I still do believe going to the gym and taking care of yourself is a good thing, if no one else is going to love me, I'm still going to treat myself better than anyone ever could
I agree, just treat yourself the best you can. I'm just a 5'5" guy. Having big traps(muscles) with short body is a big no no. I appear to be shorter than I should 😂.
@@hexsplays 5'3" here, trying to get as big as possible lifting 4-5 times a day. Yeah it's a struggle but there's no excuse in not getting better at anything.
Even if you are a manlet, you go to the gym for plenty of reasons. 1. You will be healthier. 2. You will feel better. 3. You will look better. 4. It's good for your mental health. 5. You will make friends if you are persistent. 6. Working out (including cardio) is the only possibility backed by science to stops your IQ drop that comes with time naturally. 7. You do it for yourself, be that you are 5' or 7'. Not everything is about women. I just can't leave a like on a video which encourages some people not to go to the gym. There is no excuse for that. Sorry Waffles.
Looking after yourself in most cases can move your status upwards. A skinny bald guy looks far better as a muscular bald guy with a healthy tan. But he will still be bald, the point is he may go froma 3 to a 5 but not get into the top 40% than people like Rich Cooper say you have to get to before dating. So do try, but be realistic, if your face is to total mess, save your money for the plastic surgeon.
@@monsecko4792 I’m not saying you should get women, but you can’t complain about something if you’re not even willing to try; also at this point in history I think guys should just try less.
Would you rather be a 5'2 balding janitor who is skinnyfat or a 5'2 balding janitor who has a sixpack and mma skills? Don't work out for the ladies. Work out for yourself.
@@ps0116 Yeah, i agree with most of what this guy says, but he exaggerates a lot of shit. Height plays a role ofc, but its not life or death situation like he makes it out to be.
Don't care what your height is, hit the iron; for yourself. "No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable." - Socrates Socrates: ‘Have you noticed,’ I asked, ‘how a lifelong devotion to physical exercise, to the exclusion of anything else, produces a certain kind of mind? Just as a neglect of it, produces another type? . . . One type tends to be uncivilized and tough, the other soft and over-sensitive.’ . . . Glaucon: ‘Yes . . . excessive emphasis on athletics produces an excessively uncivilized type, while a purely literary training leaves men indecently soft.’ . . . Socrates: ‘What I should say therefore is that these two branches of education seem to have been given by some god to men to train these two parts of us - the one to train our philosophic part, the other our energy and initiative. They are not intended the one to train body, the other mind, except incidentally, but to ensure a proper harmony between energy and initiative on the one hand and reason on the other by tuning each to the right pitch.’
I will say, I did it for women, it it helped my health so much. Rehabbing a pandemic lift at home injury from when the gyms were force closed (thanks, really helped us there.) but hopefully can get back to my ideal lifting body again in the next 3-5 yrs
I think his message is dont go to the gym with the thought of increasing your chances of getting women if you are a sub-5 to begin with , which let's be honest here almost everyone goes to the gym to get "attractive to women" as their main motivator
You don’t hit the gym to get babes. You exercise for your own health (both mental and physical). Attracting women is a bonus. Even if you don’t get any more female interest after improving your body, at least spending an hour in the gym is better than spending an hour playing video games. Besides, being strong has a lot of practical uses in everyday life (try moving, or just carting your suitcase through the airport if you are physically weak).
That's true. We need a healthy body with or without women. And it's better in a productive way than playing videogames or watching tv shows. Don't be a spectator be a participant
Nah, it's a waste of timae if you're not gonna get chicks. We're all gonna die eventually, and even the "healthiest" motherfuckers will die young. Why waste time on exercising when you can just do other shit? Almost every gymcel I know died in their 30s
@@crazytangeloful Taking steroids to gain muscles have nothing to do with healthy body. Good health will allow you to live longer and you will feel far better than someone who smokes and drinks. It's not about whamen it's about your quality of life.
@@DeadpoolPlayz That's why guys feeling so miserable because they have no life without chicks and hookups. There's no girl that make me go to the gym. I'm not gonna do it for anyone but myself. It's too hard for doing it for others. It takes too much and girls not worth going to the gym.
I'm 5'6" and still work out every day, there's far more benefits to exercise that absolutely eclipse the possibility of becoming more attractive. I might end up looking like a pit bull, but I'm strong, limber and feel great. So, I absolutely disagree that there's no point in going to the gym if you're short.
Bruh, go to the phillipines and you'll be a god. Besides, Franco Motherfucking Columbo is argument enough for short guys to lift. And Frank Zane. Personally I'd go more for the Zane look if I could choose, but on the other hand, Columbo was strong as a goddamn bull, even stronger than Arnold in most lifts
Maybe but it drove home the point of diminishing returns and how many men are better off alone rather than to do seismic level mental gymnastics to rationalize being cucked
@@MegaTranquilla exactly, his looks are really not that bad, he would be 7 on that list or maybe a 7.5, I think that Wheat probably dislikes him from that. The reason why vegan isn't doing well in dating isn't because of his looks, I've seen many worse look guys with women that respect their partners but the thing here seems to be that vegan has a lack of self respect, confidence, and like this area of dominance. He also probably lacks game and isn't really cool, he could have done far better than being with her
Unless the numbers were made with errors, like some feminist statistics. Or if the numbers were from a different time. The history of violence is a big part of feminist arguments, when today, in certain places, things are different. When the numbers are about historical narratives, there are even deeper lies.
I don't lie about how many women I have been with (less than 10 over more than two decades). In the old days there was a word we used for guys who lied when they said they slept with lots of girls/women: posers.
The abundance mindset is a MINDSET and not a life hack/world changing cheat code to spawn food. If the North Korea actually use the abundance mindset then they’re doing it wrong and very delusional.
vegan gains doesnt actually have an ugly face in the pic at 11:00 though, so i wouldnt agree that hes overcompensating for his face. the older, first pic showed, i will agree he looks pretty bad. but hes pretty much average in the face. the reason why he has a below average partner is simply because he settled for the first woman/fan to show him attention. he seems to have aspergers, so im not surprised. im sure he could do a lot better.
he can definitely do better and he's far from ugly being vegan means at least 90% of women can't eat anything they normally eat around him, so his diet limits his options his negative attitude is off putting to say the least also vegan gains kicked wheat's butt in the debate haha
@@MikeG82 he used strawmans and diversion tactics like always. only another vegan would view him winning that convo. Anybody can look good using strawmans
@@joys8634 i'm not vegan, wheat came off as beta and lost for words and then rage quit his arguments for vegan not having a hot woman completely ignored vegan's personality issues, and vegan isn't a sub 5 so he doesn't even know how to rate a man
@@MikeG82 When did vegan gains and wheat waffles do a debate I tried to find it but I didn't come up with anything?I also agree with what you said vegan gains isn't unattractive facially plus he's 6'3 and you have to take into account he has different tastes in women probably.
Same I'm 5'5 and i definitely get more attention now after going to the gym. I've been asked out multiple times this year include by my crush. My face is also leaner which increases your facial attractiveness. What's interesting is that he didn't show a before and after picture for the gymcels. Probably because he knows that in almost every case they looked better after. Like Kumail's after easily bumped him up a few points.
@@jakesuper6447 That's because vegan gains is already super lean. Let me put it another way. If he gained weight and became less lean he would look less attractive especially in the face. It is universally agreed upon that it is better to be fit and lean than unfit and not lean.
@@psgchisolm It doesn't really matter is the thing, if you're sub 5 in the face (which he is) you have no attractive value, you need to personalitymaxx not looksmax at that point
i am in the frameletism category; worked out naturally for 7 years, six pack, shoulders wider than my hips, but still narrow and a pretty good waist, but still not a standing out V shape when i wear clothes
I disagree. Yes, I freely admit it's better to be tall than short, but at 5'9 my dating options were night and day from when I was younger (14-16) vs. older 17-23 almost exclusively due to having put on 60 lbs of muscle and dropping my body fat to about 10-11%. Not only does it fill out your facial muscles, but also gives you more confidence to approach girls in general. I was born with a good face, but filling out the musculature made it look more masculine. The nice body absolutely doesn't hurt either. I can't really imagine a world in which you're not better off to train, regardless of your appearance. Maybe you can't go to a 9 from a 4, but you're way better off to go from a 4 to 6 than do nothing at all.
Problem with your logic is, men with abundance don't actually need to say it. Women see it for themselves. You aren't a true captain if you need to run around telling everyone that you are.
5:08 it's not a myth, it's one aspect to improve your dating life. It's a fact that fit and muscular men look attractive. This also good for your health. It's a pretty simple advice. (Nobody claims that just doing this will get you women).
The abundance mindset make u not care if she’s not interested (approaching), helps you bounce back when she flakes (when trying to set a date), helps you stay calm when she throws a fit (when y’all are dating) etc.. peace of mind is priceless, the abundance mindset helps you acquire it. And where I’m from, faking it is technically making it, because women here love a man who thinks he’s the shit
@@DrJ-hx7wv Even ugly guys get pretty women when they maximize their confidence. My ugliest friend was bagging more b*tches than us pretty boys back in the day
I slightly disagree with the gym thing, if you’re 5’8 with at least a decent frame and go to the gym and get a lean/ripped physique without massive muscles it will look good. Obviously won’t fix your face (besides making you lean). But anything below 5’7 and I’d agree with you. Just my thoughts though.
Completely agreed. Huge muscles on a short guy just looks ridiculous. I saw a short gymmaxxing ricecel about a week ago and he legit looked like Wreck It Ralph. No one's gonna take that guy seriously. Would you agree that huge muscles on a guy with small frame rarely looks "nice"? Like, I find the proportional fit looking physique without overly big limbs a lot more pleasant to look at than Hulks...
@@nathanchilton8917 I feel like Wheat Waffles should’ve clarified that. There’s not just one ideal body and then that’s the end of the world. But yes, if you’re under 5’10 and have huge muscles that’ll just make it worse for sure.
I'm 5'8 and been going to the gym for 5 years. I was 115 lbs skinny af before and now ı'm 190 lb 12%-15% body fat. And ı can safely say girls are 10000000x more interested now. Even if you're short they still get impressed by your explosivenes or strenght, especially if you demonstrate on them. Avarage male height is 5'9 in my country btw.
@@ea-do2pw dude don't listen to bl@ckpillers they are lazy and pessimistic im 6'3 and Im obese right now as a teenager gymcelling is thr best thing a man can do to improve his looks
In regards to Lankletism, the US Army medical corps did a sttuby and found that 15% of men regardless of how much tmscle training are incapable of increasing endurance or bulking up muscles regardless of ratio of slow to fast twitch, there is actually genetic upper limits to building mass and endurance.
The red pill dating advice for men of being the best version of themselves (being well groomed, dressing well, being in the best shape possible, being on your purpose and not giving a crap aka having an abundance mindset) doesn't promise men to get all the women they want. But it'll increase the chances for female acceptance which shouldn't be a goal for men anyway. It's only for one's own content. Men derive pleasure from excelling in something or at least from trying to.
I was rated a 5/10 by wheat waffles and my body fat percentage is at least 20%, I only showed him my face but I’m also 6ft1, white and I have a decent jawline. I’m also not lanky by any means. Sadly I don’t have the broad shoulders like my dad does but I still have a lot of positives about me. I think I pass the looks threshold where game counts.
@@jardel_lucca Vegan Gains actually has the advantage of having money, which already gives him an enormous advantage. He could easily travel to a third-world country a find a girl ten times more attractive than that one.
I don't care about manletism (I'm under the 6' cutoff lol). I go to the gym bcuz I like to lift weights and it makes my days better. The thing is, if you go to the gym to get women, you're wasting your time. Go for the good reasons and care about yourself, nothing more.
The Abundance Mindset isn’t about pretending to have options? It’s about working your way into having options so you can pick a good option instead of settling for the only option or few options you have
No it's not about pretending to have options.....Waffles presented a straw man argument there because his intention is to modify it so he can shoehorn it into the black pill perspective where it is not applicable.
