I imagine Kirk trying that trick on Data. Data's response: "Ahhh. You state that everything he says is a lie, and then he states that he is lying, thus creating a logical paradox. Intriguing. A most stimulating example of the limits of formal systems. Thank you, Captain Kirk."
@@GiygasStarman these are alien androids, built well enough to surpass their creators entire species, there’s no reason for them to be any less equipped than data
@@theapexsurvivor9538 Off topic, I just got finished watching a terrible Bruce Willis movie called Apex, where he gets sent to an island to be the prey of some hunters.
Given the circumstances, acting illogically was the most logical course of action that would ensure the success of the goal (to disable the androids). This is not meant as a joke, but is said with all seriousness. There are times when an illogical or desperate act is the only solution that will allow survival and/or make success of the goal possible. Witness the episode 'Gallileo 7'.Venting and igniting the fuel was an act of desperation. But it was the only course that offered *any* hope of survival. Therefore, although it would normally be an illogical act, at the time it was the most logical act available.
Yes. Vaguely reminds me of my company’s HR department. They’re like robots that act like everything is fine and harmonious, but can’t understand issues, even from the whole team.
The best part of this entire thing is it's not improvised. You'd think they would've basically gone in saying, "Be as illogical as possible and play along." But no. Kirk is pointing to cue specific actions. They planned this. In great detail. As in sat around and talked about every last action in this scene. And that amuses me to no end.
Too bad it can't endlessly amuse you though. In reality you have your own psychological limits to how much this can amuse you - following suit with the androids and humans, you should be more forthcoming about your mortal limitations.
midinerd Too bad you don’t realize that they were quoting Mr. Spock when he told Dr. McCoy: “The fact that my internal arrangement differs from yours, Doctor, amuses me to no end.”
No, no. He wasn't breaking character. It's Spock who's trying not to have such an undignified outburst of emotions when contemplating such an absurd idea. Although it doesn't quite translate well, this is probably what passes for the world's oldest and funniest joke on Vulcan.
The sad irony is that such a thing is realistic. I myself have great liked one twin while intensely disliking there identical other. A point which rather forcefully drove home that their similarities were purely physical...psychologically however, they were VASTLY different.
Never had romantic engagement with a pair of twins, eh lad? Take heed: *don't;* they cray-cray. Very much a poisoned apple you'll nay but nibble and pay a heavy price.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers...which smell bad." It's Spock's face as he says that last part that makes it hilarious. :)
That's because McCoy is gay .. in the episode with Gary Seven he gave Seven the big eye exclaiming "totally perfect body!". Scotty was just acting the part.
You can just SEE the pure child-like JOY on each of their faces, as they're being given the opportunity to act, TRULY Act, their hearts out. AND to be silly and comical about it. I would PAY MONEY to see the blooper reels of this episode. :-)
A meadow is an open habitat, or field, vegetated by grass and other non-woody plants. They attract a multitude of wildlife and support flora and fauna that could not thrive in other habitats to compare logic to a bird in a meadow is to say logic is not logical to use, witch is a contradiction at its deepest possible level for an android.
IT's so natural, and under-played, it's hardly noticed. When Harry "hits the ball" and everyone else is "reeling" from the explosion, Spock joins the crowd while looking Up and Out as if following the ball with his eyes. Beautiful!!
What really did the androids in was the realization that Scotty survived this long in a red uniform only to die of happiness. It was such a big paradox that it took some time to settle in.
Did you ever read the book "Redshirts" by John Scalzi? In the novel, the redshirts discover their reality is under the periodic influence of a badly written tv show from the past. The redshirts kidnap one of the virtually immortal bridge crew to use the narrative magic to confront the show's writers.
You know, I’ve never really thought about it before, but if you found someone who’d never heard of Star Trek and showed them this, it might well be one of the weirdest out of context scenes in the whole series.
I love how, after the explosion, Kirk asks Norman, "Are you all right?' It's just such a wonderfully absurd moment. I mean it makes sense. There was an explosion. It's reasonable to expect that Norman could have been damaged.
Love that Spock allows himself to emote with his face and voice about 3% more than usual in this one scene. Especially while he's explaining logic to Norman.
