Player Core 2 Alchemist Deep Dive. All changes, all new feats PLUS Alchemist Archetype! Pathfinder 2
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I think this is the first class guide I've ever seen that actually covers the multiclass Feats and I appreciate that very much I hope you do that for all of the other class guides you're planning on doing for Core 2
Yeah! Don't see why not. They're kinda related. :)
Seems like the work should be as complete as I can make it.
I wouldn't want to turn in an assignment that's 80% complete, then the best I could get would be a "B".
It's the "willing creature" that triggers the healing instead of acid. So if you chuck a versatile vial at someone trying to commit suicide by alchemist you'll heal them.
@@albinocaveslug lol
"I'm not gonna read that, it's just alchemist dedication" got a good chuckle from me. great video
Hee hee thanks! This is the class change that I'm most happy about in Player Core 2. I am very glad the Alchemist changed as it did and that the Archetype is SOOOO much better now.
15:41 I'm guessing people will be (ab)using Archer archetypes and similar effects that say something like "whenever you get expert+ proficiency in *any* weapon, you also increase your proficiency in XYZ". Bombs are weapons and now go to master, so they will take a bow (in that example) along for the ride.
Great video! :) It's awesome to see alchemist getting some love. It's one of my favorite classes (together with gator and kineticist). When I first came to PF and saw the goblin picture, I was instantly converted.
That's a great idea for a build, I may suggest it to one of my players. Yeah, it does make sense to get improved proficiency with another weapon.
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it. I LOVE the fantasy of the Alchemist, but the PF2 Alchemist was never QUITE what I was looking for in a build so I often added it alongside Witch or Rogue or something but NOW... I think I really like it now.
Witch is my fave, as you'll see on my channel and as people in my Discord know - but Alchemist has been my favorite ARCHETYPE along with Psychic and Kineticist.
lol yeah the little goblin bastard got me too in the beginning. It makes for a memorable entrance to the system. It speaks to a very specific fantasy.
Honestly I’d recommend dual weapon warrior more for a thrown bomb build. With the fourth level feat you can apply dual slice on bombs since they’re thrown weapons for a solid ranged build.
@@cosmoniums5990
Fun idea but it takes until lvl 4 to start working + no real synergy with the rest of the archetype imo
I agree but goddamn it would be fun.
They changed those archetypes to instead work like ancestral weapons progression I believe.
Love how in-depth this is, keep up the good work.
Great! I'm glad my thoroughness comes through. I try to do a good job. I appreciate your compliment.
In case you didn’t know Chirurgeon is the old French word surgeon is derived from and is actually pronounced like surgeon with the Ch sound instead of the S sound at the beginning.
PS: Great video!
Oh! Jeez, thank you!
And thank you for the praise; I'm grateful for your involvement. Please don't hesitate to nitpick or give negative feedback as well. It helps refine the end product. :)
Alchemist didn’t just get buffed, it got pimped!! They really nailed it in many aspects (heck, even the alchemical familiar got buffed by making it a construct! But I think they accidentally missed writing that you can heal construct companions with Crafting)
Anyway, can’t wait to commit war crimes with my ratfolk chirurgeon… “Zhe healing ain’t as good-rewarding as zhe hurting, yes-yes.”
(Also, first)
HAhahahah lol I love your ratfolk mad doctor.
It's fine, I think we can just go by the rules for a Construct Companion overall from Guns and Gears. It's really detailed and easy to understand.
@@WisdomCheckThanks!! I’m glad you like my war criminal chaos potato as much as I enjoy RPing him in my games (he acts like a chaos potato, but he’s in reality a sweet potato. “I must help-heal everyone, no matter if they are friend-ally or or foe-enemy, that is my oath-swear, yes-yes.”). Now I can enjoy playing him even more!
(Maybe I can convince you to check on the Ratfolk ancestry when you eventually feel like talking about ancestries?)
Ah! Sure. Checking now. (I love his inner monologue, fyi)
This is the only new Ancestry Feat for Ratfolk, and they've lost a few like Gnaw and Skull Creeper
17TH LEVEL
CALL THE SWARM [three-actions] FEAT 17
RATFOLK
Prerequisites Ratspeak
Frequency once per day
You give a shrill whistle and point, and a massive swarm of rats
pours forth from the surrounding terrain to fill a 30-foot burst
within 120 feet. The rats scurry over the ground and climb up
walls and surfaces, biting and clawing as they deal 6d8 piercing
damage to all enemies in the area. The rats continue to swarm
in the area for the next minute, dealing 3d8 piercing damage to
any enemy that ends its turn in the area and transforming the
area into difficult terrain (though the rats allow you and your allies to pass normally). You can Dismiss the effect.
