Honda mower gets more horse power and torque with an engine swap
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2021
- Links to products I have in my tool bag.
Honda Air Filter. amzn.to/3gPEGfR
Compression tester. amzn.to/2NMgeze
Spark PLUG TESTER. amzn.to/3jEcZH3
Inline Spark Checker. amzn.to/3bnXjmA
Feeler Gauge set. amzn.to/3rTsZK6
Chemical bottle. amzn.to/3eWcGVs
Lithium Grease amzn.to/3BAMsnX
Above are affiliate links which means we receive a percentage of the revenue made from purchasing products via those links.
In this video, we swap a bigger engine on this Honda mower. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Now you’re talking! That is exactly what this mower needed
You bet, now its a hundred times better!
Good job swaping the engine. Hope you open the old engine to see the crank and rod.
That's the plan!
Put a V8 on it 😂
@McGuire it’s a joke
A chevy big block v8 would fit perfectly
I don't think so Tim!! Lol
Hello Home garage I think it was a good idea to swap the engine
thank you Paul Burns.
I would definitely try to swap engines, however, you need to know I can take 2 perfectly good mowers and turn them into junk in just a few minutes. Knowledge and skill are limited but the enthusiasm is there. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for sharing
I was just about to comment on another Video if you could do an engine swap, but then this video released.
good timing
@@HomeGaragechannel Yes.
That mower was like my old bike when I shift gears. It makes a clanking sound when it goes.
Hello HG . Great job. Be sure that the lengh from the deck is the same on both engines. Diameters for the puley and clutch too. Good swap for everybody !
Thanks for the tip!
Great job. You made it look so so easy on that engine swap. 👍🙏👍🙏👍🙏
Thanks 👍 I appreciate it.
Yes I would. I have done an engine swap on a commercial walk behind. Good job looking forward to the rest of the series on this mower!!
thank you nashguy207
That’s awesome. Great fix. Love the in depth step by step.
Thanks I really do appreciate it
Another great video thanks mate for your time I really enjoy your channel
Thanks
definitely something I would do. awesome job with it. I love all of these informative videos. thank you. cheers
Awesome, thank you!
Great result mate. Worth the effort.
Thanks 👍
Once you get the blades and cut sorted out I’m telling you it’s gonna leave a beautiful looking cut. These Honda’s cut so nicely!
I absolutely agree with you
Excellent, & great filming. I did the opposite; I put a GCV160 on a high end HRX217. It is working great and, yes, three bolts will hold just fine although four obviously provides added strength. My donor engine came from a Husqvarna mower & was cast with just 3 threaded bolt holes. The GCV190 is listed as having 8.4 ft. lbs. of torque vs. 6.9 for the GCV160. So, about 21% more ...but both are tough engines & plenty powerful enough.
thank you for sharing your experience and nice job
This was a very good return on the price of that bigger & better engine - congrats. It's perfect that you had a clean carb and refurb'ed starter to put on the "new" GVC190. When you did the compression test, I'm glad you mentioned to spin the engine so that the compression release does not distort the reading. As an example, I recently tested the compression on the OHV Tecumseh 6 HP on my Ariens snow blower, and at first, I forgot about the compression release and pulled the rope. I got numbers around 50-55 PSI. Then I remembered what I was doing wrong, and plugged in the electric start, and I got around 130 PSI, which is not bad for a 2008 engine. I will have to use a drill & socket to spin my mower's engine some time and see how that one is.
thanks Tom Lewis, I'll have to come up with a sticker.
You are the best you always show me how to service an engine
thanks I appreciate it.
Hey HG. Good job and yes I would do the same if the deck is in good shape.
thank you Steven Chandler
Yes, if i could get a perfectly fine deck out running again by doing an engine swap, sure I would do it. I have done a lot of engine swaps thru the years.
I do have a lot of spare engines, as our poor weather in Scandinavia eats up the mower decks😅
that makes sense
Buy once, buy klippo ;-)
@@7eis exactly. Great mowers, if taken care of
In Quebec (eastern Canada) we've got about the same temperature swings as you get (+35C to -40C, even lower in the north as I've seen -48C personally), but I never got any trouble with mower decks; is it because you're nearer to the sea and the air is full of salt?
@@claudehebert3131 I believe you are correct
sounds much better now well done 👍
I completely agree with you on that.
Yay new engine!! it needed it.
I know right, best part was the price!
