oh yeah I've seen that! Bit different to my theory because I think Macaque is a clone of Sun Wukong, but that video just thought Macaque cloned himself which would mean he didn't actually die. Of course, we now know Macaque didn't die, but it isn't really explained (maybe he just escaped into the shadows in season 1? 👀 personally, I always thought his "death" in season 1 was kind of ambiguous anyway lol). Interesting that both of us link Macaque to clones but came to completely different conclusions/ideas. Also cool they also noticed the minifigure face difference, although they attribute it to be being a mistake while I think it was on purpose ;)
RV Sketch friendship with Macaque hide his Secret from sun Wukong try to fit in and when secret got out, why fight each-other a lost friendship that's a mystery, have any theories
maybe. It could be that Macaque is a clone of Sun Wukong AND he made a clone of himself to teach MK. However, I feel like season 2 and 3 have disproven My Brick Opinions' theory, because he came back and it seems he was never dead to begin with. Plus, I'm not sure why Macaque would have a scar but his clones wouldn't. And if what My Brick Opinions said about him being a clone because he doesn't show his scar is true, that would mean in season 2 and 3 that's not the real Macaque, because we don't see his scar - seems unlikely. It seems Macaque is just wearing an illusion to hide his scar. Additionally, we've never seen Macaque being able to make actual clones - even in season 3 he can still only make shadow clones. I do think it would be interesting, but I feel it's unlikely and making Macaque a clone the whole time would just erase all his character development since it wouldn't really be him.
at 3:51 we can see that macaques eye is purple, I think this can mean that macaque used his glamour to make his eyes look like wukongs eyes and/or hide his scar
That's an interesting idea! I do feel like his eye was probably purple because he was using a lot of his power (and his power's are purple/pink themed). It would be funny if he was changing his eyes to look like Sun Wukong's 😅
It's quite interesting that the staff preferred to obey Macaque's will instead of MK's maybe Because he shares DNA with Sun Wukang, the staff can't differentiate between the two.
Yeah, I've read that Tumblr post. It's a good post, but that specific statement only applies to the book Monkie Kid is based on, not Monkie Kid itself. antidotefortheawkward-art.tumblr.com/post/656297020540223488 And, personally, I wouldn't say it's entirely accurate to say that, in the book, the Six Eared Macaque is a separate person to Sun Wukong - in the book, Sun Wukong and the Six Eared Macaque are two parts of the same person, with the Six Eared Macaque being made from Sun Wukong's mind, which that Tumblr post does go into. There's not a whole lot of information in English on this topic, but I did do a lot of research on this topic and I made this video explaining it using Chinese academic papers and quotes from the book: th-cam.com/video/c8xkjofrDUA/w-d-xo.html Also, like I mentioned in this video, the Six Eared Macaque and Sun Wukong being two parts of the same person in the book highly influences my theory that, in Monkie Kid, Macaque is a hair clone of Sun Wukong - it just makes sense for him to be made from Sun Wukong in some way, like in the book.
Actually, i have theory or at least a senario. As we all know monkie kid makes references to jttw, it isn't a direct continuation. Also, they can't talk about disturbing or dark stuff, since is a kids show. Anyway, as you recall in shadow play, macaque said that he and wukong used to be friends. Until, the latter left macaque in pursuit for more power. So here is my theory-senario. What if macaque used to be an actual macaque (i mean a normal monkey, not a demon) and he was best friends with wukong. But after monkey king returned from his quest for immortality and erased his name and his monkeys from death, he started noticing a darkness in his powers. Out of fear of hurting his people, he tried to pull out the dark side of his powers. However, these powers proved to be out of control and having a mind of its own. And macaque happened to be close (he feared for wukong's safety), so the dark powers went into him and transformed him into a demon monkey. After that, wukong decided to train macaque in order to control his new powers. I believe this would make a good origin story for macaque. And of course it would explain in a different way from the novel, why they are almost the same.
oh that's an interesting idea! Although, Monkie Kid does already have a bunch of dark and disturbing stuff in it lol (like Sun Wukong having a vision of MK disintegrating, it being revealed Sun Wukong killed Macaque, and when Syntax has that spider robot go inside him and come out through his flesh (we only see the shadow but it was pretty horrifying lol)).
