I felt the exact same way as you. I kept putting platforms for my team, only for them to ignore it or waste it. Funnily enough, I had a game where the ENEMY Cassidy took MY platform, and used it to set up a high noon. I was so tilted when I saw that. Why couldn’t I get a guy like that on MY team? So, the secret to success is to just yoink the tank and not try to use petal. Understood. Thanks for the vid. I’m tired of hearing so many other content creators just shit talk him rather than even try to understand how to play him. Love your content and what you bring to the Overwatch community.
Remember you can hit F to cancel the platform, was so funny to watch a cass try to high noon on my platform just to stare at a wall when i cancelled it
That's only for low elo in higher elos it is perfectly viable to use petal. In loerw elos you should only use it on yourself until your allies actually want to use it since you can use it to save someone.
This is the take the community needs to see. A true battlefield controller. A support, not a healer. With refinement LW will be a game-changer for sure. Can't wait for ranked play.
The problem is that the pacing of a game makes good positioning almost always outweigh Lifeweaver's use. He makes rotations quicker which can be useful at times, but is repositioning quicker really that useful when you could have more sustain, a biotic grenade, suzu, more consistent damage, etc.? I don't think it is. As far as the whole "You'll enable your team like a chess master!" No, you won't. You won't always get to play in the back and enable your team if the enemies are focused on putting Lifeweaver himself into the ground. You can't enable your team when you're dead. There are heroes that have too many variables going on - that is, more complexity. But that complexity doesn't make the hero good. It makes them great when the variables all align, but otherwise, you're going to be hard punished for the pick and feel like you're doing nothing.
@@pindy6109 I agree, he’s not a first pick for really any comp right now. I’d argue LW’s value is higher in metal ranks (where I’m at), especially since dive comps are less common and less effective. Supports typically see the battlefield better and when paired with a main healer, LW could put DPS into positions they either didn’t know or think about rotating to. I’m thinking something like Gibraltar, giving less mobile DPS access to high ground. Rapidly repositioning a bastion, soldier, or other dps with limited vertical mobility could be clutch. Again this is all theory for another 24 hours, but ultimately I’m just saying I don’t think LW is dead in the water as a character, especially down in the metal trenches lol.
been maining lifeweaver since he dropped in qp, absolutely love the hero and he is 100% underrated. His healing when positioned correctly is quite potent as well. Most i've had in a single game was 16k. He's nuts!
Yea, he can't out-heal direct focus fire but why should he? Plus I think people don't realize how powerful healing that never misses is, especially at the ranges it can go. It is kind of like Ana heals, at a slower fire rate, but never misses, that's still pretty strong.
Exactly! I think he's fine, especially when he's in the right position and doing a good job being aware of where everyone else is. I've been getting a lot more endorsements from playing a decent support in Lifeweaver than I have with other supports too.
Yeah I had games the other day where our Lifeweaver was just pumpin way more heals and amazing lifegrip saves than our Ana and Mercy. In one game at Esperanza, our Ana gave up on healing and instead pumped in dmg XD because Lifeweaver here was so good.
I’m a lw main. I have over 60 hours in season 4 and over 20 hours in season 5 as of now. He is absolutely underrated. The most healing I’ve done with lw is 32k healing. It was a match of 32k heals and 4k damage I believe.
Thank you SVB. Your opinion was refreshing and really appreciate your perspective. Keep up the great work and offering positivity when there is a lot of downers at the moment
I was so excited when I saw his moveset for exactly the reasons you said. He was playing god and was so unique controlling position as his main job. Amazing video! I was shocked when people said he was really bad I bet with the buffs he’s gonna be decent to most and absolutely busted in the right hands.
4:20 That sounded like the lifeweaver character himself 5:44 Blizzard should let lifegrip do an ult animation cancel so the ult doesnt get messed up in my opinion 10:33 Yeah, lifeweaver said that our specialty lyes in our uniqueness and people honestly dont like unique, its underrated
This is why I liked the old ow1 Zarya. You used to make plays, save lives and enable teammates with your bubbles. Bubbling a low hp ulting mccree, ulting pharah, or a genji blade as he goes into cc were some of those make or break moments that won you entire fights. It was always great saving a support or dps getting dove and hearing them thank you while you beam their aggressor. Not only that, but could get super strong off your bubble plays and beam their backline and it just felt great getting rewarded for making good plays with your bubbles. Now in ow2 it seems most optimal to bubble self mostly and you can't rely on rein shield hopping anymore for easy charge, it feels like the things that made Zarya fun to play for me were gone. All those clutch saves, ult enables, and tank synergy has become double bubble yourself for energy then beam. Much simpler and dumbed down gameplay because you didn't have to think when to use your bubbles and who to save them for anymore.
Bro I got saved by life weaver a dozen times in quick play yesterday. His kit is really good if the player is good. I don't want to play him, but I can appreciate getting saved by a well timed pull. I got rescued from a bastion ult and he pulled me on his platform , I said thank you and he did his little emote. I appreciated it very much
4:15 the "i stopped coordinating and just did it my way" saved me so much headache in quick play i stg. i had never gotten supper frustrated in QP before, but expecting my teammates to coordinate with my petals was driving me insane lol
this was super interesting and made me so excited as a hardstuck silver support main who constantly watches their team die because i cant out heal the damage
I knew this hero was perfect for me the moment I saw the trailer. I love defensive kits, and thinking outside the box, and being able to do crazy stuff when you have comms is down my alley. I really hope Blizzard makes more heros like this, and drown out the people who complain that every new idea is bad because it isn't the status quo. Idk why people are always wanting something new and cool, and when it happens, they just complain. They could drop Ana 2.0 and they'd still say the hero is op or bad. Its not just the usual click bait takes that content creators do either, most player just seems to say a hero is bad if it doesn't 0-100 heal in one button or takes more that just clicking on someone to be effective, and when the hero is that, everyone complains how OP it is. I'd rather have weak heros with fun and interesting kits than walking stats
Honestly couldn't agree more with this. Lifeweaver is VERY underrated. I can understand him not getting much play or being misunderstood in lower ranks; however, in higher play (with some solid tactics) Lifeweaver can enable his team in a lot of ways. On top of him having some incredible versatility he is all around an absolute BLAST to play! I look forward to seeing how they rework him in the future (because it is inevitable) and hope that they don't change too much from his base now. A little more damage wouldn't hurt imo; but that's just me :)
I said since the day he was revealed that this was going to be the proper way to play him. Get dove, well meet my bodyguard Reinhardt (life grips Rein) diver flattened, someone is feeding or just got slept/anti NOT MY TEAMMATE. Once his buffs go live I think he will be even better, after I knew they were going to buff/change him I said I would just wait so that I didn't get too used to how he was already designed and or being played. Always love your content SVB
Man, I agree 100%. Ive been having an unbelievably fun time with him, and while i do agree with the community that some aspects still didnt quite feel right (the slow while charging heal, for example), i think the overreacting because of raw damage and healing stats is a little silly for a character that can quite literally fundamentally change how you play certain matchups, even generally bad ones. Thank you for the refreshing perspective and the dedication and patience im sure it took to make this "bottom tier trash" work
I really enjoy your videos. It was around day 3 of release of Lifeweaver I really understood like you did and was having the most fun since Moira’s launch lol. I watched your Junker Queen video the other day first and omg your tips made such a difference when playing her!