@@WisdomCheck Damn! That does sound cool. Too bad they lost Gnaw (did they get an innate bite attack or the pouched cheeks? Sounds like a nerf without context)
The more details the better!
thanks for the in depth look at it. just wish what you were talking about/reading was on the screen the whole time so we could read along.
Hunh. That's what my goal was. I'm sorry I fell short. I'll try to pay more attention next vid.
The 20ft Vial heal on the Chirg is great. The bomber got slightly less complicated (good) via the vials and makes it even more of a better first alchemist for some. I am a little worried/curious to see how the regeneration of 10 minutes during any exploration is going to feel for VV's. But there are very few ways to actually increase the maximum which reassures me. Ultimately the decoupling of advanced and quick alchemy from reagents was the right call I think and now finally we can have a non familiar chirg!
At will abilities change the whole game of action economy that made alchemist feel at times pretty clunky. The focus more on vials over formulas should help people ease into formulas without being totally gimped until they know the usual items/tools to use advanced alchemy with. Especially for Chirg we have given consistent options and cut down on the number of items making them feel more like important choices where as before we had whacktons of items usually too many to use at high level by the end of a day depending on RF. Good Video Jake!
Yeah I have to agree with all that you said; some of it is a fresh perspective though and I appreciate that. I didn't realize this made SUCH a huge difference to the Chirurgeon. :) Thanks!
As an Investigator that was running with Versatile Viles for awhile, im surprised they gave it to Alchemist too, but very cool.
Im eager to see if investigators got changes to their alchemy path
Oof, that dedication change hurts my soul. I was going to mix alchemical sciences investigator, and Alchemists dedication, but now that they changed infused reagents into versatile vials, the idea is dead lol
Jokes oh me, that Improvise Admixture might be a bit nutty :eyes:
@@greenbowers8330 Do note that the Improvise Admixture is one use per day. So basically 2 extra VV per day by taking a feat and it uses an action.
@@greenbowers8330 The dedication isn't as good but the archetype is still pretty cool. Instead of making many very low level items, you can make a few on level items. I say "few", but really, it's more than enough imo
I agree, it is more than enough; plus remember that you can take Alchemist feats to get more if you need.
I'm going to suggest doing reverse alphabetical order since other channels are doing alphabetical.
Personally, I'll request Sorcerer because I'm playing one now.
Hunh. Ok, I get that (the reverse-order thing). Okie doke, I'll start researching Sorcerer (I like being thorough).
Love it --> GREAT Improvement
I have to agree. It's just the truth.
I have an dwarven nephilim cleric with the free archetype alchemist that is going to love this!
Oh hells yes you do!
Would love to see the oracle next as i have a villain i am making to face my party this week, and he fits the oracle thyme so well
The Versatile Heritages is already queued to come out tomorrow, but I can shoot the Oracle tomorrow and get it out Friday. :D
What day is your game?
@@WisdomChecklol! You gave your own comment a red heart:-)
lol I do with all my comments. It's easier to filter out my own comments on the back end if I do. The filtering options in TH-cam Studio aren't great.
@@WisdomCheck thanks, my game is Friday night and already have the character made, just need to change the abilities, sorry for late reply, feel asleep. If you do not get it out friday, that is fine, i will just throw a couple of Chimeras or a puzzle to my party do deal with if they happen to make it to the room before the boss before midnight.
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I'm really glad you like my work. :)
What info are you looking for in particular in case I run into a delay? The general functionality or the feats or the mysteries? Actually, I bet that it's all of those things because Oracles have changed so much.
Im digging the changes. Might want to make an alchemist... still undecided on what type though.
Bomber is quite flexible in combat. But so is Chirurgeon and you can still throw acid. Toxicologist will be the most difficult to optimize, if that means anything to you.
Any of them could be fun with Dual-Weapon Warrior so you can Double-slice with thrown bombs!
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@@WisdomCheckoh man oh man thats a great combo i didnt even realize...
@@Nercrontyr Hee hee hee yay!
I have a dope Plague doctor model that a buddy painted and I always wanted to roll a Chirugen that sounds like Chistoph Waltz from Django…. Or Inglorious Basterds.
Hahahah hell yeah.
@@WisdomCheck I’ll even archtype into gunslinger just to push the roleplay.
