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My final note. Sidious had other reasons to fear Dooku. Unlike his other apprentices, Dooku was a finished product and a peer and rival in every sense. Dooku was groomed to become Jedi Grand Master and was only eclipsed by Yoda in knowledge of the Light Side. He was an accomplished diplomat and political leader. Dooku was an immensely popular and effective Head of State. Dooku already had a detailed knowledge of the Dark Side before he ever met Sidious. Combine these traits and you have a mirror image of Palpatine and a true rival.
Yes. It was Dooku's "Exploration of the Darkside" that brought him to Sidious initially.
@@ChurchNietzsche And the corruption of the Republic, the Dogma of the Jedi Order, the Jedi Order being more of attack dogs to the Republic rather than pure peacekeepers, not allowing attachments and family contact, and finally the death of Qui-Gon Jinn. Also his own desire to learn all he can about The Dark Side and to destroy the corruption.
Which shows sidious true genius . Turn your rivals and enemies into puppets or allies.
I understand what you say on a storytelling point of view, but Dooku makes attacks that if undefended would surely kill, so the intent to murder can be assumed. That can be said of any Star Wars character, including the Jedi, and that is most evident considering Force users are hardly seen wearing armour.
Yes, with Sidious' other apprentices, he had taught them everything THEY knew, not everything HE knew. They had built in weaknesses, exactly like he did with Vader and his suit. Dooku's real only weakness was his age.
For someone who had SO many sets of Plot Armor stacked against him, Dooku really is one of the most underrated badasses in all of Star Wars.
Facts it’s partly why I actually think he could take sidious because he still came through despite everything against him.
Agreed
Remember one thing in revenge of the sith, dooku thought he was supposed to be arrested not killed. So he really wasn't fighting at 100% when he was fighting Anakin. He was supposed to tempt Anakin to the dark side instead of trying to kill him. I am not saying that Anakin wasn't powerful but just like Vader later on when fighting Luke on the second death star, he wasn't fighting to kill Luke at all. If Vader had wanted to kill Luke Skywalker he could have. Even with Luke's anger
We hardly ever saw Dooku fighting 100%. Through out the Clone Wars series he was noticeably toying with Anakin in most of their duels and each and every time could have killed Anakin, but didn't. The only time we really see Dooku going hard is on Oba Dia when he was dominating Anakin and Obi-Wan.
Yes he was fighting at 100%. It was stated in the new novel that initially Dooku was taking it easy on Anakin right up until he took Obi-Wan out of the way and crushed his legs for a second. After that, Anakin's strikes and speed became almost too much. Dooku was fighting at full strength after he took out Obi-Wan because it said Dooku was fighting for his life after anakin became angered.
@@jamest1242r thank u so many people keep saying dooku lost on purpose and it’s not true
There is that, though it's also worth noting that per the novelisation, he was actually shocked at Anakin's power. Remember, Anakin's Form V Djem So was the perfect counter to Dooku's Form II Makashi - basically, raw power and speed versus extreme precision and technical skill. Defence, and offence, through superior skill. Once Anakin closed that gap, and had the advantage of youth and physical ability (because even pre-Vader, Anakin is a physical powerhouse), he could just batter through Dooku's defences.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 in most of their clone wars duels Dooku had to push Anakin back with force lightning because Anakin was getting the better of him lol. Dooku only ever truly toyed with Anakin in AOC.
My thoughts: we need a Dooku series, following him from Padawan, through knighthood, all the way to his leaving the order. And don't let Kathleen Kennedy within 12 parsecs of it.
Here for this. Would be a great ode to Sir Christopher Lee as well
Make it 13 and I’m on the same gunship with you
I highly concur with you
Read or listen to Dooku: Jedi lost. It’s an audio play that details all of what you just said.
They are making a animated project and some young dooku stuff will be in it
Dooku is my favorite sith. From everything to his fighting style, to his reason for going to the dark side, to his strategy. I just like him. He is a more complex character than sidious who is just pure evil (he is a politician after all) and doesn't really have any reason for going to the dark side other than he was just a bad person.
Don’t forget his awesome title “Darth Tyranus”
Dude sang Heavy Metal too!
Dooku didn't even really go to the dark side because he was evil or wanted power, he left the Jedi order and joined the confederacy because he recognized both the Jedi and the republic as corrupt systems that needed to be replaced, and just viewed the dark side as the easiest way to do so. Dooku's never been shown with yellow sith eyes, as he only uses the dark side, and never lets it consume him.
@@beanie4969 In Clone Wars when he uses his force lightning against Savage on Serenno you can see his yellow eyes for a second, which is an insanely cool detail. Dooku isn't a slave of the darkness like Vader, Maul and Palps. He just uses the dark when needed. Such a genius character.
@@t-poseraccoon230 oh thanks for telling me, I haven't seen too much of the clone wars but that does sound like a really cool detail.
Something else to note is that Dooku also got the holocron of Darth Andeddu, if he'd kept it, instead of delivering it to his Master, he would have learned essence transfer. With access to cloning technology and the wealth to fund it, Dooku could have taken his eight decades of experience in the Light and Dark and placed it inside a body in its prime.
With his control of the CIS, his Dark Side Acolytes and the ever present trump card of being able to reveal Sidious, Tyranus had the best opportunity to take over the Sith...but he made the mistake of remaining loyal.
Fuck that would make a great movie.
That's what you get for being a good guy XD
He never was ambitious enough to want to take over himself. He wanted to fix the republic and was ok with being Number 2 in the new empire. It’s because of his lack of true leadership that made him not channel the dark side in full. If he had the desire to be the leader of the new order, then he probably could have over three Sidious
Loyalty amongst the Sith will get you killed. Perhaps Dooku was simply not a good judge of character.
@@seekingabsolution1907 Or was he more like Dark Jedi in practice.
It would be interesting if Dooku had taken Maul for his apprentice and they both tried to overthrow Sidious together.
It would be cool but wasn't Maul trained as an inferior Sith assassin? Ventress was made for beating Sidious and was being trained as a sith but this is kind of nebulous as she sometimes thinks her training is being held back so I'm not sure
@@Sweetlesishere Maul being trained as an assassin was a cover story for Plagueis so he wouldn't suspect him raising a secret apprentice to overthrow, Sidious had full intentions of ruling with Maul until he learned of Anakin's existence.
