Cobalt ss M62 vs H62 vs TVS1320. In this video I show some differences between the factory m62 supercharger and the very rare H62 supercharger and the TVS1320.
@@jasonwiddowson8892 no prob man. Been looking for a channel for nearly 3 years now. Slowly building up my little 2.2 coup 5spd. End game is to rebuild the engine and hit it with zzp turbo kit. Just shy of a year into it... Eibach sport, k&n typhoon, zzp maf, zzp tune, zzp dp, new stock mid pipe, n1 style muffler, aem a/f, ottp short throw. Sitting on 18x9 niches wrapped in nitto neo 225/40. Just threw an exedy pro clutch in it. Thought I was getting a stage 1 but realized otherwise after the fact.
There's 12 of these sitting brand new in the box. at Mitford proving grounds. In building 104. I've been wanting to make them disappear for the past 4 years. But there technically owned by Eaton. But they never came to get them so there kinda stuck in limbo.
I made 318 whp 298 wtq on 22 psi with the Xmas tree port. Ported lower and ported head on a stock LSJ. Oh and water/ meth. I was the person who created that port design btw.
I had a ported M62 on my SS with a 2.6 Pulley, along with double pass endplate, S3 heat exchanger, neutral balance shafts, S3 ZZP Cams, n a few other things, tuned on 93 made 320whp on 20lbs of boost, miss that car, may need to build another one n go TVS and fully build the head with ZZP’s Race block 😆
@@18thSTVATO upgrade the valve springs and get a thicker headgasket to lower the compression, the 2.4 ecotecs are not as sturdy and have valve float issues. Do the timing chain while you are in there as well so the guides don't break and grenade your valves
Jason, a little off topic, but a quick question on a 2.2l supercharger conversion with the stock M62. Can you use the stock 2.2l tensioner arm with the vertical 2.0l lsj tensioner? I also have ZZP's adjustable pulley. I know you mess around with Ecotecs a lot and didn't know if you ever tried this combo. I'm having a tough time finding the lsj idler mount bracket, so I was wondering if the stock 2.2 might work.
Im in the middle of changing the valve seals and have the ac and intake mani off and all taken apart to clean. Would I just have to show them the design of the supercharger outlet, Xmas tree design, and they should be able to do it.
So when you used the h blower did you have it maxed out on the dyno? Can it produce more boost safely or is it the design which makes it better flowing for a bit more power at the same boost?
It was pretty much maxed out. It was running the same pulley as the m62. It did produce about two more pounds of boost. With the ATI damper it's like I was running a pulley just under a 2.5.
Hey I was just wondering do you have the dyno results on paper for the m62? I got in an argument today with some know it all’s saying that the m62 only maxes out at 300 flat just tryna find some physical proof
I'm interested in doing a 1320 install in my 2007 Cobalt SS. The thing is, I think the transmission might be going in it. Since your channel focuses on the Cobalt, would you advise doing so? As I've heard Getrag no longer produces or manufactures components/parts for that transmission. Sorry if this question sounds dumb
Not dumb at all. There is a gut on fb jason Perrotto that builds these transmissions. I believe he sells parts for them also. There also new ones on fb but the prices have went way up. Another option is f23 swap from a base model but these is some work involved need to switch out mounts and holders they hold good power as good or better then the stock trans. The best swap is the f40. Jason and zzp sells swap kits there 6sp to and very strong. But can set you back 4k give or take
@@18thSTVATO Yes you can, or a turbo. Either is a full weekend project plus tune time and about $2,000-$2,500 when all is said and done. Can't make a lot of power on that 2.4 bottom end, but enough to add a little extra fun.
It was a prototype blower handed out for testing. From what I understand around 7 was made. Most got sent back to Eaton but somehow a few stayed out into the public.
Unfortunately it's already spoken for as soon as I bought it. There's a line of people who called dibs. Awesome that you found one 10yrs ago wonder if it was the same one
Yes. Ones stock ones a rare prototype for the replacement of the stock one. The big gray TVS1320 was made for the cobalt/ion as a big blower replacement. All 3 bolt right into place.
@@18thSTVATO no, you need the lower manifold collant pump different bracket for the alternator and ac lines a tune and alot of fab work. Your 2.4 is the same as the 2.4 in a solstice so you face the same retrofit issues I do. Plus unless you build your block the rods tend to give out around 300 horsepower.
