Kevin Garnett Vs Dirk Nowitzki: Who’s the GREATER Power Forward? (Versus Series #4)
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- When we evaluate the legends of history, and break down their talent, skills, stats and accolades... who comes out on top? In this video of this new series, Kevin Garnett squares off with Dirk Nowitzki.
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1-on-1 Tournament: Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Tim Duncan, Kevin McHale, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Anthony Davis… who wins?
Kg or ad
Tim Duncan
And the big fundamental also works
Garnett
tim or dirk
More entertaining than ESPN, more informative than Wiki..Well executed buddy, again.. Have a great new year.
Thanks man. You have a happy new year as well :)
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@@jonnyarnettSalute to you man. Sports content without narratives is all but extinct at this point, you're one of the few who deals strictly on stats and proper context
@@JerikoThomas A link for the intro music is in all of my videos descriptions 👍
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@@jonnyarnett Jonny, firstly, Happy New Year! 2020 is finally over and thank you so much for helping me get through this horrible year, secondly, I disagree heavily, you didn't even touch the most important aspect of Dirk's legendary career which was the 2011 playoff run, According to SRS, that playoff run is the the 6th toughest playoff run ever. What is even more impressive is the fact that dirk beat lebron and his big three and kobe and the lakers (Although kobe was hurt and pau played questionably).
That 2011 run is what people will remember in the future. You're the underdog, competing in the tough western conference against the reigning champions, you sweep them, and then you beat an upcoming squad of 3 mvps. With no other all star, Dirk Stepped up on the biggest stage of basketball, beating the big three, with wade bosh and bron. In my humble opinion dirk is better than kevin garnett Dirk played with almost no help his entire career, and yet never complained whereas KG won a title with 3 other hall of famers. I agree that the gap in defense is extraordinarily large, but you cant ignore the fact that Dirk BEAT Lebron and Kobe in the same playoff run.
That to me, singlehandedly, makes him better than KG.
Dirk won arguably the greatest ring of all time
Was quite the run. Totally redefined his legacy. I still wish Kobe would have made that buzzer beater in Game 1 of the West Semis... that sweep still haunts me.
Greater than Lebrons 2016 ring?? 🤔
@@ReZolute_ no help from ref and no opponents injured. Also the pistons and the hawks are both without all nba players
@@joshuachang5210 i see what you’re saying. Dirks 2011 overall playoff run was greater than lebrons 2016 run. But which finals series was greater?
@@ReZolute_ I said arguably
Kevin Garnett is literally my favorite player of all time. I grew up in the midwest during late 90's and early 2000's. As a result, I grew up watching him and got to enjoy nearly all of his career. If not for KG I might not even like basketball.
He was and still is my favorite player ever too!
I'm taking Dirk easily. I understand KG has the significant edge defensively, however the amount of success Dirk was able to see even with not that much talent around him is just pure insanity. Best player on 3 60+ win teams, best player on a bunch of 50+ win teams, and of course, led them to a championship as the only all star. It is honestly insane how well Dirk carried the Mavericks throughout his career. In comparison to Garnett, who in Minnesota, didn't find much success at all. I understand he was lacking good talent around him, but the talent around Dirk had around him was also not that good. So in my opinion, I think Dirk is 100% greater. That's just my take. I respect all opinions.
Kg’s 2nd best player in Minesotta was Sam Cassell .......
kg better,dirk greatest
@@Thanosdidtherighthingbillups in 2000 playoffs, when Dirk just killed KG!
As usual, people forget that Dirk was part of the 2 historic chokes in back to back seasons.
2005-06: Led Dallas to a 60 win record and made it to the Finals vs the 52 win Heat. Led 2-0 vs Heat then lost the next 4 when Wade took over.
2006-07: Led Dallas to a 67 win record. Lost to the 8th seed Warriors in the 1st round.
KG's Minnesota teams were shit and were underdogs, but for 1 season, which was KG's MVP season, he led the T-Wolves to the #1 seed with 58 wins and led them to the Conference Finals only to lose in 6 games to #2 seed Lakers with 57 win that had Shaq and Kobe. KG never choked, but when he had the #1 seed, he lost admirably to the better team. A 1 win difference is basically equal.
@@rob19ny casual spotted. To say that he never choked is ridiculous. From 1996 - 2004; during his prime, he only made it out in the 1st round once. Guess what? Cause he simply can't carry s team when he is needed the most. He is better as a 2nd or 3rd option in scoring while being the beat defender. Dirk on the other hand lead the team to 2 NBA Finals as the #1 option with no other allstar. In short, KG never choked because he is already choking in the 1st round. For someone who is the best all around defender at his position, he could never lead a team to 3 60+ wins. You can't say that about Dirk
Going up this versus series has mad potential with one the most sincere and informative basketball youtubers
Combine KG & Dirk and you have the PERFECT PF
Only thing missing would be passing but I still gave it a like
@@bobbypayne9843 kg is one of the best passing bigs of all time.
Mix in the strength and back to the basket game of Duncan and that’s just pure perfection.
@@bobbypayne9843 kg is the best passing pf of all time...