This was seriously the best and silliest thing, and it's such a shame that no modern sci-fi (particularly star trek these days) would do something this inventive
That's because the writers of today's Star Trek have done entirely too many drugs, melted their "brains", and are not not much better off than vegetables. No imagination today. Re hash everything from before.
To anyone who designs thinking computers: you godda watch out for those situations in which the contemplation of a simple contradiction triggers an infinite loop that causes the CPU to burn itself up from excessive clock cycle usage. This is a serious, and chronic, design flaw.
If you’re going to spell the way you talk, at least spell the word correctly. Which. Not pronouncing words of that kind correctly sounds like baby talk. Look it up in a really good dictionary. Most of them provide diacritical markings. If you know how to read them.
My favorite parts of this are Bones and Scotty doing the anime girl pose or whatever it is with the finger, as well as how flamboyantly Kirk waves his hands to get everyone to stop laughing.
Hands down one of my favorite all time scenes in TOS. Kirk being buried by tribbles and then constantly getting bonked in the head by the rest being tossed out by Sisko and Dax is among the others.
If Kirk had encountered the Borg, I’m convinced he would have found a way to confuse them into killing themselves, the man’s got an extremely specific talent in that regard.
A very Happy 90th Birthday William Shatner. Notre-Dame-de-Grâce, Montreal, Quebec. March 22, 1931 Born in Canada, But a U.S. treasure. Your legacy is worldwide. Thanks Tiberius..
The best moment in Star Trek came in this episode: Chekov: I think we're in a lot of trouble. Kirk: That's VERY helpful, Mr. Chekov. Bones? McCoy: Chekov's right. We ARE in a lot of trouble. Kirk: *sigh* Spock? And if you say we're in a lot of trouble... Spock: We are. Kirk: o_O
I need a fic where they practice this, LOL also the fact that Spock actually be a part of it... I mean who on Earth could convince him to act so.. illogically, XD (I have an idea but I honestly need a fic for it.)
Well, in this case, it was completely in character for Spock to act illogical. He wanted to return to the ship and the only way to disable the robots is to be illogical, so thus, it is completely logical for him to be illogical. It why I love these tidbits, since it allows more depth to a character, be it unintentional or not.
+Serenity2Witchs yes, but on the other hand, remember in Galileo Seven when he act illogically and got tease by Jim afterwards, I don't believe he would willingly do that when Jim's present, unless someone manage to convinced him (okay I'm all for Jim somehow convinced Spock to be part of it, LOL )
Well, as Spock pointed out at the end of Galileo Seven, only a desperate act had any chance to gain the Enterprise's attention, therefore it was entirely logical.
Think about what Spock says in _The Galileo Seven_ and process what that means in this situation. _The most logical possible solution was an emotional outburst_ . If it becomes logical to behave illogically, then illogic is only logical. Even more than that, _only illogic is logical_ . I imagine being in such a situation where illogic is the only logical course of action, would be very liberating for a Vulcan, once they've parsed it. If I was writing a Vulcan society, I would create a final test of Sarek's teachings which requires such a situation -- a situation where the only possible logical path is to engage in illogical behavior -- in order to sort those who really get the spirit of his teachings and those simply following out of dogma. Those Vulcans who really *understand* Sarek would be liberated, perhaps acting out their greatest and deepest fantasy, while lesser, more dogmatic minds would simply be confused, stymied or frustrated and would not know when the time had come to relax their control.
It gets even funnier when you think over how easily the Enterprise crew pwned the androids. The androids have no idea what makes humans tick. Their only point of reference was Harry Mudd, who's kind of an idiot. Just act like a bunch of theater kids who've had a ton of coffee, and the androids drop like flies. It's good that Kirk and Company stopped them when they did, but the androids' plan to take over humanity would never have worked.
Ahhh...they don't make 'em like this anymore !!! My favorite Scotty quote "The more they overtake the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain !!"
I've always thought that a part of Spock really enjoyed having the opportunity to act completely illogically. It was chance to cut loose for a bit and do and say things that he never usually would, and he could do it for completely logical reasons that any Vulcan would agree made sense at the time.
I noticed that S1 is all about Kirk / Spock/ McCoy trio. However all other main crew including Uhura, Chekov, Scotty, Sulu became an important character in second season. S2 feels like they are actually a team.
