Scag 30" Walk Behind Mower Review SFC30
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- A full review of the new Scag 30" Walk Behind Mower SFC30!
Daniel Industries and Augusta lawn care of Corpus Christi, TX and Rockport, TX take this new mower out for some testing in the field!
Scag 30" SFC30
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Augusta Lawn Care of Corpus Christi, TX
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Daniel Industries Rockport, TX
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Lightweight is good and what did I use it for it’s a lawnmower th-cam.com/users/postUgkxTPN04aT-Qdjr_KS3ql7ng8wnU3wwsCqk also recommend Yes it is lightweight so hence not as robust as our old one. But if you take care it does the job really well.
I'd probably buy one just to cut our home yard. Our Gardenway 33 walk behind lasted 20 years. I just wish these commercial walk behinds didn't approach the price of a residential zero turn.
I would be happy to sell you mine proudly for only 1600
Very great video. Happy to say we've addressed some of those cons and will continue to fine tune the SFC30 so we can get to that game changer level.
Keep up the great work. We love our Scags. We always say when it rains in Texas it’s good for Scag!
Scag, I’d like to see how well this one stripes on cool season grass.
@@lcwservice3247 Always great to hear the words "It's raining in Texas!"
@@pagodad2036 In those northern grasses, we trust you will be impressed. We've seen a few other videos on TH-cam from customer in those grass types laying the type of stripe you'd expect from a Scag.
@@ScagPowerEquipment When will these be generally available?
This is an excellent video brother. I'd love to get one of these in my own hands just to see how they do for myself, as I know every yard and every business does things a little differently of course. But I feel like the price and its weight would really set me back for my needs but who knows it could surprise me. Great video again you touch some excellent points that I agree with 💪
Thanks for the comment. Price and weight are 2 major factors when looking at this mower.
Candid and honest review. Much appreciated! ::subscribed::
Great review, thank you !
Thanks Jeff
Great review!
I just looked at new one today and Scag definitely didn’t reroute the cables that get pinched in the rear discharge chute. You still need to zip tie them out of the way.
Since the cut height works off one lever, are you able to add rake to the blade(s). While the Exmark takes extra time to change cut height, having the ability to put the front of the deck lower than the back, keeping front and back even or having the front higher than the back adds a lot of versatility to mowing different types of grass and wet or dry conditions.
You cannot but we don't ever do that do it doesn't effect our workflow.
Great review
Great review.
Appreciate it
scag by far the best you can get .top of the line mowers been mowing with the same scag for 10 years n its still cutting like the day I got it . it's scag or nothing........
I run a prototype at my work, it's weight is very tiring around turns. I find it often bogging down and stalling out or scalping. The drive tires also need more traction.
Had a lawn business for close to 30 years. Mostly commercial and very large residential estates. As far as 36" mowers, I started out with ex-marks...within 5-6 years, converted all to Scags. Scags are built for abuse, ex-marks are made from pop-cans...
I will add this, if you do buy the Scag, familiarize yourself with the location of the zirc fittings, and the proper greasing schedule.
Great info. Thanks for the contribution.
How good is this , I’m looking for 30 in commercial mower do you recommend it?
Was that speed adjustment with the two nuts done at the top bar only or did you also have to go down into the transmission? Thanks for the video.
Great mower..but I have had the blade cable mount break at the bend..fatigued metal...a week later, the blade cable broke inside the sheath.
Both incidents happened 2 weeks after purchase here in Tulsa....my mower distributer replaced both parts next day under warranty....But..dont mess with adjusting the blade cable. It's set from the factory.
Also, I was given the castor wheel kit because it was suppose to have been on the promotional unit.
I highly recommend installing the castor wheel kit...picking the unit up and turning the mower gets old..quick .
Scag has already been notified of the cable issues and bends in the cables...
Thank you for this information 😎
My pleasure
@@lcwservice3247 😎👍
What's your take on cutting on/off the field line ?
Great scalp brother
So does the SFC30 have a differential, seems like my new SFC30 will not steer unless I completely let off the self propel?
I just bought a scag 30 a few days ago brand new with the caster wheels. I cannot get the deck height to adjust. Is there something the dealer needs take off the free the handle up ? It doesn't move .
Looking to buy one soon!
I watched another video yesterday of a lawn guy using a timemaster bagging a backyard in wet conditions.He made a point of saying,with wet grass in bagger,mower weighs in at around 200 pounds and leaves ruts in damp lawns.I would imagine this scag sinking down to the deck,plus scalping in the process.The weight could be a deal breaker
-Do you think caster type wheels in the front will help with turning.