@@Slenderman63323 I get that it is an analogy. No sh*t Sherlock, but it’s just not a good one. It has nothing to do with an abundance mindset to me. You don’t have to pretend to have a Lambo when you own a Honda Civic
Part 1 debunks so-called “approach-maxxing” (link in description). Check that out if you haven’t already. For future content which Redpill teachings would you like me to debunk? Suggestions?
@@WheatWaffles yea i watched all your videos👍🏻. I mean more like debunk these jestters like skeletor tomasi and richard coper. How about the men age like fine wine women like milk hoax?
@@npill2403 You're right. Neither of those guys are attracting women like they claim. They can expose female nature to a degree, but their info about attracting women is severely lacking and misleading when they ignore black pill truths.
I'm 5' 8". When I'm 180lbs and I haven't been working out my face and body look soft, I get no attention from women, and was even cheated on. I started working out, dropped down to 160, and put on moderate muscle. I also watched and read a ton about psychology and attraction. Now I get loads of attention, and can build attraction even with the prettiest of women I see. The work gets results and as the results come confidence builds and that "abundance" mindset just happens on its own. I'm still working and doing everything I can to improve every day, but I'm telling you, do the work and the results will snowball. Also, these unbeatable genetic flaws you speak of are BS. Narrow shoulders guy needs to do more shoulder exercises, vegan guy needs to work his neck out so he looks like a man, lankeyitis or whatever you called it is not a bad thing to MANY women. Most importantly, you have to do WHATEVER it takes to make you feel like you are useful and doing something important. Using women's opinions for your self worth will break you, and make you bitter. Just like the good work you do snowballs the good results, the lack of work snowballs the other direction. (Not tall, not wealthy, not hung, just a regular dude that women want and men want to be because I don't buy into this nihilist thinking)
@@stopgettingtriggered What do you mean by "cope"? My face is.. normal. Just normal. I'm not trying to put myself above anyone or sell anything. I'm trying to motivate my fellow men by telling you the truth. Working hard to maximize your potential is not a waste of time. Don't believe these excuses and give up on your best life.
I have a few things I want to add: 1. As many have stated, you can work out for yourself. Personally, seeing my figure in the mirror brings a smile to my face. 2. The "abundance" mindset, at least how it is described here, is just putting the cart before the horse. Acting like you have more going on in your life than you do (i.e. lying) is only going to damage your own mental health; instead, go out and find things to fill your life with. 3. The idea that men are essentially screwed in the "sexual marketplace" if they have or lack specific traits is baffling to me. If this were the case, why do these traits even exist in the gene pool to begin with?
Well, the answer to No. 3 is because the dating market and dating dynamic have changed over the last decades to replicated the dynamic of ancient times but in a modern setting. With Women’s “liberation” and feminism, it opened them up to have more options and gave them all the power in the dating world. That’s why in the 50’s-60’s and before you saw ugly men marrying and procreating with beautiful women (dating up in terms on looms), whereas nowadays it’s extremely unlikely for you to see a fat balding manlet with a girl even slightly better looking than him. So, the current market’s undesirable traits are the residue of the lasts generations that lived within the market from before second and third wave feminism. But I can almost guarantee, in 50-100 years, these undesirable traits will be almost extinct, at least in the western world, unless something very unexpected happens and the balance in power within the dating market falls back to man or finally becomes balanced. I agree with your points 1 and 2, though.
@@dirgmario It should go extinct , as a nation progresses the average height and IQ have continually increased from the 50s to the modern 2000s going back is stupid to say the least.
I agree with point number 2. Abundance mindset can be created through abundance. If you go gym, get hobbies that you regularly participate in, have plans with your friends, do fun activities, and are working on something then you should have most of your week booked. If a girl turns you down you won't really care because you have other things you enjoy. And you can always just book an escort as they are becoming more common in this day and age. The thing about abundance mindset is if you already have all of these things in place you won't need to lie to a girl or even tell her you don't need her. She will see by how you carry yourself and how little you care.
After watching the full vid I have to say going to gym (or making a home one) is never a disadvantage. If you’re a shorter guy yeah being too big is generally considered less aesthetic but you don’t have to look like that. There’s a weight range recommended for your height that’ll have you at a proportionate frame. Better to have good frame instead of being small and weak looking. To the frame part it is true that genetics play a role in what muscle shapes you have but this is the purpose of “bodybuilding”. You can develop some muscles more than others to account for weak points. Even for abs doing direct ab work and or being at a higher body fat to cover it would make it look better. To the lank one yeah some guys aren’t getting all that jacked at all but they don’t have to to look better. All they have to do is go from being a stick to looking full. Look at Joe Fazer’s transformation in 2.5 years with average if not below average genetics. Pretty much anyone can do that save for an outlier that has a genetic issue preventing them from putting on even 2 pounds of lean mass after a year of proper training. Even with below average muscle building genetics a guy is gonna put on at least 4 pounds in his first year. Contrary to popular belief you don’t reach 90% of your full potential in only 3 years, more like 85% after 5 years. Most people don’t know the foundations of a proper lifting program and end up as either novice or barely intermediate lifters. I agree with the last point that weightlifting isn’t necessarily gonna get you women but it’s pretty much always a benefit. Even mentally to an extent
@C-Dun Fitness For his age and genetics it’s good. If it was his limit then I’d say it’s bad but he at least went from a stick to normal looking. His training has improved look at the gap between his latest bench (bench is still grap) squat deadlift and the one before that. I believe it was about a 4 month difference
5:32 I'm a 6'5" older guy (54) who just stumbled on these videos (I'm also into fitness...but not trying to sell anything to anyone). I have to disagree on the manletism, frameletism and gymcelling. While it's true that the better build may not itself help with women (although I'd contend it does still help to some degree), it will definitely improve: 1) Your health and sense of well-being (staying away from steroids and other PEDs, of course). 2) Your status among other men. (Over the years, I've worked with and hung out with short, fit guys (5'3", 5'5", 5'6" and 5'8") and I can say without a doubt that seeing muscular limbs definitely increased my initial and on-going respect for them...regardless of their overall frame/height/face/hair.) 3) Your status/success in the workplace. Because of 1 and 2, you'll have more energy, a better attitude and you'll look better. How could that not affect your work and other opportunities?! The point is, okay, even in the worst case if it's not going to make you a Chad or improve your luck with women, your life will still be better than not doing it, plus it gives you something else to do (i.e., something not involving an addiction to electronic screens...an ever-growing problem in today's society) and something else to talk about with other people.
The thing is , people that WW used in examples of frameletism would 100% look waaaaaay worse if they had extra fat and less muscle. I know a guy with small shoulders and wide hips and higher body fat % has just exaggerated his flawed ratios.
You can boost your attractiveness from sub five to Chad, but only if you have good genetics. I used to be fat and unhealthy. I’m a 5”11 guy not tall to be honest, but after losing weight and gaining muscle I went from 3 to 7. My face looks sharper and my frame more athletic. Also people will start to respect you and some woman even desired me and started to approach me. They would only talk to me if necessary and I realised that they searched for any excuse to get closer to me. As wheat waffles say, muscles only compliment an already attractive men or a men with good face/frame/height. I also realised that following attributes compliments muscles: 1. Broad shoulders 2. Small hips/waist 3. Long limbs! 4. Broad chest
I've taken economics, so I have a level authority in saying that you can absolutely shift demand if you present and market a product well enough. A man became a millionaire by selling rocks as "pet rocks" for Christ's sake. Also, if you have decent levels of charisma and are a good liar, you could convince women you've been with 30+ women, and they WILL become more interested in you just out of curiosity. Casanova, the original ladiesman himself was average height and ugly, yet had legendary game and was banging twin sisters, nuns, princesses, all sorts of beautiful, high-value, high-status, hard-to-get women left and right. Basically, I personally am burgundypilled, if you'd like to call it that. Somewhere between blackpill and redpill. So, yes, Gigachad and Chad will always win in life and always be better than you. BUT, as a Chadlite or normie, you'll never catch up with Chad, but you CAN improve your SMV and have better success with work, women, and life in general by maxxing out.
I've known plenty of unattractive skeezy guys that pull women because they have charisma and are good a lying. The only problem I have with this guy's theories is he relates everything to looks and nothing to personality. And picking up women is an entire package. Vegan Gains problem is he's bat***** crazy.
This is what I am looking for, I've been taking redpill infos for 2 yrs then stumbled on this absolute goldmine of facts black pill but I still believe there's a slim line in between the improvement in red pill and fact driven black pill. As for myself am 5/10 and used my sense of humor to try to flirt on girls and they worked well. Now I'm left with looksmaxxing in this channel and earning to have the accessibility to fix my genetics flaw which is acne.
@@TheTenCentStory "I've known plenty of unattractive skeezy guys that pull women because they have charisma and are good a lying" - yes, but can they keep them?
Don't make it a trick. You guys are missing the abundance mindset. It's not about pretending you have options, it's about getting your self together so that you know who you are and aren't a needy little bitch. To do abundance mentality right is not faking it, it's not convincing yourself you believe it, it's knowing it because it's true. Women pick up on fake and they also pick up.on a guy who is comfortable with himself and has a good handle on who he is as a person. TAKE THAT TO THE BANK
@@gailmargret23 , The way you describe it, sounds more like having self-respect and dignity - which you of course should, ideally. 'Abundance' however, implies having plenty of options of something.
I remember watching more than 10 years ago HIMYM, when Ted Mosby gets brutally blackpilled by the match-maker woman who told him how little was the chance to actually run into the perfect woman for him.
I am so glad to see that someone of his age, living in a world full of lies, is able to cut through all the BS, and finally show as that the Earth is flat, and we are all controlled by Reptiloids.
It's not tho.... it's not just so you look more appealing, it's because it puts you in a more relaxed mindset. You don't have to put so much pressure on interactions because you know that if it doesn't go well you can always find another, and in turn you'll be less needy.
@@artomeri7266 "Lol, I am coming up with unrelated random conspiracy stuff just because I'm too stupid to understand different ideas and world views, lolol". Sad clown.
I'm baffeled that people actually fall for this stuff, then again 16 yr old me might have.. This isnt the truth, this is a list of sad excuses to not have to try. Its weakness to the highest degree and you should be ashamed to even entertain it. If you'd actually try, you'd realise how big a differnce you can make!
When I first went to Iraq back in 2004, I can remember the first day that I arrived. The locals used to shoot mortars into the bases with a high frequency and everyone knew that it simply a matter of timing as to whether someone was caught in an explosion. A lot of time was spent in bunkers with Kevlar on and in 120 degree heat. It just got to a point where I broke and I was forced to laugh at the ludicrous moments that were pushed to address this danger. Much of what was done there was absolutely stupid and ridiculous. Looking back, I was legitimately happy over there because I had a valuable role in that community.
Don’t look at it from all angles bro..having an abundance mindset helps with your self esteem and it sets the notion that you can do better for yourself, even if only you believe it…for that timeframe
@@alphamale3692 Reality can't slap you if you're accept it. You can accept reality and still hold beliefs that don't lead you to rope or hate your existence. Appreciate what you have and strive for what you honestly believe you can achieve; leave everything else alone and pivot when hard times come.
@@alphamale3692 part of abundance mind set is understanding yourself. If you want a million dollars but you are working at McDonald's well how do you get that million dollars? Abundance mind set is thinking up ways to better yourself so if your goal is a million dollars you can reach it. Abundance mind set without understanding yourself and not willing to work is just arrogance. This applies in pretty much every area of abundance mind set. It's not just I think I'm great so I'm great logic, no if are a short butt ugly dude acting like you are the rock then that's obviously not gonna work trying to get a girl.
We are simply hooked on sex, which makes us weak. The sexual addiction has made us lose the view on what makes a woman valuable. Since all got concentrated on this in the past this is what we have now.