@@RVSketch Yeah, you are right. It did go dark. I forgot to mention these instances. But, of course they can't go way dark. An example is that they can't show sun wukong's ability to literally take off his head or his organs (which happened a lot in the original jttw). And of course what macaque did to one of his minions once he failed (i can't write this one for many reasons, and believe me i was shocked when i found this information online).
i could be wrong but i believe that in jttw , macaque was the one who took on the form of wukong and pretended to be him, i think it was the chapter where pigsy and the monk tripitaka got pregnant drinking from that pregnancy river. and Wukong had left prior since i believe they had an arguement or so. Then Macaque appeared and faked being wukong. "The Six Eared Macaque, also known as the Fake Sun Wukong, is a major antagonist in the classic Chinese novel, Journey to the west" i got this from wiki fandom but here we are :D
yeah that's right; however, in Journey to the West the Six Eared Macaque is also very heavily implied to be part of Sun Wukong's mind. Unfortunately, if you read JTTW from a western perspective it's hard to pick up on without cultural/religious context - additionally, there aren't many English sources on this at all. However, I did some research and made a video using Chinese academic papers and JTTW quotes, explaining how the Six Eared Macaque and Sun Wukong are represented as two parts of the same mind. I'd recommend you check it out if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/c8xkjofrDUA/w-d-xo.html
You are right in season 5 someone new i still don't know the name he said to macacue who did you make a deal with i think we will find out more about macacue in season 6
when I first saw the "six eared macaque" title I thought about 2 ears are for the future. 2 ears are for the past ans 2 ears are for the present. And when he doesnt wants to hear the future and past, only now, he could hide them. Maybe thats why we usually saw his only 2 ears since he appeared?
That would be really interesting! Idk if Monkie Kid will do that, but I'd love to see a Journey to the West adaptation that has him have a pair of ears for past, present, and future! It's a very cool idea :O
@@Ruu_ku oh yeah, I saw that one! I think it's really interesting, because the Six Eared Macaque is made from Sun Wukong's mind in the book, but in that movie (Ne Zha Reborn), they seem to have made it so the Six Eared Macaque is a figment of Sun Wukong's imagination - just an alter ego he made up. I think it's a pretty cool way to adapt the characters.
I don't think that creating dark energy weapons is one of Monkey King's powers , I mean he no longer uses the staff , This is kind of the best time to use the ability but he doesn't use it or any golden equivalent.
Ok that's a fair point 😅. I've actually since changed my mind a bit on dark energy weapons being one of Monkey King's powers. I still think it's a possibility, though, especially since we know Sun Wukong has tons of powers, including shooting laser beams from his eyes (he briefly used this power when possessed by LBD). I've since come up with an even crazier theory to explain why MK was able to use dark energy weapons - basically I think Macaque's shadow/dark powers came from a demon called the Python Demon (they're a character in the book) and that demon has been influencing/infecting MK. I know this sounds very unlikely though, but I've almost finished making a video about it lol. Anyway, sometime in the future I am going to probably make an updated video about Macaque being a clone (since I made this video I've got a few more things to say 😅) so I might say it's a possibility dark energy weapons are one of Monkey King's powers, or maybe it's because of my (admittedly crazy theory) involving the Python Demon.
@@RVSketch and also we saw Macaque creating an energy staff like MK's to train him to use his own so if Monkey King has the same ability why isn't he doing that I mean it would probably give him a better training experience.
@@mohammadtarek3842 yeah! And it would mean he doesn't have to rely on the staff as much. Tbh I do feel like Monkey King hasn't done much training in general though - I mean, Tang was the one who showed MK how to make clones - Monkey King didn't even bring it up! 😅
The only problem with the theroy that Monkey King didn't mention that these clones can gain individuality by time at all , I mean he would warn MK about this to avoid another scenario like Macaque's.
Yeah, but I'd say we saw it happen in Duplicatnation with MK's clones? They started off just like MK, but became quite different. Party Clone definitely seemed to gain individuality - his personality is completely different, and we actually see that in more recent seasons (since he's actually been brought back in every season), like in the season 4 special. And it's not like Sun Wukong even warned MK that his clones could turn against him, and yet all those MK clones turned against him 😅.
@@RVSketch maybe you are right but there's another problem that is why Macaque has just lesser versions of Monkey King's powers instead of equal versions I mean he needed a power boost to be able to go one on one battles with him.
@@mohammadtarek3842 Well, maybe clones are just less powerful than the orginal? Since they are just copies. After all, when MK fought Party Clone, Party Clone had loads of back up (what looked to be hundreds of other clones). After the other clones that were fighting for Party Clone got poofed, Party Clone didn't stand a chance and didn't even try to fight MK.