@@jalenbrunsonfan 2nd after Chuck.
To be fair Dirk spent all his career with a team that didn't manage to put a team around him. For years he constantly made the playoffs being the only All-star on his team
The Mavericks had a very good team through the early 2000s till like 2013. Dirk played with Michael Finley, Nash and Van Exel for years. He played with Jason Terry, Josh Howard (who was amazing in the 06/07 season and was an all-star that year), Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion etc. Some of these players when they were older, but still very effective.
@@nostalgicbliss5547 none of them compared to having prime Pierce and Allen lol
@@isaact.rmz.2539 Allen and Pierce were past their prime when KG joined the Celtics. KG, Allen, and Pierce prime were in the early 2000s as they all joined the NBA in the mid-2000s. When they joined the Celtics all of them were less athletic and physically gifted.
@@chiefs816kc Dirk had less help when he won, KG had less help when he didn’t. How you gonna say Jason Kidd at 39 is help, but Pierce and Allen at 30 were past it 😂
Dirk beat a legit superteam in their primes with less help. KG beat Kobe with Pau as his best help ONCE with Pierce, Allen and Rondo
They both have very different skill sets but they are both some of the greatest power forwards of all time
I'd say they're both top 5 PF of all time. TD is number one, but KG, Dirk, Barkley and Malone are 2-5, although there is debate as to order. McHale and AD are both honourable mentions. Just imo of course.
Both takes are excellent.
@@starwarsnewsandmemes8289 Giannis as an honourable mention to
@@TheFastBreakNBA2 I agree, but I feel like Giannis might have to get deeper into the playoffs to really be considered as a top 2-5 power forward of all time.
@@gni389 yeah, and he still is 26
Tuning in from Korea where it's a few hours into Jan 1st already. Jonny Arnett vid pops up on my feed = Perfect way to start 2021!
I hope you reach many great milestones this year! Thanks always for your insightful and well made videos!
Thanks friend, and happy new year!
Also, in his best season Dirk averaged 3 assists. KG averaged 6 in his best season.
I hope those dudes disrespecting Garnett on your community section see this video. Great as always, Jonny
@Tong Zou how was dirks cast good in 2011? 33 year Marion and 38 year old Jason Kidd? Deshawn Stevenson played good defense but he wasn’t an all star. Brendan Haywood was 7 feet tall and that’s pretty much it.
Dirk owned Garnett during their head to head playoff matchup in 2002. Garnett’s a great defender but during that series Dirk scored on KG as if nobody was there. It was painful for me to watch since I was rooting for Garnett over a still unknown European player at the time.
@Tong Zou I disagree heavily, you didn't even touch the most important aspect of Dirk's legendary career which was the 2011 playoff run, According to SRS, that playoff run is the the 6th toughest playoff run ever. What is even more impressive is the fact that dirk beat lebron and his big three and kobe and the lakers (Although kobe was hurt and pau played questionably).
That 2011 run is what people will remember in the future. You're the underdog, competing in the tough western conference against the reigning champions, you sweep them, and then you beat an upcoming squad of 3 mvps. With no other all star, Dirk Stepped up on the biggest stage of basketball, beating the big three, with wade bosh and bron. In my humble opinion dirk is better than kevin garnett Dirk played with almost no help his entire career, and yet never complained whereas KG won a title with 3 other hall of famers. I agree that the gap in defense is extraordinarily large, but you cant ignore the fact that Dirk BEAT Lebron and Kobe in the same playoff run.
That to me, singlehandedly, makes him better than KG.
@Tong Zou I have seen you on quora making questionable takes in favour of lebron. Keep doing that buddy.
@Tong Zou both dallas and miami's role players and bench are on par if you base it on stats during that finals(go check it out in BBallreference), it's just that miami didnt live up to expectations and dallas defense stepped up big time that series.
@@von1626 you're making her point
Dirk carried his franchise consistently to 50+ wins, and that should definitely be commended. I agree on this one. Its tough but Garnett really was that spectacular on both ends.
and playing in WEST
As usual, people forget that Dirk was part of the 2 historic chokes in back to back seasons.
2005-06: Led Dallas to a 60 win record and made it to the Finals vs the 52 win Heat. Led 2-0 vs Heat then lost the next 4 when Wade took over.
2006-07: Led Dallas to a 67 win record. Lost to the 8th seed Warriors in the 1st round.
KG's Minnesota teams were shit and were underdogs, but for 1 season, which was KG's MVP season, he led the T-Wolves to the #1 seed with 58 wins and led them to the Conference Finals only to lose in 6 games to #2 seed Lakers with 57 win that had Shaq and Kobe. KG never choked, but when he had the #1 seed, he lost admirably to the better team. A 1 win difference is basically equal.
@@rob19ny KG played with Sam Casell and Latrell sprewell in his only Minesotta playoff run lets not act like he only played with Scrubs.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 JESUS! In no way Sprewell and Cassel compare to Shaq and that underage dater Kobe's impact.
@5:35 only official seven footer with 50/40/90. KD cries in 6' 12"
Lmaoo kg was definitely 7 feet dude kept saying 6”12 lmaoo
I gotta go Dirk. His decline was much lighter than Garnett's and he didn't need another All Star on his team to take down the Miami Heat's big three.