My play group always uses dual class. The updates to the alchemist got me laughing maniacally planning to pair it with fighter.
Holy shit fuck.
Dual Weapon Warrior too.
so with the healing bomb of the cherugeon, willingness of the target would determine the DC. Because you're throwing you'd have to make an attack roll, but if the target is willing then you'd just have to hit a 10, or its AC if unwilling.
I thought you could voluntaraly turn a degree of success down. Like if you miss an ally but don't crit miss, they can turn it into a regular hit. Same with regular hits into crits
I believe that's a house rule, but I'm not certain. I've just never been able to find it in print. It's a common house rule, though. How It's Played has a video where he uses that as a house rule for his own games.
Oh; doy, that makes sense. Thank you for clarifying @dargoz8.
Where is that Plague Doctor throwing a bomb picture in the thumbnail from? I have not seen it before and it super cool!
manoelacosta.com/
This is the artist whose watermark is on it but I was unable to find this specific piece of art. The image is from a Reddit post she made:
www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/yj9eyv/oc_art_zanna_plague_doctor_paladin_commission/
Freaking beautiful work though, I agree.
@@WisdomCheck Thank you.
They really nerfed the class archetypes in PC2, but also created a monster in the form of the oracle dedication. It's like they had two different design philosophies competing for superiority.
The Alchemist dedication is also amazing. But yes I agree with you overall. Oracle is best as an Archetype and it's quite useful.
I think the only reason to keep using Herbalist is for the fiction and if you still wanted to use nature and not crafting, but this does seem weaker now with the changes to both Alchemist and the Alchemist dedication
Yeah. Sadly. I truly liked the fiction of the Herbalist but I can't justify spending at least 3 feats on it now that it has very little benefit.
11:33 Everyone seems to just gloss over this. Am I wrong, or is this FREE HEALING FOR EVERYONE up to one vial over half hp starting at 11th level? When it loses the coagulant trait, you can do three per round, right? Just nothing but Quick Vials with everyone readying actions to drink them? Every other healing option takes 10 minutes, right? Does no one else think this is amazing?
lol you are NOT WRONG! This is freakin' awesome. I love the Chirurgeon's new POWAH in combat healing. And they can use it OUT of combat as well. TOTALLY good.
Did they reprint Quicksilver to have less down sides?
Nope. But it only takes you down to casters health and fort saves, so i still think it's worth it regardless (just stay at range and you shouldn't have any problems)
So now that Reagents are gone, what happened to that Familiar Ability?
It became these:
New Master Abilities
Extra Alchemy: Your familiar helps you brew items at the
start of the day. You can create one additional item with
advanced alchemy during your daily preparations. You
must have the advanced alchemy ability to select this ability.
Extra Vial: Your familiar accretes alchemical liquids in
its body. Once per day, you can Interact when your familiar
is adjacent to you to gain a versatile vial. You must have the
versatile vials ability to select this ability.
@@WisdomCheck Thanks! I wished Alchemist had a way to improve the number of Familiar Abilities
So if im understanding this you can go quick alchemy make a vial the use quick alchemy to use the vial you just made into something else (unless your s bomber in that case just throw) then third action to use it?
sadly no, you can make a vial with quick. that vial can only be used as a "regular" vial for that turn, the odd wording is saying that a cherugeon can use it to heal someone (via throw or hand off for drink) or use it as an acid vial. The change makes the class better because you dont have to wait till lvl 7 for perpetual, but you can only do "acid flask" or your classes special gimmick.
this does make them weaker in terms of infinite variety (bomber can still target weakness easier) but a cherugeon can whip out an antidote for everyone for free, but I think a good trade off in general
@@Pyroprogramer oh thank God I was so traumatized and trained to think hmm this would be good but it's on a alchemist therefore it can only possibly be the worst possible way of reading it will be accepted
I agree with everything you said. :D
lol it's better than that. This is a great change overall. It IS still a complicated class though.
Wait a minute... Did Paizo make Chirurgeon? They can pump out 1d6 HP per 2 seconds whenever via Quick Alchemy, if I read this correctly. That is so busted!
Edit: Nevermind. Coagulant trait
lol otherwise, yes.
Only reason to be an herbalist is if you don’t have the INT to take it
Yeah that's sad though.
One small question because it keeps bugging me since Paizocon. Someone there mentioned in the Q&A season that there will be a change for skill feat "eye for numbers" that they are excited for us to see.
