@@Briselance It's a protection as in a way "I am just a soldier of different order of militia, you don't command me, I don't command you or my battle brothers, you have no interest with me, go and bother somebody who actually can meet your demand, with whom your interest actually lays, our conversation is pointless"
@@Briselance easy, it's "i'm not under your chain of command, so even if technically you outrank me I'm allowed to not give a flying fuck, considering my commanding officer is also present. Go bother him".
@@dazenguile4215 Yes, there's basically two ways that this comment can be interpreted. The first is that the space marine is being sincere, and that the Lord General simply isn't due any respect. The other is that the Lord General is in fact worthy of respect, and that the space marine is mocking him because he doesn't care. Which one is more accurate, I leave up to you.
Commisar Cain was once sent on a diplomatic mission to act as a connection between the Guard and the Astartes of the Reclaimer Chapter. He realized it would be a harder task than he thought when a commander ranted about the Astartes hierarchy and that their highest ranking officer is "just" a sergeant, which he found disrespectful.
And if I know the best commissar the Imperium has ever seen, I bet he was cursing in his mind, not really paying attention and trying to figure out a way to leave the situation with all his limbs in place
I don't remember that scene. I'm fairly sure the first time he talks to them (you know, besides being rescued from the necrons where he was more or less just picked up as collateral by the strike team) it's directly to the captain and his officers. Though, I absolutely love how they go from 'not respecting you would dishonor our chapter' to 'we will allot you a time slot to spar in our training chapels', which, as pointed out in the book, are basically consecrated grounds and holy relics for the marines, and eventually just outright sending him an entire detachment (no clear number but they literally lined the entire space from door to the freaking shuttle with marines) as an honor guard when he leaves, with the captain himself heading it JUST to thank him. Though to be fair, the captain is implied to be under the impression Ciaphas took on an entire army of tyrranid to divert attention away from a squad of TERMINATORS and not only came out on top but used an ork army to help destroy the genestealers. Which, if Cain hadn't been running to save his hide, would have taken balls with more adamantium than the entire strike cruiser's armor plating put together.
"Welcome back!" "With all due respect, why are you addressing me?" "Oh, apologies, it is tradition among my men to show some sign of relief at the return of surviving warriors. With all the same due respect, I was hoping you could point me to your commander." "Oh, that's the big man in black." "Thank you, great warrior." Diplomacy 101
@@publiocornelioescipion8803 Oh, it's very easy. *AHEM* "Yo, Ork. Wanna prove ya da stronkest and krump something worth krumpin'?" "DO I!? SHOW DA WAY, NEW BEST GIT!" *And then show the Greenskin the way to the Eye of Terror*
@@thedevilsadvocate788 Are you telling me that in order to negotiate with others I must know their way of thinking and have enough humility to adapt to their ways?That could end very well...or making Khorne the strongest Chaos God of all.
@@publiocornelioescipion8803 It wouldn't change much, due to Khorne being literally the strongest god and possibly the oldest. The only reason he seems weaker is because there are three other gods he needs to wrestle with. Just remove Tzeentch from the equation, and all of a sudden, there is no one to stop him from killing everyone, because who's going to *think* about ways to counter him? (And by Khorne and Tzeentch, I of course refer to them as concept, not individuals. The moment there is no "planning and strategy", brute force and blind rage would 100% win against the search for pleasure. However, not sure who would win between Khorne and Nurgle, because... well... you can do a lot with brute force, but illness is very insidious and can fell the mightiest of warriors.)
@@thedevilsadvocate788 The Idea is that Tzench and Slanesh are just there to make things spicey as fuck. Khorn is the strongest now, nurgle will be the only thing left in the end no matter what.
The lowest ranking astarte is still hyper intelligent, as they have to caliculate battle plans on the fly, in the battle, sometimes thinking new strategies up with out knowing the full scope of the battle, in like 2 seconds. And they have to be ready for if the links in command go quiet.
