it.
“What went wrong in the Matthew Stafford era in Detroit”
“Is Matt Ryan a hall of famer”
“Troy Aikman: legit good or game manager”
I'd love to see the Aikman one
another one Could Be Why Brett Favre Only Won One Super Bowl
Aikman and Ryan would be really good videos. A Matt Stafford in-depth breakdown would be great. Stafford has a terrible record vs winning teams, so a deep-dive into whether it's Matt Stafford playing bad or the Lions offering Stafford zero help (aside from Calvin Johnson) would be interesting.
Great choices
@@maxschouweiler3726 I don’t think we’ll really know if Stafford is a choker until this year
Also in that 17-0 pats, SB win that the Giants thankfully won, two plays stick out to me more. The Mario Manningham catch (honestly the Hakeem Nicks before Hakeem Nicks) on the sideline was amazing and that Eli escapes from what I thought was gonna be a sack really changed that game. Great game, great performances, and another reason why I feel Eli is a HOFer.
I'd argue he did a lot more than more dominant offensive teams in his generation. His teams were a lot more like Brady's & that recipe is what lead them to success. What I mean by that is both Brady & Eli did on offense was take unknown talent that fit their schemes & let their GM/HC fit their defense with big DE's & speedy DB's that were good at tackling, & big guys on that were mobile on their O-Line. When they went away from that formula is when they went like 7 years of losing. The fact that he was able to be a top 5 -6 QB in his generation with talent on offense that weren't highly rated is why he's an elite QB & HOF. Brees, Peyton, were over bearing on offense but their defense suffered, arguably the best years of the Saints were with physical defense & the Colts went on a SB run when they got their best tackler back. Ben's best years were with some of the best defensive players ever, after they aged they never saw the same success. Eli was elite with less on his side of the ball, just get him 2 good guards & some good DE's & tacklers to do their part & he'll do his, which is why he's a winner.
I expected this to be 5 seconds longer than the last one
In all honesty, to both Eli supporters and those who want to spite brady in any way possible, he's hall of fame in our hearts.
Manning deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He was not the most consistent player, but he pushed hard and persevered when it mattered most. A 2 time super bowl champion and MVP is more than an average quarterback.
2 Super Bowl wins with an MVP awarded tied to each is more than most hall of fame QBs to be honest
@@ShadowGeo117 Below average QB carried to 2 SB wins and since the MVP cannot be given to the entire defense, it was given to a guy that had one great play against a team averaging over 30 points per game each time. Eli literally did almost nothing to earn that MVP either time.
No playoff wins when his opponent scored more than 20 points. Wow.
Very good point.
That's football dude.
He deserves to be in. He’s a 2 time Super Bowl champion and is in the top 10 in almost every important statistical category for a quarterback. He had some amazing highs in his career. Sure, he had some lows, but everyone does. Brett Favre is considered to be one of the greatest quarterbacks ever and has the most career interceptions of any quarterback. Joe Namath threw more interceptions than touchdowns in his career and is in the hall of fame. Eli deserves to be a first ballot hall of famer, and he has the statistics and the success to prove it.
Horrible context in your response. Brett Favre is a 3 time MVP. Eli Manning once in his entire career had a top 10 QB rating. They aren't even close taking into consideration the era difference.
Everyone knows Joe Namath is a shit HOF'er let's just put in Eli as well.
He’s only top 10 in counting stats which are just proof that he played for a while
He's top 10 in volume stats because he played a long time. For most of his career his efficiency was average at best. It's a joke to compare him to Favre who won three straight MVPs and retired with nearly every major passing record.
@@supersexysega Joe Namath is not a shit HOFer, although certainly not the best. He played in a different era when most QBs in the league were throwing more interceptions than touchdowns. Brett Favre has a career passer rating of 86. Eli Manning 84.1. If you look at their career stats they are very similar. If Eli continued for a few more years his stats would be almost identical to Favre. You add in the two super bowl runs - I think Eli's career resume is not too far off.
@@joseywales773 I hope you're using this same logic for Frank Gore, because for some reason everyone seems to think he is a HOFer even though his resume is far weaker than Eli's.
