2022 Honda Civic; Which Cars of Today Will Be Future Classics? | Talking Cars
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- On this week's episode, we talk about the redesigned 2022 Honda Civic, and share our first impressions on its driving characteristics, styling, and comfort. Ford has announced an all-new small pickup, the Maverick, and we discuss how it might fit into a market dominated by oversized vehicles. We also give a glimpse into our headlight testing at the track, and how halogen lights compare to LEDs. Other topics include why a truck's hood height can pose a risk to pedestrians and drivers of smaller cars; proper oil change intervals for short commutes; whether a new car that sat on a dealer's lot for months may have a risk of 'lot rot;' if turning off the A/C in a car saves gas; and our experts predict which modern cars will become classics in the future.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:34 - CR’s Headlight Testing
03:27 - Hidden Danger of BIG Trucks
07:27 - 2022 Ford Maverick Preview
12:32 - 2022 Honda Civic First Impressions
18:12 - Modern Classics
26:50 - Question #1: What are the proper oil change intervals for short commute vehicles?
29:27 - Question #2: Could a new car that sat on a dealer’s lot for months experience ‘lot rot?’
33:13 - Question #3: Why are battery powered cars called electric vehicles?
36:13 - Question #4: Does turning off the A\C in a car save fuel?
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First Drive: 2022 Honda Civic Stands Out Among Compact Sedans
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The Hidden Danger of BIG Trucks
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I witnessed a short elderly woman being killed in a crosswalk when a tall pickup truck turned right and didn't see her over his fender. It was horrific. There should be new laws for mirrors or cameras in these trucks to view blocked areas. The scale of new and lifted trucks is no longer compatible with the size of pedestrians with whom they share streets.
I also witnessed an accident while driving in a two way winding country road at night. A lifted fullsize truck came from the bend and blinded the car in front of me when the old man in the car thought the truck has his hi beams on . He signalled to him via hi beams but the idiot blasted him back with a hi beam and fog lights.. the old man died when he went off road and crashed. When they lift their trucks, idiots dont account that their head lights are way up too
The Toyota FJ is already classic
Thumbs up on the outtakes, keep 'em coming!
I think Dodge Challenger Red-eye will end up as a collector car due to the fact that they are often wrecked, and how popular they are
VW completely missed the boat on the vanlife/camping craze. They floated the Microbus concept for years and Canoo has come along and done a better version of it.
Instead, VW brings out the mediocre, overweight and underwhelming ID3...
CR, If you are going to give kudos to Ford for making a 40 mpg 'pickup' then you need to look critically at Honda for launching a new Civic that averages less than that. With several compact commuter car alternatives already exceeding 50 mpg, a brand new 2022 model in the high 30s is simply not good enough. 50 mpg has to be the new benchmark in this class.
The Maverick is a hybrid. Honda has a hybrid Civic - the Insight. It averages over 50 mpg. Chill out.
@@chezzyperson3339 Every CVT equipped Civic should be a Hybrid by now.
@@ThirdBrainLives In case you were not paying attention, it is the planet that needs to 'chill out'. That is why mediocre mpg at launch is no longer acceptable in an ordinary commuter car.
To be fair, those Maverick numbers aren't quite final are they?
@@IamGroot786 I have seen highway tests of the new Civic and its mediocre numbers certainly are real.
I can see the "sparks" in your eyes when you guys define the name for battery electric vehicle. Love your weekly show!
I think he meant $28,000
Maybe it's that much for the Type R or something, but according to Motortend the regular sedan is:
"The LX starts at $22,695, and the model tops out at the Touring's $29,295."
Correct, added another 10k to the price. I think Touring all in I’ve seen at about 29k maxed out.
I appreciate the bloopers at the end, keep them coming!
Glad you like them!
The first Cadillac CTS that angular design is still striking to me to this day.. reminds me of the matrix every time I see it. Love that car.
My favorite episode ever! Very entertaining while being informative.
I'm old enough to remember people calling a drill you plugged in an electric drill. Yes there were several types of drills that you cranked by hand when I was a child. My grandfather had the old fashion one with the knob on top and kind of a U shape handle on it's side between the top knob and bit that you cranked, then there was the type that had a crank like the old egg beaters, which people who owned ones that you plugged in called them an electric beater. Now the ones which run on a rechargeable battery are called cordless, and someday someone will say why do we call them cordless.
I had an '09 Sonata Limited that I bought in April. Only later did I see that it had been made in April of '08. And I knew it had been transferred from South Florida. A friend in the car business said if it was from Florida, it had paint protectant on it, although they didn't charge me for it.