I actually picked up two mowers this summer for free. one from a neighbor and one on the side of the road, I have projects for both the motors. the first things for them just want to get them up and running.
nice, thank you McKais Kimmes.
Nice save. Engine swap yes. I just did it with two Troy Bilt pressure washers. Three bolts. Easy peasey.
thanks but The only problem with the engines they use on power washers is that the shaft size is 7/8" and not 1". Also I do believe the are also about an inch shorter than the ones on these engines.
Well done good clear instruction guide. Cheers Ed
Glad it helped
Great swap. Yesterday I bought what I thought was a GCV-160 to do a swap on a mower but it turned out to be a GCV-190 instead, I might have other plans for it now.
that sounds like a plan
Hey buddy, nice re-power for a great price. I volunteer at our local scout camp and have to repair push mowers and zero turn units seasonally. We have had mowers with rotten decks get scrapped and save the engine for another day. Thanks for all you do! 👍
nice, best thing you can do, save what's good! Thank you daphlavor
This man replied and liked every comment what a legend
It’s alive! 👏🏻
it sure is
I did this when I swapped out the Briggs on the Ninja Snapper for the Kawasaki. Kawasaki and Briggs are set up backwards as far as intake and exhaust so it was really interesting. Shaft size was different and the Deere the Kawa was on had a blade clutch which ended up making a fine blade adapter and a copper 90 degree sweat fitting ended up making another exhaust gas outlet from the mower to get the exhaust away from the plastic bag chute. After finally after everything got fitted it's run perfectly from then on. And yes, I'd do it again. Good job and Thanks!
very ingenious work.
@@HomeGaragechannel We all have to use what we have or go broke or everything stays broke.
Yes I try to do it thank you for the video
Thank you!
The swap was a good idea and got a decent price on it too. I hope you still take the other engine apart though just so we can see the damage. I have a garage full of good used engine parts. Mostly cause I can't help myself and break down broken engines into usable spare parts. I often sell them on eBay if I build up too big of a supply of any one thing. My wife just shakes her head when she looks at my wall bins and rolls her eyes as she walks by me. 😝
nice work, nothing wrong with selling on Ebay. Yes I plan on taking it apart to see the damage.
Wow, good job!
Thank you! Cheers!
Good job there
thank you Alan Lake
I pulled apart two Honda mowers , rebuilt one from the bottom up , and restored the other . One is now used all summer long at an apartment building I gave it to, and the other mower we have at home , still missing a blade !
nice work Ev an
This was an awesome engine swap, I´d do it exactly the same way in this case.
thank you V-G-Z
A great repair vid, I have one to do some drive belt replacement on. I think you should also suggest to measure crank length from bottom of engine mount face to shaft blade bolt up. I did an engine swap years ago and mower cutting was effected because crank was different length. It was not a Honda though. Just something to be aware of
you are absolutely correct.
Great job! I would like to see a rebuild on the old engine. Since most engines have carburetor problems from poor storage, it would be somewhat of a PITA, but it would make a great video!
if I recall the main issue, on this and most Hondas, was a lack of lubrication, from zero maintenance. The upper bearing, was absolutely trashed, because it's the furthest away, from what little Oil was available. To rebuild it, I would have to replace the upper back half, of the block or put a sleeve in. The first option, would be "economically" unviable, and the second would require machining, which I'm certain would not be cheap either.
How do we store the mower properly? Not to ruin the carburettor
I did an engine swap on my 25 year old snow blower a couple of years ago. Not much harder than yours, just had to make a hole in the belt cover. Again it was a higher horsepower engine. Works like a top.
nice work Darrell Bedford
Another excellent video.
Glad you enjoyed it
I'll tackle one thanks to you!
nice!
Easy swap. Good job
Thanks 👍
Great vid
thank you Michael Gonzales.
My dads Honda lawnmower has the 186cc GSV190 engine fitted as well & it needs a rebuild as it burns oil at 18 years of age.
Once it comes to engine swaps you have to know what you're doing with ride on lawnmowers (lawn tractors) because they have a PTO clutch fitted which needs a suitably sized generator on it to run it.
You need to decide whether you need a charging system at all.
As far as scrap lawnmowers go they get recycled in my area anyway,our local aluminium smelter recycles aluminium & I'm looking forward to hearing from them about work !
Nice, hopefully you get it
They are excellent mowers and yes I would do the swop of the engine
thank you Efrain Vazquez, and me too.
