I love the fact that in a lot of depictions of Darkseid he fights with his hands behind his back and just uses his Omega Beams. It’s like he’s saying that he is so powerful he doesn’t even need to raise a fist. He doesn’t take his enemies seriously because to him they are ants.
@@thrasherSZN Actually I kinda get it. Homelander is just lasering people like crazy instead of using his fists like Superman who holds back because he's usually not trying to kill.
Grant Morrison IS crazy- would recommend his book 'Supergods' - a well written history of comics that gradually reveals how insane (in a good wau) he is
Nah... prep time + Batman = beyond beyond beyond all known power/influence that ever has, every will exist/not exist... Batman's superpower is not being rich... it's winning against all odds, while still being humble to be called just a regular human
That’s always been my issue with the way DC writes Darksied. The only one who’s been able to write Darksied the way he should be written is Grant Morrison. He’s a metaphysical concept that’s beyond everyone in the DC universe and even his avatars are powerful enough to causally beat being such as the Specter, yet usually gets his ass kicked by the Justice League every other week and almost never wins. If DC wrote Darksied a little closer to the way Thanos is portrayed in Marvel comics, who has a damn good number of wins against Marvel heroes, Darksied would feel a lot more threatening against the DC universe
@@josepreciado2479 Snyderverse is the worst thing to happen to DC. Now that we have moved on from that failure, perhaps we can start getting actual good DC movies. Majority of fans and critics know that BvS and JL were one of the worst superhero movies ever made. Only his deluded hardcore Snyder fans think otherwise.
Basically according to comics, Highfather = Concept of every good thing that ever happens Darkseid = concept of every bad thing that ever happens When both fight it influences reality and existence
Judging from the clothes, I guess the assassin Uxas hired for his mom was Granny Goodness. Before she was granny. So I guess her name was just Goodness.
Justice League Dark: Apokolips War portrayed him near perfectly. Sure he got beaten at the end but that's the fate of every villain. The way he tortured Superman was just, Ugh, exquisite
@@NP-zv4bf maybe... just maybe superman is also beyond omega level...keep in mind that according to manhattan everything in dc started with him since he's the first super hero! also there's no character that is consistent in comics but people just love to hate on superman. Like in one comic wonder woman fights ares and in another she gets injured by a bullet!
@@dusodystopia Actually he entered the Morphin grid to become his own Anti-life equation and erased and re-wrote infinite timelines and universes on a MULTIVERSAL scale just so he could become a hero again.
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no. rion mortally wounded True Form Darkseid (“the death of the New Gods”) a domino effect was created which could destroy the DC multiverse. equally destructive domino effects could be caused by destroying certain planets. So not as extreme as it looks in the video. True Form Darkseid existed in 52 (not new 52) and was destroyed in it.
Lmao yall overrated this dude to much that crazy😭 Im not agree with Bob on this one when he said superman beat darkseid just because he's the good guy🤦🏻♂️ I mean 1 time ok but bru superman beat his ass everytime so how can you say its just a plot. The problem is his omega beam but physically superman is stronger its not because he slap him that mean he stronger. Except in new 52 where he was a beginning superman darkseid aint never put knock out superman.
He's strong ok but he's just a superman level And one of the "avatar" is the real darkseid or true form darkseid Because the true form darkseid was destined to get kill by orion its for that reason he kill him in final crisis So yea the "TrUe ForM DarKseId" is theorically the darkseid that orion rip is heart off.
And the "avatar" is use like a plot armor to reboot darkseid when he looked to weak its for that reason they just trow the true form now when he was introduced in 90s If we take is homologue thanos They clarified his story with the thanosi immediatelly after in a story arc But for darkseid its just a plot device
because True Form "darkseid" is a nonsense plot point to simply allow superman to keep whooping his ass for decades... bad writing considering he's a "new god" and in the new 52 has an actual name
@@Ben-xz3bo no that was said once decades ago, and since then darkseid has even said he himself does not like using avatars or clones, i think all the confusion comes from apokolips being a planet and a seperate universe all together, thus whenever he uses a boomtube, goes through it changes his size to fit in whatever area he is entering
Darkseid, " What do you mean the Batman has been spotted here ? My plans have once again been screwed ... " I always though that Darkseid gets bored every once in a while, and he slaps Superman around for a bit of sport. Cause how many other beings in the universe can take a hit from Big D and swing back. Watch the movie Superman/ Batman: Apocalypse. Check out the scene where Superman wakes up after D. knocks out Supergirl. Darkseid just Smiles and give Clark's cap a slight tug. Darkseid doesn't want to kill Superman, he want to F**K With him !
@@krispalermo8133 exactly. At least someone knows darkseid holds back on superman. If he can take on the anti monitor then superman should be lucky darkseid isnt angry or being serious for once.
It's about will between Batman and Darkseid. The thing that makes Batman awesome is the fact that beyond his hard trained skills he is just an ordinary human, but he is super capable. He is the epitome of mind over matter, that's the key to his character. People think these are the things that should weaken him, and I just don't get that 👑
I always liked the Justice League Unlimited explanation for Darkseid always winning where Superman always had to holdback anytime he encountered someone because he could kill them unintentionally, but Darkseid "You can take it, can't you big man..."
I’d like to see a video explain how certain characters met each other, like in Dark Knights Metal, Batman casually talks to Dream like they’ve been buddies for a long time. When did they meet or how often have they met?
I actually learned about Darkseid’s true self/form from a video by The Imaginary Axis. It was kind of crazy learning that true Darkseid can even fit into our three dimensional reality.
I love these and I appreciate that you go through the specifics of not just the history of a character, but what makes their abilities distinct from another, whom on paper would be described the same way. Just throwing this out there, but it would be really cool to see your take on Anton Arcane.
Grant Morrison has the talent to tell ingenious stories and concepts, unbelievably cryptic and obscure. Whenever I read anything by him, it's always a challenge. Sometimes it's very satisfying and other times it's just frustrating. I love him and hate him in equal measure.