I've been binge watching your videos for the last 2 days man, really interesting stuff honestly. I also like your no bullshitting/non sugar-coated approach to these topics. And you always go straight to the point, no irrelevant ranting, no cliché product endorsement, nothing but objective opinions. I've also subconsciously had a red pill mindset but this 19 yo is now an unfazed black piller. Keep making the great content man👏
why this man has said so many lies geoffry debunked almost all of this bro do things that women like are you looking for a wife or trying to date you need to know whats your focus n excel at that someone girl gone want you
Dude wheat. The mindset you have is what keeps you back. Genetics is one and mindset is second. Being able to persistent is so important. You are very persistent but you lack experiences. Have you ever been on the military!? There is where you learn disciplines. Disciplines are the foundations of all successes in life. Your black pill view is merely one part of the big cake of truth :)
There's various red pill content creators out there. This video mostly only debunks the PUA kind, which real red pill content creators refer to as beta-ass fools. Real red pill content creators tell you straight up that there must be a minimum level requirement to be met in order for any of the abundance mindset strategies to work. For example, they tell you that the way you look is number one. Secondly, your height is number two. Then, status and financial wealth. Finally, the way you handle yourself around women aka game. I'm subscribed to at least 20 red pill content creators, and none of them have ever said that no matter who you are, what you look like or what you have, if you go about your business with women like a pimp, you'll be unstoppable. Reason for that is quite simple: it's just simply not true. These PUA artists are selling lies and illusions. The abundance mindset does work but only if you've met the minimum requirements, which unfortunately are not always up to you (e.g. your height). Also, the abundance mindset has two sides, and only one of them is talked about in this video. Sure, if you give "the illusion" that you're a highly sought after commodity by not being fazed if a woman turns you down, it might cause her to attribute more value to you. However, the other side of it is that an abundance mindset helps you handle rejection. Most guys get crushed when they get rejected. So much so that most of them don't approach another woman for the next 5 years. The abundance mindset helps you understand that oneitis is not the way to go, that you must associate yourself with women on a daily basis. This doesn't mean you have to hit on them all the time. It just means that you have to be interacting with them. It's also part of the assertion process. If you do not assert yourself in any way, shape or form, you really shouldn't expect any positive results. All that being said, what's talked about in this video is still true. I'm not saying it's not. However, just because you debunk certain red pill content creators doesn't mean that all red pill content creators are phonies. It's like social media. You know that social media is bad but it is up to you how you use it. There's a lot of red pill content creators out there and it is up to you to find the ones that give real usable advice. One thing you can go off is this; if you hear something that sounds too good to be true, then it most likely isn't.
TLDR: Redpill is legit, but only for men who are at least average. Most of redpill are shills and don't reflect the gold standard that existed from long ago. Like rationalmale blog.
@@hadishamson393 this exactly. The abundance mindset aspect IS a cope, but the impact of not pursuing women in a desperate manner is still going to only help guys not waste their time and possibly not blow chances they have. All of these are fine tips
nobody should listen to this. you are never too ugly, short, tall, or imperfect to better yourself. working out and getting healthy will NEVER be a waste of time or decrease your value in the eyes of anyone (man or woman or YOURSELF). it will only ever make you more attractive and confident by doing this. that has to be the most ridiculous out of touch thing ive ever heard of in my entire life
This video is not meant for health, it's for looks. He NEVER said that you shouldn't go to the gym for health benefits, so don't put words into his mouth. He is merely talking about looks and etc, not about health benefits.
@@Anonymous-qf4xn where did you get the idea my comment was not talking about looks... you are wrong though, these videos are about mens ability to attract a woman
This is so accurate. I honestly as black pill still had faith in the abundance mindset but this is true. Going to start binge watching all ur video now.
I agree with your data - and Aaron Clarey has the book of numbers that expound on that, but I think the point is to be the best version of yourself and keep the abundance mindset for your own self care. It's better to be alone than it is to be in a bad relationship.
I am 6'4", face max 6, lean and athletic. Average success with women. I consider man "short" when he is 178cm or less (5'10"). I get a lot of disagreement when I voice this opinion publicly. Then again who cares, each of us have different standards, and plenty of short guys out there have more success with women than I do.
It's the Americans who think that men 5'9 are ''tall'' and ''above average'' LOL. I'd say anything below 6'1 (185 cm) is kinda short. And for women too anything below 5'7(170 cm) is short.
@@rudy1999 Yep, the standards are definitely related to where one lives. I live in the heart of Europe, in Czech capital Prague, and there are so many guys as tall as me or taller, really plenty, that is why for me the definiton of "short" man might be "not so short" or normal for other regions.
I'd have a hard time arguing that the four categories would face detrement by getting muscle, but I would agree that the degree of pay off may be vastly disproportionate to someone that's not in the categories. Take a short guy, if he's jacked he may be able to fit a very small niche of musculature that he wouldn't otherwise fulfill. If he's just short, not only does that niche not exist, but he still has all of the negative attributes as before. This is particularly true if he doesn't feign a constant aggressiveness associated with manlets.
There is literally no disadvantage in going to the gym Having an ugly face and a bad body is way worse than having an ugly face and a nice body. In fact the more average your face the more necessary it is for you to be in the gym. 2nd having an abundance mindset isn't about faking. It's for your own mental health. It's so you understand your own value and take pride in knowing that you have options. It's not to convince women of anything.
I don't buy that acquiring a physique isn't ALWAYS better than not doing so. Getting in shape raises you up a level (or more) no matter what and don't kid yourselves otherwise. Even if it's not enough to get you to 8-10 status women still always want to find out what it's like with a guy who's low BF and carrying some muscle. Even if it's a niche taste it's real, trust me.
The most important thing that Wheat Waffles and his adepts have to learn is that beauty and attractiveness is not a scientific formula only but it also have an important cultural component. So that's why 'perception' is so important.
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Fortunately for me, the culture on _this_ planet seem to find my components attractive... 'cause I hate moving.
Beauty and attractiveness actually IS a scientific. Its all about proportions, numbers and measurements. Its 100% objective science. What we see as 'attractive' basically means good genes and healthy high reproductive body.
Having abundance (in women) and having an abundance mindset are two difference things. The first is extremely helpful in getting you more women. The second, not so much as you pointed out.
Having an abundance mindset if done smoothly and not seeming forced makes you look less needy. Needy us unattractive. So this does work. You just gotta do it the right way for you.
Thoughts up until minute 5: When you show that your are scarce in the market the idea is that they will think you are high in demand. Of course as you pointed out if you just flat out say it verbally people may think you are delusional. But if you have social proof that you are high in demand: say having many female friends, or owning a lamborghini or something, you will suddenly become very believable.
This video is spot on. The red pill got it all wrong. You can have only have an abundance mindset only if you are good looking and having a lots of women having interest in you. Period. You need to have the exposures of women attracted to you for your good looks then you become the prize. Abundance NEEDS TO BE ACHIEVED, and it’s not by pretending that you have lots of options. A good looking face vs a muscular body. Face wins. Face always win. I’ve seen a lot of average looking and below average looking man going to gym hoping to attract women but. Wearing tight clothes and even wearing singlet during winter to attract women. How pathetic. Ever wonder how Hollywood cast their actors? They hire their actors for their good looking face and not muscular body. Body can be worked on. I’m not gay but just look at the people’s magazine that voted the sexiest man alive and they all have good face with average body. From Hollywood’s perspective an actor’s good looking face is much more marketable than a muscular body. Look at all the movie posters, magazines, advertising, newspapers, cd album and they always shows the face not the body. Oh by they way, I’m a good looking guy so I know.😉 All the pickup artist are average looking. They have no idea what’s it like being good looking.
@@hurlentropy6866 .I have a question, am I handsome? Since I have pretty good eyes, mine look like hunter's eyes but are a little slanted. I'm Asian btw.
@@eclpism Better than slightly upturned eyes with ptitosis...If you have good eyes, then you've likely received compliments from women rather than them making fun of your appearance (as in my case). The best way to tell how attractive you are is the instantaneous reaction to your presence. Are you ignored immediately or do they welcome your presence with a smile? Most sit in the middle
Don’t listen to him about the gym thing. Yeah maybe you might be working out to attract females but shit aside of that, it does help being healthy, and one way to go about that is to stay in shape. Also, if you ever want some bedroom action you can always pay for it, and if you ever want kids you can work hard and get a surrogate. If you want someone who loves you go to a 3rd world country, it’s easier to find somebody according to studies because of lower set standards. .
@@kacpermoney2820 Most blackpillers are like "looks this, looks that" when in real life usually charisma and strength of character triumph over them. Working out is great and totally recommended for a lot of more reasons besides becoming attractive, but if your self-confidence and social skills are low you will still struggle with dating.
Hearing your explanation of the feigned “abundance mindset” men do makes me realize maybe some men who were talking to me when i was in college might of actually been quite interested in me. Keep in mind men: This attitude will scare a woman a way if she’s been commitment minded & marriage interested since her mid/late teens. She’ll run so far away and not allow any feelings of attraction and liking to stop her. Implying “I have tons of options”, “I’m In such short supply”, “i have tons of superficial shallow shit to offer don’t you want like all these hookup minded gals in my roster”, “you should be so honored I’m even giving you my time”. You’ll come off as a man who is too arrogant, revoltingly sexually promiscous, reliant on external validation, likely unfaithful etc to actually be husband material. Maybe only do this if you want thots
I'm not sure (now I could be wrong here) that you understand the abundance mindset, it's not to convince women that you have many options, it's just to have the mindset that any given woman is not your only option, so to not think of her .. and therefore .. treat her as if she is.
I think the actual purpose of an abundance mindset is more about not chasing a single(solitary) girl and throwing everything you have at her. When you believe you have options you are far less likely to allow yourself to end up in a bad relationship.
The Gymcelling point he brought up is fair to a degree, you can still have a 5/10 face with a good body and achieve a lot higher success with women then if you didn't bother hitting the gym at all, unless your genetically ugly (sub 5), a lot of self improvement with skin care, losing weight etc can bring out a lot of your facial features pumping your SMV up, although he has a fair point if your sub 5 its very hard, but none the less i still believe hitting the gym would help your dating life.
I believe that the abundance mindset is meant to use specifically with dating and the point of it isn’t to making yourself appear like you’re some sacred resources but to simply be abundance with women.(Knowing that you have a choices-> maintain your standards and self respect--> Never settle for woman that aren’t good for you simply of scarcity mindset-->Actually happier with or without them and end up focusing on improving yourself instead of chasing women) Of course, this isn’t going to work with something figuratively like food or requirement for job interviews because you obviously can’t change reality, only perception. Which is why the abundance mindset isn’t some life hack you can use to achieve successfulness but rather the way to cope with failure by understanding that you can try again. That’s why I disagree with you supply-demand argument there. I don’t think abundance mindset is the key to any success but a key to a quick recovery of your confidence and ego. You were using your own version of interpretation of the abundance mindset as a some simple life hack to end starvation by believing that there’re enough food etc, just so that you can simply debunk it with common sense and call it a day. Of course, it’s a mindset and a mindset never change reality, it’s only change your mind, your belief and your perception of said reality. And that’s why this entire video never actually debunk what the abundance MINDSET actually stand for. Ps. I’m here only to protect the concept of abundance mindset and not anyone who teach it or use it. If they use it wrong(treating it as a life hack and not the actual mindset), that’s on them
I just laugh at Vegan gains "long distance" relationship. A girl Will drop everything ( even if she had to run away from her parents house, for example) to chase a man, if the man is truely desirable.
As someone that struggles with anxiety, weightlifting is a great way to help calm down my nervous system and improve my mood. Any subsequent visual gains in the mirror is just icing on the cake.
bro you have abundance mindset when you have things you are satishfied with like money house gf kids ect! without those things you can't have that shit! like you are fucking hungry and somebody trying to force u to blieve u have abundance mindset! gtfo with this bullshit 😂😂😂😂
The problem with faking it til you make it is whatever you do to attract a woman you will have to maintain that to keep the relationship going. Did you come off charming and smooth with all the lines when you met? Gotta keep that going. Did you attract with her with a lavish lifestyle? Gotta keep that going too.
