@@ReddMoney74 IT GETS ME HOW THEY TRY TO MAKE A QUITTER & LOSER A WINNER & MAKE A WINNER A LOSER. JORDAN BROUGHT HONOR TO THE SPORT, ELEVATED IT. WHILE CHOKE CONTINUES TO DESTROY THE LEAGUE, PROBABLY BEYOND REPAIR. HE'S ALREADY SHOWED IT'S ALLLLL ABOUT HIM, HE CAN CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE LEAGUE. AS LONG AS HE GETS WHAT HE WANTS. POWER. ✌
As a 48 year old male I watched the Jordan era just as im watching the guys of the NBA today the goat debate shouldn’t even be a debate at all it’s MJ all Day every Day (365)
Anyone who says Lebron is a the goat that’s young grew up being manipulated by LeMedia. Anyone older is just a Jordan hater. Anyone in the media saying it is trolling for clicks. Bcuz this is not even close. Kobe is the only one close
Pure facts. And if anybody says otherwise there are bunch of idiots smh. It’s about the eye test and my four eyes can clearly see lebron ain’t better than Kobe let alone Jordan
Wasn't this ehe expansion era where they played tomato cans at least once every ten days. How id he supposed to lose three in a row on a team with FOUR Hall of Famers?
@@emmanuelenyinwa1443wasn't those tomatoe cans the same ones that swept lebunnyhop in 07 beat em in his prime in 2011 n again gentlemen swept em in 2014 🤨🤔
Orlando was one of those teams Shaq and Penny. Tell that to somebody who will believe it Orlando would give any team problems. They best MJ in six when he came back the next year it's a sweep. Realtalk
@@emmanuelenyinwa1443 only one all-star during his run. Pippen. The other guys are legends as unique role players on a championship run. Kukoc was a nice player, but never an all-star. Rodman was a great rebounder and defender, but you didn’t need to guard him.
Ive always said this: MJ changed the paradigm for winning and how we view winning as a society. Whoever is the best in their field is called the "Michael Jordan of....". Lebron changed how we view *losing* as a society, as a celebratory/participation trophy for just getting there and being a sympathetic figure. Case closed.
@@moonwalker1298 That ......was profound. Its true, I think it started in 2015 when he lost and in the post-game presser basically said "this dont bother me cause I'm the best player in the world (mind you he just lost) and I'm going home to my great rich life while you all will go home to boiled hot dogs". This was his THIRD finals loss and this one came in back to back years with 2 different franchises. A badly missed opportunity. Could you imagine had he won with the Heat in 2014 then came back and won AGAIN with Cleveland in 2015?? Yes, you nailed this dichotomy
@@sportstalkonly1442 No. I think 98 was the closest thing to that for him. Didn't have Pippen most of the year and then Pippen was hindered by a bad back all Finals. Still won in 6. Despite. Also Bulls collectively were the oldest team in the league at the time. What's your point? You wanna scratch the 2015 Finals loss off LeBron record? Go ahead. I sympathize with what happened to Kyrie and Kevin Love that first go round with his return to Cleveland. I'll ignore the fact that he was already a 2 time Champion facing some unproven guys who hadn't won anything yet and should still have had a mental edge especially with him being you know ..."LeBron James". (And up 2-1) You can scratch that one off. So now there's only 5 finals losses. Do you also do the same for the Warriors the following year, when they lost Bogut and had Draymond stolen from them for Game 6. (You know the one that LeBron said made him "The Goat") th-cam.com/video/Q4NNzg-Luz0/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
@@oshe1 it was 2011 after the epic meltdown but your point still stands. Sports has always been about winning as the priority and 2nd place has always been the 1st loser. Whether it was Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, the Buffalo Bills, or whoever else. Now all of a sudden with this guy we gotta add context and he's the little engine that could whos climbing uphill barefoot in 27 feet of snow with an elephant on his back despite having more superteams than any other superstar in history lol nah you just aint get it done. Period.
Sure you can...finals are about teams and coaching. LeBron carried teams there and got shut down. No coach while in Cleveland and an aspiring coach in Miami. For nine years Jordan got shut down many without getting to the playoffs. So stop it. He had phil and a surrounding cast. The caption not even close is so idiotic. There is not one nba player that would have Lebrons stats and record that would not argue in their favor as the goat. Even you if it were you would say you're the goat. You guys are something else.
@@simonhowell4486Are you going to explain your comment or are you just commenting for the sake of commenting. Let me help you with a couple obvious ones that have been debated, let’s start with a first and last for Lebron. ROY award should have been given to Melo who had better (more efficient) stats, games played, and team record. Melo’s +/- was also better. The Bubble championship. Lebron played great mainly on offense (typical), but no championship is one without AD’s consistent defense and offense.
@@dev30 Also, Melo made the playoffs his rookie year in the far tougher Western Conference, while LeBron did not. No way LeBron deserved ROY over Melo. And then there's the most recent LeBron "gimme" - the Olympic MVP that should have gone to Steph Curry.
he wasn't even ROTY tbh.. that should have been melo.. he took denver to the playoffs while lebron could not get to the playoffs.. it should have been at least co-rookies of the year at least..
@RobertWilliams-qv2iu an old Jason Terry and a 5 11 Jose barera did that and shut down LeBron in 2011. Mj had never played bad or had a meltdown in a playoff series he was always the leading scorer except for his rookie year when he got outscored by less than one point dwl LeBron isn't even top 10 all time u can't be great by flopping and cheating the great. If we did a test and got 10 questions and only got 4 right we would fail that test and dats wat LeBron did went to ten finals and only win 4 also he can't shoot ft . He shoots below league average and in the clutch at the ft line he is a disaster and dats not greatness much less to be in a goat debate. Goat for LeBron means Get On Another Team dwl
@@RobertWilliams-qv2iu exactly! He has no bag, no handle, no low post game. He’s one dimensional. His best move is a drive to the rim and dunk, outside of 3 ft. from the rim his FG% drops significantly.