Your usualy looking for a skull on their shoulder rhis signifies a sargeant normaly the one incharge of a group of ten marines this angers many gaurds generals tho as sargent is such a low rank to them but space marines do t need so many ranks
@@demonic_myst4503 the rule of thumb is, if one of your boys equal to 10000 of his man it make a captain of astrates has equal authorities with IG generals and as he also commanded a strike cruiser and its escort fleets a space marine captain also has direct command over more than 100.000 of crews, a sergeant also sometimes "captained" an escort ship which make a mere Sergeant could ordered around up to 15000 crews aside his 10 man squad.
Some chapters have fairly standard heraldry and then some chapters have literally no info on their rank structure so fuck anybody trying to sort that let alone a guardsmen who has never seen more then one or two chapters.
@@icecoldpolitics8890 most Guard Regiments, like 95-99% of them NEVER even see a single Space Marine, there are trillions of guardsmen and billions of regiments, and there’s only roughly 1000 Space Marine Chapters in the entire galaxy Seeing a Space Marine is like meeting a figure straight out of mythology for the vast majority of guardsmen, there are a few planets where the odds are significantly different, such as Cadia before its fall, but for the majority of Imperial worlds the Space Marines are just stories told by priests
@@3adgamd3r And even if you see one, you often don´t live to speak about it, as either the enemy or your allies via strategy or purging cause your death.
Theres about three of the 20 founders that have spawned a few orders that are "nice" does a general welcome and address anti air cannons that are ai ? No. You just let them protect you
@3adgamd3r as a huge basketball fan I've always thought of it like NBA MVPs. There are tens of millions of basketball fans all over the world and only around 40-50 people have ever won the NBA MVP award. If you meet one, it's a once in a lifetime thing that you tell all your friends about.
"My lord, you all have different colours and heraldry. Sometimes it's taking some time to judge if I'm dealing with loyal or traitor and the fact that they are killing my men isn't even a deciding factor!"
Communication is indeed a big issue, many communication arrays are damaged or non functional. You can get an order and get there 4 months later when the planet is already lost, wasting 4months of travel.
@@А.Д.А-л2у Warp travel is inherently unreliable in multiple ways. One of them is that the time it takes to move somewhere can range from seconds to centuries. There is one story about an ork freeboter (I think?), whose ship exited the warp at the same place they entered, but before the actual warp jump. Said ork proceeded to kill his other version so he can have 2 of his favorite shootas.
Because they are insects. They do protect humanity. How many times have marines fought on hive worlds just to die? Armageddon seems to be a prime example. And educate your self. Months of shame, learn it. And maybe you’ll see a side of marines you didn’t know of. And the inquisition is far worse to its people than marines could ever be
Space marines fight for humanity, the imperium and the god emperor. They do not fight for individual humans. Humans are rife with corruption and live a life a 10th as long as some space marines if they are lucky so it stands to reason they would struggle to relate to them thats why they fight for what humanity could be one day not for what it currently is otherwise nobody would still be fighting in the universe of 40k. There is a good quote that summarise this 'humanity has lived under a brutal regime where billions die every day for over 10 thousand years, and they are our only hope' I think everyone is aware how terrible humanity is and they fight in the hope one day when peace has finally arrived they can fix it
If it's a Salamander it's capable to go "Don't call me 'Lord'. We are brave soldiers of the Emperor. I'm Amenus of the Burning Company. And you, guardsman?"
In the 4th Edition Codex, there was an Ork Boy talking to other Orks, and he talks about how Humans are pink, soft and squishy, not big mean and green like the Orks, but he doesn't point that out as their main flaw or weakness, instead, he goes on by saying that humans can't tell who's in charge except for the badges and uniforms, and he continues by mocking saying that when one wants to lord over the other he says "I'm special so you worship me" or "I know something you don't so you better listen up", he continues by saying that the funniest part is that half of them (humans) believe and half doesn't, so while they're arguing about who's in charge, the Orks keep clobbing them up good. In summary, an Ork gives a lesson to other Orks about the main weakness of humankind is not their biology or technology, but their massive and fragile ego.
I mean humanity is pretty similar to the Ork boyz. We assign importance by size as well. Guardsmen, Space Marine, Custodes, Primachs, then Big E. Each time the size increases.