Remember guys he is focused on hitting the gym related to DATING! Of course, Wheat Waffles will agree that any man should go to the gym for themselves because it does nothing but good for your health and will make you look more masculine. However, if you think that a byproduct of hitting the gym will increase your chances in the dating game is where many would be surprised at how little it can help you if you fit into the 4 categories mentioned.
I think there's a problem with this debunking logic. I don't think that having an abundance mindset makes you more desirable through some zany supply/demand reverse psychology. I also don't think having an abundance mindset necessarily means you make a comment like "I have X other women anyways". I think the point of this is it's a mindset which improves your mental/emotional stability, which allows you to remain in a good headspace while navigating the absolutely brutal reality of the modern dating scene. Being in this good headspace corresponds to having higher confidence and not being needy or attached, which are unattractive qualities. Yes, this isn't enough on its own to completely alter someone's dating outcomes, but it's a valuable step to take in addition to many other steps (including looksmaxxing). While physical attractiveness IS the first test you have to pass, unless you're an absolute chad you may be held to higher standards on other tests, such as personality. A man who approaches relationships from a position of scarcity is unattractive, because he is willing to compromise his values, which is generally considered an unattractive trait. Going to the gym also has side-effects in regards to mood and confidence. Even if you don't put on muscle mass, if you go to the gym you can improve your self-image, and if you improve that it can and will be conveyed through how you carry and present yourself. In short, I think this redpill advice isn't necessarily bad. It's certainly not a solution on its own to the challenges men face when dating, but it can help in certain cases.
Guys this is the type of person you should avoid being around in life. Pessimistic and discouraging are no friends for a man. It's sad to see this sh** is allowed to even be promoted. One goes to the gym not only for looks, but for all the other benefits that come with it( better well being, you develop healthier habits and it's fun and many others ofc).
yep. People need hope, which isn't provided here. and abundance mindset works, at the very least it prevents you from accepting a terrible relationship.
tbf about 80% of the younger guys going to the gym purely for the looks and hoping to attract more females with it. And its a fking joke because of these people, the average guy or girl nowadays thinks the gym is a boring place where people only go to compensate their insecurities. Btw I love going to the gym on friday nights or sundays, because thats the time when the gym is empty. The only people you will find in the gym that time are gymrats that genuinely enjoy working out
5:58 I wish I had done one quarter of the bodybuilding that guy has and I'd be in perfect shape; thankfully I'm 185 cm; obviously what he's done is WAY too much but he had the knowledge, skill and perseverance to pull it off; EDIT: 8:52 for the longest time I felt I was unable to put on muscle mass but it turns out I was doing the wrong type of exercise with the wrong type of diet and inadequate recovery; make sure you correct your exercise with a proper coach before jumping to conclusions! 11:30 you are SPOT ON !
Improving yourself. Does lead to more abundance. That's something you continuously try to negate. I lost 30kg, got in great shape and I have also developed a successful business. Women do respond positively, and the women I would choose to be with now are of much higher quality than the ones my lesser self just happened to settle for in the past. And I'm just 5'7
You can have a good natural looking body without looking like a steroid user whos trying to compensate for something. Everyone should do this, including bodybuilders.
Been binge watching your videos recently since I found you from debating with some of favorite redpillers. I think deep down, as painful as it is to say, you are right in all counts. In your opinion, with me being 5’10, does the above video apply to me still?
@@nihilism6226 good luck. Just like guys try to see women w/o makeup, women will try to see if a guy is faking it. Heard many stories about 5’10” guys lying on Tinder; date left when they met and she realized it.
Imagine thinking you shouldn't go to the gym if youre tall 💀 Going to the gym has been the best decision i've ever made. I'm 6'6 and was extremely skinny and suffered from 'lankletism' as you would call it. Now, 5 years later, i'm by no means big, but i gained about 20 kg and i look and feel so much better in my body
MEN. Please DO NOT BELIEVE this. A bit of a backstory: (feel free to skip this paragraph) I came to this video from watching another video made by this same channel which was titled "The Bluepill, Redpill & Blackpill EXPLAINED In 1 Video". From that video, I was able to deduce that this creator is biased against "Game Red Pill" which is basically the red pill ideology that preaches that a man can have more success with women by simply having more "game" (AKA: becoming more charismatic, non-awkward, funny, witty, and charming). In my personal opinion, I think "game" is a bigger factor than looks, but it seems this creator would disagree (And that's okay). The real advice: No matter which quadrant (Manletism, Frameletism, Lankletism, Gymcelling) you fall into, there is an undeniable fact: Going to the gym makes you stronger. And that is an excellent quality that women will be attracted to, so it is worth doing. However, if you are a framelet, try your best not to over-build. Focus more on strength&endurance training than physique training. I myself have always been skinny (lanklet) and people always assume I am weak until the opportunity arises for me to exert strength. When I have to lift something heavy, or when I beat a much larger friend in a challenge of arm wrestling, or (my personal favourite) when someone tries to overpower me in a somewhat playful situation thinking it would be a piece of cake. And they always go "wow, you are way stronger than you look". Imagine how impressive it must be (especially to women) when you beat someone twice your size in a game of arm wrestling. Moreover, being strong and knowing that you're strong (or getting stronger) adds a huge boost to your overall confidence and makes you less negative. HOWEVER... as you may already be thinking, you certainly will not always have the chance to show how strong you are, and being strong alone (or physically appealing alone) will not significantly improve your chances with women. Yes, true, but that's IF you don't have "game" (AKA: charismatic, non-awkward, funny, witty, and charming). There has to be a balance between game and looks. This brings me to what should be the MAIN TAKEAWAY from this comment: Having "game" or looks in isolation will only give you a slight boost. But together, the results are significantly amplified. Also, Believing you have no hope keeps you trapped in "victim mentality" and this is harmful to your confidence, which is a necessary ingredient for "game". So go to the gym, become stronger, become more confident, and work on your personality. Mold yourself into someone who women (and people in general) will always like to have around. That is "game". Hope this helps someone.
The word Lankletism made me laugh out loud. I agree though, but I’d probably apply it to any hard gainer no matter how tall they are. The time and effort they’d have to put in to get maybe like 5lbs of muscle at maximum just isn’t worth it. They’d be far better off either money/status maxing or giving up.
The lanky guys become absoloute alpha's when they get jacked, these are the guys who stand out where ever they go. So I disagree with his point of these guys should not going to the gym as it actually benefits them the most when they do start packing on muscle. I have yet to meet a hard gainer who finds physically it impossible to gain muscle, yes it might be slower and they have to consume an absurd amount of calories but its not like its an impossible feat. Worst case scenario there are substances these people can take to pack on muscle...
Yeah If I started taking roids and workout constantly with weights on my lanky 6'6 frame I'd be a beast in few years xD But natural calisthenics workouts won't improve your body size that much lol.
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I still do believe going to the gym and taking care of yourself is a good thing, if no one else is going to love me, I'm still going to treat myself better than anyone ever could
I agree, just treat yourself the best you can. I'm just a 5'5" guy. Having big traps(muscles) with short body is a big no no. I appear to be shorter than I should 😂.
@@hexsplays still get muscles man. A 5’0 girl would appreciate ur muscles
@@hexsplays 5'3" here, trying to get as big as possible lifting 4-5 times a day. Yeah it's a struggle but there's no excuse in not getting better at anything.
Agreed. Im 5.5. Get some heel boots. Get some good fashion. Etc. Im starting to bald fml. So gotta figure out what to do.
The correct attitude
Even if you are a manlet, you go to the gym for plenty of reasons.
1. You will be healthier.
2. You will feel better.
3. You will look better.
4. It's good for your mental health.
5. You will make friends if you are persistent.
6. Working out (including cardio) is the only possibility backed by science to stops your IQ drop that comes with time naturally.
7. You do it for yourself, be that you are 5' or 7'. Not everything is about women.
I just can't leave a like on a video which encourages some people not to go to the gym.
There is no excuse for that.
Sorry Waffles.
Agreed. The biggest reason why these guys can't get women is because they don't even try.
Looking after yourself in most cases can move your status upwards.
A skinny bald guy looks far better as a muscular bald guy with a healthy tan.
But he will still be bald, the point is he may go froma 3 to a 5 but not get into the top 40% than people like Rich Cooper say you have to get to before dating.
So do try, but be realistic, if your face is to total mess, save your money for the plastic surgeon.
@@hoop6988 why should they
@@monsecko4792 I’m not saying you should get women, but you can’t complain about something if you’re not even willing to try; also at this point in history I think guys should just try less.
That's right man im working out not actually for girls but to become the strongest version that i could be
Would you rather be a 5'2 balding janitor who is skinnyfat or a 5'2 balding janitor who has a sixpack and mma skills?
Don't work out for the ladies. Work out for yourself.
@Lone Wolf do you mma
Imagine this guy calling Conor McGregor/Mark Wahlberg a "manlet", or Joe Rogan a "super manlet"
@@ps0116 Yeah, i agree with most of what this guy says, but he exaggerates a lot of shit. Height plays a role ofc, but its not life or death situation like he makes it out to be.
@@bljet4388 Hes pathetic - thrown his toys out the pram at 20 years of age after 3 bodies, so practically zero life experience.
Mma is cope.
It 'll come out as overcompensation and short man syndrome.
Why learn to fight when we have guns
Don't care what your height is, hit the iron; for yourself. "No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable." - Socrates
Socrates: ‘Have you noticed,’ I asked, ‘how a lifelong devotion to physical exercise, to the
exclusion of anything else, produces a certain kind of mind? Just as a neglect of it,
produces another type? . . . One type tends to be uncivilized and tough, the other soft
and over-sensitive.’ . . .
Glaucon: ‘Yes . . . excessive emphasis on athletics produces an excessively uncivilized type,
while a purely literary training leaves men indecently soft.’ . . .
Socrates: ‘What I should say therefore is that these two branches of education seem to
have been given by some god to men to train these two parts of us - the one to train our
philosophic part, the other our energy and initiative. They are not intended the one to
train body, the other mind, except incidentally, but to ensure a proper harmony between
energy and initiative on the one hand and reason on the other by tuning each to the
right pitch.’
I can't agree more, I'm 5'7'' average looking but I love the health benefits and the strength gains.
From which of Plato's dialogues is that discussion?
Is it me or they sound like average Twitter posts? Lol.
I will say, I did it for women, it it helped my health so much. Rehabbing a pandemic lift at home injury from when the gyms were force closed (thanks, really helped us there.) but hopefully can get back to my ideal lifting body again in the next 3-5 yrs
tl; dr
Telling people not to go to the gym? This is blasphemy. The gym will change your life. You should regardless of height, take care of your body.
Abso-f*cking-lutly
Yup
what if youre too disabled
If youre not a blackpiller you dont have the right to comment that for you dont understand what waffles really mean by that "Gym won't work"
I think his message is dont go to the gym with the thought of increasing your chances of getting women if you are a sub-5 to begin with , which let's be honest here almost everyone goes to the gym to get "attractive to women" as their main motivator
You don’t hit the gym to get babes. You exercise for your own health (both mental and physical). Attracting women is a bonus. Even if you don’t get any more female interest after improving your body, at least spending an hour in the gym is better than spending an hour playing video games. Besides, being strong has a lot of practical uses in everyday life (try moving, or just carting your suitcase through the airport if you are physically weak).
That's true. We need a healthy body with or without women. And it's better in a productive way than playing videogames or watching tv shows.
Don't be a spectator be a participant
Nah, it's a waste of timae if you're not gonna get chicks. We're all gonna die eventually, and even the "healthiest" motherfuckers will die young. Why waste time on exercising when you can just do other shit? Almost every gymcel I know died in their 30s
@@crazytangeloful Taking steroids to gain muscles have nothing to do with healthy body.
Good health will allow you to live longer and you will feel far better than someone who smokes and drinks.
It's not about whamen it's about your quality of life.
yes this is correct but one of the biggest reasons is getting chicks
@@DeadpoolPlayz That's why guys feeling so miserable because they have no life without chicks and hookups.