Both ends of the floor and lebron is one of the all time worst defenders in league history he was an average defender in miami playing with other great defenders but since then he's a man who literally quit trying to play defense aside from occasional chase down blocks
@@howardhollis3533 MJ and Kobe couldn't win without Phil system. They both were getting knocked out 1st round alot without him. LeBron does it with rookie coaches and new teammates lacking team chemistry, but he's such a genius, he gets the team running in no time. LeBron is by far the GOAT and it will be clear as day when his career is over. Yall love adding context to Jordan loses but go full retard when it comes to talking about LeBron losses. Man yall haters are such pathetic humans for how yall spend over time insulting this man to the highest level.
Look, it's MJ. If you even try to make an argument someone else is the GOAT, just shut up. You don't know what you talking. Like Avery said there are only distant 2nds.
And I can't stress this enough. During Jordan's era, there was no 3 second rule in the paint. So you could literally camp out in the paint and wait for your opponents to come in the paint. And there were "true" rim protectors back then.
So what lebron has piled up stats for 21 years..for 17 of those 21 seasons lebrons played..other guys in his era won the rings and mvps..thats no goat.
@DavidL-fz9hx not to mention the bubble ring in 2020 doesn't count plus they had to suspend green for them to win I'm Cleveland after he got carried in the last 4 minutes by kyrie and Ray Allen saving his ass in 2013 after he bricked the 3
Aside from the senseless trashing of Jordan, the nba has put a bad product on the floor in the 2010's and 2020's and called it a good one in an attempt to erase the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's from existence in the mind's of the youth!
When MJ played Point Guard: over the 24 games he played point guard, he was averaging 30 points, 11 assists, And nine rebounds. After that year, Phil Jackson became the head coach. and Jordan moved back to shooting guard.
He also had 7 triple doubles in a row and a streak of 10 out of 11 games during that period. Jordan was a 2 guard, a scorer, but if his role changed he could also be a prolific passer as well. Also, his team defensive help ability, IQ, and instinct allowed him to assist in guarding multiple positions, evidenced by his high blocking average for a SG and blocks on centers and power forwards.
Exactly, he took too damn many shots and missed a lot of them, he wasn’t consistent, he was a hell of a athlete, Iverson was worst that Kobe, all them damn shots and missing, and not going to practice, and he mad when the coach say something, Denver didn’t tolerate that BS😂
Bean has three consecutive trips to the finals on two separate occasions. One blink, and it's 40 on your head. Lockdown defender. Got robbed for an MVP or two. The best player we have seen since MJ. #8 #24 🏀👟 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
- Beat the most 50+ win teams in NBA history - Second most points scored in a single game NBA history, First most in the modern era. - Oldest player to score 60+ - 3rd most consecutive 50+ point games in NBA history - 2nd most All-NBA First Team honors won (tied with Malone) - Most All-NBA Team honors won by a guard - Most All-NBA First Team honors won by a guard - 2nd most All-Defensive Team honors won - Most All-Defensive First Team honors won (tied with Mike, GP, KG) - Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years - Oldest player to record back-to-back games of 40+ points and 10+ assists - 5x NBA Champion on a three-peat - Dragged a squad with no other superstar/top 75 to repeat - 2x Finals MVP - 1x MVP - 2x Scoring Champ - 9x All-Defense First - 3x All-NBA Second - 18x NBA All Star Kobe is also 1 of only 6 players to win back-to-back Finals MVP (2peat). Kobe did this in one of the most competitive conference in history. 4th in scoring all time, #16 in steals, #33 in assists, #115 in rebounds. Lead the 2000's with the most points scored in the decade and the highest scoring average of the decade. He did all that and scored 35.1ppg on a team that only averaged 96ppg a game as a team and he did so in the slowest paced era and lowest scoring era in league history.
Mike was just so skilled in every facet of the game on offense and defense..lebron's game and skillset looks pretty average when you watch Jordans highlights.
Lefans constantly overlooking FACTS. They love them some STATS though. So how can their Lefavor player be the GOAT when he’s the all-time leader in the playoff losses with 107? When I read that number I was shocked. “One hundred and seven!” Why are we still entertaining this nonsense. EVEN if you don’t have MJ as your GOAT, I mean what are we doing. Seriously!
How do you win a scoring title AND a defensive player of the year award in the same damn year?!! You know what kind of energy that takes?! That's INSANE! Some inhuman cyborg stuff! Y'all can't just gloss over that like it's no big deal. That alone, makes him the GOAT. THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DUPLICATED TO THIS DAY! And this was during the roughest defensive era!
And compare MJ's unlimited energy to LeBron, who often doesn't even run his lazy ass back to the defensive end. How can anyone compare someone like LeBron to MJ?
Lebron Fans Excuses for Final losses. 1. Well his first trip to the Finals he didn't have any help. 2. It was his first year in Miami, and they still needed time to gel. 3. Coming off multiple Finals appearances, Lebron was the only one playing while the rest of the team quit. 4. He was all by himself with no Kevin Love or Kyrie. Excuses, Excuses, Excuses!!!
@@chijiokeuzoma8989 real Jordan fans have none. MJ never made excuses! MJ never lost in the Finals unlike Lebron so why would MJ need an excuse for not winning without Pippen? We're talking about Finals losses here!
Great overall segment and review. Now it is time to finally discuss the overarching problem. Who’s bright idea was it to compare anyone to MJ in this daffy era?? Then Lebron Dumb Dumb had the nerve and audacity to state openly that he was the greatest basketball player. Opening Michael Jordan’s Pandora’s Box, revealing him to tens of thousands of youngsters in this era who went on TH-cam or other media vehicles to see what MJ was all about only to become awe-inspired that anyone could play ball like this has made MJ even greater and unreachable because Mj was minding his own business in formal retirement for over 21 plus years. This is the main reason why there was never a GOAT Debate it didn’t exist, this has been an exercise in hyperbole and delusion.
As a guy who began watching the NBA in 1967, I confirm that MJ is the GOAT. The case for Kareem ranking 2nd is also compelling. Kareem has 6 Chips, 2 Finals MVPs, 7 1st/2nd Place Season MVP Vote Shares, 10 First All-NBA, 10 First All-Defense, and most NBA Longevity Stats comparable to LeBron despite 4 years in college. For a number of detailed reasons, Kobe is 3rd.
The one big lie that irritates me beyond most of Lebeon lies... is he guarded Derrick Rose. D Rose blew by this kat like he wasn't there in 2011. On one play he went by Lebron and dunk so hard I wanted to call them people on him. 😂 Look... I could guard all positions. It doesn't mean I'm defending against those positions well. Lebron didn't save the day and guard Dirk. He didn't dare try D Howard or Tim Duncan... Sheesh! Jason Terry gave him the bigness in the finals... Who has Lebron ever shut down in a big game?
