Carl & I were going to record yesterday, but I wasn't in the right headspace, so we will be recording the next few episodes tomorrow. I know I will need a full nights sleep for what is coming next 😅 -GV (Alex)
@@GVSV-Media definitely pace episipodes 3 and 4 out how you need to. 4 is the heaviest. After that it starts getting lighter, although 5 is referencing mental health issues being addressed and dealt with. Then we’re into the Charlie and Nick being horny for each other storyline. Which even the producers wanted the back half of the season spoiled for, partly to get everyone though the first 4 episodes, the horny storyline is really really needed to look forward to.
I think what SV is missing a little bit between Charlie and his mother is the following: the issue with Charlie's mother doesn't stem from her wanting him to do chores and being strict about it but rather not being able to connect with her son enough so she can actually see he is not fine. If I were really cruel I'd say that all the cares about is him doing his chores, irregardless of how he feels. Of course that's not true, but that's most likely what Charlie is getting. The moment he tells her: "I am not fine" while tears run his cheeks, and her only reaction is "I'll get you a paracetamol" speaks volumes. I used to be in very similar situations with my mother, and I can assure you that lack of connection feels like death.
Thank you @buddytheoc 🫂 I’m sorry to hear that your mother made you feel this way. I can’t speak for SV (Carl), but I will say that I’m currently reading Alice Oseman’s Solitaire and Tori’s initial description of her mother is as follows: “Mum’s in the kitchen on the computer… She’s in love with Microsoft Excel… She asks me how my day was, but I just shrug and say that it was fine, but I’m fairly sure that she doesn’t care what my answer is.” I think you’re correct and this seems to be her personality 😥 -GV (Alex)
@@GVSV-Media Hey Alex, I loved Solitaire! Have "fun" with this one (it's darker than Heartstopper, just be aware....) For Mama Spring: she comes around in the course of the third season. My mom did, too, in the end.
Ive watched you two from the get go. Your guys aren't rushed and your conversations are reflective and you can compare a situation then talk how it affects from a straight and gay perspective. Very cool. Your friendship, you guys are lucky to have shared so many life experiences. I'm jealous of your "bromance"
During the 3-week time frame of Nick's (and family's) holiday, Charlie was not in school. There was no school-year school work for him to do (although some students voluntarily do extra academic studying or prep during the summer ) When Charlie's mom came in to complain that Charlie had not tidied the room in the space of time between when mom left and Tori entered the room to ask about Charlie's day at the beach (which conversation was interrupted by Nick's brief phone call (bad phone connection) ----- Mom began chiding Charlie about everything that bugged her about Charlie. She said that Charlie shouldn't stay at Nick's until late at night (9 pm), because Charlie was too young to be having sex. (Charlie and Nick have not been having sex-- we know that from season 2) Charlie starts in to say that he wasn't having sex. She argues, offering as proof, that he came home wearing Nick's clothes. Charlie got 3 - 4 syllables into explaining that his shirt had gotten wet at the beach and he wore Nick's shirt home--- when his mom did what she often does: cut him off abruptly and then start in on another grievance. Her next grievance was about the coursework issue from the previous May (2+ months ago), even though Charlie had finished and turned in the history essay/term paper when it was actually due --- on the last day of the term) She had ordered Charlie to hang up on Nick, saying you can talk to him later. She was unaware of Nick's being on 3 week holiday, unaware that the phone call was abortive because of bad connection (and Charlie was trying to explain that to Nick (while Mom was right there within hearing distance)) Mom also cut off Tori's attempt to help with the communication. (Tori is more aware of who Charlie is and how he feels. Tori was the one who witnessed Charlie saying (season 1) that he felt that maybe it would be better if he did not exist. It is Tori who has a better chance of getting Charlie to come to dinner.) *** *** *** Mom has never been taught how to communicate . She is prone to avoiding finding out what is really happening/what is really wrong; She is quick to anger and opts for punishment over trying to help. [Because I've read ahead in the books, I've learned through seeing 'flashback illustrations' that Charlie's Mom's mom was quick to anger and as a result, often verbally and physically abused Charlie's mom. And as we've mentioned on this channel, "Hurt people hurt people."