There's no girl that make me go to the gym. I'm not gonna do it for anyone but myself. It's too hard for doing it for others. It takes too much and girls not worth going to the gym.
I'm 5'6" and still work out every day, there's far more benefits to exercise that absolutely eclipse the possibility of becoming more attractive. I might end up looking like a pit bull, but I'm strong, limber and feel great. So, I absolutely disagree that there's no point in going to the gym if you're short.
Bellow average height guys date bellow average height girls. I seen happy 4'10 girls wit 5'6 guys
He states in the video that short guys should work out but they won't get attention from women
@@goldtiger9453 to produce short and unhappy people? Short man must try date their own height woman, otherwise he must not make babies.
@@Srbenda126 Not true lol
Bruh, go to the phillipines and you'll be a god.
Besides, Franco Motherfucking Columbo is argument enough for short guys to lift. And Frank Zane. Personally I'd go more for the Zane look if I could choose, but on the other hand, Columbo was strong as a goddamn bull, even stronger than Arnold in most lifts
Damn. This video started out as one thing, then just turned into a full on assault on Vegan Gains 😂😂😂
Maybe but it drove home the point of diminishing returns and how many men are better off alone rather than to do seismic level mental gymnastics to rationalize being cucked
Fr he's not even ugly at all
@@NoRockinMansLand bro I agree compared to other dudes that wheat has classified as 5s or 6s i dong think the looks bad
@@MegaTranquilla exactly, his looks are really not that bad, he would be 7 on that list or maybe a 7.5, I think that Wheat probably dislikes him from that. The reason why vegan isn't doing well in dating isn't because of his looks, I've seen many worse look guys with women that respect their partners but the thing here seems to be that vegan has a lack of self respect, confidence, and like this area of dominance. He also probably lacks game and isn't really cool, he could have done far better than being with her
Women lie, Men lie. Numbers don’t
Yep
Unless the numbers were made with errors, like some feminist statistics. Or if the numbers were from a different time. The history of violence is a big part of feminist arguments, when today, in certain places, things are different. When the numbers are about historical narratives, there are even deeper lies.
@@blaskbulwark2881 yep
Yes but the problem with this guy is thag he is offering no solutions, just bitching. What does he want people to do, just give up?
I don't lie about how many women I have been with (less than 10 over more than two decades).
In the old days there was a word we used for guys who lied when they said they slept with lots of girls/women: posers.
North Koreans have an abundance mindset; there still starving to death eating grasshoppers & frogs
lolz
The abundance mindset is a MINDSET and not a life hack/world changing cheat code to spawn food. If the North Korea actually use the abundance mindset then they’re doing it wrong and very delusional.
vegan gains doesnt actually have an ugly face in the pic at 11:00 though, so i wouldnt agree that hes overcompensating for his face. the older, first pic showed, i will agree he looks pretty bad. but hes pretty much average in the face.
the reason why he has a below average partner is simply because he settled for the first woman/fan to show him attention. he seems to have aspergers, so im not surprised. im sure he could do a lot better.
he can definitely do better and he's far from ugly
being vegan means at least 90% of women can't eat anything they normally eat around him, so his diet limits his options
his negative attitude is off putting to say the least
also vegan gains kicked wheat's butt in the debate haha
@@MikeG82 he used strawmans and diversion tactics like always. only another vegan would view him winning that convo. Anybody can look good using strawmans
@@joys8634 i'm not vegan, wheat came off as beta and lost for words and then rage quit
his arguments for vegan not having a hot woman completely ignored vegan's personality issues, and vegan isn't a sub 5 so he doesn't even know how to rate a man
@Critical Thinker there is no way to "debunk" it to you black pillers, you made up your mind and at the end of the day that hurts you the most
@@MikeG82 When did vegan gains and wheat waffles do a debate I tried to find it but I didn't come up with anything?I also agree with what you said vegan gains isn't unattractive facially plus he's 6'3 and you have to take into account he has different tastes in women probably.
I am 5'6 and gym has done wonders for me. Of course I have not overdone it.
Same I'm 5'5 and i definitely get more attention now after going to the gym. I've been asked out multiple times this year include by my crush. My face is also leaner which increases your facial attractiveness. What's interesting is that he didn't show a before and after picture for the gymcels. Probably because he knows that in almost every case they looked better after. Like Kumail's after easily bumped him up a few points.
@@psgchisolm
Not really lol, sub 5 is sub 5, Vegan gains has close set eyes and a large neurocranium, no leaning will make his face attractive
@@jakesuper6447 That's because vegan gains is already super lean. Let me put it another way. If he gained weight and became less lean he would look less attractive especially in the face. It is universally agreed upon that it is better to be fit and lean than unfit and not lean.
@@psgchisolm
It doesn't really matter is the thing, if you're sub 5 in the face (which he is) you have no attractive value, you need to personalitymaxx not looksmax at that point
@@jakesuper6447 Damn, being an ethnic just kills Vegan Gains chances. If he was white he could seamaxx with his body and money.
first time i hear the word "lankletism" . . . brutal :o
That's me. I've always been super skinny. Haven't gained a pound since middle school and I'm well in my 30's.
@Lone Wolf im roping fam for real
i am in the frameletism category; worked out naturally for 7 years, six pack, shoulders wider than my hips, but still narrow and a pretty good waist, but still not a standing out V shape when i wear clothes
I don’t mind the gym. It’s the diet I hate. Too expensive
iz gg man
I disagree. Yes, I freely admit it's better to be tall than short, but at 5'9 my dating options were night and day from when I was younger (14-16) vs. older 17-23 almost exclusively due to having put on 60 lbs of muscle and dropping my body fat to about 10-11%. Not only does it fill out your facial muscles, but also gives you more confidence to approach girls in general. I was born with a good face, but filling out the musculature made it look more masculine. The nice body absolutely doesn't hurt either. I can't really imagine a world in which you're not better off to train, regardless of your appearance. Maybe you can't go to a 9 from a 4, but you're way better off to go from a 4 to 6 than do nothing at all.
1. Be good looking.
2. Be yourself.
ZAK 1. Be good looking
2. Do whatever you want and collect prizes
3. If your not good looking don't be yourself
Ugly man: I have an abundance of girls after me.
Hot Women: Yeah that's good (Doesn't really care).
Problem with your logic is, men with abundance don't actually need to say it. Women see it for themselves.
You aren't a true captain if you need to run around telling everyone that you are.
@@Dellenyum lol I was being sarcastic. Most PUAs say act like you have options but if no-one wants you, you're not an option.
@@rschana100 My mistake mate
@@Dellenyum no worries
Hot women: Yeah, thats BS, i can sense it.
5:08 it's not a myth, it's one aspect to improve your dating life. It's a fact that fit and muscular men look attractive. This also good for your health. It's a pretty simple advice. (Nobody claims that just doing this will get you women).
The abundance mindset make u not care if she’s not interested (approaching), helps you bounce back when she flakes (when trying to set a date), helps you stay calm when she throws a fit (when y’all are dating) etc.. peace of mind is priceless, the abundance mindset helps you acquire it. And where I’m from, faking it is technically making it, because women here love a man who thinks he’s the shit
Being apathetic towards women works better for me.
@@rawcoustic1718 That goes with what I said yes 👍🏽
Only if you're hot to begin with. You've totally missed the point
@@DrJ-hx7wv Even ugly guys get pretty women when they maximize their confidence. My ugliest friend was bagging more b*tches than us pretty boys back in the day
@@renaldsunset Sure he was.
I slightly disagree with the gym thing, if you’re 5’8 with at least a decent frame and go to the gym and get a lean/ripped physique without massive muscles it will look good. Obviously won’t fix your face (besides making you lean). But anything below 5’7 and I’d agree with you. Just my thoughts though.
Completely agreed. Huge muscles on a short guy just looks ridiculous. I saw a short gymmaxxing ricecel about a week ago and he legit looked like Wreck It Ralph. No one's gonna take that guy seriously. Would you agree that huge muscles on a guy with small frame rarely looks "nice"? Like, I find the proportional fit looking physique without overly big limbs a lot more pleasant to look at than Hulks...
@@nathanchilton8917 I feel like Wheat Waffles should’ve clarified that. There’s not just one ideal body and then that’s the end of the world. But yes, if you’re under 5’10 and have huge muscles that’ll just make it worse for sure.
I'm 5'8 and been going to the gym for 5 years. I was 115 lbs skinny af before and now ı'm 190 lb 12%-15% body fat. And ı can safely say girls are 10000000x more interested now. Even if you're short they still get impressed by your explosivenes or strenght, especially if you demonstrate on them. Avarage male height is 5'9 in my country btw.
@@ea-do2pw dude don't listen to bl@ckpillers they are lazy and pessimistic im 6'3 and Im obese right now as a teenager gymcelling is thr best thing a man can do to improve his looks
@@ea-do2pw 5,8 isn't short though.
In regards to Lankletism, the US Army medical corps did a sttuby and found that 15% of men regardless of how much tmscle training are incapable of increasing endurance or bulking up muscles regardless of ratio of slow to fast twitch, there is actually genetic upper limits to building mass and endurance.
The red pill dating advice for men of being the best version of themselves (being well groomed, dressing well, being in the best shape possible, being on your purpose and not giving a crap aka having an abundance mindset) doesn't promise men to get all the women they want. But it'll increase the chances for female acceptance which shouldn't be a goal for men anyway. It's only for one's own content. Men derive pleasure from excelling in something or at least from trying to.
That's good and all but the problem is when people sell that advice as if it will get a ugly 5'5 male laided
@@jouskehigaskita8835 It's indeed a problem. For the most part red pill is honest about not guaranteed success but increased chances though.
@@denvotangi1495 same thinking one should atleast try
I was rated a 5/10 by wheat waffles and my body fat percentage is at least 20%, I only showed him my face but I’m also 6ft1, white and I have a decent jawline. I’m also not lanky by any means. Sadly I don’t have the broad shoulders like my dad does but I still have a lot of positives about me. I think I pass the looks threshold where game counts.
"And what's the result? Well....THIS. This mess. It's a joke"
Straight f*ckin savage.
Funny enough, when he says that he is actually displaying abundance mindset! 🤣
Had Vegan Gains thought like that, he would be with a better partner. No doubt he can
@@jardel_lucca
Vegan Gains actually has the advantage of having money, which already gives him an enormous advantage. He could easily travel to a third-world country a find a girl ten times more attractive than that one.
The Vegan Gains section of the video was brutal af...good content btw
His head looks like one of those Space Raider crisps.
After Face&LMS this channel seems to have the most high quality Blackpill content. +Subscribed for sure!
his channel is better, videos are shorter and more precise, hits right at the center of the heart
I don't care about manletism (I'm under the 6' cutoff lol). I go to the gym bcuz I like to lift weights and it makes my days better. The thing is, if you go to the gym to get women, you're wasting your time.
Go for the good reasons and care about yourself, nothing more.
The Abundance Mindset isn’t about pretending to have options? It’s about working your way into having options so you can pick a good option instead of settling for the only option or few options you have
You can't work a way to turn a Honda Civic to a Lamborghini.
@@iamalexwolf The redpill rotted your brain so much, you can't understand analogies anymore.
No it's not about pretending to have options.....Waffles presented a straw man argument there because his intention is to modify it so he can shoehorn it into the black pill perspective where it is not applicable.
@@Slenderman63323 It's a false analogy.
@@Slenderman63323 I get that it is an analogy. No sh*t Sherlock, but it’s just not a good one. It has nothing to do with an abundance mindset to me. You don’t have to pretend to have a Lambo when you own a Honda Civic
Please more redpilldebunk videos, great video high quality as always!
Part 1 debunks so-called “approach-maxxing” (link in description). Check that out if you haven’t already. For future content which Redpill teachings would you like me to debunk? Suggestions?
@@WheatWaffles yea i watched all your videos👍🏻. I mean more like debunk these jestters like skeletor tomasi and richard coper. How about the men age like fine wine women like milk hoax?
