i wanna be open and honest here as a young boy i was scared of this game i never once played this game ever and i wanna be openly honest i am adult now and i still have a fear on playing this game can someone give me advice or atleast give me some confidents to play this game?
+luciddre4m Yeah, i agree :D Actually i fall asleep last night to it as i found this miracle. I think everyone who played Doom back then feels the same :)
+JustDSBM you can have an opinion all you want, but it doesn't matter, it's meaningless. Romero made DOOM, which a kinda a big deal, so his opinion has weight, yours does not.
19:10 - Romero gets a litte too trigger happy 25:05 - Romero chainsaws an imp and laughs 26:30 - Romero talks about the Doom release day December 10th 1993 29:00 - John Romero shows who's the boss 54:55 - 56:00 - John Romero has no idea where he is going... 1:04:15 - John Romero tells the story about his head being in Doom 2. 1:08:20 - Praises John Carmack as the best programmer he ever met 1:09:55 - Namedrops Pewdie-Pie 1:10:08 - Talks about John Carmack leaving Id and going over to Oculus 1:17:25 - Romero talks about what he would do if he made a new Doom today 1:22:30 - Romero talks about his feelings about Doom 3
I would have given anything to be a game designer back in the 80s and 90s. Games are so much more complex these days, but they're all built on the work of what artists like Romero did 25+ years ago, and the camaraderie, creativity, and eccentricities of the old-school game designers is rare these days. Now, games are made by hundreds of people confined to their cubicles, all taking orders and developing cookie-cutter games meant to appeal to the lowest common denominator in order to push as many sales as possible. And this is why I love indie games more these days.
Kevin Walter Except indie games which do exactly what you said in the first half of the paragraph. With the invention of digital distribution, anyone can make a game in any fashion they like, with no corporate oversight, and their numbers continue to grow every year. Shovel Knight. Don't Starve. Papers, Please. Cthulhu Saves the World. Without the ability to deliver the product directly to the customer without a publisher, none of these games would exist.
+Youa Numbah Oneah Racist Nah. Today's indie games are nothing like the indie games of the 90s. DOOM was, as Romero put it, state of the art. You will never see another state of the art indie game. The time has just passed for that kind of a thing. It costs too much money to make a state of the art game now. The 90s were unique because they hit that sweet spot where powerful, affordable commodity computers were available to kids working in garages and yet gaming was still in its infancy so budgets weren't that high.
+HowAbout NoSon Don't be so pessimistic, Minecraft and Path of exile are two games that did what Doom did back in the 90s. Sure, time has changed, the market has changed, people expectations have changed, but they did leave an impact. And yes, Doom is engraved in the minds of people that have played it, and it has also changed A LOT with the modding community. 2015 doom is not 1993 doom.
If there's an element Doom offers that most fps of today lack is the enemy turning around and shoot back after receiving a friendly fire. It's what gives so much replay value, for me it does.
Keeping dead bodies on the ground is CPU heavy. Xbox One and PS4 both have weak CPU's. We probably won't see many games that keep dead bodies on the ground other than Fallout 4.
"I can't release a 1993 Doom level (in the modern day)" Hey, uh, John Romero from 2013, your 2018-self would like to have a word with you, you're releasing a Doom megawad in 2019.
I just had the biggest nerdgasm, watching John Romero basically knowing everything about this game, showing every level inside out, and every secret area. Not to mention talk in great detail about developing certain areas of the game and such. Im impressed he still remembers all this crap after 20 years. He talks casually about all this, while punching imps to death at 6% health on nightmare difficulty.
They're playing on Ultra-Violence; nobody plays Nightmare because it's almost a joke difficulty. Also, monsters respawn on Nightmare, and move faster. Sorry. Had to get it out of my system.
John said they were playing on Nightmare when they are in the room where the lights go out. The light doesnt go back on, and he said he made it like that on Nightmare difficulty. But yeah, i didnt see any respawning monsters.
Crazy Eyes Lately I've been opening Doom co-op servers of the old classic episodes on Nightmare difficulty :D it's a lot of fun, you guys should join us with the Zdaemon port around midnights :)
Well, now that I think about it, they were playing on Doomsday (I think? I forget which port they used, and I don't want to watch the whole video again to find it), and most source ports have more customizable difficulty options. It's possible that they could have done Nightmare but turned off respawning and fast monsters.
John Romero seems like one of the coolest dudes to ever grace gaming - sure he messed up with Daikatana but that was just one failed project and everyone makes mistakes but it's ok because he seems to look back on that game really fondly, the dude is just straight up talented and incredibly laid back. If only he was still making more Doom levels today, everyone would be incredibly happy whether they're the incredibly modded type of level or classic style ones like he did back in the 90s, we'd all be happy.
Yeah, that's because modern level designers make simple levels and fill them with thousands of pointless trinkets and superficial details. They try to make something that looks real, instead of something fun. In Doom, they had to try to make something interesting out of... well, squares and triangles really. Sometimes, limitations are a good thing.
***** Graphical quality is a major selling point for most companies. You can't advertise gameplay enjoyment. Pictures are the only thing you can do to showcase your game, so they push pretty hard. Sadly, this is contrary to what actually makes a game fun to play. It just so happened that when Doom was new, increased graphical quality and level design complexity were one and the same.
For a 30-40 year old former low key celebrity, his voice doesn't sound a day over 20, but his tone has really improved from what other people recognized from his Daikatana days.
You guys both sound like hipster fools. IGN has MILLIONS of subscribers. Do you understand how many people 10 million actually is? Do you really, really think that they put out garbage constantly and millions of people are enticed to watch it? Or are you just being "internet cool boys"?
Cool video, thanks a lot. John Romero is very misrepresented by the media, or at least has been in the past. He is the real deal, a great designer, very skilled programmer and overall cool dude. His impact on gaming is very profound. One of my heroes, along with many others from id Software.