GCSEs are taken at 16. After GCSEs you can leave school or, if your grades are good enough, continue studying for A-Levels at 18. A lot of schools offer A-Levels (as we'll see, Truham does), but some students take them at "colleges" (not the same thing as university) instead, often for courses like Drama and Art that have specialised colleges. A-Levels are the prerequisite for university courses and you take a smaller selection of them; back in my day we'd typically do around 7--9 GCSEs in a broad range of subjects, then 2--4 A-Levels, targeted at our choice of undergraduate course for those of us who were planning for that. And yeah, you do go into the school building on results day to pick up your physical copy of your results. I guess that's not typical in the States? I'm surprised Charlie is allowed to pick up Nick's results, though, I never heard of another student being allowed to do that.
Thanks for the details. I’d gathered most of this from watching British tv shows over the years but I like your explanation. And yeah, at least back in my day, I’m pretty sure we got our SAT and ACT results in the mail. Our system of university admissions is quite a bit different than the UK’s, however.
If you contrast Nick's mom parenting style and Charlie's mom parenting style you begin to see the real problem. One mom is supportive, listens and connects emotionally with her child, while the other comes across as cold, distant and authoritarian. I'm sure they both love their children, but Charlie probably feels emotionally neglected by his mom.
So from what I have had explained to me is the GCSEs are essentially like final exams to get what would be equivalent to an American Diploma and similar to the SAT or ACT because they use the scores for college (Not UNI , I explained the difference on a different video) According to my friend A-Levels make the SAT look easy. Each year of sixth form (so 2 years total) if they choose to continue on with schooling, they have to choose at least 3 subject based exams called A-Levels. It is slightly similar to choosing AP classes/tests in America. But they are tested only on the subjects that they are spending the 2 years focusing on. I hope that makes some sense 😊
33:50 i dunno - Darcy is unsafe with her mother who on a whim will kick her out of the house. And she's abusive. It's not up to a teenager to help an abusive parent change their abusive behaviour. It's more important, at this stage to get to somewhere that is safe physically and mentally, from looking over her shoulder for her abuser.
I don't think that's what he was saying. He's saying that maybe later on- probably years- after Darcy has healed, maybe she/they can make reconciliation. Now just isn't the time.
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Time Frames: Season 2 ended in July. (July 11th the prom) Season 3 -- August (a month later) is when Book 4 begins August 11 is beach day and when the shower scene takes place August 12 is when Nick and his family leave to go on holiday for 3 weeks The new school year begins immediately after the end of the August holiday, on September 1. Nick is now in Year 12, and Charlie is in Year 11. September 4, is Nick's birthday -- when he turns 17.
GCSEs are sent away for marking. All the GCSE results in the country are published on the same day in August - during the summer break. Although it is rare, you can leave school after GCSEs, aged 16. You take GCSEs in each separate subject (usually between 5 and 10). 4 is a bare pass. 9 is the best possible. Tara got 9s across the board. Nick got a few 5-7s plus some nines (incl in French, of course0 A levels are in fewer specialised subjects (three or four, typically) and taken at the end of year 13 (USA grade 12). A level results determine your university application success (or not)
Think of GCSEs as the preSAT, and the A levels as the SATs. My son i obsessed with MREs. Any time they have them in the commissary, he has to search through them for ones he's never tried before, and always begs me to buy them for him.
Actually, the GCSE's bear no resemblence to the US Sat's. The SAT's cover basically verbal and math and the same general tests are given in all public schools . The GCSE's (exams) are a series of tests of all of the subjects the students take over the 2 years of high school up until that point. (It's cumulative) (Not all students take the same courses. For example, Charlie was taking Spanish in Year 10, but Nick took French through Year 11) The maximum score per exam is 9. (Tara got all 9s) I'm looking at the copy of Nick's test report; it shows the following subjects and scores: English 6 Maths 5 Chemistry 6 Biology 7 Physics 7 French 9 Physical Education 9 Geography 8 Psychology 6 We already knew that maths was his weakest subject and the 9s in French and PE are no surprise. Nick announced that he passed all of his GCSEs, so those are all passing scores. *** *** *** According to book 4, when Nick enters 6th Form (His years 12 and 13) -- it shows that he has chosen for his A Level courses: Psychology Biology Physical Education Geography. He will be studying those throughout 6th form and his A Level exams will be on those subjects (based on all that is covered up until the exams). Some students save the notes they reviewed for the GCSEs as a starting point for further review in preparation for the A-Levels.
