Twelve Volt Conversion for Ford 9N or 2N Tractor, Easy Step-by-Step Tutorial and Wiring Instructions
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- Dan and Rachel show every step in the 12 volt conversion process on a Ford 9N tractor with a front mount distributor. These techniques apply to both Ford 9N and 2N tractors.
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I just want to say thank you Dan and Rachel. I just bought a 53' Jubilee and I'm gonna tear into the electrical tomorrow. Got a 12V conversion kit for it too. I would not have had the confidence to take it on if it wasn't for you two.
You guys are awesome. I appreciate the clear explanation for how and why you are doing what is needed for the conversion.
We just moved to Goodrich, MI, and have a small farm off Dutch Road.
We stopped by the Steiner store in Lennon, Mi, and boy were we disappointed in the rudeness of its sales staff.
My husband took a picture of me sitting in the store and the sales clerk said there's no taking photos inside the store! He further went on to say they signed legal documentation to prevent photos from being taken.
We were berated and made to feel shame... (We won't be going back there again, and they should have a sign that says no cameras allowed!). Shame on Steiner ...
The quality of your video sold me. The quality of what I received was equally impressive. Received the complete 12v kit 3 days from order placement. It was packed well. I had watched your video and planned to watch it again as I installed everything, but the full page color photos and clear diagrams included the awesome installation guide made that unnecessary. Very impressed high quality as-advertised kit that works beautifully. Highly recommend.
You all have no idea how much help you are. My dad and I are working on his 1952 Ford (9N?) tractor as a project. It’s literally our first ever project together and will probably be our last. Hes 80 and in failing health….and I’m 50. He’s starting to forget things and I’ve never known the first thing about tractors. These tutorial videos have been golden for us. There aren’t words that can express how happy I am that I discovered your your videos. They have allowed me to help him when otherwise I wouldn’t be able to. Thank you so much and please keep the videos coming.
FYI….your ability to teach this material and make it as clear and concise as you do is superior to anything I saw during my 13 years of higher education. Excellent work!
These are not just the best videos in the niche of old tractor repair but some of the best videos across all DIY genres. You should be proud of yourselves, and your understated confidence suggests that you are. Thank you.
Rachel. Great job, accompanied by my father, the mechanical teacher
Another great, and very well explained video Dan, and Rachel !
I love watching your videos for the way you teach!
I would like to see an outtake reel someday too!
Rachel rocks 😍
Another great job! Always fun to watch!
You both did a excellent job explaining everything, thanks
Your video are so informative really awesome .
I love watching a father and daughter team .
I so wish my daughter was interested in fixing and building things .
Great show Rachel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just some advice for anyone watching. The resistor was put on upside down. It will still function,but the wires have a tendency to touch the metal part (resistor) and it gets hot. Could burn your wires. Also put a meter on your new 12 volt coil. Too many of them have a resistance of 1.5 ohms and that is the same as a 6 volt coil. I personally like to find them with 3.0 ohms resistance.
great video very detailed thank you for all your hard work
Best how to I've seen in a long time!
Excellent explanations and visuals. You provide the reasoning behind each piece… what it does where it goes, what not to do and why. Very helpful. Well done!
Oh man. I remember when my dad bought a JD 40. Great tractor but the batter was below the gas tank. This means the steel tank was about an inch above the battery terminals. If you had a problem with the battery holder you would end up with the terminals potentially hitting the tank and starting a fire. He rebuilt the entire tractor but part of his update was switching to side terminals. I recall him doing something else for that but it's been too long. When upgrading, its worth taking a look and making changes to things that need improving.
Excellent tutorial. I bought a 9N yesterday and will change it to 12V soon.
Wow. Quite the coincidence to see this as I only discovered your fantastic channel a couple weeks ago and I am just about to do a 12V conversion on a 2N. A few thoughts:
1. The side of the ammeter that the coil was wired to will result in the ammeter indicating the number of amps out of the alternator rather than the number of amps into the battery. For example if the ammeter reads 20A, it will actually mean only about 16A is charging the battery since about 4A will be going to the coil. I prefer to see directly how much my battery is charging or discharging so I wire the coil (and headlights if the tractor has them) to the negative side of the ammeter instead. Either will work fine. The operator just needs to know how to interpret the reading depending how it's wired.