Is it just me or does this just reek of good level design? I mean, some of the ideas like showing you the "secret" and then letting the player work out how to get it was one of the things I loved about the first Dark Souls game. If you can see it, you can usually get to it. I haven't played DOOM in years, and yet watching this, I look back and see so many ideas and concepts that seem so amazing now in a world where we get mediocre experience after mediocre experience, and yet these guys did this shit back in the MSDOS days.
Epic Beard Gamer It is not "just you", my friend. :) I think the best part about Romero is that he really is/was "half coder, half CREATOR/artist". Beyond that, he was--at heart--a GAMER. He didn't turn into a corporate beast where it was all about churning out map after map after map or whatever. In other words, he had exactly the right kind of skill set going on to make a TECHNICALLY adept thing for a video game... but at the same time, not have it seem so ridiculously "sterilized" that it didn't feel alive and creative. Which seems to be the problem with a lot of game maps these days: they feel forced or just... sterilized. I actually designed 2 entire episodes of DOOM maps myself (not official of course, just my own), and although my work wasn't super duper uber epic, I remember getting a lot of great feedback, and people being inspired by the weird and creative design choices I made. :) For any who care, the episodes are called "Darkhell" and "Blakhell", and are probably available most anywhere Doom maps / .WADs can be found--free! :)
***** That's really cool. I've always admired the art that goes into level design. Honestly, I think that's why I'm so fond of DOOM and Dark Souls. Both show a great level of skill in making open ended asymmetrical levels that are aesthetically pleasing, and that subtly direct the eye toward key points of interest. Personally, I've never really had the patience to create levels or mods for games. It's just the kind of thing where my ambition outstrips my experience, and I end up giving up halfway. My creativity comes in creating music, and here too, the influence of DOOM can be felt. I've been creating metal music for over a decade, and for me, my music style has always been kind of like the DOOM design philosophy: scary-dark-fast. Kind of like how Romero made the kind of levels he would want to play, I make the kind of music I would want to listen to, and often, it's inspired by the high energy chiptune and midi tracks of old video games like DOOM and Mega Man. I'll def look for your DOOM episodes, as I just love seeing the kind of shit people come up with. It seems that games, like music, have this weird tendency where the more limited the tech, the more creative and interesting the things that people do with it become. Nowadays we have all this great tech to build games with, and it seems like it's just being used to make the same 3 or 4 games over and over again with a different coat of paint. Back in the early 90s, when tech was limited, you had all different kinds of games being made, all using what, in today's world, was pretty primitive tech.
Amen! I agree with pretty much 100% of what you are saying. Please feel free to share any links to your music with me--I'm actually pretty into independent artist's music... especially game reboots, for example, heheh! Also... you can find my work online via some people's PLAYTHROUGHS! I was literally shocked to see that recently... ... ...some people have been playing & recording both "Darkhell" and "Blakhell", lol. :D I should probably do the same sometime, maybe commentate a bit... just to see! :D
Epic Beard Gamer DOOM 1 and 2 have some of the best level ever designed ever. And like Romero says in the video. If you try the current best maps from the community, it's just insane what has been done with it.
The second-best similar experience is when Shovel Knight was speed run at AGDQ, and the developers were in the audience . They were watching the speed Runner tear their game apart in the most wonderful ways possible. Doing things that they never expected their game could do. It was brilliant to experience. That still takes second fiddle to this.
As would I.... although then I'd need to watch Daikatana. I'm still utterly amazed at the part in the N64 version where you go through a door, see Cerberus, an obvious boss fight, and then the fight doesn't happen.
DGneoseeker1 Sounds like a clear bug to me.. I actually have no clue about the N64 version other then the fact that it's a hell alot more linear than PC version. I never played the PC version back in the day because i never owned the game:D I bought it last year from GOG for about 3€ and there is something that like about it, and something i dislike about it. I can so see how the game failed due to bad management in the company, and due to it being a confusing creation of bunch of modders who changed very frequently (according to my knowledge). So something that someone might have started, he most probably never finished it. So some totally new guy ended up finishing it with a completely different vision than the guy who had started it (multiple visions on one object and weird outcome therefore). Then there was the thing that Romero wanted his "non-DOOM" gameplay in it. The melee fighting thing which he wanted the original Quake to be about. Honestly, if you ask me about it, i think Daikatana would have been a quite great shooter had Romero just stayed with the traditional FPS design instead of that more unfamiliar melee fighting RPG progression thing. I will probably finish Daikatana though, since i don't find too much to play now that i'm wating on Woflenstein: The New Order to release.
The PC version at least certainly had potential. Pity about the terrible AI "helpers"... And the fact that you're told that the two Daikatanas must never touch because it would break space-time, but then you literally duel with the big bad guy Daikatana vs Daikatana... and nothing happens. The missing Cerberus was probably a case of deleting content rather than a bug. I seem to recall the N64 version had some other odd changes, like not needing a silver weapon to permanently kill werewolves. And the demon summoning weapon not summoning a demon.
Man, it is 20 years already! This video made me 13 years old again... I have never thought, that I could be able to spend 1:30 hour watching video on the TH-cam and I could enjoy it rather than play any modern game...
Something I found amusing watching the gameplay from John Romero's point of view is that he was playing the game as though he were playing a deathmatch instead of co-op. ;) Lots of great trivia about the game from the man himself too. Definitely worth the hour and a half watch! :)
I'm so glad Romero has seen Brutal Doom. That is definitely the best Doom mod in existence by my reckoning. I think if it was released instead of Doom as Romero suggested, it would have been the most hated and played game in existence for at least a few years. I mean, that is sort of already true, but just to an even greater degree. I don't even know if Grand Theft Auto would have taken its place as "most-hated game by the general media" if that happened.
Brutal Doom imo is one of the best modsI have played for a game. It made Doom which was already a satisfying experience into what it really should have looked like, but due to tech at the time it couldn't happen.
1:08:50 is the brutal doom mention - and unfortunately the reporter doesn't seem to pick up on or recognize what Brutal Doom is (which is a shame as it's a thing of beauty all doom fans should know about).
