"The tighter you squeeze, the more star systems that will slip through your fingers." Nothing unites different groups of people like a common foe, especially one that has blood from all the groups involved.
"A Vulcan's going to do what a Vulcan's going to do... But the Andorians.. They were happy to supply us the phasers." -Admiral Samuel Travis, Prelude to Axanar
@@rolandet Nope, CBS copyright trolled it out of existence. Their new rules allow for 15 minute "movies" and the Axanar people were planning to do two. Nothing like the original was meant to be.
Humanity: Let us spread out wings! We need to learn how to run before we walk! Vulcans: Alright, fine. Just don't... Humanity: *picks a fight immediately* Vulcans: ... Vulcans: Why did you... Humanity: *Unites most local powers into a coalition* Vulcans: Okay that's a bit better... Humanity: *picks another fight with a different empire* Vulcans: Okay I don't know how to talk to you.
Humanity: Ok, it won’t happen again! *later in the Mid-24th Century* Humanity and Klingons: *Picks up a fight against the dominion* Vulcans: Wait, I thought we talked about this? Humanity: They are invading Bajor! Klingons:... don’t ask us, we just go along with it..
Here's another one... United Earth Government: Finally, all of humanity is united under one social government! Mar Colony: (cough: bull$%!^) Uh, did you forget this? -- Fundamental Declarations of the Martian Colonies...and btw, Molon Labe.
Like all successful Hollywood productions that inexplicably end prematurely, i suspect that certain ideas about society, morality and culture (Which Trek explores a lot of) were gaining too much traction in the public consciousness for certain elites' liking.
@@robbierobinson4110 That elite was Rick Berman. He very involved with Enterprise and more hands off with DS9, very sexist and homophobic, took the helm of showrunner up to Season 3 of Trek, and told writers and actors to tone down content.
@@23GreyFox eh, not really. Ent is better than STD and Picard (and JJTrek), but those are failings of cash grabs. They aren't meant to build fanbases and culture around them, they're meant to drain a franchise's goodwill quick for some fast cash. ENT is still fairly badly made, and breaks TOS canon in some places
I think a logical one to do next about the early years of Starfleet, would be the surprising bond forged between them and the Andorians. I kinda thought they would be the next race after the Vulcans, but I guess the Romulans does make sense.
The Romulans should have paid closer attention to the early relations between Earth and Vulcan particularly the elements of EarthGov frustrated with what they felt to be the Vulcans holding them back. The Tal'Shiar could have covertly reached out to these Earthmoving members and offered the tech that fbe Vulcans were keeping from them. They would of course, know everything about this tech. Subvert and co-opt. Before anyone knew what was happening, the Sol System would've been beholden to the Romulan Star Empire. I would love a sort of Star Trek Elseworlds story where something like this happened.
Humans are just too unpredictable and "hold my beer" type species. Tal Shiar perhaps had some contacts with the Earth government UNDER THE TABLE, but later they probably realized that humans are the best to be left alone.
Okay, an Elseworlds Mirror Universe Story where the RSA immediately begins subverting EarthGov (isn't that a B5 reference? Whatever). . The Mad Pirate Zefram "Big Z" Cochrane stood over the remains of the dead knife-ears. Raiding the technology of their warp-capable shuttle, he sets about reunifying the scattered fragments of the once glorious Grand Empire after its betrayal by Khan Noonien Singh, the man that should have been their savior. With the technology to make advanced personal energy weapons for his new Elite Guard of Helena, he sweeps across the Western Hemisphere in a mere decade, and soon has low orbit craft with energy weapons attacking the European Dominion. In a week, London falls, and the upstart self-proclaimed ruler is eliminated. Dr. Soong is soon found, and Emperor Cochrane declares him and all Augment Technology too dangerous for the Empire to risk using again in such numbers, and Soong is eliminated. Within his own lifetime, Cochrane becomes the first true Emperor of Earth since the Augment Wars. The planet is unified, but the mysterious knife-ears never appear again before his assassination by his own concubine, who declares herself Empress of Earth. . The more-disciplined Romulans hear about this race of savages from their informants in the Vulcan government, and decide to go have a look. Simple bobbing of the ears is all that's done for infiltration, and they realize that this war-like race of apes are much like they used to be, and a potential rival.. or a potential tool in their quest to expand the Romulan Star Empire. After all, they'd make great foot soldiers and lower ranked crew.. but, how to do this? . The Romulan Star Empire watches and plans as the Earth Empire attacks and reconquers its Martian Colony, then subjugates the colony on Titan and moves to terraform Ganymede, before building a military outpost on Pluto. They've secured their own solar system, and mastered the primitive, small scale warp drives the Vulcan shuttle had used, giving them the ability to get anywhere within their own solar system in hours or a couple of days. They're at the cusp of colonizing other solar systems - and this is when the Romulans make their presence known. . "The Vulcans will enslave you." They warn. "But we wish to help you against our mutual, hated enemy. They have not forgotten that you killed their people sixty years ago, they are merely waiting for you to do all the work for them before they invade and conquer you." The new Emperor of Earth, who's position, too, was manipulated into being by Romulan agents, takes this offer seriously. After all, conquest by force of arms isn't the only answer to expansion. The Romulans don't realize it, but he's plotting to stab them in the back - a practice significantly decreased since the Augment Wars, but still done to an extent. First, he needs to embrace the concept of the Carpetbagger and Yankee Peddler - get them to give him what he wants, and make them think Earth is not only getting a raw deal, but let the Romulans leave thinking they've won. . The Emperor and his closest confidants arrange to have their own spies counter-infiltrate the Romulans through an arranged exchange of "labor for goods" - Earthlings provide "free" labor to the Romulans, and the Romulans give the Earthlings some twice-outdated technology in return. People that are experts in acting stupid, or being seductive, become house servants, concubines, and more to Romulan senators, admirals, and generals, with a particular spy who's name becomes lost to Imperial history code-named Mata Hari becoming the human "private escort" to the 4th most-senior member of the Tal'Shiar High Command. Enjoying their human slaves, whom their own government doesn't seem to care about, the Romulans very quickly become complacent. Earthlings now do all the hard and dirty work, while the Romulans give them outdated technology that would leave them at a significant disadvantage against any Vulcan vessels. . The Earth Empire, however, is already fully aware that their "new friends" think they're cheating them, but the technology they're getting is far superior to the reverse-engineered Vulcan shuttle tech. Soon, Earth begins constructing the ISS Intrepid in 2115 - the name selected as a message, and to honor an American Empire ship from the time of the American Revolution. The first serious star ship, using the tech the Romulans gave them, but with their own improvements, it should be capable of Warp 3.2 for a short time. No match for a Warp 4 Romulan Frigate, but better than nothing. Primitive laser weaponry, and a devastating biological "injection torpedo" round out the arsenal. The goal? Piracy of the highest order - they would "prove" to their "Romulan sponsors" that they could fight the Vulcans, by raiding lone Vulcan ships. Intrepid and her sister ISS Revenge do just that, but they intentionally attack Vulcan civilian ships, making sure to radiate Romulan-like warp signatures. . Meanwhile, the Earth Empire discovers Denobula. Seeing a chance to make their own Client State, they don't bother to invade, they simply state that "in the name of the Romulan Empire," Denobula belongs to them. Since the Denobulans didn't have a very organized military, a simple demonstration