@@RVSketch the clones are clearly farigle in dourbity if compared to the original but in terms of other powers are equal and Monkey King said that one of his habits is to copy others' abilities on lesser level so maybe he copied Monkey King's powers and not really a clone of him.
True, but I don't think that rules out him being a clone. I mean, MK was pretty chill with his clones initially. Plus, we only know Macaque and Sun Wukong were friends because Macaque said so - it's quite possible Sun Wukong never felt that way and just saw Macaque as another clone (maybe he just saw Macaque as a weapon he could use, not fully understanding Macaque was sentient at the time - which would explain why, when training MK, Macaque kept going on about how "you are a weapon").
@@RVSketch but in s4 they call each other sword brothers. Of cours, maybe SWK just let his clone exist like different person and even be his and his friends sword brother. Which is interesting. Perhaps that is why Macaque was most angry at SWK for leaving the brotherhood, and why he was most hesitant to go against SWK.
@@annranti Yeah you could be right! I do want to clarify that they actually don't specifically refer to each other as sworn brothers, but Sun Wukong says in the S4E2 flashback "like always! Monkey bros getting into some janky mischief!" to Macaque. This could be referring to the sworn brothers thing, but we know they knew other before the Brotherhood formed and apparently lived together on Flower Fruit Mountain. So Sun Wukong saying "like always" does imply they were sworn brothers before the Brotherhood was formed, or that they consider themselves actual brothers (which would make sense if Macaque is a clone of Sun Wukong).
What's even crazier is that, around a year ago, I actually made two different videos about Macaque making a deal with his powers. First one: th-cam.com/video/R4a-9AmV1GY/w-d-xo.html Updated one: th-cam.com/video/NI6iL4aQJqs/w-d-xo.html The updated one is the same as the first, just extended and, y'know, updated. And you'll never guess what else I got right! Based on the S3 sets and some S3 concept art, I predicted that Macaque's powers would switch from purple-pink to red, based on his deal! And I'm currently working on a second updated theory video after watching season 5 :)
Thanks! I actually already kind of did a video about this? Basically, I think they literally are the original pilgrims - I think their memories have been messed with: th-cam.com/video/y3DICseGxUM/w-d-xo.html I made that video before season 4 aired, so I might make an updated version, but the only thing is I have to make other theory videos first (because the special could come out soon and prove/disprove my theories 😅)
Well, I'm not aware of any other shows/movies other than Monkie Kid that depict the Six Eared Macaque with shadow powers (although his attribute is Dark type in the Tower of Saviors mobile game). In the original book, Journey to the West (JTTW), the Six Eared Macaque has the exact same powers as Sun Wukong (although the Buddha claims he has additional powers), but I can see why the Monkie Kid writers would want to make Macaque's powers different from Sun Wukong's so his character is more distinctive. As to why the Monkie Kid writers gave Macaque shadow powers specifically, I'd say it's probably due to how he is literally the evil/dark side of Sun Wukong's mind in Journey to the West (JTTW). He literally is the darkness of Sun Wukong's mind in the original book, so giving him shadow powers in Monkie Kid makes sense. (If you want to learn more about how the Six Eared Macaque is the dark side of Sun Wukong's mind in JTTW, I made this video on it: th-cam.com/video/c8xkjofrDUA/w-d-xo.html ) Plus, giving him shadow powers fits in with the trope of light vs dark, and making Macaque's powers dark-themed is a nice contrast to Sun Wukong's powers. As to an in-universe reason for Macaque having shadow powers, (assuming my theory that Macaque is a clone is correct) my theory is that he made a deal with a shadow demon. More specifically, I think he made a deal with the Python Demon from JTTW. I made a video explaining this theory (although it's a bit of a crazy theory 😅): th-cam.com/video/R4a-9AmV1GY8/w-d-xo.html
There's something strange about Macaque although his full name is six-eared Macaque, no scene of him having six ears, is he hiding them for some reason?
Maybe! Like I said in the video, in the book, he's never actually said to have six ears, and his name actually refers to his origins! So, he definitely could be hiding his ears in Monkie Kid (but then why does he keep introducing himself as "The Six Eared Macaque"? 🤔), or the writers decided not to give him six ears like in the book, and his name means what it meant in the book.