Once again, Star Trek the Original series predicts the future asthe bridge crew use a distributed Denial iof Service attack against Norman the android.
I imagine Kirk trying that trick on Data. Data's response: "Ahhh. You state that everything he says is a lie, and then he states that he is lying, thus creating a logical paradox. Intriguing. A most stimulating example of the limits of formal systems. Thank you, Captain Kirk."
That is exactly what Mr. Data would have said. My congratulations!
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Well, sure... Isn't Next Gen like a 100 years after TOS? Tech-wise, Data should be much better equipped for these, uh, situations.
Kirk: Mr Data, you'd make a perfect vulcan.
Data: I hope not.
I imagine Data would be capable of outwitting the Mudd Androids on his own.
@@GiygasStarman these are alien androids, built well enough to surpass their creators entire species, there’s no reason for them to be any less equipped than data
"Scotty's dead. He had too much happiness, but now he's happier he's dead" OMG LOL
*after Scotty dies* Kirk: "Spock, bring out the explosive..." Scotty: * gets up* EXPLOSIVES!!!!!!😂😂😂😂
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Scotty was Classic. He was funny.
“Let us hear it for our poor dead friend!”
“Bwaahahahahaha!”
Now give me a big WTF!
Apparently in the Starfleet Academy, performance art is a unit with basically free credit points and everyone takes it to boost their grades
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It's the Kobayashi Nanoo test they learned from Mork.
The Performing Arts division of Starfleet Academy was founded by Commodore Del Close.
Given how often Starfleet encounter dumb machines, I'd argue that performance art is treated as a form of unarmed combat...
@@theapexsurvivor9538 Off topic, I just got finished watching a terrible Bruce Willis movie called Apex, where he gets sent to an island to be the prey of some hunters.
There's just something .... priceless about seeing Spock act in a deliberately illogical fashion.
7 yrs wowza
And he did it mosr logically too.
Given the circumstances, acting illogically was the most logical course of action that would ensure the success of the goal (to disable the androids). This is not meant as a joke, but is said with all seriousness.
There are times when an illogical or desperate act is the only solution that will allow survival and/or make success of the goal possible. Witness the episode 'Gallileo 7'.Venting and igniting the fuel was an act of desperation. But it was the only course that offered *any* hope of survival. Therefore, although it would normally be an illogical act, at the time it was the most logical act available.
His illogical actions were actually...quite logical given the circumstances.
It was... most fascinating.
Only Kirk could think of destroying androids by trolling them
The original android troll
He didn't troll them. He pwned them.
By using the Liar's Paradox.
Kirk never met an AI he couldn't talk into killing itself. Move over, John Conner, Jim Kirk is here to handle Skynet properly.
And with star trek Picard, we are going to see an entire series that could have just been ended by Kirk giving a speech:P
You can tell that both the characters and the actors were having waaay too much fun here.
Roger C. Carmel was born to play Harry Mudd!
Kind of amusig when you see his VA credits for Transformers. :-)
Android characters were not having as much fun.
Harvey Mudd episodes and the ones with the tribbles are silly yet fun
@@VulpisFoxfire teletran 1 and the Quintesson judge
My absolute favorite scene in TOS. The apex of the "baffle them with bullshit" strategy.
The "penultimate take no prisoners strategy!" "Baffle 'em with BULLSHIT!"
Gets 'em every freakin' time!
The amount of times this has worked for them is hilarious
It's so much better than the technobabble Star Trek got addicted to in the 90s. Just confuse the machines with logical paradoxes. Job done.
Yes. Vaguely reminds me of my company’s HR department. They’re like robots that act like everything is fine and harmonious, but can’t understand issues, even from the whole team.
"I am not programmed to respond in that area"
Man, Star trek predicted Siri well
back in the 60s my sister and I used to say that line to each other all the time!
Or inspired, but what fun is it to think logically?
That was so sassy of Kirk, imo! Sassy Kirk!! 😂😂
Siri? Sounds like Alexa.
Are Siri and Alexa robots?