Yea theres a kit on zzp for it. Or you can put your own together. But I know some years 2.2 you can't tune. I don't you can a 05 not sure about 06 after that I think your good. But research what one actually are. Or you can always email zzp also
@@keed_on_two_wheelz I mean its how far you wanna take it. As a basic setup bigger injectors like 80 or 160s. Cooling mods and a 3.5in intake with a ls4 throttle body on e85 if possible would be a good start. Really wanna wake it up check my mod list out on my other videos and you'll see what I did. Things like a ported head and cams are a big help
@@jasonwiddowson8892 man you're so lucky you can run e85 in Canada that's a hot commodity. I'm 100% gonna fallow your list tho. Zzp has absolutely everything and reasonably priced. And I can port my heads and save the 2200 or whatever it is
@@jasonwiddowson8892 I’m not sure about that m90 is physically moves more air. I say this because I run m90 on my 2000 Jeep grand Cherokee 4.0. I also run a AEM .water meth awsome
@@trevorthomas6043 i can't remember the reason. But there has been a few done in the past and produced m62 results. Not saying something that wasn't done wrong or can't be done better. But its alot of fab work even if it does Slightly better vs picking up a tvs
Finally a channel all about Cobalt! Where have you been me entire life!? LMAO why am I just now coming across your channel
Lol thanks man Hopfully I get some new vids soon I got ideas just need to do them
@@jasonwiddowson8892 no prob man. Been looking for a channel for nearly 3 years now. Slowly building up my little 2.2 coup 5spd. End game is to rebuild the engine and hit it with zzp turbo kit. Just shy of a year into it... Eibach sport, k&n typhoon, zzp maf, zzp tune, zzp dp, new stock mid pipe, n1 style muffler, aem a/f, ottp short throw. Sitting on 18x9 niches wrapped in nitto neo 225/40. Just threw an exedy pro clutch in it. Thought I was getting a stage 1 but realized otherwise after the fact.
Very cool seeing the differences. 👍
Thank you. Yeah, I thought it would be good Info to have on video.
There's 12 of these sitting brand new in the box. at Mitford proving grounds. In building 104. I've been wanting to make them disappear for the past 4 years. But there technically owned by Eaton. But they never came to get them so there kinda stuck in limbo.
I would buy one too
Liberate them and sell me one.
I made 318 whp 298 wtq on 22 psi with the Xmas tree port. Ported lower and ported head on a stock LSJ. Oh and water/ meth. I was the person who created that port design btw.
Would be cool to have one of these blowers feed a turbo for a non restrictive compounding effect.
I had a ported M62 on my SS with a 2.6 Pulley, along with double pass endplate, S3 heat exchanger, neutral balance shafts, S3 ZZP Cams, n a few other things, tuned on 93 made 320whp on 20lbs of boost, miss that car, may need to build another one n go TVS and fully build the head with ZZP’s Race block 😆
Do you think the 2.4 NA is worth it imma put either a used blower on their or a turbo kit from Zzz . It’s a SS
@@18thSTVATO upgrade the valve springs and get a thicker headgasket to lower the compression, the 2.4 ecotecs are not as sturdy and have valve float issues. Do the timing chain while you are in there as well so the guides don't break and grenade your valves
Jason, a little off topic, but a quick question on a 2.2l supercharger conversion with the stock M62. Can you use the stock 2.2l tensioner arm with the vertical 2.0l lsj tensioner? I also have ZZP's adjustable pulley. I know you mess around with Ecotecs a lot and didn't know if you ever tried this combo. I'm having a tough time finding the lsj idler mount bracket, so I was wondering if the stock 2.2 might work.
Im in the middle of changing the valve seals and have the ac and intake mani off and all taken apart to clean. Would I just have to show them the design of the supercharger outlet, Xmas tree design, and they should be able to do it.
So when you used the h blower did you have it maxed out on the dyno? Can it produce more boost safely or is it the design which makes it better flowing for a bit more power at the same boost?
It was pretty much maxed out. It was running the same pulley as the m62. It did produce about two more pounds of boost. With the ATI damper it's like I was running a pulley just under a 2.5.
@@jasonwiddowson8892 have you done any cooling mods for the exchanger?
@@codydillenbeck4443 Yea I have a large heat exchanger with a single pass manifold and a larger IC pump.
Hey I was just wondering do you have the dyno results on paper for the m62? I got in an argument today with some know it all’s saying that the m62 only maxes out at 300 flat just tryna find some physical proof
Yes I have video on my TH-cam channel of the 349whp dyno at zzp. If you still need a picture lmk
@@jasonwiddowson8892 thank you yeah I looked into your channel and saw that. thank you very much for the response !
What’s the circular hole on the underside of the charger? It connects to the intake manifold above the coolant lines.