-How about bigger wheels in the back?
Deffo
I've got one of these and the dang clutch went out in 25 hours and my dealer has about 5 others in the same hour range in for work. My dealer has had it for 2 weeks and they are having trouble getting parts!
Parts are a bit of an issue right now with most going to new units I've heard.
I like that someone built a non-timed deck in this class. It seems heavy-duty. From what I see, I'll wait for Version 2.
1. It needs a separate variable speed lever that can be adjusted separately from the engagement lever.
2. The bagger attachment design seems like a deal breaker.
3. The controls seems not the best ergonomic design - the controls should be to the outside of the handles to expedite turnarounds.
1. I can agree that would be nice 2. It is a nightmare but they have already made it better on release models 3. I like the ergonomics
When did this term Walk Behind start. Back in the day it was either Push Mower or Self Propelled.
Walk behind usually refers to 32 inch and above commercial mowers. Push/Self propelled is used in terms of 21 inch homeowner mowed
Great answer! Thanks
Can you tell us how deep the deck is please? Also hows it go pulling it backwards up stairs??
backwards upstairs? lol better call a couple of friends over
Would you say this is a step up from the Exmark 30" X series? Great video
I would say they are similar units but we will be phasing out exmarks out for these as it comes time to replace them.
NO, definitely NOT a step up. Just get a Huge mower and cutoff the transmission belt and there you have the same thing.
can you fold the handle bars all the way over the front to make it more compact?
You cannot I don't believe
I'm watching the lawn go from green to brown as you mow it. New to the game, how can that be fixed?
Cut higher, he is cutting too short.
I was looking at a Toro. Just like a Honda the blades doesn't spin until you engage them. Does this mower allow you to disengage the blades? 🐀🐾
Great video seems like a good machine I go thru those blue belts on the toros like crazy
This scag will kill you trying to shove it around. It weighs 60 pounds more than the toro 30 inch. BAD BAD decision on my part.
@@kenmagness9018 really? I didn’t know that. Thank you for sharing
@@b20em1 Uh, maybe you already knew. Sorry for bothering you. I'll delete it.
Just wondering, what makes the blue belt wear out like crazy? I usually that belt maybe twice in a season.
I run 4 toro 30” turfmaster (well 3 toro and 1 exmark) I go through about 5-6 belts on those the blue ones. And that’s the dealer installing them. So when I saw the scag I was excited but these are already heavy I can’t imagine another 60 lbs
Is it worth switching from Exmark 30s to this unit or are they pretty close to the same?
Its a matter of preference. I wouldn't sell either one to buy the other. But if it was time to replace one in the fleet I would get the Scag.
Just bought one earlier today not disappointed yet only downside is that it’s a little heavy in the back
It is I believe we mentioned that.
The new kohler engine on the toro turf master hdx has a oil drain hose fyi 😅
Glad to hear they should all have one!
Exmark 30 with kohler engine has a oil release hose too
Excellent good to know.
Nice video plus I learned the meaning of the word "ergonomics":
Definition of ergonomics
1: an applied science concerned with designing and arranging things people use so that the people and things interact most efficiently and safely
- called also biotechnology, human engineering, human factors
I have a 2 man crew , would I be better off each of them mowing with one of these mowers or one 48” zero turn ?
48” all day without question. One trimming one mowing
We carry 1 30” push mower and 1 48 vride on all of our 2 man trucks. We find that’s an efficient setup.
Depends on the size and layout of your properties. Sometimes 2 30inch mowers if used right can be faster than a zeroturn. Big open lawns with no tight gates then zeroturn of course.
What's the price range?
Until the pros build a pro machine and stop skimping on cheap plastic parts and brake locking mechanisms that continuously keep failing I don't think I'm going to invest my hard-earned money and just buy a cheaper more and have lower expectations. Thank you for your demo of this video.
Height adjustment pin already bent bad. I’ve got to cut it to get it out. And have to already replace it. About $20 for part
My company purchased the sfc30 Nov '21 and we've had to replace at least 10 clutches, 2 rear tires (rubber detached from plastic rim), and just yesterday the middle of front tire broke and separated. Supposedly Scag is working on a new clutch but does not know when it will come out. Also the rear tire tread is almost bald, already! Would not recommend purchasing this mower.
This or the turfmaster hdx toro with kohler?
It comes down to preference. If you mow a lot of tall grass. 1st time cuts / Cleanup ect the Scag. If its weekly maintenance Toro with Kohler.