The best part of this entire thing is it's not improvised. You'd think they would've basically gone in saying, "Be as illogical as possible and play along." But no. Kirk is pointing to cue specific actions. They planned this. In great detail. As in sat around and talked about every last action in this scene. And that amuses me to no end.
I bet they even rehersed and did the choreography to the actions also, very commendable, hats off to them. Id like to see Quinto and Pine do this
Too bad it can't endlessly amuse you though. In reality you have your own psychological limits to how much this can amuse you - following suit with the androids and humans, you should be more forthcoming about your mortal limitations.
midinerd Too bad you don’t realize that they were quoting Mr. Spock when he told Dr. McCoy: “The fact that my internal arrangement differs from yours, Doctor, amuses me to no end.”
I've no idea if you're talking from production perspective or canon perspective, both both are equally amusing to imagine.
@@guitartunez "pleases me no end"
You can tell Nimoy was trying not to laugh when he said "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad." Words to live by.
Right after Mudd start his soliloquy Shatner almost busts too.
My favorite line there.
Oh yes, “Logic is a little bird chirping in the meadow.”
@@TruthLivesNow Of course! What else could logic possibly be? I wouldn't have it any other way, lol!
No, no. He wasn't breaking character. It's Spock who's trying not to have such an undignified outburst of emotions when contemplating such an absurd idea. Although it doesn't quite translate well, this is probably what passes for the world's oldest and funniest joke on Vulcan.
Love how apparently spock was hiding the "explosive" up his shirt
If you ever saw Nimoy shirtless you know this detail was true
belly button bomb
You just know Shatner enjoyed going all performance-art like this.
I always wondered if Shatner did the elbow to Walsh's gut (2:20) in the moment or if they scripted it
I'm surprised he didn't burst into a couple verses of Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds.
The day over acting paid off.
Best line in the episode:
Spock (looking at one identical twin): I love you...
Spock (looking at the other): However, I hate you.
Ahhh, that's just a typical guy.. lol
The sad irony is that such a thing is realistic. I myself have great liked one twin while intensely disliking there identical other. A point which rather forcefully drove home that their similarities were purely physical...psychologically however, they were VASTLY different.
Never had romantic engagement with a pair of twins, eh lad? Take heed: *don't;* they cray-cray. Very much a poisoned apple you'll nay but nibble and pay a heavy price.
The follow-up is better: "But I am exactly the same as her?". Spock: "That is why I hate you."
@@davidclayworth2271 The best part was him trying to nerve pinch one of them and being surprised when it didn't work.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers...which smell bad."
It's Spock's face as he says that last part that makes it hilarious. :)
,, your ears are turning green....
Methinks his human side was having a lot of (illogical) fun with that ...
@@mnirwin5112 It's only logical to be illigical to defeat logical beings that cannot cope with illogical things.
@@burstcity3832 Precisely!
I laughed so hard.
Scotty's death scene.
*wipes tear* Beautiful.
WELCHYYYYYY!!!
The little curtsie that Scotty and McCoy do is so cute
I did that curtsie to a boss once but that wasn't the finger I used.
it really is
That's because McCoy is gay .. in the episode with Gary Seven he gave Seven the big eye exclaiming "totally perfect body!". Scotty was just acting the part.
I’ve always looked forward to that little flourish in this episode.
I wish Spock did it as well.
You can just SEE the pure child-like JOY on each of their faces, as they're being given the opportunity to act, TRULY Act, their hearts out. AND to be silly and comical about it.
I would PAY MONEY to see the blooper reels of this episode. :-)
How much money are we talking?
The real actors were the ones playing the androids who had to play completely straight through it.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird, chirping in a meadow.
Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell *bad*."
That needs to be on a Spock t-shirt
A meadow is an open habitat, or field, vegetated by grass and other non-woody plants. They attract a multitude of wildlife and support flora and fauna that could not thrive in other habitats
to compare logic to a bird in a meadow is to say logic is not logical to use, witch is a contradiction at its deepest possible level for an android.
@DejMar You could be a replicant, though. Nexus 9 probably.
I love the double--meaning in that the robot can't understand metaphors, but the metaphors ALSO contradict themselves.
1:39: I love this bit. Especially with them making the phaser noises.