It's an interesting concept but maul and Dooku are notably two different kinds of Sith,even while a Sith Dooku held onto the Jedi view of being able to share power thus why he had so many dark Jedi acolytes AND ventress as his official apprentice making him akin to the sith from the brotherhood of darkness era sith or even to a small degree the old republic Sith,Maul was much more ingrained in the Bane era Sith it's why rather than confront Dooku directly,he and savage oppress went on to occupy mandalore as a independent Sith faction,so I believe there would be something's they need to really iron out to keep from killing each other
@@sentaikng I've heard that a few times, but where does this come from? What I remember is Palpatine saying the Maul was mainly trained as an assassin, and Plagueis saying he wasn't a real sith
Dooku is not smart enough to threaten sidious and maul would very much try to backstab dooku
We really need more dooku prime duels in "tales of the jedi"
We really need more Dooku in Cannon
It would be an interesting "What If"
Dooku fights Yoda to a standstill... then realizes "He will never be in a better position to attack Palpatine" ... the Republic had already fallen (in all practicality) ... the Jedi were blind, and weak.
How much more could he -POSSIBLY- have learned from Palpatine ... how much did he really expect Palpatine to teach him?
How long before the axe?
I was thinking the exact same thing
Dooku would have to fall completely to the dark side of the force to do take out palpatine which would be interesting to see how would dooku change the plan after he takes the master role of the sith would he still want Anakin to join
@@shanedaley6236 Dooku never wanted Anakin to join he viewed him as vastly inferior to him regardless of his highly attuned abilities in the force. Obi-Wan was who Dooku really wanted to join him
@@shuckyducky3471 agreed. Dooku wanted a fellow master to willingly take up his worldview as an apprentice not a powerful but mindless attack dog needing to be babied.
@@IRMentat Like Savage?
Imagine if instead of following the order to kill Ventress, Dooku instructed her to forfeit the battle and escape. And to find him a replacement so they can plot their attack on Sidious together. So she escapes to mother Talzin to get her a recruit for Dooku. Follow the same scenario with them discovering Savage and Maul, she can even bring along the two night sister warriors with lightsabers and invisibility and Dooku presented a full on assault against Sidious with these forces.
Sidious: *stretches* thanks for the exercise, I missed my Yoga class this week. *Looks around the room at the corpses* what's that saying about power and responsibility? Ah, I doubt any of you knew anything about power. *Leaves*
While Yoda was grandmaster, grandmasters arent selected for the combat prowess, it's often their wisdom of the force, not their overall power level that is often the selection critea, though wisdom and power are often correlated. Anakin for example would never have become grand Master, whereas Obi-Wan probably had the potential.
Dooku though dedicated himself to preparing to fight the Sith, and was one of the preeminent Saber duelists in the order.
Alas. Frogman yoda bouncing around with a spinny flashy baby-sword was made and while I outwardly laughed upon seeing it in the cinema everything since has pegged him as a gloriously unstoppable aggressive combatant rather than a being 1/3 the height, reach and a fraction of the muscle weight of an average sentient who is prone to taking a boot/knee/sword to the face but everyone is too polite to do in combat.
I vastly preferred yoda as the wise sage character, he didn’t need to become the wonderful amazing CGI geriatric spinning superball with a glow stick attached.
At the least he should have been a brutally dirty fighter and constantly aimed for the ankles, wrists, groin and toes to unbalance/disarm then finish a foe who can’t properly counter something so small, so low to the ground and so able to quickly change its direction of travel due to being light and constantly near the ground.
@@IRMentat ehh doesn't feel very light side to cheap shot in the groin
Dooku was known for his overall power level, potential, midichlorian count, prestige, wealth, status, class, rank, mastery, knowledge, sword usage, diplomacy, philosophy, and other things second to Yoda that would put Dooku as a Jedi Master ahead of Mace, Yaddle, Plo Koon, Shaak Ti, Qui Gon Jinn, Depa Belaba, Kit Fisto, Sensee Tinn, Agen Kolar, Tholme, Aayla Secura, Quinlan Vos, Anoon Bandera, And the other Jedi at the time minus Yoda he was already ahead of the rest of them in terms of force powers, force knowledge, force mastery, force refinement, raw power, potential, midichlorian count and so on only Yoda, Sidious, The Skywalkers, Mereks, Abeloth, The Father, The Son, The Daughter, And The Celestials had a higher potential of power then Dooku in Legends.
@@IRMentat, the Force augments Jedi in their physical acts. Why wouldn't Yoda be able to exert such ability in physical combat?
Sidious was smart for fearing Dooku. He didn't get to where he was at by being stupid.
If Dooku was able to find and cultivate a worthy apprentice to focus all of his teachings on we could have seen the reverse of the Maul/Oppress vs Sidious situation. In Dooku's position he could have undermined Sidious's entire operation to his and the separatists benefit. I would love to see a what if based on that premise.
In attack of the clones he offered this exact thing to obi wan but obi wan was, just like the Jedi order, blinded by what was right in front of them & blinded by the politics of the war
IF Dooku found a worthy apprentice: Dooku pushed Ventress and Savage hard, but it looks like they fell too far beneath his standards.
I'd imagine toward the end of the Clone Wars, Anakin Skywalker was the only prize worth pursuing.
Depends on the continuity. In Canon, both of Dooku's apprentices were pretty mediocre when compared to the upper echelons of the Force sensitive beings of the galaxy. In Legends, Ventress defeated Kit Fisto, killed or injured several other Jedi Masters, won a time or two against Obi-Wan Kenobi, and survived a short duel with Mace Windu. It doesn't matter that it lasted less than a minute, surviving against Mace Windu for any period of time is extremely impressive. Savage didn't exist in Legends, but Sora Bulq (the closest equivalent) was way better. He was a Weequay and former Jedi Battlemaster with many kills and the scars to prove them before his turn to the Dark Side. Battlemaster meaning you have to master all seven forms of Lightsaber combat. Basically, Legends Dooku got the lion's share of apprentices and Canon Dooku got sloppy seconds. Also, TCW/ Disney Canon Ventress is a disgrace to the name.
Hence why the rule of 2 is a thing. Sid would have killed any apprentice Duke took on.
