357 Magnum - Handgun vs Rifle
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- Comparing performance between a handgun and rifle of the same caliber using two different loads. We'll also look at my journey learning how to shoot double action revolver. Please join me.
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I had a Ruger SP 101 in 357 many years ago. It's 3"bbl was extremely accurate. Later picked up a Winch 92 in 357. That combo served me well for over 20yrs. Wish I still had them. At 80yrs I've slowed down in my shooting. I still go out with my S&W 19 & Henry Big Boy 357 lever action. Love that combo.
Great video George! No matter how many times I see it with my own eyes, I'm always amazed at the gains a pistol round makes when fired from a rifle.
Yep. It's real and it's a significant difference as well.
Hey Suite, just want to say I love your channel, thanks for the vids!
Thanks. I appreciate that! And, you are welcome for the vids.
Great pair of guns! Thank you for your time and effort!
You are welcome! Thank you for watching!
Great test !! I like how the smoke comes out the bullet entrance hole in the slo mo !! Thanks for the video !!
Thanks. And thanks for watching!
Never tire of learning something new. Thank you.
Love the ammo tests! I’m such a ballistics/terminal performance nerd. Right up my alley. Fine job on the double action too. It’s definitely a perishable skill that requires dedication to learn and continued practice to maintain. I’ll let you know if I ever consider myself proficient 🙂
Haha! Proficiency is not my goal. I just want to get where i don't embarrass myself.
Gel Nerd? Then, you must also be a fan of TNoutdoors9 on YT. th-cam.com/users/tnoutdoors9
Sir, I always enjoy your informative and fun videos! Very much appreciated 👍
I appreciate that comment. And thank you for watching!
@@TargetSuite my pleasure! Every chance I get.... I learned so much....
man so good to see you back my friend. yeah im late and just catching up on your videos, late but welcome back!!
Thank you!. It's good to be back and I'm having more fun than ever. I'm really amazed that any of you guys came back to watch my stuff!
Another good one Señor George! I’ve been looking at the revolver too but I want a 4” barrel. Not so concealable but the benefits of the extra 2” is worth it. I appreciate your analysis of your trigger pull because I tend to flinch that same way, low and left, pushing the gun at the target.
If it were me, I would get the 4-inch Barrel as well.
@@TargetSuite i find the extra sight radius really helps fine tuning the double action pull. If you’re doing something wrong it shows up readily but if you do everything right- I dunno, the bullet goes where you point it from a revolver that feels good to carry. Hard to verbalize but you know it when you’re shooting it, lol.
Pick up a late model S&W 66. They are vastly improved from the original design, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. GP100 is also a good option.
Good video, thanks. .357Magnum is one of my carry rounds, so I appreciate these videos.
You are welcome! Thanks for watching!
Awesome video and I am a .357 guy even for hunting whitetails, and rifle and pistol it’s that Barns hand down.
Very interesting video, really enjoyed and appreciated it
Thanks. I appreciate your comment
Another very good video George!! Thank You! It was very interesting to see the 700fps velocity difference from revolver to rifle. I didn't think it would be that much. I'm a huge proponent of the handgun/rifle in the same caliber. The 357s and 44s are my favorites. Thanks Again!
Thanks for your comment, and thanks for watching!
Back again. I really enjoy the pace of "y_our" videos. So easy to listen to with a cup of coffee and the music selection is fine with me. Thank you.
Thanks Ken! I always appreciate your comments and support!! More combo videos coming
Great ammunition test I learned something new anytime I watch your channel 👍
Thanks. I appreciate your comment. I certainly want to make entertaining content, but at the same time share what I learn along the way.
Enjoyed the video, and hello from northeast Louisiana.
Hey neighbor!
Good job, great video
Thanks Ken!
I appreciate your videos! I started out on double action Smith revolvers years ago, and then went to semi-auto's. Over the years, I made sure my wife and daughter adopted revolvers as their go to guns! I was gifted a lever action Marlin in 1895 357, and have used it as my camping rifle for several years. I think the158 gr, or 170 gr loads I use, would certainly 'knock the snot' out of anything up to a grizzly in the US of A. Love that 92 you're using. Your tests show just how much a rifle adds to a 38 or 357 with a 18" barrel.
