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a dehumidifier might be able to help with that manly condensation.. 🙂 great video again man - always appreciate the insight. I usually don't have the channels etc that these shows are broadcast over (i.e. disney produced content) and so my only points of reference to and/or understanding of these shows comes through watching content produced by just a handful of folks like you. So again, the thought you put into your videos is very welcome, and in particular that pertaining to your relating in universe material/lessons etc to the real world. As always, keep up the good work and hang in there.
no no WE DID NOT, he is still a lying back stabbing two face pure evil prick, yes this show shows him how they should always has, but do not change his dumb story in clone wars
The best description of Dooku's situation was "struggling to control a Faustian bargain". The CIS of course was no friend, but the grievances Dooku laid out against the Republic were well founded. If Dooku hadn't left the Jedi Order, he would have been one of the bare handful of Masters who could have handled Anakin as a padawan.
I think that anakin himself would have kept dooku from turning. After all it was qui gons last request for anakin to be trained I think that dooku would have done this to honor qui gon, and in the end not only be the perfect master for anakin but also remain a part of the light side because of it.
Sorry, but the CIS was his brainchild. He believed in a complete revolution. He was the one who started it, propagandized against the feckless and corrupt Republic, and ultimately led the charge headfirst into a revolutionary war against a stale and stagnant 2,000 year old system. He hated the Republic, and he resented the Jedi for sitting on their hands and doing nothing. You literally cannot on one hand say that the CIS was no friend, but then accept his overwhelming involvement in its creation. It wasn't the Trade Federation, Banking Guilds, or Techno Union that started it; Dooku was the one who brought them all together. Dooku not only led this charge (and possibly authored a lot of this in Sideous' overall plan that he inherited from Darth Plagueis), but likely believed that the CIS would be the victor in the war, which plotted out a pathway to righteously govern the galaxy. It was the Sith who was no friend to him. He wanted to destroy the Sith, and he was truthful in his conversation with Obi-Wan. This scene was ingenious, and I frankly hate it when people said that he was just sweet-talking Obi-Wan--such insights are false, and only serve to undermine the mastery of this scene. He and his padawan, Qui Gon, are two sides of the same coin caught between a rock and a hard place. Neither of them like the Jedi and see them as immovable in the Order's dogmatic and narrow convictions. Qui-Gon is the anti-establishment on the light side of the Force, and Dooku is the same on the dark side. Dooku doesn't like the Sith--in fact, he warned the Jedi many times against its return, even as a child when he had visions of it. He saw Sifo Dias as a friend he could trust, but ultimately understood that his death was necessary to topple the Republic. He saw Palpatine as a necessary evil, and like the Sith's Rule of Two, he was constantly plotting avenues to dsestroy him--including his offer to Kenobi to help him overthrow the Sith Lord.
Dooku was just as much a victim of Sidious as the rest. He was always a tool for Sidious just like the rest. Only in his final moment did he finally realize that truth... Same as the rest.
Dooku and Vader both understood. With Dooku, he thought he can outsmart Palpatine. Vader, might as well. Dooku, didn't really believe in the Sith. I think he believed in a balance of the forces, and so it was ok to use the Dark side.
I never misunderstood Dooku. The new Tales of the Jedi shorts perfectly line up with my view of him being an idealistic rebel who wasn't a full Sith. There was still hope for him, there was always hope for him. If he was born in a different age, like say, the SWTOR era with Satele Shan, Dooku would've stayed with the Order, especially since Satele's Jedi Order tolerates even dark-siders in their midst, so long as they remain loyal to the Republic. The worst thing Satele does to Dark-sided Jedi in her midst was not promote them, but she still tolerates them and lets them do their job. Dooku would've fit in as one of those Jedi who sometimes goes dark, but they either turn a blind eye or even approve of his actions.
IN war, you can't always do things good guys would do. How do fight a war, with out killing. Isn't that what Andor is suppose to be about. He killed a friend just to keep the Rebel secrets alive. Dooku believed he had to do some unsavory things as well, so he can do the greater good later.
Staying Loyal to the Republic seemed to me to be the issue Dooku was having. He wanted things to be different but felt any means was necessary until one day he didn't care about the lie cause he never expected there to be one.
well, notice what Darth Vader said. It's how Dooku feels. They all know Palpatine is evil, but he is too powerful. Palpatine dangle the hope that the other will take over to fix the evil he created, while keeping them in check. I think he even did that to Tarken.
It's been said that each of the 3 main prequel villains represents an aspect of Vader. Dooku is a metaphor for Anakin's nobility which would lead him to save his son at the cost of his own life.
I can see that completely. I'd guess that Maul represents the sheer fear factor Vader uses with the Force, and Grievous represents another cyborg who is proficient even when dependent on machinery.
@@arw1985 No. Maul mirrors the hatred, anger, and rage of Vader. Dooku mirrors Vader in that they both were amazing individuals with bright futures who were corrupted and brought to the Dark Side by Sidious. You're right about Grevious though. He mirrors what Vader would become physically.
@@GenerationTech I think because he wanted to believe in something that was built upon a lie…not all that far-fetched actually. Sidious was the puppet master.
I think Dooku was right about a lot of things but ended up taking foolish and destructive actions because of it. Would really have loved to see what Yaddle would have done had she survived.
I'd have followed a similar, but at the same time radically different path, and would have probably created something more akin to the Rebel Alliance in place of the CIS, drawing upon the same ideals, but without the corporate influences, and without embracing the Sith: Freedom can never come through tyranny.
Dooku’s downfall was believing that an authoritarian society would root out the corruption and decadence of the Republic. The Empire Dooku helped create had all the flaws of the Republic, only now without the democracy, free speech, or accountable leadership to limit it. In the end Palpatine didn’t care about Dooku’s idealism beyond lip service and only wanted the Empire as a means to empower himself. I think Dooku only came to realize that in the last seconds of his life.
@@solarsailor1534 I'm not sure if the Empire was corrupt and just more spiritually bankrupt from the rule of the sith, ie everything is supposed to benefit palpatine. I mean quite frankly from the looks of it the Republic got what it deserved and Palpatine did at least put a better system in place in certain aspects.
@@krel3358there is always that one guy who unironically defends the fascist bad guys. no, the empire was objectively worse for almost everyone. it has been shown countless times that however terrible the republic was, the empire was infinitely worse. he did not make any changes to the system that would benefit anyone besides himself. he visibly liked watching people suffer and grovel, he had no cares about the common folk, in fact he detested people in general. he oversaw multiple genocides, he legalized slavery, he invaded countless planets for no reason other than for his benefit. you can say the republic didnt help slaves, but it didnt directly enslave people or encourage it. you could say living in the republic was not the best for everyone, you cannot say it wrung every planet, system, person dry for any benefit. you could say the republic was a fake democracy, you couldnt say it was openly fascistic and a dictatorship. at least the senate under the republic was used to benefit some people who needed it, while still putting corporations and the rich above everybody else. under the emperor it only benefitted the senators and of course the emperor.
It's a sad thing that Dooku and Anakin wound up on opposite sides. In another time, in another life, the two of them would've been good friends. Imagine if Qui-Gon survived the duel on Naboo with Darth Maul, but the Jedi Council still refused to train Anakin, since in the normal timeline, they only trained him out of pity for the dead Qui-Gon. Qui-Gon then joins Dooku as the two of them desert the Jedi ranks, and Qui-Gon has Dooku train Anakin, and the two of them become good friends, as they come to agree with each other on how broken and weak the Republic truly was.
This episode proved that there was no hope for Anakin, the tendrils of the Sith were tightening around the necks of the Jedi well before the discovery and training of Anakin.
Palpatine had to get rid of Qui Gon. Dooku needed him to understand what's going on. I think Dooku and Qui Gon both knew that the Dark side is not the problem, but rather it needs balance with the light. The problem is when your in the middle, you can't see where you are.
I also noticed how Yaddle in her fight with Dooku seemed sad and filled with regret when she learns about Dooku's turn. It can be seen that she really does care about him when she gave him a chance to come back. But at this point Dooku had already made up his mind and Yaddle's admittance of the Jedi council's failings just solidified his view of the Jedi Order.
Indeed, in fact most jedi were upset and surprised by his turn - as indicated by the deleted scene in AOTC with Jocasta and Obi, and the meeting where they discuss the attempted assassination on Padmé's life. He was a great man.
I found myself relating to Dooku more than I thought. Hopefully we can get another season of Tales giving us a deeper look into Alek squinquargesimus (Darth Malak).
I wouldn't mind a full-on series. I have always liked Dooku and his novel. But this did add some more layers to him, which is great. Love to see more of his relationship with gin.