I think that Dooku was always a superior strategist when it came to balancing the light and dark in himself but if it came down to a fight with Sidious he would embrace more of the dark side to augment his aged prowess knowing that it would be a do or die moment possibly giving him just enough power coupled with his arguably superior light saber skill to maybe catch Sidious off guard ergo winning but not outright being more powerful
Dooku was feared by Plagueis as well. He was a peerless diplomat, the premier lightsaber duelist of his day, and a prodigy with the Force. Plagueis knew that Dooku, at his peak, could be a physical AND political threat to the Sith, and Plagueis even contemplated turning Dooku as a true Sith apprentice.
I think that had Plagueis fought back when Sidious attacked and killed him, and succeeded in killing Sidious, that him and Dooku may have actually succeeded in ruling the galaxy forever, assuming that Plagueis finished his work and became immortal
I have to agree, Dooku being the better Swordsmen is probable, as it was something, as a Jedi, he perfected. If it came to blows, he would have the upper hand, until Sidious pulled out his force abilities. However, Dooku is shown to have very similar abilities, even using force lightning with one hand, while Sidious always used two, giving Dooku the ability to multitask both lightsaber combat and the force.
There is an argument that Dooku is actually a better strict swordsman than Yoda, and certainly Sidious. Think about it: It would take immense skill, unrivaled skill, to fight someone like Yoda on nearly even terms. Yoda is clearly more powerful in the Force and the duel should not have been even close. Think about what Yoda did to Ventress and Sidious to Maul. For Dooku to basically stalemate Yoda means his sword work as so good that he overcame the gap in Force power. Most impressive. Also take into what Dooku did to Anakin and Obi-Wan on Oba Dia, when those two were at their peak, is also incredible.
Actually in the version of attack of the clones I've got dooku won and was fighting at a disadvantage against yoda being tired already from having defeated 2 other jedi. The way it plays out on screen there's no reason to believe he wouldn't have defeated a 3rd if he wasn't running out of time to escape before the reinforcements arrived
Dooku got destroyed by Yoda. He would have gotten killed or captured if he hadn’t ran.
@@christianrapper captured by the clone army seconds away from interrupting the fight. Don't forget that context.
he’s also saruman so that helps haha
I stg Sidious was scared of seemingly everything
*why sidious was terrified after obi wan beat anakin
*why sidious feared qui gon
*why sidious feared yoda after order 66
*why sidious was terrified of Dooku
I mean, the guy singlehandedly overthrew thousands of years worth of the Republic, pitting millions of people against each other, growing a clone army from scratch and having them form emotional attachments to the jedi so they could be caught off guard, and grooming the most powerful man in the galaxy. I'm pretty sure he wrote everything down to what underwear Anakin would be wearing that day
When a single problem could've thrown a wrench in his decades worth of planning, I'd be terrified of EVERYTHING myself. It's a miracle it even worked at all if you think about it
"fear is the path to the dark side" -Ghandi or something, idk.
maybe he was out here listening to yodas fear leads to anger speech like ooo dang you right. Now to be scarred of everything.
fear is the path to the dark side
Something something fear something something greater power something something darkside
Sidious was grooming Anakin and getting a sense that he could defeat Dooku. That's why he pretended to get captured by the Seperatists on Grievous ship. Sidious knew Anakin would come to his rescue. This gave Sidious the opportunity to rid himself of Dooku...while gaining a more powerful ally.
And bring an end to the civil war, since enough Jedi were killed off.
@6:39,.... This has always been one of my favorite pictures of Darth Plagueis. It's so cool.
He was truly a master at the force in general. Besides his skill set, What made him so powerful is he thinks for himself. He could not be manipulated or used the way Anakin was.
But he was manipulated.
The more I learn about Palpatine the more impressive his metal ability becomes to me...his planning, manipulation, & knowledge makes him almost perfect as a character no matter the fact that he uses his gifts purely for power...it seems, if not for a moment of blind anger & rage blinding him of his surroundings, he may have been the greatest mastermind ever written...to think a mind could be so disciplined to always stay a few steps ahead of it's competition or enemies is amazing...the slightest sign that a person is a problem & he's already contemplating how to destroy them & always trusts his instincts...he almost blurs the line between evil & just great leader... regardless of his true intentions, he did turn the republic into a great, strong empire as he said he would...to be able to plan for betrayal all the betraying all around yourself is taxing & stressful making it nearly impossible to remain sharp
Or you could just call it plot-convenience.
Yeah his feats are good but not as impressive as many other Sith before him. The only reason he managed to take the Republic out was because he had the element of surprise. That's it. Even the long dead Sith like Darth Bane was disgusted that Sidious went the route he did with political month games instead of facing the Jedi like True Sith did.
@@talon532 agreed but remember, that was essentially the point of the Sith rule of 2...to grow in power, in the shadows, while the Jedi became complacent...plus Sidous was trained by Plageious (probably didn't spell that right) whole believed the force was a tool to be used & took a more scientific method in application rather than a true belief...with Sidous's raw power in the force imagine if he were trained by Bane...
I'm even more impressed by Plagueis who for sure matched (if not exceeded) Palpatine in power. Most of Palpatines plan was actually Plagueis's machinations
I have no clue why he was terrified? Yoda was about to wash his former Padwan. I think the next strike was game time which is why Dooku decided to pull a fast one.
Yeah that must be yet. Buahahahaha. Couldn't possibly have been the reinforcements that were about to arrive. Nor could it have been that he had an objective of getting out of there with the death star plans having already defeated to jedi a 3rd would have been nice but he was running out of time. Nah that couldn't be it.
Serious question for you yoda fan boys, can you actually get your lips off of yoda's ass for 5 minutes? Is it possible?
The guy was a failure and a menace in the prequals. He single handedly started the clone wars and lost both his duels yet you all swear hes the greatest thing ever and I just don't see it. Good character but I like him a lot better in the Empire strikes back and understand why he was that way. I don't seem the way you do at all, not at all
fact! midfight Dooku knew he wasn't gonna see a tomorrow lol..so he made a run for it lol
Yeah but it was the fact that Dooku was not able to easily be defeated by Yoda after Dooku easily handled Obi Wan And Anakin that made Sidious fear Dooku a bit more then before sure Dooku would of eventually lost to Yoda but the reality that it would not be a easy win for Yoda speaks volumes yeah.