of Earth's Weapons of Mass Destruction - a Chemical Weapon on one city, a Biological on another, and a Radiological "Super Dirty Bomb" on a third is all that's needed. The Denobulans are quickly made clear that it is Earth, not Romulus, that they answer to. The Romulans, of course, see this as a threat - Earth is growing too bold, they fear, but the Earth Empire reassures them that this means more slaves for Romulus, and "taking initiative" is something that Earthlings have as a common racial trait. Placated, but wary, the Tal'Shiar begins drawing up plans to sabotage Earth's manufacturing capability, and blame it on the "hated" Vulcans. . Mata Hari warns Earth of what's to come. Intrepid and Revenge are ready, but they are only two capital ships. The next generation of ship is still to come, and under secret development at Luna Station, the Warspite Class. Using technology again stolen from the Vulcans, and now assisted by the Denobulans, the Earth Empire prepares to complete the betrayal of the Romulans in spectacular fashion - by genocide. By 2137, the first of the new class, ISS Warspite, is ready. However, Warspite herself is a Trojan Horse. Using sensor signal emitters, the devious Earth Empire makes it seem like Warspite has a powerful M/AM engine and nacelles that should be Warp 5 capable, and an armament system with extraordinarily powerful beam weaponry. . It's all a ruse. Warspite has a different mission. Sent to Romulus to show off to their erstwhile allies the fruits of Earth labor, and promising them a fleet of these to use in the expansion of the Romulan Empire, the Romulan Advisor sent aboard is taken hostage. Warspite has a tiny crew, barely enough to run her, and they're all volunteers - for a suicide mission. Approaching Romulus, Warspite's crew forces the now-tortured Romulan to signal all clear and let the ship past the Home System Defenses. While approaching standard orbit, Warspite's engines come to life at full power. Yes, she's capable of speeds of Warp 5, but only for a brief moment, before her engine overloads. Jettisoning escape pods and taking their chances, Warspite's crew aims the ship at the Romulan capital city, engages the engines, and warps the ship into the planet at just under Warp 5. . Devastation is total. . Everywhere across Romulan client worlds and colonies, the "slaves" ruse is over, and these specially trained military operatives begin massive resistance and revolutionary activities, spurring other slaves and "pet species" of the Romulans to do the same. Romulan High Command ceases to exist, and the system commanders, lacking any control from Romulus, panic and fall into disorder. . A month later, a massive invasion fleet led by Intrepid and Revenge, along with all of the Earth Empire's lesser ships, each one bloated with landing and boarding parties, reach the borders of the Romulan Star Empire. World after world is brought down, Romulan ships are captured, bio-injection torpedoes used to kill their crews. Repaired and rebranded as Earth Empire property, they're turned against their former masters. Within three years, almost all of the Romulan Star Empire's holdings are absorbed by the United Earth Empire. By 2150, the UEE is ready to christen their new Warp 5 capable ship, the NX-type ISS Enterprise class, with heavily adapted Romulan weapons, engines, shields, and most importantly, cloaking technology. . Instead of the conquest of Vulcan, Andor, and Telar Prime, the UEE has absorbed the much larger Romulans as well as Denobula, and now have THEM as their slaves. They stand poised in the mid-2100's as one of the largest empires by territory in the known galaxy, with a fleet of ex-Romulan ships at their disposal, as well as a new series of updated and improved domestically-produced vessels that incorporate improvements to those designs, now a serious threat to the Klingons, and a significant threat to the other local powers...
So essentially Earth is the plucky young Shonen Anime protagonist who swans onto the scene and defeats the ridiculously threatening and well-prepared Big Bad with the power of friendship. Lovely. xD
Well, Gene Roddenberry did based his depiction of his idealized version of humanity based what he perceived to the best aspects of the USA and the defunct USSR. Both of which, (especially the former) exhibited traits of being essentially Shonen Anime protagonist IRL, in nation-state form.
@Tesla-Effect Though their starships are weapons of mass destruction, that they do use, but like all good boys and girls use violence as a last resort after every other option.
As Theodore Roosevelt was wont to say: "Speak softly and carry a big stick." Basically meaning, be diplomatic, but have the forethought to have weapons ready in case things mess up. (Comes with the caveat that you can never use the weapons first or you become the bully in the eyes of everyone else watching.)
@@occultatumquaestio5226 Excuse me, but the United States is not an orphan and that is practically a requirement for a shonen anime protagonist. We did not abandon you, nor are we dead. You fuckers just went all angsty rebellious teen on us and started throwing our tea out screaming "get out of my room dad" when we asked you to pay a bit more rent money. Mostly to pay for the damage your French friends did while we were on holiday.
Super Genius! Though nobody could a have predicted that a lost Federation ship would use an unknown alien network to download a sentient holographic doctor into a captured ship and kill off the Romulan boarders. Even the most paranoid Romulans couldn't have seen that coming.
Yeah, underestimating an enemy is bad. Overestimating an enemy and letting them run amok, because you're afraid to intercede, is also bad. Know your enemy and know yourself.
@Atheos B. Sapien If I was quoting Sun Tzu I'd have put up the actual quote. "Know other, know self, hundred battles without danger; not knowing other but know self, one win one loss; not knowing other, not knowing self, every battle must be lost." But Sun Tzu himself was just repackaging a common saying, "Know your enemy and know yourself." that had been around long before he was born. The actual saying is better than Sun Tzus reinterpretation of it into a bizarre assertion that people can not blunder blindly to victory. Now you know something.
@Atheos B. Sapien Dude, only illiterate bumpkins wouldn't know that line comes from Sun Tzu. It doesn't _need_ a citation at this point. It's like demanding a citation for "No, Luke: _I_ am your father"; it just makes you seem stuffy and anal.
A subject for another Enterprise-era video occurred to me when you were talking about how the Romulans saw Earth as the unifying force of the coalition, and thus targeted mainly Starfleet vessels. Of course, at this early stage the UFP hadn't been formed and Starfleet was still a solely-Terran outfit - and yet the other races had their own ships in the coalition as well... The question popped into my head: _"Where did they learn how to fly those ships, if not at Starfleet Academy...?"_ I think it's assumed that, by the time of the later Trek series, the Starfleet of the UFP teaches ship operations not just to the crews of their own NCC-numbered ships but also for other Federation races to command, maintain and crew their races' own navies and commercial/industrial/civilian ships. But where did, say, Vulcans learn to run their ships before Starfleet Academy accepted non-human appicants...? It feels like there's a few untold stories about the various non-Starfleet training academies in the pre-Federation days. I'm guessing it will be one of those 'based mainly in beta canon' episodes as I doubt anyone has bothered to mention such establishments in Memory Alpha sources beyond maybe a passing comment, but it's an idea which caught my interest...
Well, I imagine something like the Pacific RIMPAC operations, the largest sea military training on the world, a lot of different navies with different school views, training and techs together. Or also, think of NATO and how they have certain things standardized, like the famous 5.56 NATO rounds or datalinks and coms, and now many allies of the US are buying the F-35. Given enough time and inner stability, Starfleet would go from joint operations to training together, to sharing techs and eventually using the same technology and military schools
It was just long enough that TH-cam unblurred. Normally it's a blurry mess for 10 or so seconds, even if I select 1440p. I like not having anything important happening when the stream is in 144p mode.