Kobe Bean Bryant - Beat the most 50+ win teams in NBA history - Second most points scored in a single game NBA history, First most in the modern era. - Oldest player to score 60+ - 3rd most consecutive 50+ point games in NBA history - 2nd most All-NBA First Team honors won (tied with Malone) - Most All-NBA Team honors won by a guard - Most All-NBA First Team honors won by a guard - 2nd most All-Defensive Team honors won - Most All-Defensive First Team honors won (tied with Mike, GP, KG) - Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years - Oldest player to record back-to-back games of 40+ points and 10+ assists - Carried Olympic team to a gold medal - 5x NBA Champion on a three-peat - Dragged a squad with no other superstar/top 75 to repeat - 2x Finals MVP - 1x MVP - 2x Scoring Champ - 9x All-Defense First - 3x All-NBA Second - 18x NBA All Star Kobe is also 1 of only 6 players to win back-to-back Finals MVP (2peat). Kobe did this in one of the most competitive conference in history. He was also the 1A/1B option on the most recent 3peat team (only five 3peats in NBA history). 4th in scoring all time, #16 in steals, #33 in assists, #115 in rebounds. Lead the 2000's with the most points scored in the decade and the highest scoring average of the decade. Made 7 finals, won 5. He also had 10 50 point games in the 2006-2007 season alone. He also scored 60-50-65-50 in consecutive games. In 2003 he scored 40+ in 9 straight games. Outscored the Dallas Mavericks 62-61 by himself after 3 quarters, sat the 4th; he was easily on his way to 80 that game. Didn't matter, he hit 80 soon after. He did all that and scored 35.1ppg on a team that only averaged 96ppg a game as a team and he did so in the slowest paced era and lowest scoring era in league history. Kobe eliminated a record 24 50 win teams (vs Lebrons ~11, which is less than half.) From 2008-2010, Kobe actually faced a 50 win team in all but 1 of the series’ he played in, with a record of 10-1. Furthermore, he famously played through injuries to his own detriment which meant many of his scoring feats were done while injured. He won an NBA title and won FMVP with a broken finger taped to the opposing finger on his shooting hand. He also took on the opposing teams best player as often as he could on defense which is probably why many people think he wasn't as good defensively as he actually was. Simply the greatest difficult shot taker and maker in NBA history which makes the fact that virtually every year of his prime he shot above league average even more remarkable. He would have rewritten the modern scoring record books if he had the freedom on offense current players enjoy.
I like this guy he knows what KOBE did for the game.... I am still so sad we will never see him again, to the point I really can't watch basketball anymore. I remember looking at the TNT and ESPN schedules and locking in when 8/24 Played
@@asamanthinkethsoishe5647 Kareem was already on the bus several stop before Magic got on. He did build the Lakers dynasty, he joined it. Facts! My man!
Michael was the first player to ever break the rules every team runs with a system Michael had the triangle but when he said give me the damn ball and get the f*** out of my way Michael will go for 40 50 or 60 and it wasn't even close he was unguardable and for me that was the ultimate thing we've never seen that before a player that says give me the f****** ball get out of the way and score 60 points and win the ball game going through penetration dribbles breaking defenses and the zone defenses he was nuts
Why do we have to penalize Kobe because of Shaq? The Lakers don't 3 peat without Kobe. People act like Shaq was a gravy train that took everyone for a ride. Kobe saved the Lakers ass many times during that 3-peat.
When all these people say, LeBron is the goat because he has another gold medal or he has more points just ask them does he have an MVP trophy named after him?
Kobe is the closest to MJ. The major difference between the two-IN MY OPINION- is that MJ had bigger hands. For me it’s MJ, a distant second Kareem then Kobe.
NOT EVEN CLOSE....you young pups need to quit with that ...he was ALL DEFENSE, and the BEST at OFFENSE...in a day where you could get molly whopped !!!
I think Kareem doesn't get the recognition he deserves. The man was elite on both ends of the floor and had as big an impact on the game as Mike. And if you look at their college and HS careers, Lew Alcindor accomplished more than Jordan as well. Kareem is the greatest basketball player that ever lived.
The GOAT Debate ended for me years ago at the FT line. MJ would drive intentionally to seal a close game with FTs. LeBron was scared to do that even though he was a bull in a china shop when it came to driving the lane. And if he happened to find himself on the line late it was never the sealed fate as it was most often with MJ.
What I don't like is when Lebum makes that gesture of putting a 👑 on his head. That is a blatant disrespect to the real 🐐 M j 👈👈... He's not even close and don't forget the Mamba 👈👈 . There are more before him also but I'll leave it at that!!
For all the marbles, money etc... Micheal Jordan set a standard that Kobe, Lebron and Wade couldn't match... 1. Two three peats 2. 72-10 with a championship 3. Never played a game 7 in the finals 4. Baggy shorts, shoe deals, knee brace, wrist band are all extras🎯
When Avery said what he said, he finished with “ you catch my drift”!? That was a message to the fake king LeFraud and his disrespectful peasants! Lebron really doesn’t understand what he stepped in! He only put a spotlight on himself which isn’t going to end well!!!
He doesn’t - it’s just propaganda cause he is big. They looked at LeBron like a creat a player in 2k. They said - we gonna make this dude MJ - they canceled Kobe. Kobe was the one they should have promoted. The NBA just kept doubling down on LeBiogenesis and they began to discredit their own history and here we are.
the goat debate is for kids and adults who never came close to being good at sports.. if the game ended with Jordan's 36 points per game they lose every game. Who scored the rest for the bulls? How can you be the greatest in a team sport.. silly humans..
I hated Chicago but Jordan was by far best player of my lifetime it clearly gets exponentially harder to win plus 3 championships, Jordan was awesome offense or defense, he ate the game up, and he was willing to give up stats for wins and he did it from one team, its insulting to compare LBJ to MJ hell LBJ wasn't as good as Kareem, or Duncan, Jordan and Bird were also the best ambidextrous players. LBJ is at best top 10-12 of all time
MJ is the GOAT and no one is even close to him. You know how there’s an MJ of this or that, like Brady is the MJ of football, Tiger is the MJ of golf and so on and on, but I dont hear anyone say so and so is the Lebron of whatever.
the fact that leCringe fans is giving more importance from winning down 1-3 in the finals than winning 4-2 and not facing eliminations in the finals is wild to me😅
I agree with every word Avery Johnson said; however, the argument should be greatest of each era (or decade), then maybe we could come to some sort of majority agreement.