So I monitored the car closely, and it never gave me any trouble. The tires lasted 45,000 miles, the brakes 100,000, and the paint was fine. I still miss that car!
Am I the only one that doesn't like how large cara have gotten? I think we are going to have a lot of regretful people with their larger cars. As fuel prices go up. Amazing how quickly people forget how quickly prices can go up. Like they have since around Nov. 2020. Pretty sad Honda basically has no car the size of my 2005 civic. Since they keep making things bigger and bigger. Basically making the MPG stagnate.
If you don't require the space, a small car is so much easier to drive around town.
I'd love it if we could get Japan's kei cars.
But they'd be run over by F-250's...
They are still around. you can get a Miata if you want small. Oh, too small now?
This bigger car gets better MPG than the 2005 civic and is much faster
"Future Classics" is a great segment. Keep it going for future episodes.
OMG! Jenn could have made a living as a model for engineering journals. Knockdown gorgeous and intelligent. Cover gal for Transportation Research Part C: Emerging Technologies.
I know right. What a hottie on that cover!
do you "calibrate" the headlights for this test, to ensure they're to factory settings? i've noticed my car's headlight levels are lower compared to other owners of the same model, so I had to raise it myself.
I love the Saab love! I had a 9-3 with a manual and loved it
"Wait a minute, are you telling me that this sucker is nuclear?!
No, no, no, no, no. This sucker's electrical, but I need a nuclear reaction to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity I need!"
I believe that the 2020 FK8, will be a classic for what it is and it's polarizing looks!! Of the Type R's, it's truly unique....
Classic car shows twenty years from now will be filled with Corvettes and Mustangs just like they are now.😄
The Civic has morphed from the small, reliable, fuel-efficient car that I loved into something I don't recognize. It will be a cold day in hell before I drop 38 grand on a mini Accord.
He's was wrong. A Civic tops out at $30k. And don't worry, hundreds of thousands of people will buy these so Honda doesn't need you.
The civic type r hatch is definitely going to be a hot car in 25 years.
Nice honest coverage about even absurdities in the mainstream.
Great video. And why, oh why are pick up truck headlights brighter coming at you than any car on the road? It is very disturbing and a hazard imo. I believe it’s because they are a tad higher and their alignment is higher and the beam is more in-line to the oncoming car driver. I believe the NHTA. needs to investigate this.
Maybe Consumer Reports could look at this??
Thanks
Keith Barry, no local barbers working anymore?
A/C normally uses around 1-2 mpg in ICE cars, possibly less these days in newer cars.
I got $5,500 off on a new Basque red 2016 Honda Accord EX-L that sat on dealer lot for 7 months. Still had only 4 miles on it.
only time you get a price break is on unsold models, or at end of model year if dealer passes along factory incentives, just to unload unsold inventory.
For the car sitting on lot question, I thought car rotors rust within days? Surface rust on rotors aren't an issue I thought. Also, what about a car that has been on the lot for 2 or 3 years. I had been considering a mazda cx-5 diesel awhile ago that was on the lot for 2-3 years. I offered about 5k below their cost (carcostcanada) and they declined, I didn't counter offer. Would such a car be a bad idea mechanical wise? It had about 2000 miles on it and I was a bit worried about diesel components sitting and not in use.
Toyota FJ Cruiser, 2010 or newer 4runner and V8 powered Tundra, Lexus GX and LS. Honorable mention is 2013- 2020 Lexus GS, Nissan 350z and Mazda RX8. Naturally aspirated vehicles like these are becoming popular because alot of the newer vehicles have turbo charging, GDI, ect. I can see all of these becoming classics.
I think it would be hard for electric cars to be truly classic. The batteries will eventually degrade and unless the manufacturer is selling new replacement batteries decades down the road, they will turn to junk. Also I’m not sure how easy it’ll be to work on an old electric car. Maybe I’m just old, but I can’t see myself wrenching on an old Tesla in my garage because I’d be afraid of getting zapped
Why wouldn't you disconnect the battery before "wrenching?" I think it does that automatically anyway.
Look at the enthusiast/DIY electrical engineer groups online -- getting better batteries for older EVs likely won't be a problem once they become desirable "classics."
Battery cells are battery cells. We're still in the infancy of this push. It would be silly to assume aftermarket or DIY projects couldn't build replacement packs using cells of a different chemistry and/or form factor.