Yeah, I remember reading that book Attack of the clones and I think Dooku realized early on WASN'T a match for Yoda.
Unless they change it in Canon, I don't believe Dooku was a match for Yoda; so Sideous could have been scared for that reason. Dooku realized quickly he needed to get the heck out of there or die.
He didn't wash him it was an stalemate at best Dooku had just got done Fighting Obi-Wan and Anakin(Which he had to work Furiously with according to the Novel) and him and Yoda were considered Equals by George which is why Dooku had to Flee before the Clones came to support Yoda
I did always find it interesting that Dooku was able to go toe to toe with Yoda, who in turn was able to go toe to toe with Sidious. I would assume that being the emperor and the Sith master would give Sidious the plot armor he needs to win every time, but that didn't stop him from getting floored by Mace. I know that the novelization clarified that Mace was amped up by Sidious' dark side energy, but that wasn't shown in the movie and I don't think it was Lucas' intention when writing the fight. Either way, it showed that Sidious is very beatable. Dooku should be able to win
Mace wasn’t amped by Palpatine’s dark side energy. The distinction between Juyo and Vaapad is that Vaapad doesn’t use the dark side energy, but reflects it back at the opponent without being touched by the Dark Side energy, else risk corruption. Like Tutaminis.
It’s why Quinlan Vos, Sora Bulq and Deepa Billaba were incapable of properly mastering Vaapad, cause when utilizing Vaapad, they would either give into, or in Deepa’s instance, be corrupted by dark side.
Well said I can't argue with that logic, however Mace bested Sidious and Yoda would have too if the emperor wasn't constantly trying to run away. No honor an weak sidious was lol.
Everyone says Maul beat Sidious, but I'm like 98% certain that Sidious lost on purpose. Dude lost his lightsaber *right* when his future apprentice came into the room, forcing him to choose one side or the other. You really don't think it was part of the plan? Like, c'mon, I figured this out the first time I watched it as a thirteen-year-old. I don't know what the novelization says, but Lucas's intention in the movie is pretty obvious.
Note that Mace had three Jedi Masters with him it is not like he started off fighting Sidious one on one from the get go same applies to Dooku fighting both Anakin And Obi Wan at the same time had it been one on one against each things would be different yeah.
@@PeacePetallol you’re one of those lol George Lucas said mace won fair and square. Learn something
If Yoda had tapped into the dark side even a little, he would've clapped Dooku and Sidious at the same time by himself. In the book "Dark Rendezvous" Dooku has a vision of what dark side Yoda would look like and he practically soiled his tunic.
Wait let me go re-read that😭😭
facts
He didn't nearly beat Yoda. He ran. The separatist knew Doku wasn't the head guy. Remember episode 1. There are two of them.
The leadership knew but the common folk and the rest of the representatives did not and really that's all you need for a rallying cry around said leadership and or sidious
I forgot when every separatist member said that quote in ep1, when did that happen?
@@jebalitabb8228 the emperor said he was going to send his apprentice to take care of the Jedi and then Darth maul stepped into the hologram
For reference George Lucas has confirmed that Dooku at this point is a direct *Equal* of Yoda
"You can't just go right into the sword fight, so I decided to go back to The Empire Strikes Back of throwing things at each other, even though I knew they were equal to each other, so it was a hopeless gesture and they would've figured that out in two seconds. But for the audience it's nice for them to go through this process of throwing everything around."
*Source: Source: George Lucas - AOTC DVD Commentary*
I’ve been saying this for years and I’ll say it again - I think Dooku and Windu are slept on in terms of dueling prowess. I think they are the two strongest duelists in all the galaxy during the prequel era - with Yoda, Palpatine, and Anakin being the next three in no particular order.
I thought Mace Windu being one of the strongest duelists is like a universal common knowledge. And I apologize if I'm offending true star wars fans. I've little to no knowledge on Star Wars.
I wouldn't put Anakin here
He is a powerful duelist but not a good one he always uses raw power to defeat his opponents that's how he defeated Dooku
His connection to the force and Dooku's age allowed Anakin to defeat him in a long light saber duel after Obi wan nearly got disposed of
For me it goes
Yoda Sidious
Dooku Mace
Anakin Obi Wan
I put yoda and sheev ahead based on overall power and lightsaber skills
I put Mace and Dooku below based on being more pure duelist dominant and second in force power
I put anakin and obi wan below them because anakins full potential is never realised pre vader and obi wan is a magnificient duelist, but just below them other 4
yoda absolutely trashed both dooku and sidious in lightsaber combat.
@@anthonygesswein1830tbh yoda is clear 1.
Plo Koon, Dooku and Mace Windu are stronger than Sidious in pure lightsaber combat, but worse at force powers.
The fact that Dooku held his own against Yoda at all is a feat to be impressed over, especially with the apparent fact Yoda was Palpatine’s equal
And after easily besting Obi Wan And Anakin shortly before is even more impressive yeah.
He ran away but I get your point.
Fan fact: Dooku was 20 years older than Palpatin. And so on, Sheev and Dooku didn't have the typical Master-padawan relationship since the padawan was wiser and more experienced in this specific situation. Also, Dooku lost with great difficulty to Anakin at the age of 83 and so he was nearly 30-40 years after his prime which is one of the reasons about why i believe that Dooku was by far the best at lightsaber combat being able to overwhelm much more powerful opponents.
Its to be noted that his mastered form was specifically made for duels too. Where Obi-wan would be able to go up against far stronger opponant with sword skills alone because they cant breach his defance.
Dooku specialises in exploiting all flaws in said defance or making one before exploiting it so he could also beat far stronger opponent with skills alone
@@Freedmoon44 , yep. Obi Wan was also an excellent duelist.
Hmm, so the main component missing for Dooku to be a true rival was that he didn't know Sidius's techniques for mitigating aging, so Sidius could just wait him out.
He didn't just meet Yoda on even terms, remember he had to dispatch two powerful top Jedis in Anakin and Obi-Wan (quite easily, it could be he was on top form that day) before taking on Yoda.
anakin is a padawan, but he still gave dooku a better fight than obi-wan, even then dooku had them beat handily, although he was tired after anakin's double saber attack
I just realized in this video that if Yoda had really wanted to kill Dooku, he'd have won in pretty short order.