Everyone no matter which government rules them will relate to dooku in some way. The only difference between the star wars universe and ours is that the our reality hasn’t gotten to that point.. YET
I didn't really have an idea what kind of man Dooku was, but Qui-Gonn pretty much said it; "To be a Jedi is not an easy challenge, and even if you succeed, its a hard life". Dooku was no different.
Qui Gon would not be himself, it wasn't for Dooku. THe Librarian said Dooku was one of the brightest. Dooku understood something that the other Jedi's failed, and unluckily he isn't the man who could fix it, but did teach these lessons to Qui Gon, who understood it better. I think the problem is , Star wars has gotten too big, but even when it was first made, there are conflicting ideas of where it should go. The problem is Disney have the movie people run amuck, with out understanding the philosophy that is behind the force. The goal according to Qui gon is to bring balance to the force. THis is base on Taoism. It is'n't for the light side to win, or destroy the dark.
@@slewone4905 Except when you go meta and look at what george Lucas believes, the goal essentially IS for the "light side" to win. Thing is, the whole "equally balanced in the force" thing you bring up is exactly what Disney got wrong about the force. It's not a literal equilibrium of 1 bad guy and 1 good guy that compliments one another. In the force, George has explained time and time again that the dark side consumes you and festers into something undesirable. Things like over extended pleasure, selfishness, these are what he says dooms an individual without true peace that comes without discipline. The sith must be eradicated because they bring nothing but perversion to the galaxy and the force. The "light side" that we know it as is just the force. We only call it the light side to distinguish it from the dark.
@@joshuawalters7520 Well, he did need to immerse himself fully to accomplish certain things - like defeating Jedi or pushing his own agenda. Even Palpatine lacks Sith eyes when he's not being overtly Sith. If Anakin hadn't killed him, I'm sure he'd go all Sith eyes publicly before too long.
Movies: Dooku is a bad guy. Anakin and Obi Wan, go hit bad guy. Expanded lore: Dooku is a rogue Jedi that sees all the problems with the Jedi Order and the corruption within the republic.
1. It should be noted that Dooku does not agree with Sidious and planned to betray him. But he did not realize Sidious would turn on him much earlier. 2. We never even got personal moments for Dooku during the Clone Wars but only scenes of Dooku working with Sidious and Grievous. 3. Dooku betrayed Ventress because he was forced to by Sidious and antagonized her so she will no longer be on Sidious' radar. He knows she cannot easily die. 4. Dooku even gave Ventress a heads up on hologram rather than just ordering the droids to quietly murder her (Order 66 style betrayal). 5. Dooku only acted evil in front of actual villains to keep up appearances and maintain Sidious' trust in him. Dooku was playing the Game of Thrones (Win or Die).
Well his training of Savage was preety well... Savage lol. Although Savage at that point was corrupted af. Still Dooku is now one of my Top 5 Star wars characters.
They mishandled everyone I am afraid. If an actual plan was set for Rey, Kylo and Finn, I would imagine they would be seen in a much better light today.
Dooku's Legends quote about Yoda describes him perfectly. Yes, Yoda was very powerul, wise and intelligent. But his old age which led him to see many friends and apprentices see grow old and die combined with him being in power for centuries led him to become detached and unable to change. And what's worse no Jedi ever challenged him. In fact since all the Jedi basically worshipped him, they never even thought about challenging him. This led to the Jedi becoming stagnant while the galaxy was changing around them. If Yoda were to die and he was replaced by let's say Mace Windu it would've been better. Yes, Mace wasn't ideal but he was a different generation with a different outlook. But to be fair to Yoda, he was at least partially self aware since e.g. he wanted a maverick Qui-Gon in the Jedi Council but he refused.
I have been a fan of Dooku ever since I heard about Christopher Lee's fencing career. I have learned many lore about him because of it. The show made him more of a kinder person
Wow! Talk about fanboy syndrome! You guys do realize this is Darth Tyranus we're talking about here? This guy is an absolute TERROR!!! The teacher & mentor of General Grievous!!! There is one thing I'm willing to admit -- Obi-Wan, arguably the greatest warrior in the history of the galaxy, could not figure out Dooku...
@@erob9446 well, now, see, that's where you're wrong-- there is a shame involved. I believe the term is called "Opprobrium".. If you're deriving any pleasure, guilty or otherwise, from Dooku's personal ethos, or his many nefarious exploits, then perhaps there is more going on there than what's been revealed... You need to seek the guidance of the council for clarification...
@@chrisnyasia7 bro shut up, I would not even hurt a fly. I like him, I am not turning in to him. Go out more, touch some grass, you'll learn there are other people who likes villains worst than Dooku. Dooku is also fiction, the logic you said works if it's a real person, like Jeffreh Dahmer
@@chrisnyasia7 Count Dooku is just a well written relateable villain which was driven by a noble cause - the corrupt goverment and mega corpos robbing the ordinary people while the supposed watchers the Jedi lost their cause and aligned with the wrong side of history - and he’s as correct as Qui Gon on this matter - and through his wrong methods to solve the problem he turned into the monster he believed to fight till the point there was no way back. He isn’t just a evil dude doing bad things - he is a character with interesting grey shades doing bad things and a paradoxical story. Only because I can relate to the 3 prequel villains and like them as fictional characters for different reasons it doesn’t mean I copy any of their evil side to real life or would cheer on it if it happens in the real world.
Even as a kid watching the movie in theaters I thought Dooku was a good guy when he first met Obi-Wan and since then I've always seen him as a tragic hero. I'm glad to see him presented in this light for everyone else to see.
Never been a doubt in my mind that Count Dooku is a character that is not simply good or evil. He is elegant and fascinating... I wish to thank the late and very great Sir Christopher Lee for his portrayal. Count Dooku is amazing and Tales Of The Jedi truly finally certified his nature and a bit of his history. Count Dooku: A great Jedi master, A man of honour, A man misunderstood..
In the Expanded Universe, Dooku actually has plenty of Dark Jedi followers aside from Ventress. Two other most prominent members who are no less capable than Ventress are Skorr and Sora Bulq, the latter one actually appearing in AOTC, also the one who killed Oppo Rancisis in the Republic comic series.
Yeah, these do a lot of help add to episode 1-3. it really puts duku into perspective without destroying the movie. this is what they jedi were before they became the flashy generals of the clone and galactic civil wars. I wish they would make some "middle republic" stories just like this.
Dooku was a good man broken by injustice who lost his way. Qui Gon was the perfect Jedi. Like Dooku he saw what was wrong and understood how his master was correct about taking responsibility as an individual rather than hiding behind blind obediance or doctrine. Unlike his master he retained his moral balance. Dooku's praise was not merely sincere it was correct. Qui Gon was always my favorite Jedi, while Mace Windu was the most blind if powerful. He and to a lesser extent Yoda got it wrong and thus played their part in helping destroy the very things they hoped to preserve. Anakin needed LOVE not cold distain as a wounded little boy who had suffered terribly!
Though you could make a point that if Anakin needed love he just wasn't suited to be a jedi. The jedi, especially Windu and yoda, failed the galaxy on a moral level, not on an emotional one. That was never their field to begin with
the Order’s treatment of Anakin(especially their refusal to purchase his mother’s freedom)during his formative years pushed him towards the Dark Side,what he needed was love compassion and support 😤
@@Reorganiser Well done getting it precisely wrong. The point Luke and Obi Wan learned was that LOVE is NOT the problem. It is the solution. Luke was not needy BECAUSE he WAS loved. This is what Obi Wan learned but you still have not. The Jedi were blind because of their lack of love, it was exactly what Luke changed later as Grand Master. What was lacking was a lack of clarity in what was going on. The Republic itself became immoral and the Jedi by becoming a mere tool of this lost out on love (caring or giving a damn) and corrupt. I am NOT saying the Jedi are the same as the Sith.
@@vladdrakul7851 the jedi never were loving. They were going strong without love for 25 thousand years. It's not the problem. The jedi arent supposed to be 'the good ones' seeing as they're stealing children and forcing their beliefs and power onto the people. They are just a little bit better than the alternative since they're not trying to conquer the galaxy for personal gains. Star Wars is great because both powerful sides need to be what the average person cannot or does not want to be. It's a trade off you see, either deform your mind to wield the power, or live a normal happy life and be 'noone'
I never misunderstood Count Dooku. I don't know anything about him besides what's on screen, but after seeing how much the Senate was deadlocked in making a no-brainer decision regarding the seige over Naboo, because of beurocracy in The Phantom Menace, it made sense to me that a so many planetary systems would leave from the Republic to form a Senate that would resolve issues quickly. I was very impressed with the fact that Count Dooku cared enough about the welfare of the people enough to lead this mass secession. And it's always noticeable that Dooku is not seen using the dark side of the Force very often.