The frustration I feel while having GOAT debates, doesn't stem from the fact that I think Jordan is the GOAT and the person I'm debating is arguing for someone else. The frustration I feel comes from the fact that I don't think it's close.
8or9 years with out losing more than 3 games in a row is incredible M.V.P SCORING TITLES while still winning isn't even standard for possible realistically thinking stealing title 3000 points in a season will never be broken their is to many unreasonable things Michael Jeffery Jordan created to consider reaching his goals of over taking historical ruling in his life achieving the discipline motivation willpower is not easy to overcome period!
I actually have Magic before Kareem, i'm not really sure Kareem gets those 5 rings without Magic. I need someone to argue the merits of Kareem over Magic...well not argue but point out.
Mad respect for Avery loved him as a player and as a coach but I am 56 and seen both …Lebron’s impact is what makes him the goat to me …he gave them all the blueprint to have generational wealth Mike helped no one but himself sorry!
There is no debate. This is just created by the current NBA media. Lebron isn't even close to MJ.
Pretty much klutch sports clients such as Shannon sharpe, nick wright, kendrick Perkins, colin cowherd, j.j reddick etc
LeBron isn't even better than Kobe, Larry, or Magic
Kobe , Magic and Kareem are ..
LeBron has the scoring title by himself, other ppl have six rings like Jordan and more.
@beehav423 from an accumulative standpoint but as far as the ability to score the basketball no way he's better than Jordan
Tired of young cats disrespecting Jordan but got a closet full of his shoes that’s 30 plus years old 🙄
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@@ReddMoney74 IT GETS ME HOW THEY TRY TO MAKE A QUITTER & LOSER A WINNER & MAKE A WINNER A LOSER. JORDAN BROUGHT HONOR TO THE SPORT, ELEVATED IT. WHILE CHOKE CONTINUES TO DESTROY THE LEAGUE, PROBABLY BEYOND REPAIR. HE'S ALREADY SHOWED IT'S ALLLLL ABOUT HIM, HE CAN CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE LEAGUE. AS LONG AS HE GETS WHAT HE WANTS. POWER. ✌
As a 48 year old male I watched the Jordan era just as im watching the guys of the NBA today the goat debate shouldn’t even be a debate at all it’s MJ all Day every Day (365)
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Anyone who says Lebron is a the goat that’s young grew up being manipulated by LeMedia. Anyone older is just a Jordan hater. Anyone in the media saying it is trolling for clicks. Bcuz this is not even close. Kobe is the only one close
Pure facts. And if anybody says otherwise there are bunch of idiots smh. It’s about the eye test and my four eyes can clearly see lebron ain’t better than Kobe let alone Jordan
EXACTLY
I would also take Magic and Bird over Lebron along with Kareem.
You the greatest but had a completely carbon copy running around named Kobe.
Facts
We sometimes forget to mention that MJ got even better come playoff time.
MJ didn’t lost more than 2 games in a row for 8 years.
Don’t get me started with 2 three peats.
Wasn't this ehe expansion era where they played tomato cans at least once every ten days. How id he supposed to lose three in a row on a team with FOUR Hall of Famers?
@@emmanuelenyinwa1443wasn't those tomatoe cans the same ones that swept lebunnyhop in 07 beat em in his prime in 2011 n again gentlemen swept em in 2014 🤨🤔
Orlando was one of those teams Shaq and Penny. Tell that to somebody who will believe it Orlando would give any team problems. They best MJ in six when he came back the next year it's a sweep. Realtalk
@@ivanmitcham2114 last time I checked, he was getting swept in the east. Dude had a decade of losses😂
@@emmanuelenyinwa1443 only one all-star during his run. Pippen. The other guys are legends as unique role players on a championship run. Kukoc was a nice player, but never an all-star. Rodman was a great rebounder and defender, but you didn’t need to guard him.
Ive always said this: MJ changed the paradigm for winning and how we view winning as a society. Whoever is the best in their field is called the "Michael Jordan of....". Lebron changed how we view *losing* as a society, as a celebratory/participation trophy for just getting there and being a sympathetic figure. Case closed.
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@@moonwalker1298 That ......was profound. Its true, I think it started in 2015 when he lost and in the post-game presser basically said "this dont bother me cause I'm the best player in the world (mind you he just lost) and I'm going home to my great rich life while you all will go home to boiled hot dogs".
This was his THIRD finals loss and this one came in back to back years with 2 different franchises. A badly missed opportunity. Could you imagine had he won with the Heat in 2014 then came back and won AGAIN with Cleveland in 2015??
Yes, you nailed this dichotomy
@@sportstalkonly1442 No.
I think 98 was the closest thing to that for him. Didn't have Pippen most of the year and then Pippen was hindered by a bad back all Finals. Still won in 6.
Despite.
Also Bulls collectively were the oldest team in the league at the time.
What's your point? You wanna scratch the 2015 Finals loss off LeBron record?
Go ahead. I sympathize with what happened to Kyrie and Kevin Love that first go round with his return to Cleveland. I'll ignore the fact that he was already a 2 time Champion facing some unproven guys who hadn't won anything yet and should still have had a mental edge especially with him being you know ..."LeBron James". (And up 2-1)
You can scratch that one off.
So now there's only 5 finals losses. Do you also do the same for the Warriors the following year, when they lost Bogut and had Draymond stolen from them for Game 6. (You know the one that LeBron said made him "The Goat")
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@@oshe1 it was 2011 after the epic meltdown but your point still stands. Sports has always been about winning as the priority and 2nd place has always been the 1st loser. Whether it was Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, the Buffalo Bills, or whoever else. Now all of a sudden with this guy we gotta add context and he's the little engine that could whos climbing uphill barefoot in 27 feet of snow with an elephant on his back despite having more superteams than any other superstar in history lol nah you just aint get it done. Period.
