Review Of BBb/FF Contrabass Trombone
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- Review of a Chinese made contrabass trombone.
This particular type of trombone is the largest member of the trombone family. It has the same amount of tubing as a 4 valve BBb tuba.
A characteristic of these trombones is that they are unstable; trying to hit one note is much harder than on other sized trombones.
My last few years on cornet/trumpet have not prepared me for taming this instrument.
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CaptaiNaught he had it fixed
Norfolk & Western 611 Nope
Norfolk & Western 611 It was too expensive
Enchanted Gamer9 i asked him he said he is waiting to get the trombone back
Norfolk & Western 611 Ahh. I was just going off his prior videos
*playing* *takes breath as if it's the last breath he'll ever have* *continues playing*
Looks like the screw holding the F paddle is a little loose- it's moving with the trigger. Make sure it doesn't fall out!
Also, you sound pretty good!
Well, the whole thing fell out at the end.
:( ...
Aidan Ritchie it got fixed though
The blue bells of Scotland sounded reasonably good on the contrabass
"not equipped to play"
Actually sounded pretty good
Slide tuba
Yup
No. Tuba does not sound like that.
If a tuba had a cylindrical bore, then yeah, but since the tuba has a conical bore it has a very different timbre that is far more mellow and darker. The trombone has a brighter more clear but less resonant tone.
thats is not a slide tuba. i am a trombonist and i know that the tuba has a difference sound and tubbing arrangement then the contrabass trombone. So please don't call it a slide tuba
Sven Larsson lmao go to this guys favorites
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hahahahahahha
Eh?
Shining Armor Lol
Shining Armor 1984
Correct
I play the trombone, the baritone/euphonium, and the tuba. I kind of want to play the contrabass trombone now.
George you could, it uses pretty much the same notes.
Me too!
Are you kidding me? You did great playing that trombone. I can’t even imagine playing something like that.
1400$ US how? the cheapest one I can find is 4k
"Chinese made"
I'm assuming the one you found is a Miraphone. This one is a cheaper (Chinese made as opposed to German made) knockoff made by a company named Snorf. I don't know if they still exist however many of Trent's novelty trombones, such as his piccolo trombone, came from them.
@@carlenger9707
the trombone in this video was made in a Jinbao factory,
but because he didn't get it directly from Jinbao, the sellers allowed him to send an image of his choise and it would get laser engraved onto the bell, Trent chose Snorf to be stamped because of a cat of his was named Snorf
That is my dream trombone...
I recall that Roger Bobo, then the tuba player of the L. A. Phill, and also a member of the Phil's brass quintet, had Miraphone create a contra-bass trombone for him. He felt that the tone quality of the instrument would more closely blend with the trumpets and trombones in certain literature. The trombone and the trumpet have a more cylindrical bore that the tuba , which is more conical. That difference causes differences in the tonal quality. I also don't know how the horn figures in these considerations. Bobo is long since gone from L.A., and I don't know what the follow up is on his action, or anything about the instrument. I also don't know if his effort was the first, or if there were other contra-bass trombones before he had one made.
What's the point though? It just sounds like a slightly brassier tuba with more arm effort.
MardukFilms I mean, the same thing could be said for trombone over euph. It's a different sound than a tuba and can do different things because of the slide. But with that said, it's still pretty useless...
MardukFilms the 1 o clock lab band played "smoke in your eyes" featuring a contrabass trombone player. The instrument is more for show and the edgy sound that's harder to get
I'd say if you play it well, it could almost take the place of a string bass. And could play alongside a tuba for some cool bottom of an ensemble.
there's a video of a trombone ensemble playing an arrangement of Richard Wagner's Inveni David that shows a stellar example of the contrabass trombones potential.
You are not a musician if you ask what the point of this is....
If you ever get the chance, could you ever do videos on Wessex instruments?
I can't find many reliable reviews, and thought if you ever got one then your opinion and review could be a good one to base my buying one or not off of
+WorcestershireySauce Unfortunately I have no plans to buy one, so probably not.
***** I've heard pretty good things from them. The owner checks each instrument to ensure they're decent.
+WorcestershireySauce Wessex buys chinese instruments, but they make them theirs by bringing the instruments up to their standards, they cover the cost they pay, plus the cost of work they put in, then sell them. Gotta love Wessex
Wessex is a pretty reputable company, i've read extensive reviews and have talked to some folks who own some. If you have the need and the money, i'd say go for it, unless you're wanting it to play in a symphony or something (even though there are a few players who do just that!)
+Greg Monks Well they dont change the material. Usually companies that do this will buy the instrument, and rebuild as necessary, maybe a slide pair was out of line, or had a gap where it should connect, maybe the valves aren't straight, maybe the leadpipe or receiver needs to be reamed a tad. Little details are what make the horn, after the building stage
+Greg Monks I must have gotten lucky, my soprano was pretty free until my old director dropped the slide. Although you really have to appreciate that Jupiter makes just about the only student level Soprano trombone. Most others are just trumpets with slides....
