Enjoyed the all Canadian show on truth wanted. You guys were amazing. Glad you and Armin are representing. Your voices are some of the most important to me. Thanks for your efforts to highlight bad ideas.
Thanks Andy! Glad you could catch the show, it was pure coincidence we're both in Canada, it was not planned. It's good to see your comment here too, I'll keep the efforts going!
Nice to see you highlighting some of the toxic elements of Christianity! I found that vid funny, as at least they made Jesus brown, but they still didn’t give him black hair 😂
Don’t get fooled, if atheist have the full numbers, manpower, they will erase all religions, they are tolerant today because they don’t have the manpower yet! They are Muhammad in Mecca, they are ahead of Muhammad of medhina When they have full power, number like in Roman Empire they used slaughter All Christians, get them full power, Muhammad of Medina will be in control.. Like china, Russia communist.. Don’t fool people.. Yo re tolerate today , because you still standing in Mecca the intention is hidden but visible.. They are just hypocrites, atheists hiding behind moral or subjective truths..
I don't know of any Christian sect other than Catholicism that observe Ash Wednesday (My only religious exposure was Catholicism. I had a LOT of questions; including: "why isn't anyone else's forehead a hot mess?)
I don't know how to understand the critics because, as a catholic christian, I never understood the teaching as you explained in the video For example at 6:18, when we need to love "because of god" I never understood it like "because I will recieve reward and recognition from god" but more like good deeds are good in themself and if you make good deeds for pleasing others you miss all the good deeds you could do but you dont because others don't recognise them for their importance And all the stuff about seeking forgiveness, it is more a reminder that however deep you was into sin, even if we can never undo the sins you did, if you seek forgiveness you can and will become a good and worthwhile person if you want to I don't know if other christians had the same education as me or it shares more resemblance to what described in the video,I would be interested to know
Just to clarify, getting ashes is a Catholic ritual but not among most Protestant denominations. Just want to add though, that as an ex-Catholic atheist, I love your take on this. You are so right.
Thanks for tuning in, fellow atheist! Sadly, there are many common issues with Islam and Catholicism eh? And for sure, I think I saw that Anglicans and Lutherans and some other Protestants practice this as well.
@@SecularSpirityou don’t know the purpose or the birthorigne of valentine. 2 men soldiers who go to war for kill and be killed who opposed the Roman government, they want to get married and have family instead of going to ward, they god kill by the government with the priest who celebrates their wedding, they killed them as examples of othe soldiers to go fight..
Foundation of Xtianity and E$lam is the same. I dont understand how xtians can criticize something in e$lam and not recognize that Xtianity has the same concept.
Yeah seriously ... This is why I have problems with certain atheist ex-muslims collaborating with Christian apologists and evangelists. Their motives are NOT the same
@@SecularSpirit Don’t get fooled, if atheist have the full numbers, manpower, they will erase all religions, they are tolerant today because they don’t have the manpower yet! They are Muhammad in Mecca, they are ahead of Muhammad of medhina When they have full power, number like in Roman Empire they used slaughter All Christians, get them full power, Muhammad of Medina will be in control.. Like china, Russia communist.. Don’t fool people.. Yo re tolerate today , because you still standing in Mecca the intention is hidden but visible.. They are just hypocrites, atheists hiding behind moral or subjective truths..
Don’t get fooled, if atheist have the full numbers, manpower, they will erase all religions, they are tolerant today because they don’t have the manpower yet! They are Muhammad in Mecca, they are ahead of Muhammad of medhina When they have full power, number like in Roman Empire they used slaughter All Christians, get them full power, Muhammad of Medina will be in control.. Like china, Russia communist.. Don’t fool people.. Yo re tolerate today , because you still standing in Mecca the intention is hidden but visible.. They are just hypocrites, atheists hiding behind moral or subjective truths..
I personally view Islam as a sect of Christianity. And it's meaningless that human cultures shared similar behaviors that grew out of their environment and beliefs. That only goes to show that the "bible" was collected from legends, stories, myths, and cultural components edited by a tiny insignificant herder people who lived on the backside of the Southwest Asian desert, in some futile effort to "prove" they were just as sophisticated as more advanced cultures around them.
That's an interesting view, I can see it. I feel like Islam evolved out of Christianity, and Judaism even more so. These organized religions often are created, like you said, to establish and justify economic or political power.
