I have two 1951 8N's and I installed a water temperature gauge in both because I was concerned about overheating - ( your video was helpful ) bot were running at 160 and after using brushhog did not get above 190 - reassuring info to me. Thank You ! I Probably wont do 180 deg thermostat unless a problem with system.
Thank you, i have an old Massey Ferguson that uses one of these. I had never seen one before and wasnt quite sure how you were supposed to place it . This really helped. Thanks again
Good info! That 180deg stat that you have is a Gates 33108. I put the exact same one in my '52 8N, and it works fine, even in 90 degree + TN. temperatures without overheating. Some tips - I drilled three 3/16" holes in the rim to allow for pre-open flow. You'll notice in the video that the 160deg stat has one hole. Recommended by Bruce Haynes. As far as insertion, heat the hose in a pot of warm water, then put some Dawn dish soap on the inside of the hose. Use a 1-1/2" PVC pipe @ one foot long, and grab the hose from the top and push down on the PVC end placed on the floor, pushing on the stat at the entrance of the hose. It's a five second job! You can put the hose clamp anywhere AFTER the stat in the hose to keep it from possibly migrating closer to the radiator.
Excellent video. I've run these for 55 years and I learned something from you today. If I may say one thing, buying 50/50 antifreeze is probably the biggest waste of money that you could do. Here in canada, it's the same price as concentrate. So I guess what I'm saying is you're paying just as much for half as much:-)
Yeah, I can understand that. Our water comes from a well and has lots of minerals in it that can cause cooling system issues. This is why I use a premix.
Great Video, Bruce's 75 tips have been invaluable for this first time ford 8n owner ! -------- One Question if you don't mind, I have the Temperature Gauge Adapter Pipe (steiner part# FDS2673) which holds the temerature guage sensor installed in the middle of the upper radiator hose. Would you place the thermostat on the block side or the radiator side of the Adaptor ? ---- any direction is much apprecated !
I think either way would be acceptable, but I would rather it on the radiator side of the sensor so in case the thermostat doesn't open properly you would see it in the sensor reading. I hope this helps and thanks for watching!
@@TheKiltedHomesteader Thank you for both replies, ironically I am picking up the head from the shop today and debated back and forth on whether to have them drill in the hole (based on your video) or keep the 46.00 "T" in place, ultimately choosing to keep the "T" adaptor at least for now as all the hoses, adaptor, t-stat & gauge (and engine) all have less than 50 hours on them. The engine was rebuild in Ohio and shipped to Arizona but always smoked, seemingly more than the expected break-in smoke & also heavier and heavier in white. the culprit appears to have been found in the head bolts not having thread seal applied, then water-jacket coolant blowing into the cylinder and out the exhaust. Had the head resurfaced and dunked just to be sure, putting it all back together now with a new fan shroud so fingers crossed.... the only thing I debate on yet is weather to replace the head bolts new, but I so far cannot justify the 6-8 bucks per replacement bolts (or even the .55cent sae option) without a valid reason ... error on the side of caution maybe ???
@@TheKiltedHomesteader I completely agree, have you ever experienced a problem solved by replacing a head bolt though? maybe a warped bolt, a few threads too long/short, becoming un-tempered? I don't mind spending the money, but just can't figure out if there is any reason or thing that would make it necessary ? Also for any readers out there, I am replacing the head gasket new, and spraying it with the copper spray.
it evens out the block temperatures thermal expansion when you run a thermostat. no thermostat you have cooler areas and hot areas. run your thermostat.
Good question. An engine will actually run more efficiently at a higher temperature however, when these were built, they often used alcohol as an antifreeze and above 160 degrees it would evaporate off faster. This is why they used a cooler thermostat back then. Again, a hotter engine (within reason) is actually a more efficient engine. I hope this helps!
I have two 1951 8N's and I installed a water temperature gauge in both because I was concerned about overheating - ( your video was helpful ) bot were running at 160 and after using brushhog did not get above 190 - reassuring info to me. Thank You ! I Probably wont do 180 deg thermostat unless a problem with system.