At 2:27 you see Yoda jumping past Dooku with his sword passing very close by Dooku's head and Dooku only reacting and turning after Yoda is already bouncing off of the surface there.
If at that moment Yoda had rotated his sword hand about 90°, Dooku's head would have been clean taken off.
That may have been a choreography issue though.
Christopher Lee is just a really old actor and isn't the quickest on his feet. The CGI crew or the Choreography crew messed up the scene slightly. Regardless of that, it is obviously implied that they were nearly matched.
To further drive my point home, watch that whole scene again when he fights Anakin and Obi-wan solo. Both MacGregor and Hayden had to drastically slow down their movements in order to give some room for Lee to react and respond in their choreography. Whenever Obi or Anakin are fighting in other scenes their movements are way way quicker.
To me Dooku is the best duelist in the Galaxy and not only that but he's one of the smartest Sith ever because he used his knowledge from the light side in order to channel the dark side in a way that didn't consume him. In my opinion this can result in someone more powerful than somebody that just gets consumed by the rage of the dark side. Dooku knew how to navigate the dark side because of his experience in the force as a whole. He combined that knowledge with his unparalleled lightsaber skills. I think in lightsaber combat he was better than Sidious himself.. He also had a very precise strategic mind, so whatever he wanted to achieve, he did. I wish he and Ventress had better luck so that they could establish their own Sith group of their own. The difference with other sith apprentices is that Dooku was at the level of a Dark Lord of the Sith because of how much he studied the force as a Jedi, therefore Palpatine and Him were destined to clash eventually because of the fact that they were 2 dark lords instead of just 1. That's a mistake Palpatine didn't make with Vader, whom he tortured and repressed as much he could in order to keep him docile to him.
I think that Dooku was a good guy and if he remained at the side of the Jedis or maybe even changing to a Gray Jedi he would most likely reform the Republic from within
Darth Plagueis mentioned when Palpatine was younger and Count Dooku was a Jedi that Dooku was someone who was a threat to both of them, suggesting when Dooku was in his prime he was superior to a young Palpatine.
Palpatine was also fearful that when Dooku was initially exploring the dark side he was actually trying to lure him out and kill him, suggesting he wasn't sure that he could beat Dooku if they were to duel at that point. Sideous was stated to consider him and Dooku, so it makes sense that he would be very fearful of Dooku potentially being able to overthrow him.
Yoda never lost to Sideous though. Sideous was fearful of Yoda and tried to flee against Yoda. Yoda also overwhelmed him in his lightsaber duel and had Palpatine on the defensive the entire fight. Even in when Sideous clashed with Yoda in the force, Yoda's tutaminis clearly was starting to overwhelm Sideous. Yoda simply was just standing closer to the edge than Sideous so he fell a greater distance where he couldn't re-engage Sideous, but he was still relatively uninjured. He simply took too long to defeat Sideous so he had to retreat, as Sideous had reinforcements coming.
I’d love to see a prequel mini series showing Dooku’s rise, and fall, as a Jedi. To even begin to imagine Sidious uneasy with Dooku really tells you something.
You got your wish: Tales Of the Jedi: Episode 2-4-
@@jamesbellefeuille2926 cool
I feel like you forgot to mention that Dooku threw the fight on Sideous’ orders. Dooku did not actually lose that duel.
Source?
Throwing a fight is still losing
@@loghanditheimperialdiehard8876 either the novelization or one of the comics, I'm not the original commenter here but I remember reading this as well, just don't remember which media I read it in.
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He was under the impression that he'd go to prison and ride out the end of the clone wars to be pardoned later and take his place at palpatine's side.
He knew Palpatine had plans for Ani, but falsely assumed it was to be another field agent cover for them; as we know, Lord Vader was his replacement.
@@thegrimhorseman He wasn't necessarily given instructions to throw the fight, but he was given instruction to not damage Anakin and merely test his abilities. Anakin basically caught him off guard with how powerful he had become, so yes he was holding back, but also definitely didn't intend on losing like he did.
@@JonnyLin7Note that it started out with Anakin AND Obi Wan fighting Dooku while he was by himself it never started one on one with Anakin fighting Dooku like Luke was fighting Vader yeah.
Dooku Vs Sidious would be a very interesting match up.
But, as history always shows,
The Apprentice kills the Master.
Then takes his place.
Ima need you to stop saying sidious won the duel between yoda because yoda defeated him and disarmed him. Sidious only stalemated him in the force clash
That's big facts
I kind of like seeing the older looking Dooku actor jumping around and wielding a blade with such energy. Regardless of his actor's age, it was just nice to see the older guys showing the young bucks to respect their elders.
If dooku can deal with sidious speed he can defeat him
Well he cant deal with his FORCE AUGMENTED speed.He cant deal with his force power
Anakin couldnt even see Sidious fight Mace
Sidious and Yodas speed are proof of their force augmentation which is proof of their power in the force
@@REALFIGURES-tj7fl well yoda yes but mace recieved a buff through vaapad . It was said in novel that mace vs sidious was appearing to be fading in an out of time from anakins point of view.
Would he have be successful in other era's like the old republic, or the early years of the sith empire? I don't think he would have the power to make his cunning useful.
Imagine him duel valkorion/vitiate or darth nox with those force ghosts
Who? Sidious?
In any other time in the past 1000 years, Dooku would have been Jedi Grand Master or Paramount Sith Lord. As it was, Dooku was groomed to be Yoda's successor. The Grand Master of the Jedi never take on apprentices. Yoda had ceased taking on Padawans after he turned 600. In both cases, Yoda made an exception for Dooku. Yoda himself said that Dooku was the Jedi's best student, most knowledgeable of the Force and its greatest and most powerful warrior (other than himself). "The best of us, Dooku was." (Dark Rendezvous).
@@Duplotopf yes
@@AssassinoSighted how are they and I might sidious
A what if scenario… Dooku actually not dead, Appears with Yoda to fight Sideous. Id love to see that
Well Sidious dies the end, its like Windu and Yoda rly, hell Windu and Dooku should be enough too to win
"You have become my RIVAL"
Idk about “nearly defeated Yoda” Dooku is the one that fled
I would agree it is a bad phrase. More like "Held is own and and fought on nearly equal terms."
Once Plagueis abandoned the rule of two to Palpatine for his studies in the outer rim, Palpatine then became angry with his master and saw this as weakness. At this time Plagueis did not care if Maul was officially Darth Maul.