Thanks for your comment, and thank you for watching!
Doin great George. I was trained the same with double action, only to keep the finger tip on the trigger all the way through. Even though I have small hands, I like your method better. Never found double action necessary, but now we have a number of DAO pistols, so it's a good skill, even though every gun/trigger is different. Good Luck
With a gun as small as small as this SP101 the fingertip method wouldn't work for me. I will try to borrow a full size 357 mag try this again., maybe comparing the two. Another video? Yep😉
My Ruger SP 101x is the 3” barrel. I love mine! It a Ruger tank. You had me with the lever action though. I’m bookmarking you next to Paul Harrel and Hockock45. Thank you for the video.
I have the SP101 .357 with a six inch barrel. This week I ordered a bag of Wolff springs from MidwayUSA to adjust a few triggers in a couple of pistols. The DA is almost more than I can do now with the old hands and original springs. Also, I mostly use .38 SPL for target shooting in my .357s. The old Dillon SDb is set up and I can shoot, wipe the case and reload in a very short time.
Enjoyed the video. Thank you for your work making them.
Hi Ken I got the same Springs and a bunch of gems to keep the hammer and other components centered. And I have a great article on reworking that SP101. If I can remember I will send you the link.
As allways some good shooting and good info
Thanks! I always appreciate your comments!
Good stuff my friend.
Thank you sir!
My heart goes out to you for your loss. God bless you and your family. Keep the videos coming. Thanks and good shooting.
Thanks Chris!
I see Buffalo Bore has some pretty cool data:
180gr LFN-GC cast lead:
1,375 fps (4") 756 fpe
1,851 fps (18.5") 1,370 fpe (614 gained)
Yardage at which rifle-fired bullet returns to 4" barrel velocity, assuming still air conditions: ~165 yards. In effect, the rifle allows you to make a 4" revolver point-blank shot from 165 yards away with this load. Assuming 1,000 fpe for deer harvesting, that happens at ~ 90 yards (from rifle).
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158gr JHC (looks like Speer Deep Curl):
1,485 fps (4") 774 fpe
2,153 fps (18.5") 1,627 fpe (853 gained)
Yardage at which rifle-fired bullet returns to 4" barrel velocity, assuming still air conditions: ~170 yards. In effect, the rifle allows you to make a 4" revolver point-blank shot from 170 yards away with this load. Assuming 1,000 fpe for deer harvesting, that happens at ~ 110 yards (from rifle).
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125gr JHC (looks like Speer Deep Curl):
1,603 fps (4") 713 fpe
2,298 fps (18.5") 1466 fpe (753 gained)
Yardage at which rifle-fired bullet returns to 4" barrel velocity, assuming still air conditions: ~140 yards. In effect, the rifle allows you to make a 4" revolver point-blank shot from 140 yards away with this load. 1,000 fpe happens at ~ 70 yards (from rifle). ***I don't recommend 125gr for deer!
I'd imagine those would bump a little more with 20" barrel. Impressive energy gained from going to a carbine, more than double! I used a ballistic calculator for additional data above, using Buffalo Bore's ballistic coefficient stats on those exact projectiles.
It's a very comprehensive comment. Thank you for all that data!
@@TargetSuite Not a problem! I'm a bit of a statistical geek so I don't mind.
Great video thanks,and thank you for walking around in the water
Thank you. And the water, it was . . . everywhere!
Excellent video. 👍
Thanks!
Good stuff! Gonna have to practice the two-stage pull!
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Another good video. I enjoy watching your videos. Maybe I can help with the trigger pull. With double action and striker fired guns, I find that focusing on the front sight, and thinking "sha-boom" really smooths out the trigger pull. It takes a few shots to get the hang of it, but it really helped me. Might be worth a try. Thanks for the videos.
Good idea. I'll put that in the bag for later work.
This is great! Sometimes people have a difficult time fathoming the difference in power between a .357 Mag in a revolver and carbine/rifle. This definitely helps to demonstrate the disparity. The slow motion reveals the degree of hydrostatic shock taking place. I'm also curious about the difference in expansion, penetration, and fragmentation of these rounds.