.... give it time
Hey Karl, do you own an internal combustion powered drill?
First gen Honda Insight with a manual transmission. I've fantasized about having that odd ball car for years.
That Maverick is gonna be a SLAAAAAM dunk. Its almost to good.
24:50 The Mach E is a FIRST, so yea its already just that. Hold on to it and keep it clean.
This is the first review I've heard that said the Civic was loud. I just read a Car and Driver article that said the Civic was 2 dB quieter on the highway at 70 mph than the previous generation.
Maybe because the Touring has 18" wheels. Lower trims may be quieter.
Sounds to me they are trying to compare it to the level of loudness of an LS500.
That plywood hanging out of that short bed looked sketchy.
Agreed. A modest utility trailer, rented if necessary, would be much safer. Far better for moving riding mowers, mulch, and appliances too. A low deck height and smooth sides make loading and unloading much easier.
In the words of James may.
“Rare, Interesting, and Beautiful those are the ways to judge what could be a classic car. And a true classic must atleast be 2 of those 3” I couldn’t agree more. If I were to put money into a future classic that isn’t a super car I would make sure that car has a cult following already and atleast 2 of the 3. That’s Italian car makers are so good at making classics or the 90s and early 2000’s in Japan. That’s the way to go.
Chevy SS, yes good call. In the same vein, maybe the Bob Lutz era Pontiac GTO.
Chevy SS for sure ! I drive a G8 and I’m dying to get the SS as my next car
Those 2 were hindered by plain looks unfortunately.
“...how to give Mike and ME bonuses.” “...a picture of her and ME.”
24:10 Yes and no. The Mustang and other high volume models have special unique trims which command the market. The common version is just that. So you need to watch out there as well its not apples to apples.
Still have my Baja which I bought new. . Wish Subaru would bring it back.
I predict the Mazda 6 will be a more collectable vehicle in future years to come now that it's going by the wayside.
I wondered about that, but they probably made too many. (I have one.)
Any Miata is a great collector car.
The manual comment is perhaps misguided: Honda canned the sedan's manual last year, but the hatchback will continue to offer it due to popularity of that combination. The Si and R are basically guaranteed to offer manuals. Take-rate is too high to not.
Don’t forget the Honda CRX.
36,000 for a Civic?!? What planet are we on?!?
You can't deny physics. Mass matters. The bigger the vehicle the safer you are when you essentially use the other vehicle as an additional crumple zone.
solution to truck problem is to tax excess weight over 3,000 pounds and excess engine size over 2500 liters. tax the excess at $1 per pound and also $1 per liter every year.
(just like they do in europe or japan). mostly over 95% of the time, they have only one person in them.
That won’t work in ‘Murica, the Republicans will start a civil war 😂
The same with those smelly Mega SUVs such as the Nissan Yomama or the Ford Eroder; each one uniformly contains one soccer mom.
How you like your freedom but want to take away others freedom. Trucks use more gas & pay more tax for the gas. You fill up at $20 & trucks fill up at or above $100, who paid more in tax's? Trucks tend to cost more & pay more sales tax then your tiny little cars. Freedom is a wonderful thing. If you do not like it you can move too China, Russia, North Korea, Iran.
Collectible vehicles: For some time now the Lotus Elise. In the future the first generation BRZ.
Hello! You got the range of the Civic incorrect it is 21,300 Base to 28,700 Touring
He may have included the Type R.
Funny you mentioned the Chevy SS. I always will love the Pontiac G8 GT. To me, that’s a classic.
Question to the viewers: They discuss the person who says he calls his flashlight a battery flashlight and not an electric flash light. Does anyone out there call it a battery flash light? Just curious.
A lifted F series truck almost ran me over wheb crossing the street. Im 6’q and he still couldn’t see me. I had to scream at him and jump out of his way before he noticed. I’m so glad I wasn’t crossing with my toddler. That thought got me so mad.
I hate those gigantic trucks and the assholes that drive them . They are very aggressive jerks .
@@marktuyet it’s the new BMW driver.
Americans and their trucks...
They use to teach to look both ways before crossing the road. You should learn that & a road is not made to walk on it is made to drive on. And drive what you like & can afford. I like big trucks & had one. Never had someone just walk out in front of me.