@@SecularSpiritathéisme communist too! Athéisme socialiste to are seeking that same power to justify their existence.. Once they have that power, China humans machine will be justified.. Right now atheist are playing hypocrisy of humanity, give them manpower like in china, these same humanist politicians athéist will become Jim ping, Putin, stanlin., Atheist are hypocrites The Muhammad of Mecca attitude! Once they get to medhina- the ton will change Don’t you want to see a whole like stanlin Where all religions with a god are disapered? Atheist are hypocrites cunning, we know what you are ahead of
whoah - TV and cake...yeah, I get that - but 'good grades'? Is this a PragerU video? They just really want to keep the people ignorant, don't they. Thanks for making this well thought out video - I've just seen a famous ex Muslim mock the proposition that illegal settlements are a bad thing - he seemed to be implying that settler colonialism isn't even really a thing, so I needed this palette cleanser.
An attempt to be relatable to the youths, perhaps? And glad I could provide that palette cleanser. Which famous ex-Muslim was it? There's a couple talking about this subject right now.
@@SecularSpirit it was AP - he made a short/tiktok standing outside an 'artists colony' in Jerusalem, and sarcastically remarked something like ' here it is - here's all the colonisation going on', while David Wood laughed in the background. He's lost all sense of critical awareness.
I had a feeling it was him...you know I'm making a video criticizing him and David Wood right now and it honestly isn't motivated because I am Palestinian. Just the double standard of Islam/Christianity that Wood is promoting @@bengreen171
@@SecularSpirit yes - I remember you mentioned you were looking into him. I think it's well worth it because he's turned from a real positive influence for anyone involved in the ex Muslim world to a real negative. To be honest I'd kinda forgot your Palestinian heritage, so you don't have to worry about disclaimers. If you want a really good example of AP being what I would call a positive 'role model' for good critical thinking, there's a stream he did on the channel Digital Gnosis about a year ago where he discussed his then recent debate with Haqiqatchou - the contrast between that stream and the ones he does with David Wood are quite stark. I have some sympathy for him, because he's a foreigner in a foreign land and it seems that he's latched onto Wood and found a friendship there - but it's a very poisonous one.
2:20 This is hardly the same thing considering we are talking about a man who hasn't layed a finger on a child in an inappropiate manner like Muhammed did. 4:02 As for love do you understand what love is? Especially if it's a love that's a choice and loving God is a choice not an enforced thing. 5:38 Several problems with this if the person has gone to hell look as harsh as it is to say this it is 100% entirely on that person considering God is doing everything in his grace and power for you to co operate with God this is also stated several times in Christian theology because God cannot stand sin and second off incase you have this misconception of God sending people to hell. The knowledge of sin and knowing what type of sin you are committing without knowing it is a whole different topic. “God predestines no one to go to hell; for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end” (CCC 1037). We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: "He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."612 Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.613 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell." (CCC 1033) Yes God is aware of the choices you will make in the future, but God is not responsible for those choices you are hence free will. "Created you with the capacity to sin" No he didn't if you are implying he originally wanted us in a state of sin. "Although it is proper to each individual, original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants." [405] "If God loves you" If God didn't you would be nonexistant. 7:12 "Recognition and deeds from God" Ya I sort of fail to see what the problem is here. "Can't it be any more selfish" How is it selfish? Considering the Christian is to be charitable and loving towards this neighbors? Again I fail to see what the problem here besides you having theological issues with this. 8:00 Ash wednsday isn't mandatory nor is it a day of obligation also on the side note when I am doing charity work hell isn't on my mind just letting you know. 8:08 Again that is not what we believe, we don't know who gets sent to hell not even the Church has this authority to know. Also are you saying every nonbeliever? Depends on the nonbeliever. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience-those too may achieve eternal salvation" (CCC 847). Off topic if God is real and has created this reality and everything within it with all the laws of physics and everything else that we came to understand today including objective morality what is good and what is evil (Evil is an absent of good) with this knowledge why wouldn't you follow God if he is the very being or existence it's self? 8:28 Again wrong we do value this life. Before we get into this and me typing a whole paragraph. What are your views on abortion? And lastly what is the point of the goal of life in your view? 8:50 The leap of faith is also true for Atheism as well which in and of it's self is a leap of faith and depending on what type of atheist you are has roots to certain ideas, philosophies, structure and ideologies being formed throughout history.
If you want, you can come on my channel for a livestream and we can go through all these points you made. I've heard your points before and I have responses for them, but I think it would be better to share it in a video many can watch rather than one comment.