Thanks for your comment. It was a good one. And yes I did leave out close-ups of the bullets. I just ran out of time. But as I said in another comment I will dig those out and post some pics and information about them.
Nice job!
Thanks!
Thanks for the video...I missed the part where we see the 4 different bullets after being removed from the gel and comparing them all.
Yep. I just ran out of time before having to hit the road. And the gel was just too short up to do a flyover like I did last week. I'll try and post some pics of the bullets tomorrow or Sunday on my TH-cam community page.
Hi George, I have to say your idea of the foam under the jell blocks is awesome! Sure took all the jell hop out off the first block. It looked like you were pulling the trigger with the first joint of the finger. When I do that it makes most of my shots pull left and low. I pull about halfway between the first joint and the finger tip take up the "slack" in the trigger till e hit the wall the squeeze through the pull. Just saying that's worked for me. Flinch is something I found I do when the shot surprises me. With practice one can know when it's going to go bang. It's great to have you back.
Hi Terry. I'm pulling with the joint because that revolver is so small.
@@TargetSuite okay I see. Never had one of those in my hand. Practice will pay off.
Another good content full of information. I did a similar comparison of my 44sbh and marlin with 7.5 gr of unique great results. When I had to qualify with the TDCJ I had to relearn the double action muscle memory says put it in single action.
Thanks Rusty!
Good job brother, keep them coming
Thanks! I've got stuff in the mill, so to speak.
@@TargetSuite I enjoy your videos, it’s interesting seeing you learn new tricks, I just feel like I can shoot a double action pretty good but I’ve never actually thought about how I do it, it seems like it just works, but your way is very interesting and probably would be a really good way to teach beginners, thank you for sharing
That’s something to try on my s&w centennial with no exposed hammer and a squeeze safety.
Sounds like a project!
Purchased a Vaquero 44 mag. last year. Not cheap, nor something I would normally do. But it is a beautifully designed firearm.
I LOVE the .357 mag. rifle/pistol combo!
The same for the .45 LC rifle/pistol combo!
Those vids are coming up. Stay tuned!
There are two excellent vids on YT covering .357 M vs .44 M, one revolvers, one lever rifles. The one covering revolvers totally dispels some of the generally accepted myths you hear in gun stores, such as a snub nose barrel length totally neuters the .357 M. Proper etiquette is don't mention competing channels by name, esp active ones, without permission.
Dry fire practise, when looking at TV in the evening, builds the correct muscles for the staging trigger, but the emphasis is NO AMMO nearby!
Well we may get a few sticklers to jump in on this, but I agree with you. And I have spent time like that in front of the TV getting to know Firearms before.
@@TargetSuite as long as Your wife is ok with it, and You don't have houseguest or children at home. The children may say something at school that makes people react the wrong way. Take care!
Finally I get a pointer to help shoot my SP101 and S&W 642. Doing dry firing at home it feels good, I will be at the range Friday for the ultimate verdict. Thanks, I will smile.
Good for you! Have fun!
@@TargetSuite I did get to the range and am happy with the results. All shots were on target with my SP101 and S&W 642.
The comparison of the temporal stretch cavity was great.
Really gives one an idea what that extra barrel length will do.
Like those solid copper rds just $pricey$
Yes, those bullets are definitely not plinking rounds. But for hunting or personal defense I think they make a great choice.
The SP101 is one of my favorite handguns. The 92 is a great design. Did I miss the penetration and expansion measurements?
Im a minute 43 into the vid.. I tell ya what, I have recently got into 357.. with a henry, 6.5" blackhawk, and gp100.. I really am loving this round for pistol caliber rifle hunting in southern Michigan. It really performs in the henry 20" bbl.
I'm jealous of your revolvers. But I filled a big hole this week with the 44 mag Vaquero. Now I'm on the hunt for a .357 mag.
Another nice video! My wife also has a 2" SP101. I spent a lot time trying to find a load she can shoot and still be effective. I settled on a 180 gr hard cast wide front traveling at about 880' fps. Recoil is very manageable and is hits harder than a 9mm 115 out of a 5" barrel.