DOOM 4 is awesome, and easily the best FPS I've played since Half Life 2, but I don't think it comes close to 'surpassing' the original DOOM games, for a number of reasons: -No ability to COOP the campaign -Also, poor multiplayer in general -Very limited modding potential... so far -Great level design, mostly, but not as ingenious or diverse as the originals -Personal gripe: poor sound design, on a technical level. The weapons sound really weak, and are often drowned out by the music (which is great, but intrusive at times). The super shotgun and plasma rifle, for instance, are no where near as satisfying as a result
The chaingun does sound pretty good, and I really enjoyed how it had to rev up to full speed. I honestly just wish the audio design was more balanced... Again I absolutely loved DOOM4, I just want id to improve upon the formula for the next game, and fix some of the more egregious missteps.
@matternicuss - I pretty much agree with what you said. Doom 4 is Great. Original Doom especially now a days in enhanced GZdoom/Zdoom with its plethora of mod capabilities keeps the game alive. But it's all opinion. They are both great. Mine is Doom 2 with enhanced features makes it a bit more enjoyable in the long run.
I'll have to disagree about Doom 3's Cyberdemon, I thought that fight was way too easy, and the Soul Cube was a really boring item to use compared to the rocket duel of the original.
Back in the time when doom was out circle strafing was not something every knew. This game taught you really well to circle strafe, from the imps, to the cacodemons, to the flying skulls, to the barons, and finally, the cyberdemon. It's easy because you already know it so well. It takes 2 hits to die from cyberdemon's rockets. Think about that for a second. You're taking your skill for granted, regardless where you learned it from.
Yeah, I hated the DooM 3 Cyberdemon fight too. He seemed a little too easy for an 18-foot tall cyborg hellspawn with an arm-mounted rocket launcher, don't ya think?
***** That's the modern games 101 though, make everything seem more menacing and dangerous while in fact the it's piss easy to kill, and giving a player a fancy outro where everyone is calling him a hero for killing a retarded, handicapped final boss.
Publishers creating games in general are treating people as if we are stupid and dumb enough to justify spending money on half a game. DooM and old school forever. BTW get the silkskin (I think that is what it is called to cause the Cyberdemon boss to be damaged by weapons again) mod for DooM 3.
This is probably the only game that doesn't seem to age. Get the OpenGL engine mod for some modern(ish) graphics and it STILL highly playable. The map design is still some of the best ever as well. Hardly anyone still does proper co-op like this too..
John Romero from this video actually seems like a really cool and laid back kinda guy. Maybe he just mellowed out when he got older, but that was surprisingly refreshing. Even when things got hectic or he got killed by Ryan he never raised his voice and had some interesting stories to tell. Doom/Doom2 really is timeless, I could fire up this game today and play the original levels or some custom wads and have as much fun today as I did back in 1995.
***** Yup also loved using Rocket Launcher and Double Barrel shotgun on them, so much fun, especially when they are in the air and each shot just sent them drifting away lol.
crashclashfever Actually, if you want to get technical, Maze Wars is the granddadyy of the FPS genre. But the game that broke into the mainstream was Wolfenstein 3d (which came out a year before Doom)
It was awesome! Seeing it when it launched made me go crazy. I played for hours and hours, skipped school, dreamed about it, went nuts. After playing the campaign, playing it online using cable modem was the ice on the cake. You had to call someone, using your phone, making it busy for hours and paying an ridiculous telephone bill hoping the connection would not get lost. Kids today will never know... :D
Most people call Doom the granddaddy of modern FPS games but for some strange reason I think of it as the great-granddaddy. I like to think Doom is the great-granddaddy, Duke Nukem 3d is the granddaddy, Goldeneye 007 is the father, and then you have the current generation.
I'd say your response is sufficiently on-the-nose for me to presume you and I are of the same mind with Doom (2016). I think it's very much like Classic Doom with its fast-paced game play, no cover, no hiding, just running and gunning. It looks gloriously updated compared to Doom (1993) and I think I'll prefer it over Doom 3, just because *that* Doom was not anything like classic Doom.
+Bluelunes i think doom 3 BFG edition is awesome why? Cuz you got both ultimate doom and doom 2 I mean I know the doom 3 isn't really that great but the fact that you got ultimate doom and doom 2 whit the BFG Edition was awesome
This was awesome to watch from start to finish. I'll never forget when my dad came home with the shareware version and we played together, it was completely terrifying to my 5-year-old brain. I've played countless times, have the soundtracks on my iPod, and whenever purchasing a new computer I have to make sure DosBox is available for the current OS, for those days when I just need to rip though some imps with a chaingun.
You can tell Romero was fairly emotional when he was talking about how much he missed working with the original team in Id’s glory days. Man, I bet those days were amazing. Probably sitting on cloud 9 with a 24 hour high.
There alot of awesome things Romero points out for what he did to make Doom so great but I like best with how he mentions making the idea to explore. Adding in those secret rooms and the many other paths you could take definitely added more to a game then running from Point A to Point B
+Ashley Johansson You forgot the mention the fact that gameplay actually existed in it. This was when FPS were abstract and out there, now it's just a military genre that gives you 3 weapons and some straight forward levels.
I dont normally watch these kinds of videos completely. But I watched the whole thing, because of how interesting it was seeing someone take a tour through a classic game with a dev.
John Romero seems like a pretty cool dude, thanks for the talk guys. I do miss FPS games [or game in general] prior to everything turning into a recruitment tool for the military or just being way too easy. I've been playing games for 20+ years, I don't need tutorials or hand-holdy anymore.
Really enjoying this, and well played Ryan for a great interview and not getting distracted by playing the game or being starstruck. Interesting listen that keeps pace the entire time. Breezed through the first hour without realising!
Thank you for creating the greatest game and genre of all time. Doom will forever be one of my all time favorite games. Playing on DWANGO was some of the greatest gaming moments of my life!!! -Wickedson, aka Slayer (dwango san jose, ca)
I would definitely love to see an open world Doom game. I think it would be an interesting experiment. Doom is known for fast paced action but imagine more of a lonely desolate planet with tons of mystery and spurts of demonic hellfire. Or essentially doing Doom 2 as a Hell On Earth type. The demons have invaded and the world is in shambles type stuff and you put things back together step by step.