Same reason airplanes can have many different wing types. The physics of warp are the same in all ships but the method and the construction can vary greatly. Here in the real world airplanes wings come in many shapes and sizes, Delta wings, Swept Wings, Bi-planes, and even lifting body vehicles which have no wings using the entire body of the aircraft for lift. In star trek like the real world there are not only different orientations for the same job but there's even a degree of variation in how the warp bubble is even generated as is the case where Romulus ships create a singularity which is used to power the warp reaction. The only rule we know of for warp capable vessels design wise, is that they must contain a device/component (usual in the form of two nacelles) which is used to conduct the warp bubble around the space craft. This device must be able to cover the complete circumference of the main body of the vehicle . Starfleet ships have an even number of nacelles (except a few exceptions) which are placed in locations where there must be a continuous line of site between each, something to do with energy conducted between them for the warp bubble. (this is all technobabble anyways, don't worry too much about the specifics.) While Vulcan ships at least in the 22nd century have a similar device in the form of a ring used for the same purpose, presumable they use less energy to maintain the bubble this way but maybe with lower speeds. In the real world the Alcubier drive which is a theoretical warp drive like FTL method uses a similar ring like structure to help with the folding of space around the vessel. This all to my best understanding of the star trek lore and of real world engineering principles mainly that there usually isn't one way to complete any one task but different ways normally have pros and cons.
There's also the likelihood that different species came at the same end result thru different understandings of physics, since we ARE talking about species with different chemistries & neurologies.
It also has to do with what raw materials are available in the area. You are not going to cross another empire just to get the materials that are not available in your home system just to build a warp drive they designed. No, you improvise with what you have at home.
Better than my previous comment about wanting to know more about the Iconians, I think hearing more about the gods of the Klingons and how they were killed would be cool.
Humanity: Stop holding us back! We're not babies we're ready to get out there on our own! Vulcans: Okay fine, it's been 100 years you can go explore on your own Humanity: *immediately starts intergalactic war with the biggest space empire*
@@theunitedcommonwealth715 Yeah that's what the human propaganda machine wants everyone to think. Human's cannot be trusted, they always revert back to their primitive, violent ways. Romulan's have the right idea.
@@anarchyantz1564 Now wait a minute we may suppress some need to know info but we do not propaganda....anymore plus we only become violent if provoked which those...Xenos do every time nearly.
I have only one gripe against ST: E's Romulan war thing. When the Federation's starship Enterprise was investigating the outposts destroyed along the Neutral Zone, they were perplexed about how some kind of ghost would obliterate each outpost. When they discovered the threat were Romulans, and that they had a cloaking device, all were very surprised. The speculation of the output to keep a ship hidden logically explained why they had to de-cloak to attack and raise their shields. It was a lovely sci-fi worldbuilding thing for Star Trek to re-introduce Submarine naval combat into space battles and they kind of did some lazy writing to do the relentless torpedo chasing the ship but I digress. They also made the warship a tiny one that was made for sheer offense and its job (like the Defiant decades later). Alright, here's my gripe. Sorry, took a long time to get to that. **ducks** Who threw that? Nevermind. The cloaking thing. Each new Star Trek fiction makes cloaking an earlier and earlier thing that each empire that had it have it. In Star Trek, or ST: The Original Series (TOS), that technology was developed long after the Federation-Romulan war and not used until that ST: TOS episode. It was NEW TECHNOLOGY then. They didn't go as lazy-writing as Star Trek: Discovery did with Klingon's bad excuse for cloaking devices but they still, Romulans were beat back into the Romulan territory and agreed to a Neutral Zone because they had no advantage over the Federation... like, CLOAKING TECHNOLOGY that no-one else had until that Star Trek episode. And, don't give me that "the Klingons had a form of it" crap. No, they didn't... not until the Romulans gave it to them later in ST: TOS... they apparently got friendly with them because the UFP was their shared enemy. Rewriting canon to say things they had were developed earlier than they were pretty much ruins and re-writes the history many of us (as life-long fans) knew for decades. As prototypes, cool. As commonly deployed things that are stable enough to be trusted as common things, not cool. Gene Roddenberry might have been an unrealistic opportunist as well as a man of his era (in negative ways) but he would not have allowed the virtual assassination of his life's work here... the Star Trek story's history and believable canon. ST: E did a perfect job explaining the cosmetic differences. But, they totally dropped the ball on EVERYTHING cloak technology via the Romulans... aside from the fact that they always focused on misdirection, espionage, security, and stealth technology.
If you haven't already done so, a comprehensive video about the Romulan War might be worth considering, including such pre-war machinations as how V'Las was able to gain even more power following the P'Jem Scandal.
Would love to see a video about the Enterprise XCV 330. It's such a nebulous ship in Star Trek lore that no one feels the need to explore or give it a proper canon.
Graham Armitage I think the romulan war could’ve been their answer to Star Wars the clone wars series and I think this series should’ve aired on nickelodeon and should’ve been made in 2006 and aired from 2006 to 2009 with three seasons (Who should make and produce the series i vote Steve marmel The former developer of Danny phantom I’m saying it should been made by the same guys that did Danny phantom) and it would be a micro series (similar to the clone wars 2003 microseries) like and comment if you agree
I would like to see early, formative shared technologies between the founding worlds....shields, drives, engines, weapons etc. A track-back of who had what and who would share
I like how this explains how earth is so important. We are not the best. We are simply the glue that bonds. Also with earth bearing the brunt of assaults other races lending support would always be involved in helping us repair. Giving earth a multi cultural importance without having pereonal baggage from any of the big players.
Hi RIC, I apologizes for not spelling your name right. I always enjoy your interesting videos, this one is enlightening on the history of one of the best enemies of the Federation. Enterprise did a great job with the episodes that the romulans where in. I would have liked it if they just started with the episodes in the third and fourth season. The Andorians where not seen in NG and I often wonder why, they would have made for interesting episodes. Thanks for the great videos you do. look forward to the next one.
If high level romulans where influencing vulcan society , i would imagine powerful romulans influenced by the teachings of surak would return with a philosophy of surak this would explain why spock had a chance as it was slightly already enmeshed into romulan upper society having secret sympathizers. Spock was merely bringing surak to the lower classes ,, and the middle classes.
I'd never thought about it before, but you may be right. The Vulcans as they're portrayed in Enterprise make a lot more sense if viewed as result of Romulan infiltration and influence.
In The Original Series the Romulans appear in the first season episode "The Balance of Terror". Their ships are cloaked and have powerful plasma weapons but lack warp capability. The absence of warp drive begs the question "How did the Romulans forge an interstellar empire?" It's also at odds with their wide ranging activities in Enterprise.
@@colinmaclaughlanweir9670 I'm pretty sure that at some point during the episode it was said that the Romulan ship lacked warp capability. Even if Romulans had ships capable of warp 2 it would be difficult for them to hold sway over a star empire. Warp 2 is approximately 10 x lightspeed so a ship at warp 2 would take a year to travel 10 light years. There are only 11 stars within 10 light years of Earth, only 4 of them are known to have planets. It is said that the Neutral Zone is 130 light years from Earth so it would take a Romulan ship more than 13 years to reach Earth.
I think the most reasonable explanation is they have bigger warp ships but the Bird of Prey was so overpowered and small that it could only hold the weapons, the cloak, and the small habitable area.
Not early star fleet but a bit later, have you though of doing a video about how the Borg effected the development of star fleet? How Wolf 359 caused star fleet to begin developing warships for example and how the Borg were able to cause a movement that went so against star fleet's preference for exploration over aggression?
He has done a video on the Borg as a species that has a timeline of what we know of the early Borg. I see it among my recommendations fairly regularly.