That's an interesting load for a small personal defense handgun like that. I I'm a big fan of the wide flat nose cast bullets that they do penetrate until next week. So that has to be considered.
@@TargetSuite Understood on the penetration. I can share the details of the load but not publicly.
Good video George. My wife carries the Ruger LCR 38Sp which is hammerless. Takes up very little space in the purse. Pretty good shooting on the silhouette. It appears a sight in from a rest is needed. You were very consistent with lower left hits.
Hi Max. I really do need to practice a lot more.
Sure miss ya George, I wish you the best and looking forward to your return
Keep working with that sp101 I have a 3in version and it took some time but with full house magnums I’m getting pretty good.
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That's interesting ! Trigger spring a little weak at 4:54 ? We loosened up a Rossi .44 lever gun changing some springs and once in awhile it will miss fire like that .
Haha! No. I had the tang safety on "safe". Good eye though.
You found the sweet spot!
Barnes Bullets really are The Sweet Spot
George, another excellent video, greatly enhanced by the Felix the Cat clock!
Thanks and I love that Kit Kat Klock. Memories of childhood.
Thanks
Thank you for watching!
Ross Seyfried had a thing or three to say about DA shooting. He found it to be more accurate than when firing in single action mode. It was harder to anticipate ignition of the cartridge. Point blank? That's not a close distance thing, George. But you already knew that! :))
Glad to see you generating content!
Thanks Tom. Your two cents always seems to be worth at least a nickel😄
@@TargetSuite That's pretty funny!
a wonderful video .iam disabled now but not helpless and not complaining but conquering. being a senior citizen ,older guy I am returning back to old school training that worked then and will now.even young people have trouble holding a pistol still, this works for me and I teach it. double action shooting_ both eyes open concrete front sight and target .to help with wobble make a line with front sigh movement 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock,left - right passing bullseye and when ready for center squeeze trigger. some of us old------er timers use 6 o'clock - 12 o'clock, up - down movement . try it you might like it and shoot more consistent double action. start slow, comfortable, don't rush the trigger. as time goes shoot a little bit faster in progressive stages finding your limitations and build on them bettering your self. count all shots and misses. don't try excuse them , correct the and any undesirable habits like flinch , trigger jerk. sometimes we need to start at the old trails to find new beginnings. nanna and papa love you
Great suggestions! I'll try your clock face sweeps. Thanks!
I gotta say , I can listen to a good leaver action being cooked all day and some pretty cool sound. I'm after a 66 Henry in 44mag or 44 / 70 but there a little pricey here in Australia 🇦🇺
I was struggling with double action shooting as well. What made all the difference in the world for me was laser trainers. You can shoot as much as you want without burning ammo, in the comfort of your own home (proper precautions taken obviously) and there's no recoil so you can practice staging and smooth trigger pulls without distraction. I spent awhile with the laser system, and then confirmed that the skills translated over to live fire. Flinching is pretty much a thing of the past. They're also a great teaching tool for new shooters to get the feel of a real firearm without the noise and kick. Then when they go out to the range for the real thing, it's not as much of a plunge right into the deep end of the pool.
Obviously there's a significant investment since you have to buy the targets, plus laser cartridges for every chamber in your revolver if you want to shoot continuously, but you can burn that cost in ammunition very quickly these days and not get as much practice. Plus you only have to feed a five rounder. I had to fill seven and I still feel it was worth it.
I went with the Laser Ammo i-MTTS system which is an absolute hoot to shoot since they link up to each other wirelessly and have several types of drills programmed into them. They're like steel plates, you can set them up in a row or spread them out across the room, whatever you feel like. The targets use AAA batteries and the laser cartridges use little 3-cell watch batteries that last surprisingly long, especially since the load is spread out across multiple units in a revolver. They'll happily power a thousand shots and they're not horrifically expensive to replace. Everything I need was found on Amazon and Optics Planet, which was cheaper than buying directly from the manufacturer website. There are other brands that are probably equally fun and useful, I just can't speak to them directly as I've not tried them.