@@moonwalker1298 Ahhh right. My bad,, there are 6 of them, hard to keep them straight lol
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If someone lose 6 finals can you call this person the greatest of all time.
Yes, if he won at least 10...
There’s no professional sport that I know of where the goat has a losing record in their championships.
I really cnt comprehend how lebron fans could even think that I’m a Kobe guy and I kno mj is the goat
Absolutely, positively not 😂
Sure you can...finals are about teams and coaching. LeBron carried teams there and got shut down. No coach while in Cleveland and an aspiring coach in Miami. For nine years Jordan got shut down many without getting to the playoffs. So stop it. He had phil and a surrounding cast. The caption not even close is so idiotic. There is not one nba player that would have Lebrons stats and record that would not argue in their favor as the goat. Even you if it were you would say you're the goat. You guys are something else.
Both sides of the court FACTS!
Mj isn't a better offensive player than LeBron. He closer to perfection for what he is but lebrons ability to playmake give him an edge.
Aside from his Championships, MJ was the definitive MVP in the Regular Season or NBA finals. You can't say the same for Lebron for each of his.
You sure as hell can.
@@simonhowell4486 That’s right…You sure as hell can!! But it would be a straight up lie.
@@simonhowell4486Are you going to explain your comment or are you just commenting for the sake of commenting. Let me help you with a couple obvious ones that have been debated, let’s start with a first and last for Lebron. ROY award should have been given to Melo who had better (more efficient) stats, games played, and team record. Melo’s +/- was also better. The Bubble championship. Lebron played great mainly on offense (typical), but no championship is one without AD’s consistent defense and offense.
@@dev30 Also, Melo made the playoffs his rookie year in the far tougher Western Conference, while LeBron did not. No way LeBron deserved ROY over Melo. And then there's the most recent LeBron "gimme" - the Olympic MVP that should have gone to Steph Curry.
he wasn't even ROTY tbh.. that should have been melo.. he took denver to the playoffs while lebron could not get to the playoffs.. it should have been at least co-rookies of the year at least..
Labron is so overated, and anybody can guard labron james. Passive
@RobertWilliams-qv2iu an old Jason Terry and a 5 11 Jose barera did that and shut down LeBron in 2011. Mj had never played bad or had a meltdown in a playoff series he was always the leading scorer except for his rookie year when he got outscored by less than one point dwl LeBron isn't even top 10 all time u can't be great by flopping and cheating the great. If we did a test and got 10 questions and only got 4 right we would fail that test and dats wat LeBron did went to ten finals and only win 4 also he can't shoot ft . He shoots below league average and in the clutch at the ft line he is a disaster and dats not greatness much less to be in a goat debate. Goat for LeBron means Get On Another Team dwl
@@RobertWilliams-qv2iu exactly! He has no bag, no handle, no low post game. He’s one dimensional. His best move is a drive to the rim and dunk, outside of 3 ft. from the rim his FG% drops significantly.
If anybody can guard Lebron, how the hell did he become the all time leading scorer? Make it make sense. Cut the bs 🤦♂
@@kevinrichardson3857made him quite
@@marcc.5535He also leads the NBA in turnovers. Facts
I miss Avery Johnson being a Baskeeebawll Coach
Read that in his voice, and I ain't been right since 😂😂😂
Get in the post fiveee ooooo...miss Avery on the Spurs
@@anthonyhernandez2111 Avurrayy Jawnsun 😂😂 remember that movie Eddie when Whoopi Goldberg called him a roach 🤣 them was the days lol
@@anthonyhernandez2111 Avery Johnson doesn’t know what his is talking about.That’s exactly why no NBA team wants him as their Coach.He is clueless
“I love the game of baskeeeeebawll” 😅 can’t get it out my mind!
Both ends of the floor and lebron is one of the all time worst defenders in league history he was an average defender in miami playing with other great defenders but since then he's a man who literally quit trying to play defense aside from occasional chase down blocks
Why do yall work so hard to discredit LeBron? I believe you actually get so mad you cry about LeBron. Man your life must be so damn pathetic
Yup. Bcos he wanted to prolong his career. He wasn't a great defender to begin with either
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Yeah ur right cause 6 all team defenses and 2 dpoy runner-ups says "not good on defense"
Casuals 😂😂😂clueless
@@simonhowell4486 if you actually watched you would know that he never once should of made an all defense team he only made it on name alone
🙋🏾♂️ There's no debate Jordan set the standard. He's the Greatest of All Time.
He’s the BLUEPRINT! No question. Right?
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Now .....if you want losing as a standard. LeBron is your go to goat. But if you are looking for winning as a standard, look up MJ and Bill.
This is got to b the most dumbest topic that's talked about. How do you compare a 4-6 finals record compare to a 6-0 record. YOU CANT
@@howardhollis3533 MJ and Kobe couldn't win without Phil system. They both were getting knocked out 1st round alot without him. LeBron does it with rookie coaches and new teammates lacking team chemistry, but he's such a genius, he gets the team running in no time. LeBron is by far the GOAT and it will be clear as day when his career is over. Yall love adding context to Jordan loses but go full retard when it comes to talking about LeBron losses. Man yall haters are such pathetic humans for how yall spend over time insulting this man to the highest level.
Look, it's MJ. If you even try to make an argument someone else is the GOAT, just shut up. You don't know what you talking. Like Avery said there are only distant 2nds.
MJ GOT MORE 3PEATS THAN BRON RE PEATS. BRON NOWHERE CLOSE TO MJ ONLY KOBE A FAR SECOND
The longer Lebron plays the more it shows the huge difference between him and MJ.
Its only a debate for fools
True
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And I can't stress this enough. During Jordan's era, there was no 3 second rule in the paint. So you could literally camp out in the paint and wait for your opponents to come in the paint. And there were "true" rim protectors back then.
So what lebron has piled up stats for 21 years..for 17 of those 21 seasons lebrons played..other guys in his era won the rings and mvps..thats no goat.
@DavidL-fz9hx not to mention the bubble ring in 2020 doesn't count plus they had to suspend green for them to win I'm Cleveland after he got carried in the last 4 minutes by kyrie and Ray Allen saving his ass in 2013 after he bricked the 3
Facts
He literally did the samething as Kareem with softer rules... NO LEBRON IS NOT THE GOAT.