Maybe. But he literally held the staff and moved it in that scene. MK's full weight and the weight of the staff was being pushed down on him and he just moved it to the side. Also, in an interview, the showrunner for the first three seasons of Monkie Kid said that Macaque "should not have been able to do that". monkiekidinterview.carrd.co/
@who asked good point! But I think there's two differences with what happened with Spider Queen. The first difference is that she didn't hold it - she just immediately pushed it away from herself horizontally. But Macaque was holding MK's staff, which was pushed down on him vertically - Macaque wasn't pushing it away - he was just standing there. He even moved it to the side. The second difference is pretty important. Spider Queen was only able to push away the staff because she was powered up. Before she pushes away the staff, she gets blasted with the magic from her giant mech thing, and in that scene it's quite clear she wouldn't have been able to push the staff away if that hadn't happened. I'm also pretty sure that the mech thing was filled with Lady Bone Demon's energy, since she gave her Iittle bone vase thing to Spider Queen to make the venom work - but I'm not 100% sure if the mech that was blasting that energy into Spider Queen was connected to the venom distributer.
tho I am a little bit corcerned on monkey species. As we see MK's clones only can change their mind and style. We dont see any skin-changed or hair-color-changed clone of his. Even if wukong has the power of creating something using his blood or hair I dont think he would be close to macaque that much when they were little if he knew macaque was his clone. Wukong would have the same abilities as his clones. Its also mentioned macaque doesnt know who named him(even tho I think its because LBD somehow messed up with his memories. Since he knew her from start. "I will erase the every memory of you from this world" seems right) And I dont thing wukong would name one of his clones too. But we see macaque having his black-hair and tan skin tone in the past. He didnt changed himself. Maybe wukong run into some dangerous mission and needed help with his clones but I doubt he would acutally make a clone to be his moon. He believed he can do anything without any help until buddha trapped him. There is really a small chance of him being really his clone. Maybe they can born from the same stone or maybe there was a stone coming from underlife like wukong's stone coming from heavens. Since Nuwa is the creation of all things I dont think they are related. They are just got made from the same person who creates the whole life. another another thing, wukong's powers doesnt seem to get into macaque. He has his own abilities. Even if he got the shadow powers he would still have wukong's powers. If a clone had wukong's power, I doubt it can escape from wukong before getting poofed knowing how dangerous it is. Macaque's eyes; He seems to have a blind eye with the evidence of wukong stabbing it with his staff. His other eye is something that caughts my attention. Its bright purple. Like the way MK uses his golden eyes to see things more clear. He doesnt seem to uses that much of power, he looks like he is trying to tame the power in front of him. I still dont really get why he makes his eyes like wukongs but I think he wants to be similiar to wukong to haunt his prays.
Well, the other part to this theory is that Macaque made a deal with a demon (like the Python Demon) a long time ago, which caused his appearance to change 👀
I have 1 thing tho, In the video you had said that “ people with wukongs power can hold the staff for example Mk” when that isn’t true, the staff isn’t even wukong’s staff, he stole it from the dragon of the East Sea, so how could only people with wukong’s a power use it if it wasn’t even his to begin with? Other then that the theory is put together well, I just don’t think he could be a clone. And I feel like it would be a really big let down if he was.
Well, it's made pretty clear in the show that only those with Monkey King's power can hold the staff. It was even discussed in an interview with someone who worked on the show. Although, yeah, I suppose it doesn't really make sense if it wasn't Sun Wukong's to begin with 😅
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So, did I convince you? ;)
I found this here th-cam.com/video/JaBxp64Py8A/w-d-xo.html
oh yeah I've seen that! Bit different to my theory because I think Macaque is a clone of Sun Wukong, but that video just thought Macaque cloned himself which would mean he didn't actually die. Of course, we now know Macaque didn't die, but it isn't really explained (maybe he just escaped into the shadows in season 1? 👀 personally, I always thought his "death" in season 1 was kind of ambiguous anyway lol).
Interesting that both of us link Macaque to clones but came to completely different conclusions/ideas. Also cool they also noticed the minifigure face difference, although they attribute it to be being a mistake while I think it was on purpose ;)
@@RVSketch what if both answers mix into one? maybe sun Wukong clone that became Macaque got a scar and hide it with a illusion on top of himself?
RV Sketch friendship with Macaque hide his Secret from sun Wukong try to fit in and when secret got out, why fight each-other a lost friendship that's a mystery, have any theories
maybe. It could be that Macaque is a clone of Sun Wukong AND he made a clone of himself to teach MK.
However, I feel like season 2 and 3 have disproven My Brick Opinions' theory, because he came back and it seems he was never dead to begin with. Plus, I'm not sure why Macaque would have a scar but his clones wouldn't. And if what My Brick Opinions said about him being a clone because he doesn't show his scar is true, that would mean in season 2 and 3 that's not the real Macaque, because we don't see his scar - seems unlikely. It seems Macaque is just wearing an illusion to hide his scar.