Wizard of Ass Yeah I'd like some constantly demon fire in my eyes every time I join Doom. Imagine if you had to battle a cyberdemon just to change the difficulty of the game. Otherwise you're stucked in the difficulty you've already set.
SWINDLA87 According to "Masters of DooM", the very initial ambition of Quake was to be a "3D dimension" to let people play together. Then those ambitions were cut down and we simply got a real-3D DooM, nothing more.
They got John Romero to play doom with them, now they should get Gabe Newell to play half life with them
it's gonna be a 3 parter
@@imaginary9588 Gabe Newell can't count to 3,man.
Not gonna happen. Gabe Newell is too busy making games.
Arkanthrall dota 2 support isn't making new games:(
@@Arkanthrall I love Valve's fall line up this year.
"What's your favorite monster in the game?"
"I think the real monsters are the players."
+Baccar Wozat
Doomguy is the enemy confirmed.
+Baccar Wozat Running around shooting random people.
*****
Yeah, duh.
my favorite monster is the one that has all the guns
i wanna be open and honest here as a young boy i was scared of this game i never once played this game ever and i wanna be openly honest i am adult now and i still have a fear on playing this game can someone give me advice or atleast give me some confidents to play this game?
I could listen to John Romero talk Doom forever.
+luciddre4m Yeah, i agree :D Actually i fall asleep last night to it as i found this miracle. I think everyone who played Doom back then feels the same :)
want him to tell good night stories about doom
Give me more, Romero
GIVE US DOOM5
Sarcastic slob and then doom guy ripped through the spider mastermind the end
i miss the simplicity and goofiness of the 90s
+lulubeloo this
buy Doom 2016. It's a very worthy modern version.
Indeed. It basically brings back a lot of FPS experiences from the 90s that were lost through the past few decades.
What year is it?
I think yo mean a few decades, a century is 100 years XD
Nice that Romero laughs every time he gibs someone or gets a kill with the chainsaw.
Never gets old
I actually watched the whole thing and I must say, John Romero is probably THE coolest guy ever.
Me too
me three! and I agree. very nice man
I mean, he made DooM. Id say you would have to be pretty cool to create an influental game like DooM
Also the worst Doom player ever
This is like reading the bible with Jesus!
John Romero approves Brutal DOOM
sonicteam2k1 Who doesn't?!? :D
TexZK A lot of people oddly.
+JustDSBM you're not John Romero so your opinion doesn't matter
+JustDSBM you can have an opinion all you want, but it doesn't matter, it's meaningless. Romero made DOOM, which a kinda a big deal, so his opinion has weight, yours does not.
+sonicteam2k1 can you time stamp where he talks about brutal doom?
19:10 - Romero gets a litte too trigger happy
25:05 - Romero chainsaws an imp and laughs
26:30 - Romero talks about the Doom release day December 10th 1993
29:00 - John Romero shows who's the boss
54:55 - 56:00 - John Romero has no idea where he is going...
1:04:15 - John Romero tells the story about his head being in Doom 2.
1:08:20 - Praises John Carmack as the best programmer he ever met
1:09:55 - Namedrops Pewdie-Pie
1:10:08 - Talks about John Carmack leaving Id and going over to Oculus
1:17:25 - Romero talks about what he would do if he made a new Doom today
1:22:30 - Romero talks about his feelings about Doom 3
Colspex Thank you
It’s a sickening disease, I Remember Everything!
Thank you for this. The Chainsaw laugh was fantastic. : )
Are you a jib or gib guy??!?
You're a legend
This video needs to be seen by every Doom fan.
I would have given anything to be a game designer back in the 80s and 90s. Games are so much more complex these days, but they're all built on the work of what artists like Romero did 25+ years ago, and the camaraderie, creativity, and eccentricities of the old-school game designers is rare these days. Now, games are made by hundreds of people confined to their cubicles, all taking orders and developing cookie-cutter games meant to appeal to the lowest common denominator in order to push as many sales as possible.
And this is why I love indie games more these days.
Kevin Walter Except indie games which do exactly what you said in the first half of the paragraph. With the invention of digital distribution, anyone can make a game in any fashion they like, with no corporate oversight, and their numbers continue to grow every year.
Shovel Knight.
Don't Starve.
Papers, Please.
Cthulhu Saves the World.
Without the ability to deliver the product directly to the customer without a publisher, none of these games would exist.
+Youa Numbah Oneah Racist Nah.
Today's indie games are nothing like the indie games of the 90s.
DOOM was, as Romero put it, state of the art. You will never see another state of the art indie game. The time has just passed for that kind of a thing. It costs too much money to make a state of the art game now.
The 90s were unique because they hit that sweet spot where powerful, affordable commodity computers were available to kids working in garages and yet gaming was still in its infancy so budgets weren't that high.
+HowAbout NoSon Don't be so pessimistic, Minecraft and Path of exile are two games that did what Doom did back in the 90s. Sure, time has changed, the market has changed, people expectations have changed, but they did leave an impact. And yes, Doom is engraved in the minds of people that have played it, and it has also changed A LOT with the modding community. 2015 doom is not 1993 doom.
You might not like Minecraft, I don't either, but when it comes to the business side of things, i'm totally serious
+Kevin Walter
Get into Indie games?
Fantastic video! As a huge fan of doom this was really great to watch. Now i want to play again :D
Nice
Brutal Doom. GO.
Im a maaaaajor fan of doom aswell!
+xisumavoid explains the minecraft skin
Doot?
If there's an element Doom offers that most fps of today lack is the enemy turning around and shoot back after receiving a friendly fire. It's what gives so much replay value, for me it does.
I do hate when bodies disappear in games nowadays.
Yes, so unrealistic... ._.
Keeping dead bodies on the ground is CPU heavy. Xbox One and PS4 both have weak CPU's. We probably won't see many games that keep dead bodies on the ground other than Fallout 4.