2. Some other commenters mentioned that running the starter on 12V will draw less current than running it on 6V. This is not accurate. The same starter (ie same resistance) at higher voltage will draw higher current (if the current was lower it would crank slower, not faster). However a 12V system can tolerate a lighter gauge (ie higher resistance) cable from battery to starter because of the higher voltage available to drive the current through the higher resistance. Despite the higher current, starter life will likely be prolonged simply due to easier starts (much less time spent cranking).
3. If you only use your tractor intermittently for short periods, you can get by quite nicely with a partial conversion. Just change to a 12V coil (2.5 ohm primary winding) and 0.5 ohm ballast resistor and disconnect the generator wire entirely. Then you can use a 12V battery (still positive ground). With a strong battery you should get several hours of operation before you need to plug it in to recharge. Think of it like turning your tractor into a plug-in hybrid. Use a deep cycle battery for longer battery life. If you only use your tractor for very short periods and park it outside you can also get away with permanently mounting a small solar battery maintainer to the hood to keep the battery charged. I operated like this for many years without issue. It's a very cheap/simple conversion to get the benefit of much easier starting IF you don't need to run your tractor for more than a couple hours at a time. It's obviously not as good as a complete 12V conversion including alternator, but I thought I would mention it for those where it may make sense.
Found it. Love your tutorials!
Great instructional video. I watched a second time. I ordered your premium conversion kit for my 2N from you. It should be here in a few days. Ready to make it happen. Thanks.
Great video!
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Really enjoy your videos
Started the 9N 12 volt conversion. Not going as planned. I thought a couple hours I'd have it knocked out. 🤪😂😂😂 Nope. I'll call it a small nightmare. Directions that came with the kit are useless so thank you two so much for this tutorial. Not going to go into details but worked on it 3 hours and I'm starting reassembly tomorrow. 👍
One suggestion. That ring terminal you used was the wrong size. Yellow terminals are for 12-10 AWG, Blue for 16-14 AWG, and Red for 22-18 AWG. Also, marine style, that have heat shrink are great for use on a tractor that may be out in the elements a lot. I enjoy your video and really love the Farmall Cub Encyclopedia. Keep up the good work..
Thank you for this...
I love it ! Great help to me
My 1948 Cub was converted to a 12 Volt. I did a whole brand new 12 volt harness!!
Great video!!!
Such a good upgrade to do. Those old generators were problematic. Especially after they get older
Been worked on many times
Excellent
Took 8 hours to do this conversion but 12 volt is worth it. The kit had two problems. (Note: I bought the kit elsewhere. Probably should've bought it here.) The instructions were/are worthless and the belt was/is too short. Took 8 hours because of problems with the tractor otherwise on a clean tractor should take an average Joe a couple hours. I won't go into all the problems but the tractor was the nightmare. 12 volt system 👍 with the instruction of this video 👍👍. Top notch! Thank you. 👍👍
Would love if you two were able to swap the steering box! I am hoping to do mine shortly, but really enjoy your videos and the detail put into them!
I want to take a minute to thank you for making these tutorial's , they were an immense help with getting my 9n switched over and gave me the confidence to get the job done.
I would also like to commend you on your stellar performance as a parts supplier, not only did you have exactly what i needed , but you got it shipped to me so fast( wife loves the cow tails by the way!😀)
You are a great example of what customer service is all about!
I am a loyal customer for life thks.
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I have a 2N converted to 12V. I also installed an electronic ignition !!
Great video!……. Thankyou…… Just became a new subscriber……..
I love all your tutorials I wish you had one that would show how to convert a GM alternator to A1 wire
Appreciate this.... Removing an old 12 volt conversion that has issues as i just ordered your premium conversion for my 2N today lol just so i know where im at with it
Excelente!
Love your videos & thanks for supporting the Vintage Tractor Community! I love the old equipment where it is easy to work on for the average person and doesn't require thousands of dollars of special electronic tools to do. Plus, working on the equipment fosters understanding and also grows the Human relationship when you can do it with a friend or family member. Thank You & Best Wishes!
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So awesome! I’ll be doing the conversion/restoration this year super helpful videos and website
Very informative video. Thank you. Would this kit also work on a Ford Jubilee?