Additionally, we've never seen Macaque being able to make actual clones - even in season 3 he can still only make shadow clones.
I do think it would be interesting, but I feel it's unlikely and making Macaque a clone the whole time would just erase all his character development since it wouldn't really be him.
at 3:51 we can see that macaques eye is purple, I think this can mean that macaque used his glamour to make his eyes look like wukongs eyes and/or hide his scar
That's an interesting idea! I do feel like his eye was probably purple because he was using a lot of his power (and his power's are purple/pink themed). It would be funny if he was changing his eyes to look like Sun Wukong's 😅
It's quite interesting that the staff preferred to obey Macaque's will instead of MK's maybe Because he shares DNA with Sun Wukang, the staff can't differentiate between the two.
Yeah, that would make sense!
These are some really good points! Definitely a very convincing and well-done theory
Thank you! This theory has been stuck in my mind for ages lol 😅
Six-Eared Macaque shares DNA with Sun Wukong as a separate person with identical genetics, Six-Eared Macaque is functionally his Twin.
Yeah, I've read that Tumblr post. It's a good post, but that specific statement only applies to the book Monkie Kid is based on, not Monkie Kid itself.
antidotefortheawkward-art.tumblr.com/post/656297020540223488
And, personally, I wouldn't say it's entirely
accurate to say that, in the book, the Six Eared Macaque is a separate person to Sun Wukong - in the book, Sun Wukong and the Six Eared Macaque are two parts of the same person, with the Six Eared Macaque being made from Sun Wukong's mind, which that Tumblr post does go into.
There's not a whole lot of information in English on this topic, but I did do a lot of research on this topic and I made this video explaining it using Chinese academic papers and quotes from the book:
th-cam.com/video/c8xkjofrDUA/w-d-xo.html
Also, like I mentioned in this video, the Six Eared Macaque and Sun Wukong being two parts of the same person in the book highly influences my theory that, in Monkie Kid, Macaque is a hair clone of Sun Wukong - it just makes sense for him to be made from Sun Wukong in some way, like in the book.
@@RVSketch I am talking about the version of the show not the book.
@@mohammadtarek3842 oh ok - obv the video was about the show so I wasn't sure 😅
Actually, i have theory or at least a senario.
As we all know monkie kid makes references to jttw, it isn't a direct continuation. Also, they can't talk about disturbing or dark stuff, since is a kids show. Anyway, as you recall in shadow play, macaque said that he and wukong used to be friends. Until, the latter left macaque in pursuit for more power.
So here is my theory-senario. What if macaque used to be an actual macaque (i mean a normal monkey, not a demon) and he was best friends with wukong. But after monkey king returned from his quest for immortality and erased his name and his monkeys from death, he started noticing a darkness in his powers. Out of fear of hurting his people, he tried to pull out the dark side of his powers. However, these powers proved to be out of control and having a mind of its own. And macaque happened to be close (he feared for wukong's safety), so the dark powers went into him and transformed him into a demon monkey. After that, wukong decided to train macaque in order to control his new powers.
I believe this would make a good origin story for macaque. And of course it would explain in a different way from the novel, why they are almost the same.
oh that's an interesting idea! Although, Monkie Kid does already have a bunch of dark and disturbing stuff in it lol (like Sun Wukong having a vision of MK disintegrating, it being revealed Sun Wukong killed Macaque, and when Syntax has that spider robot go inside him and come out through his flesh (we only see the shadow but it was pretty horrifying lol)).
@@RVSketch Yeah, you are right. It did go dark. I forgot to mention these instances. But, of course they can't go way dark. An example is that they can't show sun wukong's ability to literally take off his head or his organs (which happened a lot in the original jttw). And of course what macaque did to one of his minions once he failed (i can't write this one for many reasons, and believe me i was shocked when i found this information online).
ha ha yeah JTTW gets pretty crazy. Tbh I feel Monkie Kid could go a bit darker as long as there isn't explicit gore shown lol.
i could be wrong but i believe that in jttw , macaque was the one who took on the form of wukong and pretended to be him, i think it was the chapter where pigsy and the monk tripitaka got pregnant drinking from that pregnancy river. and Wukong had left prior since i believe they had an arguement or so. Then Macaque appeared and faked being wukong.