Heretic had some body disappearing tho
"I can't release a 1993 Doom level (in the modern day)"
Hey, uh, John Romero from 2013, your 2018-self would like to have a word with you, you're releasing a Doom megawad in 2019.
And it's awesome.
I just had the biggest nerdgasm, watching John Romero basically knowing everything about this game, showing every level inside out, and every secret area. Not to mention talk in great detail about developing certain areas of the game and such. Im impressed he still remembers all this crap after 20 years.
He talks casually about all this, while punching imps to death at 6% health on nightmare difficulty.
They're playing on Ultra-Violence; nobody plays Nightmare because it's almost a joke difficulty. Also, monsters respawn on Nightmare, and move faster.
Sorry. Had to get it out of my system.
John said they were playing on Nightmare when they are in the room where the lights go out. The light doesnt go back on, and he said he made it like that on Nightmare difficulty. But yeah, i didnt see any respawning monsters.
Crazy Eyes Lately I've been opening Doom co-op servers of the old classic episodes on Nightmare difficulty :D it's a lot of fun, you guys should join us with the Zdaemon port around midnights :)
Anders Kristensen they were not on nightmare difficulty.
if they were, they could have not passed e1m2.
Well, now that I think about it, they were playing on Doomsday (I think? I forget which port they used, and I don't want to watch the whole video again to find it), and most source ports have more customizable difficulty options. It's possible that they could have done Nightmare but turned off respawning and fast monsters.
"It's a game called Doom. It has pentagrams" - John Romero
John Romero seems like one of the coolest dudes to ever grace gaming - sure he messed up with Daikatana but that was just one failed project and everyone makes mistakes but it's ok because he seems to look back on that game really fondly, the dude is just straight up talented and incredibly laid back. If only he was still making more Doom levels today, everyone would be incredibly happy whether they're the incredibly modded type of level or classic style ones like he did back in the 90s, we'd all be happy.
+DarkStarAngelo He just released a new Doom map about a month or so ago :P
+DarkStarAngelo Id should hire him one more time to make a DLC for the new Doom game haha
Apparently he enquired but they weren't interested. He does have a lot of flops since Quake to be fair.
yup, great map too. twitter.com/romero/status/688054778790834176?lang=en
+Robert Shepherd Can't blame him
Compared to the average modern FPS,a 1993 Doom level is groundbreaking by comparison
It's much worse in Wolfenstein, you actually "Umph!" every walls in the game ! (it's a rutting dog simulator).
oh really i didn"t know that
Yeah, that's because modern level designers make simple levels and fill them with thousands of pointless trinkets and superficial details. They try to make something that looks real, instead of something fun.
In Doom, they had to try to make something interesting out of... well, squares and triangles really.
Sometimes, limitations are a good thing.
*****
Graphical quality is a major selling point for most companies. You can't advertise gameplay enjoyment. Pictures are the only thing you can do to showcase your game, so they push pretty hard.
Sadly, this is contrary to what actually makes a game fun to play.
It just so happened that when Doom was new, increased graphical quality and level design complexity were one and the same.
there's a new game named dusk that's a 90s fan's wet dream
For a 30-40 year old former low key celebrity, his voice doesn't sound a day over 20, but his tone has really improved from what other people recognized from his Daikatana days.
Try closer to 50!
He's 48, right?
+Ederson Mateus Kohlrausch Yup
Romero was 26 at the time, people who are 40 now would have been ten when Doom came out.
That's the equivalent of reading the Bible with Jesus. Only... the opposite.
Phil Shary So you mean like reading Jesus with the Bible
Phil Shary Like The Nerconomicon with the Devil?
Phil Shary You basically called John Romero Satan right now.
Deroni76 He is the final boss of DOOM, so it wasn't me who called him that.
the broble
Wow IGN putting out good content?
You guys both sound like hipster fools. IGN has MILLIONS of subscribers. Do you understand how many people 10 million actually is? Do you really, really think that they put out garbage constantly and millions of people are enticed to watch it? Or are you just being "internet cool boys"?
Yeah seriously man, they're just joking with IGN, stop being so butthurt about it
@@kaylubproductions4517 I got mad too about him saying that.
i agree with dave yall are just a bunch of internet trolls that are probably just six year olds behind daddys computer
@@jake_the_snake7364 it's a joke
"If we released brutal doom instead, we would of destroyed the gaming industry"
haha
It’s actually... DAMNIT I FORGOT
He's not wrong.
Shallex forgot
I mean he's not wrong
Have
Best IGN video of the year.
You could almost hear the veins popping of all the Doom purists when John said that even after 20 years you can play it EXACTLY the way it was.
you got dosbox and chocolate doom
this is the doom equivalent of fishing with your grandpa
this guy (interviewer) is simply too awesome to be from IGN :v
I don't know, I think if I were John I would start to get annoyed with all of the praise and idolization.
lol
TheLiasas have you watched his alien isolation review? the dude is a total jerk
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(hablas español?, lo digo por el pacman :v)
He's not. Go watch the IGN Alien: Isolation review and you'll change your mind.
John Romero seems like a cool guy.
he is a legend
Icarus wingsofsteel until diakatana came out
Doom is one of the most timeless FPS games ive ever played. I didnt even grow up with it, i grew up with the game cube!
Cool video, thanks a lot.
John Romero is very misrepresented by the media, or at least has been in the past. He is the real deal, a great designer, very skilled programmer and overall cool dude. His impact on gaming is very profound. One of my heroes, along with many others from id Software.
Sandy Peterson?
I love how they're both trying to let each other get the powerups, so neither of them do lol
I watched this video in its entirety and I enjoyed it thoroughly. Thanks, John Romero.
The texture filtering is strong with this one.
Is it just me or does this just reek of good level design? I mean, some of the ideas like showing you the "secret" and then letting the player work out how to get it was one of the things I loved about the first Dark Souls game. If you can see it, you can usually get to it. I haven't played DOOM in years, and yet watching this, I look back and see so many ideas and concepts that seem so amazing now in a world where we get mediocre experience after mediocre experience, and yet these guys did this shit back in the MSDOS days.