I have been one-tricking LW and, even if I am not as good as you are, I have the same feeling about this hero. Sometimes, mate were flaming them when they don't know I saved them tho. I clearly remember that Hanzo that flame me for pulling him because he didn't saw the Reaper that was tping behind him.
3:58 this is the reason y he is considered bad by the most (people don't play as team) if u actually add him into a team that speaks and plays TOGETHER then his kit will allow him to be great at (as the role called) SUPPORTING
Random aside, I want to go on a one-person campaign to replace the words "content creator" with a respectable, existing word for the same idea: "producer". But on topic, you make Lifeweaver look like a lot of fun! Quality content production, as always!
I really love ur videos! Ive been binge watching a little bit since I’m ill. Ur videos are very well produced! Life weaver seems super cool I’m excited to start playing him :))
I love this experiment and this video simply because there was no toxicity. I don’t want to play games just to get complaints and flames, which happens in all your other videos, so this felt reaaaaally refreshing!
When lifeweaver came out I just thought to myself:" wait a minute, can't everything lifeweaver does also be done by sym given you have the right coordination?" So i started playing sym with a 3 stack and damn she is so underrated. At first it was hard to coordinate my group to work properly with the tp but as we went on we realized that with sym you can have anything from lifegrip to backline deleting plays wether by yourself (which sym can do but this is not the true strength of sym) or with others. That is why i think sym is super slept on and you should try her out. Communication with your group is a skill like any other and if you have that sym is the hero to make it work
Sym technically has the strongest kamehameha the game at 180 dps on full charge (Zarya 170, Moira 140), that hero is all about timing, which makes her immensely situational. Kudos if you are making her work :)
3:55 thats why with lifeweaver i only save my friends and if i have a chance i will try to save other teammates but if they are braindead i will just give up on them
I think it's entertaining that Lifeweaver is pretty much just a "You're not doing it right so I'll do it for you" Type character, never thought about it that way- thanks for the fresh perspective!
Do you remember the scene in the Firefly movie where our heroes had The rivers chased them bad guys home planet? That's the idea I got when you dragged the tanks to the high ground where they need to be
People keep looking at Lifeweaver as a heal-bot instead of as a support. He's not supposed to be a heal-bot or a hard DPS support. He's supposed to be support.
His buff is gonna make him so broken. I've been enjoying the live chess game. He does so much healing from saving people from the brink and healing them up. I play in masters to gm quickplay on console and he's been a blast.
Credit to the randoms you got footage of, most of them got pulled and immediately went to work where they landed. Like the sigma at 5:13 "a genji? on my support? hell naw." or the hog at 4:47 "oh cool i guess we fight here now?"
Literally the only content creator I’ve seen not trash talk Lifeweaver is ML7. Thank you for at least giving him a chance compared to most content creators.
Sigma would be interesting to see usually it has a high skill ceiling with his ultimate and primary. Since he lost his combo it should be interesting to see how you would play with him.
Love these videos! I'm really looking forward to LW's reworks and buffs coming this week. It's nice to hear someone have a more nuanced/experienced take rather than constantly hearing that he's useless, broken, or whatever. But, as you said, I think it does really overshadow the fact that we got a new interesting hero to play with.
I’m happy to see this video. I struggled to get used to him day 1 and 2 of playing him, but quickly could recognize the potential. And I knew he wasn’t bad.. I was just bad at him. I’m glad to see you and ML7 working to figure out all that he can do 👍 ❤great work. Thanks for the vid
This series is fantastic. Always equally educational and entertaining. Always positive without veering into toxic positivity. I really hope you get around to Symmetra one day. I poured so many hour into her in Overwatch 1 that she's still listed as my most played hero but I feel like I have no clue what I'm doing with the current iteration.
Thank you SVB this is the very thing and energy the community needs. This is probably my favorite lifeweaver video I've seen and I too also think he's such a high IQ character that innately most of the gamers out there just won't understand his potential. You rock and love the ML7 duo 😅
Thank you so much for this! I am glad someone else sees him as a sleeper pick. I am planning on maining him and he is so much fun. I have gotten good results after pulling my tank who goes too deep so they learn 'yo bro you need to stay with the team'. I can't wait until he comes into comp.
I've always felt (diamond 2 atm) that as a support I always had better game sense than most of my tanks. The idea that I can actually leverage that knowledge to affect games in real time by yoinking folks into a more net positive situation sounds fkn amazing 💯
That’s cause you do. The tank only sees the enemy and maybe 1 or two dps right near him. He doesn’t know where his supports are at all times. He must rely on pins and death notifications to know what’s happening in the backline. As a support you got a much cleaner picture of where everyone is on your team.