It sounds good and runs good 👍
thank you Heath Wilson
I've had the same mower for 12-15 years. This past year it started wearing out, loose drive train, motor smoking a little, etc. I decided to buy a new one and looked around. Ended up finding a free Honda mower on the curb that seemed in decent shape so I brought it home. It wouldn't run and I found the ground was loose. I fixed that and it started right up. Did some maintenance (oil, sharpen blade, adjust drive train) and it's working perfectly.
Would I do an engine swap? probably not. People in my area throw things out when they have even the simplest issue, so getting a free mower would be a simple FB Marketplace or Craigslist search.
you are correct. Than you Fix Until Broken
Yes, I would have no issues tackling an engine swap like this. Hopefully the shaft lengths are the same?
for this one, fortunately they were.
It's not hard to swap an engine. The hardest part about it is dealing with a seized blade adapter and reattaching the mounting bolts when installing the new one on the deck. This one turned out really well. I would have probably done the same thing with this one.
yes Sir
I would do the swap myself. I believe in trying things yourself as long as you feel you can do it.
that's a good way of thinking about it.
If you're the type of person that will change your own oil in your car or truck then you should absolutely swap an engine in your mower.
sure thing
Great machine makes perfect work👍🙏👋🇵🇭
Yes it does!
The Briggs & Stratton engine mount bolts are proned for heads to snap of due to galvanic corrosion from people leaving their mowers outside and rained on.
planned obsolescence
This engine swap was well needed, now. I have to ask, if you could have the ultimate personal lawn care setup, what-mower, string trimmer, and blower would you use. Also, what kinda trimmer line do you like to use, i like the Echo strait fire line, it cut really good.
Nice question. I would use a mid level honda mower, plastic deck and self propel, trimmer would be an echo srm225, blower would be a a high end echo backpack that mainly for the leaves. Stihl hand held for just grass.
@@HomeGaragechannel Wow I own all of these same lawn equipment best combo
Not a bad price for that engine since you already had another to take parts off of, and you can always disassemble the old engine and sell the parts on eBay to make your money back. This past winter I bought a 1971 Ariens snow thro snowblower for cheap but it didn't come with an electric starter, I found someone selling a junk one and got it for $40, which is what it would cost for a used starter alone, I parted out everything and made about $200.
nice work, I might have to do that.
Good idea , and you have spare parts left over.
Yes we do
Would love to see a vid about the transmission. When my Honda gets extremely hot it starts to slip. I normally run it on setting 2. When it starts to slip, I can use settings 1 or 3, but those are either to fast or to slow.
A couples of videos before this one, are videos where I open a couple of transmissions.
Blessings...
Is that a clutch/PTO for the blades? Have to say that's the first time I've ever seen that on a push mower. Is it a new thing or maybe just less common? Only push mowers I've ever used have been a straight shaft down to the blades (and belt drive to the front wheel drive). Either way excellent well put together video. I wonder if there's any noticeable difference in power (such as in tough grass conditions, tall/thick/wet, etc) between the GCV160 and 190.
Also to answer the question, as someone who does all my own work on my vehicles (aside from inspections and tires), I would for sure engine swap a mower. For me it's worth the learning experience and to have the job done correctly.
Thanks for the comment Ixionn, a clutch PTO has been around for awhile, mainly available for commercial equipment, but it was an option for residential grade too. Most people didn't buy them tho has the price was a bit then normal for it.
That’s good mower
Thank you Heath Wilson
Nice engine swap out. For a video idea! Could you take the old engine apart to see what the damage is.
That's the plan!
Depends on deck quality. An old Toro/Snapper aluminum deck yeah why not? Old beaten up, naa.
Question, have you ever replaced those carb bolts with a/an all thread and nut setup? All the gaskets and shields on that carb is a booger bear for assy..... TIA
not yet, I always told myself I would do it one day, and I never do.
Nice video! My only critique is that you missed having the drive belt pulley key installed at 8:40. If it's missing, the pulley can (most likely will) spin and damage the crank snout.
Thanks for the tips!
@@HomeGaragechannel, you're welcome.
Wow, just great job as usual. I restored a 71 MGB and don’t think I’d tackle that job. How long did it take you?
if I had to guess probably about 3 - 4 hours but I was also filming
Did you have a video on the transmission service you mentioned
no I don't
yes but only thanks to this video!
Thank you too!
I thought the breather tube is only a one-way check valve where is the crankcase pressure gets too high it releases I could be wrong but I didn't think that the engine suck in air through that valve but only expelled are if the pressure in the crankcase got too high
yes I think it only lets blow by air out of the engine and back to the air box.