He has a few pro bowls and threw almost 400 touchdowns and has Those two rings don’t care if it was the defense but helped them out by being their right Qb especially against the pats thank god Brady don’t have 9 rings I know he has a lot of touchdowns but hey he did what he had to do he deserves to be in ~ Dallas fan
Quick! Name all the QB categories in which Eli led in for a single season. You'll only come up with 1: Interceptions. And he did it 3x. Once with a total that has only been surpassed once in his tenure. And 4x pro bowls in 16 years is not impressive.
@@tomknapp6194 Not impressive and he was gifted a couple of them 😂 "pro bowls"
@@supersexysega Pat Mahomes has only been in the NFL for 5 seasons and already has four pro bowls. In fact, if the Chiefs beat the Bucs last year, or if they made it this year and won. Mahomes would already have eclipsed manning in career achievements.
@@palantiri6590 Mahomes is a potential top 10 QB alltime. Eli isn't in the same galaxy.
@@supersexysega I only brought that up because Ben McAdoo and Jerry Reese wanted to trade up to draft Pat Mahomes and John Mara forced them to stick with Eli.
The 49er game wasn't the greatest but it displayed his resilience while being under pressure a ton against a number 1 defense in a muddy day. Its not like he had a number 1 offense that day.
He's Brady's kryptonite.
That in itself is 1st-ballot.
Please explain how Eli's 17 and 19 points overcame the Patriots average of 37 and 32 points per game for those seasons.
i feel like the collapsing pocket, and the amount of hits eli takes in this video speaks volumes to what could have been had the front office gotten him a elite oline like brady had
The one year Eli had a genuinely great o-line he had the third best QB/WR tandem in the league (behind Brady/Moss and Romo/T.O.) and went on to win the super bowl with one of the best postseason performances ever.
I was screaming that for years.
YES you cannot tell the story of the NFL without him. PERIOD
Only if the question is, "Who is one of the most overrated QBs that was carried through 2 postseasons?"
No! He wasn’t a dominant quarterback that put fear into opponents. He wasn’t one who was amongst the elite quarterbacks in the league. Eli was a good QB, but there is no justification for him to get in other than an outright bias because he played for the Giants. If he had played for the Eagles, then he would not go in.
I love how for other qbs he will give them excuses like front office but eli doesnt get that intresting and he is also a philly fan VERY INTRESTING
what true HOF QB gets that kind of excuses?😂
Aaron Hernandez line was hilariously genius!
Eli is my homeboy...he deserves a whole floor in the HOF
When it's the Homeboy Hall of Fame, he's in. While it takes talent and a great career, never.
If you did one of these for Brady that went season by season it would help me argue Brady not being the goat to my friends
He did. Go check his videos.
@@raghavsrinivasan8515 I’ve seen that one but it doesn’t go season by season like his other ones
Just Say Super Bowls are A Team Accomplishment And They Might Get It
@@gcc0858 don’t doubt how hard it is to cut through that narrative
He may not be the goat but he still had three mvps because he’s a hall of fame quarterback.
It would be cool to see one of these on Michael Vick. I mean he did play for the eagles, so I don't see why not.
I really like the depth of your research, I respect the effort. He may very well make the Hall of Fame but you are absolutely right he does not belong there, not even close but worse quarterbacks have made it, well at least one. More about that later. I just finished writing a book entitled "the first scientific study of the greatest quarterbacks of all time". I analyze 16 different categories and compare most of them to the average quarterback of the era that the QB in question played in. Then compare the percentage of difference to all the other greats. I did not originally include Eli but analyzed him as an afterthought due to his career totals. His totals are high because of the era that he played in and because he played longer than most. When I added him to the original 28 quarterbacks that I studied he ranks 28th or 29th in 4 of the 16 categories. He was only above average among the 29 in strength of schedule coming in at 14th. But of course he has no control over that it is included as a statistical adjustment for the other categories. All other categories he comes in between 19th and 27th. Just so you have some gauges the GOAT scored 716.7 points while the hypothetical perfectly average quarterback from any era scored 258.5. Eli scored 248.3 while his brother, who comes in as the second greatest quarterback of all time scored 684. As for the worst quarterback in the Hall of Fame with a score of 237.8 that would be Troy Aikman. In the Cowboys successful years they were carried by a top 5 defense and running game. When those parts of the team were just above average the Cowboys could not win.
As a patriots fan I think he’s done enough
Thank you for this video Barry, I love your videos very informative. You’re not like those so called “analyst” who only just look at stats and rings.