You mentioned something I use to always bring up when people would compare Darkseid vs Thanos. He could never be as powerful as Thanos when Thanos fights Silver Surfer as an equal and Darkseid fights Superman as his equal. Glad you explained that though it only makes things more confusing. So there was pre new 52 Darksied who was equal to Supes and New 52 Darkseid who was equal to the entire JLA and now you have Darkseid equal to Anti-Monitor (which means equal to almost the entire DC universe).
Actually Trigon may be evil personified, but the true Darkseid (when you look into his character as a whole along with his entire history) simply put, is the literal platonic and archetypal concept of evil itself, and the being in which all malevolence comes from. Trigon and nearly every other evil being in DC is merely a by-product of Darkseid's existence.
@@monkeythehedgehog I watched that video and there are misconceptions present about both characters, especially Darkseid. One of the biggest is how he thinks that emanations are avatars, this is not the case at all, emanations are essentially imperfect fragments that come from the Fourth World in a way that's similar to a shadow. These emanations attatch themselves to realities, universes, timelines, continuities, and existences which become the versions of the Fourth World and their characters that we see in the multiverse (and a little bit beyond.) Avatars are created by the emanations to do their bidding, if any version of Darkseid says he doesn't like creating avatars, it's an emanation. Emanations do not appear to be consciously created by Darkseid, this also applies to every other New God along with Apokolips and New Genesis. I think you should look into the Imaginary Axis' videos on Darkseid for a better understanding of the character as he put months of research and effort into both videos and can explain him far better than I can. th-cam.com/video/9iEWTHzzCVg/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/fcJ8QmogoXY/w-d-xo.html
His new 52 origin sounds pretty cool but I think his original origin is far more interesting and way more personal to the character since it involves him interacting with his family more
I’m so confused, if the new 52 backstory of Darkseid is canon then how do they explain what the omega force is. If he just absorbed gods how did he obtain the omega force? The omega logos still show up on him it’s too iconic to get rid of but what does the omega force come from In the new 52
@@eternallyg I can't find the name of the comics where we see his new 52 origin for some reason (Would like to have the name) but from what I remember, he absorbed old gods power and later, obtained the omega force (read it long ago and I don't think they give an explanation of what the omega force in this one but they probably do in some others)
I've always stated this fact, Thanos needs the Infinity Gauntlet just to have powers Darkseid already has. They have a few similar mannerism and looks, but one is simply more Godly than the other👑
Bro what. This is the strongest version of darksied. The heart of the universe thanos beats him easily. Like not even a question. Same with AR thanos. Thanos with the infinity gauntlet is no where near his most powerful form. There’s many other marvel villains that would clap darlsied too
Also ur comparing movie thanos to peak comic book darlsied. Darkseid is going to be so much worse in the movies than thanos. Due to the fact that dc can’t make good movies, atleast Zach Snyder can’t. I hope they make him good but if Zach is the director I have no hope
@@lionelmessisburner7393 I'm only going with base form to my discussion, there are other points of dark side as well. Including true Darkseid, who is easily more powerful than any other version Thanos. Point is DC characters don't need a million amps, Marvel characters have about a hundred of them👑
@@DArtmanreignz he’s not tho. Heart of the universe thanos had the power of the one above all (most powerful thing in all of fiction) thanos would win EASILY
I see a time when a human tells a joke to Darkseid. It was by a man, whose one and ONLY motivation, was to make everyone laugh! When Darkseid realized this, he ACTUALLY gave this human his full and undivided attention...and he laughed!! "What do you want in return for such a wonderful gift?" "Nothing...laughter was the gift." Darkseid smiled!
The Omega Sanction might be the most messed up power a character could have. You beat your opponent for eternity. Making each life for them worse than the other. Damn. Just damn..
Darkseid is a bad and that’s why the few New God’s Issues about when Yuga Khan escapes the source wall are some of my favorite comics. Seeing Darkseid visibly terrified and trying to convince himself he was not scared after realizing Yuga was free and then turning around and running Away the moment Yuga-Khan arrived was priceless. As powerful as Darkseid is he was nothing compared to his father, even in the comic they say that Yuga-Khan was a far greater threat than Darkseid could ever hope to be. To powerful to be a recurring villain because nobody would ever have stood a chance against him, so they had to make him a dumbass and practically defeat himself by going back in the source.... then New 52 happened and they turned him into a little bitch.
Supervillain powers: Can mind control anyone, survive a universe exploding, shoot eye beams that erase you from existence Supervillain behavior: “I must punch Superman! Oh no! Superman punched me back!”
Great video Rob! But i have one question, when you said the only character who can defeat true form darkseid is true form highfather, couldn't Lucifer Morningstar or The Presence just delete evil itself? Sure it wouldnt make much sense, but is that possible?
Lucifer's presence shatters TF darkseid and the Presence accidentally erases the entire omniverse while talking to his son about their dysfunctional family.
Is not darkseid true form just a ultra big version of darkseid and he shrinks whenever he uses a boomtube because it can't contain such a being? Also the darkside is always an avatar is partially correct. The reason is that Darkside has stated that he prefer to do things himself rather than using avatars.
I like when you cover older villains/entities that while being around for years is hard to nail down where they stand as of this current moment, or essentially what they are canonically. With this being said how does current day darkseid compare to perpetua? Not necessarily only in terms of power(although this breakdown could be helpful to visualize things), but of his standing and significance now that someone like her exists. I've always seen him as the face of evil from when I first saw him in the animated superman show as as a kid, but with the introduction of like barbados, batman who laughs, and now perpetua you have beings that seemingly to their core are like twisted evil and they make darkseid actually look better. Like truth be told Rob I would rather be someone suffering under Darkseid that the batman who laughs or perpetua at this point.
I didn't even know that was a thing! The funny thing is, when I was looking it up, the reason given as to why he was defeated was essentially "because of the plot", lol.