I genuinely have not had as much fun playing a new Support hero like this since Moira's release in 2017 He is definitely not what OW players are used to getting which is why it feels like he's not a great fit, we're used to our Supports having good enough damage (more so if you can aim) good healing (also if you can aim sometimes) and some kind of crazy skill you can throw out that gets wild value like lamp, bio nade, suzu, discord It sucks that a vast majority of Overwatch will only ever see Support as "Big healing done number = Support is doing well" When really I have played multiple Mercy/Ana/Moira/Kiriko games I get like insane 10k plus sometimes 15k plus healing done in an UNRANKED 10 minute game and still lose. I already am honing in on 24 hours on Lifeweaver and it has not been boring a single minute of the way. Both with my friends and in solo. You really don't feel the low healing or damage when you can pull Ramattra into the backline and he receives a Nano Boost as he presses Annihilation and you watch 5 people all shit themselves at once. No support OW devs have ever made can give me that much dopamine at once from pressing one button
That healing point is so true. People forget that high healing numbers just means one team is either feeding more or one team isn't finishing kills. Then you get the toxic players talking about damage, their damag and all they are doing is feeding the enemy support ultimates. People should focus more on assists, since that's the stat that gets glossed over when a team is really working together.
Fun is not the opposite of weak. But yes I agree I don't think he is as bad as people say he is. He will grow more and more in power as the community learns how to play as and with him.
As a reaper main, for the first few weeks I was very annoyed with life weavers always pulling me out when I was making a play or going in hard while I still had my fade to get out, but lately I have had a lot of life weavers watching over me, letting me make plays and pulling me when I needed it most, or putting the tree near my ult so I didn't die. I quite enjoy seeing a lifeweaver on my team now because It allows me to be a more aggressive reaper with less risk if I make a mistake. And as always. Supports are always MVP'S in my games, because without them I wouldn't be able to do what I do.
oh i remember that name you were a Lifeweaver on Route 66 when i was rein. that pulls were amazing, that said im also not a tank player and went in like a clown but it ended up in showing dominance to the other team :D
Yeah the number of times I got saved by the life grip man, I get teary eyes XD. Like those times I played Ram/Doomfist and got lifegrip like I was given Tracer's recall is so good. As a Tracer main I don't even have to use recall a whole lot I don't have to ask for help! As a Tracer main I'm so gonna ride hard and sweaty on Lifeweaver wait wha? Lifeweaver player: huh?
Its the same situation as with yuumi in league of legends. People didnt understand how to play her and with her cause she was different to all the other champs. People immediately turn to hate things they dont understand.
100% that others don’t know how to position. Defending 2nd point of Gibraltar, I kept pulling my Orisa and Soldier up on the ship. Idk if they’d ever been there before bc they were so excited to be there. It was cute to see my Starsheep Orisa jumping in place as we waited for grip to be off cool down. Enemy widow HATED us since she couldn’t have a clean shot.
Bro, I'm a high Dimond support, I tried weaver for the first time yesterday, fuck man he's hilarious fun, 15k heals 19 kills 0 deaths, he's a sleeper for sure, and the most fun outside dpsyatta I've had in a long time!!! Great vid as always brother!!
thank you for this video! i main lifeweaver now because playing him has been the most fun i've ever had playing overwatch. it makes me sad how much backlash i see over a hero i love to play and also love the characterization of.
I love how now he’s been buffed to all hell I absolutely loved using him before the buff even so now he’s pretty decent with being able to interchange heals and damage more easily.
i’ve only really started out playing liveweaver (i have about 12h on record) and i am enjoying it so much. especially since they changed the controls (which made him much less clunky) and i’ve been getting many thank yous for my pulls and actually got a ton of healing done. in one game i even did more heals than our mercy 😅 if you play him in a certain way you can fully out-heal a non-burst healer by miles
Hey, 2024 here, I main Lifeweaver, and have him at a 52% Winrate in Comp and Unranked! I have so much fun, and his healing is so versatile. Cheers to the future of LW!
10:46 That sleepy Pharah is every kid dream Anyway base of this video it makes me hype up.. If only I have a device to play, maybe I could be a good duo with my sister since I love aggressive enter while my sister love play support.. LW grip can help a lot
I haven't had the chance to play the hero outside of the practice range but he seems quite powerful. Being able to swap from doing dps and healing and not having to reload as long as you spend enough time doing the other is great. You just have to get used to the swapping which feels awkward on controller. He has such 3d playmaking potential. Also played with a lifeweaver earlier as Brig and everytime he was getting pressured, I got yoinked to kill a diver. Hey 😊 we steamrolled them.
9:54 The enemy Lifeweaver, did indeeed, and in fact, get clipped LOL. Nice alternative take on LW. I knew he wasn't completely useless, but compared to other healers, he just needs more cerebral capacity (I mean, four abilities + two arms doesn't tell you that enough?)
We saw this with Anduin in Heroes of the Storm as well, pulls gets OP real quick once people know how to use it, Lifeweaver doesn't need big heal numbers if you just pull people to safety.
I've had a Sigma quit the game as soon as I pulled him, even though he was surrounded and had enough health to be killed by melee. Aside from that I haven't had any negative interactions when playing as LW. Most people seem to like getting pulled away if they're outnumbered and dying.
"Weak" is relative, it doesn't mean unplayable, it's compared to the other supports. We all know the easiest strat to climbing out of the metal ranks is to get kills yourself and doing just enough healing. Positioning your teammates is fun and all... If they do something with it. Unfortunately this often doesn't work in solo-que, but it was always obvious that he'd be good in coordinated play, with some gimmicky strats. Is that a problem?... Well If OW had several more supports it wouldn't be, but when the roster is small, and with 5v5... eh... Honestly it's made the season kinda anti-climactic, the hype we had for Kiriko just isn't there. I think most were saying he felt clunky, but some conflate a hero not feeling fun to them with being weak. You didn't say "clunky" when describing his platform being frequently wasted, but that's exactly what it is. Whether you like the hero or not, if 90% of your solo-que teammates waste your cooldown, either because they don't notice it or it breaks the normal flow of the game, that's a design flaw. If a hero needs to spend most of their time performing the least interesting part of their kit (his crappy movement-slowing charge heal) and people don't find that fun, that's a design flaw. If a hero has a hitbox the size of a Tank and the HP of a squishy, that's probably a design flaw. Don't get me wrong, props to the devs for trying something different, we have a pan femme hero with controversial high util abilities, they took a lot of risks and I love that. But he really needed the QOL fixes he's thankfully getting next week, at least to make him viable for most players.