I think you're wrong. She has consistently failed to notice his severe mental health issues. His sister notices, but his mother doesn't. Her reaction is understandable, but not excusable. She's not paying enough attention to her children.
I don’t get the Henry Cavil appeal, he’s tied to so many projects but few get made but I hope the Warhammer project gets made someday. Great conversations guys and it such that Olivia Colman wasn’t in this season but it’s good that Nick had his aunt there to guide him through helping Charlie.
For your Q&A. Can you tell us more of your opinion of Jane Spring's parenting style? Comments from other reactors and their comment boards seem to range from she's doing her best but a bit over-strict to a monster barely better than Darcy's mother.
Lol, the 'ignoring the tickle spots' my son will try to tickle me or my dad etc. And hes absolutely befuddled when we dont giggle. I had to explain that a lot of grown ups an 'turn it off'. He's like thats not fair, cause he is still very ticklish.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's like ...that sucks Charlie but also your mom is right once in a while. Obviously she's not perfect but she's not the straight up villian that charlie feels she is
Thank you @bookXbat!!! I know Charlie’s mom isn’t a villain, but I relate to Charlie so much, that sometimes it’s difficult for me to see anything but his POV. This is why I defer to Carl when issues around parenting come up, because it’s not my lived experience 😎👍 -GV (Alex)
@@melodyrichardson5051 I don't understand the sarcasm. These are people who are just starting out, and as a pensioner who watches a lot of TH-cam , my comment was just an observation with zero intent of malice
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If you notice the “mess” in the living room is literally Charlie’s summer homework that he was in the middle of working on!
Kit and Joe knocked it out of the park this season. it's a good thing my meds are working.
Carl & I were going to record yesterday, but I wasn't in the right headspace, so we will be recording the next few episodes tomorrow. I know I will need a full nights sleep for what is coming next 😅 -GV (Alex)
Too funny ,im with you
@@GVSV-Media definitely pace episipodes 3 and 4 out how you need to. 4 is the heaviest. After that it starts getting lighter, although 5 is referencing mental health issues being addressed and dealt with. Then we’re into the Charlie and Nick being horny for each other storyline. Which even the producers wanted the back half of the season spoiled for, partly to get everyone though the first 4 episodes, the horny storyline is really really needed to look forward to.
I think what SV is missing a little bit between Charlie and his mother is the following: the issue with Charlie's mother doesn't stem from her wanting him to do chores and being strict about it but rather not being able to connect with her son enough so she can actually see he is not fine. If I were really cruel I'd say that all the cares about is him doing his chores, irregardless of how he feels. Of course that's not true, but that's most likely what Charlie is getting. The moment he tells her: "I am not fine" while tears run his cheeks, and her only reaction is "I'll get you a paracetamol" speaks volumes. I used to be in very similar situations with my mother, and I can assure you that lack of connection feels like death.
Thank you @buddytheoc 🫂 I’m sorry to hear that your mother made you feel this way. I can’t speak for SV (Carl), but I will say that I’m currently reading Alice Oseman’s Solitaire and Tori’s initial description of her mother is as follows:
“Mum’s in the kitchen on the computer… She’s in love with Microsoft Excel… She asks me how my day was, but I just shrug and say that it was fine, but I’m fairly sure that she doesn’t care what my answer is.”
I think you’re correct and this seems to be her personality 😥 -GV (Alex)
@@GVSV-Media Hey Alex, I loved Solitaire! Have "fun" with this one (it's darker than Heartstopper, just be aware....)
For Mama Spring: she comes around in the course of the third season. My mom did, too, in the end.
Ive watched you two from the get go. Your guys aren't rushed and your conversations are reflective and you can compare a situation then talk how it affects from a straight and gay perspective. Very cool. Your friendship, you guys are lucky to have shared so many life experiences. I'm jealous of your "bromance"
They've already made me cry twice.
During the 3-week time frame of Nick's (and family's) holiday, Charlie was not in school.