Just a note, you can get visible or infrared lasers. I recommend visible. IR is a bit more realistic I suppose, but every firearm zeroes a bit differently with the laser cartridges and it pays to be able to see exactly what's going on so you're not frustrated just trying to learn the behavior of the system. The red dot isn't the least bit distracting in my opinion. On my gun I really can't even see it as it's behind the sights 99% of the time.
I appreciate you reminding me about the laser trainer. I have one version but I only have inserts to fit my 45 ACP 1911. Hmm . . .
My father used to have an SP 101 before it got stolen.
I liked the lines of it but it was a gun that essentially everybody had a difficult time shooting well.
Worse none of the ammo we tried in 357 or 38 was anywhere close to the point of aim. Even shooting is carefully as possible and getting decent groups it was clear that at about 40 ft you had to be aiming more than a foot off to get your point of impact where you wanted it. Eventually I put fluorescent orange paint on the very bottom serration square thing of the front ramp. And by putting that square directly on top of the line that defines the top of the gutter site, I found a aiming hold that consistently worked well with standard Remington 125 grain JHP 357.
There's a gun I really wanted to like but just didn't. I've wanted to try a GP100 for years but there's a part of me that's afraid I will have the same experience.
Great comment. Thanks!
great video how a practiced to get "good" was do a count of 4 and a whole hand squeeze so like one hammer back for is the pop two and three between
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Great stuff George, love my sp101, but even at 25 oz it can be a handful lol! 👍😃✌️🇺🇸
Yep. It is no fun with hot loads!
The 2.25" SP101 with .357 loads does produce an impressive muzzle blast. 😁
Yes. I've got some great slo-mo of full house loads at dusk in another video. The ring of fire was impressive!
I load 16.0 grs 296 under 158gr XTP. Fairly hot load, and a hoot to shoot in my 2.25” SP 101
Outstanding, enjoyable video as always 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Is super vel ammo still arround,its hot.
@@ironhorse127 Thanks!
Try practicing your double action pull with an empty 357 casing on top of the gun. The goal is to pull as fast as you can without letting the casing fall off the gun.
That my friend is a lofty goal. But I may try it in private someday when no one is looking😄
@@TargetSuite Just start slow and build up your speed.
Put about a hundred empties in you pocket so your don't have to bend over so much picking up the one case. Also, it gets easier to do if you put a gob of hot glue under the case. It doesn't seem to fall off as much.
When I loaded for the 357 I would put a faster powder like Unique in those for my revolver and then a magnum powder like H110 or Lilgun in those for my rifle. Worked pretty good.
Good thinking. I really didn't optimize the loads for the revolver. But I was also surprised at the Barnes rounds in the Ruger. I know they were made for a handgun.
George, thanks for video! I was struck by the nice condition of your Winchester 92. I'm guessing it's a newly manufactured one? Lovely rifle! ---TPf
Yes that is a Japanese manufacturered Winchester '92. The folks at Miroku do fantastic work. I would dare say even better than the original Winchester's
@@TargetSuite Thanks for your reply. Feels good to make human contact. Love the vidios--Te
I stage a DA trigger until I speed up. It works. You'll find a bunch of naysayers that will tell you that you're wrong and can't say why.
Thanks. I think it's going to be a good interim tool. Not sure what would be a whole lot better. But I admit to being a humble rookie😉
Interesting.
Shooting double action is a skill that must be practiced and it perishes over times if you don't practice. Back many years ago I was law enforcement certified. Long enough back double action revolvers were the weapon of choice. We were trained to not stage the trigger but to learn to pull through smoothly. It is tough but can be done. Another thing I learned is that a good percentage of officers are abysmal shots. A few are very good but most are not.
Thanks for the input. No doubt, an "emergency" will almost certainly demand a straight pull through. And that is an admirable goal. But for recreational shooting, the stage will work for me, especially with a revolver like this one that has an abysmal DA pull.
Staging double action shooting is the road to hell. One smooth pull.
I really liked your last video. Is there factory loads of that ammo you were trying out? Or were those reloads?
Those were reloads.