@True Teller Josh Howard was in DC when the Mavs won the chip. Terry was a good shooter but that's about it. Kidd was 38 years old. Chandler hadn't hit his prime and although his defense was very good his offensive capabilities were limited to the paint. Plus Dallas lost their 2nd leading scorer in January (Caron Butler)
@True Teller I mean that's true for any team. I don't think a single team in history would have won it without their starting point guard and their 6th man so I don't really know what your point is
@True Teller Josh Howard wasn't a part of the 2011 championship team
Let's go mavs
@True Teller Marion was not an All Star anymore. Haywood was young and athletic but that's about it. Stojakovich was a shooter and that's it. KG is like the 4th best PF all time. It goes Duncan, Dirk, Malone, KG, Barkley. Webb could never carry a team like those other guys could. Oh and the Mavs weren't a bad team, but LeBron, Wade and Bosh were all all Stars in their primes. KG's legacy wouldn't be remembered if Paul Pierce wasn't there to bail him out. Oh and after 2009 he was a completely different player. His decline was very quick and evident. I mean the man went from averaging 14.5 ppg in 2013 to 6.5 ppg in 2014. 🤦♂️ quit clownin or u gon end up in a circus
I gotta give it to Dirk that 2011 championship means so much and is so valuable KG never did anything like that
@TheCubanMissile its the best since Hakeem 95 run
@TheCubanMissile by dallas. If it's individual player it's dwade in 2006 by far
It doesn’t for me. If LeBron didn’t choke dirk doesn’t win that chip
KG is wayyy better than NO DEFENSE dirk smh, we talking bout the player not narratives smh
@@S4L665-OnelessthantheDevil nah Lebron was the only one who choked that series D wade actually outplayed Lebron and dirk he was the best player that series
For me, Dirk. His 2011 run was the best in league history. I cant see Garnett doing that much with that Mavs team
I would say Hakeem's championship run was better, but Dirk's run still so great and not any other player in the modern NBA can accomplish that
@@bosyogurtlight I think dirks run was better, he beat some of the greatest players of all time with a lackluster cast, 1994 was a weak season as the best player in the world was playing baseball, in 1995 he played with clyde drexler who averaged 20 ppg in the playoffs
@@bosyogurtlight I have to disagree. Dirk went against the best talent there was at the time, Hakeem did not. Don't get me wrong what Hakeem did that year was absolutely absurd but let's be honest MJ doesn't retire Hakeem either isn't getting that chip or isn't getting it in the convincing fashion he actually did. That has to be taken into consideration.
@@jaredabrahamcidfda4840 yeah I agree. Hakeem is up there but Dirk's run is slightly better. He beat Kobe, Lebron, Wade etc without second star
@@jaredabrahamcidfda4840 Fuck I didn't see your comment before I basically said the same thing lol.
Again. Your videos are just phenomenal! Every video is a great journey throughout NBA history. I'm always learning a lot from them. I've only seen those players by the end of their careers and I must say that Garnett was always a fun player to watch. His intensity on court went far beyond his numbers.
*phenomenal
@@ganeshs8522 that's right! Haha. It auto corrected to portuguese there.
I've watched each episodes of this series like 4 times,, binge watching your videos lately. This series is the best but every other ones are great too. Keep it up my man.
There should be an additional category: "How did they play against eachother...head to head"
This one should go to Dirk, because primeDirk was unguardable and he actually torched KG, the best defender in the League at that time... Nobody talks about this anymore, but people went absolutely crazy during the 2002 playoffs watching dirk score at will against KG. ... it was fun to watch.
And don't forget before the dirty ass spurs landed on his leg Dirk Had Some Burst To Him
Man been loving the versus videos so far can’t wait for more videos
Well done. This was far closer than I would have thought. I would take KG due to his leadership and intangibles, but I wouldn't knock anyone for going with Dirk instead.
I personally love Dirk.
Because I'm a Lakers fan and I didn't want to root for KG at that time.....
KGs leadership is a fake tough guy act. Needed to be carried by a super team.
his leadership and all around game was great.
Leadership was so good he lost to dirk 3-0 in the playoffs
You lost me when you were talking up Garnet's leadership. The guy was all fake hustle and nonsense yelling. That isn't leadership.
Dirk didn’t need Ray Allen, Paul Pierce or Rajon Rondo to win a ship enough said.
Aaron Hensley Dirk didnt win anything on his own . Jason Terry was the real MVP of the series not Dirk plus Lebron choked
@@christiansoldier77 Or Chandler and Kidd/Barea, mostly Chandler though.
@@christiansoldier77 Terry? Lol did you even watch the series? Gtfo. There is a reason why Dirk won finals MVP.
@@dusk6159 you want to compare, Rando, Pierce and Allen with Chandler, Kidd and Barea? Boy you’re an idiot. Dirk had no one on his team. Only person of note was Terry.
@@rollastoney Obviously you didnt watch the series . Go take a look at Terry's numbers and when and how the turning point of the series took place
Bro you are too good. I could watch your videos over and again without being bored.