Without eli and the 2017 eagles brady would have 10 rings so not all hero’s wear capes some wear ten on the giants
But if you ask a pats fans or Brady fans then hero’s wear black and white stripes
Lol that last part.
@@ArgentineFootballfan1978 so bad brady is malcom butler
Yeah, Eli was fantastic on defense! He really kept Brady locked down! Now, do you realize how stupid that sounds?
Jake Delhomme, Matt Ryan and Donovan McNabb all scored more points then Eli. Yet they all lost. Probably because it's a team game 🤷🏼♂️
@@supersexysega no shit it’s a team game I’m not disagreeing with that but did any of them had game winning td drives in the super bowl
Can we get a cunningham version of this?
Yup we need that
I mean he beat the Patriots twice (with Brady), both times as underdogs in the SuperBowls and one of those times against an undefeated Pats team with the greatest helmet catch ever. He’s getting in.
His defenses more so beat the Patriots twice, but yes he’ll get in. I just hope it isn’t on the first ballot
@Fries Yeah probably. Given that Rivers is already arguably a HoFer (not first ballot but eventually), two Super Bowl wins would almost definitely have put him in
@Fries If Rivers had Eli’s stats, then no. Because Eli’s stats aren’t that good
@Fries Like the question you’re asking just makes it sound like you want to rename Eli “Philip Rivers”
He’s literally a .500 QB. 2 SB on the backs of defenses. Not a HOF
If Brady were on the giants he wouldn't have any rings. Not tough enough to succeed there. Eli did. The d was good but he faced good D's too.
@@testingmysoup5678 Tons of QB's are capable of putting up 17-20 points over an 8 game stretch.
I would love to see you do a video like this for a few of the older QB's who some say have been overlooked. Ken Anderson, Roman Gabriel and Jim Hart come to mind. What does everyone else think?
Ken Anderson yes. The other 2 no. Although their stats hold up against Bart Starr and Terry Bradshaw.
5:33 “And then the flip switched” lmao but still a great video
What music do U use ?
5:34 but then the flip switched 😂
Very fair assessment, but I think the quality of the teams around him especially during the later years was overlooked.
Considering how rarely he elevated the teams around him during his early years, he wasn’t going to do it in his later years regardless of supporting cast
@@Rekcha If you split Eli's career in half from 2004-11 and 2012-2019, despite in the first half he has 2 SB MVPs and 8 playoff wins, he was literally a better QB in the second half and couldn't win squat. How do you explain that.
Simple. He wasn't carried by the defense.
Rivers also threw 20 INTs three times and lead the league in a 4th season with 18, and gagged up almost every single real opportunity to win that he ever had, and he’ll have no problem getting in whatsoever
@Fries Just wait till they're all eligible
The difference is that rivers was incredibly consistent and had an incredible peak and was an MVP candidate from 2008-2010 and through double his touchdowns to picks and was an above average quarterback for every single season of his career while Manning was inconsistent, his “Peak” was just him above average, he never received a single MVP vote, through a shit ton of picks and had msny shit seasons on his career.
@@andrewsucksatvideos4482 Rivers played in gorgeous weather and had a hall of famer as his top target. If he was here in that wind his delivery would have been exposed.
Eli will probably end up in the hall of fame, but that doesn’t mean he deserves it.
IMO he deserves it I wasn’t very fond of Eli but he did do his part in key moments to win 2 Super Bowls and he did have some good seasons he was a true iron man stayed healthy and was a gamer
This voice at times sounds like Bob Saget when he narrated How I Met Your Mother. I just keep laughing imagining older Ted going “Kids…I know I keep talking about mom but I seriously need to tell y’all about Eli Manning”
lmao cooper got the ad before the video 🤣🤣🤣
Do one on Brett Favre next, the gunslinger and DickPicksender should’ve had a couple rings on those amazing packers teams🤦🏾♂️
I’d love to see a video on Ryan Fitzpatrick. He’s had an interesting career to say the least
This shouldn't even be a conversation. Eli ticks all of the boxes: Longevity, Statistics, Championships. And I'm a Cowboy fan.
"But then the flip switched" i had a good giggle
Thought it was the short video again haha
Yes I think Eli will make the Hof but not on his first or even second ballet. He won two Superbowls,played his entire career in NY.
Eli won or the defense won? Because I seem to remember Eli scoring 17 and 19 points against teams averaging 37 and 32 points for an entire season. What was it about what Eli did that overcame those averages?