I'm on a similar path.....trying to work up a home defense round that will work with both my Dad's old S&W model 10 and my Rossi 16" R92.....good info here, thank you!
Good luck!
i like interchangeable versitile cartridges like these,
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Yes sir. Double action shooting is the way to go. I have been shooting double action since the '80's along with many of my friends in competition. Shooting is out to 50 yards in comp and out to 100 yards for fun. Most people are amazed at how well those guys shoot. It does take practice but that's part of the fun. Try using a two hand grip to see how it goes. You have the basics of the trigger pull and practice will refine it.
Thanks. It's good to know I'm on the right track.
I smiled when you cocked the SP to practice your double action trigger pull. Wasn’t laughing at you more of laughing with you. I used to own only double actions revolvers and shot all of them single action. Now I own mostly single actions because I might as well put 25+ years of muscle memory to practical use.
Haha! I'm glad somebody was paying attention😄 The double action Journey will probably be a fairly short one. Born out of curiosity and a desire to share that with you guys and girls. But most of my handguns will be single action because I have learned to love the concept.
If you use 2 hand with that SP101 you'll shoot more accurately.
Nice video, I enjoyed it.
Yes. That was a worst case scenario. Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching!
Hey. GEORGE
This ting you're doing is quite the storm for learning your pistol! According to what I can see , it is turning out to be a great testing device. .357 cartridges are plenty strong for that caliber of pistol. I'm glad to have chosen that caliber too for my edc handgun. The rifle does it way better justice the longer barrel makes that much difference. You're on to something and I thank you for this video. How do you. Like it otherwise? For one thing it is incredibly light and the weight is missing. My 357 Service-Six weights a lot more. Makes me want to consider it a toy , but I know that's not right. I actually prefer the heavier weight of my Service-Six. It has a nice feel to it.
The short barrel SP101 is too light for sport shooting. A longer barrel or perhaps even a Security Six?
Yeah revolver loads are just a bit shorter than regular loads but it’s enough to get jammed in the carbine
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Was kicking around the idea of getting the Rossi 357/38 but after watching several reviews, I've decided to wait for Ruger to put out their version of the Ruger Marlin 357/38 Gonna go with quality.
That's probably a good idea. And I think that pistol caliber 1894 is not that far away.
Awesome In order to maximize the velocities and the downrange KE with the 20 in. barrel, you HAVE TO USE the heaviest bullets for higher BC. and SLOW burning powder like Lil gun,, H 110 VV 110. Shooters Choice Major etc. The latter is also the. cleanest. followed by the VV 110.With that combo you have a 400 500 yds rifle that sounds like a rifle
approaching the ballistics of the 7.62 x 39. from the 16in AKs
Great info. Thanks!
I just bought 357 pistol rounds for my 357 rifle today didn't think there was a difference
ya that 700 fps almost triples the energy in the winchester ,last batch I load for a carbine was 125 gr with 19.5 gr of 4227 behind it quite a bit slower powder no good for a pistol but not bad in a rifle easily over 2000 fps . One thing I found you have to watch a bit for lead deposits in a rifle if you not using jacket bullets because of the velocity gains .
Thanks. I appreciate your comment! And you are right, nobody likes lead in their Barrel
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Havnt shot a sp 101,i have 2 ruger lcr revolvers are easy to stage in double action.right handed shooting can make the shot go left pulling the trigger in double action.
Thanks! It's that pulling I'm trying to avoid. But at my age I may be setting goals that are out of reach😉
Good job on staging that revolver trigger, enough dry fire and I bet it becomes second nature...major diff between bullet speeds on the short and long barrels....I doubt 38 cal would be as dramatic a speed difference, as I imagine the powder would be used up about halfway down the rifle barrel
Thanks for your comment Robert!
First day out after weeks of rain:
Love 357 158g soft points for hunting.
I love that your back. Do you get a case bulge on your 357 mag cases shot from your 92's, have read it's common. My Rossi 92 leaves a very small bulge about 3/16 inch up from the rim. Would make a good video.
Interesting question. I will check out. Thanks!