If you work in this industry you've gotta be a tough man.
That did make us laugh a little in the office but he isn't lying. As is evident by the amount of new hires that don't make it past lunch the first day.
i was able to try one and just didn't like it or the cut and didn't that signature scag cut i know,they didn't cheap out on this machine and it is solid and built like a tank but heavy and the handle shape makes it a real workout.good motor and not under powered like the toro but heavier than the exmark,in my experience exmark has the best 30'' on the market imo and checks all the boxes with a clean cut,solid build,good engine,good weight and the simplicity makes them easy to repair
Thanks for your opinion on the mower. Should help others make a purchasing decision.
Awesome! Would love to get my hands on this mower when it comes out
We can't wait to get them either!
@Watch Me Mow-I have one you can come and get it today.
It’s basically like the exmark, if you wanna get something better just get the Ferris fw15
Casters on the front wheels would make this machine much easier to turn. If this machine is outfitted with front casters, I’m a buyer. Scag company, any chance of this happening?
I mow small yards here in Florida. I would be a buyer with front casters. I’m 73 and don’t want to wrestle with any mower.
How about a bobcat push mower
How much it costs
Have to be honest, from limited exposure to this machine mind you, the timed blade system mulches far better. This machine discharges great though. We either mulch (90%) or bag. Discharging here in places this mower would be used is a hard sell to customers.
I totally agree with this did you see how far the grass was thrown? Could not use his Mower and that's how the area you'd be cleaning mulched Grass more than your cutting out of the beds
Estoy en Chile a dónde consigo una máquina asi
Military grade? It’s bullet proof???
I'm not sure about the the push mower but your definitely wearing the right shirt. Echo and shindaiwa are the best. Great video I been wanting one of these or a 36 in stander. Also all you self centered meat heads out there piss off these guys work for a living ive gained a little weight my self since my Marine days. Mowing and working 300 hours month dont have the time and energy to work out.
I appreciate the comment Matt. I'm not the smallest guy for sure. It still blows my mind people think because your fat you can't work. They must not be around many construction sites! We run all Echo and love it. #2620T
How long until they make a 21
My guess. Never
The Echo 410x trimmer would be A good video
Okay we will get one together for you.
I want one now lol
So do we!
Should have put casting wheels in front....good video
That would be a nice upgrade. Wonder how it would work with the height adjustment system.
They told us today there will be a front caster wheel kit you can buy separately.
Around 26.9 hrs had a faulty clutch
The exmark looks simpler.
We are not a fan of the exmarks
Just got mine I’m just starting my business and this is my first mower I’m a solo business this is going to be my main mower for now
@@lcwservice3247 Toro 30 inch is a better machine than the scag 30.
Honestly I was thinking about buying this but I’m a homeowner and it kinda expensive.
I know it's hydro but does it have reverse?
Hydro? Hard to find hydro at this price point. It's all belts. Although it does use the General Transmissions MV 702 transmission, which seems to be a reliable unit for delivering torque-based power. So... no hydro, and reverse is your shoulders, lower back and thighs.
@@47f0 I just looked it up on the Scag website. My dealer actually said it was hydro. I'm waiting a while on my decision for a commercial 30. The shorter wheelbase on the Exmark/Toro is more appealing to me. I had a Timemaster for a short time and sold it. Bad engine.
@@tallens5280 - This decision is easy. You should definitely get the Scag SFC 30.
Why? Because you will have the only hydro SFC 30 on the planet, and that's got to be worth something. I'm looking at the SFC 30 manual. Starting on page 38, there's a very nice breakdown of all the parts. Please feel free to download that manual yourself from the Scag website and show me where any of those parts show any hydraulic components at all. If it helps, the breakdown for the rear drive is on page 48. On page 31 is a table of regular maintenance. At 400 hours you're supposed to replace the transmission drive belt. It tells you when to change the oil. It talks about the type of fuel to use. But nowhere does it mention anything about hydraulic fluid.
I'm not sure what you were looking at on the Scag website, but if your dealer insists that the SFC 30 is a hydro machine, he's either not being honest, or he doesn't know his own product. Either one is sufficient to make me look for another dealer.
Looking at the SFC 30, it's clear that Scag tried to scale a commercial elephant down to mouse size. What they ended up with was a very heavy mouse. The SFC 30 looks like it would be pretty great at mowing wide open spaces. But wide open spaces is what you should be using the 48-in zero turn for anyway. You grab a 30-in to get into the smaller places that your big zero turn can't get to, and here's where Scag failed. Nothing about the ergonomics, or the set and run with it speed control, or the sheer weight of 220 lb suggest that Scag even remembered what a 30-in mower's supposed to be used for.