@@yatharth7703 He tried to poison the Source but we later find out the Source was playing Darkseid all along and It brings back Orion to destroy Darkseid which leads to Final crisis
I can never accept the fact that Superman and The Flash required so much "power" relative to themselves to evade/defeat the Omega Beams, and Batman just "dodges" the beams
I've always found the "true" old gods idea interesting ; it's really just trying to ret-con what various writers have done into something that makes sense in the big picture and continuity, but in a way (and I think we all do this ) it's just always taking the power powerful feats as the baseline when talking about a character, the only "truth" is the highlest power level we've seen a character at rather than another approach where we look at the most recent incarnation as the canon character. The Beyonder in Marvel is a great example thats been all over the place is he orig secret wars (powerful) , SW2 (insane) , a bit of a cosmic cube, a inhuman mutant , or a member of a crazy powerful alien race ? which one is canon? I think you have to ask which one is canon in 2020
Darkseid true form thing seems like a cop out to justify his defeats. You could slap that on any New God if that's the case since Darkseid is one of them and has never been shown to be that much more than any of them. So Orion, Lightray, Miracle, and Barda must have "true forms". Yeah it was so say confirmed in Final Crisis, a story written by Grant Morrison who Rob even says in the video is known to do out there stuff with his comics. Before that comic DS wasn't some abstract concept or universal level entity let alone multiversal. The whole true form thing could be tacked on to anyone now tbh. True form Batman is the reason that Batman always wins is because his true self is always backing him up and one day when he really needs help he will give Batman access to power beyond that of mortals and even true form Darkseid will shudder at the thought of facing him. I mean considering Darkseid's established origins and status as a member of the New gods this whole true form thing doesn't make sense.
Is John Constantine gay in the comic like they made him in DC' s Legends of Tomorrow? Probably not,I would imagine because the CW be screwing up a lot lately.
In the movie sure. I wouldn't go around stating that as canon fact though. Side fact about true form Darkseid, if he leaves his pocket universe, the actual universe will be destroyed. I doubt he would fear Trigon. This is a stupidly op version of Darkseid...like universe punching superman.
@@ThatGuy-en2nn I'm a darkseid fanatic so I know....but with that said Trigon is and by all means on par with Darkseid, especially right now in Justice League Odyssey l, I was skeptical at first but I did my research...now I will say in the end Darkseid will always win because Darkseid IS.....but also I think he would just outsmart him to take the W
Hey Rob, can you explain: 1)Trigon 2)Mephisto 3)The Mother of Existence 4)Kang the Conqueror 5)Mogo the Living Planet 6)Crimson Dynamo (Valetin Shatalov) 7)Bat-Mite 8)Blue Beetle(Jaime Reyes) 9)Solomon Grundy 10)Etrigan 11)Hellboy 12)The Young Avengers 13)Judge Death 14)The Tick 15)The Mask 16)Hawkman & Hawkgirl 17)the Mandarin 18)Steel 19)The Eradicator 20)Cyborg Superman 21)Reptil 22)the Doom Patrol 23)The Key(DC) 24)Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) 25)Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter) What If scenarios: Darkseid gets a Cosmic Cube Darkseid invades Mega City One Ultra Man fights Homelander and The Seven Judge Death gets a Astral Regulator Judge Dredd meets Billy Butcher and The Boys Unicron battles Shuma-Gorath Mangog battles Doomsday All Might becomes Captain Universe Manchester Black & The Elite fight Homelander & The Seven Beyond Omega Level: Odin’s Doom(Ultimate Alliance Dr Doom) Chuck Norris
Defeating the Avatar of Darkseid is like tearing a picture of a diamond, where the diamond in the picture is True Form Darkseid. You won't tear the diamond, but you can tear the PICTURE of the diamond.
She didn’t defeat him either. They threw a couple of blows, she lasso’ed him and made him reveal the truth of his agenda and then God punished him for it.
I feel like you're not making a big enough point about how Boom Tubes work, how they affect power scaling, and so on. Some of these feats ARE true form Darkseid - anything that takes place in the 4th world is true form Darkseid. Anything that happens within a universe is boom tube darkseid, not an avatar.
@@darthsand1085 Yeah with prep time Batman is one of the most broken characters in DC comics....then theirs Constantine. I do wonder who has the better prep...I think Batman admitted constantine is just naturally great at on the double emergency clutch battles.
@@ItsButterBean1020 Trigon has fought the Presence to a standstill, forgive me for a lack of reference but the comic book where the battle occurs does exist, just google it.
Darkseid is like a zip file for all the evil in reality. When he died the file extracted but the hard-drive(The multiverse) was too small and the computer started on fire.
Ah yes, the one entity darkseid will never defeat: Plot
facts the only thing he cant defeat!
@@bigghago lol never lost. Show me a being that's beyond plot level and I'll show you true fear
Yeah thats comics lol.
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I love the fact that in a lot of depictions of Darkseid he fights with his hands behind his back and just uses his Omega Beams. It’s like he’s saying that he is so powerful he doesn’t even need to raise a fist. He doesn’t take his enemies seriously because to him they are ants.
that's badass.
enter homelander 😁
Sunny Bunny Did you just compare Darkseid to Homelander 😐
@@sunnybunny1137 smoke weed everydayydayydayyy
@@thrasherSZN Actually I kinda get it. Homelander is just lasering people like crazy instead of using his fists like Superman who holds back because he's usually not trying to kill.
Darkseid’s true form is that 60’s cartoon version that kept simping for Wonder Woman
😂
Interesting because Darkseid was first introduced in DC Comics in Jimmy Olsen #134 in November 1970
That was from 1980 or 81.
Lol! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ohhhh the inspector gadget voice one
Constantly referring to yourself in the 3rd-person is definitely an evil act.
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Best takeaway from the video: "Grant Morrison is crazy."