The title makes it sound like after PALPATINE dueled Yoda he became afraid of Dooku.
Dooku and qui gon have always been some of my favorites
Yoda outclassed Dooku in every way during their duel, where's this "stand still" nonsense coming from?
Its because, in the end, Dooku was able to fight Yoda on equal terms. Dooku fled because that was his goal the whole time. Yoda was slowly pushing back but couldn't overwhelm him. Dooku was not being dominated like Maul was by Sidious. In fact, in the saber portion of their duel, Dooku did better against Yoda than Sidious did.
From there fanboy dreams. They have a hard on for yoda and so they make excuses and pretend that he fought to a standstill when he was clearly defeated. It's kind of pathetic given that dooku was probably tired from having defeated 2 other jedi before he took on yoda accomplished all of his objectives and clearly won because yoda accomplished none of his.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 Dooku wasn't being dominated like Maul was by Sidious because 1, Yoda doesn't abuse his force powers like Sidious does, 2 he had no intentions of inflicting damage on Dooku and 3 he's held back by the Jedi code. Idk why you even compared those fights
@@thealmightypancakeface95851. If Yoda did not want to harm Dooku then he would of not sent his force lightning back at him he would of pushed it to the side instead which Dooku already had a great mastery of tutimunus like Yoda even before he turned to a sith due to being Yodas prized pupil for a combo of reasons in Legends. 2. Yoda was willing to kill Dooku if need be but he preferred not to same as vice versa as if Dooku really wanted Yoda dead then he would of killed him while he had him distracted with the pillar. 3. George himself said they were equally matched with the force at the time and with a Saber Dooku left because the clones and the other armies would be arriving soon and he wanted to guard the death star plans yeah.
The Dooku and Qui-gonn combo is indeed the biggest threat to him which is why had one killed and tried to control the other for as long as he could before also having him killed
I would certainly be afraid of a man who could not only beat me in a lightsaber duel, electrocute me, but also pull all my teeth out - which Dooku learned in his short career as a dentist when he assassinated and then assumed the identify of Willbur Wonka in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Dooku also easily defeated a very capable Jedi Knight and his very strong Padawan, right before dueling Yoda (you can make the argument that Dooku was warmed up after his trouncing of Obi Wan and Anakin).
I'm reading a crossover fic with Worm /Parahumans by Wildbow, where the butterfly effects of the crossover lead directly to Dooku remaining with the Jedi Order, and literally dedicating himself to hunting down the mysterious Sith--all because they told him how Qui-Gon died.
Yoda being completely OP in that one fighting video game is hilarious considering his actual prowess with a lightsaber.
In terms of Power Darth sidious and Dooku really have similar abilities like Force lighting,force choke and excellent lightsaber skills⚔⚔.
And force speed, force barriers, force shields, and force healing I am surprised Dooku did not also have force scream yeah.
I would like to see a story set in the Stupendous Wave Thumbnail universe, where everyone simultaneously HATES, LOVES, and is TERRIFIED of everyone else.
That's funny as hell.but I think the same thing every time I see a video.
I have read almost every Legends and Cannon book, seen all the movies, and series. About Sidious, due to his upbringing, training, & lack of 1 on 1 interactions he never really knew how he would compare with others. So, Intelligently I believe he was weary of EVERYONE. Thinking what if, could they be more powerful, are they plotting, did they find me out. Ultimately this ensured nobody did surpass him.
In Legends Dookus potential in the force was not as high as Sidious, Yoda, The Skywalkers, Or Mereks but it was high enough were Dooku could still put up a good fight and not be bested so easily same with Obi Wan, Mace, And Maul although based on potential in Legends before Disney took over Dooku was said to overall have more potential then the other three people I mentioned yeah.
@@matthewmann8969 In the Dooko novel they kinda say he is just as powerful as the greatest ever. Of course later on he was very old.
So, when EXACTLY did Dooku "almost" beat Yoda and meet him on "even ground"..??? It was quite obvious that Yoda was simply toying with Dooku, and then when he was about to get serious, Dooku noticed and thus put Kenobi and Skywalker in danger because he knew Yoda wouldn't let them die.
In most Legends sources if says they were on even footing or close enough in there duel in Geonosis even George Lucas said there force battle was equal with Yoda having a slight edge with the blade yeah.
Interesting note Palpatine ran when yoda confronted him while dooku stood his ground and engaged him
Because Dooku has experience fighting Yoda and as a Jedi was a near equal to Yoda with the blade and with the force at least in Legends yeah.
I’m impressed you managed to make a 9 minute video repeating the same thing but slightly changing things up. Reminds me of the meme of people trying to stretch for word counts.
Alas, the Darth Plagueis novel has been relegated to "legends", no?
It is, unfortunately. I thought it was as good as Tarkin. And I like Plagueis the character a lot.
Always wondered how palpatine convinced dooku to be his underling. Why did dooku agree to serve an aging sith politician?
Because dooku sought knowledge of the dark side, and Palpatine was nearly the only person with it
That was a lot of information about: Dooku, Ventress, Sideius and Plagus that I didn't know about.
I feel like a potential theory as to how/why Dooku lost to Anakin is not just that Anakin was Growing in power and Dooku was just aging, but I feel like it might have been the Force abandoning him, as Maul had sensed on Naboo as he dueled with Qui Gon and Obi Wan.
The reason I think this is because if Dooku had won Sidious's plan would have failed. How? well Dooku not being defeated would have left Anakin Farther From joining the Dark Side, potentially just enough to allow Windu to kill Sidious. Thats just if it was a stale mate, but in reality Dooku Should would have killed Anakin if not for this potential abandonment by the force. This would mean a few things, A. Sidious's plan would be delayed by at least a few years so that he could find a new apprentice. B. Sidious would have probably been killed/ousted before being ready to execute order 66 bc the Jedi were already weary of him and some, like yoda, were catching on to who sidious might be through force visions, C. Not having a apprentice would have stalled order 66 a few more years, Potentially having both the sepratists and the republic crumble before palpatines plans came into fruition. Lastly, this delay would have given Dooku enough time to overthrow Palps.
This all connects to the Force abandonment because if any of the scenarios happened then the balance to the force would not be brought, so the force abandoned Dooku, allowing itself to be balanced.