As someone who couldn't finish Picard season 1 and noped out on season 2, I really enjoyed season 3. But can anyone tell me what exactly became of the Romulan Empire in this timeline? Like, okay, they blew up their homeworld, but the Romulans controlled a huge swath of territory and had an entire fleet of ships. Did someone just come in and carve up their territory or does some semblance of the empire still hold on to that territory?
The Centurion: Take care, Commander. He has friends, and friends of his kind mean power, and power is danger. Romulan Commander: Danger and I are old companions.
While this is not in the early Starfleet Time period, I'd like to see a video on the Kidimir accords. This treaty brought the Klingons and Federation Alliance together. It also involved the Romulans since they attacked the kidmir outpost. I assume they tried to deceive the alliance to keep it from forming but my theory needs to be confirmed.
Watching this video I have to wonder if the Romulan Star Empire had a hand either directly or indirectly in the cause of the Terra Prime movement. I could see them doing something like that. The question is would the Terra Prime movement take assistance from outside forces or would it be more subtle like placing agents in that coalition?
John Murphy it would have been great if Enterprise had gotten the fairly typical 7-8 seasons of many other Star Trek series. TOS too for that matter as it was the second shortest series if I recall correctly.
I'd like to know about the geography and location of cities and such from the time of the first vulcan meeting to the last episode of star trek enterprise.
They found it on that old wreck didn't they. My guess is that just like the cloak use by the Klingon, it was develop in secret by a Klingon house and they limited it to their ships only.
please could you make a video on the evoution of the UFP's warp technology and their starships P.S. if there is already videos on this pls provide the links ;)
Are we sure the Valdore class was named after the ex-Senator from Enterprise? Maybe the name's common enough to show up elsewhere in Romulan history. That sort of thing can happen - the USN had a ship named the Arnold, but it wasn't named for Benedict. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_General_H._H._Arnold_(T-AGM-9)
Romulans: How are these humans so good at diplomacy! Vulcans: Have you _read_ their history? Any race who murders each other for ten thousand years, culminating in a devastating nuclear exchange, then makes peace and unites within _fifty years_ just because they met an alien for the first time _has_ to have become a master of diplomacy.
What about the 1st Klingon/federation war???? Where Picard said something to the point of a bad 1st contact where the federation now sends undercover agents into a culture 1st. The federation did not have enough understanding on Klingon culture.
Oh, no. If V'Las was able to pass as Vulcan, how do we know T'Pol's father's parents bonded him to T'Les? That might explain T'Pol's occasional emotional behavour even before her introduction to the Trellium. Her mother always said T'Pol emotions were beneath the surface. T'Pol would've only known her father as a "Vulcan" as he supposedly died or was killed in an accident when she was young. This could have been an episode during the Romulan War if "Enterprise" been allowed to continue 3 more seasons. More likely though, T'Pol would've rejected-like Lt.Saavik-her Romulan background and only identified as Vulcan. I wonder if Lt. Saavik was aware of Cdr.T'Pol. Later, I believe and hope, both make it to the rank of Cpt.
Why didn't Romulus infiltrate Earth more effectively? Did they just not think about them until it was too late? They surely heard of them through the Vulcans.
It makes zero sense that the Federation and its allies did not know the Romulans were an offshoot of Vulcans. In all the battles of the war, they never found a Romulan body after a ship was destroyed?
This would be hard - and I'm truly ignorant of most books, comic books, and other non-TV series and movie influences, so it may be covered there - but try to do one showing how Earth used replication tech, power tech, and computer tech to vastly modernize and "Star Trek Utopianize" Earth, as they geared up to build more starships and other space projects needed for the Romulan war.
I refuse to accept that the Romulan sun has gone supernova in cannon. Perhaps Picard can make a time travel journey and inadvertently (or on purpose) undo that event and totally erase all the reboot crap. ;) Now THAT would save Romulan lives right?
When you fail at "Divide and Conquer" so spectacularly that instead you unite your divided enemies against you.
Divide too much, and it might just fuse into something stronger.
@@calebblaha7854 Yep. That's exactly what happens when that tactic fails.
@@That80sGuy1972 divide and then get beaten by yourself? no that doesnt happen
"The tighter you squeeze, the more star systems that will slip through your fingers."
Nothing unites different groups of people like a common foe, especially one that has blood from all the groups involved.
Long Live the Empire
Long Live the GTU
Next episode: Andorian influence on early Federation. The phasers, definitely the phasers.
"A Vulcan's going to do what a Vulcan's going to do... But the Andorians.. They were happy to supply us the phasers."
-Admiral Samuel Travis, Prelude to Axanar
@@SLDFSpectreSix Will that movie ever be?
@@rolandet I honestly have no idea.
Well yeah, since the DSC (season 2) and the TOS Phaser beams are blue..
@@rolandet Nope, CBS copyright trolled it out of existence. Their new rules allow for 15 minute "movies" and the Axanar people were planning to do two. Nothing like the original was meant to be.
Humanity: Let us spread out wings! We need to learn how to run before we walk!
Vulcans: Alright, fine. Just don't...
Humanity: *picks a fight immediately*
Vulcans: ...
Vulcans: Why did you...
Humanity: *Unites most local powers into a coalition*
Vulcans: Okay that's a bit better...
Humanity: *picks another fight with a different empire*
Vulcans: Okay I don't know how to talk to you.
THEY STARTED IT!
Humanity: Ok, it won’t happen again!
*later in the Mid-24th Century*
Humanity and Klingons: *Picks up a fight against the dominion*
Vulcans: Wait, I thought we talked about this?
Humanity: They are invading Bajor!
Klingons:... don’t ask us, we just go along with it..
The Federation: We don't start fights.....but we certainly won't shirk from finishing them.
Here's another one...
United Earth Government: Finally, all of humanity is united under one social government!
Mar Colony: (cough: bull$%!^) Uh, did you forget this? -- Fundamental Declarations of the Martian Colonies...and btw, Molon Labe.
@@tiggergolah They were the ones that started the war with the Dominions in a preemptive strike on some shipyards.
I truly wish Enterprise had gone on longer. We would have seen this conflict, and possibly is resolution. Such a wasted opportunity.
Like all successful Hollywood productions that inexplicably end prematurely, i suspect that certain ideas about society, morality and culture (Which Trek explores a lot of) were gaining too much traction in the public consciousness for certain elites' liking.
@@robbierobinson4110 That elite was Rick Berman. He very involved with Enterprise and more hands off with DS9, very sexist and homophobic, took the helm of showrunner up to Season 3 of Trek, and told writers and actors to tone down content.
@@richardarriaga6271 At least that "sexist and homophob" made good Star Trek. Can't be said about the toxic idiots of today.
@@23GreyFox eh, not really. Ent is better than STD and Picard (and JJTrek), but those are failings of cash grabs. They aren't meant to build fanbases and culture around them, they're meant to drain a franchise's goodwill quick for some fast cash. ENT is still fairly badly made, and breaks TOS canon in some places
@@vaelophisnyx9873 TNG, DS9 and Voy breaks TOS canon too, so i don't care much, i like ENT. TOS itself made made often no sense.
I think a logical one to do next about the early years of Starfleet, would be the surprising bond forged between them and the Andorians. I kinda thought they would be the next race after the Vulcans, but I guess the Romulans does make sense.