Hi Jenn, Keith, and Quince, GOOD SHOW!!! Some comments : 1) JENN!! YOU'VE HARDLY CHANGED IN TWENTY YEARS!! ( were you a child bride?? did you need Mommy and Dad's permission?? ) 2) I am Very Impressed with the Maverick!! I think my wife will love it, because she used to own an original "small" Ranger; she drives a Forester now, and the Maverick is 17" longer (all in the rear) , 1" wider, and the same height. The negatives I've seen in the videos are a) the center A/C vents are too low and will freeze your right hand in summer when it's holding the steering wheel b) no rear passenger A/C vents c) no turn signal repeaters in the mirrors ( a safety issue??) d) the storage hole next to the central display screen makes the screen look smaller and cheaper!!! I'm hoping Ford will fix some of these things before they begin production. Anyway, THANK YOU, CHAS ORVIS, PLAINVILLE, CT.
What about Nissan Juke
Mike, the Pontiac Aztek was a low volume car but I don't think it'll ever be a "classic" :-)
Two door manual transmission Honda Accord coupe with the V6 will be a classic import
Honda seems to have forgotten what people want in a civic. I bought my 2015 instead of a 2016 because it was unique and efficient, and I loved the two-tier dashboard.
Now, they're trying to make it too "upscale" and have gotten away from what people have always loved about civics.
1980s Honda Civic Wagon 4WD
The new civic hatchback will offer a manual Honda has said
The new civic hatchback will have 6speed manual.
the comedy on the show, omg.... you guys are goobers!!! lol.....
instead of buying a compact car, ill just buy a ford maveric
All cars are getting bigger, the Camry used to be a medium sized car, and is now a large family sedan.
"Need" most every person drives or rides [motorcycle] a vehicle they do not "need". Most of the time 1 person going too & from work, needs a super tiny low power 2 seat car or 250 motorcycle. We are free in the USA, buy and drive or ride what you want & can afford.
Mazdaspeed3
$38k USD for a Civic with a CVT and no rear ac vents and tons of road noise?!?!
I think Keith meant $30k
No compact car has rear air vents in North America
He may have included the Type R.
almost all of jen's future classic predictions were way off the mark. lol.
I can see the Flex becoming a classic 20 years from now. It has unique styling and they are rare.
@@350zlover2 I see them alot, Midwest, southeast.
Astrological? Astrological type moon charts? What house is CR in?🤔
Maybe Astronomical moon charts would be less magical.😳
Guess what America. The Honda Civic is built in Canada 🇨🇦.
Massive road noise on the new civic...
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2:00 Why are we passing legal legislation for automated driving but we give absolutely NO legal authority for the super LEDs and laser lights that Europe has which has been clearly shown to be a safety upgrade? It would solve the "Why are headlights so bright" The lights are continuously adjusting to keep out of the eyes of other cars coming and going.
1:03 conducting strange rituals at midnight based on the patterns of the moon? QUICK someone check if Jennifer weighs more than a duck! lol
7:29 I am curious to know if the new ford maverick will make that list. The only thing I'm unsure of is the standard safety features.
19:54 so I'm going to stick to the top gear rules for this one. meaning a car has to have two of the three following characteristics to be a classic "rare, interesting, and/or beautiful" So the current Tesla Model X for example wouldn't fit that bill because while it is interesting, it's not rare and it's definitely not beautiful.
So, right now this is really kind of hard to judge, because lots of volume cars right now just not interesting or beautiful. The closest things that come to mind are the Mini Cooper SE (not many made, it's got the looks, and as the first Mini EV it's definitely interesting), there's also the Honad-e (while not sold here, it fits all three categories well). Most Mazda's will probably fit this category in some way (there's not a lot of them around, they all look good, and every one of them has some interesting twist on the segment)
depending upon how much you want to stretch the term "every day car" all of alfa could fit in here. the 4C fits all three to an almost comical degree. while the Julia definitely fits two.
Marilyn is looking to buy a Fiat 500. They’re all sitting on dealer lots rotting away.
In 30 years can an EV be a barn find? Will it still run or can it be made to run? Now we can find old ICE parts, but in the future a car will be only some suspension parts and only a few of the interior parts. Nobody will remake the electronics these need to run but I can get '65 GTO back on the road.
I think 3D printing and enthusiast desire will make it much easier to get replacement parts than you think. Heck, people are still writing programs for the Atari 2600!
An EV really doesn't care about battery specifics. The AC motor sure doesn't discriminate where the electricity originates from. Group the right number of battery cells to achieve the right voltage and amperage .... and voila, you're 95% operational. Aftermarket BMS and battery cells/modules are on the way, why wouldn't they be?