Grant Morrison IS crazy- would recommend his book 'Supergods' - a well written history of comics that gradually reveals how insane (in a good wau) he is
Well he is Scottish so it does track
Probably all the Chaos Magick he's into!!!
www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Darkseid-has-multiple-avatars-and-his-true-form-lies-beyond-the-DC-multiverse-Is-there-any-proof-to-this-How-powerful-is-he
Crazy Good!!!
Beyond Omega Level: Kool-Aid Man
Omnipresence, doesn't require food or drink, is liked by everyone, and can blow through walls with a single "Ohh Yeaaa"
Doesn’t require drink? He IS drink.
@@RobotHau5 why is there no resident evil remake 2 mod of him
"Oh Yeah"
@@clone150 yea, but he doesn't drink his own drink.
Batman still beats him with his Anti True form Darkseid spray
Or just get yuga khan
@@travisk6221 Yeah lol
Daddy dearest will spank Darkseid black and blue
Nah... prep time + Batman = beyond beyond beyond all known power/influence that ever has, every will exist/not exist... Batman's superpower is not being rich... it's winning against all odds, while still being humble to be called just a regular human
@P Pierre yes same thing
@P Pierre its "I am Batman" armor 😅
*"This isn't even my final form!!!!!"* - Some guy with blood-shot eyes, and the worst case of Eczema you've ever seen.
Orion mortally wounded True Form Darkseid. Superman defeated him with a song
@@Takao0815 did he put nickleback on repeat?
kalel of krypton no he put the new Lil Baby album on
@@Takao0815 after he got poisoned by the essence of bullet, rammed by the New God of Death and then Wonder Woman killed his new body.
@@Xo-3130 Fighting Orion does that to a person.
That’s always been my issue with the way DC writes Darksied. The only one who’s been able to write Darksied the way he should be written is Grant Morrison. He’s a metaphysical concept that’s beyond everyone in the DC universe and even his avatars are powerful enough to causally beat being such as the Specter, yet usually gets his ass kicked by the Justice League every other week and almost never wins. If DC wrote Darksied a little closer to the way Thanos is portrayed in Marvel comics, who has a damn good number of wins against Marvel heroes, Darksied would feel a lot more threatening against the DC universe
Hey at least in the snyderverse he made Superman his btch killed Aquaman, and got the anti life equation ! Lol but true he needs more W’s
Even when Thanos loses it's part of his plan!!!
Thanos is also banned from the realm of death because of his romantic relationship with literal death itself.
@@josepreciado2479 Cartoon Darkseid is better than the movie Darkseid.
@@josepreciado2479 Snyderverse is the worst thing to happen to DC. Now that we have moved on from that failure, perhaps we can start getting actual good DC movies. Majority of fans and critics know that BvS and JL were one of the worst superhero movies ever made. Only his deluded hardcore Snyder fans think otherwise.
Basically according to comics,
Highfather = Concept of every good thing that ever happens
Darkseid = concept of every bad thing that ever happens
When both fight it influences reality and existence
That Grant Morrison version. Jack Kirby version was different.
Judging from the clothes, I guess the assassin Uxas hired for his mom was Granny Goodness. Before she was granny. So I guess her name was just Goodness.
if Granny Goodness is ever in the DC movies, Danny Devito needs to play her.
Pretty sure Desaad is the one who killed both Darkseid's wife and his mom
Nope it was dessad I’ve read the Kirby run.
@@MrAtrophy well you got half of your wish
@@mmm6481 Now let's hope, Danny Devito's not too late.
For those who still don't understand The Imaginary Axis did a great video that explains Darkseid pretty well I recommend it.
'Darkseid is because everyone else isn't'
Thanos still whoop is ass
I agree. IA did an excellent job explaining TF Darkseid.
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Yup amazingly awesome
I love Darkseid and I hate how he's portrayed in comics and in animation. I guess it doesn't matter how powerful you are, you can't defeat the plot.
unathi qina plot is always the bane of a great villain.
I know is still no justice but the last JL MOVIE DID POSTRAY HIM AS A WREAKING BALL. KILLING EVERYONE LEFT TO RIGHT
Justice League Dark: Apokolips War portrayed him near perfectly. Sure he got beaten at the end but that's the fate of every villain. The way he tortured Superman was just, Ugh, exquisite
murcielago Batman that was more his wits than his power. He lost every 1on 1 fight he had in apokolips war
...is he portrayed anywhere else besides comics and animation?
"Uxas was not a prince, he was a farmer"
Me: uh ohhh we know how that ends *looks at thanos*
If he hadn’t killed the old Gods they would’ve decapitated him
I have no clue why I said that, I rlly forgot
I like how darkseid is literally so powerful that they basically have to reset the timeline every time he appears.
Darkseid not true form is already beyond omega level
Well, it depends
@@NP-zv4bf wdym
JZ he has many avatars, some are definitely beyond omega level, others get kicked around to make superman look strong
True
@@NP-zv4bf maybe... just maybe superman is also beyond omega level...keep in mind that according to manhattan everything in dc started with him since he's the first super hero! also there's no character that is consistent in comics but people just love to hate on superman. Like in one comic wonder woman fights ares and in another she gets injured by a bullet!
Hey rob, could you do
Beyond Omega Level: Trigon
Beyond Omega Level: Lord Drakkon
Thats alot of omega
Lord drakkon is fucking mad
sexy obama didn’t he infinite erase universe and rewrote reality
@@dusodystopia Actually he entered the Morphin grid to become his own Anti-life equation and erased and re-wrote infinite timelines and universes on a MULTIVERSAL scale just so he could become a hero again.
Just Some Pony With a Mustache ohhhhh that sounds way cooler tbh
Darkseid went from being a poor farmer to a freaking god. Mad respect!!
Beyond Omega level: Animal Man
I have no idea how many times I’ve asked for this, please dude
Yea, if Storm can be, he can be.
Buddy Baker is a BADASS!!