One hate is one of my favorite stories from 40k. My group references it regularly. If we talk about marines laughing, we just go "click click click" because it mentions that the gemeral can hear their inter-squad vox comms clicking under their helmets, and he knows they're laughing at him.
@@anthonywright2489 Nah, Helsreach is more of "They are speaking gossip because they would rather fight in the battle in space above than to wait here idling." The general knows they are speaking in private, not laughing at him.
No dude, this is a legit thing in the military. A grunt doing their job, and e1-e4/5 have no real business talking to most officers and CO's. It was considered bizarre in my ship that I consistently just walked up and engaged in conversations or asked for signatures on paperwork with officers as high as the department heads (O3/4) and could get away with just causally engaging in conversations with the CMC, XO, and CO. However I was both known for being brutally honest and uncaring about on ship politics and so a good source of info from the lower enlisted, that I really didn't care about rank all that much other than to pay it the basic respect demanded of it (I went through the motions), held several important positions on the ship, and had positions that were directly granted to me by the CO. But if you were an officer from another branch other than to pay you the basic of respect with a salute and greeting my response if any of them demanded something of me was to direct them to an officer or to tell them I have prior orders I have to follow. They were not my chain of command, it doesn't matter what rank they are, my command holds positional authority over them. And them demanding things of me I cant help them with is irritating to deal with.
Same side doesn't mean much tbh. Irl today or in the 42nd millennium. He may be *a* commander of astares, but dealing with pompous generals isn't his job and he just got back from the fight. What little politeness he *may* have shown in better circumstances is not currently present. Especially given there is little to no reason for the general to be bothering him. This isn't a strategy meeting, odds are he's gonna try to throw weight around... Basically, what I'm saying is that the Lord General is bothering the wrong person at the wrong time and almost certainly with zero authority to do so.
I'm completely convinced that 90% of the Imperium's problems would be solved instantly if people could just fucking listen to each other in command scenarios 😂
Cain, a Primarch, the emperor and an inqusitor are the only true ends of command. No one argues with their command with out trying to be funny. Some note worthy people do pop up who come close, but fall short like Lord Admiral Spire.
@@capadociaash8003 Traitor Marine at the siege of Terra: ”Are you in charge?” Perturabo: “No, I’m not. I should be. Everyone knows I should be. The loyalists are lucky I’m not. But I’m not. Talk to Horus if he lets you, I’m leaving.” Fulgrim: “Why would I care about that? Wanna bang?” Angron “AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH” Alpharius: “Yes? No? Maybe? I think I’m supposed to be dead.” Magnus: “I’m just here because I have to be. This is dumb.” Mortarion: “Nah, Horus is, now get in formation, we have to walk slowly towards this heavily defended gun emplacement.” Lorgar: “I’m supposed to be! The gods chose ME *sobs like a baby* Horus: “Yes, obviously. Now, bow before my greatness, grovel at my feet. I am the rightful ruler of mankind and my glory shall eclipse all!” Erebus: “I’ve been in charge the whole time.”
Irony is, for most of the "good" space marines, if an Admiral or General treat them as military assets like anything/anyone else, they'd likely get much more respect.
@@royce9018Fuck dem marines, better get more battalions of guardsmen. After all entire Imperium is primarily held together by baseline humans, not some genetically engineered space autists with daddy issues.
@@royce9018Depends heavily on the individual Chapter and which Legion they hail from. I feel like Manus’ sons wouldn’t care much. They’d see themselves as weapons rather than warriors or even soldiers, same with a few Imperial Fist and Raven Guard successors. But the more pompous and warrior like marines(Space Wolves, White Scars, Blood Angels and Ultramarines) would be disrespected by the idea of being treated like just another Combat-Asset by a Mortal Commander. Though some of them would continue fighting irrespective of how they’re treated.
@@Tyrion-Syndications I feel like the Ultramarines wouldn't care much either. Not so much because of a lack of arrogance but by how much they're integrated with their pdf.
Except if you complain that you were incorrectly marked as dead and no longer are receiving paychecks. Then he might let you live as repayment, if he’s in a patient mood. Or else he might just “fix” the issue in the record..