@@47f0 I said I looked it up and yes, I saw that it is belt drive. My dealer is the idiot. Sorry you went to all that trouble for me.
@@tallens5280 - It's not trouble. I work hard to get my money, and I assume you do too. I have a personal grudge against dealers who take people who work hard for their money and feed them bad information to separate them from their money. If it's not deceit on their part, it's ignorance, and either way I'd prefer to spend my money with somebody less deceitful or ignorant.
I say just get the timer master and upgrade the pullies and treat her nice. you'll save a thousand bucks as well.
We use a few of those as well they are much easier on the back but don't cut through the thick stuff as well that for sure.
@@lcwservice3247 I agree with you there. Gotta go slower on thick grass until it's manageable. I used it on some bigger 2-3 acre commercial properties on the side of the highway and the thick overgrown vegetation will bog the machine down. Best to be used on smaller residential properties and leave the big boy machines to the thicker stuff and larger properties.
That mower is far too heavy for wheels that small, plus Scag spindles are junk and Scag has doesn't stand behind their warranty.
Used Scag for years, never had any problems with spindles. Hydro leak once, Scag fixed in one day at no charge.
Scag is the only spindle I have not had to replace. You just have to grease them with quality grease.
I use scag branded spindle grease and have had 4 failures. Scag refused all 4 spindles under warranty and I had to pay for them.
Scag has the best spindles in the industry. I can say that with confidence. Warranty depends on what you did to break it. They wont warranty stuff that is the users fault or wear items.
@@lcwservice3247 Well, it appears you have had far better experiences than I have. My dealer says that Scag only pays for 1 in 20 spindles.
How much
SKAG needs reverse and electric start, bigger wheels on rear.
Dude how low are y’all cutting those lawns jesus I saw dirt from the sky in the first pass😂😂
I’ll just buy two time masters!
The latch breaks a lot I’m on my 3rd latch
I would love to know the estimated price, you are telling everything but that
$2,427 I think it was
@@dslawnlandscapingservices7473 thanks
I believe I mentioned the price in the video. They are around $2200.
Should have gotten the Ferris FW15. 390cc Honda engine.
Extremely heavy good mower tho
Its thick :D
Military grade just means "lowest bidder"
Scags are made by Metalcraft of Mayville in Wisconsion. They are made with the same steel used in CAT Heavy Equipment. I'd do a little more research.
Ouch, "Armed Veteran" burned by a lawn care guy. Gotta sting...
But seriously, at least read about a product before running your mouth.
@@johnfaustus1
Scag 2021 30 inch for sale dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/tls/d/joshua-scag/7357236076.html... brand new 9 hours. Come and get it.
@@kenmagness9018 still available?
@@Jaredbar Yes.
$2,199! How old is this video? 😫
One thing is for me, the price for a Ferris FW-15, is only a few hundred bucks more, and you get a bigger deck, actual hydros, and casters, so it is a game changer over this Scag
We don't have any Ferris dealers within 3 hours of us but those do look nice!
I wouldn't necessarily call $900 a few hundred dollar difference lol. For an extra thousand I better get all those things you mentioned and a little more. The FW15 doesn't get all the best reviews either.
I never heard of "Military grade " steel
You must not have had cheap steel from China yet. You can tell the difference between US steel and China steel for sure.
@ 8:44 This mower is heavy as hell! I had a Toro turfmaster that was lighter than this Scag, and turning it was bit$h! There's no way I'd buy the much heavier Scag 30" SFC30..... NO WAY! ..... I "downgraded" to a much lighter Toro Timemaster, which is very easy to turn.
It isn’t light for sure but it’s not much more heavy then our 30 commercial ex marks and toros. The time master is lighter but it’s a residential unit with less power, a more thin deck and a non commercial transmission. We have used both and sell both. They each of there pros and cons.
I concur with your "downgrade" to the Timemaster. It turns out those "fluff" convenience features for residential use just happen to be pretty convenient if you're pushing one of these units around for six hours. For reference, the SCAG is 220 lbs - the Timemaster is 140. About the only consistent deficiencies of the Timemaster are, you can't go half the day on a tank of gas, and the blade timing belt tension and idle pulleys are weak - upgrade those to the eXmark pulleys ASAP. To be such a "residential" piece of equipment, I see a surprising number of Timemasters on commercial trailers - and looking at their equipment, it's not because they couldn't afford more.