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Beyond omega level darkseid:
First picture:
literally darkseid with the omega symbol on his chest.
Well played.
Reasons why I keep saying Darkseid is ridiculously strong. He's the God Dr.Doom of DC
no. rion mortally wounded True Form Darkseid (“the death of the New Gods”) a domino effect was created which could destroy the DC multiverse. equally destructive domino effects could be caused by destroying certain planets.
So not as extreme as it looks in the video. True Form Darkseid existed in 52 (not new 52) and was destroyed in it.
Lmao yall overrated this dude to much that crazy😭
Im not agree with Bob on this one when he said superman beat darkseid just because he's the good guy🤦🏻♂️
I mean 1 time ok but bru superman beat his ass everytime so how can you say its just a plot. The problem is his omega beam but physically superman is stronger its not because he slap him that mean he stronger.
Except in new 52 where he was a beginning superman darkseid aint never put knock out superman.
He's strong ok but he's just a superman level
And one of the "avatar" is the real darkseid or true form darkseid
Because the true form darkseid was destined to get kill by orion its for that reason he kill him in final crisis
So yea the "TrUe ForM DarKseId" is theorically the darkseid that orion rip is heart off.
And the "avatar" is use like a plot armor to reboot darkseid when he looked to weak its for that reason they just trow the true form now when he was introduced in 90s
If we take is homologue thanos
They clarified his story with the thanosi immediatelly after in a story arc
But for darkseid its just a plot device
Remember when DCU/MU kept power levels some what sane??? lol
Comics Explained - "Is true form Darkseid beyond omega level?"
Short answer = yes. Long answer = A 10 minute / 3 second video.
Okay, Rob, but Grant Morrison is one of my favorite writers haha
He is nuts but I love it
Video title: True Form Darkseid
Video content: I'm going to talk about the facsimile of Darkseid, not the true form
Not much to say as it’s all the same. True God DS is immortal. That’s all there is to say. He encapsulates all power
because True Form "darkseid" is a nonsense plot point to simply allow superman to keep whooping his ass for decades... bad writing considering he's a "new god" and in the new 52 has an actual name
@@sangun123 what's it is his actual name. Is it actually uxas?
Isn’t the normal darkseid we are just a avatar
@@Ben-xz3bo no that was said once decades ago, and since then darkseid has even said he himself does not like using avatars or clones, i think all the confusion comes from apokolips being a planet and a seperate universe all together, thus whenever he uses a boomtube, goes through it changes his size to fit in whatever area he is entering
meanwhile Batman fans: what You mean only High-father can defeat true form Darkseid, what about Batman with enough preptime
Darkseid, " What do you mean the Batman has been spotted here ?
My plans have once again been screwed ... "
I always though that Darkseid gets bored every once in a while, and he slaps Superman around for a bit of sport. Cause how many other beings in the universe can take a hit from Big D and swing back.
Watch the movie Superman/ Batman: Apocalypse.
Check out the scene where Superman wakes up after D. knocks out Supergirl.
Darkseid just Smiles and give Clark's cap a slight tug.
Darkseid doesn't want to kill Superman, he want to F**K With him !
I mean, they're not wrong. Plot armor defeats all.
@@krispalermo8133 exactly. At least someone knows darkseid holds back on superman. If he can take on the anti monitor then superman should be lucky darkseid isnt angry or being serious for once.
Radion bullet
It's about will between Batman and Darkseid. The thing that makes Batman awesome is the fact that beyond his hard trained skills he is just an ordinary human, but he is super capable. He is the epitome of mind over matter, that's the key to his character. People think these are the things that should weaken him, and I just don't get that 👑
I always liked the Justice League Unlimited explanation for Darkseid always winning where Superman always had to holdback anytime he encountered someone because he could kill them unintentionally, but Darkseid "You can take it, can't you big man..."
Beyond omega level: How fast i click at Rob's video
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@@mehdidahalani yo
+1
Beyond Omega Level: Grant Morrison's weirdness
Darkseid: I am entropy. I am death. I am Darkseid.
Trigon: I am unimpressed.
True form Darkseid: behind you b!tch
I’d like to see a video explain how certain characters met each other, like in Dark Knights Metal, Batman casually talks to Dream like they’ve been buddies for a long time. When did they meet or how often have they met?
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Beyond Omega level: Decreator
Beyond Omega level: Takion
Beyond Omega level: Elders of the Universe
Beyond Omega level: Exitar the executioner
Oooo takion sounds cool
@@Yordi.i.i Yeah he's a New god
@Cuckold Of Wallstreet He's actually already done one lol
I got the perfect counter for Darkseid... Grant Morrison.
I actually learned about Darkseid’s true self/form from a video by The Imaginary Axis. It was kind of crazy learning that true Darkseid can even fit into our three dimensional reality.
Love The Imaginary Axis's work, too. Same with Webcam Parrot.
John Smith I need more context to how a three dimensional being such as Superman can interact with true form Darkseid
Is that the same guy who tried to say hulk has a rage limit because normal humans do?
@@ianharrison5758 Yes, as well as how Fast Flash truly is
That's not cannon anymore. They retconned the whole avatar thing with real darkseid existing in another dimension.
Finally, you covered Darkseid, my favorite. I mean folks don't understand just how powerful this dude is, its quite scary...👊🏾
Bless jack Kirby, he is king for a reason. His concepts and creations are being used still by both dc and marvel for how grand it is
"I am many things Kal-el, you couldn't begin to imagine half of them"
Just watched all the DC animated movies so I couldn’t have stumbled upon this at better time. Thanks for the good content as always
I love these and I appreciate that you go through the specifics of not just the history of a character, but what makes their abilities distinct from another, whom on paper would be described the same way. Just throwing this out there, but it would be really cool to see your take on Anton Arcane.
Comics Explained & Variant Comics are two of go to source for Comics.
Ah yes, the powerful omega beam. Can hurt aliens and cosmic beings, but somehow can't hit a depressed man in a bat costume.