@@tomknapp6194 You are correct those defenses were the main reason they beat New England both times holding them to 14 and 17 points. Eli still played well though with a combined QB rating of over 96 with 3 tds 1 int and over 550 yards I believe anyways. I still can't believe they held the perfect Pats to only 14 points 😆 😆. I'm not an Eli or NYG fan and hate the Pats. The guy did play well in both superbowls and led his team's to two titles and had late game winning drives in both games I believe. Yeah I do agree that his defense is what really helped them win those titles but he did play well and showed up big when it mattered and for that I do think he deserves to get into the HOF eventually. I don't think he was good enough to get in on his first try or even second and it might take him some time to get in but he will get in eventually. Just like Terrell Davis. Though Davis had some great regular season stats like 2000 yards rushing and was the best rb in the league for 2 or 3 years but his career was very short lived. He made a big impact in his short time though and helped Elway finally win a title or two.
@@mrsinister8943 To say that Eli played well enough to beat teams that were well below their season average just isn't accurate. Those 8 playoff teams were an average of 13 points below their combined season average and Eli still needed lucky last second plays to barely win 5/8 games.
But, let's see how Eli does against each team's average points for the season. If all 8 games are played, Eli goes 2-6 against those average teams beating Tampa Bay by less than a point and 2011 Packers by 2 points. All the others are losses. Some of them blowout.
Eli literally had to rely on multiple pro bowl QBs to have one of their worst games of the season and still barely managed to win. And was then called a playoff genius.
Nothing if further from the truth.
@@tomknapp6194 I'm just talking about Superbowls. The guy played well in both superbowls and won two titles. That's what most people will remember. Do you not think he deserves to be in the HOF? Yes his defense helped him out alot and to be honest he got very lucky especially with that catch against the undefeated Patriots but he did his part and didn't cost his team the game. Im just saying based off of his two rings and him being the starting QB of one of the greatest underdog moments in history that he will get into the HOF. I won't lose any sleep if he doesn't get in but I do think he deserves to get in eventually but not for awhile or a few years at least.
@@mrsinister8943 I'm talking the entire playoffs. The defense held 8 straight playoff teams to an average of 15.2 points per game and Eli still barely won 5/8 of those games.
Let's put this in perspective. If even an average team shows up, which is basically 50/50, Eli goes 2-6 only winning by less than a point against Tampa Bay and by 2 points against the 2011 Packers.
Another point of view is that Eli needed 5 pro bowl QBs to have one of their worst games of the year and still barely win those games on last second lucky plays.
Seriously, Eli was not a factor in any way. It was almost 100% defense.
Thanks for doing a in depth breakdown this time Barry
I literally just got an ad with cooper manning in it before this video
Giants fan who followed his entire career very closely. You're dead on dude. I agree with everything. I like Eli, I think he's a great story winning those 2 Super Bowls but I would not say he deserved to win 2 rings, I feel like he kind of stole them by peaking at the right times rather than by being consistent. The numbers do not bear out a hall of fame case for him and you made that clear. Well done.
He didn't even peak at the right time. In 2007, he was carried by his defense.
It doesn’t matter what the numbers bear. He’s getting in regardless lol maybe not first ballot, but Eli is going in the hall for sure
@@jaynyce5923 I don't know whether he gets in or not and you may be right and he might get in. All I can say is do I think he deserves to get in or not, and I say he doesn't. Even though he will always be remembered along with Simms as the best of Giants QBs. But I'm not even sure who was better in that debate either.
U ain't no giants fan
@@viciousvigilante4985 I'm just very fair-minded and don't carry my biases with me into all arguments.
Every Winning QB from Super Bowl's I thru XIV are in the Hall of Fame. If Bob Griese and Len Dawson are in the HOF, you easily put Eli Manning in the HOF.
•117-117
•2 Super Bowls
•2 Super Bowl MVPs
•#8 All-Time Passing Yards
•#9 All-Time Pass TDs
•16 years with the same team
I wouldn't select him as a First Ballot HOF, but would have him sweat it out a few years - like Kurt Warner.
Kurt Warner atleast was a dominant QB for a period in his career. It's a stretch to say Eli Manning was ever consistently very good at any point in his career. Him being a top 10 QB all-time in regards to passing yards comes down to starting 234 games in a passer friendly era. Five guys from his own era are ahead of him. With plenty more creeping up.