"The Six Eared Macaque, also known as the Fake Sun Wukong, is a major antagonist in the classic Chinese novel, Journey to the west" i got this from wiki fandom but here we are :D
yeah that's right; however, in Journey to the West the Six Eared Macaque is also very heavily implied to be part of Sun Wukong's mind. Unfortunately, if you read JTTW from a western perspective it's hard to pick up on without cultural/religious context - additionally, there aren't many English sources on this at all.
However, I did some research and made a video using Chinese academic papers and JTTW quotes, explaining how the Six Eared Macaque and Sun Wukong are represented as two parts of the same mind. I'd recommend you check it out if you're interested:
th-cam.com/video/c8xkjofrDUA/w-d-xo.html
bro I have never been so blown away by a theory im on board for this, I've been wondering ab Mac for such a long time. thank you for blessing my ears😤
Oh thank you so much!!! I'm glad you like it!!! :D
You are right in season 5 someone new i still don't know the name he said to macacue who did you make a deal with i think we will find out more about macacue in season 6
I just realized I never found out what happened to his one eye?
when I first saw the "six eared macaque" title I thought about 2 ears are for the future. 2 ears are for the past ans 2 ears are for the present. And when he doesnt wants to hear the future and past, only now, he could hide them. Maybe thats why we usually saw his only 2 ears since he appeared?
That would be really interesting! Idk if Monkie Kid will do that, but I'd love to see a Journey to the West adaptation that has him have a pair of ears for past, present, and future! It's a very cool idea :O
@@RVSketch oh one of the "ne zha" films has wukong being in diguise as macaque and the disguised macaque has 6 ears and light fur
@@Ruu_ku oh yeah, I saw that one! I think it's really interesting, because the Six Eared Macaque is made from Sun Wukong's mind in the book, but in that movie (Ne Zha Reborn), they seem to have made it so the Six Eared Macaque is a figment of Sun Wukong's imagination - just an alter ego he made up. I think it's a pretty cool way to adapt the characters.
I don't think that creating dark energy weapons is one of Monkey King's powers , I mean he no longer uses the staff , This is kind of the best time to use the ability but he doesn't use it or any golden equivalent.
Ok that's a fair point 😅. I've actually since changed my mind a bit on dark energy weapons being one of Monkey King's powers. I still think it's a possibility, though, especially since we know Sun Wukong has tons of powers, including shooting laser beams from his eyes (he briefly used this power when possessed by LBD).
I've since come up with an even crazier theory to explain why MK was able to use dark energy weapons - basically I think Macaque's shadow/dark powers came from a demon called the Python Demon (they're a character in the book) and that demon has been influencing/infecting MK. I know this sounds very unlikely though, but I've almost finished making a video about it lol.
Anyway, sometime in the future I am going to probably make an updated video about Macaque being a clone (since I made this video I've got a few more things to say 😅) so I might say it's a possibility dark energy weapons are one of Monkey King's powers, or maybe it's because of my (admittedly crazy theory) involving the Python Demon.
@@RVSketch MK's ability to use it can enhance what I said before about the possibility that he descended from Macaque.
@@mohammadtarek3842 oh true!
@@RVSketch and also we saw Macaque creating an energy staff like MK's to train him to use his own so if Monkey King has the same ability why isn't he doing that I mean it would probably give him a better training experience.
@@mohammadtarek3842 yeah! And it would mean he doesn't have to rely on the staff as much. Tbh I do feel like Monkey King hasn't done much training in general though - I mean, Tang was the one who showed MK how to make clones - Monkey King didn't even bring it up! 😅
The only problem with the theroy that Monkey King didn't mention that these clones can gain individuality by time at all , I mean he would warn MK about this to avoid another scenario like Macaque's.
Yeah, but I'd say we saw it happen in Duplicatnation with MK's clones? They started off just like MK, but became quite different. Party Clone definitely seemed to gain individuality - his personality is completely different, and we actually see that in more recent seasons (since he's actually been brought back in every season), like in the season 4 special.
And it's not like Sun Wukong even warned MK that his clones could turn against him, and yet all those MK clones turned against him 😅.
@@RVSketch maybe you are right but there's another problem that is why Macaque has just lesser versions of Monkey King's powers instead of equal versions I mean he needed a power boost to be able to go one on one battles with him.
@@mohammadtarek3842 Well, maybe clones are just less powerful than the orginal? Since they are just copies. After all, when MK fought Party Clone, Party Clone had loads of back up (what looked to be hundreds of other clones). After the other clones that were fighting for Party Clone got poofed, Party Clone didn't stand a chance and didn't even try to fight MK.