Way better than espn
love your comparisons. .awesome to watch
Many people have forgotten how great of an offensive player that KG was earlier in his career with Minnesota. He was more of a defensive player after he made the move to Boston because that is more of what that team needed from him. KG is an all-time 2 way player and maybe the most intense player to ever play. Dirk helped to revolutionize the league into the three point fest that we see today. He also changed the prospects of so many of the European players as it was not really until after Dirk's success did looking at players from Europe really become a viable option. In the end, KG's exceptional ball-on defense as well as his galvanizing of his teams defense wins out in this one for me.
I gotta give it to Dirk just because of the 2011 NBA Finals. Love KG but Dirk delayed the coronation of LeBron when he had no business doing so
Kg delayed Lebron too wym🤣🤣
@@skywalker2676 Thank You Lebron delayed himself from winning
@@skywalker2676 but kg delayed a lebron alone Cavs team Dirk beat lebron wade and Bosh by himself kg had pierce allen and rondo vs lebron by himself pretty obvious dirks own should of been next to impossible and he did it
@@skywalker2676 But that was when Lebron was in Cleveland. KG never beat Lebron on the Heat
@@bobbypayne9843 Nah he didn't beat Lebron because that wasn't Lebron playing at the greatness as he does.
Man I literally entered new year watching nba analysis. Greetings from Turkey!
Such a great analysis. Breaks down all aspects and is completely unbiased.
I don't think KG is underrated. I've always seen him clearly as a top-5 PF of all time.
U mean top 2😭
@@WadeWalker22 "4"
@@WadeWalker22 better than malone??
According to rankings KG is #4 among PFs:
1) Tim Duncan
2) Dirk Nowitzki
3) Karl Malone
4) Kevin Garnett
5) Kevin McHale
6) Charles Barkley
But I’d take prime Barkley over KG. And McHale was an excellent PF; Barkley said McHale was the most difficult to play against. I think KG is bit overrated. A great defender and rebounder, but not much more. He wasn’t clutch and he needed prime all-star teammates to carry.
@@timmyg831 nah KG is underrated. Even thinking basketball said himself KG is very underrated. He carried scrubs and his second option averaging 12ppg to the playoffs for 8 straight seasons aside from 2004.
First other than jonny himself
I was looking forward to this one. This was practically inevitable.
YESSSSSS I was waiting for this one!!!! post more chill off topic videos about the regular season sometimes, idk how much work you got on your plate, but I would love to hear your opinions on the current NBA season and whats going on with it as well as the legendary player comparisons that you do so well
Thank you for making this video
At first I thought this was gonna be a one sided comparison for KG but this really brought it back into perspective, dirk is under appreciated for sure
Also as of right now, KG is the only player in the top 50 of every major category
Also one of only 2 players to have more then 25k points, 10k rebounds, 5k assist and 2k blocks the other player being Kareem so ya to me it's not even an argument whether or not KG is better then Dirk cause Dirk ain't even in KGs league smh
Love your videos. Thanks. I am a Garnett fan, so I love it when you show his stats.
Jonny I agree with every single one of these head to heads you’ve done bro
Duncan, Garnett and Nowitzki were trend setters for modern big man in today's game.
True, and great point.
What ?
You do realize the 90s had Barkley , Malone and Kemp ?
With the 2000s bringing in Webber, Duncan, brand , Wallace , dirk , kg , jermaine O’Neal .
Literally the 2000s were full of great pf who styled there games off of the guys in the 80s and 90s .
I feel like this comment section is full of 15 year olds
@@kevinkohoutek995 Their play style is more of back to basket, rebounding, interior defense, mid range shooting, yes all of them are quick and atheletic but they don't have good perimeter defense, 3pt shooting and play making abilities that 2000's PFs had, these are the skills that modern bigs should have.
@@vincentsalvadorlatosa5077 Yup. Dirk paved the way for stretch bigs and Kg paved the way for all around versatile bigs like AD
@@vincentsalvadorlatosa5077 except barkely and kemp shot the 3 pointer .
Heck bill lambieer and jack sickma were shooting the 3 before them .
How about Sam Perkins , 6”9 pf / center who shot the 3
Also Tim Duncan and kg game was mid post game .
Dirks game was the only unique one where he could take you off the dribble , shoot the 3 and post up .
Your acting so delusional to hype these guys up
Before I watch, I’m saying KG because of his defensive prowess.
You’re stupid
Nah, I'll go with the guy who led his team to a championship. Dirk also destroyed KG in the playoffs back in 2002.
Dirk beat Kobe/gasol/Bynum, then harden/westbrook/Durant, then bosh/Wade/lebron...... with ZERO all stars on his team!!!!! Even lebron can't win a title with zero all stars on his team. Dirks scoring efficiency is unmatched by KG or almost anyone for that matter. Garnett doesn't have a finals mvp for a reason - he needed Pierce and Ray Allen to carry him. I'll give KG defense but just look at the numbers when it matters - 25.5 ppg in the playoffs for dirk..... 18 ppg in the playoffs for KG! KG didn't have the skill set to lead a team deep into the playoffs by himself. Dirk did it multiple times. If the refs don't hand the title to Wade in 2006 over dirk this isn't even a conversation. Wade shot more free throws than the entire Dallas team.