There was no school-year school work for him to do (although some students voluntarily do extra academic studying or prep during the summer )
When Charlie's mom came in to complain that Charlie had not tidied the room in the space of time between when mom left and Tori entered the room to ask about Charlie's day at the beach (which conversation was interrupted by Nick's brief phone call (bad phone connection) -----
Mom began chiding Charlie about everything that bugged her about Charlie.
She said that Charlie shouldn't stay at Nick's until late at night (9 pm), because Charlie was too young to be having sex. (Charlie and Nick have not been having sex-- we know that from season 2)
Charlie starts in to say that he wasn't having sex. She argues, offering as proof, that he came home wearing Nick's clothes.
Charlie got 3 - 4 syllables into explaining that his shirt had gotten wet at the beach and he wore Nick's shirt home--- when his mom did what she often does: cut him off abruptly and then start in on another grievance.
Her next grievance was about the coursework issue from the previous May (2+ months ago), even though Charlie had finished and turned in the history essay/term paper when it was actually due --- on the last day of the term)
She had ordered Charlie to hang up on Nick, saying you can talk to him later.
She was unaware of Nick's being on 3 week holiday, unaware that the phone call was abortive because of bad connection (and Charlie was trying to explain that to Nick (while Mom was right there within hearing distance))
Mom also cut off Tori's attempt to help with the communication.
(Tori is more aware of who Charlie is and how he feels.
Tori was the one who witnessed Charlie saying (season 1) that he felt that maybe it would be better if he did not exist.
It is Tori who has a better chance of getting Charlie to come to dinner.)
*** *** ***
Mom has never been taught how to communicate . She is prone to avoiding finding out what is really happening/what is really wrong; She is quick to anger and opts for punishment over trying to help.
[Because I've read ahead in the books, I've learned through seeing 'flashback illustrations' that Charlie's Mom's mom was quick to anger and as a result, often verbally and physically abused Charlie's mom.
And as we've mentioned on this channel, "Hurt people hurt people."
GCSEs are taken at 16. After GCSEs you can leave school or, if your grades are good enough, continue studying for A-Levels at 18. A lot of schools offer A-Levels (as we'll see, Truham does), but some students take them at "colleges" (not the same thing as university) instead, often for courses like Drama and Art that have specialised colleges. A-Levels are the prerequisite for university courses and you take a smaller selection of them; back in my day we'd typically do around 7--9 GCSEs in a broad range of subjects, then 2--4 A-Levels, targeted at our choice of undergraduate course for those of us who were planning for that.
And yeah, you do go into the school building on results day to pick up your physical copy of your results. I guess that's not typical in the States?
I'm surprised Charlie is allowed to pick up Nick's results, though, I never heard of another student being allowed to do that.
Thanks for the details. I’d gathered most of this from watching British tv shows over the years but I like your explanation. And yeah, at least back in my day, I’m pretty sure we got our SAT and ACT results in the mail. Our system of university admissions is quite a bit different than the UK’s, however.
If you contrast Nick's mom parenting style and Charlie's mom parenting style you begin to see the real problem. One mom is supportive, listens and connects emotionally with her child, while the other comes across as cold, distant and authoritarian. I'm sure they both love their children, but Charlie probably feels emotionally neglected by his mom.
So from what I have had explained to me is the GCSEs are essentially like final exams to get what would be equivalent to an American Diploma and similar to the SAT or ACT because they use the scores for college (Not UNI , I explained the difference on a different video) According to my friend A-Levels make the SAT look easy. Each year of sixth form (so 2 years total) if they choose to continue on with schooling, they have to choose at least 3 subject based exams called A-Levels. It is slightly similar to choosing AP classes/tests in America. But they are tested only on the subjects that they are spending the 2 years focusing on. I hope that makes some sense 😊
33:50 i dunno - Darcy is unsafe with her mother who on a whim will kick her out of the house. And she's abusive. It's not up to a teenager to help an abusive parent change their abusive behaviour. It's more important, at this stage to get to somewhere that is safe physically and mentally, from looking over her shoulder for her abuser.
I don't think that's what he was saying. He's saying that maybe later on- probably years- after Darcy has healed, maybe she/they can make reconciliation. Now just isn't the time.