IT's so natural, and under-played, it's hardly noticed. When Harry "hits the ball" and everyone else is "reeling" from the explosion, Spock joins the crowd while looking Up and Out as if following the ball with his eyes. Beautiful!!
What really did the androids in was the realization that Scotty survived this long in a red uniform only to die of happiness.
It was such a big paradox that it took some time to settle in.
Did you ever read the book "Redshirts" by John Scalzi? In the novel, the redshirts discover their reality is under the periodic influence of a badly written tv show from the past. The redshirts kidnap one of the virtually immortal bridge crew to use the narrative magic to confront the show's writers.
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Actors and characters both clearly had the time of there lives with this.
Their synchronized whistling always amazed me. It's perfect!
This has got to have been such a blast to film.
Spock's logic of little tweeting birds and badsmelling wreaths... >o
You know, I’ve never really thought about it before, but if you found someone who’d never heard of Star Trek and showed them this, it might well be one of the weirdest out of context scenes in the whole series.
When Kirk says it's time for the explosive, Scotty practically leaps to safety crying out 'Explosion!" My second favorite Star Trek episode. :-D
2:18 "That sense of enterprise" *jabs in the stomach* Classic!
Roll cred- Oh, wait, wrong show.
He really should have broken the 4th wall with that line... X-D
@@nunyabidniz2868 Yes!!
"Let's hear it for our poor, dead friend!" *uproarious laughter*
I love how, after the explosion, Kirk asks Norman, "Are you all right?' It's just such a wonderfully absurd moment. I mean it makes sense. There was an explosion. It's reasonable to expect that Norman could have been damaged.
Leonard Nimoy managed to keep a straight face on the line "Are you sure your circuits are registering correctly? Your ears are green."
Love that Spock allows himself to emote with his face and voice about 3% more than usual in this one scene. Especially while he's explaining logic to Norman.
Mudd fit right in with regular cast so well. Wish he would have had more appearances
The robots could not deal with human insanity
Which illogical since they could handle Mudd's! 😁 fortunately they could not imagine such loopiness multiplied by hundreds or billions.
But we cant function without it.
Wanna bet? Pew! Pew! No more nuisance illogical humans.
Of course Scotty is dead........red shirt!
that was the most logical thing that happened in this episode XD
LoL 😂 yes always have been the unlucky ones in red shirt .
Star Trek meets Whose Line XD
Android: That is not logical... Mr Spock.
Spock: *has his fingers in his ears trying not to explode*
This is a classic scene, hilarious at the time and still hilarious today. One of my favorites from the original series.
I just realized something of the final part. When Mudd told the android he was lying, he created Turing’s Halting Problem. No computer can work that.
Perhaps if the computer recognised the halting problem, then exit?!
So they cant work the problem, but they CAN stop themselves from working on it if they recognise it as insolvable.
Alternatively the source of the problem was due to the Liar's Paradox.
Nothing whatsoever to do with Turing and everything to do with Epimenides.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epimenides_paradox
@@juiceter3981 no, there are always issues that cannot be resolved.
We're getting closer to the day when we'll need this episode as a tutorial on how to disarm real androids.
Considering my phone not only listens to but pokes fun at me, I don't think this would break them.
Just pour boiling water on them.
@@user-tp6fo7im3d So funny! So true!
Only real actors like these can pull off a silly scene and keep it silly yet not stupid.
The funniest one I saw was when Spock fried the twins. He didn't even have to change his monotone for it and it worked.
This was seriously the best and silliest thing, and it's such a shame that no modern sci-fi (particularly star trek these days) would do something this inventive
That's because the writers of today's Star Trek have done entirely too many drugs, melted their "brains", and are not not much better off than vegetables. No imagination today. Re hash everything from before.
"Your ears are green!" I just love this!
The Andrece twins were soooo gorgeous!
Spock: logic is a beautiful wreath of flowers that smell badly. I'm dying. That has to be one of the funniest scenes.
This was the best moment when they all can be stage actors again.
I just love the way the Twins are confused. It's so adorable. They are like " Pls someone explain! :( "
Actually, I believe they used the word "please". It seems to be a long forgotten word. People today are incapable of even spelling it correctly.