Because...he is Batman
Batmans Plot armor is omnipotent level
Grant Morrison has the talent to tell ingenious stories and concepts, unbelievably cryptic and obscure. Whenever I read anything by him, it's always a challenge. Sometimes it's very satisfying and other times it's just frustrating. I love him and hate him in equal measure.
You mentioned something I use to always bring up when people would compare Darkseid vs Thanos. He could never be as powerful as Thanos when Thanos fights Silver Surfer as an equal and Darkseid fights Superman as his equal. Glad you explained that though it only makes things more confusing. So there was pre new 52 Darksied who was equal to Supes and New 52 Darkseid who was equal to the entire JLA and now you have Darkseid equal to Anti-Monitor (which means equal to almost the entire DC universe).
But new Anti-Monitor is not orginal Anti-Monitor. And orginal Anti-Monitor need to absorb antimatter to go above base bronze age Superman level
I'm more a marvel fan but Darksiders stronger
Rob: Darkseid represents all evil
Trigon: Am I a joke to you?
Actually Trigon may be evil personified, but the true Darkseid (when you look into his character as a whole along with his entire history) simply put, is the literal platonic and archetypal concept of evil itself, and the being in which all malevolence comes from. Trigon and nearly every other evil being in DC is merely a by-product of Darkseid's existence.
Bryce Ball watch this whole video bro. I used to to think darkseid was the worst til i saw this
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@@monkeythehedgehog I watched that video and there are misconceptions present about both characters, especially Darkseid. One of the biggest is how he thinks that emanations are avatars, this is not the case at all, emanations are essentially imperfect fragments that come from the Fourth World in a way that's similar to a shadow. These emanations attatch themselves to realities, universes, timelines, continuities, and existences which become the versions of the Fourth World and their characters that we see in the multiverse (and a little bit beyond.) Avatars are created by the emanations to do their bidding, if any version of Darkseid says he doesn't like creating avatars, it's an emanation. Emanations do not appear to be consciously created by Darkseid, this also applies to every other New God along with Apokolips and New Genesis. I think you should look into the Imaginary Axis' videos on Darkseid for a better understanding of the character as he put months of research and effort into both videos and can explain him far better than I can.
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3:02 I kept hearing it as "omega beans" instead of "omega beams"
His new 52 origin sounds pretty cool but I think his original origin is far more interesting and way more personal to the character since it involves him interacting with his family more
I’m so confused, if the new 52 backstory of Darkseid is canon then how do they explain what the omega force is. If he just absorbed gods how did he obtain the omega force? The omega logos still show up on him it’s too iconic to get rid of but what does the omega force come from In the new 52
@@eternallyg I can't find the name of the comics where we see his new 52 origin for some reason (Would like to have the name) but from what I remember, he absorbed old gods power and later, obtained the omega force (read it long ago and I don't think they give an explanation of what the omega force in this one but they probably do in some others)
Thank you, you wonderful man. For someone who doesn't have the money to buy them, it is great to have it told.
His weakness: music
Lol true. Superman sang his ass to death!
I bet it was because Superman sounded like a dying cat on cocaine
I heard if u play wap darkseid gets caught in the twerk sanction
@@umbraheart1 Here's a like for making me chuckle. Keep the change.
I've always stated this fact, Thanos needs the Infinity Gauntlet just to have powers Darkseid already has. They have a few similar mannerism and looks, but one is simply more Godly than the other👑
Bro what. This is the strongest version of darksied. The heart of the universe thanos beats him easily. Like not even a question. Same with AR thanos. Thanos with the infinity gauntlet is no where near his most powerful form. There’s many other marvel villains that would clap darlsied too
Also ur comparing movie thanos to peak comic book darlsied. Darkseid is going to be so much worse in the movies than thanos. Due to the fact that dc can’t make good movies, atleast Zach Snyder can’t. I hope they make him good but if Zach is the director I have no hope
@@lionelmessisburner7393 I'm only going with base form to my discussion, there are other points of dark side as well. Including true Darkseid, who is easily more powerful than any other version Thanos. Point is DC characters don't need a million amps, Marvel characters have about a hundred of them👑
@@DArtmanreignz he’s not tho. Heart of the universe thanos had the power of the one above all (most powerful thing in all of fiction) thanos would win EASILY
@@coin4898 he just is. It’s literally a fact. He has unlimited power
I see a time when a human tells a joke to Darkseid. It was by a man, whose one and ONLY motivation, was to make everyone laugh! When Darkseid realized this, he ACTUALLY gave this human his full and undivided attention...and he laughed!!
"What do you want in return for such a wonderful gift?"
"Nothing...laughter was the gift."
Darkseid smiled!
God, I just love that image of Darkseid flexin while sendin the heroes flyin and destroyin everythin! Too hard!
Check out the imaginary axis, there is no more complete breakdown of this character on TH-cam. But nice vid, Rob👍🏼
The Omega Sanction might be the most messed up power a character could have. You beat your opponent for eternity. Making each life for them worse than the other. Damn. Just damn..
The guy who forced Batman to use guns
That is why I like your videos so much Rob is cause you flesh out details and go into a history instead of just jumping to
"He can do it all gg ez"
Darkseid *EXIST*
Galactus:Well hello,Your planet is looks delicious so go away.
This just a joke
Beyond Omega Level: Resurrection Man
Beyond Omega Level: Mazahs
Darkseid is a bad and that’s why the few New God’s Issues about when Yuga Khan escapes the source wall are some of my favorite comics. Seeing Darkseid visibly terrified and trying to convince himself he was not scared after realizing Yuga was free and then turning around and running Away the moment Yuga-Khan arrived was priceless. As powerful as Darkseid is he was nothing compared to his father, even in the comic they say that Yuga-Khan was a far greater threat than Darkseid could ever hope to be. To powerful to be a recurring villain because nobody would ever have stood a chance against him, so they had to make him a dumbass and practically defeat himself by going back in the source.... then New 52 happened and they turned him into a little bitch.