Thank you, i have an old Massey Ferguson that uses one of these. I had never seen one before and wasnt quite sure how you were supposed to place it . This really helped. Thanks again
Good info! That 180deg stat that you have is a Gates 33108. I put the exact same one in my '52 8N, and it works fine, even in 90 degree + TN. temperatures without overheating. Some tips - I drilled three 3/16" holes in the rim to allow for pre-open flow. You'll notice in the video that the 160deg stat has one hole. Recommended by Bruce Haynes. As far as insertion, heat the hose in a pot of warm water, then put some Dawn dish soap on the inside of the hose. Use a 1-1/2" PVC pipe @ one foot long, and grab the hose from the top and push down on the PVC end placed on the floor, pushing on the stat at the entrance of the hose. It's a five second job! You can put the hose clamp anywhere AFTER the stat in the hose to keep it from possibly migrating closer to the radiator.
Thank you for the information!
Excellent video. I've run these for 55 years and I learned something from you today. If I may say one thing, buying 50/50 antifreeze is probably the biggest waste of money that you could do. Here in canada, it's the same price as concentrate. So I guess what I'm saying is you're paying just as much for half as much:-)
Yeah, I can understand that. Our water comes from a well and has lots of minerals in it that can cause cooling system issues. This is why I use a premix.
helpful thank you never sure which end is up for this old 8N!
Thank you for the great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the video. Just took delivery of my 1942 9N and there does not seem to be a thermostat in there. Will be getting one for sure!
Great Video, Bruce's 75 tips have been invaluable for this first time ford 8n owner ! -------- One Question if you don't mind, I have the Temperature Gauge Adapter Pipe (steiner part# FDS2673) which holds the temerature guage sensor installed in the middle of the upper radiator hose. Would you place the thermostat on the block side or the radiator side of the Adaptor ? ---- any direction is much apprecated !
I think either way would be acceptable, but I would rather it on the radiator side of the sensor so in case the thermostat doesn't open properly you would see it in the sensor reading. I hope this helps and thanks for watching!
Also, if you ever thought about doing an in head sensor, I have an install video on that on my channel too.
@@TheKiltedHomesteader Thank you for both replies, ironically I am picking up the head from the shop today and debated back and forth on whether to have them drill in the hole (based on your video) or keep the 46.00 "T" in place, ultimately choosing to keep the "T" adaptor at least for now as all the hoses, adaptor, t-stat & gauge (and engine) all have less than 50 hours on them. The engine was rebuild in Ohio and shipped to Arizona but always smoked, seemingly more than the expected break-in smoke & also heavier and heavier in white. the culprit appears to have been found in the head bolts not having thread seal applied, then water-jacket coolant blowing into the cylinder and out the exhaust. Had the head resurfaced and dunked just to be sure, putting it all back together now with a new fan shroud so fingers crossed.... the only thing I debate on yet is weather to replace the head bolts new, but I so far cannot justify the 6-8 bucks per replacement bolts (or even the .55cent sae option) without a valid reason ... error on the side of caution maybe ???
@@dopofaz Things aren't cheap, but sometimes spending a little bit more now may save you time and frustration later. Thanks again for watching!
@@TheKiltedHomesteader I completely agree, have you ever experienced a problem solved by replacing a head bolt though? maybe a warped bolt, a few threads too long/short, becoming un-tempered? I don't mind spending the money, but just can't figure out if there is any reason or thing that would make it necessary ? Also for any readers out there, I am replacing the head gasket new, and spraying it with the copper spray.
it evens out the block temperatures thermal expansion when you run a thermostat. no thermostat you have cooler areas and hot areas. run your thermostat.
They have been running for 70 years why change the temperature they run at now? They run a fraction of the hours they used to.
Good question. An engine will actually run more efficiently at a higher temperature however, when these were built, they often used alcohol as an antifreeze and above 160 degrees it would evaporate off faster. This is why they used a cooler thermostat back then. Again, a hotter engine (within reason) is actually a more efficient engine. I hope this helps!
Excellent video! Can you make a video on how to install a temperature gauge? 🌡 Thank you
I did! Check out my channel.