In my games, he only works with communication. As a tank main i usually tell my weaver to only pull me if absolutely necessary and every time it’s been actually helpful. And then there’s the weavers who pull me out as soon as a team fight starts. Please, anyone who wants to play life weaver, if you want to pull a tank please please please do not interrupt a play or contesting a point and you’ll win games
I’m only playing OW cuz Paladins got discontinued on the Switch and I’m so glad I played Lifeweaver as my first champion cuz he is EVERYTHING I want in a self-insert. He’s a pansexual asiatical man like me who wants to heal the earth with his intellect and compassion. GaaAy and I love it. I mained Ying in Paladins, a Chinese genie who healed with a bronze mirror and summoned copies of herself that healed and with which she could swap places, giving her the ability to reach places most champs can’t like Petal Platform can do. Her Ult is a full-team that would heal no matter their distance and she could then teleport to those teammates she had just healed kinda like how she can teleport to her clones. I really miss Paladins but playing LW is pretty fun. I played WoW for years as a disc priest and a resto Druid so his life grip and tree of life are just…very me.
Other than killing or confusing your teammates, you can also lose the game in one action. I've had several occasions where I was running to the objective to trigger the overtime for my team, and got pulled back by the lifeweaver who wanted to save me from dying, resulting in instant loss. It's hard to play as and with lifeweaver when there's a poor team communication and it can actually ruin games.
I agree I’ve been life gripped multiple times which saved my life of was a good repo BUT when I’m playing ball and used to grabbing med packs cause I’m fast, swinging around because I have +500hp at a button press, have an ult that relies on diving INTO the enemy’s and a pile drive, please DONT GRAB ME, it’s hard because it’s hard for the weaver to know if I have shield, or will actually die but it’s a tough pick without coordination
honestly all he needed was the rework to his controls. maybe removing the petal hitboxes, otherwise he was fine. i mean, personally i had no problems with his controls, rebinding him made it flow easily, but i get its a bit too complex and could be made a bit easier. he didn't need buffs though. although the buffs he IS getting seem to be minor, and i can accept those if they decide to keep his petal hitboxes. from my experience, petal platform is best used selfishly and immediately and not placing it down in anticipation for something to happen, not only is it harder for allies to accidentally use it, its also a LOT less predictable to suddenly rise up from the ground. if you place it down, enemies will expect you to rise up, so they will immediately start tracking you upwards, but if its suddenly placed under, they have no time to react and will miss shots. and you have it ready for clutch saves for allies. if you want your allies to use it, fling it in front of them, and their brains will realize "huh, i want to use this platform!". its tempting to place them down since the cd starts immidiately, but generally those 10 seconds without your-lets be real-only self defense ability turns you into an easy kill. especially when your enemy/allies end up lifting it up so you cant use it.
I've had fun playing lifeweaver and I don't totally mind the weapon swapping but hus huge hitbox gets him killed. Also every time I'm against a ramatra he punches through the petal platform to get me I don't know if he can pierce it or it's just my big hitbox
I like switching weapons feels good and satisfying to me and love the charge heal I just wish they gave him a passive that would reduce the charge rate or set the base charge rate for the heal at 20 instead of 10 5 stacks, 2 each stack and at full stacks from healing you get to use your dash for free being able to dash twice if ability is already on could it will not reset will wait until cooldown to use dash for free then again
I love this statement : “if you pick life weaver, you’ll probably get flamed for your poor stats, because he doesn’t do a lot of damage, he doesn’t do a lot of healing… but you know what? Fuck that. Because the only stat you need is winning the game.” 😂 spot on.
Kind of by the sound of it for Lifeweaver to work in bronze-plat the lifeweaver player needs to be the best player on the team and direct the fight, but if they're not then they just end up being weaker support than any other choice. Not exactly great design imo.
I would agree. I’ve had a lot of fun playing him and I’ve had a lot of teammates thanking me as well. He has my highest win rate (besides bap) in the support category. I still have decent healing stats. That tree really pads that stat lol
Right? I still don't know where these people are getting the low healing from. My tree is like 1/4 of the healing he does and it's usually up every other fight because he heals so much. He can't team heal very well, but when you're balancing keeping people out of danger and with his platform and pull, it's super easy to triage through a fight. Plus his dash every five seconds is 25 healing.
Omg I finally found someone who explains perfectly why I find him so good and fun! The ability to actually fully play as a support and not just a healer. Tho I find it easier if he is played together with a main healer instead of a secondary one cos the healing won't be enough usually. I tried him in comps tho it usually isn't enough healing even with a main healer :/
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Love seeing him pull the tank in to defend him like an attack dog he just unleashed on an intruder lmao
Honestly, probably the best part of the video/ his kit.
Dude pulled a fucking rein to duel a widow. I'm still laughing holy shit.
Tank I choose you
I felt the exact same way as you. I kept putting platforms for my team, only for them to ignore it or waste it. Funnily enough, I had a game where the ENEMY Cassidy took MY platform, and used it to set up a high noon. I was so tilted when I saw that. Why couldn’t I get a guy like that on MY team?
So, the secret to success is to just yoink the tank and not try to use petal. Understood. Thanks for the vid. I’m tired of hearing so many other content creators just shit talk him rather than even try to understand how to play him. Love your content and what you bring to the Overwatch community.
I baited an enemy Cassidy into doing it which put him out if position when I broke it and he dropped behind the wall. Comical 😂😂😂
Been doing the same, it's even more funny when you flank then pull the tank directly to your victim hahhahahaah
Remember you can hit F to cancel the platform, was so funny to watch a cass try to high noon on my platform just to stare at a wall when i cancelled it
That's only for low elo in higher elos it is perfectly viable to use petal. In loerw elos you should only use it on yourself until your allies actually want to use it since you can use it to save someone.
This is the take the community needs to see. A true battlefield controller. A support, not a healer. With refinement LW will be a game-changer for sure. Can't wait for ranked play.
The problem is that the pacing of a game makes good positioning almost always outweigh Lifeweaver's use. He makes rotations quicker which can be useful at times, but is repositioning quicker really that useful when you could have more sustain, a biotic grenade, suzu, more consistent damage, etc.?
I don't think it is.
As far as the whole "You'll enable your team like a chess master!" No, you won't. You won't always get to play in the back and enable your team if the enemies are focused on putting Lifeweaver himself into the ground. You can't enable your team when you're dead. There are heroes that have too many variables going on - that is, more complexity. But that complexity doesn't make the hero good. It makes them great when the variables all align, but otherwise, you're going to be hard punished for the pick and feel like you're doing nothing.