@@bitcoinisfreedom5265 ill take garnett since he was more athletic and hes better at defense
These guys just base their abilities base on number. So what even if garnett a average 5 blocks per game in his career, dirk is still the greater player. It's all about winning and how you won it
I love this series. Keep it up you're doing good at it 💯
This is your best serices, keep them coming.
Both were great but prime KG is close to goat of the 2000's in his prime. I love dirk, he would be better in today's game.
Prime Dirk, I know he played recently.
Still KG would be more valuable. Look at Bam amd his versatility even wothout a jump shot. KG would break todays NBA
Nowitzki got less rebounds cause he played away from the rim offensively so he didnt get many off rebs. Look at his defensive ones and the gap is not so big.
😂😂😂 so he’s better at rebounding
I really like the way you cover the players. This is one of my favorite basketball channels along with thinking Basketball.
These vids give a better take on players careers and their stats. This is good stuff
Theoretically, it should be KG, but Dirk made the Mavs the 2nd most consistent contenders of the 2000s to the Spurs. KG struggled to get out of the 1st round. Dirk got maybe the most valuable ring ever, KG had to make a big 3.
Yes, exactly. I don't understand it, but for some reason Dirk had the bigger impact on the court.
@@williamkoscielniak7871 what do you mean you don’t understand it? Dirk was much much better offensively
U clown mark cuban kept dirk with stacked teams. Kg had bums. If you put kg on half those stacked mavs teams dirk had he would have 4 rings for sure dude
And dirk basically always had a big 3 though the 2000s
@@lovinv08 U sound dumb af, dirk's teammates made a combined total of only 2 all star appearances in a 13 year span. He never had a big 3 you don't know what you're talkin about bro, he had good role players around him for the most part but that's it
KG and Drik are the Ying and Yang at the PF position. KG was pure heart passion hustle and intensity. He took pride in defense and was a competent. Dirk was pure skill and a classical european player in terms of playstyle. His 2011 playoff run is one of the greatest of all time no questions. However, if we had to choose it's hard to ignore KG's two way greatness. You also forgot to put KG's assists number in there. His playing making in Minnesota and his assist numbers were very high for a PF
Is it like Curry vs Chris Paul?
Great video!! As always!!
Feels like just yesterday you were at 50k. Congrats on 85k! 100k is next keep up the great videos!
It's all about achievement. Even if kg average 30points and 15 rebs I would still say dirk is greater because he accomplish more. End of story those stats or numbers is not as important as actual winning
Love the Vs. videos! I request Ewing vs David Robinson next!!
Very close, but The Admiral has those 2 rings...... (it´s a shame Pat never got his).
@@RoChede it would still be a dope video tho!
Robinson is considered the better player.
@@RoChede not close... MVP, dpoy, champion against Ewing....
As usual, I commend you sir for a very concise and informative video! More power this new year Jonny! It's very difficult to compare the two because they play very differently from one another. It depends on who will fit the needs of a given team. Though would give Kevin an edge for his flair and physicality.
Love your channel man. Can watch you and Andy hoops all day haha
Definitely going KG here, his impact and overall game is extremely underrated
For sure! At their absolute peaks, KG was just as good an Duncan imo.
Yeah that explains why dirk 3-0 kg in the playoffs and why kg could never lead a team as the number 1 guy
@Caruso Highlight Reel
Peak KG is better than peak Tim
@@kevinkohoutek995 KG was the best player on the ‘08 Celtics wdym? He never had any kind of contending team in Minnesota, how is that his fault? And it’s not like it was because his portability or anything. KG COULD definitely lead a team to a championship.
@@jshonsmith3399 Honestly I could see it. I probably wouldn’t disagree with you there.
I like stars of the past because literally every one could fit on any team. Not the same for some stars now a days (harden, simmons, westbrook, kyrie, etc). They have to build whole systems to make/get the best out of them. Not that that really matters, I just find it interesting. This verses is real close, but contrary to popular belive I'm taking Dirk. Though KG is much better at defense, I like how much Dirk bring shooting/floor spacing, not that KG couldnt space the floor but he just isnt close in that area. I value that 2011 championship too, he won the finals being the lone superstar on that team, and he was in the playoff (correct me if I'm wrong) every year of the 2000s which was the hardest west ever. And he wasn't just there, he came close to going to the finals on multiple occasions, cant say the same about KG ( even though his teams were trash ) KG is a better ceiling raider while Dirk is the better floor raiser
ALL Ws
Kevin Garnett WAY better
Only Dirk Nowitzki and Hakeem Olajuwon won championships as the lone superstars on their teams. That’s why I respect them and their championships the most. But they get little respect though.
LeBron have to create super teams to win his. Durant had to join super team GS Warrior to win his. KG left MN to join Pierce’s Celtics to form a super team to win his.
AI was one of the biggest star of the 00's and his style fits less systems than all of the players you mentioned.