DHL eh ?. That's another brass instrument that "Destroy Happily, [no] Liability" have scored. A baritone horn I bought arrived like that. The reason the bell was crushed turned out to be that when the driver had his lunch break he wanted something to sit on, so he chose the box my baritone horn was in although covered in "Fragile, do not Crush" labels !.
He should've put the slide of the contrabass trombone on another trombone and see what the effect would be
Watching this video is so sad because I know it's dead and it breaks my heart seeing it so shiny and pretty
This instrument has a PEDAL TONE (low Bb)! Woooh! I didn't know this! Thank you for this review! But the low B-natural is impossible, don't you?
Thanks a lot for this review. You played few notes from blue bells of scotland, good job !
Huge trombone!
Hmmm, it sounds a bit stuffy, what is the brand? (even though it's probably same horn as half of the chinese horns)
I got one of the M&M JinBao contra bass trombones and it did not seem to play right. Took it to my tech who is also a trombone/tuba player like myself and and we both thought it had something stuffed down into it. Brushes and water through it proved that wasn't the problem. A year later I got to try a Mirpahone contrabass, and it was much better. The chinese didn't copy it close enough, even though both looked the same and even had the same scroll work on trigger valve cap (suspicious). Maybe they make them for the germans and the germans rework them and those that don't pass get sent back. Cases were virtually identical too... so....? Dunno, but the miraphone just played much better. Or at least of the two horns I played, that's how it worked out. My thoan helicon (1880s) plays better than the jinbao. I sent it back to M&M.
If he don't want it I'll take it for sure
I have a chinese made bass trombone brought secnond had
And after a bit of cleaning as the previous owner seemed to have never cleaned it out it works a treat I wouldn't completely write off chinese made instruments
and nor would I. Chinese made tenor trombones run from $80 USD to well over a grand. You don't get anything worth the money for less than $500+. That's the bit to remember. The dirt cheap ones are dirt.
Good point to keep in mind
I must admit I had a few problems with the axle flow valves but after simply cleaning and oiling it they where really smooth
I first thought it must be because its cheap and Chinese made but I was proved wrong it does a dam good job at playing in my conservatoire orchestra
Yeah, they do tend to come with manufacturing residue on them, and it's always recommended to give them a thorough clean before use. I've previously bought a $300 USD tenor trombone that's more useful as a garden ornament than a trombone.
Very good point made me chuckle
Woahh sounds exactly like my contra tubaaaa
The only difference is the shape and the bore.
+Shining Armor And sound, and bell taper...
Anyone know which company I can find this from?
Thanks for the fun review, and you sound good. Think Arthur Prior had this version in mind?
Trent, I've noticed that you mostly purchase Chinese made instruments, is it because you are only looking to get your hands on the instrument or are you looking for quality instruments?
Well, he mainly wants a decent quality instrument for cheap. Look up a contrabass trombone. It's $8,000+ USA Dollars.
Joe Cross I did research for a contrabass trombone but i couldn't find anything
I keep looking at these. I've never played one and have no real use for one. Is that a good enough reason to buy one?
Yes. I’ve ordered one for the same reason. Jim laabs sells them,
@@janetbajan568 wrong side of the pond for me, sadly
Nathan Lucas they ship.
Aka the slide tuba
DId you start on the trombone? What was your first instrument?
If you want to imitate a contrabass trombone on a tenor trombone, just blat every note.
I think it was cornet
Thank you for a great review! Any chance of getting the name of the manufacturer you used? I checked Alibaba but there are a couple Contra trombones being sold on there.
Must have been this one: www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Trombone-made-in-China-Double-slide_2001808423.html
ETJonasson They're all manufactured by Jinbao. The different places on Alibaba are just different suppliers. One that I've used a few times is www.xuqiumusic.com/.
Trent Hamilton
Thanks a lot! I must confess I'm tempted...
I would love it if whenever there is a dramatic trombone part in a concert band I would love it if the director says to the bass trombone player, "yeah you know that really awesome part that you guys play? play that an octave down." and it would sound awesome. examples of this happening include the great locomotive chase (the concert band arrangement).
Jees dont take that loud of breaths and im a band directer so take less loud breaths but good breaths
Trent, how do you think the contrabass would slot into a New Zealand brass band setting?
Fairly poorly; there's no real need for a contrabass trombone.
Trent Hamilton What about the Ｃｉｍｂａｓｓｏ
Is this the JTB 193?