@@pindy6109 I agree, he’s not a first pick for really any comp right now. I’d argue LW’s value is higher in metal ranks (where I’m at), especially since dive comps are less common and less effective. Supports typically see the battlefield better and when paired with a main healer, LW could put DPS into positions they either didn’t know or think about rotating to. I’m thinking something like Gibraltar, giving less mobile DPS access to high ground. Rapidly repositioning a bastion, soldier, or other dps with limited vertical mobility could be clutch. Again this is all theory for another 24 hours, but ultimately I’m just saying I don’t think LW is dead in the water as a character, especially down in the metal trenches lol.
been maining lifeweaver since he dropped in qp, absolutely love the hero and he is 100% underrated. His healing when positioned correctly is quite potent as well. Most i've had in a single game was 16k. He's nuts!
Yea, he can't out-heal direct focus fire but why should he? Plus I think people don't realize how powerful healing that never misses is, especially at the ranges it can go. It is kind of like Ana heals, at a slower fire rate, but never misses, that's still pretty strong.
@@LilTuba 100% a flex healer, his kit is more useful than his healing for sure
Exactly! I think he's fine, especially when he's in the right position and doing a good job being aware of where everyone else is. I've been getting a lot more endorsements from playing a decent support in Lifeweaver than I have with other supports too.
Yeah I had games the other day where our Lifeweaver was just pumpin way more heals and amazing lifegrip saves than our Ana and Mercy. In one game at Esperanza, our Ana gave up on healing and instead pumped in dmg XD because Lifeweaver here was so good.
I’m a lw main. I have over 60 hours in season 4 and over 20 hours in season 5 as of now. He is absolutely underrated. The most healing I’ve done with lw is 32k healing. It was a match of 32k heals and 4k damage I believe.
Thank you SVB. Your opinion was refreshing and really appreciate your perspective. Keep up the great work and offering positivity when there is a lot of downers at the moment
For real, so many streamers are shitting on the game right now and it’s really depressing cause I feel the game is still incredibly fun
LW sucks
@@ofimportance5458junkrat main
I was so excited when I saw his moveset for exactly the reasons you said. He was playing god and was so unique controlling position as his main job. Amazing video! I was shocked when people said he was really bad I bet with the buffs he’s gonna be decent to most and absolutely busted in the right hands.
4:20 That sounded like the lifeweaver character himself
5:44 Blizzard should let lifegrip do an ult animation cancel so the ult doesnt get messed up in my opinion
10:33 Yeah, lifeweaver said that our specialty lyes in our uniqueness and people honestly dont like unique, its underrated
This is why I liked the old ow1 Zarya. You used to make plays, save lives and enable teammates with your bubbles. Bubbling a low hp ulting mccree, ulting pharah, or a genji blade as he goes into cc were some of those make or break moments that won you entire fights. It was always great saving a support or dps getting dove and hearing them thank you while you beam their aggressor. Not only that, but could get super strong off your bubble plays and beam their backline and it just felt great getting rewarded for making good plays with your bubbles.
Now in ow2 it seems most optimal to bubble self mostly and you can't rely on rein shield hopping anymore for easy charge, it feels like the things that made Zarya fun to play for me were gone. All those clutch saves, ult enables, and tank synergy has become double bubble yourself for energy then beam. Much simpler and dumbed down gameplay because you didn't have to think when to use your bubbles and who to save them for anymore.
Bro I got saved by life weaver a dozen times in quick play yesterday. His kit is really good if the player is good. I don't want to play him, but I can appreciate getting saved by a well timed pull. I got rescued from a bastion ult and he pulled me on his platform , I said thank you and he did his little emote. I appreciated it very much
If lucio were to come out now, people would say the same thing
Facts lol
Which is ironic because Lucio does similar healing according to ML7s numbers in a recent video.
No because Lucio has a place. He has a speed boost, his wall has a curve but isn’t complex. He doesn’t have a garbage shift shoot/heal ability.
4:15 the "i stopped coordinating and just did it my way" saved me so much headache in quick play i stg. i had never gotten supper frustrated in QP before, but expecting my teammates to coordinate with my petals was driving me insane lol
this was super interesting and made me so excited as a hardstuck silver support main who constantly watches their team die because i cant out heal the damage
Are you gonna do an update based on his new reworks? Thanks for taking the time to thoroughly explain your experiences - good and bad!
I knew this hero was perfect for me the moment I saw the trailer. I love defensive kits, and thinking outside the box, and being able to do crazy stuff when you have comms is down my alley. I really hope Blizzard makes more heros like this, and drown out the people who complain that every new idea is bad because it isn't the status quo.
Idk why people are always wanting something new and cool, and when it happens, they just complain. They could drop Ana 2.0 and they'd still say the hero is op or bad. Its not just the usual click bait takes that content creators do either, most player just seems to say a hero is bad if it doesn't 0-100 heal in one button or takes more that just clicking on someone to be effective, and when the hero is that, everyone complains how OP it is.
I'd rather have weak heros with fun and interesting kits than walking stats
Honestly couldn't agree more with this. Lifeweaver is VERY underrated. I can understand him not getting much play or being misunderstood in lower ranks; however, in higher play (with some solid tactics) Lifeweaver can enable his team in a lot of ways. On top of him having some incredible versatility he is all around an absolute BLAST to play! I look forward to seeing how they rework him in the future (because it is inevitable) and hope that they don't change too much from his base now. A little more damage wouldn't hurt imo; but that's just me :)
I said since the day he was revealed that this was going to be the proper way to play him. Get dove, well meet my bodyguard Reinhardt (life grips Rein) diver flattened, someone is feeding or just got slept/anti NOT MY TEAMMATE. Once his buffs go live I think he will be even better, after I knew they were going to buff/change him I said I would just wait so that I didn't get too used to how he was already designed and or being played. Always love your content SVB
this was my initial reaction too. his strenght is in his play making. and its super fun
Man, I agree 100%. Ive been having an unbelievably fun time with him, and while i do agree with the community that some aspects still didnt quite feel right (the slow while charging heal, for example), i think the overreacting because of raw damage and healing stats is a little silly for a character that can quite literally fundamentally change how you play certain matchups, even generally bad ones. Thank you for the refreshing perspective and the dedication and patience im sure it took to make this "bottom tier trash" work
I really enjoy your videos.