@@Species5008 That comment is 5 years old
To anyone who designs thinking computers: you godda watch out for those situations in which the contemplation of a simple contradiction triggers an infinite loop that causes the CPU to burn itself up from excessive clock cycle usage. This is a serious, and chronic, design flaw.
I hope every computer meets the same fate as Big Package Norman.
You gotta be careful with liberals in the same way.
Not a design flaw, it's a safety feature.
Windows 10 does this when you ask it to open a file.
@@rudolphguarnacci197 ya know now that you mention it he did have quite the package. now that's something I won't be able to unsee.
"What is a man?"
"A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF SECRETS!"
*I watched this in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s and even now it's still funny!*
2:52: Scotty jumps up (after dying) for the 'explosion'. One of the best STOS moments
I like how Spock tells us logic is a wreath of pretty flowers witch smell bad.. Lol
which
Like a hippie
@@jamess4869 Which witch? lol
If you’re going to spell the way you talk, at least spell the word correctly. Which. Not pronouncing words of that kind correctly sounds like baby talk. Look it up in a really good dictionary. Most of them provide diacritical markings. If you know how to read them.
My favorite parts of this are Bones and Scotty doing the anime girl pose or whatever it is with the finger, as well as how flamboyantly Kirk waves his hands to get everyone to stop laughing.
Harry Mudd was probably my favorite recurring Star Trek character. When he shows up, s#*t gets weird.
I loved how the Star Trek crew teamed up with Harry Mudd to defeat the androids.
Kirk: everything Harry tells you is a lie.
Harry: Listen to this carefully Norman. I am lying..
Confuses por Norman
The Liar's Paradox
A delicious paradox.
The amount of self-parody here is delicious; who says Star Trek is too serious?
Hands down one of my favorite all time scenes in TOS. Kirk being buried by tribbles and then constantly getting bonked in the head by the rest being tossed out by Sisko and Dax is among the others.
Kirk and Spock doing what they do best: Pardoxing a computer into self-destruction.
If Kirk had encountered the Borg, I’m convinced he would have found a way to confuse them into killing themselves, the man’s got an extremely specific talent in that regard.
This has to be my most favorite episode of Star Trek by far! I love seeing Spock act illogical! lol :)
"I'm not programmed to respond in that area." XD LOL
Kirk: what is a man?
Me: a miserable little pile of secrets?
The Android guy at the end simply needed some thermal paste and water cooling for his head.
I actually love this bit more than a lot of scenes in "The Trouble with Tribbles".
It looks like the same set where they discover tribbles don't like Klingons, standing right at that same door.
I always thought Cyrano and Harry were very similar and either actor could have played both of them
To this day, I still wonder how many takes they had to do before they stopped cracking up, and finally got the scene in the can
I love where they’re all maniacally laughing over Scottie’s death, along with Kirk, and he immediately shushes them with a quick arms gesture!
A very Happy 90th Birthday William Shatner. Notre-Dame-de-Grâce, Montreal, Quebec. March 22, 1931 Born in Canada, But a U.S. treasure. Your legacy is worldwide. Thanks Tiberius..
I cant watch this and not laugh! Scottys death scene is so hilarious!
Norman's outfit leaves little to the imagination.. I didn't realize that they would make androids anatomically correct.. ;-)
Data is - Yar will tell you that
The best moment in Star Trek came in this episode:
Chekov: I think we're in a lot of trouble.
Kirk: That's VERY helpful, Mr. Chekov. Bones?
McCoy: Chekov's right. We ARE in a lot of trouble.
Kirk: *sigh* Spock? And if you say we're in a lot of trouble...
Spock: We are.
Kirk: o_O
Role play on the enterprise, at its finest. :)
0:53 literally the cutest thing I will ever see 😂❤️
The ending is anyone trying to figure out their government's plan of action when the past clearly shows they didn't have one.
The finger gun phasers and whistling killed me.
This episode is one of my favorites. I like how Spock remains logical despite saying illogical things here.
Trollin' robots for the lolz.
Think of all the computers that Kirk has destroyed over the years!
APPLE, IBM, et. al. must really hate that man!! 🤣
You stole this line from David Gerrold, didn't you?
@@saiga5476 I "adjusted" it. APPLE didn't exist when Mr. Gerrold originally wrote it.