PS: Srry for the long as$ comment
I have A question for anyone: If Galen Marek had fully embrace the dark side and became the new sith apprentice of Sidious(...) Do you think luke would have stood some chance or would he attempt to bring Galen back to the light ?
Legends Luke: I'm about to end this man's whole career
I don't think he would try to save Galen and if Luke had enough training time I think he would end Sidious and Starkiller at once, Imagine an episode 6 with Luke, Leia and Yoda VS Sidious and Starkiller
@@sozinscomet1316 That'll be great. Uhh(...) I want to see that now ! But in all seriousness; I don't think luke would get the opportunity to train under Yoda-if you played the ultimate sith edition of the force unleashed; the battle between Galen and luke would be similar to that battle with the only difference is; Galen wouldn't be turning luke over to the dark side.
@@savagedarksider5934
I know, thats why i said "If Luke had enough training"
Legends Luke is so op, but he needs time to be that powerful
According to Sids Galen had the same potential as himself which is why he wanted to replace a Crippled Vader with him until Luke came along that has the same potential as pre injured Anakin yeah.
the heads of state of the separatist knew about sidious , he talked to them after dookus death and even spoke to gunray back when he only had the confederacy initiating the blockade
I’m not feeling this. Dooku did not hold his own against Yoda - it was a short duel by the standards set in other movies. Dooku had to use a diversion tactic and barely escaped with his life. Dooku was never a real Sith apprentice. He was a placeholder for Anakin; a truth he realized far too late, and only after Anakin wrecked him. I agree that Dooku had knowledge about the Dark Side entering into the relationship. I’d love to see how that relationship developed, because Dooku knew who Sidious was even before he formally left the Jedi Order, even before Maul died. (And it’s pretty obvious that Maul also was more a weapon than a true Sith; Palpatine kept most of his secrets.)
Anyway, Palpatine wouldn’t have feared Dooku because, despite the role he assumed, the Count was never actually interested in ruling anything. Just another way he was never a true Sith - he did not covet power. He would have been a perfectly happy servant to power if power was free of corruption. He wanted to actually do what he believed Jedi were meant to do, what they failed to do in following the will of the corrupt Republic: serve the living force, and those in the galaxy with great needs. Dooku had been tricked by Palpatine into believing that their desires aligned, when Palpatine and the Sith got to where he was by literally BEING the corruption!
So Palpatine would’ve known all along that his secret was safe. Because it literally was safe, he took it to his death, even as he stood before the Jedi trained by his Padawan and the bloody CHOSEN ONE, he kept the secret. By that point, the Separatists had clearly lost the war (despite their insane gambit at Coruscant, which had only worked because Palpatine had orchestrated it to eliminate Dooku), and he’d made no attempt to betray Palpatine or even prepare a contingency. He was committed to the cause he’d believed he was fighting, up until the moment he realized he’d been tricked.
And I agree with you that he probably would’ve been a tougher battle for Sidius than any Jedi this side of Yoda, probably even tougher than Mace Windu, but I feel that Palpatine knew (or at least THOUGHT he knew) he could even take Yoda. He believed that the Sith were more powerful than the Jedi, and by the accounts of the Jedi themselves, their power WAS diminished. And if he knew he could take Yoda, then he would’ve known he could take Dooku, especially if he withheld all (or even only most) of the most critical Sith secrets.
I mean, ultimately Dooku was less a rival to Palpatine and more a test for Anakin, that Anakin needed to pass in order to become Vader.
Duels of Obi-Wan Kenobi are much longer, because he is not an aggressive fighter. Instead he waits for his opponent to make a mistake. Like attacking from the lower ground.
There’s like another 10 videos of “THE ONLY PERSON SIDIOUS FEARED” a day, and they’re all different people
ORDER 66
A great video essay. I’d imagine Sidious wouldn’t fear Dooku.
Dooku could take the emperor if he were at clone wars level.
Darth Plagueis stated that Dooku could beat Sidious in a lightsaber duel an that Dooku was also more powerful than Sidious at that time
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. Hate leads to...decapitation.
Sometimes I wonder if people actually pays any attention. Dooku knew he stood no chance of defeating Yoda hence why he used desperation tactics and tried to make the pillar fall on Obi-Wan. He didn't defeat Yoda he knew he would lose and thus the desperation strategy. Yoda would have won instead of it being a draw had Dooku not used that desperation move. He used it to save face from the defeat he knew was coming.
@4:35 "Sidious could only speak through Dooku." We see Sidious speaking to the Trade Federation in The Phantom Menace and with the Separatist leaders in The Revenge of the Sith.
Now I want to imagine a universe where Dooku actually assassinated Palpatine alongside Ventress and therefore won the war for real, separating from the republic. Hell, I believe that would be basically a cold war at that point, since, separated from the republic, the systems that were on the former Separatist movement would be basically in peace, and if Dooku was with them, the Jedi would basically have no possible justification to go after him, since that would be breaking their pacifist code. If that happened, the Sith would probably become a colossal threat to the galaxy again, since now their dominant representative would be an actual leader known and liked by his people, instead of a phantom menace that few people know about or a mysterious emperror whose face is largely unknown. That could lead to a quite interesting paralel universe honestly.
Regarding your take, I think the Sith would probably be less of a threat because once Dooku gets what he wants, I doubt he would try to overstep his bounds.
If lightsaber forms had martial arts belts
*Kit fisto, Dooku, Obi Wan, Yoda, Plo Koon, Darth Maul and Mace Windu enter palpatines office to arrest him*
Sideous: I take it general grivous has been destroyed?
Mace: In the name of the galactic senate of the republic you are under arrest.
Sideous: Are you threatening me master jedi?
Obi Wan: we will let the senate negotiate your fate.
Sideous: I AM the senate!
Dooku: Dont be so sure my lord.
*Sideous stands up*
Sideous: Its treason then.
*Ignites lightsaber*
Plo Koon: You cant take all of us.
Darth Maul: were masters of our respective forms.
Dooku: Im the grandmaster at makashi. 😈
Obi wan: Im the grandmaster at form 3 😁
Plo koon: Im the form 5 master 😉
Yoda: mastered all 7 forms i did, grandmaster of form 4 i am.
Kit fisto: hey yo form 1 😎
Darth maul: am i a joke to you?! I mastered form 6!