The Romulans should have paid closer attention to the early relations between Earth and Vulcan particularly the elements of EarthGov frustrated with what they felt to be the Vulcans holding them back. The Tal'Shiar could have covertly reached out to these Earthmoving members and offered the tech that fbe Vulcans were keeping from them. They would of course, know everything about this tech. Subvert and co-opt. Before anyone knew what was happening, the Sol System would've been beholden to the Romulan Star Empire. I would love a sort of Star Trek Elseworlds story where something like this happened.
Id put money on them having been partly behind that and stirring up trouble the whole time.
They may well have tried and failed
Humans are just too unpredictable and "hold my beer" type species. Tal Shiar perhaps had some contacts with the Earth government UNDER THE TABLE, but later they probably realized that humans are the best to be left alone.
That might have made a great Mirror Universe origin.
@@morlasa Yep, the potential resistance story arc potential alone would be fun to watch.
Okay, an Elseworlds Mirror Universe Story where the RSA immediately begins subverting EarthGov (isn't that a B5 reference? Whatever).
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The Mad Pirate Zefram "Big Z" Cochrane stood over the remains of the dead knife-ears. Raiding the technology of their warp-capable shuttle, he sets about reunifying the scattered fragments of the once glorious Grand Empire after its betrayal by Khan Noonien Singh, the man that should have been their savior. With the technology to make advanced personal energy weapons for his new Elite Guard of Helena, he sweeps across the Western Hemisphere in a mere decade, and soon has low orbit craft with energy weapons attacking the European Dominion. In a week, London falls, and the upstart self-proclaimed ruler is eliminated. Dr. Soong is soon found, and Emperor Cochrane declares him and all Augment Technology too dangerous for the Empire to risk using again in such numbers, and Soong is eliminated. Within his own lifetime, Cochrane becomes the first true Emperor of Earth since the Augment Wars. The planet is unified, but the mysterious knife-ears never appear again before his assassination by his own concubine, who declares herself Empress of Earth.
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The more-disciplined Romulans hear about this race of savages from their informants in the Vulcan government, and decide to go have a look. Simple bobbing of the ears is all that's done for infiltration, and they realize that this war-like race of apes are much like they used to be, and a potential rival.. or a potential tool in their quest to expand the Romulan Star Empire. After all, they'd make great foot soldiers and lower ranked crew.. but, how to do this?
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The Romulan Star Empire watches and plans as the Earth Empire attacks and reconquers its Martian Colony, then subjugates the colony on Titan and moves to terraform Ganymede, before building a military outpost on Pluto. They've secured their own solar system, and mastered the primitive, small scale warp drives the Vulcan shuttle had used, giving them the ability to get anywhere within their own solar system in hours or a couple of days. They're at the cusp of colonizing other solar systems - and this is when the Romulans make their presence known.
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"The Vulcans will enslave you." They warn. "But we wish to help you against our mutual, hated enemy. They have not forgotten that you killed their people sixty years ago, they are merely waiting for you to do all the work for them before they invade and conquer you." The new Emperor of Earth, who's position, too, was manipulated into being by Romulan agents, takes this offer seriously. After all, conquest by force of arms isn't the only answer to expansion. The Romulans don't realize it, but he's plotting to stab them in the back - a practice significantly decreased since the Augment Wars, but still done to an extent. First, he needs to embrace the concept of the Carpetbagger and Yankee Peddler - get them to give him what he wants, and make them think Earth is not only getting a raw deal, but let the Romulans leave thinking they've won.
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The Emperor and his closest confidants arrange to have their own spies counter-infiltrate the Romulans through an arranged exchange of "labor for goods" - Earthlings provide "free" labor to the Romulans, and the Romulans give the Earthlings some twice-outdated technology in return. People that are experts in acting stupid, or being seductive, become house servants, concubines, and more to Romulan senators, admirals, and generals, with a particular spy who's name becomes lost to Imperial history code-named Mata Hari becoming the human "private escort" to the 4th most-senior member of the Tal'Shiar High Command. Enjoying their human slaves, whom their own government doesn't seem to care about, the Romulans very quickly become complacent. Earthlings now do all the hard and dirty work, while the Romulans give them outdated technology that would leave them at a significant disadvantage against any Vulcan vessels.
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The Earth Empire, however, is already fully aware that their "new friends" think they're cheating them, but the technology they're getting is far superior to the reverse-engineered Vulcan shuttle tech. Soon, Earth begins constructing the ISS Intrepid in 2115 - the name selected as a message, and to honor an American Empire ship from the time of the American Revolution. The first serious star ship, using the tech the Romulans gave them, but with their own improvements, it should be capable of Warp 3.2 for a short time. No match for a Warp 4 Romulan Frigate, but better than nothing. Primitive laser weaponry, and a devastating biological "injection torpedo" round out the arsenal. The goal? Piracy of the highest order - they would "prove" to their "Romulan sponsors" that they could fight the Vulcans, by raiding lone Vulcan ships. Intrepid and her sister ISS Revenge do just that, but they intentionally attack Vulcan civilian ships, making sure to radiate Romulan-like warp signatures.
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Meanwhile, the Earth Empire discovers Denobula. Seeing a chance to make their own Client State, they don't bother to invade, they simply state that "in the name of the Romulan Empire," Denobula belongs to them. Since the Denobulans didn't have a very organized military, a simple demonstration of Earth's Weapons of Mass Destruction - a Chemical Weapon on one city, a Biological on another, and a Radiological "Super Dirty Bomb" on a third is all that's needed. The Denobulans are quickly made clear that it is Earth, not Romulus, that they answer to. The Romulans, of course, see this as a threat - Earth is growing too bold, they fear, but the Earth Empire reassures them that this means more slaves for Romulus, and "taking initiative" is something that Earthlings have as a common racial trait. Placated, but wary, the Tal'Shiar begins drawing up plans to sabotage Earth's manufacturing capability, and blame it on the "hated" Vulcans.
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Mata Hari warns Earth of what's to come. Intrepid and Revenge are ready, but they are only two capital ships. The next generation of ship is still to come, and under secret development at Luna Station, the Warspite Class. Using technology again stolen from the Vulcans, and now assisted by the Denobulans, the Earth Empire prepares to complete the betrayal of the Romulans in spectacular fashion - by genocide. By 2137, the first of the new class, ISS Warspite, is ready. However, Warspite herself is a Trojan Horse. Using sensor signal emitters, the devious Earth Empire makes it seem like Warspite has a powerful M/AM engine and nacelles that should be Warp 5 capable, and an armament system with extraordinarily powerful beam weaponry.
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It's all a ruse. Warspite has a different mission. Sent to Romulus to show off to their erstwhile allies the fruits of Earth labor, and promising them a fleet of these to use in the expansion of the Romulan Empire, the Romulan Advisor sent aboard is taken hostage. Warspite has a tiny crew, barely enough to run her, and they're all volunteers - for a suicide mission. Approaching Romulus, Warspite's crew forces the now-tortured Romulan to signal all clear and let the ship past the Home System Defenses. While approaching standard orbit, Warspite's engines come to life at full power. Yes, she's capable of speeds of Warp 5, but only for a brief moment, before her engine overloads. Jettisoning escape pods and taking their chances, Warspite's crew aims the ship at the Romulan capital city, engages the engines, and warps the ship into the planet at just under Warp 5.
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Devastation is total.
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Everywhere across Romulan client worlds and colonies, the "slaves" ruse is over, and these specially trained military operatives begin massive resistance and revolutionary activities, spurring other slaves and "pet species" of the Romulans to do the same. Romulan High Command ceases to exist, and the system commanders, lacking any control from Romulus, panic and fall into disorder.