What is the website you got this from? because when you say "cheap", I wanna know what that means
+Charles Fischer alibaba.com. $1400 USD
Where did you purchase this instrument? I was interested in Buying a Tuba if I got back into band, once I am more established. But Tubas aren’t cheap, or portable. Having to lug one around sucks. So 1400 for a decently sounding Contra Trombone would be a cheaper alternative and make people think wow! That’s a new one!
I bought it from Alibaba.
@@TrentHamilton searching, I found multiple inquires, the only promising result has a picture of a double slide contrabass, but is captioned as a piccolo. I am very confused. Also the pictures have very different results.
Where did you get it?
Is the mouth piece tuba size or regular trombone sized
Tuba I think
Does anyone know where i can purchase one?
Actually, that is pretty good
Why is it called BBb /FF instead of Bb/F?
+luke witt It specifies the octave of the instrument. Although BBb is one octave higher than the pedal fundamental, which is written as BBBb, also written as Bb0 or Bb''. These are all just different ways to reference which octave a note is in. Middle C is 'C4', one octave higher is C5, etc. Or, there's the notation that reads C', C, c, c', c'', etc.
+Trent Hamilton Oh, that makes sense now. Thanks!
may i ask what your original music instrument is ? since you are able to play all, but just what wondering ehat you are "suposed" to play
I originally started learning on a cornet when I was four years old. As for what I'm "supposed" to play, is there ever a correct answer to that?
Yeaah thx!!i am a tambour myself !! Sorry if i dissapoint you with that XD
Are Chinese horns any good?
+Holden Hooper The cheapest ones are rubbish, but some of them are usable.
Are you using cream or oil? Cause creaming that slide must be one hell of a job
Slide-o-mix is my lubricant of choice. It feels like it takes about two litres to lube the entire slide section.
Wait, are you lubricating the whole slide section or just the stockings? You only need to lubricate the stockings because it's the only part of the inner slide that touches the outer slide
KevoTheReaper With the slide-o-mix two bottle combo, the lube in the smaller bottle goes on the stockings and the lube in the bigger bottle gets applied to the top of the slide section - as per the instructions. You'll find that you're wrong about just the stockings touching the outer slide - when in a perfect vertical position, sure, but the moment any downwards pressure gets applied, EG when one is holding the slide, or when the slide is in a horizontal position other parts of the inner slide will make contact with the outer.
Thanks for letting em know I have been mis-informed. Have you used Yamaha slide cream before? If so, would you recommend Yamaha Slide Cream or slide-o-mix?
I haven't used Yamaha slide cream. When I was much younger, Ponds cold cream was about the best I could find. The trouble with creams is that they do a good job quietening the slide, but a not as great a job at making the slide as fast as possible. I hear Yamaha now makes a slide oil which is apparently one of the best available, but I haven't tried that either.
Where can I but this?
What’s the difference Bb and BBb
Cute Critters and Friends BBb just means it's pitched an octave lower than Bb
is it made by Wessex?
+Jelley Peanuts Wessex buys chinese instruments, but they make them theirs by bringing the instruments up to their standards, they cover the cost they pay, plus the cost of work they put in, then sell them. Gotta love Wessex
where did you get that? online?
Sorry I'm late lol, this take a tuba mouthpiece right?
Yes, the same mouthpiece
Whats the brand? I Can't find it
The exact model is a Miraphone MI57F.
Why call it the contrabass call it a tubabone
tubabone would not be an accurate name at all, Trent made a whole video about the name of soprano trombones because most people who don't know there are multiple members of the trombone family were calling them slide trumpets. there's not way he'd treat the contrabass trombone, a member of the trombone family of instruments, and not a member of the tuba family of instruments any different
Any other tuba players wanna try this
Rip
Trent do you still have this instrument? I would like to try it when I am in Wellington, if you would´t mind?
I have not played a trumpet in the past few years? Wrong instament
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bro, is playing trombone difficult? 🤔
your question is too vague for a real answer
@@DNKG669 what is vague, I ask if playing the trombone is difficult or not
The one that i can get is $8,000 :(
You Breath very Loud!!!
Well on an instrument that massive you need a LOT of air to play, also the slide is heavy. I'd imagine it's good exercise.
Yes Thats still write but when you breath loud and have additional noise in your breath you have a resistence in your throat
Dont puff ur cheeks
Look up "Salt Peanuts", and prepare to have a heart attack. Now there's a man who was never taught not to puff his cheeks.
Trent, love your efforts but man, the notes you just hit on that instrument don't exist in any situation. Don't mean to bash you but I'd like to hear a decent tone coming out of the horn not just blabbing some useless and toneless semi-sounds. I enjoy your reviews but if my buying decision would be based on this demo- I'd never make a move. Peace, Greg.
He isn't trying to get you to purchase the instrument
He's not a dadgum salesman!
Awful
A tuba discised as a trombone
1400$ US how? the cheapest one I can find is 8k
Because it is a Chinese peace of crap