How about trigon?
If anyone wants to know more about true form darkseid and new gods in general then I highly recommend The Imaginary Axis's video
Yeah he put more details about Darkseid
Saw the video and it's over exaggerated and not accurate
@@kcopara1 yup. He makes a bunch of straw man arguments and tries to tie real life to comics
That music at the end---so relaxing.
8:20 - LMAO
Classic Rob.
Grats on 2M - glad to say I was fan #400k, or so...
Actually the one who fought the anti-monitor was actually true form darkseid himself
Exactly
Bro I was just about to suggest that in my comment. But it seems you beat me to it.
Where's the proof?
He lost to Anti-Monitor as well.
@@teipsum4887 Darkseid war
Supervillain powers: Can mind control anyone, survive a universe exploding, shoot eye beams that erase you from existence
Supervillain behavior: “I must punch Superman! Oh no! Superman punched me back!”
Darkseid is an evil but badass DC Comics character.
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Muhammad arif you can say this again.
"Grant Morrison is crazy and that is what it comes down to." lmao the video was worth it for that truth bomb
The track at the end of the video has me vibing crazy. Love your videos Rob
Great video Rob! But i have one question, when you said the only character who can defeat true form darkseid is true form highfather, couldn't Lucifer Morningstar or The Presence just delete evil itself? Sure it wouldnt make much sense, but is that possible?
Plus Orion left him near death and Darkseid killed him by sending the bullet through time
Yes, they can. Darkseid came from the Source, which is the consciousness of the Presence.
Lucifer's presence shatters TF darkseid and the Presence accidentally erases the entire omniverse while talking to his son about their dysfunctional family.
Of course they can but I'm guessing he might be talking about the only new god that can defeat Darkseid
Yuga khan and trigon beats true form ds
Is not darkseid true form just a ultra big version of darkseid and he shrinks whenever he uses a boomtube because it can't contain such a being? Also the darkside is always an avatar is partially correct. The reason is that Darkside has stated that he prefer to do things himself rather than using avatars.
I like when you cover older villains/entities that while being around for years is hard to nail down where they stand as of this current moment, or essentially what they are canonically. With this being said how does current day darkseid compare to perpetua? Not necessarily only in terms of power(although this breakdown could be helpful to visualize things), but of his standing and significance now that someone like her exists.
I've always seen him as the face of evil from when I first saw him in the animated superman show as as a kid, but with the introduction of like barbados, batman who laughs, and now perpetua you have beings that seemingly to their core are like twisted evil and they make darkseid actually look better. Like truth be told Rob I would rather be someone suffering under Darkseid that the batman who laughs or perpetua at this point.
Outro music is straight chill!
Dude I listen to your videos all day when I'm at work. Keep it up please, this content is amazing.
Do a comics explained on Kick-Ass comic series
If i'm not mistaken soul fire darkseid is more powerful than true form darkseid right?
I didn't even know that was a thing! The funny thing is, when I was looking it up, the reason given as to why he was defeated was essentially "because of the plot", lol.
Yes he's the most powerful version of Darkseid
If I remember correctly Soulfire darkseid was poising the source so he should be stronger than TFD
@@yatharth7703 He tried to poison the Source but we later find out the Source was playing Darkseid all along and It brings back Orion to destroy Darkseid which leads to Final crisis
CHEESE BURGER FREDDY thanks for the correction! My memory seems to be weakening lol 😂
Beyond Omega Level: John Wick 👌
Omega pencils
Some funky music there at the end Rob 👍🏽
I can never accept the fact that Superman and The Flash required so much "power" relative to themselves to evade/defeat the Omega Beams, and Batman just "dodges" the beams
I've always found the "true" old gods idea interesting ; it's really just trying to ret-con what various writers have done into something that makes sense in the big picture and continuity, but in a way (and I think we all do this ) it's just always taking the power powerful feats as the baseline when talking about a character, the only "truth" is the highlest power level we've seen a character at rather than another approach where we look at the most recent incarnation as the canon character. The Beyonder in Marvel is a great example thats been all over the place is he orig secret wars (powerful) , SW2 (insane) , a bit of a cosmic cube, a inhuman mutant , or a member of a crazy powerful alien race ? which one is canon? I think you have to ask which one is canon in 2020
Darkseid true form thing seems like a cop out to justify his defeats. You could slap that on any New God if that's the case since Darkseid is one of them and has never been shown to be that much more than any of them. So Orion, Lightray, Miracle, and Barda must have "true forms". Yeah it was so say confirmed in Final Crisis, a story written by Grant Morrison who Rob even says in the video is known to do out there stuff with his comics. Before that comic DS wasn't some abstract concept or universal level entity let alone multiversal. The whole true form thing could be tacked on to anyone now tbh. True form Batman is the reason that Batman always wins is because his true self is always backing him up and one day when he really needs help he will give Batman access to power beyond that of mortals and even true form Darkseid will shudder at the thought of facing him.
I mean considering Darkseid's established origins and status as a member of the New gods this whole true form thing doesn't make sense.
It is a cop out Lols
Technically they were given by Kirby. Except it wasn't half assed just to justify Jobberseid losing to Batman
@@dio6856 when you say "they" you mean more than just DS having one? All the new gods were given one?
Darkseid has also admitted that although he can produce avatars he doesn't want to so he doesn't always do it consistently.
Beyond omega level: true form highfather
The Grant Morrison shade is legendary! 😂
man stumbled on this by chance...how crazy can one be about a comic book character. My brain went numb watching this.
How to kill: Enerjak(Archie Sonic)?
How to kill: Durge(Star Wars)?
How to kill: John Constantine(DC)?
Constantine is easy too, just shot him. The problem is keeping the @$$/-/0|_3 dead
Is John Constantine gay in the comic like they made him in DC' s Legends of Tomorrow? Probably not,I would imagine because the CW be screwing up a lot lately.