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A month later, a massive invasion fleet led by Intrepid and Revenge, along with all of the Earth Empire's lesser ships, each one bloated with landing and boarding parties, reach the borders of the Romulan Star Empire. World after world is brought down, Romulan ships are captured, bio-injection torpedoes used to kill their crews. Repaired and rebranded as Earth Empire property, they're turned against their former masters. Within three years, almost all of the Romulan Star Empire's holdings are absorbed by the United Earth Empire. By 2150, the UEE is ready to christen their new Warp 5 capable ship, the NX-type ISS Enterprise class, with heavily adapted Romulan weapons, engines, shields, and most importantly, cloaking technology.
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Instead of the conquest of Vulcan, Andor, and Telar Prime, the UEE has absorbed the much larger Romulans as well as Denobula, and now have THEM as their slaves. They stand poised in the mid-2100's as one of the largest empires by territory in the known galaxy, with a fleet of ex-Romulan ships at their disposal, as well as a new series of updated and improved domestically-produced vessels that incorporate improvements to those designs, now a serious threat to the Klingons, and a significant threat to the other local powers...
So essentially Earth is the plucky young Shonen Anime protagonist who swans onto the scene and defeats the ridiculously threatening and well-prepared Big Bad with the power of friendship. Lovely. xD
Well, Gene Roddenberry did based his depiction of his idealized version of humanity based what he perceived to the best aspects of the USA and the defunct USSR. Both of which, (especially the former) exhibited traits of being essentially Shonen Anime protagonist IRL, in nation-state form.
@Tesla-Effect Though their starships are weapons of mass destruction, that they do use, but like all good boys and girls use violence as a last resort after every other option.
Your fucked
As Theodore Roosevelt was wont to say: "Speak softly and carry a big stick."
Basically meaning, be diplomatic, but have the forethought to have weapons ready in case things mess up. (Comes with the caveat that you can never use the weapons first or you become the bully in the eyes of everyone else watching.)
@@occultatumquaestio5226 Excuse me, but the United States is not an orphan and that is practically a requirement for a shonen anime protagonist. We did not abandon you, nor are we dead. You fuckers just went all angsty rebellious teen on us and started throwing our tea out screaming "get out of my room dad" when we asked you to pay a bit more rent money. Mostly to pay for the damage your French friends did while we were on holiday.
Anybody else notice every Romulan plot backfires and only strengthens the Federation?
Super Genius! Though nobody could a have predicted that a lost Federation ship would use an unknown alien network to download a sentient holographic doctor into a captured ship and kill off the Romulan boarders. Even the most paranoid Romulans couldn't have seen that coming.
Bit of a strange point, since the plots that succeeded - went unnoticed.
@@richardarriaga6271 I mean, they *did* have a 20 year warning that there was a Federation ship off in the wilds of the Delta Quadrant…
I mean plot armor for the federation is a great thing
Yeah, underestimating an enemy is bad. Overestimating an enemy and letting them run amok, because you're afraid to intercede, is also bad.
Know your enemy and know yourself.
@Atheos B. Sapien no this line is from "the art of war" by sunzi
@@gottfriedwegemuller3223 Yeah that gets attributed to Sun Tzu but he was quoting Bergman
@Atheos B. Sapien If I was quoting Sun Tzu I'd have put up the actual quote. "Know other, know self, hundred battles without danger; not knowing other but know self, one win one loss; not knowing other, not knowing self, every battle must be lost." But Sun Tzu himself was just repackaging a common saying, "Know your enemy and know yourself." that had been around long before he was born. The actual saying is better than Sun Tzus reinterpretation of it into a bizarre assertion that people can not blunder blindly to victory. Now you know something.
@Atheos B. Sapien Dude, only illiterate bumpkins wouldn't know that line comes from Sun Tzu. It doesn't _need_ a citation at this point. It's like demanding a citation for "No, Luke: _I_ am your father"; it just makes you seem stuffy and anal.
Their mistake underestimating their opponent never do that. Respect dude keep up the epic work :).
You know, I think that someone has been watching some Enterprise.
Well it’s been a long way
Enterprise was worse than discovery
TheMelbournelad getting from there to here!
A subject for another Enterprise-era video occurred to me when you were talking about how the Romulans saw Earth as the unifying force of the coalition, and thus targeted mainly Starfleet vessels.
Of course, at this early stage the UFP hadn't been formed and Starfleet was still a solely-Terran outfit - and yet the other races had their own ships in the coalition as well...
The question popped into my head: _"Where did they learn how to fly those ships, if not at Starfleet Academy...?"_
I think it's assumed that, by the time of the later Trek series, the Starfleet of the UFP teaches ship operations not just to the crews of their own NCC-numbered ships but also for other Federation races to command, maintain and crew their races' own navies and commercial/industrial/civilian ships. But where did, say, Vulcans learn to run their ships before Starfleet Academy accepted non-human appicants...?
It feels like there's a few untold stories about the various non-Starfleet training academies in the pre-Federation days. I'm guessing it will be one of those 'based mainly in beta canon' episodes as I doubt anyone has bothered to mention such establishments in Memory Alpha sources beyond maybe a passing comment, but it's an idea which caught my interest...
Well, I imagine something like the Pacific RIMPAC operations, the largest sea military training on the world, a lot of different navies with different school views, training and techs together. Or also, think of NATO and how they have certain things standardized, like the famous 5.56 NATO rounds or datalinks and coms, and now many allies of the US are buying the F-35. Given enough time and inner stability, Starfleet would go from joint operations to training together, to sharing techs and eventually using the same technology and military schools
omg that intro, long no sound in the begining, so i thought it was just too low or something and turned up the volume , then i hear "HI THERE........"
How are your ears lol.
Same. XD
It was just long enough that TH-cam unblurred. Normally it's a blurry mess for 10 or so seconds, even if I select 1440p. I like not having anything important happening when the stream is in 144p mode.
When Certifiably posts three videos in a week I feel very spoiled 😌
I'm curious on how all the various races developed such different designs for warp drives when the basic principles of it are the same...
Same reason airplanes can have many different wing types. The physics of warp are the same in all ships but the method and the construction can vary greatly. Here in the real world airplanes wings come in many shapes and sizes, Delta wings, Swept Wings, Bi-planes, and even lifting body vehicles which have no wings using the entire body of the aircraft for lift. In star trek like the real world there are not only different orientations for the same job but there's even a degree of variation in how the warp bubble is even generated as is the case where Romulus ships create a singularity which is used to power the warp reaction. The only rule we know of for warp capable vessels design wise, is that they must contain a device/component (usual in the form of two nacelles) which is used to conduct the warp bubble around the space craft. This device must be able to cover the complete circumference of the main body of the vehicle . Starfleet ships have an even number of nacelles (except a few exceptions) which are placed in locations where there must be a continuous line of site between each, something to do with energy conducted between them for the warp bubble. (this is all technobabble anyways, don't worry too much about the specifics.) While Vulcan ships at least in the 22nd century have a similar device in the form of a ring used for the same purpose, presumable they use less energy to maintain the bubble this way but maybe with lower speeds. In the real world the Alcubier drive which is a theoretical warp drive like FTL method uses a similar ring like structure to help with the folding of space around the vessel. This all to my best understanding of the star trek lore and of real world engineering principles mainly that there usually isn't one way to complete any one task but different ways normally have pros and cons.