9 Months late, but it's the bypass valve
I'm interested in doing a 1320 install in my 2007 Cobalt SS. The thing is, I think the transmission might be going in it. Since your channel focuses on the Cobalt, would you advise doing so? As I've heard Getrag no longer produces or manufactures components/parts for that transmission. Sorry if this question sounds dumb
Not dumb at all. There is a gut on fb jason Perrotto that builds these transmissions. I believe he sells parts for them also. There also new ones on fb but the prices have went way up. Another option is f23 swap from a base model but these is some work involved need to switch out mounts and holders they hold good power as good or better then the stock trans. The best swap is the f40. Jason and zzp sells swap kits there 6sp to and very strong. But can set you back 4k give or take
@@jasonwiddowson8892 can I install a SC on a SS 2.4 NA ? Automatic
@@18thSTVATO Yes you can, or a turbo. Either is a full weekend project plus tune time and about $2,000-$2,500 when all is said and done. Can't make a lot of power on that 2.4 bottom end, but enough to add a little extra fun.
Did cobalts come with the h62 ? Or is it aftermarket
It was a prototype blower handed out for testing. From what I understand around 7 was made. Most got sent back to Eaton but somehow a few stayed out into the public.
did m62 the blower come on anything there than a cobalt?
I’ve seen a couple old Pontiac bonneville’s at my local junkyard with m62s before Buick switched to the m90. Mercedes used Eatons too
Would you consider selling the H62? I missed the opportunity to buy one about 10 years ago.
Unfortunately it's already spoken for as soon as I bought it. There's a line of people who called dibs. Awesome that you found one 10yrs ago wonder if it was the same one
Jason Widdowson Kinda figured but thought I’d ask. It was from a css.net member Jeff, “Staged07SS”. I kinda regret not getting it now.
Quick question my BROTHAZ. So all them SUPERCHARGERS can replace the supercharger in a 2006 Chevy Cobalt
Yes. Ones stock ones a rare prototype for the replacement of the stock one. The big gray TVS1320 was made for the cobalt/ion as a big blower replacement. All 3 bolt right into place.
@@jasonwiddowson8892 can they be added to a 06 NA 2.4 SS ?
@@18thSTVATO no, you need the lower manifold collant pump different bracket for the alternator and ac lines a tune and alot of fab work. Your 2.4 is the same as the 2.4 in a solstice so you face the same retrofit issues I do. Plus unless you build your block the rods tend to give out around 300 horsepower.
Is it true you can use 2.0 lsj style supercharger like m62 on a 2.2l ecotech I've been finding mixed answers.
Yea theres a kit on zzp for it. Or you can put your own together. But I know some years 2.2 you can't tune. I don't you can a 05 not sure about 06 after that I think your good. But research what one actually are. Or you can always email zzp also
@@jasonwiddowson8892 ok thanks
@@jasonwiddowson8892 so a NA 06 2.4 SS is useless 😕😕
Is the h62 better than the m62?
Yes. I put down 349 on the m62. And 381 on the H62
Is the h62 and tvs worth buying
You probably won't find a h. But its honestly what you enjoy and what you want the car to be/do with the car.
Is the tvs straight bolt on from the 62?
Yes
@@jasonwiddowson8892 recommend anything to be done along with it. Valves springs. Injectors or di
@@keed_on_two_wheelz I mean its how far you wanna take it. As a basic setup bigger injectors like 80 or 160s. Cooling mods and a 3.5in intake with a ls4 throttle body on e85 if possible would be a good start. Really wanna wake it up check my mod list out on my other videos and you'll see what I did. Things like a ported head and cams are a big help
@@jasonwiddowson8892 man you're so lucky you can run e85 in Canada that's a hot commodity. I'm 100% gonna fallow your list tho. Zzp has absolutely everything and reasonably priced. And I can port my heads and save the 2200 or whatever it is
Is the TVS worth the money?
I have not went full send. But it's definitely fun I don't know that I would buy a brand new one. But used yea for sure
Could you run a m90 supercharger
People have in the past with custom kits. They actually made less power then a m62.
@@jasonwiddowson8892 I’m not sure about that m90 is physically moves more air. I say this because I run m90 on my 2000 Jeep grand Cherokee 4.0. I also run a AEM .water meth awsome
@@trevorthomas6043 i can't remember the reason. But there has been a few done in the past and produced m62 results. Not saying something that wasn't done wrong or can't be done better. But its alot of fab work even if it does Slightly better vs picking up a tvs
I'm sure I know the answer... is that tvs for sale
Sorry for just seeing your comment. Maybe someday I got to have a little fun with it first😜