I found it rather respectful really... why is saying "with all due respects" bad in that case? The astartes was simply confused why the lord general talked to him, the sergeant
@@durianten2353 This is extremely long, but formatted for easy reading. You just need to read the first 2 paragraphs, I promise. The rest of it is legit me covering my bases from trolls. I personally didn't interpret it as confusion; I took it as a show of many astartes' lack of respect of mortals. However, maybe I did interpret it wrong. He did say "...With all due respect," however I stand by this: A true show of respect would be removing your helmet, greeting the general, and then sharing intel/logistical information. Actions speak louder than words, and the Space Marines' actions felt more like a semi-veiled threat to the general. I thought of this as them thinking "We are better than you," basically. I'm ignorant to the rest of the story, so naturally of course I am open to being wrong. (You can stop reading the reply here and it'd be perfectly fine. The rest is meant for people who've been 40K fans for over a decade.) I am a new fan of 40K (4 years or so.) I don't like grimdark as a story trope at all. And I'm going to say it: 40K is NOT grimdark anymore, of course it used to have in prior editions. I firmly believe that after the Great Rift opened, 40K was no longer a grimdark setting. Personally, I do not find 40K a compelling setting if it's just parody and depression. However with G-Man and The Lion back, there is that small sliver of light. I firmly believe that the reason 40K exploded over the last few years is directly due to removing the pure grimdarkness. I'm getting this out of the way now: No, I don't love Ultramarines; I find them generic and pretty boring. But that is not a bad thing. I love the Salamanders, specifically because they try to stay connected to humanity. The scene in Pariah Nexus of the Salamander removing his helmet to comfort everyone is truly moving to me. Here's the reason I added all this explanation: I dislike the Black Templars. A lot. It's because of their selfish zealotry. This isn't saying "BT are evil," I'm not saying they need re-writting. I'm simply trying to give perspective on what makes 40K appealing to me. And having "good guys" to dislike adds a level of nuance, and that naturally makes stories better. (I genuinely wrote all of that purely because I am in no mood for trolls/old school snobby fans.) I love it when Space Marines remember that they're meant to lift humanity up; rather than taking it's place. (And I am talking about in warzones too.) If this was just an example of Space Marines being on the spectrum and a more comedic moment, that's cool, and I will concede to being a bit harsh. A misunderstanding/awkwardness is okay. That being said, I took this as the textbook "Astartes > Humans" arrogance that some chapters have.
@@XXMatt0040XX ahh your explanation makes it so much clearer to me. The comparison to the salamanders taking a helmet off in pariah nexus to this scene whos a night and day difference in regards to the amount of respect given. Thanks for giving your time to explain my silly question!
When considering to converse with an Astartes: If he's charred and dressed in green, I'm sure he'll be keen, should he be any other kind of brother, save yourself the time and don't bother.
@@chrisspink8873 Ogryns are strong enough to rip-off heads from Chaos Space Marines with ease. Not to mention being so stupid they won't realize they are dead and fight on regardless until somebody points it out to them. They got this.
@@chrisspink8873Those genetically engineered space autists with daddy issues are gonna get bodied by good ol’ ogryns who have superior strength and numbers
It's quite difficult to understand who is in commonand in a group of astartes if you're not one, especially since every chapter has is peculiarities. Not even memorizing the codex itself is enough since it's not followed by all the chapters and the ones who follows do it in various degrees
@@EVILSCOTSMAN2k11 or just old, or bored, or just into flashy bitz At least with Codex compliant ones, you'd be able to find the ranking officers who could at least begin pointing you to who's in charge.
@@ghost1591 Nah. A thousand Astarte is still a thousand. A great asset, great shock troops, but they can't be everywhere. A planet is very big for that. It's a shared effort.
@@ghost1591 My dude, half the loyal space marines in cadia were doing random bullshit disconnected from the planets actual defence. Black templars literally spent ages defending a random fucking church for example. The "canon fodder" did the actual holding back against chaos forces (and this is not unusual, guardsmen on many occasions have had to defeat chaos forces/warbands with traitor space marines on their own).