It was around day 3 of release of Lifeweaver I really understood like you did and was having the most fun since Moira’s launch lol.
I watched your Junker Queen video the other day first and omg your tips made such a difference when playing her!
I have been one-tricking LW and, even if I am not as good as you are, I have the same feeling about this hero.
Sometimes, mate were flaming them when they don't know I saved them tho. I clearly remember that Hanzo that flame me for pulling him because he didn't saw the Reaper that was tping behind him.
3:58 this is the reason y he is considered bad by the most (people don't play as team) if u actually add him into a team that speaks and plays TOGETHER then his kit will allow him to be great at (as the role called) SUPPORTING
Apply saying "PogChamp!" makes me laugh so hard it hurts my stomach
I think this is my favorite OW content on youtube.
Random aside, I want to go on a one-person campaign to replace the words "content creator" with a respectable, existing word for the same idea: "producer".
But on topic, you make Lifeweaver look like a lot of fun! Quality content production, as always!
Great content. Not sure lifeweaver is any good but glad to see you had some success and fun playing him SVB!
I really love ur videos! Ive been binge watching a little bit since I’m ill. Ur videos are very well produced! Life weaver seems super cool I’m excited to start playing him :))
After half a year, nothing has changed
I love this experiment and this video simply because there was no toxicity. I don’t want to play games just to get complaints and flames, which happens in all your other videos, so this felt reaaaaally refreshing!
When lifeweaver came out I just thought to myself:" wait a minute, can't everything lifeweaver does also be done by sym given you have the right coordination?" So i started playing sym with a 3 stack and damn she is so underrated. At first it was hard to coordinate my group to work properly with the tp but as we went on we realized that with sym you can have anything from lifegrip to backline deleting plays wether by yourself (which sym can do but this is not the true strength of sym) or with others. That is why i think sym is super slept on and you should try her out. Communication with your group is a skill like any other and if you have that sym is the hero to make it work
Yes that’s why life grip is good because it’s forced, teams are too stupid to use teleports that you send out for them to escape with lol
Sym technically has the strongest kamehameha the game at 180 dps on full charge (Zarya 170, Moira 140), that hero is all about timing, which makes her immensely situational. Kudos if you are making her work :)
3:55 thats why with lifeweaver i only save my friends and if i have a chance i will try to save other teammates but if they are braindead i will just give up on them
I think it's entertaining that Lifeweaver is pretty much just a "You're not doing it right so I'll do it for you" Type character, never thought about it that way- thanks for the fresh perspective!
Do you remember the scene in the Firefly movie where our heroes had The rivers chased them bad guys home planet? That's the idea I got when you dragged the tanks to the high ground where they need to be
"your tank is going to be fighting his inner demons" lmaoo
If I hear any streamers complain about how he was always strong and "why did we buff lw" in about 3 months I will cite this video
People keep looking at Lifeweaver as a heal-bot instead of as a support. He's not supposed to be a heal-bot or a hard DPS support. He's supposed to be support.
His buff is gonna make him so broken. I've been enjoying the live chess game. He does so much healing from saving people from the brink and healing them up. I play in masters to gm quickplay on console and he's been a blast.
Credit to the randoms you got footage of, most of them got pulled and immediately went to work where they landed. Like the sigma at 5:13 "a genji? on my support? hell naw." or the hog at 4:47 "oh cool i guess we fight here now?"
Literally the only content creator I’ve seen not trash talk Lifeweaver is ML7. Thank you for at least giving him a chance compared to most content creators.
Sigma would be interesting to see usually it has a high skill ceiling with his ultimate and primary. Since he lost his combo it should be interesting to see how you would play with him.
YESS i wish he would make a video on sigma
Love these videos! I'm really looking forward to LW's reworks and buffs coming this week. It's nice to hear someone have a more nuanced/experienced take rather than constantly hearing that he's useless, broken, or whatever. But, as you said, I think it does really overshadow the fact that we got a new interesting hero to play with.
I’m happy to see this video.
I struggled to get used to him day 1 and 2 of playing him, but quickly could recognize the potential. And I knew he wasn’t bad.. I was just bad at him. I’m glad to see you and ML7 working to figure out all that he can do 👍 ❤great work. Thanks for the vid
This series is fantastic. Always equally educational and entertaining. Always positive without veering into toxic positivity.
I really hope you get around to Symmetra one day. I poured so many hour into her in Overwatch 1 that she's still listed as my most played hero but I feel like I have no clue what I'm doing with the current iteration.
Thank you SVB this is the very thing and energy the community needs. This is probably my favorite lifeweaver video I've seen and I too also think he's such a high IQ character that innately most of the gamers out there just won't understand his potential. You rock and love the ML7 duo 😅
Thank you so much for this! I am glad someone else sees him as a sleeper pick. I am planning on maining him and he is so much fun. I have gotten good results after pulling my tank who goes too deep so they learn 'yo bro you need to stay with the team'. I can't wait until he comes into comp.
These videos are so much fun to watch! :D
I've always felt (diamond 2 atm) that as a support I always had better game sense than most of my tanks. The idea that I can actually leverage that knowledge to affect games in real time by yoinking folks into a more net positive situation sounds fkn amazing 💯
That’s cause you do. The tank only sees the enemy and maybe 1 or two dps right near him. He doesn’t know where his supports are at all times. He must rely on pins and death notifications to know what’s happening in the backline. As a support you got a much cleaner picture of where everyone is on your team.
I genuinely have not had as much fun playing a new Support hero like this since Moira's release in 2017
He is definitely not what OW players are used to getting which is why it feels like he's not a great fit, we're used to our Supports having good enough damage (more so if you can aim) good healing (also if you can aim sometimes) and some kind of crazy skill you can throw out that gets wild value like lamp, bio nade, suzu, discord
It sucks that a vast majority of Overwatch will only ever see Support as "Big healing done number = Support is doing well" When really I have played multiple Mercy/Ana/Moira/Kiriko games I get like insane 10k plus sometimes 15k plus healing done in an UNRANKED 10 minute game and still lose.