There's also the likelihood that different species came at the same end result thru different understandings of physics, since we ARE talking about species with different chemistries & neurologies.
Different power sources are probably part of the reason.
It also has to do with what raw materials are available in the area. You are not going to cross another empire just to get the materials that are not available in your home system just to build a warp drive they designed. No, you improvise with what you have at home.
Absolutely love the content!!
Better than my previous comment about wanting to know more about the Iconians, I think hearing more about the gods of the Klingons and how they were killed would be cool.
Humanity: Stop holding us back! We're not babies we're ready to get out there on our own!
Vulcans: Okay fine, it's been 100 years you can go explore on your own
Humanity: *immediately starts intergalactic war with the biggest space empire*
Well to be fair The Romulans did start it first.
@@theunitedcommonwealth715 Ha, of course YOU would say that, United Earth Alliance. ;-)
@@WardancerHB Well they did.....Lousy Green Blooded Hobgoblins :)
@@theunitedcommonwealth715 Yeah that's what the human propaganda machine wants everyone to think. Human's cannot be trusted, they always revert back to their primitive, violent ways. Romulan's have the right idea.
@@anarchyantz1564 Now wait a minute we may suppress some need to know info but we do not propaganda....anymore plus we only become violent if provoked which those...Xenos do every time nearly.
You and Lore Reloaded are my goto Star Trek channels.
Brilliant video as always. Really been keeping me sane during lockdown. Please keep up the good work. 😀
This video answers many questions behind some Vulcans attitudes towards humans.
Nice presentation! Thanks!
Thank you for all your research on Star Trek Lore. I’m just luvin it!
Romulans: *_Plotting_*
Nemesis: "Amateurs!"
+1 to anyone who gets the reference. 😁
I have only one gripe against ST: E's Romulan war thing. When the Federation's starship Enterprise was investigating the outposts destroyed along the Neutral Zone, they were perplexed about how some kind of ghost would obliterate each outpost. When they discovered the threat were Romulans, and that they had a cloaking device, all were very surprised. The speculation of the output to keep a ship hidden logically explained why they had to de-cloak to attack and raise their shields. It was a lovely sci-fi worldbuilding thing for Star Trek to re-introduce Submarine naval combat into space battles and they kind of did some lazy writing to do the relentless torpedo chasing the ship but I digress. They also made the warship a tiny one that was made for sheer offense and its job (like the Defiant decades later). Alright, here's my gripe. Sorry, took a long time to get to that. **ducks** Who threw that? Nevermind. The cloaking thing. Each new Star Trek fiction makes cloaking an earlier and earlier thing that each empire that had it have it. In Star Trek, or ST: The Original Series (TOS), that technology was developed long after the Federation-Romulan war and not used until that ST: TOS episode. It was NEW TECHNOLOGY then. They didn't go as lazy-writing as Star Trek: Discovery did with Klingon's bad excuse for cloaking devices but they still, Romulans were beat back into the Romulan territory and agreed to a Neutral Zone because they had no advantage over the Federation... like, CLOAKING TECHNOLOGY that no-one else had until that Star Trek episode. And, don't give me that "the Klingons had a form of it" crap. No, they didn't... not until the Romulans gave it to them later in ST: TOS... they apparently got friendly with them because the UFP was their shared enemy.
Rewriting canon to say things they had were developed earlier than they were pretty much ruins and re-writes the history many of us (as life-long fans) knew for decades. As prototypes, cool. As commonly deployed things that are stable enough to be trusted as common things, not cool. Gene Roddenberry might have been an unrealistic opportunist as well as a man of his era (in negative ways) but he would not have allowed the virtual assassination of his life's work here... the Star Trek story's history and believable canon. ST: E did a perfect job explaining the cosmetic differences. But, they totally dropped the ball on EVERYTHING cloak technology via the Romulans... aside from the fact that they always focused on misdirection, espionage, security, and stealth technology.
With all the new Trek that is to be produced we wish that CBS would do a honorable conclusion for ENTERPRISE for us the old fans . Great videos Ricky.
Excellent video. 👍 I'm thoroughly enjoying this series on the early Federation. Good job, thanks...
If you haven't already done so, a comprehensive video about the Romulan War might be worth considering, including such pre-war machinations as how V'Las was able to gain even more power following the P'Jem Scandal.
How about a video about O'Brien's obsession with Cardassians? It's comical levels of anger.
It would affect the current sociaty mindset to much cause his rassim was justified
Ohh man I love this channel RICK you are the MAN
I really like the way you do your videos. You never seem pretentious like some other fans.
Would love to see a video about the Enterprise XCV 330. It's such a nebulous ship in Star Trek lore that no one feels the need to explore or give it a proper canon.
These are great, keep ‘em coming!
Brilliant. Always love these types of vids 😁
Excellent overview!
Would love to have seen a series about the Earth-Romulan war.
Graham Armitage I think the romulan war could’ve been their answer to Star Wars the clone wars series and I think this series should’ve aired on nickelodeon and should’ve been made in 2006 and aired from 2006 to 2009 with three seasons (Who should make and produce the series i vote Steve marmel The former developer of Danny phantom I’m saying it should been made by the same guys that did Danny phantom) and it would be a micro series (similar to the clone wars 2003 microseries) like and comment if you agree
I would like to see early, formative shared technologies between the founding worlds....shields, drives, engines, weapons etc. A track-back of who had what and who would share
I like how this explains how earth is so important. We are not the best. We are simply the glue that bonds. Also with earth bearing the brunt of assaults other races lending support would always be involved in helping us repair.
Giving earth a multi cultural importance without having pereonal baggage from any of the big players.
Hi RIC, I apologizes for not spelling your name right. I always enjoy your interesting videos, this one is enlightening on the history of one of the best enemies of the Federation. Enterprise did a great job with the episodes that the romulans where in. I would have liked it if they just started with the episodes in the third and fourth season. The Andorians where not seen in NG and I often wonder why, they would have made for interesting episodes. Thanks for the great videos you do. look forward to the next one.
"Is it a Romulan plot? A ploy to start a war?"
Question: Why didn't the Vulcans get involved with the Dominion war?
Here is an idea for a video: Telerite reaction to the first time being seved BBQ.
If high level romulans where influencing vulcan society , i would imagine powerful romulans influenced by the teachings of surak would return with a philosophy of surak this would explain why spock had a chance as it was slightly already enmeshed into romulan upper society having secret sympathizers. Spock was merely bringing surak to the lower classes ,, and the middle classes.
It is a pity that Enterprise was cancelled before the Earth - Romulan War.
I'd never thought about it before, but you may be right. The Vulcans as they're portrayed in Enterprise make a lot more sense if viewed as result of Romulan infiltration and influence.
Rick: does another Vulcan/Romulan vid
Me: still all ears
In The Original Series the Romulans appear in the first season episode "The Balance of Terror". Their ships are cloaked and have powerful plasma weapons but lack warp capability. The absence of warp drive begs the question "How did the Romulans forge an interstellar empire?" It's also at odds with their wide ranging activities in Enterprise.
they had warp but only at 1 or 2
@@colinmaclaughlanweir9670 I'm pretty sure that at some point during the episode it was said that the Romulan ship lacked warp capability. Even if Romulans had ships capable of warp 2 it would be difficult for them to hold sway over a star empire. Warp 2 is approximately 10 x lightspeed so a ship at warp 2 would take a year to travel 10 light years. There are only 11 stars within 10 light years of Earth, only 4 of them are known to have planets. It is said that the Neutral Zone is 130 light years from Earth so it would take a Romulan ship more than 13 years to reach Earth.