You guys are so great! Discovered ur reactions this week and im loving it! Your conversations about these hard topics are fascinating, keep it up! Subscribed now ◡̈
Time Frames:
Season 2 ended in July. (July 11th the prom)
Season 3 --
August (a month later) is when Book 4 begins
August 11 is beach day and when the shower scene takes place
August 12 is when Nick and his family leave to go on holiday for 3 weeks
The new school year begins immediately after the end of the August holiday, on September 1.
Nick is now in Year 12, and Charlie is in Year 11.
September 4, is Nick's birthday -- when he turns 17.
GCSEs are sent away for marking. All the GCSE results in the country are published on the same day in August - during the summer break. Although it is rare, you can leave school after GCSEs, aged 16. You take GCSEs in each separate subject (usually between 5 and 10). 4 is a bare pass. 9 is the best possible. Tara got 9s across the board. Nick got a few 5-7s plus some nines (incl in French, of course0
A levels are in fewer specialised subjects (three or four, typically) and taken at the end of year 13 (USA grade 12). A level results determine your university application success (or not)
Menorca is a smaller island in the Balearics, not terribly far from Mallorca. More expensive....
“…get right behind on that man”, guys, that moment was *beautiful*.
I can see him being a bottom 😂
What a beautiful and poignant perspective on this show
Think of GCSEs as the preSAT, and the A levels as the SATs.
My son i obsessed with MREs. Any time they have them in the commissary, he has to search through them for ones he's never tried before, and always begs me to buy them for him.
Thank you very much for explaining that, I feel like I've watched too much Hollyoaks, to not know this by now 😅 -GV (Alex)
Actually, the GCSE's bear no resemblence to the US Sat's.
The SAT's cover basically verbal and math and the same general tests are given in all public schools .
The GCSE's (exams) are a series of tests of all of the subjects the students take over the 2 years of high school up until that point. (It's cumulative)
(Not all students take the same courses. For example, Charlie was taking Spanish in Year 10, but Nick took French through Year 11)
The maximum score per exam is 9. (Tara got all 9s)
I'm looking at the copy of Nick's test report; it shows the following subjects and scores:
English 6
Maths 5
Chemistry 6
Biology 7
Physics 7
French 9
Physical Education 9
Geography 8
Psychology 6
We already knew that maths was his weakest subject and the 9s in French and PE are no surprise.
Nick announced that he passed all of his GCSEs, so those are all passing scores.
*** *** ***
According to book 4, when Nick enters 6th Form (His years 12 and 13) -- it shows that he has chosen for his A Level courses:
Psychology
Biology
Physical Education
Geography.
He will be studying those throughout 6th form and his A Level exams will be on those subjects (based on all that is covered up until the exams).
Some students save the notes they reviewed for the GCSEs as a starting point for further review in preparation for the A-Levels.
I think you're wrong. She has consistently failed to notice his severe mental health issues. His sister notices, but his mother doesn't. Her reaction is understandable, but not excusable. She's not paying enough attention to her children.
I don’t get the Henry Cavil appeal, he’s tied to so many projects but few get made but I hope the Warhammer project gets made someday. Great conversations guys and it such that Olivia Colman wasn’t in this season but it’s good that Nick had his aunt there to guide him through helping Charlie.
For your Q&A. Can you tell us more of your opinion of Jane Spring's parenting style? Comments from other reactors and their comment boards seem to range from she's doing her best but a bit over-strict to a monster barely better than Darcy's mother.
25:02 1042.4 miles to be exact
Lol, the 'ignoring the tickle spots' my son will try to tickle me or my dad etc. And hes absolutely befuddled when we dont giggle. I had to explain that a lot of grown ups an 'turn it off'. He's like thats not fair, cause he is still very ticklish.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's like ...that sucks Charlie but also your mom is right once in a while. Obviously she's not perfect but she's not the straight up villian that charlie feels she is
Thank you @bookXbat!!! I know Charlie’s mom isn’t a villain, but I relate to Charlie so much, that sometimes it’s difficult for me to see anything but his POV. This is why I defer to Carl when issues around parenting come up, because it’s not my lived experience 😎👍 -GV (Alex)
A personal opinion. Your discussions are often quite deep, and with your lighting choice, it comes across as being full of doom and gloom
Well aren't you a little ray of sunshine.
@@melodyrichardson5051 I don't understand the sarcasm. These are people who are just starting out, and as a pensioner who watches a lot of TH-cam , my comment was just an observation with zero intent of malice