@@WheatWaffles expose being alpha,being man all of such
@@WheatWaffles make one on lookmaxing with soft maxing and hard maxing with more information more unique
@@npill2403 You're right. Neither of those guys are attracting women like they claim. They can expose female nature to a degree, but their info about attracting women is severely lacking and misleading when they ignore black pill truths.
I love how economic knowledge fits so well with the man and woman's way of finding a mate.
I'm 5' 8". When I'm 180lbs and I haven't been working out my face and body look soft, I get no attention from women, and was even cheated on. I started working out, dropped down to 160, and put on moderate muscle. I also watched and read a ton about psychology and attraction. Now I get loads of attention, and can build attraction even with the prettiest of women I see. The work gets results and as the results come confidence builds and that "abundance" mindset just happens on its own. I'm still working and doing everything I can to improve every day, but I'm telling you, do the work and the results will snowball.
Also, these unbeatable genetic flaws you speak of are BS. Narrow shoulders guy needs to do more shoulder exercises, vegan guy needs to work his neck out so he looks like a man, lankeyitis or whatever you called it is not a bad thing to MANY women. Most importantly, you have to do WHATEVER it takes to make you feel like you are useful and doing something important. Using women's opinions for your self worth will break you, and make you bitter. Just like the good work you do snowballs the good results, the lack of work snowballs the other direction. (Not tall, not wealthy, not hung, just a regular dude that women want and men want to be because I don't buy into this nihilist thinking)
so you are basically saying: work out to get girls but don't do it for them?
that just means you have a good face that was covered up by fat. everything else you said is cope.
@@stopgettingtriggered agree. By the end I was expecting a link to his ‘system’.
@@stopgettingtriggered What do you mean by "cope"? My face is.. normal. Just normal. I'm not trying to put myself above anyone or sell anything. I'm trying to motivate my fellow men by telling you the truth. Working hard to maximize your potential is not a waste of time. Don't believe these excuses and give up on your best life.
''lankeyitis'' is only problem if u are a nobody. If u are a famous , tattooed and ''lanky'' rapper women will wanna bang u anyway lol.
I have a few things I want to add:
1. As many have stated, you can work out for yourself. Personally, seeing my figure in the mirror brings a smile to my face.
2. The "abundance" mindset, at least how it is described here, is just putting the cart before the horse. Acting like you have more going on in your life than you do (i.e. lying) is only going to damage your own mental health; instead, go out and find things to fill your life with.
3. The idea that men are essentially screwed in the "sexual marketplace" if they have or lack specific traits is baffling to me. If this were the case, why do these traits even exist in the gene pool to begin with?
Well, the answer to No. 3 is because the dating market and dating dynamic have changed over the last decades to replicated the dynamic of ancient times but in a modern setting. With Women’s “liberation” and feminism, it opened them up to have more options and gave them all the power in the dating world. That’s why in the 50’s-60’s and before you saw ugly men marrying and procreating with beautiful women (dating up in terms on looms), whereas nowadays it’s extremely unlikely for you to see a fat balding manlet with a girl even slightly better looking than him.
So, the current market’s undesirable traits are the residue of the lasts generations that lived within the market from before second and third wave feminism. But I can almost guarantee, in 50-100 years, these undesirable traits will be almost extinct, at least in the western world, unless something very unexpected happens and the balance in power within the dating market falls back to man or finally becomes balanced.
I agree with your points 1 and 2, though.
@@dirgmario It should go extinct , as a nation progresses the average height and IQ have continually increased from the 50s to the modern 2000s going back is stupid to say the least.
I agree with point number 2. Abundance mindset can be created through abundance. If you go gym, get hobbies that you regularly participate in, have plans with your friends, do fun activities, and are working on something then you should have most of your week booked. If a girl turns you down you won't really care because you have other things you enjoy. And you can always just book an escort as they are becoming more common in this day and age. The thing about abundance mindset is if you already have all of these things in place you won't need to lie to a girl or even tell her you don't need her. She will see by how you carry yourself and how little you care.
After watching the full vid I have to say going to gym (or making a home one) is never a disadvantage. If you’re a shorter guy yeah being too big is generally considered less aesthetic but you don’t have to look like that. There’s a weight range recommended for your height that’ll have you at a proportionate frame. Better to have good frame instead of being small and weak looking. To the frame part it is true that genetics play a role in what muscle shapes you have but this is the purpose of “bodybuilding”. You can develop some muscles more than others to account for weak points. Even for abs doing direct ab work and or being at a higher body fat to cover it would make it look better. To the lank one yeah some guys aren’t getting all that jacked at all but they don’t have to to look better. All they have to do is go from being a stick to looking full. Look at Joe Fazer’s transformation in 2.5 years with average if not below average genetics. Pretty much anyone can do that save for an outlier that has a genetic issue preventing them from putting on even 2 pounds of lean mass after a year of proper training. Even with below average muscle building genetics a guy is gonna put on at least 4 pounds in his first year. Contrary to popular belief you don’t reach 90% of your full potential in only 3 years, more like 85% after 5 years. Most people don’t know the foundations of a proper lifting program and end up as either novice or barely intermediate lifters. I agree with the last point that weightlifting isn’t necessarily gonna get you women but it’s pretty much always a benefit. Even mentally to an extent
Yeah , I agree , this guy is just a black pill incel
Yes, go to the gym boys, don't do it for girls do it for yourselves. Being realistic is good but not a reason for being miserable to this extend.
@C-Dun Fitness For his age and genetics it’s good. If it was his limit then I’d say it’s bad but he at least went from a stick to normal looking. His training has improved look at the gap between his latest bench (bench is still grap) squat deadlift and the one before that. I believe it was about a 4 month difference
@C-Dun Fitness Weighted dips might help bring up his chest but you have to be built for that dips can be dangerous
5:32 I'm a 6'5" older guy (54) who just stumbled on these videos (I'm also into fitness...but not trying to sell anything to anyone). I have to disagree on the manletism, frameletism and gymcelling. While it's true that the better build may not itself help with women (although I'd contend it does still help to some degree), it will definitely improve:
1) Your health and sense of well-being (staying away from steroids and other PEDs, of course).
2) Your status among other men. (Over the years, I've worked with and hung out with short, fit guys (5'3", 5'5", 5'6" and 5'8") and I can say without a doubt that seeing muscular limbs definitely increased my initial and on-going respect for them...regardless of their overall frame/height/face/hair.)
3) Your status/success in the workplace. Because of 1 and 2, you'll have more energy, a better attitude and you'll look better. How could that not affect your work and other opportunities?!
The point is, okay, even in the worst case if it's not going to make you a Chad or improve your luck with women, your life will still be better than not doing it, plus it gives you something else to do (i.e., something not involving an addiction to electronic screens...an ever-growing problem in today's society) and something else to talk about with other people.
The thing is , people that WW used in examples of frameletism would 100% look waaaaaay worse if they had extra fat and less muscle. I know a guy with small shoulders and wide hips and higher body fat % has just exaggerated his flawed ratios.
You can boost your attractiveness from sub five to Chad, but only if you have good genetics. I used to be fat and unhealthy. I’m a 5”11 guy not tall to be honest, but after losing weight and gaining muscle I went from 3 to 7. My face looks sharper and my frame more athletic. Also people will start to respect you and some woman even desired me and started to approach me. They would only talk to me if necessary and I realised that they searched for any excuse to get closer to me.
As wheat waffles say, muscles only compliment an already attractive men or a men with good face/frame/height.
I also realised that following attributes compliments muscles:
1. Broad shoulders
2. Small hips/waist
3. Long limbs!
4. Broad chest
I've taken economics, so I have a level authority in saying that you can absolutely shift demand if you present and market a product well enough. A man became a millionaire by selling rocks as "pet rocks" for Christ's sake. Also, if you have decent levels of charisma and are a good liar, you could convince women you've been with 30+ women, and they WILL become more interested in you just out of curiosity. Casanova, the original ladiesman himself was average height and ugly, yet had legendary game and was banging twin sisters, nuns, princesses, all sorts of beautiful, high-value, high-status, hard-to-get women left and right.
Basically, I personally am burgundypilled, if you'd like to call it that. Somewhere between blackpill and redpill. So, yes, Gigachad and Chad will always win in life and always be better than you. BUT, as a Chadlite or normie, you'll never catch up with Chad, but you CAN improve your SMV and have better success with work, women, and life in general by maxxing out.
I've known plenty of unattractive skeezy guys that pull women because they have charisma and are good a lying. The only problem I have with this guy's theories is he relates everything to looks and nothing to personality. And picking up women is an entire package. Vegan Gains problem is he's bat***** crazy.
This is what I am looking for, I've been taking redpill infos for 2 yrs then stumbled on this absolute goldmine of facts black pill but I still believe there's a slim line in between the improvement in red pill and fact driven black pill. As for myself am 5/10 and used my sense of humor to try to flirt on girls and they worked well. Now I'm left with looksmaxxing in this channel and earning to have the accessibility to fix my genetics flaw which is acne.
I'm not interested in women who are stupid enough to get swindled by some incel posing as desirable
nice
@@TheTenCentStory "I've known plenty of unattractive skeezy guys that pull women because they have charisma and are good a lying" - yes, but can they keep them?
Women always see through every trick. It's Chad or nothing.
well i guess it will be nothing for most of them, chad wants stacy
In the medium to long term. But Chad will deep and dive in the dumpster once in a while.
Don't make it a trick. You guys are missing the abundance mindset. It's not about pretending you have options, it's about getting your self together so that you know who you are and aren't a needy little bitch. To do abundance mentality right is not faking it, it's not convincing yourself you believe it, it's knowing it because it's true. Women pick up on fake and they also pick up.on a guy who is comfortable with himself and has a good handle on who he is as a person. TAKE THAT TO THE BANK
@@gailmargret23 ,
The way you describe it, sounds more like having self-respect and dignity - which you of course should, ideally. 'Abundance' however, implies having plenty of options of something.
@@stians.6912 EXACTLY!
I remember watching more than 10 years ago HIMYM, when Ted Mosby gets brutally blackpilled by the match-maker woman who told him how little was the chance to actually run into the perfect woman for him.
If that dude in before after pic was a 4 then I am a 0 😂
Then I'm Sub-Zero
Dude, I am so glad to see that someone your age, living in a world full of lies, is able to cut through all the BS and see/publish the truth!!!
I am so glad to see that someone of his age, living in a world full of lies, is able to cut through all the BS, and finally show as that the Earth is flat, and we are all controlled by Reptiloids.
It's not tho.... it's not just so you look more appealing, it's because it puts you in a more relaxed mindset. You don't have to put so much pressure on interactions because you know that if it doesn't go well you can always find another, and in turn you'll be less needy.
@@artomeri7266 "Lol, I am coming up with unrelated random conspiracy stuff just because I'm too stupid to understand different ideas and world views, lolol". Sad clown.
I'm baffeled that people actually fall for this stuff, then again 16 yr old me might have..
This isnt the truth, this is a list of sad excuses to not have to try. Its weakness to the highest degree and you should be ashamed to even entertain it. If you'd actually try, you'd realise how big a differnce you can make!
@@simondehaas6460 He backs it up with data. What do you back up your beliefs with? Romanticized memories of high school from many years ago?
I as a MSTOW have always had 0 options.
i have options, they do consist of ugly landwhales tho so i politely refuse to take advantage of them
what is the S in MSTOW?
@@stopgettingtriggered Men that Stay in their Own Withdrawal. (From dating, sex, society, happiness, etc)
@@stopgettingtriggered Men sent their own way
When I first went to Iraq back in 2004, I can remember the first day that I arrived. The locals used to shoot mortars into the bases with a high frequency and everyone knew that it simply a matter of timing as to whether someone was caught in an explosion. A lot of time was spent in bunkers with Kevlar on and in 120 degree heat. It just got to a point where I broke and I was forced to laugh at the ludicrous moments that were pushed to address this danger. Much of what was done there was absolutely stupid and ridiculous. Looking back, I was legitimately happy over there because I had a valuable role in that community.