180 hp is upgraded
19:00 You cant just name "creature cars" and call them future collector cars. They need to be special, limited, and desirable for X reason. The thing is you can trott out a fan for any POS but that doesn't mean its a classic.
Any car rwd, manual, with a v8
The comment about calling electric cars as such. You guys have missed the root of the question. Yes, they are electric, but why constantly refer to them as "electric" when you don't refer to other electric appliances AS electric.
I think the main point is, 98% of all cars are ICE, so the other 2% are differentiated as "electric".
There are no gas-powered appliances.
Wow Karl... really??🤦♂️
Uggggh…. He asked for future classics and you said Dodge Caravan and Honda Element? Lol you gotta be kidding me…
Mint Honda Elements are going for $25k+ right now online
They just bought the previous version of the elantra/forte , and copied it.
Hondas are highly overrated and grossly overpriced. " negotiating" with a honda dealer is like trying to strike a hostage deal with iran, north korea, russia, or china except that you are the hostage. even in its home market of Japan, Toyota, Mazda, and even Nissan are considered to be much more desirable cars.
but, here in the states, there are plenty of cult sheeple.
Hondas make reliable vehicles. Their reputation follows them. However, I do believe Hyundai is up there with Honda now when it comes to reliability. I personally think Toyota is the best brand for quality and reliability from what I have seen in the Automotive business.
When I saw the interior, I thought they'd made a pretty good copy of the current Forté.
I had a 2003 S-10 pickup, basic work truck with economical 4-cyl, manual trans, 2-door, 6 ft bed, vinyl floor and seats, AC, PS, PB, and a radio. Years ago the Ford made a Ranger that was equivalent to it. Nobody makes anything like it today, and nothing on the horizon. Even the new Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz are only available with a crew cab and a much shorter bed, making the bed almost useless. The starting prices are supposed to be $21k, but I would be very surprised to find a Maverick on a dealer's lot with an MSRP less than $30k. SMFH.
I don't think that the discussion of classic cars was on point. Classic cars are cars people wanted when they couldn't afford them - whether they were really good looking or especially fast, etc. Or had a cult following.
I think that's why you're going to see a lot of Teslas!
Please stop calling the Mach E a Mustang. Ford has such a rich library of retired names is a shame Ford could not of used a more appropriate and imaginative Name!
Building an SUV, electric or not, and slapping the mustang nameplate and superficial styling cues on it is quite unimaginative.
The new F150 Lightning is an appropriate use of the nameplate. It’s still an F150 but the sub model name is now more appropriate if anything!
Carol Shelby once said in various ways, the name doesn’t make the car! The car makes the name a legend.
They could’ve called it a galaxy. If it’s good, it will be a winner the a galaxy name will soar.
If it’s a loser no name will save it! Including mustang.
I wish Ford had listened to Carroll Shelby this time around!
Future Classic: Not so many years from now, wealthy surfer dudes will pay anything to lash their boards to the tops of mint condition Ford Taurus station wagons.
Current EV cars won't be collectable because they will be a bad modern car. The collectible ones are going to be the last generation of ICE vehicles with stuff like manual gearboxes...
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CVT is awful.
This ugly Civic is a big let down on the outside (a smiling whale glued onto a 2014 Audi A4) super nice retro interior. Too bad.
It's time they forced the hipster To take a bath and shave.
Does it really feel better to insult another human being?
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It feels like an Audi from a couple years ago because it costs as much as an Audi from a couple years ago! Well put together its $38000 God dam it! For a Honda Civic!
He was including the Type R in that price spread, it does have a retail of around $38K.
It’s loaded at about 29k not the 38k he stated. Agree that would be insane.
Today's cars going to be a classic decades from now? Seriously? You're kidding, right? That has the same answer as the question which of today's music is going to be a classic 50 years from now? None! And you say a future classic car has to be built in limited numbers? So, was a 57 Chevy, the ultimate classic car at most car cruise shows today, built in limited numbers? Of course not. And my dad had a Chevy SS you mentioned and I was very disappointed when I drove it. It's Corvette engine was detuned, and with the car's behemoth weight and large turning radius due to wide tires, it wasn't a muscle car compared to any of the 60's muscle cars, and it wasn't responsive in corners.
No one era in time has a monopoly on what can be "classic"; it's a relative term . There will absolutely be many things including music and automobiles which will be considered "classic" in 50 years.
I can definitely see a Chevy SS becoming a desirable vehicle in 20 years.
Disagree with your post completely. It seems like you can't imagine different people have different views. Clearly some cars produced today will be seen as classics .