@@SeaBass215AM This. They're meant to lift humans up when needed; not to override and replace them. They're meant to inspire hope and morale, not cripple logistics.
Imagine how many objectives in war were lost because the Astartes decided to fuck off to do a mini-quest. Must be an annoying blessing to have space marines operating in the theater
Blood Angels are usually pretty friendly, Space Wolves once nearly threw down against the Inquisition to protect civilians. Lamenters are famous for constantly doing the right thing and then getting dunked on by the universe.
So whats your purpose? To defend the imperium So what do you do? Make it as hard as possible to form a coherent structure in defending said imperium This is why part of me just roots for everyone else.
@@PikachuLittle like tbh why I can't get into being part of the imperium just gets boring how bad they treat their own troops like how are there even humans left most are killing each other, AND THERE ON THE SAME TEAM
This is kinda honestly why I like the Necrons so much. In my eyes they kinda deserve to rule the galaxy. They were here first. They had a way shittier planet to evolve on, their lives were miserable, they got tricked by star eating demons, and when shit hit the fan, their society was able to unite all its factions
There was no disrespect intended on the Lord General's part, so the Astartes' condescension and mockery is uncalled for. Someone like the Salamanders or Demetrian Titus would just politely correct the Lord General and guide him to who's in charge, instead of wasting time with platitudes. It's even more baffling they act that way when those Astartes are Crimson Fists, who famously have Pedro Kantor and their Chapter Master. Kantor has been shown to be one of the most patient and compassionate Chapter Masters towards regular humans, so seeing men serving under him be so callous to them is kinda jarring.
To be fair they are still sons of Dorn, so them being Callous is not surprising and in that same story where Pedro kantor is being compationate half of his remaining Astartes really weren't, voicing that they should leave mother and her children because it would just slow them down
@@JSmith99like they would know that they are space marines they have no social skills and they are sons of rogal hence they have the social skills worse than a rock
@JSmith99 But the thing is... He should be able. Space marines can fuck up an entire campaign because they don't want to coordinate their actions with the other troops. Hell, these dimwits even sabotage their own allies' effort... On top of that, high-ranking officers of the Imperial guard are the ones with actual knowledge of their theater, as they can fight on the same planet for 15 years or more.
I would love if the next line from the General was "Great. What are we to do ?." Like, cool Mr kill bot, me and my men were sent to this hell world to fight, I'm just trying to do that. Why are we wasting time with this comical back and forth. The General rolled up polite, mis informed, but from my understanding Generals will go there whole lives never seeing a space marine.
The thing is, most space marine chapters are "holier than thou", unless you're talking to an ultramarine or a salamander, I really wouldn't expect any respect from them. Heck, they're literally hailed as grandchildren of the God Emperor. I think one mistake the general made was that he was speaking to them in a tone as if they were children. From the way it sounds as well, he's not supposed to be the one in charge, he's simply in a collaborative effort. They're not his men, he shouldn't be acting as if he has authority over them. Instead of not backing down, and saying "I'm addressing you, because you look to be the one in charge" in a condescending tone, he should've just started with "who is to be addressed" to begin with. In a collaborative effort, you don't gain respect of a separate chain of command, by slinging more disrespect.
@@citizenvulpes4562 just because you are from another branch of the military doesn't mean your rank doesn't command respect. You don't get to piss on an admiral's shoes just cause you're a soldier and not a sailor. He is a general for pete's sake. As far as one's concerned, the common Marines are just suped up soldiers, not officers.
@australianword3812 The problem with that comparison is that Astartes aren’t “just another branch”, they’re near-literally the “angels” of your religion. Even the lowliest among them can take out multiple ppl with both hands tied behind their back. It should be almost like speaking with an Inquisitor: they’re outside & above your chain of command, treat them like the demigods they are.