I already am honing in on 24 hours on Lifeweaver and it has not been boring a single minute of the way. Both with my friends and in solo. You really don't feel the low healing or damage when you can pull Ramattra into the backline and he receives a Nano Boost as he presses Annihilation and you watch 5 people all shit themselves at once.
No support OW devs have ever made can give me that much dopamine at once from pressing one button
That healing point is so true. People forget that high healing numbers just means one team is either feeding more or one team isn't finishing kills. Then you get the toxic players talking about damage, their damag and all they are doing is feeding the enemy support ultimates. People should focus more on assists, since that's the stat that gets glossed over when a team is really working together.
Fun is not the opposite of weak. But yes I agree I don't think he is as bad as people say he is. He will grow more and more in power as the community learns how to play as and with him.
lol, wifeleaver sitting here with 40 or even low winrate right now, in gm it's like 29 percent
A phrase I have said multiple times during solo queue with Lifeweaver.
"That's it, I'm getting the gay baby leash."
Lifeweaver brought me back to the game simply for how fun & unique he is :) glad you're enjoying him!
The first thing I do when LifeWeaver plataforms me, is getting down immediately!
Wtf, man?! There’s just too much in my plate to add another POV
"go sigma GO" bro is playing prokemon, let me on that stuff rn 💀
As a reaper main, for the first few weeks I was very annoyed with life weavers always pulling me out when I was making a play or going in hard while I still had my fade to get out, but lately I have had a lot of life weavers watching over me, letting me make plays and pulling me when I needed it most, or putting the tree near my ult so I didn't die. I quite enjoy seeing a lifeweaver on my team now because It allows me to be a more aggressive reaper with less risk if I make a mistake. And as always. Supports are always MVP'S in my games, because without them I wouldn't be able to do what I do.
oh i remember that name you were a Lifeweaver on Route 66 when i was rein. that pulls were amazing, that said im also not a tank player and went in like a clown but it ended up in showing dominance to the other team :D
Yeah the number of times I got saved by the life grip man, I get teary eyes XD.
Like those times I played Ram/Doomfist and got lifegrip like I was given Tracer's recall is so good. As a Tracer main I don't even have to use recall a whole lot I don't have to ask for help! As a Tracer main I'm so gonna ride hard and sweaty on Lifeweaver wait wha?
Lifeweaver player: huh?
Its the same situation as with yuumi in league of legends. People didnt understand how to play her and with her cause she was different to all the other champs. People immediately turn to hate things they dont understand.
Great content, I like your general energy and love of the game.
I do respect that you did not put ml7 in the title😂. Great video! Love the format! Across all these hero vids
100% that others don’t know how to position. Defending 2nd point of Gibraltar, I kept pulling my Orisa and Soldier up on the ship. Idk if they’d ever been there before bc they were so excited to be there. It was cute to see my Starsheep Orisa jumping in place as we waited for grip to be off cool down.
Enemy widow HATED us since she couldn’t have a clean shot.
Bro, I'm a high Dimond support, I tried weaver for the first time yesterday, fuck man he's hilarious fun, 15k heals 19 kills 0 deaths, he's a sleeper for sure, and the most fun outside dpsyatta I've had in a long time!!! Great vid as always brother!!
thank you for this video! i main lifeweaver now because playing him has been the most fun i've ever had playing overwatch. it makes me sad how much backlash i see over a hero i love to play and also love the characterization of.
Finally someone said it. The community will complain until the hero gets buffed straight to S-tier. he's already frickin amazing and so survivable.
THE THUMBNAIL 🤣🤣🤣
I watched IMMEDIATELY for that lol
I love how now he’s been buffed to all hell
I absolutely loved using him before the buff even so now he’s pretty decent with being able to interchange heals and damage more easily.
i’ve only really started out playing liveweaver (i have about 12h on record) and i am enjoying it so much. especially since they changed the controls (which made him much less clunky) and i’ve been getting many thank yous for my pulls and actually got a ton of healing done. in one game i even did more heals than our mercy 😅 if you play him in a certain way you can fully out-heal a non-burst healer by miles
Hey, 2024 here, I main Lifeweaver, and have him at a 52% Winrate in Comp and Unranked! I have so much fun, and his healing is so versatile.
Cheers to the future of LW!
LW became one of my favorite heroes to play!
12:03 i feel so called out right now.
funny enough, it’s always the cas players whose super grateful for saving them i find
10:46 That sleepy Pharah is every kid dream
Anyway base of this video it makes me hype up.. If only I have a device to play, maybe I could be a good duo with my sister since I love aggressive enter while my sister love play support.. LW grip can help a lot
I'm a Moira main, but stuck in bronze despite often getting between 15 and 20k heals- i'd love to see u do a video on her
I haven't had the chance to play the hero outside of the practice range but he seems quite powerful. Being able to swap from doing dps and healing and not having to reload as long as you spend enough time doing the other is great. You just have to get used to the swapping which feels awkward on controller. He has such 3d playmaking potential.
Also played with a lifeweaver earlier as Brig and everytime he was getting pressured, I got yoinked to kill a diver. Hey 😊 we steamrolled them.
9:54 The enemy Lifeweaver, did indeeed, and in fact, get clipped LOL. Nice alternative take on LW. I knew he wasn't completely useless, but compared to other healers, he just needs more cerebral capacity (I mean, four abilities + two arms doesn't tell you that enough?)
We saw this with Anduin in Heroes of the Storm as well, pulls gets OP real quick once people know how to use it, Lifeweaver doesn't need big heal numbers if you just pull people to safety.
20second cd.. 1 save every 20seconds??
I've had a Sigma quit the game as soon as I pulled him, even though he was surrounded and had enough health to be killed by melee. Aside from that I haven't had any negative interactions when playing as LW. Most people seem to like getting pulled away if they're outnumbered and dying.
"Weak" is relative, it doesn't mean unplayable, it's compared to the other supports. We all know the easiest strat to climbing out of the metal ranks is to get kills yourself and doing just enough healing. Positioning your teammates is fun and all... If they do something with it. Unfortunately this often doesn't work in solo-que, but it was always obvious that he'd be good in coordinated play, with some gimmicky strats. Is that a problem?... Well If OW had several more supports it wouldn't be, but when the roster is small, and with 5v5... eh... Honestly it's made the season kinda anti-climactic, the hype we had for Kiriko just isn't there.