You two work so well together. You're like one person with 4 hands! Thank you so much for this easy step-by-step simple to follow conversion. Nothing waa said about the starter going from 6 to 12 V. Twice the voltage means 1/2 the amps required. I'm thinking the brushes may last twice as long in service? Thank you..
from what I've read is the starters will work on either 6 or 12. no change out needed.
@@plainandsimple1 Ok thanks Roland, I wasn't sure. Just expressing my opinion. The only problem I think about is if the engine is hard starting & has to be cranked for longer periods of time. It might smoke the armature windings. If it starts reasonably good it shouldn't be an issue. Spinning over faster will negate rings & valves leaking, causing lower compression & poor starting.
Great video. One Q? - Where does the headlight wire get connected to the 12V system?
My 2N had a 12 volt conversion on it when it was purchased by my uncle....but he changed it back to 6 volts! I still have the parts....but I would probably need a new wiring harness.
Consult my manual hmmm wish I had one. Hahaha. Seriously though great video! Thanx.
Rachel, It's interesting that you mentioned the alternator and the header location, because you ride, right? Well this is probably Harley-Davidson's biggest engineering flaw. Burying the stator behind the flywheel inside the engine block, where it's prone to burn out.
Have you done a video showing the replacement of the rod coming from the push button to the starter buttom
You both are awesome! Would love to see a step by step on a 1950 Farmall H.
Hello Dan and Rachel !!
I have an 8NAN tractor and I would like to visit your workshop on my next trip to the USA !
It’s possible??
Where are you??
Already excited!!!!
U guys ROCK N u two R the BEST ON THE WEB AWESOME TEAM CANT BEAT A FAMILY THAT WORKS AS ONE
I'm wondering if you have a similar video for the H 6v or 12v conversion or harness?
Could you guys do a video on replacing a 9n press on camshaft gear, I have to fix one and have no clue on how to do it.
1-2-4-3 is also the firing order of the Ford Model T
do you have electronic ignition to replace the points?
Any advice on what battery to use on a 12volt converted 47 2N?
What do you do about the 6v starter. Aren’t you concerned about damaging the bendix?
very informative, I enjoy your videos
Will this work on a Ford 3n?
Are you still making videos we haven’t seen you in a while hope all is well with your channel hope to see sum new videos soon miss you and your Dad just curious
Does your kit align the alternator approprately. My dad bought a 9n this week and it has a 12v conversion done but the alignment for the alternator is way off. once it starts i can see the belt getting chucked quick. So i was wondering if your kit aligns it properly and keeps it from twisting.
What series of 12v battery do you need to buy for this?
Geart work
It's the coral ground and power is backwaqua will it still run
Great video! A couple of questions though. I've got a 39 9N that was previously converted to a 12 volt negative ground. When I was given the tractor, the wiring was in terrible shape. It had a dash mounted starter button that was frozen up, and a 3 wire alternator. One of the wires from the alternator went to a short lead back to the large terminal. The other wire went back towards the dash but wasn't connected to anything. The large wire went to the battery. The ignition switch has 3 posts but none of the wires were connected. There was a solenoid mounted on the back of the dash but was not connected to anything. I plan on replacing the starter button, the ammeter and the solenoid. Do you have any input on the correct wiring schematic? I've searched the internet but so far, haven't found a similar configuration. Any help would be appreciated. I am doing a semi-restoration on this tractor by repainting the body work, perhaps repainting the frame and engine and wheels. Thanks for all your videos, and thanks in advance for any advice.
when wired as this is on my 2n, it sparks at the key (on the inside of the engine bay). This was never an issue on the 6v system. Any thoughts as to why this may happen? it also turns over but does not start. I have not checked for spark yet, but I'm almost certain I do not have spark (I'll check that this week)
Is it bad on the old starters of the 2n 9n or 8n? I've seen videos saying never swap it out on that case alone. Because, there's no such thing a 12v starter for any of them? That 12v hits way to hard knocks teeth off or destroys the shaft of the starter?
How can u tell the dif from 6 to. 12 coil
861 Power master videos please
Can you tell me if afford model 841 Powermaster see no. 6724 has a live PTO
10:57 what kind of gasket are you using or did you make one, I’m having trouble with no connection coming throughout the solenoid
Feels like the end of it to push up against the rod
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If the coil pack wires are run wrong will my engine run
i would switch the amp gauge for a volt gauge.