Don’t look at it from all angles bro..having an abundance mindset helps with your self esteem and it sets the notion that you can do better for yourself, even if only you believe it…for that timeframe
At the end reality will slap👋 on your face
@@alphamale3692 Reality can't slap you if you're accept it. You can accept reality and still hold beliefs that don't lead you to rope or hate your existence. Appreciate what you have and strive for what you honestly believe you can achieve; leave everything else alone and pivot when hard times come.
@@alphamale3692 part of abundance mind set is understanding yourself. If you want a million dollars but you are working at McDonald's well how do you get that million dollars? Abundance mind set is thinking up ways to better yourself so if your goal is a million dollars you can reach it. Abundance mind set without understanding yourself and not willing to work is just arrogance. This applies in pretty much every area of abundance mind set. It's not just I think I'm great so I'm great logic, no if are a short butt ugly dude acting like you are the rock then that's obviously not gonna work trying to get a girl.
We are simply hooked on sex, which makes us weak. The sexual addiction has made us lose the view on what makes a woman valuable. Since all got concentrated on this in the past this is what we have now.
damn this channel makes me feel better about myself. i have everything i need to make that number go higher.
Regardless of gym getting you the attention with Her or not, it will do You wonders n you feel great about yourself
BS
@@user-tt2fh8nf1o stick to Heineken boi
I've been binge watching your videos for the last 2 days man, really interesting stuff honestly.
I also like your no bullshitting/non sugar-coated approach to these topics. And you always go straight to the point, no irrelevant ranting, no cliché product endorsement, nothing but objective opinions. I've also subconsciously had a red pill mindset but this 19 yo is now an unfazed black piller. Keep making the great content man👏
why this man has said so many lies geoffry debunked almost all of this bro do things that women like are you looking for a wife or trying to date you need to know whats your focus n excel at that someone girl gone want you
Truth. An abundance mindset comes from EMPIRICALLY KNOWING you have options
Dude wheat. The mindset you have is what keeps you back. Genetics is one and mindset is second. Being able to persistent is so important. You are very persistent but you lack experiences. Have you ever been on the military!? There is where you learn disciplines.
Disciplines are the foundations of all successes in life. Your black pill view is merely one part of the big cake of truth :)
Sounds like cope
@@jojohs9471 It definitely is
Damn that’s insane. An OnlyFans acc should have been the reason to break up instantly lol.
I guess he just didn't have an abundance mindset.... hahahaha
Indeed
He could find way prettier gf overseas if he's got some bank.
@@rudy1999
That's what pisses me off the most about him. The fact that he has money already gives him a gigantic advantage over most guys.
There's various red pill content creators out there. This video mostly only debunks the PUA kind, which real red pill content creators refer to as beta-ass fools. Real red pill content creators tell you straight up that there must be a minimum level requirement to be met in order for any of the abundance mindset strategies to work. For example, they tell you that the way you look is number one. Secondly, your height is number two. Then, status and financial wealth. Finally, the way you handle yourself around women aka game. I'm subscribed to at least 20 red pill content creators, and none of them have ever said that no matter who you are, what you look like or what you have, if you go about your business with women like a pimp, you'll be unstoppable. Reason for that is quite simple: it's just simply not true. These PUA artists are selling lies and illusions. The abundance mindset does work but only if you've met the minimum requirements, which unfortunately are not always up to you (e.g. your height). Also, the abundance mindset has two sides, and only one of them is talked about in this video. Sure, if you give "the illusion" that you're a highly sought after commodity by not being fazed if a woman turns you down, it might cause her to attribute more value to you. However, the other side of it is that an abundance mindset helps you handle rejection. Most guys get crushed when they get rejected. So much so that most of them don't approach another woman for the next 5 years. The abundance mindset helps you understand that oneitis is not the way to go, that you must associate yourself with women on a daily basis. This doesn't mean you have to hit on them all the time. It just means that you have to be interacting with them. It's also part of the assertion process. If you do not assert yourself in any way, shape or form, you really shouldn't expect any positive results. All that being said, what's talked about in this video is still true. I'm not saying it's not. However, just because you debunk certain red pill content creators doesn't mean that all red pill content creators are phonies. It's like social media. You know that social media is bad but it is up to you how you use it. There's a lot of red pill content creators out there and it is up to you to find the ones that give real usable advice. One thing you can go off is this; if you hear something that sounds too good to be true, then it most likely isn't.
The best comment here. But too long. Maybe if you add more emotions, you used too much logic.
TLDR: Redpill is legit, but only for men who are at least average. Most of redpill are shills and don't reflect the gold standard that existed from long ago. Like rationalmale blog.
Red pill is a coping mechanism and an insight of true female nature. I will always be grateful to red pill for teaching female nature.
@@hadishamson393 this exactly. The abundance mindset aspect IS a cope, but the impact of not pursuing women in a desperate manner is still going to only help guys not waste their time and possibly not blow chances they have. All of these are fine tips
nobody should listen to this. you are never too ugly, short, tall, or imperfect to better yourself. working out and getting healthy will NEVER be a waste of time or decrease your value in the eyes of anyone (man or woman or YOURSELF). it will only ever make you more attractive and confident by doing this. that has to be the most ridiculous out of touch thing ive ever heard of in my entire life
cope
@@somefuckedupguy9101 making the best of who you are is not coping
This video is not meant for health, it's for looks. He NEVER said that you shouldn't go to the gym for health benefits, so don't put words into his mouth. He is merely talking about looks and etc, not about health benefits.
@@Anonymous-qf4xn where did you get the idea my comment was not talking about looks... you are wrong though, these videos are about mens ability to attract a woman
this video was targeted towards building muscles as a means to get a date as compared to building muscles for self improvement and health
This is so accurate. I honestly as black pill still had faith in the abundance mindset but this is true. Going to start binge watching all ur video now.
Pookie and ray ray should have abundance in options isn't it 🤣
This got to be the most ridiculous shit I have ever heard in my life 😂😂😂. Good luck to the people who believe in most on this crap.
Dude i’ve died at the vegan gains section,this is the best BP channel right with Faceand LMS
I agree with your data - and Aaron Clarey has the book of numbers that expound on that, but I think the point is to be the best version of yourself and keep the abundance mindset for your own self care. It's better to be alone than it is to be in a bad relationship.
I am 6'4", face max 6, lean and athletic.
Average success with women.
I consider man "short" when he is 178cm or less (5'10").
I get a lot of disagreement when I voice this opinion publicly.
Then again who cares, each of us have different standards, and plenty of short guys out there have more success with women than I do.
It's the Americans who think that men 5'9 are ''tall'' and ''above average'' LOL. I'd say anything below 6'1 (185 cm) is kinda short. And for women too anything below 5'7(170 cm) is short.
@@rudy1999 Yep, the standards are definitely related to where one lives. I live in the heart of Europe, in Czech capital Prague, and there are so many guys as tall as me or taller, really plenty, that is why for me the definiton of "short" man might be "not so short" or normal for other regions.
I'd have a hard time arguing that the four categories would face detrement by getting muscle, but I would agree that the degree of pay off may be vastly disproportionate to someone that's not in the categories.
Take a short guy, if he's jacked he may be able to fit a very small niche of musculature that he wouldn't otherwise fulfill. If he's just short, not only does that niche not exist, but he still has all of the negative attributes as before. This is particularly true if he doesn't feign a constant aggressiveness associated with manlets.
Giga IQ.
There is literally no disadvantage in going to the gym
Having an ugly face and a bad body is way worse than having an ugly face and a nice body.
In fact the more average your face the more necessary it is for you to be in the gym.
2nd having an abundance mindset isn't about faking. It's for your own mental health. It's so you understand your own value and take pride in knowing that you have options. It's not to convince women of anything.
I don't buy that acquiring a physique isn't ALWAYS better than not doing so. Getting in shape raises you up a level (or more) no matter what and don't kid yourselves otherwise. Even if it's not enough to get you to 8-10 status women still always want to find out what it's like with a guy who's low BF and carrying some muscle. Even if it's a niche taste it's real, trust me.
Beautiful video !!!! Of all the videos I’ve seen about this subject , this is the best !!!!!!
The most important thing that Wheat Waffles and his adepts have to learn is that beauty and attractiveness is not a scientific formula only but it also have an important cultural component. So that's why 'perception' is so important.
Fortunately for me, the culture on _this_ planet seem to find my components attractive... 'cause I hate moving.
Beauty and attractiveness actually IS a scientific. Its all about proportions, numbers and measurements. Its 100% objective science. What we see as 'attractive' basically means good genes and healthy high reproductive body.
You channel is amazing bro LOL, so good
Having abundance (in women) and having an abundance mindset are two difference things. The first is extremely helpful in getting you more women. The second, not so much as you pointed out.
Having an abundance mindset if done smoothly and not seeming forced makes you look less needy. Needy us unattractive. So this does work. You just gotta do it the right way for you.
You miss the point. You already have to be hot to pull that off.
Very interesting material. Seems well thought out, logical and brutally direct....I like it.
Thoughts up until minute 5:
When you show that your are scarce in the market the idea is that they will think you are high in demand.
Of course as you pointed out if you just flat out say it verbally people may think you are delusional. But if you have social proof that you are high in demand: say having many female friends, or owning a lamborghini or something, you will suddenly become very believable.
This video is spot on.
The red pill got it all wrong. You can have only have an abundance mindset only if you are good looking and having a lots of women having interest in you. Period. You need to have the exposures of women attracted to you for your good looks then you become the prize.
Abundance NEEDS TO BE ACHIEVED, and it’s not by pretending that you have lots of options.
A good looking face vs a muscular body. Face wins. Face always win. I’ve seen a lot of average looking and below average looking man going to gym hoping to attract women but. Wearing tight clothes and even wearing singlet during winter to attract women. How pathetic.
Ever wonder how Hollywood cast their actors? They hire their actors for their good looking face and not muscular body. Body can be worked on. I’m not gay but just look at the people’s magazine that voted the sexiest man alive and they all have good face with average body. From Hollywood’s perspective an actor’s good looking face is much more marketable than a muscular body. Look at all the movie posters, magazines, advertising, newspapers, cd album and they always shows the face not the body.
Oh by they way, I’m a good looking guy so I know.😉
All the pickup artist are average looking. They have no idea what’s it like being good looking.
Very true...The eye area is #1.
@@hurlentropy6866 And in my opinion, nose is #2. 👍
@@hurlentropy6866 Do you have hunter eye?
@@hurlentropy6866 .I have a question, am I handsome? Since I have pretty good eyes, mine look like hunter's eyes but are a little slanted. I'm Asian btw.
@@eclpism Better than slightly upturned eyes with ptitosis...If you have good eyes, then you've likely received compliments from women rather than them making fun of your appearance (as in my case). The best way to tell how attractive you are is the instantaneous reaction to your presence. Are you ignored immediately or do they welcome your presence with a smile? Most sit in the middle
You aquire and abundance mindset by leveling up and becoming the best version of yourself
LYKEN No, don't be a best version of yourself, be a best version of a man. That's the only way to be truly successful.
@@nihilism6226 Dom Demarco facts bro
Great perspective! A man with abundance will usually look the part in terms of looks and confidence. Cheers!
I agree 100%... people with an abundance mindset HAVE abundance.
To quote FaceandLMS off of one of his livestreams: Women have an Abundance Reality.
Don't quote certified losers unless you aspire to be like them.
OMG - you are HILARIOUS with your examples and bluntness!
Don’t listen to him about the gym thing. Yeah maybe you might be working out to attract females but shit aside of that, it does help being healthy, and one way to go about that is to stay in shape. Also, if you ever want some bedroom action you can always pay for it, and if you ever want kids you can work hard and get a surrogate. If you want someone who loves you go to a 3rd world country, it’s easier to find somebody according to studies because of lower set standards. .
I have a friend like 5’6 - 5’7. He works out and gets women easily
Cope, gym sucker.