Aside from the senseless trashing of Jordan, the nba has put a bad product on the floor in the 2010's and 2020's and called it a good one in an attempt to erase the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's from existence in the mind's of the youth!
When MJ played Point Guard:
over the 24 games he played point guard, he was averaging 30 points, 11 assists, And nine rebounds. After that year, Phil Jackson became the head coach. and Jordan moved back to shooting guard.
He also had 7 triple doubles in a row and a streak of 10 out of 11 games during that period. Jordan was a 2 guard, a scorer, but if his role changed he could also be a prolific passer as well. Also, his team defensive help ability, IQ, and instinct allowed him to assist in guarding multiple positions, evidenced by his high blocking average for a SG and blocks on centers and power forwards.
And he never won until he had system in place he didn’t even beat all the competition.LeBron did
And also it’s opinion based because what is MJ the greatest at?
@tealjack5 cant beat the competition making teams with the guys you're supposed to compete against..
@@tealjack5what is Lebron greatest at, besides bully ball?
Kobe took way too many shots. He is the closest that I’ve seen to Michael Jordan but his shot selection was a tad bit crazy sometimes.
Exactly, he took too damn many shots and missed a lot of them, he wasn’t consistent, he was a hell of a athlete, Iverson was worst that Kobe, all them damn shots and missing, and not going to practice, and he mad when the coach say something, Denver didn’t tolerate that BS😂
Bean has three consecutive trips to the finals on two separate occasions. One blink, and it's 40 on your head. Lockdown defender. Got robbed for an MVP or two. The best player we have seen since MJ. #8 #24 🏀👟
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Bars
- Beat the most 50+ win teams in NBA history
- Second most points scored in a single game NBA history, First most in the modern era.
- Oldest player to score 60+
- 3rd most consecutive 50+ point games in NBA history
- 2nd most All-NBA First Team honors won (tied with Malone)
- Most All-NBA Team honors won by a guard
- Most All-NBA First Team honors won by a guard
- 2nd most All-Defensive Team honors won
- Most All-Defensive First Team honors won (tied with Mike, GP, KG)
- Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years
- Oldest player to record back-to-back games of 40+ points and 10+ assists
- 5x NBA Champion on a three-peat
- Dragged a squad with no other superstar/top 75 to repeat
- 2x Finals MVP
- 1x MVP
- 2x Scoring Champ
- 9x All-Defense First
- 3x All-NBA Second
- 18x NBA All Star
Kobe is also 1 of only 6 players to win back-to-back Finals MVP (2peat). Kobe did this in one of the most competitive conference in history.
4th in scoring all time, #16 in steals, #33 in assists, #115 in rebounds.
Lead the 2000's with the most points scored in the decade and the highest scoring average of the decade.
He did all that and scored 35.1ppg on a team that only averaged 96ppg a game as a team and he did so in the slowest paced era and lowest scoring era in league history.
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Kobe was definitely robbed of having more MVP's. It took the league a long time to forgive him about that Colorado incident.
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Mike was just so skilled in every facet of the game on offense and defense..lebron's game and skillset looks pretty average when you watch Jordans highlights.
I agree 100%
@@DavidL-fz9hx YES. Boring highlight reel.
I wish this generation would advocate for the “Old Rules” just to see how they would perform.
Please!!!
@@williamtudyjr6665 The NBA should just do that themselves. But its a business and they have to "protect" their ..."product".
At the end of the day nobody who team jumps to chase rings can be called a goat period!
Lefraud's fanatics living in fantasy land. 6x finals loss and 2x bronze medal in international tournament is the standard for being the greatest 😂
Lefans constantly overlooking FACTS. They love them some STATS though. So how can their Lefavor player be the GOAT when he’s the all-time leader in the playoff losses with 107? When I read that number I was shocked. “One hundred and seven!” Why are we still entertaining this nonsense. EVEN if you don’t have MJ as your GOAT, I mean what are we doing. Seriously!
For real
BRONSEXUALS are support Kamala Harris. The liberal mind is a WEAK MIND.
Most turnovers in NBA history... Most missed shots of any Laker... GTFOH with this nonsense!
@@DesmondDaddy Hold up.....WHAT??? 107???
@@oshe1 Google it! “Who is the all-time leader in playoff losses” That’s all I did, was look it up.
How do you win a scoring title AND a defensive player of the year award in the same damn year?!! You know what kind of energy that takes?! That's INSANE! Some inhuman cyborg stuff! Y'all can't just gloss over that like it's no big deal. That alone, makes him the GOAT. THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DUPLICATED TO THIS DAY! And this was during the roughest defensive era!
And compare MJ's unlimited energy to LeBron, who often doesn't even run his lazy ass back to the defensive end. How can anyone compare someone like LeBron to MJ?
@@Wis_Dom And he was prolly staying up all night gambling or playing 36 holes of golf before alot of those games.....
@@labynoe LOL
Er, and a Championship..
@@chriswilliams8849 and the MVP of said championship ......
I though he left shut the door after he said "it's just Mike" 😂😂😂
He should have lol 😆
That jazz team back then was crazy .... I don't think people understand how good that jazz team was
Good enough to embarrass Shaq & Kobe.
3peat championship...twice. Never played in a game 7...6 TIME FINALS MVP 😮🐐
Lebron Fans Excuses for Final losses.
1. Well his first trip to the Finals he didn't have any help.
2. It was his first year in Miami, and they still needed time to gel.
3. Coming off multiple Finals appearances, Lebron was the only one playing while the rest of the team quit.
4. He was all by himself with no Kevin Love or Kyrie.
Excuses, Excuses, Excuses!!!
And what’s Jordan’s excuse for not winning without Scottie Pippen?
@@chijiokeuzoma8989 real Jordan fans have none. MJ never made excuses! MJ never lost in the Finals unlike Lebron so why would MJ need an excuse for not winning without Pippen? We're talking about Finals losses here!
Great overall segment and review. Now it is time to finally discuss the overarching problem. Who’s bright idea was it to compare anyone to MJ in this daffy era?? Then Lebron Dumb Dumb had the nerve and audacity to state openly that he was the greatest basketball player. Opening Michael Jordan’s Pandora’s Box, revealing him to tens of thousands of youngsters in this era who went on TH-cam or other media vehicles to see what MJ was all about only to become awe-inspired that anyone could play ball like this has made MJ even greater and unreachable because Mj was minding his own business in formal retirement for over 21 plus years. This is the main reason why there was never a GOAT Debate it didn’t exist, this has been an exercise in hyperbole and delusion.