@@benjaminan1183 ye I was going say that's the only one and maybe carmelo
Quickly becoming one of my favorite channels
Thanks bro! Recognition... KG fan all the way!
Love this series. I'm asking alot, but could you mention playmaking/passing a little more for players in a future? I believe that is another important aspect for this debate, as KG was clearly better in that area than Dirk
Tim Duncan: am I a joke to you?
Tim is the best, so it would be beneath him if he were compared to Dirk and KG. The latter PFs were not scrubs though, Tim is just the GOAT.
The intensity KG had was contagious. it hyped up the team & crowd
I can't love this more!!!!!!
Great video, KG needs to get more respect on his name. Top 20 player of all time IMO.
Top 40 all time
@@kevinkohoutek995 idiot top 17
@@eliekazmouz4450 he’s not even a top 8 pf
1- Duncan
2- dirk
3- Pettit
4- Barkley
5- Webber
6- Malone
7- mchale
8- pau gasol
9- kg
Literally barely makes top 10 pf all time and you say top 17 , shows how casual you are
@@kevinkohoutek995 I'm allowed to have an opinion, as are you.
@@noahfisher7343 yes of course but there is a difference between him being one of your favorite players and being a top 20 player .
Your being disrespectful toward the dr J , Rick Barry’s Wes unselds who get forgotten because people say ohhh my favorite player is top 10.
Like in 10 years people are gonna say jokic is better then x .
You can have your opinion, but I just want to point out there’s a difference between being your favorite player and a top 20 player
Agreed finally someone is preaching truth about KG
I join u because i think kg is underrated
These videos are so well done @jonnyarnett ! Keep up the great work!
Best series ever
dirk won arguably the greatest ring ever against me so id pick KG.
I used to practice that KG high release for hours, especially from the baseline. Funny enough, I used to combing Dirk's one legged fadeaway with KG's high release lol. It worked great from 10-15'.
My first video watched for 2021. Beautiful way to start the year 💪🏻
Aww yeah Johnny is a man of the people!
If KG never got a knee injury he would have 30k point easily
And probably got 3 to 5 rings..
@@rolandorevidizo1757 for sure 3 and damn 5 isn't really out of reach either since in 2012 they went to game 7 and even lead the series 3-2 that's with KG being 36
@@kg21bestpf94 i believe they could.. If rondo didnt hurt in 2011 playoffs. And in 2012 they almost won that series.. They just lack of contribution off the bench (without jeff green and avery bradly)
@@kg21bestpf94 how
ever 3 peat is enough for me if kg didnt hurt in 2009..
@@rolandorevidizo1757 Yeah in 09 they were on pace for 70 wins KG got injured in February and they still managed to get 65 wins so imagine him there those extra 2 months...It's sad how KGs career went down since he was the most talented player in his era even more than Duncan and Kobe it's just he never had a super star teammate in Minnesota and barely had anything decent there as well.
Dang if only KG was on a real team for his prime years
He was , people act like rasho couldn’t play though he won a ring with spurs .
They act like Chauncey couldn’t play until he won with the pistons .
Kg had teams but he’s overhyped
@@kevinkohoutek995 no tf they didnt.. Rasho was a decent at best center that flourished under pop.. Billups WAS an underachieving before going to the Wolves.. Anyone who saw him and Boston and his other stops before the wolves can see that
@@grammysworld5449 flourished because of pop ?
It’s funny because when pop has demar and Aldridge they don’t do anything .
I think it has to do with that Tim Duncan guy and manu ginobli.
Also people were expecting things out of billups , billups was traded from Boston because of his rape allegation.
Nice try though
@@kevinkohoutek995 has nothing nothing to do with "trying " go on and tell me all the great things Chauncey did before Minnesota? I'll wait
@@kevinkohoutek995 what did nesterovic do outside of San Antonio? Pop and the front office absolutely brought the best out of him.. LA played great in San Antonio idk wtf you're talking about he just came late.. Derozan can't lead a team and San Antonio brought him in as a #1 when it was already established that he was a #2 on his best day hence why Chicago is playing so well.. lmaooooo next you'll tell me the Candy man was a superstar on the clippers lmaooo
Thanks for taking my suggestion bro! great video!
Help! I'm watching Jonny, and I can't stop!
Dirk. Hands down. Did much more with less, created an unblockable shot that lives on as a silhouette in Dallas lore, and single-handedly destroyed superstars in his run in 2011. Dirk is a 🐐.
KG wayy better
Dirk had NO defense
KG and it's not even close
Even jonny said it
@@II55555 True, Dirk had no defense, but KG didn’t have the offense. It was also mentioned in the video. KG couldn’t carry his Timberwolves, Dirk carried the Mavs for over a decade and won a Chip on his own without stars, the Celtics Chip on the other hand... had Paul Pierce, KG, Ray Allen, and a breakout Rondo.