Glad I did not grow up taught those beliefs and that I left religion and spirituality. Appreciate your videos and viewpoints. Sorry to hear you did not have a Valentine, if that is important to you.
I will and do like EVERY video in which you are criticising Christianity, please keep it up man (like as in 'click the like button', that is 🤣, some of your videos do make me a bit sulky). This is Immanuel Kant, The Critique of Judgement (excerpts): "... instead of a feeling of the sublimity of our own nature, submission, prostration, and a feeling of utter helplessness seem more to constitute the attitude of mind ... ... a temper of calm reflection and quite free judgement are required. Only when he becomes conscious of having a disposition which is upright and acceptable to God ... ... In this way religion is intrinsically distinguished from superstition, which latter rears in the mind, not reverence for the sublime, but dread and apprehension of the all-powerful Being to whose will terror-stricken man sees himself subjected, yet without according Him due honour. From this nothing can arise but grace begging and vain adulation, instead of religion consisting of good life ... ... Romances, maudlin dramas, shallow homilies ... make the heart enervated, insensitive to the stern precepts of duty, and incapable of respect for the worth of humanity in our own person and the rights of men (which is something quite other than their happiness), and in general incapable of all firm principles ..."
Thanks for sharing this as always, and I appreciate the likes. I promise you, I don't have it out for Christianity specifically. It is the general notion of faith in organized religion and I'm branching out from Islam to cover it in other major religions. Overall, there are things in Kant I like, I just don't see why we need religion to have them.
No one:
Loving God: “Love me or burn!”
Enjoyed the all Canadian show on truth wanted. You guys were amazing. Glad you and Armin are representing. Your voices are some of the most important to me. Thanks for your efforts to highlight bad ideas.
Thanks Andy! Glad you could catch the show, it was pure coincidence we're both in Canada, it was not planned. It's good to see your comment here too, I'll keep the efforts going!
love ur channel
Thank you kindly 😄
Nice to see you highlighting some of the toxic elements of Christianity!
I found that vid funny, as at least they made Jesus brown, but they still didn’t give him black hair 😂
As we both know, progress in representation can be slow and arduous 😅
@@SecularSpirit Haha, indeed! 😆
Good points made.
"Fear is the jailer of the mind, and superstition is the assassin of liberty." - Robert Ingersoll
Don’t get fooled, if atheist have the full numbers, manpower, they will erase all religions, they are tolerant today because they don’t have the manpower yet!
They are Muhammad in Mecca, they are ahead of Muhammad of medhina
When they have full power, number like in Roman Empire they used slaughter All Christians, get them full power, Muhammad of Medina will be in control..
Like china, Russia communist..
Don’t fool people..
Yo re tolerate today , because you still standing in Mecca the intention is hidden but visible..
They are just hypocrites, atheists hiding behind moral or subjective truths..
Indeed. It's crazy to think of how real that fear felt when I was a child, Hassan. Your imagination does shape your reality.
@@SecularSpirit mee too.
I lived in that fear too…
Not anymore..
@@SecularSpirit Fear jail the minds and twists reality!
I don't know of any Christian sect other than Catholicism that observe Ash Wednesday
(My only religious exposure was Catholicism. I had a LOT of questions; including: "why isn't anyone else's forehead a hot mess?)
I don't know how to understand the critics because, as a catholic christian, I never understood the teaching as you explained in the video
For example at 6:18, when we need to love "because of god" I never understood it like "because I will recieve reward and recognition from god" but more like good deeds are good in themself and if you make good deeds for pleasing others you miss all the good deeds you could do but you dont because others don't recognise them for their importance
And all the stuff about seeking forgiveness, it is more a reminder that however deep you was into sin, even if we can never undo the sins you did, if you seek forgiveness you can and will become a good and worthwhile person if you want to
I don't know if other christians had the same education as me or it shares more resemblance to what described in the video,I would be interested to know
Just to clarify, getting ashes is a Catholic ritual but not among most Protestant denominations. Just want to add though, that as an ex-Catholic atheist, I love your take on this. You are so right.
Thanks for tuning in, fellow atheist! Sadly, there are many common issues with Islam and Catholicism eh? And for sure, I think I saw that Anglicans and Lutherans and some other Protestants practice this as well.
@SecularSpirit yes, 100% so many similarities. Basically just 2 ideologies based on coercion and indoctrination by authority
@@SecularSpirit
But this book
In There Is no a God, one
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@@SecularSpiritthis is called spiritual adultery, spiritual Zina.,
@@SecularSpirit
You said you know the Bible yet?