@@RVSketch the clones are clearly farigle in dourbity if compared to the original but in terms of other powers are equal and Monkey King said that one of his habits is to copy others' abilities on lesser level so maybe he copied Monkey King's powers and not really a clone of him.
@@mohammadtarek3842 maybe! 👀
But in monkie kid macaque backstory he and sun Wukong friends in the past •,___,•
True, but I don't think that rules out him being a clone. I mean, MK was pretty chill with his clones initially. Plus, we only know Macaque and Sun Wukong were friends because Macaque said so - it's quite possible Sun Wukong never felt that way and just saw Macaque as another clone (maybe he just saw Macaque as a weapon he could use, not fully understanding Macaque was sentient at the time - which would explain why, when training MK, Macaque kept going on about how "you are a weapon").
@@RVSketch okay.
@@RVSketch but in s4 they call each other sword brothers. Of cours, maybe SWK just let his clone exist like different person and even be his and his friends sword brother. Which is interesting. Perhaps that is why Macaque was most angry at SWK for leaving the brotherhood, and why he was most hesitant to go against SWK.
@@annranti Yeah you could be right! I do want to clarify that they actually don't specifically refer to each other as sworn brothers, but Sun Wukong says in the S4E2 flashback "like always! Monkey bros getting into some janky mischief!" to Macaque.
This could be referring to the sworn brothers thing, but we know they knew other before the Brotherhood formed and apparently lived together on Flower Fruit Mountain. So Sun Wukong saying "like always" does imply they were sworn brothers before the Brotherhood was formed, or that they consider themselves actual brothers (which would make sense if Macaque is a clone of Sun Wukong).
You are smart
ha ha thanks! :)
I love this theory I hope it's canon
It's so well done
ah thank you! I really hope it's true too! :)
11:36 that just aged well, oh my god
What's even crazier is that, around a year ago, I actually made two different videos about Macaque making a deal with his powers.
First one:
th-cam.com/video/R4a-9AmV1GY/w-d-xo.html
Updated one:
th-cam.com/video/NI6iL4aQJqs/w-d-xo.html
The updated one is the same as the first, just extended and, y'know, updated.
And you'll never guess what else I got right! Based on the S3 sets and some S3 concept art, I predicted that Macaque's powers would switch from purple-pink to red, based on his deal!
And I'm currently working on a second updated theory video after watching season 5 :)
Can you do one explaining how the gang got their powers, tang explained but can you? And I subbed.
Thanks! I actually already kind of did a video about this? Basically, I think they literally are the original pilgrims - I think their memories have been messed with:
th-cam.com/video/y3DICseGxUM/w-d-xo.html
I made that video before season 4 aired, so I might make an updated version, but the only thing is I have to make other theory videos first (because the special could come out soon and prove/disprove my theories 😅)
@@RVSketch ok
Hey rv since you know so much I'll ask you, why is macaque always depicted with shadow powers ?
Well, I'm not aware of any other shows/movies other than Monkie Kid that depict the Six Eared Macaque with shadow powers (although his attribute is Dark type in the Tower of Saviors mobile game).
In the original book, Journey to the West (JTTW), the Six Eared Macaque has the exact same powers as Sun Wukong (although the Buddha claims he has additional powers), but I can see why the Monkie Kid writers would want to make Macaque's powers different from Sun Wukong's so his character is more distinctive.
As to why the Monkie Kid writers gave Macaque shadow powers specifically, I'd say it's probably due to how he is literally the evil/dark side of Sun Wukong's mind in Journey to the West (JTTW). He literally is the darkness of Sun Wukong's mind in the original book, so giving him shadow powers in Monkie Kid makes sense.
(If you want to learn more about how the Six Eared Macaque is the dark side of Sun Wukong's mind in JTTW, I made this video on it: th-cam.com/video/c8xkjofrDUA/w-d-xo.html )
Plus, giving him shadow powers fits in with the trope of light vs dark, and making Macaque's powers dark-themed is a nice contrast to Sun Wukong's powers.
As to an in-universe reason for Macaque having shadow powers, (assuming my theory that Macaque is a clone is correct) my theory is that he made a deal with a shadow demon. More specifically, I think he made a deal with the Python Demon from JTTW. I made a video explaining this theory (although it's a bit of a crazy theory 😅):
th-cam.com/video/R4a-9AmV1GY8/w-d-xo.html
Omg I absolutely love this theory
Thank you! :) I'm pretty obsessed with it 😅
@@RVSketch same!!