It's really unfortunate how he's a character who does bad things for good reasons. My gripe with the clone wars is how dooku isn't just a cartoon bad guy. He's a tragic character being taken advantage of
Dooku HAS been my favorite Star Wars character ever since episode 2...I am so happy to see others loving this character that I have loved for almost 2 decades.
I actually think Dooku’s character was shown very well in the prequels and tales just added depth to that. In Episode two he made it clear that working with Palpatine was a means to an end. He didn’t like Palps methods or trust him and knew his own actions had become irredeemable, but thought there was no other path to improving the galaxy for the people. He even went as far as to reveal his agenda to Obi-Wan (Qui-Gon’s apprentice) and expressed grief over Qui-Gon’s passing believing that if he were still alive there might be hope for the Jedi Order. In Episode 3 when Palps ordered Anakin to execute Dooku we see the face of a man completely broken. Someone who sacrificed everything they stood for in the name of improving the galaxy only to he betrayed (not that Dooku trusted Palps to begin with) and realize he was nothing more than a pawn in Sidious Master plan (I think Dooku thought Palpatine was using him but didn’t realize how much and that he had already been replaced with Anakin). In his last moments Dooku still can’t bring himself to out the sith mastermind, knowing that would undo all the work he’s thus far done and could further harm the future of a peaceful galaxy that would protect the people. And I never really disagreed with Dooku. As we saw how far the republic and the Jedi Order (which had become far too intertwined with the senate) had fallen throughout the Clone Wars. I truly don’t think there was another path. It was a damned if you do; damned if you don’t. The Jedi had lost connection to the people and become blind and the republic had become far too corrupt. Palpatine just took advantage of the situation to play everyone.
Soulful, deep take there, brother. I've put some reading into volitionist philosophy and Dooku...despite his unforgivable war crimes... Is a great example how important understanding and empathy are. Had he been brought to justice his tale could have informed society or could have changed the Order for the better. That's if and only if the galactic republic took the time to listen and learn how it failed the Count and had long failed the Rim.
Dooku is, arguably, the smartest character in all of Star Wars. He was strong enough as a person to never fall completely to the dark side. He was a loving and caring person who wanted the best for everyone, even if he was a vicious villain in the prequels. It is the perfect example of “don’t judge a book by it’s cover.”
I never misunderstood Dooku but I'm so glad they finally showed what he really as doing. He wanted Anakin to join him against Palpatine. I love that they finally show this side. I also love that they've shown who deleted the map database
That second and forth episode feels like works of art and It’s so humanizing for dooku. Especially that standoff in the second episode. Few words, all is communicated masterfully because I do feel dooku was right to get upset, he probably even would have been right to strike down the senator. He probably would have even been a great hero if he wasn’t a sith.
I had just watched Tales of the Jedi last night and the thing that most impressed me was the background stories on Count Dooku, which showed why he left the Jedi order. While his decision to join Darth Sidious' plan led to a situation far worse for the average person than it was under the Republic (see Andor for details), I can't fault him for making it. The Jedi had lost its way, had been focusing on the will of the Senate over the will of the Force. I think that is why they did not recognize Sidious' plan until it was too late. I've never felt this much sympathy for the former Jedi Master and Sith Lord before.
The nugget that’s missing from your ending statement is that when we understand what drives people to darkness we can hopefully learn to stop the things that drive people to ever feeling the need to go down that path. The Jedi, instead of being just farmers & monks could be teachers to anyone who’d like to learn.
That story with Dooku and Mace really was nice. You can understand Dooku’s resentment. Dooku bust open the other Jedi Master’s murder but it’s Mace that gets put on the council just because he plays to their tune. Something I have really wanted to see since Attack of the Clones came out is a fight between Dooku and Mace.
This portrayal of Dooku is complex and beautifully rendered. Ferocious, brilliant, intimidating, passionate, protective of those he loved, flawed and fascinating.
This is such an excellent video. Couldn't have said any of it better myself! Also, the Sith Lord episode does not necessarily contradict Dooku: Jedi Lost; it can be inferred from Dooku's chat with Jocasta Nu that at this time, he was only visiting the temple and had already resigned from the Jedi Order.
I always thought Dooku's character was never fleshed out enough, he just kind of... appeared as a straight up villain in Ep 2. Having read the books and watched TOTJ I'm glad he's been more humanised.
Great video. Dooku is one of my favorite characters. It was Christopher Lee's charismatic portrayal that started my love for the character but the handling of his backstory through books and now TOTJ, have been awesome.
Dooku and Obi Wan have always been my favorite canons characters. Dooku being elegant and seeming to know exactly what he wanted out of life and unwilling to allow corruption of the senate control the Jedi. TOTJ just added more intrigue to the character.
The horror of the dark side is it offer what we most want, and think you can never have any other way But takes away what was offered and takes a overwhelming price
It's very interesting because just like Anankin, Dooku fell to the dark side due to his attachments. But unlike Anakine where his attachment was to his mother, then Padme, in the case of Dooku it was to his people and the people of rhime more broadly. In the end, even though both had good intentions (Dooku more so actually) both were exploited by Palpatine into commiting great evils.
Great video, love the mature content. The prequels are amazing, I have spent years trying to understand them and reflect on the different themes they have. Every line and scene has tremendous weight and meaning. Unless you are willing and interested to understand the greater Star Wars Universe they will just come across as ordinary or boring movies but they're not
Really enjoyed the early days of Dooku and Qui-Gon. Really wish they had made more episodes like this.instead of showing us Dooku leaving even as the events of episode 1 were transpiring. Pretty good show.
I always thought there was more to Dooku ever since watching AotC way back, he never seemed like a straight 'bad guy', Christopher Lee played him amazingly with a lot of nuance that really pays off watching the movie back after Tales of the Jedi. I wish we saw more of him across the whole of the prequels
I’ve had friends that didn’t like dooku till after they watched the shorts about him. Totally makes us feel for him when we see fall to the dark side. Dooku got face to face with corruption too many times.
The scene where dooku confronts the senator is REALLY reminds me of the Jedi Lost scene where Dooku busts his mothers funeral, and the crowd confronts his father and try’s to cause an uprising against him- perhaps one’s of the main reasons dooku gave into his rage in this scene is the senator reminded him of his father.
I knew Dooku was a good man on the inside, and even as a Sith, he probably had the "cleanest" goals out of all of them. I wish to see more of Jedi Dooku in the future though, we also need a few seasons CW style of the ten years between TPM and AOTC
Dooku didn't have "clean" goals. Novels reveal that his real problem with the Jedi was that they weren't authoritarian enough. Had he lived to see the Galactic Empire, it would have been far more brutal and repressive than it was. He wanted non-humans stripped of their property and given to humans, and he also wanted aliens to be expelled from all sectors of government.
Before Disney this was all known in the orginal EU. Dooku's fall happened much the same way as Jacen solo's. They sacrificed their beliefs in order to save the galaxy as they saw it.
Such a great take. Duku to me has always been a tragedy. An idealist willing to lay his life on the line to defend the people who are essential to his morality, but abused, manipulated, and cast aside to create a system far worse than the one he wanted nothing more than to tear down.
Actually feel sad for the count he seen the true ways the universe and wanted to change things but his anger and frustration of things made him true to the darkside and can seen him in our world him probably been the same way
You can see the conflict and confusion in Dooku and it just shatters my heart into a million pieces. Its like he wants to be good but he knows that logically its not possible for any real change to happen politically so he still surrendered to the dark even though he knows it’s probably the wrong choices-the high risk high reward scammer type of promise to make a difference with his own system is what really won him over to Palpatine. So incredibly sad to know that things are not black and white. Dooku had good in him. That face shows it. There are many examples in real life where good people are manipulated like that. Prequel context in Star Wars always shows such beauty in tragedies…leaves me with such deep bittersweet and sorrow emotions
The road to hel is paved with good intention. I like that his fall started with the realisation that 'keeping the peace' can often mean 'protecting the abuser'.