Amen
Straight Facts!
@Poky-65 straight facts my brother floppers can't be great at anything
@@Poky-65 Standing Ovation.
Salute to the legend and teo time nba champion Avery Johnson. Good role player, solid point guard and he told no lies...
Damn the "Little General" has spoken and he said it ain't close 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cuz it ain't
7:00- what you're talking about bro is REAL Basketball IQ, which is sorely lacking in the NBA & Basketball in general nowadays
100% agree! A lot of people or tans today think doing your job on the court gives you the right to say they have high IQ.
Facts
As a guy who began watching the NBA in 1967, I confirm that MJ is the GOAT. The case for Kareem ranking 2nd is also compelling. Kareem has 6 Chips, 2 Finals MVPs, 7 1st/2nd Place Season MVP Vote Shares, 10 First All-NBA, 10 First All-Defense, and most NBA Longevity Stats comparable to LeBron despite 4 years in college. For a number of detailed reasons, Kobe is 3rd.
@@soulofamerica thank you for your input Sir
There is mj and thenbthere is everyone else kobe is 2nd and it's true he is way behind mj
He played with one of the best in Tim Duncan and he knows with the EYE TEST that MJ is the greatest period.
How can losing 6 finals and even being shut down by a bench player can put you in the goat conversation????
Jordan stopped SO MANY HOF PLAYERS from getting RINGS………
That's a fact
@@Mandownsports karl Malone still mad at him and jealous of him, crazy deadbeat mf😂
People forget Kobe was playing behind Eddie Jones who was no slouch.
The one big lie that irritates me beyond most of Lebeon lies... is he guarded Derrick Rose. D Rose blew by this kat like he wasn't there in 2011. On one play he went by Lebron and dunk so hard I wanted to call them people on him. 😂
Look... I could guard all positions. It doesn't mean I'm defending against those positions well. Lebron didn't save the day and guard Dirk. He didn't dare try D Howard or Tim Duncan... Sheesh! Jason Terry gave him the bigness in the finals... Who has Lebron ever shut down in a big game?
Kobe Bean Bryant
- Beat the most 50+ win teams in NBA history
- Second most points scored in a single game NBA history, First most in the modern era.
- Oldest player to score 60+
- 3rd most consecutive 50+ point games in NBA history
- 2nd most All-NBA First Team honors won (tied with Malone)
- Most All-NBA Team honors won by a guard
- Most All-NBA First Team honors won by a guard
- 2nd most All-Defensive Team honors won
- Most All-Defensive First Team honors won (tied with Mike, GP, KG)
- Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years
- Oldest player to record back-to-back games of 40+ points and 10+ assists
- Carried Olympic team to a gold medal
- 5x NBA Champion on a three-peat
- Dragged a squad with no other superstar/top 75 to repeat
- 2x Finals MVP
- 1x MVP
- 2x Scoring Champ
- 9x All-Defense First
- 3x All-NBA Second
- 18x NBA All Star
Kobe is also 1 of only 6 players to win back-to-back Finals MVP (2peat). Kobe did this in one of the most competitive conference in history.
He was also the 1A/1B option on the most recent 3peat team (only five 3peats in NBA history).
4th in scoring all time, #16 in steals, #33 in assists, #115 in rebounds.
Lead the 2000's with the most points scored in the decade and the highest scoring average of the decade.
Made 7 finals, won 5.
He also had 10 50 point games in the 2006-2007 season alone. He also scored 60-50-65-50 in consecutive games. In 2003 he scored 40+ in 9 straight games. Outscored the Dallas Mavericks 62-61 by himself after 3 quarters, sat the 4th; he was easily on his way to 80 that game. Didn't matter, he hit 80 soon after. He did all that and scored 35.1ppg on a team that only averaged 96ppg a game as a team and he did so in the slowest paced era and lowest scoring era in league history.
Kobe eliminated a record 24 50 win teams (vs Lebrons ~11, which is less than half.)
From 2008-2010, Kobe actually faced a 50 win team in all but 1 of the series’ he played in, with a record of 10-1.
Furthermore, he famously played through injuries to his own detriment which meant many of his scoring feats were done while injured. He won an NBA title and won FMVP with a broken finger taped to the opposing finger on his shooting hand. He also took on the opposing teams best player as often as he could on defense which is probably why many people think he wasn't as good defensively as he actually was.
Simply the greatest difficult shot taker and maker in NBA history which makes the fact that virtually every year of his prime he shot above league average even more remarkable.
He would have rewritten the modern scoring record books if he had the freedom on offense current players enjoy.
Kobe Bean Bryant!
I like this guy he knows what KOBE did for the game.... I am still so sad we will never see him again, to the point I really can't watch basketball anymore. I remember looking at the TNT and ESPN schedules and locking in when 8/24 Played
I can guard all positions too. Doesn't mean I can lock them up 😂
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Exactly! That’s what I say too 😂! I can guard all positions too but it doesn’t mean I can lock them up 😂
I agree with you and Mr. Avery. Great video. MJ wins again.
MAGIC GOT 5 UNDER 15 YEARS.
@@asamanthinkethsoishe5647 Kareem was already on the bus several stop before Magic got on. He did build the Lakers dynasty, he joined it. Facts! My man!
I appreciate you dismantling the “guard all 5” nonsense.
It's sickening
Michael was the first player to ever break the rules every team runs with a system Michael had the triangle but when he said give me the damn ball and get the f*** out of my way Michael will go for 40 50 or 60 and it wasn't even close he was unguardable and for me that was the ultimate thing we've never seen that before a player that says give me the f****** ball get out of the way and score 60 points and win the ball game going through penetration dribbles breaking defenses and the zone defenses he was nuts
Why do we have to penalize Kobe because of Shaq? The Lakers don't 3 peat without Kobe. People act like Shaq was a gravy train that took everyone for a ride. Kobe saved the Lakers ass many times during that 3-peat.
Jordan himself said rodman should've been MVP in 1996 against the super sonics.
When all these people say, LeBron is the goat because he has another gold medal or he has more points just ask them does he have an MVP trophy named after him?