@@SweetChariotOfFire who choked in 2007 though in the first round😭😭😭
@@SweetChariotOfFire what you mean? Choking sprewell average 12ppg on 49%TS as the third option and kg carried them to the first seed. Name one time Dirk lead his team to the first seed with a guy shooting 49%Ts as his third option? Even bench terry was averaging 15ppg and he’s their 6th man💀. Dirk always on stacked teams
And yet, here we are, with Dirk being above Garnett in the NBA 75. Garnett is an amazing defensive player, and a solid offensive player, but it just doesn't match the value of a 7ft long range machine like Dirk. If your team is lacking heavily in the defensive department, KG is the choice for sure. However, if your team already has decent/good defense, there's no doubt Dirk is the choice to be made. KG required a super team to win a Ring, and Dirk beat out one of the best super teams in history in arguably the hardest title run ever (it's possible Dirk should've also won in 2006, if the "rigged" claims from a former Ref are true). Stats are important of course, but if stats were everything, Russel Westbrook would be a top 20 player all-time. Context is key when it comes to basketball, this isn't 2K
sadly for you garnet is better, d matters
@@IronheartvsMiles Depends on your team. Dirk offers way more for an offense, being a big that can score efficiently from anywhere, but KG is a more reliable interior defender. Defense is important for sure, but having the ability to space out on the offensive end is just as valuable. I'd take KG on teams like Miami or Boston, but Dirk slots in better for teams like Dallas or Memphis.
Great video!
The greatest TH-cam intro of all time
I always felt KG could have been a guy that could have averaged 35-12-4 over a five year span. He was so unblockable, quick, jumping, aggressive, strong and athletic. Instead he tried to be too 'complete' and I think that sort of hurt him.
Deffo agree with you that he tried to be too complete, and the fact it dind't work should go against him, nonetheless I see no scenario in which he'd have ever averaged 30+ points. He settled for too many 20 foot fadeaways, instead of planting his ass in the post and taking easy shots. He was an unreal passer tho
KG had the better prime but it was floundered in Minnesota.
Debatable. Dirks prime was pretty ridiculous but Garnett definitely had the raw emotion every night that Dirk just wasn't capable of making Garnett's prime more memorable to most.
@@alexhennigh5242 Production wise, it's not debatable.
I love your VS series. What would be really exciting, is a tournament setup per decade and position, taking for example the top 8 all-stars. Someone did it with bodybuilding and it was very exciting. Then the cherry on the cake is a tournament with each decade winner.
My favourite era in basketball ever!! I think Garnett was also the first high schooler to go pro and I remember hearing commentary about whether he was going to have a real career in the league. He and Kobe are the reason why teams have become confident with drafting youngsters!
Jason Kidd vs Steve Nash
I'm taking Garnett because of his leadership abilities. His constant energy, trash talking, etc.
He’s not a better leader than Dirk...Dirk been in the west and never won less than 50 games...and he’s better than kg
He much better than Dirk
The big ticket was a modern-day version of Bill Russell, he could have gone for 30 every night, but was always unselfish and played a team game! He definitely gets the slight nod in my opinion.
This channel might be more underrated than KG was. Deserves way more than 80k subs
Tim Duncan did carrier the 03 spurs, which was before Ginobili became good; Parker played like shit, shooting 39 percent from field in the last 2 series. Tim Duncan won with a weak team in 03 eliminating the 3 peat Lakers who were heavily favored. So no i dont think kevin Garnett was on par with Duncan although it wasnt a huge gap either.
Duncan still had a very well coaches team and had great defenders around him. KG never had that luxury in Minnesota
@@MrSayWhatIThink23 He did Marbury played with him. Before his attitude problems began to show he was a really good player.
@@MrSayWhatIThink23 Go look at the 04 Wolves son, Spree averaged 20 in the playoffs and Casell averaged 17, KG put up 24. Duncan in 03 was 25 a night, the next best was Parker at 14 PPG shooting 39%. His best defensive help was Robinson at 38 years old and Bruce Bowen, playing perimeter defense which is the least important of any defense played. Duncan on the 04 Wolves wins with ease, KG on the 03 Spurs loses in the first round. Dude has like 4 30 point playoff games, quite frankly could never be the best offensive player on a true contender, and his defense was more like Scottie Pippen, Duncan is next to Hakeem and Russell as the greatest interior defender ever, which is the most important defense played.
@@hardwoodthought1213 stop the nonsense, he had Bowen & Stephen Jackson. 2 of the best perimeter defenders in the league at the time and who ever said perimeter defense wasn’t that important? Also, the 03 Spurs outside of Duncan averaged 70.1 points. Minnesota outside of KG in 04 averaged 67.6. They were more top heavy but not deeper and not better coached
@@exiledknight3961 Marbury was a solid player but you’re not winning with his play style. Also, he played his worse ball in Minnesota
Misleading. Young Dirk was a better than average rebounder, averaging 9.9 rebounds per game twice. Dirk had a career True Shooting Percentage of .577. Garnett, .546. FAR better efficiency than Garnett. Defensive Box Plus Minus has Dirk a slightly better than average defensive player for his career. A good defensive player early in his career. Box Plus Minus has Garnett as AMONG the best defensive players. Pretty obvious what we've got here. Dirk was the best scorer of his generation when considering volume and efficiency. Yes, better than Duncan and Kobe. (TS% of .551 and .550) Garnett was probably Duncan's equal on defense, but was not nearly the offensive player.