Epic Beard Gamer It is not "just you", my friend. :)
I think the best part about Romero is that he really is/was "half coder, half CREATOR/artist". Beyond that, he was--at heart--a GAMER. He didn't turn into a corporate beast where it was all about churning out map after map after map or whatever.
In other words, he had exactly the right kind of skill set going on to make a TECHNICALLY adept thing for a video game... but at the same time, not have it seem so ridiculously "sterilized" that it didn't feel alive and creative. Which seems to be the problem with a lot of game maps these days: they feel forced or just... sterilized.
I actually designed 2 entire episodes of DOOM maps myself (not official of course, just my own), and although my work wasn't super duper uber epic, I remember getting a lot of great feedback, and people being inspired by the weird and creative design choices I made. :)
For any who care, the episodes are called "Darkhell" and "Blakhell", and are probably available most anywhere Doom maps / .WADs can be found--free! :)
***** That's really cool. I've always admired the art that goes into level design. Honestly, I think that's why I'm so fond of DOOM and Dark Souls. Both show a great level of skill in making open ended asymmetrical levels that are aesthetically pleasing, and that subtly direct the eye toward key points of interest.
Personally, I've never really had the patience to create levels or mods for games. It's just the kind of thing where my ambition outstrips my experience, and I end up giving up halfway. My creativity comes in creating music, and here too, the influence of DOOM can be felt. I've been creating metal music for over a decade, and for me, my music style has always been kind of like the DOOM design philosophy: scary-dark-fast. Kind of like how Romero made the kind of levels he would want to play, I make the kind of music I would want to listen to, and often, it's inspired by the high energy chiptune and midi tracks of old video games like DOOM and Mega Man.
I'll def look for your DOOM episodes, as I just love seeing the kind of shit people come up with. It seems that games, like music, have this weird tendency where the more limited the tech, the more creative and interesting the things that people do with it become. Nowadays we have all this great tech to build games with, and it seems like it's just being used to make the same 3 or 4 games over and over again with a different coat of paint. Back in the early 90s, when tech was limited, you had all different kinds of games being made, all using what, in today's world, was pretty primitive tech.
Amen! I agree with pretty much 100% of what you are saying. Please feel free to share any links to your music with me--I'm actually pretty into independent artist's music... especially game reboots, for example, heheh!
Also... you can find my work online via some people's PLAYTHROUGHS! I was literally shocked to see that recently... ...
...some people have been playing & recording both "Darkhell" and "Blakhell", lol. :D
I should probably do the same sometime, maybe commentate a bit... just to see! :D
Epic Beard Gamer DOOM 1 and 2 have some of the best level ever designed ever. And like Romero says in the video. If you try the current best maps from the community, it's just insane what has been done with it.
+Epic Beard Gamer Im born in 1999 and i have never played doom before
Why does this not have more views? Amazing concept to have the developer play along with you in a playthrough.
The second-best similar experience is when Shovel Knight was speed run at AGDQ, and the developers were in the audience . They were watching the speed Runner tear their game apart in the most wonderful ways possible. Doing things that they never expected their game could do. It was brilliant to experience.
That still takes second fiddle to this.
This video is priceless, don't ever take it down. EVER. I swear I'll be back here when I'm 70 to watch it.
And now he must be forced to play Daikatana to completion.
Both versions.
I would actually be interested in watching mr Romero play Daikatana while commentating about it.
As would I.... although then I'd need to watch Daikatana.
I'm still utterly amazed at the part in the N64 version where you go through a door, see Cerberus, an obvious boss fight, and then the fight doesn't happen.
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Sounds like a clear bug to me.. I actually have no clue about the N64 version other then the fact that it's a hell alot more linear than PC version.
I never played the PC version back in the day because i never owned the game:D I bought it last year from GOG for about 3€ and there is something that like about it, and something i dislike about it. I can so see how the game failed due to bad management in the company, and due to it being a confusing creation of bunch of modders who changed very frequently (according to my knowledge). So something that someone might have started, he most probably never finished it. So some totally new guy ended up finishing it with a completely different vision than the guy who had started it (multiple visions on one object and weird outcome therefore). Then there was the thing that Romero wanted his "non-DOOM" gameplay in it. The melee fighting thing which he wanted the original Quake to be about.
Honestly, if you ask me about it, i think Daikatana would have been a quite great shooter had Romero just stayed with the traditional FPS design instead of that more unfamiliar melee fighting RPG progression thing.
I will probably finish Daikatana though, since i don't find too much to play now that i'm wating on Woflenstein: The New Order to release.
The PC version at least certainly had potential. Pity about the terrible AI "helpers"...
And the fact that you're told that the two Daikatanas must never touch because it would break space-time, but then you literally duel with the big bad guy Daikatana vs Daikatana... and nothing happens.
The missing Cerberus was probably a case of deleting content rather than a bug. I seem to recall the N64 version had some other odd changes, like not needing a silver weapon to permanently kill werewolves. And the demon summoning weapon not summoning a demon.
You still didn't win the game, because you didn't kill John Romero.
The Original Gamer dude thats in doom 2
he did kill john romero though by accident lol
succulent bruh i know
He killed him like... 3 or 4 times xD
The Original Gamer cool
Noclip into the icon of sin and see johns severed head!!! :-)
Man, it is 20 years already! This video made me 13 years old again... I have never thought, that I could be able to spend 1:30 hour watching video on the TH-cam and I could enjoy it rather than play any modern game...
Something I found amusing watching the gameplay from John Romero's point of view is that he was playing the game as though he were playing a deathmatch instead of co-op. ;)
Lots of great trivia about the game from the man himself too. Definitely worth the hour and a half watch! :)
Holy crap, it's the guy from Ancient DOS Games, you rule, dude!