It is so amazing how the fiction resembles real life is it just the writers drawing from their own life and applying it to their story about the fiction that they are creating. I gain so much better perspective about the events going on around me by relaxing with a fictional story were I know that the good guys win the day in the end I can separate myself from my troubles and see what others are doing and what motives they have for what they are doing. And trust me the politics Star Wars is a lot closer to the United States than most would believe it is not a direct one for one comparison but it is the same flow of poetry that I recognize
This is a pertinent comment. I had heard the US = Republic falling into Empire thing was an intention creative decision by Lucas. It was something he actively wanted to get across given the events occurring at the time. I think, in that context, it's interesting too that the CIS are portrayed, in a sense, as the US's rivals (almost as if to subconsciously make American viewers dislike and suspect them more, rallying around the Republic only to be confused when it becomes the Empire). Dooku and the CIS Parliament represent Europe and the Commonwealth countries... the CIS Parliament is an obvious UK Westminster style legislature and Dooku carries perceived nobility and history. They are the "political rivals" or threat... as the US left often cites EU and Commonwealth countries as examples of what the US should be like instead of what it is. Gunray (with his hilarious over-stereotyped accent) leads the CIS Council and represents East Asia (Japan and later China), the economic rival or threat to the US position. Grievous, supreme commander of the CIS armed forces, has a pronounced Russia accent, and represents the greatest military threat or rival to the US (as Russia was seen then). All of these are distractions... the Republic hates them and the Jedi focus their attention on combating them, but the true threat (as with the US) is within. A Republic weighed down by corruption gradually falling to bad actors within its establishment. Bashing the other three and making them the center of American ire ("Eurotrash", "Russian Commies", "Chinese ripoffs" etc) is just a convenient way to make people more nationalistic and distract from domestic issues. Star Wars is deep.
Awesome analyse. And awesome final line. "Even the most evil vilain must be given the chance not for redemption but for understanding. because if you can truly understand someone, understand the events that shape their childhood, their adulthood. If you can come to a complete understanding of another person you can only grow to pity or love for who they have become. You can take that knowledge and enrich your own life as well."
Both Dooku and Anakin have the same fate, they become darksiders when they lose someone precious which means they valued life very much as that of an ideal Jedi imo
I've always supported Dooku, honestly the Clone Wars version tried really hard to paint him as a villian, cause everyone saw him as a the real hero of the prequels, i've never thoght how he would responde to qui gon's death, and Tales nailed it, that was the last straw for him to fully comit the dismantle the Republic
I agree. Nothing changed with Dooku. He stuck to his ideals. The world just went to crap around him. By the time someone who agreed with him came along, it was too late.
dooku is one of my favorite characters in sw. and when I saw that episode of jedi tales i was so happy. its really nuts how much filoni was able to accomplish with such a short run time. Its a must watch.
This is why I wish they added Dooku in episode 1, instead of just shoving him in episode 2. We could have seen him and Qui Gon have meaningful discussions about the republic, which they both thought was corrupt, but Dooku would prefer a more direct and ruthless approach, while Qui Gon would be more passive and wanting to resolve things peacefully. Kind of like Xavier and Magneto. Both have their reasons and while Dooku had good intentions, he was going about it the wrong way. The senate clearly was corrupt, but this was not the way to solve the problem.
Dooku was an idiot for being surprised when Sidious ordered his death. He should've known that he was never going to be a powerful Sith; he draws power more from his own sense of superiority than from his anger and hatred.
One of your best analysis videos in years, Alan, even with your usual high standard of content. I've just watched TOtJ and thought much the same about Dooku.
When I saw Attack of the Clones for the first time in theaters, I was disappointed that there wasn't a "twist ending" where it's revealed that Dooku was the good guy all along and the Separatists were actually the Rebellion.
My only issue with this is what happens to Master Yaddle. Without spoilers, I feel like this could have been done better. Of course, in Legends, it's an entirely different story but I appreciate Tales of the Jedi for what it's trying to do. It helps with Ahsoka's history and tries with Dooku too, but I feel like it fails with regard to Yaddle.
Thank you for posting this video. This was a well-thought out portrayal of the Count and his fall from grace. One of the reasons that I enjoy shows like the Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, Andor, Star Wars Rebels, etc., is that these adventures fill in the gaps left by the first six films. Such is the case with Tales of the Jedi. What I really enjoyed about your commentary, is that sometimes characters don't just embrace evil openly. At times, it is not all good or all bad. It can be a journey, a gradual decline. In the case of Dooku, we can see that he was once a good man who gave a damn about his fellow beings. This animated tale might have been the beginning of the last straw for him. Not just a black and white, good or evil scenario. Thanks for this videos. I just subscribed after enjyoing this one and some of the others. Like you, my allegiance is to the republic.
I agree with Dooku’s actions and I can’t say I would’ve had the sense to spare the Senator without the intervention of someone more idealistic. I would’ve straight up went at Palp without a second thought though. The end of Justice made me cry though
Same, and same. To be fair, though, I'd have probably subdued the senator and left his fate in the hands of the civilians: It would not have been my place to enact revenge in their name without their consent.
@@TheLostArchangel666 I think men can change or be demoralized beyond further action or if they’re brought to justice the truth comes out and the power vacuum is avoided. Also killing him would just be murder. The goal of a Jedi diplomat is to prevent bloodshed and destruction at all costs.
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I always wondered if Dooku was so indifferent to the Jedi and its direction why he didn't separate himself from the order and create his own?
a dehumidifier might be able to help with that manly condensation.. 🙂 great video again man - always appreciate the insight. I usually don't have the channels etc that these shows are broadcast over (i.e. disney produced content) and so my only points of reference to and/or understanding of these shows comes through watching content produced by just a handful of folks like you. So again, the thought you put into your videos is very welcome, and in particular that pertaining to your relating in universe material/lessons etc to the real world. As always, keep up the good work and hang in there.
its called comfort viewing
Its California
no no WE DID NOT, he is still a lying back stabbing two face pure evil prick, yes this show shows him how they should always has, but do not change his dumb story in clone wars
The best description of Dooku's situation was "struggling to control a Faustian bargain". The CIS of course was no friend, but the grievances Dooku laid out against the Republic were well founded.
If Dooku hadn't left the Jedi Order, he would have been one of the bare handful of Masters who could have handled Anakin as a padawan.
Well said
That would be cool
Too bad star wsrs doesn’t do alternate timelines to see it
@@omegon2540 they used to in the Parallels comics
I think that anakin himself would have kept dooku from turning. After all it was qui gons last request for anakin to be trained I think that dooku would have done this to honor qui gon, and in the end not only be the perfect master for anakin but also remain a part of the light side because of it.
Sorry, but the CIS was his brainchild. He believed in a complete revolution. He was the one who started it, propagandized against the feckless and corrupt Republic, and ultimately led the charge headfirst into a revolutionary war against a stale and stagnant 2,000 year old system. He hated the Republic, and he resented the Jedi for sitting on their hands and doing nothing. You literally cannot on one hand say that the CIS was no friend, but then accept his overwhelming involvement in its creation. It wasn't the Trade Federation, Banking Guilds, or Techno Union that started it; Dooku was the one who brought them all together. Dooku not only led this charge (and possibly authored a lot of this in Sideous' overall plan that he inherited from Darth Plagueis), but likely believed that the CIS would be the victor in the war, which plotted out a pathway to righteously govern the galaxy.
It was the Sith who was no friend to him. He wanted to destroy the Sith, and he was truthful in his conversation with Obi-Wan. This scene was ingenious, and I frankly hate it when people said that he was just sweet-talking Obi-Wan--such insights are false, and only serve to undermine the mastery of this scene. He and his padawan, Qui Gon, are two sides of the same coin caught between a rock and a hard place. Neither of them like the Jedi and see them as immovable in the Order's dogmatic and narrow convictions. Qui-Gon is the anti-establishment on the light side of the Force, and Dooku is the same on the dark side. Dooku doesn't like the Sith--in fact, he warned the Jedi many times against its return, even as a child when he had visions of it. He saw Sifo Dias as a friend he could trust, but ultimately understood that his death was necessary to topple the Republic. He saw Palpatine as a necessary evil, and like the Sith's Rule of Two, he was constantly plotting avenues to dsestroy him--including his offer to Kenobi to help him overthrow the Sith Lord.
Dooku was just as much a victim of Sidious as the rest. He was always a tool for Sidious just like the rest. Only in his final moment did he finally realize that truth... Same as the rest.
Dooku and Vader both understood. With Dooku, he thought he can outsmart Palpatine. Vader, might as well. Dooku, didn't really believe in the Sith. I think he believed in a balance of the forces, and so it was ok to use the Dark side.
@@slewone4905 Dooku believed in the Sith. He wanted to overthrow Palpatine and be the knew Sith Lord. That was why he brought of Savage and maul again
Sidious told Vader in the comics he saw Dooku as a Torpedo, he had a specific purpose and when it was completed, dooku was simply to be disposed of
@@Godzilla00X Just like the rest...