Enerjak? Do you think Rob reads AC?
@@faulk1372 In Vertigo's run he is bi
@@lohankarachay476 thank you, I did not know that. I always really liked the Keanu Reeves movie. Is that one pretty close to the comic?
The only thing darkseid fear is Trigon 😂😂😂 he wasn't ready for that smoke
In the movie sure. I wouldn't go around stating that as canon fact though. Side fact about true form Darkseid, if he leaves his pocket universe, the actual universe will be destroyed. I doubt he would fear Trigon. This is a stupidly op version of Darkseid...like universe punching superman.
@@ThatGuy-en2nn I suggest watching webcamparrot's Darkseid vs Trigon video.
@@ThatGuy-en2nn I'm a darkseid fanatic so I know....but with that said Trigon is and by all means on par with Darkseid, especially right now in Justice League Odyssey l, I was skeptical at first but I did my research...now I will say in the end Darkseid will always win because Darkseid IS.....but also I think he would just outsmart him to take the W
@@jeronbranon181 Sounds interesting. I'll have to give Justice League Oddessy a look.
@@herpderp5727 before i watched the vid i though yea trigon has no chance but after that i was like damnn..
Hey Rob, can you explain:
1)Trigon
2)Mephisto
3)The Mother of Existence
4)Kang the Conqueror
5)Mogo the Living Planet
6)Crimson Dynamo (Valetin Shatalov)
7)Bat-Mite
8)Blue Beetle(Jaime Reyes)
9)Solomon Grundy
10)Etrigan
11)Hellboy
12)The Young Avengers
13)Judge Death
14)The Tick
15)The Mask
16)Hawkman & Hawkgirl
17)the Mandarin
18)Steel
19)The Eradicator
20)Cyborg Superman
21)Reptil
22)the Doom Patrol
23)The Key(DC)
24)Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew)
25)Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter)
What If scenarios:
Darkseid gets a Cosmic Cube
Darkseid invades Mega City One
Ultra Man fights Homelander and The Seven
Judge Death gets a Astral Regulator
Judge Dredd meets Billy Butcher and The Boys
Unicron battles Shuma-Gorath
Mangog battles Doomsday
All Might becomes Captain Universe
Manchester Black & The Elite fight Homelander & The Seven
Beyond Omega Level:
Odin’s Doom(Ultimate Alliance Dr Doom)
Chuck Norris
Love the music at the end
Defeating the Avatar of Darkseid is like tearing a picture of a diamond, where the diamond in the picture is True Form Darkseid. You won't tear the diamond, but you can tear the PICTURE of the diamond.
Wonder Woman beat Darkseid lately with the power of love, friendship and rainbows...
You are leaving out the context in which it happened.
Is it the exact same as her defeating the Phantom stranger?
Darkseid is Eternal.
@@dio6856 Right. But The Presence is the one who removed The Phantom stranger.
She didn’t defeat him either. They threw a couple of blows, she lasso’ed him and made him reveal the truth of his agenda and then God punished him for it.
I feel like you're not making a big enough point about how Boom Tubes work, how they affect power scaling, and so on. Some of these feats ARE true form Darkseid - anything that takes place in the 4th world is true form Darkseid. Anything that happens within a universe is boom tube darkseid, not an avatar.
Not true
@@trappedcosmos well you sure proved me wrong with that rebuttal
4:40 with all that being said ,Batman still claps him every time 😂😂👎
Well Batman with prep is also an omega level threat
@@darthsand1085 Yeah with prep time Batman is one of the most broken characters in DC comics....then theirs Constantine. I do wonder who has the better prep...I think Batman admitted constantine is just naturally great at on the double emergency clutch battles.
@Gabriel Vinícius do Nascimento Thats what I said except the long way lol 😆
music at the end is fire
Dude I’ve been watching so much Flash on Netflix that I thought your picture for your profile was you wearing his mask. 😂😂
Beyond Omega Level: Magus
Beyond Omega Level: Impossible Man
Beyond Omega Level: Deweller-in-Darkness
Beyond Omega Level: Trigon
Beyond Omega Level: Storm
Beyond Omega Level: D'Spayre
Beyond Omega Level: Highfather
Beyond Omega Level: Nightmare
Beyond Omega Level: The Phantom Stranger
beyond omega level: animal vegetable mineral man 😂
Here come the thanos fanboys lol
Great video! Also you always have a great selection of outro music as well! 👍🏿👏🏿
And then Batman gained his respect.
Now i want a definitive true form darkseid vs trigon
Edit: since by technicalities they are both embodiments of evil
I’m pretty sure Trigon is stronger
James Burgess on the contrary id go for darkseid, cool fight id love a video on
Noobmaster69 Yobamosbenswolo Trigon was compared to an amped Spectre
The same Spectre solidly atomised Darkseid
@@ItsButterBean1020 When did that happen?
@@ItsButterBean1020 Trigon has fought the Presence to a standstill, forgive me for a lack of reference but the comic book where the battle occurs does exist, just google it.
Then why in the animated series Darkseid is weak as yamcha
Rob is mixing 52 Darkseid with classic Darkseid in this video, just so you know. Stupid on Rob's part since everyone is gonna get confused now.
Go watch the Imaginary Axis vid about Darkseid he explains it pretty well.
@@alissa6 technically Multiversity has gone on saying that the New52 Darkseid is a reincarnated Pre-New52 Darkseid.
Because the animated series depowered everyone but also in the time it was made Darkseid was suffering from a lot of witing inconsistencies.
@@lunarwaning Already did it was awesome 2 episodes
Oh boy, I see Darkseid, I click!
Heck yeah!
Darkseid is like a zip file for all the evil in reality.
When he died the file extracted but the hard-drive(The multiverse) was too small and the computer started on fire.
Have you done Captain Atom? Captain Atom gets weeeeeird man, but he's definitely been Beyond Omega Level at times.