@@UGNAvalon Their god dispenses people worshipping him and now every single juiced up killer bot wants a Temple dedicated to them. I haven't seen a single compassionate marine corp unless they are salamanders or ultra marines or wolves. Most are just pricks
@@australianword3812 I mean, in the Imperium? Sure, a soldier won't get away with passing in an Admirals shoes, but being a bit snide as long as he doesn't issue direct insult? Happens all the time. Inter branch respect is just... so rare it may as well be unobtanium. Sure, there's exceptions to this, principally with the chapters that are know for their kindness... but this one ain't one of those.
"Well, now that that's out of the way. I had intended to let you know an enemy attack was imminent but you're probably ten seconds from knowing they're here yourselves. Best of luck."
Reminds me of the time i was taking a humvee to our railhead to go over seas and a random sergeant major stopped me at a red light and asked if the faulty door was on the pmcs sheet and i responded with "fuck if i know" as the light turned green. I have a forgetable face and wasnt even in the unit was driving for.
"My apologies, my lord. It simply took me some time to memorize your glorious chapter's ranks and heraldry. I certainly would not want to mistakenly order a full ten hours artillery bombardment upon our... allies... A shame, that would be." "Mind your tone, mortal. Before I mind it for you." "Certainly sir. I will correct my addressing of you from now on, mutant."
@@PikachuLittlethe Marines in the video were crimson fists. Second founding, and damn near beyond reproach. The marine is not going to lose if he kills the guardsman
"I'm sorry, it's hard to remember which among you to address when you're all trying to run away to Eye of Terror to sell your souls and are tripping over each other to do so first." "How dare you to speak to Astartes this way?!" "If as many normal people turned to Chaos proportionally as your kind does, heretics would have elected themselves as legitimate government due to overwhelming majority." Inquisitorial note: Not a single Thunder Warrior turned to Chaos.
@@TheArklyte yeah, everything goes brr... Until there no more guardsmen to pull the triggers. And marines will probably be send to penitent crusade. If you think that, firstly, guardsmen will willingly attack allied SMs, literally His Angels of Death, without them being declared traitor by official Imperial authority and, secondly, somehow win in a fight with marines that are literally in an arm's length from them proves that you need to read some codexes and re-evaluate the power disparity levels.
The Crimson Fists in this story were on a time sensitive mission. There were some scouts who went MIA under a bunch of rubble and extracting them was extremely important. Only 3 were recovered out of a full squad. You can listen to the whole story narrated by ABorderPrince.
So instead of immediately stating their mission and pointing the general to the guy in charge they waste valuable time being a group of sarcastic assholes. Sounds about right
These were Crimson Fists Astartes, who work very well together with other branches of the Imperium. There are some chapters who do not care about working together with the Guard but certainly not the Crimson Fists.
Which Chapter was it at the Siege of Vraks, who were asked to take control of the spaceport, but just set charges and leveled it instead, because f%&k it. Then when talking to the astonished guard commander said basically "There, we helped", and then left, lol!
@@jasonwright8546 Might have been the Dark Angels? They I think took part in the first Astartes action on Vraks from what I recall which involved securing the main bridge over the large chasm and I think assaulting the space port but was also a disaster at the end as they unexpectedly encountered the Alpha Legion which badly cut up their assault force right at the finish line at which point they fucked off and left, leaving the guard to clean up the mess but also provoking a massive response from the Imperium.
Angel of absolution I think, successor of dark angel, then after that it's red scorpion (which does their job of securing the breach) then after that gray knight together with red hunter joined@@jasonwright8546
I'm new to warhammer 40k. Just started Gladius:Relics of Ruin last week and started diving into the lore 3 days ago. Was watching a short about whether or not space marines get to visit family and quite literally thought to myself "I wonder how disconnected these chapters have to be to live such different lives" lol. Thank you for these. This lore is phenomenal and the universe is so addicting. Have my first figures coming in the mail. So excited for more W40k
I might be missing some context here but I love the fact that the general was wrong the first time, then was corrected by this other guy decked out in trophies, proof of service, and thought “oh so this one” “No~”
And this is why the first HQ unit I ever got was a chaplain. Gave him a name and everything, dolled him up with bits and bobs from my other two kits I have currently
While most astartes are usually more than a little cold, I fail to see how he was showing a lack of compassion in this clip. Lack of patience and kindness, absolutely... but he's a son of Dorn.