@@kacpermoney2820 Most blackpillers are like "looks this, looks that" when in real life usually charisma and strength of character triumph over them.
Working out is great and totally recommended for a lot of more reasons besides becoming attractive, but if your self-confidence and social skills are low you will still struggle with dating.
@@Sextus70 what if youre severely disabled
The abundance mindset does work as long as you have women interested in you.
i discovered Tails recently. This is every bit as good if not better, Prof Waffles.
Hearing your explanation of the feigned “abundance mindset” men do makes me realize maybe some men who were talking to me when i was in college might of actually been quite interested in me.
Keep in mind men: This attitude will scare a woman a way if she’s been commitment minded & marriage interested since her mid/late teens. She’ll run so far away and not allow any feelings of attraction and liking to stop her. Implying “I have tons of options”, “I’m In such short supply”, “i have tons of superficial shallow shit to offer don’t you want like all these hookup minded gals in my roster”, “you should be so honored I’m even giving you my time”.
You’ll come off as a man who is too arrogant, revoltingly sexually promiscous, reliant on external validation, likely unfaithful etc to actually be husband material. Maybe only do this if you want thots
I'm not sure (now I could be wrong here) that you understand the abundance mindset, it's not to convince women that you have many options, it's just to have the mindset that any given woman is not your only option, so to not think of her .. and therefore .. treat her as if she is.
I think the actual purpose of an abundance mindset is more about not chasing a single(solitary) girl and throwing everything you have at her. When you believe you have options you are far less likely to allow yourself to end up in a bad relationship.
I can agree to a certain point but if that's the case it can be described better
If 40% of men are below 5’9 then manlets are average. That doesn’t make sense
The Gymcelling point he brought up is fair to a degree, you can still have a 5/10 face with a good body and achieve a lot higher success with women then if you didn't bother hitting the gym at all, unless your genetically ugly (sub 5), a lot of self improvement with skin care, losing weight etc can bring out a lot of your facial features pumping your SMV up, although he has a fair point if your sub 5 its very hard, but none the less i still believe hitting the gym would help your dating life.
if you're 5'7" with an abundance mindset....ok....good luck....unless you're super wealthy.
I believe that the abundance mindset is meant to use specifically with dating and the point of it isn’t to making yourself appear like you’re some sacred resources but to simply be abundance with women.(Knowing that you have a choices-> maintain your standards and self respect--> Never settle for woman that aren’t good for you simply of scarcity mindset-->Actually happier with or without them and end up focusing on improving yourself instead of chasing women) Of course, this isn’t going to work with something figuratively like food or requirement for job interviews because you obviously can’t change reality, only perception. Which is why the abundance mindset isn’t some life hack you can use to achieve successfulness but rather the way to cope with failure by understanding that you can try again. That’s why I disagree with you supply-demand argument there. I don’t think abundance mindset is the key to any success but a key to a quick recovery of your confidence and ego. You were using your own version of interpretation of the abundance mindset as a some simple life hack to end starvation by believing that there’re enough food etc, just so that you can simply debunk it with common sense and call it a day. Of course, it’s a mindset and a mindset never change reality, it’s only change your mind, your belief and your perception of said reality. And that’s why this entire video never actually debunk what the abundance MINDSET actually stand for.
Ps. I’m here only to protect the concept of abundance mindset and not anyone who teach it or use it. If they use it wrong(treating it as a life hack and not the actual mindset), that’s on them
I just laugh at Vegan gains "long distance" relationship. A girl Will drop everything ( even if she had to run away from her parents house, for example) to chase a man, if the man is truely desirable.
Yep, they will even go by foot to you themselves. Not some beta shit like driving long distance with your car to pick her up lmao.
As someone that struggles with anxiety, weightlifting is a great way to help calm down my nervous system and improve my mood. Any subsequent visual gains in the mirror is just icing on the cake.
It's still difficult for me to understand how can someone have an abundance mindset if they doesn't have abundance in the first place
bro you have abundance mindset when you have things you are satishfied with like money house gf kids ect! without those things you can't have that shit! like you are fucking hungry and somebody trying to force u to blieve u have abundance mindset! gtfo with this bullshit 😂😂😂😂
The problem with faking it til you make it is whatever you do to attract a woman you will have to maintain that to keep the relationship going.
Did you come off charming and smooth with all the lines when you met? Gotta keep that going.
Did you attract with her with a lavish lifestyle? Gotta keep that going too.
Remember guys he is focused on hitting the gym related to DATING! Of course, Wheat Waffles will agree that any man should go to the gym for themselves because it does nothing but good for your health and will make you look more masculine. However, if you think that a byproduct of hitting the gym will increase your chances in the dating game is where many would be surprised at how little it can help you if you fit into the 4 categories mentioned.
12:10 Wow, I freakin' lost it when I saw your outro graph...especially the representation of 'gymcelling'. I want that thing on a tshirt! 😆😆
I think there's a problem with this debunking logic.
I don't think that having an abundance mindset makes you more desirable through some zany supply/demand reverse psychology. I also don't think having an abundance mindset necessarily means you make a comment like "I have X other women anyways". I think the point of this is it's a mindset which improves your mental/emotional stability, which allows you to remain in a good headspace while navigating the absolutely brutal reality of the modern dating scene. Being in this good headspace corresponds to having higher confidence and not being needy or attached, which are unattractive qualities. Yes, this isn't enough on its own to completely alter someone's dating outcomes, but it's a valuable step to take in addition to many other steps (including looksmaxxing). While physical attractiveness IS the first test you have to pass, unless you're an absolute chad you may be held to higher standards on other tests, such as personality. A man who approaches relationships from a position of scarcity is unattractive, because he is willing to compromise his values, which is generally considered an unattractive trait.
Going to the gym also has side-effects in regards to mood and confidence. Even if you don't put on muscle mass, if you go to the gym you can improve your self-image, and if you improve that it can and will be conveyed through how you carry and present yourself.
In short, I think this redpill advice isn't necessarily bad. It's certainly not a solution on its own to the challenges men face when dating, but it can help in certain cases.
Guys this is the type of person you should avoid being around in life. Pessimistic and discouraging are no friends for a man.
It's sad to see this sh** is allowed to even be promoted.
One goes to the gym not only for looks, but for all the other benefits that come with it( better well being, you develop healthier habits and it's fun and many others ofc).
To be fair i took this to be a criticism of the idea that going to the gym will attract women.
yep. People need hope, which isn't provided here. and abundance mindset works, at the very least it prevents you from accepting a terrible relationship.
tbf about 80% of the younger guys going to the gym purely for the looks and hoping to attract more females with it.
And its a fking joke because of these people, the average guy or girl nowadays thinks the gym is a boring place where people only go to compensate their insecurities.
Btw I love going to the gym on friday nights or sundays, because thats the time when the gym is empty.
The only people you will find in the gym that time are gymrats that genuinely enjoy working out
You can't polish a turd and you especially can't turn it into a diamond.
so much value mahn. Trust me this channel is going to blow up soon.
5:58 I wish I had done one quarter of the bodybuilding that guy has and I'd be in perfect shape; thankfully I'm 185 cm; obviously what he's done is WAY too much but he had the knowledge, skill and perseverance to pull it off; EDIT: 8:52 for the longest time I felt I was unable to put on muscle mass but it turns out I was doing the wrong type of exercise with the wrong type of diet and inadequate recovery; make sure you correct your exercise with a proper coach before jumping to conclusions! 11:30 you are SPOT ON !
Improving yourself. Does lead to more abundance. That's something you continuously try to negate.
I lost 30kg, got in great shape and I have also developed a successful business. Women do respond positively, and the women I would choose to be with now are of much higher quality than the ones my lesser self just happened to settle for in the past. And I'm just 5'7
You can have a good natural looking body without looking like a steroid user whos trying to compensate for something. Everyone should do this, including bodybuilders.
Been binge watching your videos recently since I found you from debating with some of favorite redpillers.
I think deep down, as painful as it is to say, you are right in all counts.
In your opinion, with me being 5’10, does the above video apply to me still?
5'10 is ok, I'm 5'10 myself. 6'+ is the bench mark really though
@@WheatWaffles Thanks... how do you cope/adapt with your height? Do you try to looksmax in other areas? Gym, fashion, etc?
@@clarity8296 Just wear platform shoes, Ima buy mine soon.
@@nihilism6226 good luck. Just like guys try to see women w/o makeup, women will try to see if a guy is faking it. Heard many stories about 5’10” guys lying on Tinder; date left when they met and she realized it.
Imagine thinking you shouldn't go to the gym if youre tall 💀 Going to the gym has been the best decision i've ever made. I'm 6'6 and was extremely skinny and suffered from 'lankletism' as you would call it. Now, 5 years later, i'm by no means big, but i gained about 20 kg and i look and feel so much better in my body
MEN. Please DO NOT BELIEVE this.
A bit of a backstory: (feel free to skip this paragraph) I came to this video from watching another video made by this same channel which was titled "The Bluepill, Redpill & Blackpill EXPLAINED In 1 Video". From that video, I was able to deduce that this creator is biased against "Game Red Pill" which is basically the red pill ideology that preaches that a man can have more success with women by simply having more "game" (AKA: becoming more charismatic, non-awkward, funny, witty, and charming). In my personal opinion, I think "game" is a bigger factor than looks, but it seems this creator would disagree (And that's okay).
The real advice:
No matter which quadrant (Manletism, Frameletism, Lankletism, Gymcelling) you fall into, there is an undeniable fact: Going to the gym makes you stronger. And that is an excellent quality that women will be attracted to, so it is worth doing. However, if you are a framelet, try your best not to over-build. Focus more on strength&endurance training than physique training. I myself have always been skinny (lanklet) and people always assume I am weak until the opportunity arises for me to exert strength. When I have to lift something heavy, or when I beat a much larger friend in a challenge of arm wrestling, or (my personal favourite) when someone tries to overpower me in a somewhat playful situation thinking it would be a piece of cake. And they always go "wow, you are way stronger than you look". Imagine how impressive it must be (especially to women) when you beat someone twice your size in a game of arm wrestling. Moreover, being strong and knowing that you're strong (or getting stronger) adds a huge boost to your overall confidence and makes you less negative. HOWEVER... as you may already be thinking, you certainly will not always have the chance to show how strong you are, and being strong alone (or physically appealing alone) will not significantly improve your chances with women. Yes, true, but that's IF you don't have "game" (AKA: charismatic, non-awkward, funny, witty, and charming). There has to be a balance between game and looks.
This brings me to what should be the MAIN TAKEAWAY from this comment:
Having "game" or looks in isolation will only give you a slight boost. But together, the results are significantly amplified. Also, Believing you have no hope keeps you trapped in "victim mentality" and this is harmful to your confidence, which is a necessary ingredient for "game". So go to the gym, become stronger, become more confident, and work on your personality. Mold yourself into someone who women (and people in general) will always like to have around. That is "game".
Hope this helps someone.
The word Lankletism made me laugh out loud. I agree though, but I’d probably apply it to any hard gainer no matter how tall they are.
The time and effort they’d have to put in to get maybe like 5lbs of muscle at maximum just isn’t worth it.
They’d be far better off either money/status maxing or giving up.
One of the guy he shows is a hard gainer and he packed a lot fucking size he name joe fazer
The lanky guys become absoloute alpha's when they get jacked, these are the guys who stand out where ever they go. So I disagree with his point of these guys should not going to the gym as it actually benefits them the most when they do start packing on muscle. I have yet to meet a hard gainer who finds physically it impossible to gain muscle, yes it might be slower and they have to consume an absurd amount of calories but its not like its an impossible feat. Worst case scenario there are substances these people can take to pack on muscle...
Yeah If I started taking roids and workout constantly with weights on my lanky 6'6 frame I'd be a beast in few years xD But natural calisthenics workouts won't improve your body size that much lol.
@@gmann8659 Blah blah, gym is a timewaster.
@@user-tt2fh8nf1o for an incel like you, yes it is
Your channel has so much integrity. Thanks for calling out other men taking advantage of sub 5 men, ripping them off.