@@slewone4905 nah he eventually goes full sith
I never misunderstood Dooku. The new Tales of the Jedi shorts perfectly line up with my view of him being an idealistic rebel who wasn't a full Sith. There was still hope for him, there was always hope for him. If he was born in a different age, like say, the SWTOR era with Satele Shan, Dooku would've stayed with the Order, especially since Satele's Jedi Order tolerates even dark-siders in their midst, so long as they remain loyal to the Republic. The worst thing Satele does to Dark-sided Jedi in her midst was not promote them, but she still tolerates them and lets them do their job. Dooku would've fit in as one of those Jedi who sometimes goes dark, but they either turn a blind eye or even approve of his actions.
Chill dude
Dooku really disliked the order tho, that's why he went to the dark side on the first place
@@DOMINNIMOD198 He disliked the Order under Yoda's time.
IN war, you can't always do things good guys would do. How do fight a war, with out killing. Isn't that what Andor is suppose to be about. He killed a friend just to keep the Rebel secrets alive. Dooku believed he had to do some unsavory things as well, so he can do the greater good later.
Staying Loyal to the Republic seemed to me to be the issue Dooku was having. He wanted things to be different but felt any means was necessary until one day he didn't care about the lie cause he never expected there to be one.
Honestly this really gives a lot of layers to his character and really gives context to how Palpatine used manipulated good people
well, notice what Darth Vader said. It's how Dooku feels. They all know Palpatine is evil, but he is too powerful. Palpatine dangle the hope that the other will take over to fix the evil he created, while keeping them in check. I think he even did that to Tarken.
"Oh I got so manipulated, I wanted to be good so I joined a fucking sith lord, that will help"
It's been said that each of the 3 main prequel villains represents an aspect of Vader. Dooku is a metaphor for Anakin's nobility which would lead him to save his son at the cost of his own life.
I can see that completely. I'd guess that Maul represents the sheer fear factor Vader uses with the Force, and Grievous represents another cyborg who is proficient even when dependent on machinery.
All driven by the hate for the Jedi order
@@arw1985 No. Maul mirrors the hatred, anger, and rage of Vader. Dooku mirrors Vader in that they both were amazing individuals with bright futures who were corrupted and brought to the Dark Side by Sidious.
You're right about Grevious though. He mirrors what Vader would become physically.
Maul was a slave taken as a child and trained to be a killer
Dooku was a fallen Jedi
Grievous was a cyborg
Vader is all 3
Also Pride.
I honestly agree with Dooku and I likely would have taken the same path as he did.
I think many would, but he ends up choosing the greater evil as a result
@@GenerationTech RAD
@@GenerationTech I think because he wanted to believe in something that was built upon a lie…not all that far-fetched actually. Sidious was the puppet master.
I think Dooku was right about a lot of things but ended up taking foolish and destructive actions because of it. Would really have loved to see what Yaddle would have done had she survived.
I'd have followed a similar, but at the same time radically different path, and would have probably created something more akin to the Rebel Alliance in place of the CIS, drawing upon the same ideals, but without the corporate influences, and without embracing the Sith: Freedom can never come through tyranny.
Ironically Dooku‘s stench-related comment eventually applied to himself. He lived alongside Sheev‘s corruption for so long that he became part of it.
From corruption to corruption.
Dooku’s downfall was believing that an authoritarian society would root out the corruption and decadence of the Republic. The Empire Dooku helped create had all the flaws of the Republic, only now without the democracy, free speech, or accountable leadership to limit it.
In the end Palpatine didn’t care about Dooku’s idealism beyond lip service and only wanted the Empire as a means to empower himself. I think Dooku only came to realize that in the last seconds of his life.
@@solarsailor1534Yep..and it’s a shame.
Just another pawn
@@solarsailor1534 I'm not sure if the Empire was corrupt and just more spiritually bankrupt from the rule of the sith, ie everything is supposed to benefit palpatine. I mean quite frankly from the looks of it the Republic got what it deserved and Palpatine did at least put a better system in place in certain aspects.
@@krel3358there is always that one guy who unironically defends the fascist bad guys. no, the empire was objectively worse for almost everyone. it has been shown countless times that however terrible the republic was, the empire was infinitely worse. he did not make any changes to the system that would benefit anyone besides himself. he visibly liked watching people suffer and grovel, he had no cares about the common folk, in fact he detested people in general. he oversaw multiple genocides, he legalized slavery, he invaded countless planets for no reason other than for his benefit. you can say the republic didnt help slaves, but it didnt directly enslave people or encourage it. you could say living in the republic was not the best for everyone, you cannot say it wrung every planet, system, person dry for any benefit. you could say the republic was a fake democracy, you couldnt say it was openly fascistic and a dictatorship. at least the senate under the republic was used to benefit some people who needed it, while still putting corporations and the rich above everybody else. under the emperor it only benefitted the senators and of course the emperor.
It's a sad thing that Dooku and Anakin wound up on opposite sides. In another time, in another life, the two of them would've been good friends. Imagine if Qui-Gon survived the duel on Naboo with Darth Maul, but the Jedi Council still refused to train Anakin, since in the normal timeline, they only trained him out of pity for the dead Qui-Gon. Qui-Gon then joins Dooku as the two of them desert the Jedi ranks, and Qui-Gon has Dooku train Anakin, and the two of them become good friends, as they come to agree with each other on how broken and weak the Republic truly was.
This episode proved that there was no hope for Anakin, the tendrils of the Sith were tightening around the necks of the Jedi well before the discovery and training of Anakin.
@@jeffreycarman2185 False. If Anakin was just treated better, or if he left the Jedi Order with Ahsoka, he may have been able to save his soul.
Seems like Dooku was created to be Anakin's father.
Palpatine had to get rid of Qui Gon. Dooku needed him to understand what's going on. I think Dooku and Qui Gon both knew that the Dark side is not the problem, but rather it needs balance with the light. The problem is when your in the middle, you can't see where you are.
theres a what if video on dooku training anakin and obi won. another what if video is Qui Gon traning Anakin as a grey jedi.
I also noticed how Yaddle in her fight with Dooku seemed sad and filled with regret when she learns about Dooku's turn. It can be seen that she really does care about him when she gave him a chance to come back. But at this point Dooku had already made up his mind and Yaddle's admittance of the Jedi council's failings just solidified his view of the Jedi Order.
Indeed, in fact most jedi were upset and surprised by his turn - as indicated by the deleted scene in AOTC with Jocasta and Obi, and the meeting where they discuss the attempted assassination on Padmé's life.
He was a great man.
I found myself relating to Dooku more than I thought. Hopefully we can get another season of Tales giving us a deeper look into Alek squinquargesimus (Darth Malak).
I wouldn't mind a full-on series. I have always liked Dooku and his novel. But this did add some more layers to him, which is great. Love to see more of his relationship with gin.
Well yes and no i guess... He was a fcking racist haha so actully no but the corruption of the republic yeah sure
Everyone no matter which government rules them will relate to dooku in some way. The only difference between the star wars universe and ours is that the our reality hasn’t gotten to that point.. YET
@@priyapepsi I know, I'm not proud of it either but he's my favorite Star Wars character and a deep one at that.
excuse me who 🤨
I didn't really have an idea what kind of man Dooku was, but Qui-Gonn pretty much said it; "To be a Jedi is not an easy challenge, and even if you succeed, its a hard life". Dooku was no different.
Qui Gon would not be himself, it wasn't for Dooku. THe Librarian said Dooku was one of the brightest. Dooku understood something that the other Jedi's failed, and unluckily he isn't the man who could fix it, but did teach these lessons to Qui Gon, who understood it better. I think the problem is , Star wars has gotten too big, but even when it was first made, there are conflicting ideas of where it should go. The problem is Disney have the movie people run amuck, with out understanding the philosophy that is behind the force. The goal according to Qui gon is to bring balance to the force. THis is base on Taoism. It is'n't for the light side to win, or destroy the dark.
@@slewone4905 Exactly!
@@slewone4905
Except when you go meta and look at what george Lucas believes, the goal essentially IS for the "light side" to win.
Thing is, the whole "equally balanced in the force" thing you bring up is exactly what Disney got wrong about the force. It's not a literal equilibrium of 1 bad guy and 1 good guy that compliments one another. In the force, George has explained time and time again that the dark side consumes you and festers into something undesirable. Things like over extended pleasure, selfishness, these are what he says dooms an individual without true peace that comes without discipline.
The sith must be eradicated because they bring nothing but perversion to the galaxy and the force. The "light side" that we know it as is just the force. We only call it the light side to distinguish it from the dark.
@@slewone4905 The light side is the balance of the force. the dark side is perversion of that balance.