The 60's, they were a helluva drug! lol You can really see 60's performance art here :)
Yes Dave Chappelle
@@Mr.Robert1 Charlie Murphy, ya mean 😉
I need a fic where they practice this, LOL
also the fact that Spock actually be a part of it... I mean who on Earth could convince him to act so.. illogically, XD
(I have an idea but I honestly need a fic for it.)
Well, in this case, it was completely in character for Spock to act illogical. He wanted to return to the ship and the only way to disable the robots is to be illogical, so thus, it is completely logical for him to be illogical.
It why I love these tidbits, since it allows more depth to a character, be it unintentional or not.
+Serenity2Witchs yes, but on the other hand, remember in Galileo Seven when he act illogically and got tease by Jim afterwards, I don't believe he would willingly do that when Jim's present, unless someone manage to convinced him (okay I'm all for Jim somehow convinced Spock to be part of it, LOL )
Well, as Spock pointed out at the end of Galileo Seven, only a desperate act had any chance to gain the Enterprise's attention, therefore it was entirely logical.
Ernest Brown I think you just nail it.. I think that's what Jim said to convinced Spock.. if he need convincing
Think about what Spock says in _The Galileo Seven_ and process what that means in this situation.
_The most logical possible solution was an emotional outburst_ . If it becomes logical to behave illogically, then illogic is only logical. Even more than that, _only illogic is logical_ .
I imagine being in such a situation where illogic is the only logical course of action, would be very liberating for a Vulcan, once they've parsed it.
If I was writing a Vulcan society, I would create a final test of Sarek's teachings which requires such a situation -- a situation where the only possible logical path is to engage in illogical behavior -- in order to sort those who really get the spirit of his teachings and those simply following out of dogma. Those Vulcans who really *understand* Sarek would be liberated, perhaps acting out their greatest and deepest fantasy, while lesser, more dogmatic minds would simply be confused, stymied or frustrated and would not know when the time had come to relax their control.
Logic bombs and paradoxes, an A.I.'s nemesis!
Only primitive A.I have such weakness.
The apex of common sense - so refreshing , lol
Where is the unknown? Maybe Spock knows ?!?
Ah the old trope that when something doesn't make sense, the computer short circuits and burns up. Used in the "Logan's Run" movie also.
I am 57 and I swear I have watched all the originals 100s of times....or more....
It gets even funnier when you think over how easily the Enterprise crew pwned the androids. The androids have no idea what makes humans tick. Their only point of reference was Harry Mudd, who's kind of an idiot. Just act like a bunch of theater kids who've had a ton of coffee, and the androids drop like flies. It's good that Kirk and Company stopped them when they did, but the androids' plan to take over humanity would never have worked.
I'm crying at the phrase theatre kids on a ton of coffee, it gave me flash backs of being a theatre mum.😂
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Kirk's statement here is actually quite factual.
Ahhh...they don't make 'em like this anymore !!! My favorite Scotty quote "The more they overtake the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain !!"
As a youngster, it took me several watchings of this episode to appreciate it. Now in my 50s I realize that it is Brilliant !
I've always thought that a part of Spock really enjoyed having the opportunity to act completely illogically. It was chance to cut loose for a bit and do and say things that he never usually would, and he could do it for completely logical reasons that any Vulcan would agree made sense at the time.
3:37 Dr McCoy moves with android like speed in this shot
The finest example of the physical consequences of a stack overflow.
Roger C. Carmel is the best as Mudd, when I was a kid those two episodes were always a delight when they came up on syndicated TV
I think this is the funniest episode of the original series.
I noticed that S1 is all about Kirk / Spock/ McCoy trio. However all other main crew including Uhura, Chekov, Scotty, Sulu became an important character in second season. S2 feels like they are actually a team.
I'm sure these actors enjoyed this scene more than ANYONE.
I feel like one of best uses of this scene would to be randomly show it to people out of context and without explanation 😂
this straight up looks like some of the BS my friends and I do during practice or backstage in the drama club 😂
Scotty should have taken him apart just to see how many fuses blew!
He probably did!
Once again, Star Trek the Original series predicts the future asthe bridge crew use a distributed Denial iof Service attack against Norman the android.
Actors. I miss them!