Is it there, or did I misinterpret something?
lol that would be this laughable new paragraph in the feat:
If you count a specific number of items possessed by an
enemy, such as the number of coins or pieces of equipment
they’re carrying, you can use this information the next time you
Feint or Create a Diversion against that target within 1 minute. If
you do, you gain a +1 circumstance bonus to your check and can
use Society instead of Deception for the check.
Here's the entirety of that feat now in case you'd like to verify.
EYE FOR NUMBERS [one-action] FEAT 1
GENERAL SKILL
Prerequisites trained in Society
You’ve learned to quickly estimate the number of items in a group
with relative accuracy at only a glance. You immediately learn the
number of visually similar items in a group you can see, rounded
to the first digit in the total number. For example, you could look
at a case of potion vials and learn that it held about 30 vials,
but you wouldn’t know that it was exactly 33 vials, how many
different types of potions there were, or how many of which
type. Similarly, you could look at a pile of 2,805 coins and know
that there were about 3,000 coins in all. You can use this ability
only on items that can typically be counted, so you can’t use it on
grains of sand or stars in the sky, for example.
If you count a specific number of items possessed by an
enemy, such as the number of coins or pieces of equipment
they’re carrying, you can use this information the next time you
Feint or Create a Diversion against that target within 1 minute. If
you do, you gain a +1 circumstance bonus to your check and can
use Society instead of Deception for the check.
You can use this action during an attempt to Decipher
Writing that is primarily numerical or mathematical to gain a +2
circumstance bonus to your check.
@@WisdomCheck Now it makes more sense for this to be a society skill feat. I like it. Now it's another skill-substitution feat with a few flavorful but minor bonuses.
With how wacky it is I wish they went one step further and removed the limiter on what you can realistically count if you have legendary tier society. I want that high-level nerd character who can count stars at first glance or a Scrooge McDuck-inspired character with the ability to create a diversion or feint a dragon using the count of golden coins in its lair.
Hahahhaha good ideas.
I don't understand. Quick vial gives vial for free? It doesn't take one resource off of the versatile vial you make each day?( Those that are 2+ int). Btw toxicologist and poison in general suck hard
Correct! OR you can use Create Consumable (Quick Alchemy) to CHANGE one of your normal versatile vials into something else.
QUICK ALCHEMY [one-action]
ALCHEMIST MANIPULATE
Requirements You’re either holding or wearing an alchemist’s
toolkit (Player Core 287) and you have a free hand.
You can either use up a versatile vial to make another
alchemical consumable at a moment’s notice or create an
especially short-lived versatile vial. Any effect created by an
item made with Quick Alchemy that would have a duration
longer than 10 minutes lasts for 10 minutes instead.
• Create Consumable You expend one of your versatile
vials to create a single alchemical consumable item
of your level or lower that’s in your formula book.
You don’t have to spend the normal monetary cost
in alchemical raw materials or need to attempt a
Crafting check. This item has the infused trait, but it
remains potent only until the start of your next turn.
(As normal, you need only one formula for an item to
create any level of that item.)
• Quick Vial You create a versatile vial that can be used
only as a bomb or for the versatile vial option from your
research field (it can’t be used to create a consumable, for
example). This item has the infused trait, but it remains
potent only until the end of your current turn.
@@WisdomCheck thx. Why poison suck so hard though? I'd love to build a solid toxicologist
@@alessandrodellanno948 they gave toxicologist new Feats that make it easier to build a toxicologist but you're right to start off with they're not amazing. They're probably the most challenging Alchemist to build.
Does herbalist still get two per batch? That might be something
It gives you 4 healing items per day up to your level it seems.
Yyyyup. What @Folomus said.
@@mitchwinkens4030 Apparently you can take a feat several times for 1 extra daily item each time you take it.
@@WisdomCheckCan it be increased e.g. by taking the lvl 6 archetype feat?
Indeed. Here's that 6th level Herbalist Feat:
ADVANCED HERBALISM FEAT 6
ARCHETYPE
Prerequisites Herbalist Dedication, expert in Nature
Your herbalist talents continue to grow with use and you
have become potent at making even more remedies from less.
You can create up to 6 herbal items per day with advanced
alchemy.
Special At 10th level or higher, you can select this feat a
second time to increase the number to 8.
i can tell you the reason for herbalist. you want "free" healing items and don't have int 2+
lol ok granted.
But with sour cream. Lmfao
:D Hee hee.
I have no mouth and I must imbibe.
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