His lack of Sith Eyes makes this series plot unsurprising, and yet, all the more satisfying.
He does have sith eyes in certain situations in clone wars show. Not all sith show or even have their eyes 100% of the time.
@@joshuawalters7520 Well, he did need to immerse himself fully to accomplish certain things - like defeating Jedi or pushing his own agenda. Even Palpatine lacks Sith eyes when he's not being overtly Sith. If Anakin hadn't killed him, I'm sure he'd go all Sith eyes publicly before too long.
Movies: Dooku is a bad guy. Anakin and Obi Wan, go hit bad guy.
Expanded lore: Dooku is a rogue Jedi that sees all the problems with the Jedi Order and the corruption within the republic.
Is still a bad guy. Also he wasn't a Jedi anymore, he was Sith.
Not even in the movies. His scene with Kenobi as prisoner in episode 2 go against him being a typical bad guy
Dooku sees it and then gets even more corrupt.
@@SimonPetrikov12 You mean the scene where he tries to get Obi-Wan to become his Sith apprentice? Lol.
Count duko was always one of my favourite villains, he had Justification but also had problems.
Forever be from his ideology to grasp opportunities...Ki mundi was right about dooku in SW EP-III REVENGE OF THE SITH
Dooku*
1. It should be noted that Dooku does not agree with Sidious and planned to betray him. But he did not realize Sidious would turn on him much earlier.
2. We never even got personal moments for Dooku during the Clone Wars but only scenes of Dooku working with Sidious and Grievous.
3. Dooku betrayed Ventress because he was forced to by Sidious and antagonized her so she will no longer be on Sidious' radar. He knows she cannot easily die.
4. Dooku even gave Ventress a heads up on hologram rather than just ordering the droids to quietly murder her (Order 66 style betrayal).
5. Dooku only acted evil in front of actual villains to keep up appearances and maintain Sidious' trust in him. Dooku was playing the Game of Thrones (Win or Die).
Well, Darth Tyranus lost what’s game he was playing. The Galactic Empire and Order 66 are his legacy.
@@conordarken1778 Yeah. They are his legacy and his failure. He thought he can use the dark side but the dark side used him.
Well his training of Savage was preety well... Savage lol. Although Savage at that point was corrupted af. Still Dooku is now one of my Top 5 Star wars characters.
Purely Facts: We got more character development out of Dooku in three 15 minutes shorts than Rey in three 2 and half hour movies.
They mishandled everyone I am afraid.
If an actual plan was set for Rey, Kylo and Finn, I would imagine they would be seen in a much better light today.
I liked the way Dooku was portrayed as sort of an honorable villain in Attack of the Clones
Chris Lee just is Dooku for me. He was the perfect actor for him
@@theblueraven764 definitely, I couldn’t think of a better actor for the role
Dooku's Legends quote about Yoda describes him perfectly. Yes, Yoda was very powerul, wise and intelligent. But his old age which led him to see many friends and apprentices see grow old and die combined with him being in power for centuries led him to become detached and unable to change. And what's worse no Jedi ever challenged him. In fact since all the Jedi basically worshipped him, they never even thought about challenging him.
This led to the Jedi becoming stagnant while the galaxy was changing around them.
If Yoda were to die and he was replaced by let's say Mace Windu it would've been better. Yes, Mace wasn't ideal but he was a different generation with a different outlook.
But to be fair to Yoda, he was at least partially self aware since e.g. he wanted a maverick Qui-Gon in the Jedi Council but he refused.
I have been a fan of Dooku ever since I heard about Christopher Lee's fencing career.
I have learned many lore about him because of it. The show made him more of a kinder person
Wow! Talk about fanboy syndrome! You guys do realize this is Darth Tyranus we're talking about here? This guy is an absolute TERROR!!! The teacher & mentor of General Grievous!!!
There is one thing I'm willing to admit -- Obi-Wan, arguably the greatest warrior in the history of the galaxy, could not figure out Dooku...
@@chrisnyasia7 No shame in liking a villain
@@erob9446 well, now, see, that's where you're wrong-- there is a shame involved.
I believe the term is called "Opprobrium"..
If you're deriving any pleasure, guilty or otherwise, from Dooku's personal ethos, or his many nefarious exploits, then perhaps there is more going on there than what's been revealed...
You need to seek the guidance of the council for clarification...
@@chrisnyasia7 bro shut up, I would not even hurt a fly. I like him, I am not turning in to him.
Go out more, touch some grass, you'll learn there are other people who likes villains worst than Dooku.
Dooku is also fiction, the logic you said works if it's a real person, like Jeffreh Dahmer
@@chrisnyasia7 Count Dooku is just a well written relateable villain which was driven by a noble cause - the corrupt goverment and mega corpos robbing the ordinary people while the supposed watchers the Jedi lost their cause and aligned with the wrong side of history - and he’s as correct as Qui Gon on this matter - and through his wrong methods to solve the problem he turned into the monster he believed to fight till the point there was no way back. He isn’t just a evil dude doing bad things - he is a character with interesting grey shades doing bad things and a paradoxical story.
Only because I can relate to the 3 prequel villains and like them as fictional characters for different reasons it doesn’t mean I copy any of their evil side to real life or would cheer on it if it happens in the real world.
Even as a kid watching the movie in theaters I thought Dooku was a good guy when he first met Obi-Wan and since then I've always seen him as a tragic hero. I'm glad to see him presented in this light for everyone else to see.
The dark side corrupts idealist. You can start off wanting to do the right thing but ultimately you'll wind up compromising everything you believe in.
Power as a means to an end can very easily become the pursuit of power as the end, full stop.
I really loved how Dooku was mourning the death of Qui-Gon and confronted Sidious about letting Maul kill him.
Never been a doubt in my mind that Count Dooku is a character that is not simply good or evil. He is elegant and fascinating...
I wish to thank the late and very great Sir Christopher Lee for his portrayal.
Count Dooku is amazing and Tales Of The Jedi truly finally certified his nature and a bit of his history.
Count Dooku: A great Jedi master, A man of honour, A man misunderstood..
He seemed like a good man who fell deeper and deeper into evil.
He was evil though he didn't seem to want to be.
@@davidm4566 Like Macbeth? Definitely a tragic Shakespearean character.
Also a man who murdered millions of innocent people. I felt for DOOKU too but don't let your hero worship ruin your common sense
In the Expanded Universe, Dooku actually has plenty of Dark Jedi followers aside from Ventress. Two other most prominent members who are no less capable than Ventress are Skorr and Sora Bulq, the latter one actually appearing in AOTC, also the one who killed Oppo Rancisis in the Republic comic series.
@H4XE7 REAC7 Attack of the Clones.
Dude was a teacher for sure
@H4XE7 REAC7 cmon you really couldn’t figure that out?
Also Sev'Rance Tann and Trenox.
@@Folfah considering how silly names of characters in star wars gets atoc being confused for one is a real possibility
Yeah, these do a lot of help add to episode 1-3. it really puts duku into perspective without destroying the movie. this is what they jedi were before they became the flashy generals of the clone and galactic civil wars. I wish they would make some "middle republic" stories just like this.
When my dad and I watched it, we both agreed that we would like to see more from Padawan Qui-Gon and younger Dooku.
It is an odd and powerful feeling to hear the words Master Dooku said on screen. We never got that before, it's an earned title, not an inheritance.
I was a Separatist sympathizer before this series. To see Dooku given the honor he deserved was amazing.
Dooku was a good man broken by injustice who lost his way. Qui Gon was the perfect Jedi. Like Dooku he saw what was wrong and understood how his master was correct about taking responsibility as an individual rather than hiding behind blind obediance or doctrine. Unlike his master he retained his moral balance. Dooku's praise was not merely sincere it was correct. Qui Gon was always my favorite Jedi, while Mace Windu was the most blind if powerful. He and to a lesser extent Yoda got it wrong and thus played their part in helping destroy the very things they hoped to preserve. Anakin needed LOVE not cold distain as a wounded little boy who had suffered terribly!
Though you could make a point that if Anakin needed love he just wasn't suited to be a jedi. The jedi, especially Windu and yoda, failed the galaxy on a moral level, not on an emotional one. That was never their field to begin with
the Order’s treatment of Anakin(especially their refusal to purchase his mother’s freedom)during his formative years pushed him towards the Dark Side,what he needed was love compassion and support 😤
@@Reorganiser Well done getting it precisely wrong. The point Luke and Obi Wan learned was that LOVE is NOT the problem. It is the solution. Luke was not needy BECAUSE he WAS loved. This is what Obi Wan learned but you still have not. The Jedi were blind because of their lack of love, it was exactly what Luke changed later as Grand Master. What was lacking was a lack of clarity in what was going on. The Republic itself became immoral and the Jedi by becoming a mere tool of this lost out on love (caring or giving a damn) and corrupt. I am NOT saying the Jedi are the same as the Sith.