Well, did you think I'd miss out on a nostalgia-trip like this one? ;)
I totally play Doom the same way. Sooooo many hours clocked in playing death match
I'm so glad Romero has seen Brutal Doom. That is definitely the best Doom mod in existence by my reckoning. I think if it was released instead of Doom as Romero suggested, it would have been the most hated and played game in existence for at least a few years. I mean, that is sort of already true, but just to an even greater degree. I don't even know if Grand Theft Auto would have taken its place as "most-hated game by the general media" if that happened.
Brutal Doom imo is one of the best modsI have played for a game. It made Doom which was already a satisfying experience into what it really should have looked like, but due to tech at the time it couldn't happen.
1:08:50 is the brutal doom mention - and unfortunately the reporter doesn't seem to pick up on or recognize what Brutal Doom is (which is a shame as it's a thing of beauty all doom fans should know about).
*The worst doom mod!
@@Partial_Invisibility no
@@Partial_Invisibility how?
The only FPS to surpass Doom in the last 20 years was Doom 2.
Orange Zone I realise this comment was made years ago, but I honestly think DOOM 4 surpasses the 90s games.
DOOM 4 is awesome, and easily the best FPS I've played since Half Life 2, but I don't think it comes close to 'surpassing' the original DOOM games, for a number of reasons:
-No ability to COOP the campaign
-Also, poor multiplayer in general
-Very limited modding potential... so far
-Great level design, mostly, but not as ingenious or diverse as the originals
-Personal gripe: poor sound design, on a technical level. The weapons sound really weak, and are often drowned out by the music (which is great, but intrusive at times). The super shotgun and plasma rifle, for instance, are no where near as satisfying as a result
The chaingun does sound pretty good, and I really enjoyed how it had to rev up to full speed. I honestly just wish the audio design was more balanced...
Again I absolutely loved DOOM4, I just want id to improve upon the formula for the next game, and fix some of the more egregious missteps.
@matternicuss - I pretty much agree with what you said. Doom 4 is Great. Original Doom especially now a days in enhanced GZdoom/Zdoom with its plethora of mod capabilities keeps the game alive. But it's all opinion. They are both great. Mine is Doom 2 with enhanced features makes it a bit more enjoyable in the long run.
Orange Zone actually that’s brutal doom+ maps of Caous
oh the nostalgia...countless hours of 33.6K modem multiplayer with no mouse!
Talk about true pain and suffering
Can someone get Romero on the rogan podcast 3 hrs of talking minimum
my favorite doom creature always was the baron of hell. the sound of when he discovers you used to give me the chills as a kid :D.
Happy 20th anniversary to THE best FPS. Two awesome decades. Thanks Romero, and all of id.
Please make We Play Daikatana with John Romero. It would be very funny and educational.
I'd love to see one of these done with Doom 3 and John Carmack
because it's the doom anniversary right? otherwise i'd rather hear its commentary on Quake 1, 2 or 3 :)
I'll have to disagree about Doom 3's Cyberdemon, I thought that fight was way too easy, and the Soul Cube was a really boring item to use compared to the rocket duel of the original.
Back in the time when doom was out circle strafing was not something every knew. This game taught you really well to circle strafe, from the imps, to the cacodemons, to the flying skulls, to the barons, and finally, the cyberdemon.
It's easy because you already know it so well. It takes 2 hits to die from cyberdemon's rockets. Think about that for a second. You're taking your skill for granted, regardless where you learned it from.
Yeah, I hated the DooM 3 Cyberdemon fight too. He seemed a little too easy for an 18-foot tall cyborg hellspawn with an arm-mounted rocket launcher, don't ya think?
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That's the modern games 101 though, make everything seem more menacing and dangerous while in fact the it's piss easy to kill, and giving a player a fancy outro where everyone is calling him a hero for killing a retarded, handicapped final boss.
Publishers creating games in general are treating people as if we are stupid and dumb enough to justify spending money on half a game. DooM and old school forever. BTW get the silkskin (I think that is what it is called to cause the Cyberdemon boss to be damaged by weapons again) mod for DooM 3.
Never thought I'd see a 3 year comment by _Gregzilla_ on a Doom video.
This is probably the only game that doesn't seem to age. Get the OpenGL engine mod for some modern(ish) graphics and it STILL highly playable. The map design is still some of the best ever as well. Hardly anyone still does proper co-op like this too..
John Romero from this video actually seems like a really cool and laid back kinda guy. Maybe he just mellowed out when he got older, but that was surprisingly refreshing. Even when things got hectic or he got killed by Ryan he never raised his voice and had some interesting stories to tell. Doom/Doom2 really is timeless, I could fire up this game today and play the original levels or some custom wads and have as much fun today as I did back in 1995.
My favourite game of all time, and forever!
I love this game
1:08:51 It's funny to hear John Romero likes Brutal Doom ^_^
The Cacodemon is my favorite Doom monster too, they are just so interesting and they look awesome!
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Yup also loved using Rocket Launcher and Double Barrel shotgun on them, so much fun, especially when they are in the air and each shot just sent them drifting away lol.
KopyKat007 aww ay bur 🐻
sometimes i wish i was around when doom was released but im glad to experience it now
That's good. It's the granddaddy of all the FPS games, so your playing a great FPS game. (First Person Shooter)
crashclashfever Actually, if you want to get technical, Maze Wars is the granddadyy of the FPS genre. But the game that broke into the mainstream was Wolfenstein 3d (which came out a year before Doom)
It was awesome! Seeing it when it launched made me go crazy. I played for hours and hours, skipped school, dreamed about it, went nuts. After playing the campaign, playing it online using cable modem was the ice on the cake. You had to call someone, using your phone, making it busy for hours and paying an ridiculous telephone bill hoping the connection would not get lost.
Kids today will never know... :D
Most people call Doom the granddaddy of modern FPS games but for some strange reason I think of it as the great-granddaddy. I like to think Doom is the great-granddaddy, Duke Nukem 3d is the granddaddy, Goldeneye 007 is the father, and then you have the current generation.
along with wolfenstein 3D
Amaaaaaazing video! Thank you VERY MUCH for this, IGN!