I think most were saying he felt clunky, but some conflate a hero not feeling fun to them with being weak. You didn't say "clunky" when describing his platform being frequently wasted, but that's exactly what it is.
Whether you like the hero or not, if 90% of your solo-que teammates waste your cooldown, either because they don't notice it or it breaks the normal flow of the game, that's a design flaw.
If a hero needs to spend most of their time performing the least interesting part of their kit (his crappy movement-slowing charge heal) and people don't find that fun, that's a design flaw.
If a hero has a hitbox the size of a Tank and the HP of a squishy, that's probably a design flaw.
Don't get me wrong, props to the devs for trying something different, we have a pan femme hero with controversial high util abilities, they took a lot of risks and I love that. But he really needed the QOL fixes he's thankfully getting next week, at least to make him viable for most players.
I'm enjoying these a lot. Thanks man
In my games, he only works with communication. As a tank main i usually tell my weaver to only pull me if absolutely necessary and every time it’s been actually helpful. And then there’s the weavers who pull me out as soon as a team fight starts. Please, anyone who wants to play life weaver, if you want to pull a tank please please please do not interrupt a play or contesting a point and you’ll win games
Wild that they just put a ffxiv healer in overwatch lmao, its so cool seeing rescue being used in an even faster environment
I totally agree with you. He feels so fun and his potential for legit “Support” is huge
I’m only playing OW cuz Paladins got discontinued on the Switch and I’m so glad I played Lifeweaver as my first champion cuz he is EVERYTHING I want in a self-insert. He’s a pansexual asiatical man like me who wants to heal the earth with his intellect and compassion. GaaAy and I love it. I mained Ying in Paladins, a Chinese genie who healed with a bronze mirror and summoned copies of herself that healed and with which she could swap places, giving her the ability to reach places most champs can’t like Petal Platform can do. Her Ult is a full-team that would heal no matter their distance and she could then teleport to those teammates she had just healed kinda like how she can teleport to her clones. I really miss Paladins but playing LW is pretty fun. I played WoW for years as a disc priest and a resto Druid so his life grip and tree of life are just…very me.
Other than killing or confusing your teammates, you can also lose the game in one action. I've had several occasions where I was running to the objective to trigger the overtime for my team, and got pulled back by the lifeweaver who wanted to save me from dying, resulting in instant loss.
It's hard to play as and with lifeweaver when there's a poor team communication and it can actually ruin games.
Yeah his kit is super awesome and unique I do believe he only requires minor tweaks to become super useful support
Lifeweaver suddenly becomes a Pokémon trainer
I really hope the new rework doesn’t completely erase his uniqueness and then he just feels like the other characters.
lifeweaver is all about thinking about what you should do
I agree I’ve been life gripped multiple times which saved my life of was a good repo BUT when I’m playing ball and used to grabbing med packs cause I’m fast, swinging around because I have +500hp at a button press, have an ult that relies on diving INTO the enemy’s and a pile drive, please DONT GRAB ME, it’s hard because it’s hard for the weaver to know if I have shield, or will actually die but it’s a tough pick without coordination
next april fools event they need to make lifeweaver say get over here! when he uses grab
honestly all he needed was the rework to his controls. maybe removing the petal hitboxes, otherwise he was fine.
i mean, personally i had no problems with his controls, rebinding him made it flow easily, but i get its a bit too complex and could be made a bit easier. he didn't need buffs though. although the buffs he IS getting seem to be minor, and i can accept those if they decide to keep his petal hitboxes.
from my experience, petal platform is best used selfishly and immediately and not placing it down in anticipation for something to happen, not only is it harder for allies to accidentally use it, its also a LOT less predictable to suddenly rise up from the ground. if you place it down, enemies will expect you to rise up, so they will immediately start tracking you upwards, but if its suddenly placed under, they have no time to react and will miss shots. and you have it ready for clutch saves for allies. if you want your allies to use it, fling it in front of them, and their brains will realize "huh, i want to use this platform!". its tempting to place them down since the cd starts immidiately, but generally those 10 seconds without your-lets be real-only self defense ability turns you into an easy kill. especially when your enemy/allies end up lifting it up so you cant use it.
I have the same thoughts : PUT THE TANK IN TO POSITION TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ("Let other push car" thing)
I've had fun playing lifeweaver and I don't totally mind the weapon swapping but hus huge hitbox gets him killed. Also every time I'm against a ramatra he punches through the petal platform to get me I don't know if he can pierce it or it's just my big hitbox
I like switching weapons feels good and satisfying to me and love the charge heal
I just wish they gave him a passive that would reduce the charge rate or set the base charge rate for the heal at 20 instead of 10
5 stacks, 2 each stack and at full stacks from healing you get to use your dash for free being able to dash twice if ability is already on could it will not reset will wait until cooldown to use dash for free then again
I love this statement : “if you pick life weaver, you’ll probably get flamed for your poor stats, because he doesn’t do a lot of damage, he doesn’t do a lot of healing… but you know what? Fuck that. Because the only stat you need is winning the game.” 😂 spot on.
Kind of by the sound of it for Lifeweaver to work in bronze-plat the lifeweaver player needs to be the best player on the team and direct the fight, but if they're not then they just end up being weaker support than any other choice. Not exactly great design imo.
I would agree. I’ve had a lot of fun playing him and I’ve had a lot of teammates thanking me as well. He has my highest win rate (besides bap) in the support category. I still have decent healing stats. That tree really pads that stat lol
Right? I still don't know where these people are getting the low healing from. My tree is like 1/4 of the healing he does and it's usually up every other fight because he heals so much. He can't team heal very well, but when you're balancing keeping people out of danger and with his platform and pull, it's super easy to triage through a fight. Plus his dash every five seconds is 25 healing.
Hes so much fun after being buffed, my 10k healing per ten is proof of that
Omg I finally found someone who explains perfectly why I find him so good and fun! The ability to actually fully play as a support and not just a healer. Tho I find it easier if he is played together with a main healer instead of a secondary one cos the healing won't be enough usually. I tried him in comps tho it usually isn't enough healing even with a main healer :/
i love him so much hes my main now and I tell my friends to try the same "dont ask your team just do it"
Ever thought about you have to be pretty smart in OW to have Impact on liveweaver? Hes gonna be garage in anything below master/dia
The Lucio society has taken notice.