Larry Bird could give me as many assists as Lebron without dominating the ball. And as may points
Larry Bird was better than lebron. Hands Down
The per game stats clearly show that Jordan was a better scorer, defender, clutch player and winner. It’s really not even a debate.
Michael Jordan was better at basketball then anyone was at their respective profession.
Kobe is the closest to MJ. The major difference between the two-IN MY OPINION- is that MJ had bigger hands. For me it’s MJ, a distant second Kareem then Kobe.
Still, no one has come truly close to MJ
NOT EVEN CLOSE....you young pups need to quit with that ...he was ALL DEFENSE, and the BEST at OFFENSE...in a day where you could get molly whopped !!!
Bro, you're one of the most logical and knowledgeable basketball historians on social media. 👑💪🏾💪🏾🏀
Salute 🫡
And he's telling ALL facts
Mike!!!
The swagggg was so hood and classy...
Avery Johnson is right LeBron could never compete in the 90s
I agree with Avery
I think Kareem doesn't get the recognition he deserves. The man was elite on both ends of the floor and had as big an impact on the game as Mike. And if you look at their college and HS careers, Lew Alcindor accomplished more than Jordan as well. Kareem is the greatest basketball player that ever lived.
They been selling these kids lebron since they small
The GOAT Debate ended for me years ago at the FT line. MJ would drive intentionally to seal a close game with FTs. LeBron was scared to do that even though he was a bull in a china shop when it came to driving the lane. And if he happened to find himself on the line late it was never the sealed fate as it was most often with MJ.
What I don't like is when Lebum makes that gesture of putting a 👑 on his head. That is a blatant disrespect to the real 🐐 M j 👈👈... He's not even close and don't forget the Mamba 👈👈 . There are more before him also but I'll leave it at that!!
For all the marbles, money etc...
Micheal Jordan set a standard that Kobe, Lebron and Wade couldn't match...
1. Two three peats
2. 72-10 with a championship
3. Never played a game 7 in the finals
4. Baggy shorts, shoe deals, knee brace, wrist band are all extras🎯
I only hear about lebron guarding derrick rose and tiago splitter
Damn! Tiago Splitter always taking strays 😂
MJ, KAJ, Kobe, Wilt, Magic, Russell, Bird, Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq,
When Avery said what he said, he finished with “ you catch my drift”!? That was a message to the fake king LeFraud and his disrespectful peasants! Lebron really doesn’t understand what he stepped in! He only put a spotlight on himself which isn’t going to end well!!!
I can see that for sure
only the jealous and ignorant dont consider jordan as the goat.
The real question is why are people still talking about this none sense
FACTS! SPEAK ON IT!!
40,000+ points but won the scoring title only once, means that LBJ achievements are more about longevity.
Iverson...... I hit Mike with my best move and he still almost blocked it
But where is the evidence of him playing DEFENSE at all these different positions!
Thank u
Ain't none
He doesn’t - it’s just propaganda cause he is big. They looked at LeBron like a creat a player in 2k. They said - we gonna make this dude MJ - they canceled Kobe. Kobe was the one they should have promoted. The NBA just kept doubling down on LeBiogenesis and they began to discredit their own history and here we are.
They still haven't giving him the "S.A.O.D. Award" Standing Around On Defense Award
There is evidence that LeBron can guard all these different positions can all five positions consistently
Exactly I've been saying that for years who in the hell loses 6 NBA finals and still be called the greatest of all time🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤥🤥😈🤣🤣🤣💯😉🎤
When we compare players, the world always compare players to MJ. You don't get credit for losing (6). Not close.
the goat debate is for kids and adults who never came close to being good at sports.. if the game ended with Jordan's 36 points per game they lose every game. Who scored the rest for the bulls? How can you be the greatest in a team sport.. silly humans..
I got mike Kareem duncan kobe hakeem
lebron got dunked on in the face in the olyp-by an unknown player, overseas,,lol
I hated Chicago but Jordan was by far best player of my lifetime it clearly gets exponentially harder to win plus 3 championships, Jordan was awesome offense or defense, he ate the game up, and he was willing to give up stats for wins and he did it from one team, its insulting to compare LBJ to MJ hell LBJ wasn't as good as Kareem, or Duncan, Jordan and Bird were also the best ambidextrous players. LBJ is at best top 10-12 of all time
The fact it even is a conversation is a joke in itself
C'mon LeSoft, your kids WEAR JORDANS.... End of the debate that never existed!!!
MJ is the GOAT and no one is even close to him. You know how there’s an MJ of this or that, like Brady is the MJ of football, Tiger is the MJ of golf and so on and on, but I dont hear anyone say so and so is the Lebron of whatever.
the fact that leCringe fans is giving more importance from winning down 1-3 in the finals than winning 4-2 and not facing eliminations in the finals is wild to me😅
....don't forget ...Dunk Contests !!!
Jordan... contests
Lebron... nothing
I agree with every word Avery Johnson said; however, the argument should be greatest of each era (or decade), then maybe we could come to some sort of majority agreement.
Nobody ever lost sleep playing Lebron it’s usually surrounding cast that won him a title ..
The frustration I feel while having GOAT debates, doesn't stem from the fact that I think Jordan is the GOAT and the person
I'm debating is arguing for someone else. The frustration I feel comes from the fact that I don't think it's close.
Leadership and MJ has that😂😂😂😂😂😂
Big facts
Everyone LeBron matchup against in The Finals they scoring averages went up overrated defensively
Y'ALL KEEP FORGETTING MAGIC.
8or9 years with out losing more than 3 games in a row is incredible M.V.P SCORING TITLES while still winning isn't even standard for possible realistically thinking stealing title 3000 points in a season will never be broken their is to many unreasonable things Michael Jeffery Jordan created to consider reaching his goals of over taking historical ruling in his life achieving the discipline motivation willpower is not easy to overcome period!
I actually have Magic before Kareem, i'm not really sure Kareem gets those 5 rings without Magic. I need someone to argue the merits of Kareem over Magic...well not argue but point out.
Not mad at that
Mad respect for Avery loved him as a player and as a coach but I am 56 and seen both …Lebron’s impact is what makes him the goat to me …he gave them all the blueprint to have generational wealth Mike helped no one but himself sorry!
How can you be the goat ? Jason Terry beat the breaks off leflop