That's the number one reason why astartes chapters are so fucking stupid in 40k. You had a similar short a while back where an imperial commander could not contact the commander. While Astartes should not take orders, they should be working together with the guard.
Why would they do that? a good number of space marines think of normal humans as lesser beings literally inferior and worthless meat shields so that they can do their jobs. It’s not right but it’s the truth many astartes see regular humans the same way Eldar do.
Blame the writers who want the astartes to be both super machismo badass warriors who are better than you while simultaneously being immature brats. And then blame the fans who don’t understand the irony of that.
Lord solar mecharius had the respect and out right admiration of most space marine chapters due to him straight up conquering the galaxy faster then the horus heresys and conquered more worlds then primarchs. With no more then a few chapters who went along for the ride and imperial gaurd.
When it comes to astarte's in Warhammer, you always go to address the most terrifying looking one of the space Marines 90% of the time they'll be the ones in charge
I just love the idea that the marines did not point behind themselves to indicate the presence of the Chaplain, but instead pointed to behind the General and the Chaplain is just standing like half an inch behind him XD
I'd think it would be easy to spot the commander. Look for the guy with the most gold, the biggest gun, or the scariest armor. Primarchs usually have all 3.
This reminds me of a running joke in Fallout 2 when you wear Advanced Power armor, which I will now translate to 40k terms. "Yes, I'm the Lord General in charge here. Don't bother telling me your name, you Astartes all look the same in that armor."
-dark angels take you in for “questioning” so they can figure out why you thought taking that tack was a good idea -you don’t have this problem with the white scars, and they accept your nicknames based on their armour adornment, such as “three-tyrants” and “sslythshoulders” -space wolfs laugh at you but your name will make it into a song later -imperial fists sit you down and explain -blood angels blush under their helmets and fantasise about you pegging them -iron hands are nonplussed, so long as your orders and tactical calls are effective -ultramarines let you off with a warning. Once. -Salamanders comment on your admirable courage, but bid that you save your defiance for the foe -Raven guard make your death look accidental
@@marmyeaterthat’s not how military rank works. The inferior rank always acquiesces to the superior one unless there’s a doctrinal or legal reason not to and even then a certain tone of respect and submission is expected. The Astarte should how told him respectfully that he was not in commands of his detachment and then offers to direct or escort the general to the one who was. They’re the ones who acted out of line.
@@Tinnitus1445 I have three counterpoints. 1: That is not how life works. Something Warhammer is actually pretty good with considering them showing Astartes killing people for disrespect sometimes (something no living creature likes). 2: General Windbag was doing this while their CO was right there and they were already acting under his orders to look for their missing scouts. (As a side note: these are Crimson Fists, and normally work alongside the Wall of Guns pretty well.) 3: That's not how the military in 30/40k has ever worked. The different branches have almost never tolerated disrespect, and Astartes in particular have never truly cared about any reprimand save those given to them by their primarch, the Emperor, and the times when what they were reprimanded for doing things that directly contradict what their primarch or the Emperor have taught/told them (and that is generally the order they care about those in). So, unless Dorn and the Emperor are suddenly against Astartes being rude when disrespected, and Roboute and Lion are all for it AND interfering in how individual chapters that aren't their gene-sons behave on a fundamental level, the odds of them wanting to do, trying to do, or managing to do anything meaningful are between zero and none.
@@marmyeater that’s probably why they have a reputation for being unreliable on the strategic level and going off to do whatever they want instead of acquiescing to the big picture. A powerful asset when they want to and a vain distraction when they don’t. Their level of independence to the Astro Militarum doesn’t serve very well. Ideally they should be folded into it as an SF force and not a separate entity entirely. A general should not have to walk on eggshells around the troops he has bigger things to worry about than offending them.
Best way to identify a ranking SM is via the helmet, its design, the helm's colour, the colour and bling on his armour(almost a definite chance if wearing artificier armour), how blinged up his weapon is(higher chance if dual wielding a melee weapon and a pistol) and if he is not wearing a helmet he may not be a SM officer but the likelihood that he is a very famous his high.