Why does jeebus look like charles manson in that video
There were definitely some cult vibes when he's standing welcoming you on the top of the mountain.
@@SecularSpirityou don’t know the purpose or the birthorigne of valentine.
2 men soldiers who go to war for kill and be killed who opposed the Roman government, they want to get married and have family instead of going to ward, they god kill by the government with the priest who celebrates their wedding, they killed them as examples of othe soldiers to go fight..
Foundation of Xtianity and E$lam is the same. I dont understand how xtians can criticize something in e$lam and not recognize that Xtianity has the same concept.
I wonder that all the time...
Yeah seriously ... This is why I have problems with certain atheist ex-muslims collaborating with Christian apologists and evangelists. Their motives are NOT the same
@@SecularSpirit
Don’t get fooled, if atheist have the full numbers, manpower, they will erase all religions, they are tolerant today because they don’t have the manpower yet!
They are Muhammad in Mecca, they are ahead of Muhammad of medhina
When they have full power, number like in Roman Empire they used slaughter All Christians, get them full power, Muhammad of Medina will be in control..
Like china, Russia communist..
Don’t fool people..
Yo re tolerate today , because you still standing in Mecca the intention is hidden but visible..
They are just hypocrites, atheists hiding behind moral or subjective truths..
Don’t get fooled, if atheist have the full numbers, manpower, they will erase all religions, they are tolerant today because they don’t have the manpower yet!
They are Muhammad in Mecca, they are ahead of Muhammad of medhina
When they have full power, number like in Roman Empire they used slaughter All Christians, get them full power, Muhammad of Medina will be in control..
Like china, Russia communist..
Don’t fool people..
Yo re tolerate today , because you still standing in Mecca the intention is hidden but visible..
They are just hypocrites, atheists hiding behind moral or subjective truths..
The number of terror attacks by christians or jews are les than 100 in the last century. When it comes to muslims....@@SecularSpirit
I personally view Islam as a sect of Christianity. And it's meaningless that human cultures shared similar behaviors that grew out of their environment and beliefs. That only goes to show that the "bible" was collected from legends, stories, myths, and cultural components edited by a tiny insignificant herder people who lived on the backside of the Southwest Asian desert, in some futile effort to "prove" they were just as sophisticated as more advanced cultures around them.
That's an interesting view, I can see it. I feel like Islam evolved out of Christianity, and Judaism even more so. These organized religions often are created, like you said, to establish and justify economic or political power.
@@SecularSpiritathéisme communist too!
Athéisme socialiste to are seeking that same power to justify their existence..
Once they have that power, China humans machine will be justified..
Right now atheist are playing hypocrisy of humanity, give them manpower like in china, these same humanist politicians athéist will become Jim ping, Putin, stanlin.,
Atheist are hypocrites
The Muhammad of Mecca attitude!
Once they get to medhina- the ton will change
Don’t you want to see a whole like stanlin
Where all religions with a god are disapered?
Atheist are hypocrites cunning, we know what you are ahead of
@@SecularSpirit
Wow..
Did that person really know what is in bible how it is quran brother?
Thanks
And thank you!!
whoah - TV and cake...yeah, I get that - but 'good grades'? Is this a PragerU video? They just really want to keep the people ignorant, don't they.
Thanks for making this well thought out video - I've just seen a famous ex Muslim mock the proposition that illegal settlements are a bad thing - he seemed to be implying that settler colonialism isn't even really a thing, so I needed this palette cleanser.
An attempt to be relatable to the youths, perhaps? And glad I could provide that palette cleanser. Which famous ex-Muslim was it? There's a couple talking about this subject right now.
@@SecularSpirit
it was AP - he made a short/tiktok standing outside an 'artists colony' in Jerusalem, and sarcastically remarked something like ' here it is - here's all the colonisation going on', while David Wood laughed in the background. He's lost all sense of critical awareness.
I had a feeling it was him...you know I'm making a video criticizing him and David Wood right now and it honestly isn't motivated because I am Palestinian. Just the double standard of Islam/Christianity that Wood is promoting @@bengreen171
@@SecularSpirit
yes - I remember you mentioned you were looking into him. I think it's well worth it because he's turned from a real positive influence for anyone involved in the ex Muslim world to a real negative. To be honest I'd kinda forgot your Palestinian heritage, so you don't have to worry about disclaimers. If you want a really good example of AP being what I would call a positive 'role model' for good critical thinking, there's a stream he did on the channel Digital Gnosis about a year ago where he discussed his then recent debate with Haqiqatchou - the contrast between that stream and the ones he does with David Wood are quite stark. I have some sympathy for him, because he's a foreigner in a foreign land and it seems that he's latched onto Wood and found a friendship there - but it's a very poisonous one.