Yeah. And while Garnett was a perennial loser in Minnesota even though he didnt have much help...Dirk was leading a team with also not much help to 50 wins a season...
@@ganeshs8522 Garnett was not nearly enough of a scorer to carry a team by himself. Dirk would have been an even better with some help. I HATE the way that Carlisle took the 3 pt shot away from him and had him take ALL his shots in isolation, just inside the 3 pt line. Forced that one legged fade-away on him. With the best shooting 7 footer in NBA history, he should have been stretching the floor.
@@ganeshs8522 dirk had nash/finley/van-exel/j.howard/a.jamison/kidd/t.chandler/marion/peja/josh h.
Dirk was always surrounded by shooters and underrated defenders.
Terry /finley/ nash shot better than dirk from 3 on more volume numerous of seasons.
@Darryl Davis The only other all-star level talent Dallas had during Dirk's tenure was Nash. I don't think that any of those other guys were even borderline. Certainly not with Dallas. Terry was the closest to a number 2 scoring option. And he might be the worst 2nd option ever on a championship team.
@@Kermit_T_Frog u real disrespectful to Mike Finley considering he was the all star first before Nas and Dirk
super good quality videos, u deserve more attention
This is the good stuff
I respectfully disagree with KG being over Dirk because KG was on some trash Wolves teams during the 2000s but Dirks teams weren’t much better. And Dirk led his team to be a competitive playoff team every year while KG and the wolves were questionable even make the playoffs every year. I also believe that Dirk’s 2011 ring was more impressive than anything that KG ever did or accomplished by a lot.
Dirk had so many allstars and fringe allstar caliber teammates throughout the late 90s/early 2000s: Steve Nash, Michael Finley, Josh Howard, Nick Van Exel, etc. Compared to KGs best Twolves teammates: Wally Szczerbiak, an old Sam Cassell, and a twilight years post-choking of PJ Carlisimo Latrell Sprewell. I love Dirk, but KG is the better overall player imo.
@@TheriotProductions KG unlike Dirk had a future Finals mvp alongside him.. Part of Minnesota not being able to bring in talent had to do with KG eating up much of the salary cap when he signed to be the highest player in the nba. Dirk took a pay cut to help bring in veteran guys which culminated in the 2011 title.
What Dirk lacked defensively you can make up for it with team defense, but you CANNOT replace what he brought to the offensive side. Dirk’s offensive presence made people like Jason Terry and JJ Barea household names and spread the floor for cutters and penetrators, which is the only reason the Mavs won that title in 2011 and punk’d the 2010 champs.
The moment you got this video up, I picked KG already haha. I also remember how many MVPs KG will have in that 2000s MVP video of yours.
That 2011 ring was something special
The disrespect Charles Barkley is getting in the comment section smdh!
yeah he was very disrespectful to himself should have put the pizzas and doughnuts down l damn thats too funny lol
If we are talking one one one, prime Barkley would savage these other players, he was to quick, had good handles and even tho being much shorter he could elevate, had a better shooting percentage and was a better career rebounder than all of those guys.. He killed young Garnett and Duncan when he was in his mid 30s, a Philly version of Barkley would too much.
Going with Dirk on this one...
Happy New Year, Jonny.
This is the perfect video to show fans who only started watching within just the past decade (2010s). The recency bias totally skews the argument towards Dirk and his legendary 2011 postseason run. In terms of who was the better player, the edge definitely goes to KG.
All the other comments I see here that prefer Dirk only use his ‘11 title run. They didn’t see your entire video to see why Garnett was a lot better than many young fans now fail to give him credit for.
This is by far the most interesting and closest one of these videos.
It helps that you can't hate these two.
Before we start I'd say Dirk because he carried the living hell out of that Dallas team when they won the chip while KG couldn't do the same
KG carried Minnesota for years. He never had as much talent in Minnesota as Dirk had. Dirk also had a famous choke job when he flamed out vs the 8th seed Warriors after winning MVP.
@@chiefs816kc KG carried Minnesota for years into the 1st round and not much else.
@@chiefs816kc KG carried those Minnesota teams all the way into the 1st rd of the playoffs and got swept by Dirk and the Mavs.
Dirk washed KG in the 1 on 1 matchup for the series. Dirk averaged more points, rebounds, and assist than KG.
This is Dirk all the way. He didn't have to run to two hall of fame players in their prime to get his chip. He stayed put even after getting fucked over in the 2006 free throw competition to win a ring for the team that drafted him.
@@Damianoutlaw They went to the conference finals fool vs Kobe and shaq in a 6 game series Dirk was a choker in 2004 vs the Heat and got beat in the first round with the best record in the league Dirk is overrated
@@christiansoldier77 oooh....one year! Wow!!!
What about the other 12 years????
From 1995 until 2007 Kevin Garnett was only able to lead his team out of the first round one time...which was in 2004.
Dirk has never lost a playoff game to Kevin Garnett.
Dirk is the GOAT
what?
Damn I mean both are good as hell but KG did play both ends
Reasonable take i like it
Wow, you can do this series forever.