Hello, I'm a 64-year-old farmer who recently purchased a small farm in Goodrich, Mi, off Dutch Road.
My wife and I stopped at the Steiner Tractor store for a look around and to purchase a front tractor emblem for my old 8n!
Inside the store, I took 1 photo of my wife sitting in a chair and the counter clerk scolded me saying, no taking of pictures in the store.
The counter clerk demeaned me in front of another customer, and my wife! I don't plan to return to Steiners or make further purchases from them!
Steiner Tractor should post signs that read: (PLEASE, NO CAMERAS ALLOWED!) to prevent degrading community customers.
(Occurred on Monday, July 17, 2023)
How much does it cost for parts to do the 6v to 12 volt conversion
Bonjour
hi i have a 1940 ford 9n followed all your steps to convert to 12 volts double checked all connctions tractor will not start any idea whats wrong thank you
So the starter doesn’t care if it is 6 or 12volt system?
My 9 n is converted to 12 v why is my resistor packs burns up
The starter should also be changed, supplying 12 volts to a 6 volt starter can damage the starter drive and ring gear. I have repaired many starters that have come in with bent shafts, broken teeth on drive from using 12 volt.
I did the 12v conversion. Y'all don't tell people in this video that the push button by the gear shifter could be bad. I replaced everything and tried to start the tractor. It wouldn't start. I took the new solenoid button back out and pushed it and she started right up. Looks like the button on the tractor next to the shifter is bad. How do you replace that and do you carry the part?
What’s the advantage over the old generator ?
Three things as I see them:
1) 12 V cranks the engine over faster for better/faster starting with less amperage. You could theoretically use smaller wire cables.
2) This alternator has a integral solid state voltage regulator that doesn't need adjusting like the 6 V one does. The old one was mechanical with points.
3) These parts are readily available. Not hard to find like the old 6 V ones.
There may be more advantages but those come to mind right off.
Oh! 12 V lights are typically brighter.
Hi do they floor boards for a 9n tractor ?
They put 8N running boards on this tractor. Some later 9N's had step plates.
Ya I dont know what is happening to mine but the last wire I hook up is the negative cable to the negative post on the battery and I get some pretty good sparks! The only thing that I can figure out is that the negative cable is attached to the back side of the dash plate, Im just wondering if that is aluminum. Im working on it 40 miles away from a computer, I did order your book and that wiring diagram is not working. maybe you can help with this problem?
Hi Brad, sparks would indicate that you have a direct short somewhere along your system. Please do not hook it up if it is sparking, this is a sign that something is hooked up wrong. Please schedule a call with one of our mechanics at this link for some one-on-one help: farmtractorrepair.com/collections/tech-support/products/schedule-a-phone-call-for-mechanical-help
What about the starter?
Nice conversion video however your ammeter connections really need to be corrected. you have the polarity correct but the loads (ignition, lights, etc.) should be connected to the negative with the alternator. The battery positive should be the only connection to positive side of the ammeter. Respectfully, Dennis, KV4WM, a US NAVY NUCLEAR SUBMARINE VETERAN and Amateur Radio Operator. BTW, grew up on the west side of Detroit, in the Warren-dale Area.
My 9 end has been concerted for years all a sudden my resistor pack burns up
Mmmkay. 6 hours into this conversion. Front part is done. Tackling electrical & dash tomorrow. 😂😂😂
Great info but do not start your tractor standing inside the rear you might think you checked for natural but shit happens and your left extremely hurt or DOA!, just a thought.
Bonjour je parle français je comprend l'anglais offrer le service en français pour les pièces je veux restaurer un N8
Et convertir en 12 volts et il me manque la résistance
You should sell parts on amazon.
Looking at picking up an early 9N. Doing some research before I bring it home. Dig the informative video on the conversion, bummed that your kits are overpriced significantly.
You get what you pay for with their kit. They really did get the best of the aftermarket components and put them in the kit. It's noticeable vs the cheaper kits I've bought
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Their videos are great but their customer service is terrible! I will not purchase any parts from them in the future, Bought a crank pully from them for my 9N tractor and it is machined to the under-size and will not go on. Emailed them twice and. never heard anything back from them!