And I haven't seen any Timemasters falling apart because they're lighter - like split decks or bent attachment points - which makes me wonder why heavier is really needed?
The main thing they try to do with commercial equipment is make it idiot and bomb proof - not necessarily better to use. This Scag 30" looks to me as though it would be a pretty good mower for wide open spaces - the kind where you'd be better off on a 48" zero turn, anyway. They lost the whole point of making a smaller mower more usable for smaller spaces.
I'd pass on this and the Exmarks/Toro 30 inch-ers.
Never buy the first gen. Let them work out the problems first.
Very good idea. We learned that with the 7010 Echo blowers.
I think I'm starting to see that. I'll let you know
I'll stick with my Ferris FW15 with the caster wheels. I guess in comparison to comparable Toro models, etc., maybe it would be worth the $$ fir someone. Deal breaker for me is those caster wheels..
Caster wheels are an addon but can be installed
Farris FW15 is a better option in almost every way.
It needs a reverse
How about the clutch get them dirty then do the review they’re breaking down about every 70 hour’s , tires are only lasting about 3 to 4 months to replace will cost you about $200 only for rear tires.
Wasn't impressed with thw wheel selection and height adjust
Sorry to hear. We like the height adjustment.
My thoughts too! Yeah it's a pre production model but the deck is bent already around those adjustment holes along with the adjustment pin. I can only imagine after it is a few months old let alone a year or more.
Military grade means cheapest
Thats one opinion
3k for a push mower. Shits got crazy
Nice mower kinda pricey
Sure is but its in the ball park with other similar units.
Dude is out of breath telling you about this mower, he ain’t using it for sure.
I been mowing yards for 9 years I bought a scag mower one time, if I buy another scag is because there are no other mowers to choose. 👎
The thing is $2500, I think I'll pass.
Just go timemaster
Thats 1 route
Not sure I'm trying to spend $3K on a push mower. If I spend $3K that bad boy better be self propelled.
It is self propelled...
Dude is def not doing any mowing. He’s breathing hard from just talking
lmao. too funny
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For the record I don't work in the field much anymore. I'm busying working on my 7 companies not working in them.
@@lcwservice3247 Hope one of those provides health care and life insurance, because you can "own" 99 companies, but what is the point when you are dead
@@jasonk3038 We provide health, vision, dental, short & long term disability and life insurance for all of our employees. As well as paid vacation, sick time and 5 paid holiday annually. I agree benefits are super important to promoting the company atmosphere we want.
Blow that grass in the street! 🤣
Either toro copied that and called it the turf master or scag copied the turf master from toro
Ridiculous mower. 230 lbs at almost 3K that destroys your workers by the end of a 100 degree day, whether you have the castor model or not. YBravo makes a Gen II 25" with a FJ180 built like a beast ,130lbs at $1400. Believe you-me those hands will prefer extra passes and the agile maneuverability at days end.
I bought a 25inch Ybrovo and I'll say I was really underwhelmed. Does yours multch well in tall grass? Also my motor locked up at 33 hours. The dealership I bought it from is working a trade deal for one of these.
It’s a good not great mulching mower. “Tall grass” does that mean 8in cutting down to 3 in? Then no it doesn’t mulch well. 6in cutting to 4in it does fine Kawasaki Fj 180’s will hydro lock fairly easily if over filled with oil. Pull the spark plug and crank the engine to evacuate the cylinder and of course drain excess oil. But the engine ceasing after 33 hrs is a Kawasaki issue. Scag SP 30 is just to much mower for my application and age Good luck.
@@chriscato5842 I wanted to reply again Sir This morning I spoke with 2 different crews that had Scag 30's on their trailers, one at a stop light and one on the same street i was cutting on. Both saud the same 2 things. The Scag is heavy and that it is A Mulching Beast.
@@gls3894 I appreciate the feed back! It looks like they are not going to warranty my mower so I will not be going for the scag. Looks like I'll be replacing the motor. Hopefully I just got a bad motor to begin with.
It's not $2199 anymore.
Who cares if you like the color, you never buy first year production run of a new machine. It needs caster wheels. Plus it is a walk behind, not a push mower.
Caster wheels are an addon you can purchase and swap out.
@@lcwservice3247 Geezus, Scag really scraped the bottom of the barrel, to get these prototypes reviewed
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@@jasonk3038 Thanks for your contribution to the community. Its invaluable.
@@lcwservice3247 No prob, are you out of breath from typing?
how does this guy work hes outta breath just talking lol
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