Can you please do a video for a Briggs and Stratton for replacing the valves and piston rings? Like a B and S that’s typically on a lawn boy?
My video on my other channel will tear down a B&S engine to try and rebuild it, but in the end, the cost is prohibitive. The piston, rings, rod and both gasket was over $100. Even if you don't replace your rod, you said the valves need to be replaced? both of them cost as much as the rod so it's still the same price. For less than $100 you can buy a used mower with a perfectly good engine already
@@HomeGaragechannel yes. But I have a lot of scrap mowers and I’m trying to learn. Cost isn’t a deterrent for me. What’s your other channel?
It may have been the angle of the camera, but I think I saw the body around the motor flexing. It could be like you said . Bad blades or the motor has too much torque for the frame. I had one flex so bad that it cracked the frame.
can you give me a time stamp so I see it too?
@@HomeGaragechannel It starts right at 11:11 you can only see it on full seen. After watching it again I think it's an optical illusion caused by the pull rope moving back and forth. Watch it at the top of the engine and see if you can see it moving. Heck, it could just be my eyes fooling me.
The original engine being a over head cam . sounds like the cams might be bent or the valve stems might be bent also
possibly, we'll see when I tear it down
NICE
Thanks
Ive got the same model
cool
Nice quality video! Got a sub from me! I would sharpen the blades.
Thank you Michael Denton
I swapped over a self-propel system from one snapper to another snapper without self propel. Not worth the time, but kinda just did it for fun
I agree with you.
I wanna go this to a commercial Honda mower with the gxv 390. It would be a tank.
you got that right.
Quick tip: You should be able to find a blacksmith/machinist in your area that can sharpen and balance the old blade instead of replacing it, it will save you money and should be sharper than original + outlast the mower :)
thanks
Nice. You got the blades upside down, bud?
according to ereplacementparts dot com, for the hrr216 5vxaa, the lift blade is down and the mulch is closer to the deck.
@@HomeGaragechannel So you found out later.
@@HomeGaragechannel Good job, I was anticipating a problem with the carburetor because of the larger engine size which could’ve been fixed with different jets but by the time you’re done you could probably buy the cheap aftermarket carburetor cheaper
@@HomeGaragechannel Always look for corrosion outlines/wear patterns when reinstalling blades.
Ah.. you're a very smart person. I might have to see if theres a difference in jetting an throat size between the carbs. Thank for the video Idea!
Did you rejet the carb? I would think the old carb on the new larger engine might be a tad lean.
ah, I think you might be on to something
I got the answer on that cub asked about today he said he got it out won't even try to start he's gonna drop it off when it gets a little warmer here would app. Any ideas never had one do that I'll let you know how I make out thanks
I'd need to know more information, let me know when you get it, then we'll try to figure it out,
Thank you sir will b in touch your the best
I would like to know how it's performing please let me know how this engines working I considering doing the same thing to mine almost the exact same swap
when mowing season starts back up, I'll let you know.
I love adding power to things more power more power
I completely agree with you
My cousin Sam his son drag races of these engines are some engines some variant of this engine with a lot of power somewhere in Oregon is all I know
Sorry the Briggs & Stratton we use an eight horse pulling up Dungeness crab pots they're about 100 lbs about 40 to 60 fetal line
very nice
that makes sense
Just wanted to ask you mate, do you get any victa 2 strokes in America?
unfortunately no and thank you John Dallis for the question
I just paid $15 for an OEM carb on this engine. Even the OEM are super cheap on this one.
could you send me the link for the one you bought
My mower has been knocking like that for 13 years now and still runs. I’ve considered fixing/replacing it, but I just can’t bring myself to do it since it just keeps running.
Nice, 13 years, what brand is it?
@@HomeGaragechannel Craftsman with the 6.75 HP Briggs & Stratton 190cc. EDIT: I bought it from Sears as a "customer return". The first owner bought it new, ran it one time without oil, it seized on first run (obviously), he returned it. Sears said it ran fine after putting oil in it, so they sold it to me for $150.
@@NorthernChev isn't that amazing
I have the same 190cc briggs quantum freebie. it just keeps knocking away. I put over 50+ hours on it.
@@gdfschimpi007 nice, I don't think it's going to break anytime soon.