Starting to watch now, bracing for epicness.
And I can only watch at home :(
And I can only watch at home :( (2)
This is the best thing. Seriously.
I wonder what Romero thinks of the new doom
QualityKid It wasn't bad, but I agree it wasn't doom
+pinkfloydfan123 Will you elaborate on how Doom (2016) isn't Doom?
I'd say your response is sufficiently on-the-nose for me to presume you and I are of the same mind with Doom (2016). I think it's very much like Classic Doom with its fast-paced game play, no cover, no hiding, just running and gunning. It looks gloriously updated compared to Doom (1993) and I think I'll prefer it over Doom 3, just because *that* Doom was not anything like classic Doom.
+Bluelunes i think doom 3 BFG edition is awesome why? Cuz you got both ultimate doom and doom 2 I mean I know the doom 3 isn't really that great but the fact that you got ultimate doom and doom 2 whit the BFG Edition was awesome
me to
This was awesome to watch from start to finish. I'll never forget when my dad came home with the shareware version and we played together, it was completely terrifying to my 5-year-old brain. I've played countless times, have the soundtracks on my iPod, and whenever purchasing a new computer I have to make sure DosBox is available for the current OS, for those days when I just need to rip though some imps with a chaingun.
I love you, Mr. Romero! *^O^*
(( As, a way to say I'm very, very, VERY thankful that you and your crew made this game. ))
You can tell Romero was fairly emotional when he was talking about how much he missed working with the original team in Id’s glory days. Man, I bet those days were amazing. Probably sitting on cloud 9 with a 24 hour high.
There alot of awesome things Romero points out for what he did to make Doom so great but I like best with how he mentions making the idea to explore. Adding in those secret rooms and the many other paths you could take definitely added more to a game then running from Point A to Point B
What an awesome video. Great job! What an experience, to play with the man himself
Awesome hearing John give stories about the development of the game.
Gotta love how humble John is.
I've seen that video in search results and in Recommended for 7 years and finally watched it. Now that Doom is nearly 30 it's even more meaningful.
what an excellent interview. im a huge doom fan. can't say enough great things about john romero and how he and the id team transformed gaming
i wish i could get as good as John Carmak. The guy is a programming god!
This interviewer is great and I love this format of playing through the game simultaneously
Dude when the lights went out in E1M3 I damn near had a heart attack... so frightening
loved this one, thanks guys! :D
+Ashley Johansson
You forgot the mention the fact that gameplay actually existed in it. This was when FPS were abstract and out there, now it's just a military genre that gives you 3 weapons and some straight forward levels.
Your describing wolfenstien very well.
Thanks for this great clip, watch the hole thing with joy!
I dont normally watch these kinds of videos completely. But I watched the whole thing, because of how interesting it was seeing someone take a tour through a classic game with a dev.
The quote about games being boring when they become predictable is so very, very true. Nice one, John Romero.
John Romero seems like a pretty cool dude, thanks for the talk guys.
I do miss FPS games [or game in general] prior to everything turning into a recruitment tool for the military or just being way too easy. I've been playing games for 20+ years, I don't need tutorials or hand-holdy anymore.
I hope you played Doom 2016
Thank you for this video! It was so great to hear directly from John Romero about the epic game that defined a genre. Brilliant!
This was an interesting video, pointing out some cool stuff I didn't know about my all-time favourite game! Thanks Romero and company!
Awesome - it would be great to see more interviews done this way.
Cool video. Nice concept, playing the game with one of it's famous devs. Well done!
This was amazing!
Thank you for posting this
Man I could just listen to any one of the John's anyday. They have so much to tell and such an inspiration.
This video should just be the doom 4 trailer.
So jealous, I'd absolutely love to play Doom with Romero. Awesome and interesting video :)
Nice! Lots of hours playing DOOM II back in 90th ) Thank you for the game and video!
I still come back to watch this video from time to time. It's Romeros best interview imo.
Thank you, ID Software.
This was great!
Really enjoying this, and well played Ryan for a great interview and not getting distracted by playing the game or being starstruck. Interesting listen that keeps pace the entire time. Breezed through the first hour without realising!
Awesome! Great job Ryan, very fun and natural talk enjoyed it!
the texture filtering emotionally scarred me
'i started to see bodies disapeaar, i always hated that'
damn you doom 3 :( i hate that too
this is totally awesome. Thanks for this !
Oh please do episode 2, this was great!
best IGN video I've seen
I'm glad John did this interview, he's a good sport. He was such a creative guy, I wonder how much better Id would be today if he hadn't left.
Epic. Informative. Thanks, John (and IGN).
Thank you for creating the greatest game and genre of all time. Doom will forever be one of my all time favorite games. Playing on DWANGO was some of the greatest gaming moments of my life!!!
-Wickedson, aka Slayer (dwango san jose, ca)
This might be the best thing IGN has ever done.
Dude hypertemisia is a rare brain "gift". That's awesome
Except when you see something you didn't want to see or if something happened that you didn't want to happen.
I would definitely love to see an open world Doom game. I think it would be an interesting experiment. Doom is known for fast paced action but imagine more of a lonely desolate planet with tons of mystery and spurts of demonic hellfire.
Or essentially doing Doom 2 as a Hell On Earth type. The demons have invaded and the world is in shambles type stuff and you put things back together step by step.
Wizard of Ass Open world Doom ? Just ...no !
John Romero thinks it's cool. And I agree. Lol.
Wizard of Ass Yeah I'd like some constantly demon fire in my eyes every time I join Doom. Imagine if you had to battle a cyberdemon just to change the difficulty of the game. Otherwise you're stucked in the difficulty you've already set.
SWINDLA87 According to "Masters of DooM", the very initial ambition of Quake was to be a "3D dimension" to let people play together. Then those ambitions were cut down and we simply got a real-3D DooM, nothing more.
***** that sounds like a cool wad.
What a nice video footage. Good work :)
Twenty years have passed, and I still can't quit this game. What a masterpiece.