I had the same bulging case problem on a Henry 357mag Big Boy. It's from a cut in the chamber which should be smooth, so a defective barrel. Henry replaced the barrel and had it back in a week, GREAT service from them. I'd contact Rossi
I have an older Inter-arms Rossi m92 357mag. I had some case bulges with 357.I took it to gunsmith @ local shop he shot w ith 38 s . He asked if it was used for cowboy shooting. Suggested a good cleaning to remove carbon build up. Have not noticed bulges since.
I enjoy your work! I purchased an 1873 Winchester (love it) and found it doesn't like swc bullets. I'm wanting to buy a lever rifle in 357 and wanted to ask if there are any rifles that will shoot swc bullets reliably? Thanks! Also you should try the 38 wadcutter in the gel! Keep up the great work 👍
I don't know why lever action rifles wouldn't shoot semi wadcutter bullets. I did notice they seem to feed a little bit rough in my Rossi. But I think that would probably be worked out.
I also had trouble with swc in my winchester 94. It seems that the front edge of the swc driving band was getting hung up on the very square cut, chamber lead. I have heard that the 92s had the same trouble because of the similar feed angles. For my purposes I had no attatchment to the swc and switched to a standard flat nose bullet. I hadn't heard that the 73s had the same problem but with their straight line feeding I would think that a mild chamfer on the chamber lead would solve it. Something to talk to a gunsmith about to see if that is appropriate.
In the 1873 the 250 gr swc will get stuck from the mag tube into the lifting block and if it doesn't get stuck it's a bear to feed into the chamber. Easier to single feed them. Now I'm reloading with 250gr round nose flat points 🙄 Just wished I didn't make a coffee can full of swc's lol. Swc's were made for my evil Roy 1873 and ruger new vaquero. Wished I never bought the ruger but that is another story!
@@nicke3276 I am experienced with 73s but no expert and these kind of problems are difficult to diagnose without see for ones self and with such limited information. That being said my initial thoughts are that your over all cartridge length may be a tad too long. Besides that I would check all of the cartridge dimensions to be sure they're within spec. After that I would look for burrs in the action that might be keeping the cartridge from passing through properly. After some thought I realized that I know a few who shoot swc in Uberti 73s with no probs, at least as 38spl in 357 mag guns. That Lee 158 gr swc tumble lube bullet has been quite popular with bullet casters in cowboy action.
One other thing I'd like to.mention just in case you didn't know it yet, with all of the lever action hot rodding that George has been doing you should be aware that your 73 is not the gun to be doing that with. That toggle action just isn't strong enough to be pushing alot of max pressure loads through.
I hope you get this figured out without too much pain. Happy Trails
@@richardelliott9511 Yes sir THANKS! This is strictly a fun freedom seed planter. No heavy loads! Just cowboy stuff! I'm just doing a little research for my next lever action for heavier loads. Either 357 of 44 mag!
George, looks like you definitely got some avid shooters talking about this video. I've been cogitating on this one and went back to that series on the Ruger 22 cal pistol problems, but most of all, back to the video August 11, 2020 - a pistol caliber carbine with power, the Ruger Deerfield, ( that was great video). Without getting into projectile coefficients and ballistics - one point I lost some direction on with this video. I'm I correct in that you put the same pistol caliber ammo in a rifle? If so wouldn't the variation in lands and grooves, (rifling), make a real big difference primarily on accuracy of pistol ammo in the rifle? The 2" barrel obviously impacts velocity. Maybe a better way to ask - are pistol lands and grooves the same as rifles with same caliber? If not won't you damage the 1892 barrel using pistol ammo, and have a loss in accuracy? Apologies for long question, which can probably be answered " yes". The discharge pressure will also vary in discharging bullet from rifle versus pistol increasing distance? Thanks.
I have never heard anyone mention a difference in the rifling design that would result in damage to one or the other. I do know that ammunition optimized for a 2in Ruger SP101 will perform poorly in the longer Barrel Winchester and a vice versa. And really this was not about performance per se but just demonstrating the effect of barrel length when it comes to Velocity and also impact on the jail. I didn't really mean to argue for much more than just the basic facts. Thanks for your comment, and thank you for watching!