@@supersexysega Many Hall of Fame QBs get in for their body of work. Eli's not a first ballot Hall of Famer. 1st ballot players are considered one of the Greatest or in the conversation as Greatest of all-time at a position. Ultimately, Eli is deserving to get in the HOF - in my opinion.
@@Thomas1701E I can't justify a guy who spent damn near his entire career not even being a top 10 player at his own position. Could care less what you accumulate at the end of the day if on a season by season basis 10-15 guys were doing the same job more effectively every year you where in the league.
Giants fan here. Eli was inconsistent but he also had a suspect line and terrible defense at times.
When he had the weapons around him (Nicks, Cruz, Manningham) he was really good.
A QB is only as good as his weapons and protection.
He didnt jave the luxury of playing in a dome with perfect blocking like his brother.
He's a 2x SB MVP and with that he'll get in.
Bruh “a KILLER touchdown throw from Brady to Arron Hernandez” 17:00 😂😂
17:21 McCockiner hates Brady so much! 😂
I hope someday you make a video about Matt Ryan or Ben Roethlisberger
Roethilsburger is a hall of famer and I don’t think many people can argue that. I would like him to do a video on Joe Namath, how he’s a shit hall of famer.
I feel like he had anxiety so when in the biggest moments, for fear of messing up he would totally shine
When you utilize just stats without discussing some of the issues with the offense. After the great 2 1,000 yd rb season the giants had a weak run game and a far below average OL that continues till this day. The Defense blew a lot of games. And K.G.'s offense was very complex with option routes and A LOT OF HIS INT'S were a direct result of the wr's running the wrong route. Each season the team had less talent each year (see Reese)
Mind you if Plax doesn't ruin that season the Giants had a really great chance of repeating, as they were the best team that year till the incident, remember there was a cloud hovering over them as the authorities were contemplating charging Pierce as well...it was that that sunk them.
@15:42 *You had ONE job!*
you fail to mention the shit offensive lines he played for
That's because no one was afraid of Eli and defenses could commit more to the run/pass rush.
Tbf a lot of those picks from about 2012-2017 were picks via receivers. I can’t tell you how many times I yelled at the tv for receivers like Ruben randle swatting the ball upwards lol. In anycase I hope my boy gets in.
all of that goes both ways, receiver drops lead to INTs and defenders drop them all the time as well, in the end, every QB should have a couple more INTs at the end of the season
Eli will always be a Hall-of-Famer in my heart for beating Brady twice in the Superbowl.
Eli beat them or the defense that held the Patriots to 23 and 15 points below their season average did?
Early in his career he won those 2 Super Bowls once against an undefeated team witch is impressive but it’s hard to say because later in to his career he looked like A backup quarterback who hasn’t started since his sign ngl… but if he can come into a freezing cold temperature and beat my packers 😭 and beat a highly favorable patriots team that was undefeated and had randy moss then I’d say his chances are pretty good (my opinion)
I think Eli should be in the HOF. He not only won two Super Bowls, he beat the Patriots and Tom Brady as a huge underdog!
I'm glad you did this but I loved you 6 second video about it.
Eli to Manningham in the Super Bowl is the greatest pass in NFL history
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As a fellow eagle fan please make one of these on mcnabb
Which pixel was Eli?
Not the hero we wanted, but the hero we needed.
Without him Brady would have 8 rings and an undefeated season.
Ayy thanks for doing Eli, Mike Vick next?
I don't think they allow videos inside prisons.
Michael Vick is a jagoff.
Keep them coming Barryyyyy
Stopping Brady twice in the superbowl is an easy HOF spot
Only 6 players have won multiple SB MVPs. All of those players that are eligible have been inducted into the hall of fame.
Literally the only thing he has going for him are the 2 Super Bowls
Incorrect
i was an eli fan myself i felt like he deserve some credit i like the dude cause he upset 2 times the most overrated player in all of the sports, i thought he deserved the HOF but sometimes you need to check, with this in mind its safe that he made himself a name by being A manning
If Terry Bradshaw is a HOFer than Eli Manning should be as well.
Eli's rookie season was still better than John Elway's rookie season.
YESS!! WAS WAITING ON THIS! Had a big ass debate about this the other say
Do a Tim Tebow analysis and why he failed 😂