Mace: Mother fu-ker i mastered form 7 and created a new varient!
Sideous: 👁👄👁
Sideous would be *TOOOOOAST!* 🤣🤣🤣
You think when Sidious had these thoughts he followed them up with the second thought; “Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen” ?
it would be cool if they made an alternate timeline where dooku takes over.
Palpatine DID NOT win the duel against Yoda how can you get that wrong?
He simply bought himself enough time for the clones to come.
Yoda actually forced Sidious to give up the lightsaber duel and rely on the force to try to defeat and even then Yoda overpowered Palpatine in the force, containing his force lightning and pushing him to the edge of the platform, Yoda didn’t have the chance to continue the duel due to his small size which made him fall further after the impact of his force push.
Great work. Thank you.
Dooku was one of the best duelists we have ever met, sadly Christopher Lee died, but was still the badest mf with a LightSabre we had.
Then we started to see Ashoka series, and all those duels with Anakin and Baylan Skoll, showed us how much better all these Duelists were, relegating Dooku far down the ladder of Duelists.
This is like the LightSabre colours . . . after Samuel L Jackson decided to have a purple one, every new story was invented about the Sabre Colors.
I really wish that absolutely all of the Jedi and Sith would hunt down and then get rid of absolutely all of the evil beings of our Planet.
Hey but you already made this video. How Dooku terrified Sidious after fighting Yoda
Brevity is the soul of wit. Take that to heart, please.
I'm pretty sure Sidious feared Dooku cause he was played by Christopher Lee
we need disney to make a movie on ALL of star wars lore and i hope stupendous wave can narrate it
He’s not terrified of Dooku, Dooku had a claim at being a slightly better duellist than Sidious but Sidious had him totally outmatched in the force. This is hyperbolic click bait.
All this guys videos are
I wouldn't even say he's a better duelist than Sidious at all, a canon list has Sidious at 2nd place, while Dooku is at 4th.
@@thealmightypancakeface9585 I think he is talking about Legends
The main thing I dislike about the novelization is that they ret-conned Dooku into an irredeemable monster that basically wanted to enslave all non-humans. There was no indication of this in the movies or the clone wars show and it strips all the depth from his character. His story was a compelling tragedy; an idealist who did terrible things in pursuit of a noble goal, only to die a villain who brought nothing but harm in the end. The novelization just makes him objectively evil with no nuance at all.
Duelist that we have seen on screen during clone wars. 1. Windu because he bested sidous and dooku didnt even dare to challenge him in single combat.. 2. Sidous because he bested yoda even after being weakened in his fight with windu. 3. Dooku because he tied with yoda, even after being tired by his match with anakin. 4. Yoda. 5. Obi wun because he was able to hold off anakin even though anakin was fighting to kill obi wun and obi wun was not t fighting to kill anakin. 6. Anakin only reason he defeated dooku was because dooku underestimated him and dooku was attempting to turn him to the Darkside and kill him during their duel.
I like the way the fights were described in the prequel books. Dooku versus anakin and obi wan was a duel of high energy (especially so once 2 blades were taken up) versus a lifetime of efficiency and self control.
Later when more evenly matched on the “palpatine rescue” dooku simply couldn’t break anakin down any more so it became a duel of old master versus youth rising into his physical peak as a man.
Dooku was a legit threat initial ruse or not but anakin was a war leader with years of experience behind him by then even disregarding the clone wars cartoon canon with all those additional duels, padawan training and troop leadership scenarios.
Dooku inevitability would have turned on sideous. prime example of this is when he told obi wan of darts sidious ruling over the senate & offered obi wan to work with him to take down the sith together in Attack of the Clones. He even talks about how he wishes qui gon were still alive because he could use his help, obi wan said how QG would never join his side & dooku said he shouldn’t be so certain of that. I like to think dooku would’ve been more aligned with the confederacy than the empire making the conflict between the too all more inevitable
At least in the ROTS novelization Dooku was a human supremacist who despised his Confederate "allies" who were exclusively non-human. Since said allies didn't seem to know about this it seems this was a recent development, and one which Dooku kept to himself. So I wonder if Sidious was deliberately planting such ideas into Dooku's head to keep him from deciding that a victory of the Confederacy, which he led, would serve his goals better than becoming a mere servant at best to a Sidious-led Empire?
7:21 "Won" is a big word
Yoda kind of stopped fighting not because he couldn't beat sidious physically but because he'd already been beaten politically which is why he went into exile instead of fighting sidious to the death... Yoda's only chance of "Victory" was no longer in a physical fight for even if he beat sidious the Jedi had already been destroyed politically beyond recovery *especially* if he killed sidious.
Maybe if they had somehow captured him there'd be some chance of victory but not if he killed him which is what I imagined must have been the only other way out.... the only points I see where sidious could have been captured were if Dooku turned on him before his fight with Anakin and Kenobi. (It'd be 3 against 1 with sidious tied to a chair.)
Or when Mace was conflicted over killing him... if he had instead cut his hand off then sidious could have possibly been captured.
4:37 you good bro? That was a big breath.
As tough and smart as Sidious was…he still ate a plasma sandwich on the second Death Star.
Sidious fought before the Clone Wars in legends. Here and there during assassinations and defending against attacks occasionally with Plageius
I want a what if novel showing the outcome of Dooku and Asajj Ventress overthrowing Sidious and what that would've meant for the future.
Ive really liked the videos you have been uploading, super cool and informative. Also palpy is my fav so im biased on videos with him in it.
Plagus died the night Palpatine became supreme chancellor, according to something I read, not when Maul died.
I've been saying it for years, if Sidious were ever foolish enough to cross sabers with Dooku, he would be lucky to survive. I forget where it was mentioned that Dooku was basically a savant with the lightsaber, something like a chess prodigy...but also he worked tirelessly on his craft, he loved it. Few things are harder to overcome than someone who is not only gifted but worked hard at it as well
He used form 2 as well which was a fencing style used one handed, and his lightsaber was curved and designed specifically for dueling. Meaning most of his opponents he defeats with one hand behind his back metaphorically for the most part.
I would love a hypothetical battle between a younger dooku and with sidious. I've always been curious about who was the better duelist. I think it could go either way. But a break down of the fight and skills of each would be fun
Again: weary = tired. worn out.
Wary = careful