@@vladdrakul7851 the jedi never were loving. They were going strong without love for 25 thousand years. It's not the problem. The jedi arent supposed to be 'the good ones' seeing as they're stealing children and forcing their beliefs and power onto the people. They are just a little bit better than the alternative since they're not trying to conquer the galaxy for personal gains.
Star Wars is great because both powerful sides need to be what the average person cannot or does not want to be. It's a trade off you see, either deform your mind to wield the power, or live a normal happy life and be 'noone'
I never misunderstood Count Dooku. I don't know anything about him besides what's on screen, but after seeing how much the Senate was deadlocked in making a no-brainer decision regarding the seige over Naboo, because of beurocracy in The Phantom Menace, it made sense to me that a so many planetary systems would leave from the Republic to form a Senate that would resolve issues quickly. I was very impressed with the fact that Count Dooku cared enough about the welfare of the people enough to lead this mass secession. And it's always noticeable that Dooku is not seen using the dark side of the Force very often.
Fan of Dooku. Jedi Lost, and other novels and the like made him a complex character, who believed what he was doing was noble.
Count Dooku needs his own series
With details and longer scenes.
It's really unfortunate how he's a character who does bad things for good reasons. My gripe with the clone wars is how dooku isn't just a cartoon bad guy. He's a tragic character being taken advantage of
Dooku HAS been my favorite Star Wars character ever since episode 2...I am so happy to see others loving this character that I have loved for almost 2 decades.
I actually think Dooku’s character was shown very well in the prequels and tales just added depth to that. In Episode two he made it clear that working with Palpatine was a means to an end. He didn’t like Palps methods or trust him and knew his own actions had become irredeemable, but thought there was no other path to improving the galaxy for the people. He even went as far as to reveal his agenda to Obi-Wan (Qui-Gon’s apprentice) and expressed grief over Qui-Gon’s passing believing that if he were still alive there might be hope for the Jedi Order. In Episode 3 when Palps ordered Anakin to execute Dooku we see the face of a man completely broken. Someone who sacrificed everything they stood for in the name of improving the galaxy only to he betrayed (not that Dooku trusted Palps to begin with) and realize he was nothing more than a pawn in Sidious Master plan (I think Dooku thought Palpatine was using him but didn’t realize how much and that he had already been replaced with Anakin). In his last moments Dooku still can’t bring himself to out the sith mastermind, knowing that would undo all the work he’s thus far done and could further harm the future of a peaceful galaxy that would protect the people.
And I never really disagreed with Dooku. As we saw how far the republic and the Jedi Order (which had become far too intertwined with the senate) had fallen throughout the Clone Wars. I truly don’t think there was another path. It was a damned if you do; damned if you don’t. The Jedi had lost connection to the people and become blind and the republic had become far too corrupt. Palpatine just took advantage of the situation to play everyone.
Soulful, deep take there, brother. I've put some reading into volitionist philosophy and Dooku...despite his unforgivable war crimes... Is a great example how important understanding and empathy are. Had he been brought to justice his tale could have informed society or could have changed the Order for the better. That's if and only if the galactic republic took the time to listen and learn how it failed the Count and had long failed the Rim.
Dooku is, arguably, the smartest character in all of Star Wars. He was strong enough as a person to never fall completely to the dark side.
He was a loving and caring person who wanted the best for everyone, even if he was a vicious villain in the prequels.
It is the perfect example of “don’t judge a book by it’s cover.”
Tell that to Palpatine.
I never misunderstood Dooku but I'm so glad they finally showed what he really as doing. He wanted Anakin to join him against Palpatine. I love that they finally show this side. I also love that they've shown who deleted the map database
That second and forth episode feels like works of art and It’s so humanizing for dooku. Especially that standoff in the second episode. Few words, all is communicated masterfully because I do feel dooku was right to get upset, he probably even would have been right to strike down the senator. He probably would have even been a great hero if he wasn’t a sith.
*thumbnail*
Squidward: "Don't panic! Imagine Dooku without a beard!"
Dooku: *becomes young and has no beard*
Squidward: "Oh no! He's hot!"
I had just watched Tales of the Jedi last night and the thing that most impressed me was the background stories on Count Dooku, which showed why he left the Jedi order. While his decision to join Darth Sidious' plan led to a situation far worse for the average person than it was under the Republic (see Andor for details), I can't fault him for making it. The Jedi had lost its way, had been focusing on the will of the Senate over the will of the Force. I think that is why they did not recognize Sidious' plan until it was too late. I've never felt this much sympathy for the former Jedi Master and Sith Lord before.
The nugget that’s missing from your ending statement is that when we understand what drives people to darkness we can hopefully learn to stop the things that drive people to ever feeling the need to go down that path.
The Jedi, instead of being just farmers & monks could be teachers to anyone who’d like to learn.
I really connect with him and feel for him. This was like watching Anakin fall to the dark side
I am more a Star Wars film fan than animation but I have to say the count duku tales of the Jedi added so much to the prequels for me.
Yea filoni was at top form
That story with Dooku and Mace really was nice. You can understand Dooku’s resentment. Dooku bust open the other Jedi Master’s murder but it’s Mace that gets put on the council just because he plays to their tune.
Something I have really wanted to see since Attack of the Clones came out is a fight between Dooku and Mace.
I love how they made Dooku look like Christopher Lee's Dracula
'Lets hope all that training pays off' is what got me, that scene in that context, changed dramaticly.
I really liked how they made their point clear about Dooku and i can understand him way better now
This portrayal of Dooku is complex and beautifully rendered. Ferocious, brilliant, intimidating, passionate, protective of those he loved, flawed and fascinating.
This is such an excellent video. Couldn't have said any of it better myself! Also, the Sith Lord episode does not necessarily contradict Dooku: Jedi Lost; it can be inferred from Dooku's chat with Jocasta Nu that at this time, he was only visiting the temple and had already resigned from the Jedi Order.
I always thought Dooku's character was never fleshed out enough, he just kind of... appeared as a straight up villain in Ep 2. Having read the books and watched TOTJ I'm glad he's been more humanised.
Great video. Dooku is one of my favorite characters. It was Christopher Lee's charismatic portrayal that started my love for the character but the handling of his backstory through books and now TOTJ, have been awesome.
Dooku and Obi Wan have always been my favorite canons characters. Dooku being elegant and seeming to know exactly what he wanted out of life and unwilling to allow corruption of the senate control the Jedi. TOTJ just added more intrigue to the character.
The horror of the dark side is it offer what we most want, and think you can never have any other way
But takes away what was offered and takes a overwhelming price
It's very interesting because just like Anankin, Dooku fell to the dark side due to his attachments. But unlike Anakine where his attachment was to his mother, then Padme, in the case of Dooku it was to his people and the people of rhime more broadly.
In the end, even though both had good intentions (Dooku more so actually) both were exploited by Palpatine into commiting great evils.
Great video, love the mature content. The prequels are amazing, I have spent years trying to understand them and reflect on the different themes they have. Every line and scene has tremendous weight and meaning. Unless you are willing and interested to understand the greater Star Wars Universe they will just come across as ordinary or boring movies but they're not
Really enjoyed the early days of Dooku and Qui-Gon. Really wish they had made more episodes like this.instead of showing us Dooku leaving even as the events of episode 1 were transpiring. Pretty good show.
When I watched his first episode I instantly knew who he was even though his light saber wasn't shown until later.
it wasn’t a secret who he was…
@@ROGALLYWORLD yeah well I made sure to stay away from the trailers so when I watched the episode I had no idea he would be in it
I never saw Dooku as a villain. He wanted what was best and lead down the wrong path. But his heart was always in the right place.
I always thought there was more to Dooku ever since watching AotC way back, he never seemed like a straight 'bad guy', Christopher Lee played him amazingly with a lot of nuance that really pays off watching the movie back after Tales of the Jedi.
I wish we saw more of him across the whole of the prequels
I'm glad everyone is finally realizing how good of a character Count Dooku is. He was so underrated before.
I’ve had friends that didn’t like dooku till after they watched the shorts about him. Totally makes us feel for him when we see fall to the dark side. Dooku got face to face with corruption too many times.
It'd be interesting to see a Dooku who led the CIS without falling to the darkside, even as a sort of elseworld thing.
The scene where dooku confronts the senator is REALLY reminds me of the Jedi Lost scene where Dooku busts his mothers funeral, and the crowd confronts his father and try’s to cause an uprising against him- perhaps one’s of the main reasons dooku gave into his rage in this scene is the senator reminded him of his father.