2:20 This is hardly the same thing considering we are talking about a man who hasn't layed a finger on a child in an inappropiate manner like Muhammed did.
4:02 As for love do you understand what love is? Especially if it's a love that's a choice and loving God is a choice not an enforced thing.
5:38 Several problems with this if the person has gone to hell look as harsh as it is to say this it is 100% entirely on that person considering God is doing everything in his grace and power for you to co operate with God this is also stated several times in Christian theology because God cannot stand sin and second off incase you have this misconception of God sending people to hell.
The knowledge of sin and knowing what type of sin you are committing without knowing it is a whole different topic.
“God predestines no one to go to hell; for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end” (CCC 1037).
We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: "He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."612 Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.613 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell." (CCC 1033)
Yes God is aware of the choices you will make in the future, but God is not responsible for those choices you are hence free will.
"Created you with the capacity to sin"
No he didn't if you are implying he originally wanted us in a state of sin.
"Although it is proper to each individual, original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants." [405]
"If God loves you"
If God didn't you would be nonexistant.
7:12 "Recognition and deeds from God"
Ya I sort of fail to see what the problem is here.
"Can't it be any more selfish"
How is it selfish?
Considering the Christian is to be charitable and loving towards this neighbors?
Again I fail to see what the problem here besides you having theological issues with this.
8:00
Ash wednsday isn't mandatory nor is it a day of obligation also on the side note when I am doing charity work hell isn't on my mind just letting you know.
8:08
Again that is not what we believe, we don't know who gets sent to hell not even the Church has this authority to know. Also are you saying every nonbeliever?
Depends on the nonbeliever.
This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience-those too may achieve eternal salvation" (CCC 847).
Off topic if God is real and has created this reality and everything within it with all the laws of physics and everything else that we came to understand today including objective morality what is good and what is evil (Evil is an absent of good) with this knowledge why wouldn't you follow God if he is the very being or existence it's self?
8:28
Again wrong we do value this life.
Before we get into this and me typing a whole paragraph.
What are your views on abortion? And lastly what is the point of the goal of life in your view?
8:50 The leap of faith is also true for Atheism as well which in and of it's self is a leap of faith and depending on what type of atheist you are has roots to certain ideas, philosophies, structure and ideologies being formed throughout history.
If you want, you can come on my channel for a livestream and we can go through all these points you made. I've heard your points before and I have responses for them, but I think it would be better to share it in a video many can watch rather than one comment.
Glad I did not grow up taught those beliefs and that I left religion and spirituality. Appreciate your videos and viewpoints. Sorry to hear you did not have a Valentine, if that is important to you.
Thanks as always Gerwalk. And nah, Valentine's isn't really on my radar, hope you had a nice one?
@@SecularSpirit Thanks for asking. Had feelings for a shared life that will never be. Had a good run also.
I will and do like EVERY video in which you are criticising Christianity, please keep it up man (like as in 'click the like button', that is 🤣, some of your videos do make me a bit sulky). This is Immanuel Kant, The Critique of Judgement (excerpts):
"... instead of a feeling of the sublimity of our own nature, submission, prostration, and a feeling of utter helplessness seem more to constitute the attitude of mind ...
... a temper of calm reflection and quite free judgement are required. Only when he becomes conscious of having a disposition which is upright and acceptable to God ...
... In this way religion is intrinsically distinguished from superstition, which latter rears in the mind, not reverence for the sublime, but dread and apprehension of the all-powerful Being to whose will terror-stricken man sees himself subjected, yet without according Him due honour. From this nothing can arise but grace begging and vain adulation, instead of religion consisting of good life ...
... Romances, maudlin dramas, shallow homilies ... make the heart enervated, insensitive to the stern precepts of duty, and incapable of respect for the worth of humanity in our own person and the rights of men (which is something quite other than their happiness), and in general incapable of all firm principles ..."
Thanks for sharing this as always, and I appreciate the likes. I promise you, I don't have it out for Christianity specifically. It is the general notion of faith in organized religion and I'm branching out from Islam to cover it in other major religions. Overall, there are things in Kant I like, I just don't see why we need religion to have them.
let bro cook