I think the most reasonable explanation is they have bigger warp ships but the Bird of Prey was so overpowered and small that it could only hold the weapons, the cloak, and the small habitable area.
Not early star fleet but a bit later, have you though of doing a video about how the Borg effected the development of star fleet? How Wolf 359 caused star fleet to begin developing warships for example and how the Borg were able to cause a movement that went so against star fleet's preference for exploration over aggression?
Picard was only 2 centuries too late asking ‘Is it a Romulan Plot? A ploy to start a war?’
I don't remember if you have a video on the early days of the Borg, or is there a Borg timeline video?
He has done a video on the Borg as a species that has a timeline of what we know of the early Borg. I see it among my recommendations fairly regularly.
@@Hybris51129 I thought I noticed it but I couldn't remember.
Thanks for confirming, will watch the video now.
As someone who couldn't finish Picard season 1 and noped out on season 2, I really enjoyed season 3. But can anyone tell me what exactly became of the Romulan Empire in this timeline? Like, okay, they blew up their homeworld, but the Romulans controlled a huge swath of territory and had an entire fleet of ships. Did someone just come in and carve up their territory or does some semblance of the empire still hold on to that territory?
And since Romulans are close yet distant relatives of the Vulcans... once again... these pointy eared Aliens have a huge influence on the Federation
Another great video! I k ow thought about things this way. I think I’m in agreement.
The Centurion: Take care, Commander. He has friends, and friends of his kind mean power, and power is danger.
Romulan Commander: Danger and I are old companions.
To this day, I still want to see the Earth-Romulan War. Movies, an animated show or even an Enterprise Part 2. I'll take whatever I can get.
Instead of continuing this storyline, Kurtzman gave Trek an STD
Whatever happened to the xindi after the war?
They're a relatively minor race, living in a tiny part of the galaxy.
I wish they would stop the klingon storyline and use the Romulan conflicts
Would love to see what you could dig up on the Denobeulins !
Any chance of a video on the early Klingon's influence in early Federation and vis versa?
Sans STD's "contribution" of course.
While this is not in the early Starfleet Time period, I'd like to see a video on the Kidimir accords. This treaty brought the Klingons and Federation Alliance together. It also involved the Romulans since they attacked the kidmir outpost. I assume they tried to deceive the alliance to keep it from forming but my theory needs to be confirmed.
Watching this video I have to wonder if the Romulan Star Empire had a hand either directly or indirectly in the cause of the Terra Prime movement. I could see them doing something like that. The question is would the Terra Prime movement take assistance from outside forces or would it be more subtle like placing agents in that coalition?
How about covering the Romulan war as described in the ENT books?
damn shame we didnt get to see most of this. enterprise was a good show and would have been great with another two seasons
John Murphy it would have been great if Enterprise had gotten the fairly typical 7-8 seasons of many other Star Trek series. TOS too for that matter as it was the second shortest series if I recall correctly.
The way of D'Era is a really awesome source of Romulan related material, though it's a tabletop book.
I'd like to know about the geography and location of cities and such from the time of the first vulcan meeting to the last episode of star trek enterprise.
Have you done one on transporter technology?
I love these videos.
Romulan's The Sith to The Vulcans Jedi.
That's insulting to the Vulcans, lol
The Tigerclaw from Babylon 5 and The NX-01 are my fav ships equally and can you look in too The Klingon War or what led up to it please ?.
Why do Disco Klingons have cloaking tech when they first meet the Federation when their not supposed to have it till later?
They found it on that old wreck didn't they. My guess is that just like the cloak use by the Klingon, it was develop in secret by a Klingon house and they limited it to their ships only.
please could you make a video on the evoution of the UFP's warp technology and their starships
P.S.
if there is already videos on this pls provide the links ;)
Man, Shao Khan really gets around!
What was happening on Bajor during the early Federation?
Are we sure the Valdore class was named after the ex-Senator from Enterprise? Maybe the name's common enough to show up elsewhere in Romulan history. That sort of thing can happen - the USN had a ship named the Arnold, but it wasn't named for Benedict. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_General_H._H._Arnold_(T-AGM-9)
STO goes with a different explanation for Galordon Core, still involving the Romulans.
Romulans: How are these humans so good at diplomacy!
Vulcans: Have you _read_ their history? Any race who murders each other for ten thousand years, culminating in a devastating nuclear exchange, then makes peace and unites within _fifty years_ just because they met an alien for the first time _has_ to have become a master of diplomacy.
why oh why did T'Pau not detsin V'las for questioning, this always bugged me about the relevant Enterprise episode
What about the 1st Klingon/federation war???? Where Picard said something to the point of a bad 1st contact where the federation now sends undercover agents into a culture 1st. The federation did not have enough understanding on Klingon culture.
What is that music at 5:49 to 7:02 I need to know
Oh, no. If V'Las was able to pass as Vulcan, how do we know T'Pol's father's parents bonded him to T'Les? That might explain T'Pol's occasional emotional behavour even before her introduction to the Trellium. Her mother always said T'Pol emotions were beneath the surface. T'Pol would've only known her father as a "Vulcan" as he supposedly died or was killed in an accident when she was young. This could have been an episode during the Romulan War if "Enterprise" been allowed to continue 3 more seasons. More likely though, T'Pol would've rejected-like Lt.Saavik-her Romulan background and only identified as Vulcan. I wonder if Lt. Saavik was aware of Cdr.T'Pol. Later, I believe and hope, both make it to the rank of Cpt.
First Interstellar Enemy
Xindi: Are wee a joke to you?
Fascinating fictional history of Earths early culture.
I think you should do the tholian assembly
"Generally Unknown". "Klingon Raids".
He makes it sound like the Klingons knew the truth. And how many others knew?
Why didn't Romulus infiltrate Earth more effectively? Did they just not think about them until it was too late? They surely heard of them through the Vulcans.
Updated United Federation of Planets by century, by conflict and description of cartographic maps UFP.
What happened to the Alpha Centauri people?
It makes zero sense that the Federation and its allies did not know the Romulans were an offshoot of Vulcans. In all the battles of the war, they never found a Romulan body after a ship was destroyed?
It was all in space and they used Remon slave soldiers
This would be hard - and I'm truly ignorant of most books, comic books, and other non-TV series and movie influences, so it may be covered there - but try to do one showing how Earth used replication tech, power tech, and computer tech to vastly modernize and "Star Trek Utopianize" Earth, as they geared up to build more starships and other space projects needed for the Romulan war.
My bad! You came very close in this one, so thanks: th-cam.com/video/CqlrBReSpCA/w-d-xo.html
The klingon fashel altering, from "normal" face riges to flat and back
Are the Vulcans using hydroponics? You never see or hear any mention of land agriculture. It's all rock.
the unification of the klingong species...but from what it looked like from others
Interesting how the NX series ship was similar to the romulan warbirds
WHERE do you THINK the Romulans GOT the designs from?
How about a general orders SF video
What if?
The Breen are actually Romulans hedging their bets?
I refuse to accept that the Romulan sun has gone supernova in cannon. Perhaps Picard can make a time travel journey and inadvertently (or on purpose) undo that event and totally erase all the reboot crap. ;) Now THAT would save Romulan lives right?
Hmmm first contact with the Gorn or the Organians.
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