Sounds a little wet down there. Been watching Ryan Hal Y'all, looks like you've had a lot of wind, rain, tornados. Does the 101 cylinder rub on the frame when open and rotated? Mine did, sent it back and they said that's the way they are.
I'll have to check. But I don't remember it rubbing when the cylinder was open
Would have liked to see the results of how much penetration and how the bullets looked. Which one performed better in the carbine?
Sorry that I left all of that out. I will share details soon.
Only time I used the dbl action on the targets was when I had to qualify in the RCMP. My model 10 with a 5" bbl was a really sweet revolver, but I would practice with my model 12 air weight with a 2" before the quals. I'd love to know what my 44 mag reloads would do with a chronograph between the rifle and revolver. I make sure to label my ammo because I load different for the 2. My wrists don't like the heavy recoil of hot loads any more. Thanks George.
Thanks! Good suggestion. I'll do a similar vid with the new Vaquero and my 44 mag 1892. But the difference won't be quite as stark between the 7.5" barrel and the 20" as itc was between the 2.5"and the 20" in this video.
@@TargetSuite I remember the first time I noticed the velocity change between my model 19 6" and my Marlin 357. It was Winchester Silvertip ammo I was shooting at a quarry and the noticeable difference between the two hitting at 100 yrds. It really surprised me with the muzzle velocity. No chronograph but didn't need one to see the difference.
Surprised that the velocities increase to that degree from revolver to rifle - albeit, the revolver is short barreled... I can only think that the powders are fairly slow burning so continue burning well past the 2" of the revolver continuing to push velocity. And I thought you did good with your DA shooting.
The first shot from the Winchester was a light primer hit, required a second hit or was his Winchester a later model with a safety. It would be a better test with firing at least 5 shots to determine velocity data. Paul Harrell does a good chronograph and accuracy test.
I appreciate your comment. That was a safety issue not a light primer strike. And I agree, if I was doing real accuracy work, 3 or 5 shots on the chronograph would be more appropriate.
I have a double action revolver, shoot it some double enough to hit with it but I generally single it . I have shot some autos that are da/sa and the first shot is da and it’s more of a visual of the hammer position in staging. 🤷♂️ that just me . My trigger finger is in the same place weather it’s sa or da .
Great input. Thanks Chris!
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the lever on my winchester 1892 does not close with hollow point bullets. winchester confirms this since bullets are too long for the 1892. so how did this work for you with the hollow point bullets?
I haven't had any problems with hollow point bullets of any type in my 1892. But the lever on my 1892 will not close when I use heavy wide flat nose cast bullets from Montana bullet works.
@@TargetSuite going to call the tech department at Winchester to get specific bullet manufacturers. these bullets hang out farther than the soft flat types.
I get 1790 for barnes in my hr single shot rifle. It has a 22 inch barrel. U get about 100 fps more in ur rifle.
That's really interesting! And doesn't make a lot of sense. I would have thought the longer barrel would always generate more velo.
@@TargetSuite maybe powder burns out and bullet drags??? Idk
I’ve always wanted a .357 magnum and when I can afford the nicest one ever then I’ll buy a revolver in .357 but until then I’m gonna wait..
Colt python
Check out Colt Trooper Mk III. They’re cheaper than Python and did duty as police weapons all over the place. The two I’ve owned shot as well as the Python in my experience and were considerably cheaper in price, not quality.
@@robertlennihan3113 yes
@@dr.froghopper6711 I will check it out!
@Robert Lennihan Definitely top of the Heap
Are their any 357 rounds that will hit the 2000fps out of a carbine barrel?
Oh yes. Check last week's video.
Is the 357 rifle significantly quieter than the handgun?
Both rounds did well but I think the XPB had a little more thump in the gel. I think one of the biggest issues with pulling the trigger on double action is the variety of pull weights. Some are 4 to 5lbs on the lighter end & others 10 to 12lbs. Hard to switch from one to the other. Very good video. Love the 357 in a 92 & revolver. Thanks for your time.
Yep. The XPB definitely "outgunned" the XTP.
Is it true self defense .357 isn’t the best through carbines because it goes too fast and doesn’t perform well as a result?