There's something strange about Macaque although his full name is six-eared Macaque, no scene of him having six ears, is he hiding them for some reason?
Maybe! Like I said in the video, in the book, he's never actually said to have six ears, and his name actually refers to his origins!
So, he definitely could be hiding his ears in Monkie Kid (but then why does he keep introducing himself as "The Six Eared Macaque"? 🤔), or the writers decided not to give him six ears like in the book, and his name means what it meant in the book.
@@RVSketchI mean,personally it still works because his name originates from a proverb,but it's weird the six ears are still referenced on his mech.
I think Macaque stopping the staff and him picking up and using the staff are very different and unrelated
Maybe. But he literally held the staff and moved it in that scene. MK's full weight and the weight of the staff was being pushed down on him and he just moved it to the side.
Also, in an interview, the showrunner for the first three seasons of Monkie Kid said that Macaque "should not have been able to do that".
monkiekidinterview.carrd.co/
@@RVSketch Wait, but didn't Spider Queen block MK's attack in the exact same manner in Revenge if the Spider Queen?
@who asked good point! But I think there's two differences with what happened with Spider Queen.
The first difference is that she didn't hold it - she just immediately pushed it away from herself horizontally. But Macaque was holding MK's staff, which was pushed down on him vertically - Macaque wasn't pushing it away - he was just standing there. He even moved it to the side.
The second difference is pretty important. Spider Queen was only able to push away the staff because she was powered up. Before she pushes away the staff, she gets blasted with the magic from her giant mech thing, and in that scene it's quite clear she wouldn't have been able to push the staff away if that hadn't happened.
I'm also pretty sure that the mech thing was filled with Lady Bone Demon's energy, since she gave her Iittle bone vase thing to Spider Queen to make the venom work - but I'm not 100% sure if the mech that was blasting that energy into Spider Queen was connected to the venom distributer.
tho I am a little bit corcerned on monkey species.
As we see MK's clones only can change their mind and style. We dont see any skin-changed or hair-color-changed clone of his.
Even if wukong has the power of creating something using his blood or hair I dont think he would be close to macaque that much when they were little if he knew macaque was his clone. Wukong would have the same abilities as his clones. Its also mentioned macaque doesnt know who named him(even tho I think its because LBD somehow messed up with his memories. Since he knew her from start. "I will erase the every memory of you from this world" seems right) And I dont thing wukong would name one of his clones too.
But we see macaque having his black-hair and tan skin tone in the past. He didnt changed himself.
Maybe wukong run into some dangerous mission and needed help with his clones but I doubt he would acutally make a clone to be his moon. He believed he can do anything without any help until buddha trapped him.
There is really a small chance of him being really his clone. Maybe they can born from the same stone or maybe there was a stone coming from underlife like wukong's stone coming from heavens. Since Nuwa is the creation of all things I dont think they are related. They are just got made from the same person who creates the whole life.
another another thing, wukong's powers doesnt seem to get into macaque. He has his own abilities. Even if he got the shadow powers he would still have wukong's powers. If a clone had wukong's power, I doubt it can escape from wukong before getting poofed knowing how dangerous it is.
Macaque's eyes; He seems to have a blind eye with the evidence of wukong stabbing it with his staff. His other eye is something that caughts my attention. Its bright purple. Like the way MK uses his golden eyes to see things more clear. He doesnt seem to uses that much of power, he looks like he is trying to tame the power in front of him. I still dont really get why he makes his eyes like wukongs but I think he wants to be similiar to wukong to haunt his prays.
Well, the other part to this theory is that Macaque made a deal with a demon (like the Python Demon) a long time ago, which caused his appearance to change 👀
he got bit by a python that would change his color palate?@@RVSketch
@@Ruu_ku more like made a deal with a Python who gave him shadow powers, which changed his colour palette 😅
I have 1 thing tho,
In the video you had said that “ people with wukongs power can hold the staff for example Mk” when that isn’t true, the staff isn’t even wukong’s staff, he stole it from the dragon of the East Sea,
so how could only people with wukong’s a power use it if it wasn’t even his to begin with?
Other then that the theory is put together well, I just don’t think he could be a clone. And I feel like it would be a really big let down if he was.
Well, it's made pretty clear in the show that only those with Monkey King's power can hold the staff. It was even discussed in an interview with someone who worked on the show. Although, yeah, I suppose it doesn't really make sense if it wasn't Sun Wukong's to begin with 😅
If you look closer to macaques shit half id black purpal and the other side is yellow
His what? His eye?