I knew Dooku was a good man on the inside, and even as a Sith, he probably had the "cleanest" goals out of all of them. I wish to see more of Jedi Dooku in the future though, we also need a few seasons CW style of the ten years between TPM and AOTC
Dooku didn't have "clean" goals. Novels reveal that his real problem with the Jedi was that they weren't authoritarian enough. Had he lived to see the Galactic Empire, it would have been far more brutal and repressive than it was. He wanted non-humans stripped of their property and given to humans, and he also wanted aliens to be expelled from all sectors of government.
Before Disney this was all known in the orginal EU. Dooku's fall happened much the same way as Jacen solo's. They sacrificed their beliefs in order to save the galaxy as they saw it.
Such a great take. Duku to me has always been a tragedy. An idealist willing to lay his life on the line to defend the people who are essential to his morality, but abused, manipulated, and cast aside to create a system far worse than the one he wanted nothing more than to tear down.
It’s really good writing on how palpatine uses the same phrases to turn people. “Remember when you told me” plays on their sadness and anger.
One of your best productions, ever. Well done, sir.
Dooku has been my favorite Star Wars character ever since I saw Episode 2 in theaters. I too read the books about him but seeing him now...I love it
Actually feel sad for the count he seen the true ways the universe and wanted to change things but his anger and frustration of things made him true to the darkside and can seen him in our world him probably been the same way
You can see the conflict and confusion in Dooku and it just shatters my heart into a million pieces. Its like he wants to be good but he knows that logically its not possible for any real change to happen politically so he still surrendered to the dark even though he knows it’s probably the wrong choices-the high risk high reward scammer type of promise to make a difference with his own system is what really won him over to Palpatine. So incredibly sad to know that things are not black and white. Dooku had good in him. That face shows it.
There are many examples in real life where good people are manipulated like that. Prequel context in Star Wars always shows such beauty in tragedies…leaves me with such deep bittersweet and sorrow emotions
I love all of your videos that you do. But the deep emotional character studies are what I love the most.
Dooku was one of those characters the prequel movies really didn’t do justice too. The books brought so much more depth to the character.
Count Dooku has long been one of my favorite characters in the Star Wars universe.
The road to hel is paved with good intention.
I like that his fall started with the realisation that 'keeping the peace' can often mean 'protecting the abuser'.
It is so amazing how the fiction resembles real life is it just the writers drawing from their own life and applying it to their story about the fiction that they are creating. I gain so much better perspective about the events going on around me by relaxing with a fictional story were I know that the good guys win the day in the end I can separate myself from my troubles and see what others are doing and what motives they have for what they are doing. And trust me the politics Star Wars is a lot closer to the United States than most would believe it is not a direct one for one comparison but it is the same flow of poetry that I recognize
This is a pertinent comment. I had heard the US = Republic falling into Empire thing was an intention creative decision by Lucas. It was something he actively wanted to get across given the events occurring at the time.
I think, in that context, it's interesting too that the CIS are portrayed, in a sense, as the US's rivals (almost as if to subconsciously make American viewers dislike and suspect them more, rallying around the Republic only to be confused when it becomes the Empire). Dooku and the CIS Parliament represent Europe and the Commonwealth countries... the CIS Parliament is an obvious UK Westminster style legislature and Dooku carries perceived nobility and history. They are the "political rivals" or threat... as the US left often cites EU and Commonwealth countries as examples of what the US should be like instead of what it is.
Gunray (with his hilarious over-stereotyped accent) leads the CIS Council and represents East Asia (Japan and later China), the economic rival or threat to the US position.
Grievous, supreme commander of the CIS armed forces, has a pronounced Russia accent, and represents the greatest military threat or rival to the US (as Russia was seen then).
All of these are distractions... the Republic hates them and the Jedi focus their attention on combating them, but the true threat (as with the US) is within. A Republic weighed down by corruption gradually falling to bad actors within its establishment. Bashing the other three and making them the center of American ire ("Eurotrash", "Russian Commies", "Chinese ripoffs" etc) is just a convenient way to make people more nationalistic and distract from domestic issues.
Star Wars is deep.
Awesome analyse. And awesome final line.
"Even the most evil vilain must be given the chance not for redemption but for understanding.
because if you can truly understand someone, understand the events that shape their childhood, their adulthood.
If you can come to a complete understanding of another person you can only grow to pity or love for who they have become. You can take that knowledge and enrich your own life as well."
Both Dooku and Anakin have the same fate, they become darksiders when they lose someone precious which means they valued life very much as that of an ideal Jedi imo
I've always supported Dooku, honestly the Clone Wars version tried really hard to paint him as a villian, cause everyone saw him as a the real hero of the prequels, i've never thoght how he would responde to qui gon's death, and Tales nailed it, that was the last straw for him to fully comit the dismantle the Republic
Ki-Adi Mundi described Dooku the best with such a simple line: “He is a political idealist. Not a murderer.” Nailed it.
I agree. Nothing changed with Dooku. He stuck to his ideals.
The world just went to crap around him. By the time someone who agreed with him came along, it was too late.
dooku is one of my favorite characters in sw. and when I saw that episode of jedi tales i was so happy. its really nuts how much filoni was able to accomplish with such a short run time. Its a must watch.
It kind of makes you more sadder about his death now
That Ender quote at the end was sublime!
Dooku was the hero who lived long enough to become the villain
This is why I wish they added Dooku in episode 1, instead of just shoving him in episode 2. We could have seen him and Qui Gon have meaningful discussions about the republic, which they both thought was corrupt, but Dooku would prefer a more direct and ruthless approach, while Qui Gon would be more passive and wanting to resolve things peacefully. Kind of like Xavier and Magneto. Both have their reasons and while Dooku had good intentions, he was going about it the wrong way. The senate clearly was corrupt, but this was not the way to solve the problem.
Dooku was an idiot for being surprised when Sidious ordered his death. He should've known that he was never going to be a powerful Sith; he draws power more from his own sense of superiority than from his anger and hatred.
The situation had gotten out of hands
@@GenerationTech And then Dooku's hands got out of him.
One of your best analysis videos in years, Alan, even with your usual high standard of content. I've just watched TOtJ and thought much the same about Dooku.
It's the age-old rule of fiction. If you want to change people's view on a character, show them the backstory 😊
When I saw Attack of the Clones for the first time in theaters, I was disappointed that there wasn't a "twist ending" where it's revealed that Dooku was the good guy all along and the Separatists were actually the Rebellion.
Imagine if episode 1 had had that conversation between dooku and qui-gon, right there in the movie. What would that have done for attack of the clones
I honestly feel if Dooku told the Jedi about sidious instead of joining him, they won't have done anything and preferred to meditate
My only issue with this is what happens to Master Yaddle. Without spoilers, I feel like this could have been done better. Of course, in Legends, it's an entirely different story but I appreciate Tales of the Jedi for what it's trying to do. It helps with Ahsoka's history and tries with Dooku too, but I feel like it fails with regard to Yaddle.
One of your best materials Generation Tech, great Star Wars analysis and a real life moral driven from it!
I already asked my wife for one of these lightsabers for christmas
You need to get another one to duel
Thank you for posting this video. This was a well-thought out portrayal of the Count and his fall from grace. One of the reasons that I enjoy shows like the Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, Andor, Star Wars Rebels, etc., is that these adventures fill in the gaps left by the first six films. Such is the case with Tales of the Jedi. What I really enjoyed about your commentary, is that sometimes characters don't just embrace evil openly. At times, it is not all good or all bad. It can be a journey, a gradual decline. In the case of Dooku, we can see that he was once a good man who gave a damn about his fellow beings. This animated tale might have been the beginning of the last straw for him. Not just a black and white, good or evil scenario. Thanks for this videos. I just subscribed after enjyoing this one and some of the others. Like you, my allegiance is to the republic.
I agree with Dooku’s actions and I can’t say I would’ve had the sense to spare the Senator without the intervention of someone more idealistic. I would’ve straight up went at Palp without a second thought though.
The end of Justice made me cry though
Same, and same. To be fair, though, I'd have probably subdued the senator and left his fate in the hands of the civilians: It would not have been my place to enact revenge in their name without their consent.
@@TheLostArchangel666 I think men can change or be demoralized beyond further action or if they’re brought to justice the truth comes out and the power vacuum is avoided. Also killing him would just be murder. The goal of a Jedi diplomat is to prevent bloodshed and destruction at all costs.
'It is such a quiet thing, to fall. But far more terrible is to admit it.' - Kreia