I am working on my neighbors honda hrx217. It has the adjustable throttle on the handle bar. The problem they said it had was, it would only run on choke. I thought that would be a simple carb clean and problem solved. I reinstalled the old carb and it would run off of choke but it wouldn't run smooth like a honda should. It wasn't surging but almost like a misfire. I replaced the carb with OEM. It still does this. I also changed the spark plug that was currently in it when I got it. It still does not run smooth. Do you think I need to replace the coil or is it another issue?
not yet, have you check the valve lash? also, is the gas tank filled all they to the top or is it less than that? also try leaving the fuel cap very loose, as a test. have you tried running I without the air filter, to run it out, and also to watch the choke flap?
@@HomeGaragechannel there is about half a tank of gas, and I’ve tried with and without air filter. It starts on the first pull every time, do you think valve lash could be the cause still?
possible, and it wouldn't hurt to check anyway.
I picked up a Honda HRR216vxa at the junk yard. I have put over $175 dollars into it for all the parts it was missing. It’s too late to turn back now. The problem I am having with it is, the engine vibrates uncontrollably at high rpm but not low rpm. I thought it might be a bench crank shaft but the vibration goes away when I engage the blades with the roto stop. I’ve replaced the blue bearing that attaches the blade adapter to the crank shaft. The motor does not have any weird noises or knocks at low rpm or when the blades are engages. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I would remove the top plastic cover/fuel tank, so you inspect the flywheel for any missing fins.
@@HomeGaragechannel I do not see any fins missing. Do you think it could be the second ball bearing that is closer to the engine? I can’t think of anything else it could be.
@@stormmosher5818 to be honest, without being there, I really could't say.
Yes I would
thank you!
I do motor swaps all the time. Whenever I get a mower with a bad deck it gets parted out and the motor is saved for another project.
Nice process.
No problem to swap the engine on my part however the cost ratio need to be favorable.
you are correct
We're did you get your compression tester I got one from harbor freight and it maxes our at 70psi I tried a brand new push mower with it to see if my mower engines are in bad condition but it caps out at 70 still so can you tell me were you got yours ? And I think k you mean crankcase breather not emissions tube
I do believe the link is in the description of video. I purchased it from Amzn.
@@HomeGaragechannel thanks
Sounded like the engine was running a bit fast. Possibly above 3600 RPM when it should be closer to 3200.
I think you're right.
Home garage is a small engine wizard
thanks I appreciate that.
Is this one auto choke or manual choke?
good old manual choke
What compression tester do you use
its a no name I got off of Amzn. the link is in the description
I have a craftsman lawnmower but the Self propelled is weak what could be the problem?
I would replace the belt, but more the likely the pulleys are also worn.
@@HomeGaragechannel where could I buy a new belt?
ereplacementparts dot com, enter your model number number, find the appropriate serial number range, and click on the link to your mower, the parts list and diagram will show up
Why you pour the oil out of a small engine like this, I'd find like an old 8x8 baking pan and sit that inside the oil drain pan, I've found when you pour the thick straight 30 or Xw40 or Xw50 oil out of a mower into an automotive drain pan meant to hold several quarts you really can't transfer the oil to another container to ger rid of it since it's thick and a half quart of oil just sticks to the sides of the big pan but an 8x8 pan is about perfect and you can pour the majority of it out without having to waste half a roll of paper towels to wipe almost a half a quart of oil that's spread out over an automotive size catch pan.
do it the way you find the easiest.
I would take the bad engine apart and replace connecting rod. Then you would have spare engine. Only thing that sucks is taking valve cover off that has sealant to remove cam to take timing belt off. And the flywheel.
you are absolutely right.
What was the engine model you used to look for a engine?
@@mgomez5606 I didn't look for any specific model number, I was just interested in finding "any" honda engine to swap over to this deck. I didn't mind if it was a push rod or timing belt engine
@@HomeGaragechannel Anykind won't work because the pto side of the crankshaft is machined for the blade clutch. Just wanted to know so I could look for one.
@@mgomez5606 hmm. I didn't know that, Let me go look at a second spare engine I have laying around. give me a second.
YOU GOOD 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
thank you
Running the governor up higher on the Honda mower has nothing to do with the engine failure I say with certainty running it on low oil was the problem
You are probably right
I have the same mower, same throttle lever issue. Did you find a fix?
You mean for the bad engine?
@@HomeGaragechannel The throttle lever falling out of position @ 11:53
Yes try tightening the bolt for the lever.
honda mowers are the best.
thank you Donovan Thoesen, I agree with you.