How would a normal human differentiate Artificer armor from regular power armor. Moreover there are a ton of veteran sergeants that wear relic armor. And now with the Era Indomitus, you might see mixed forces of first born and Primaris marines wearing 6 or 7 different marks and patterns of armor. Differentiating between them all as a normal human who might have never seen a space marine before would be *extremely* difficult.
Reminds me of The Trials of Azrael, where he tells Kharn the Betrayer he's the Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels. Kharn's reply? "Of course, that ridiculous helmet should have given you away."
If I was a general and they tried talking to me like that I’d simply be like “oh my bad, I just have all 1,000+. Chapters and all of their ranks memorized from across the entire imperium, apologies for not realizing sire”
He legit walked up to the first one he saw without even trying. Meanwhile the most glaringly put pf place and edgiest bastard on the planet is *right there* . I get that it's nearly impossible for most outsiders to know *most* Astartes ranks... but why the hell approach a normal marine when a Chaplain (and he obviously knows what that is) is *standing right there*
In the Lord General defense SM are so....alien to the regular guardsman/human that they military heriarchy is out of the question to know even among the IG high rank, so these astartes have no reason to act so smug
I mean, even Creed hated working with Astartes. They are incapable of working in unison with the Guard, refusing to follow orders and acting independently even to the detriment of the larger war effort.
@@falkyrie5228And Dark angels would just fuck off to the middle of nowhere with no prior warning. Although I imagine he's never worked with the first founding chapters or lamenters before?
It all depends. Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Salamanders, White Scars, and Space Wolves. . you'll USUALLY get a good response. You might even be able to joke with them depending. Star Phantoms, Dark Angels, or Marines Malevolent? Forget about it.
These astartes never realized that that lord commander will do more for the imperium in his short, weak life then most of them ever will, if the imperium lost the space marines it would be a great loss, if the imperium lost the guard there wouldn’t be an imperium
@@cybronikai1957 and yet they were still necessary for the imperium to form, like the Astartes, and more disposable than the guard, much like the Astartes
One has to remember that there are 2 paths to becoming a General in the Imperial Guard: Either you're born into the nobility of your world and are given the rank because of who you're related to, OR you EARN the position by fighting through hundreds or even thousands of campaigns against the worst horrors the Galaxy can throw at you while you develop in both skill and wits. The pompous noble ones die young while the old ones thrive from their experience.
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I enjoy that this isn't a "You're not a high enough rank to bother me" it's a "I'm not a high enough rank to be bothered by you"
How would being vastly outranked be a "protection" against being bothered? I don't quite get it.
@@Briselance It's a protection as in a way "I am just a soldier of different order of militia, you don't command me, I don't command you or my battle brothers, you have no interest with me, go and bother somebody who actually can meet your demand, with whom your interest actually lays, our conversation is pointless"
@@Briselance easy, it's "i'm not under your chain of command, so even if technically you outrank me I'm allowed to not give a flying fuck, considering my commanding officer is also present. Go bother him".
To my knowledge, even the lowest ranking Space Marine is a Mylord to every single Guardsman.
@@Chiron84
True, true. There is a big part of politeness in that. But an actual authority? I don't know.
Anyway. Good day to you.
"With all due respect" said the Space Marine, with the maximum possible amount of disrespect.
I mean, that's basically a fancy way of saying "listen here you little shit"
With all due respect, all due respect being zero…
the saying is “with all *DUE* respect”-it says nothing about how much respect the person is due.
@@dazenguile4215 Yes, there's basically two ways that this comment can be interpreted. The first is that the space marine is being sincere, and that the Lord General simply isn't due any respect. The other is that the Lord General is in fact worthy of respect, and that the space marine is mocking him because he doesn't care.
Which one is more accurate, I leave up to you.
@@GregoryZavoluk then he would have said "Without due respect"
the only way to interpret it is the first one
The chaplain in the corner waiting angrily for the commander to realize he’s in charge
Menacing staring intensifies
"They forgot I'm him."
Why isn't the captain being addressed? The chapter master ror captain is usually the highest up in the hierarchy?
@@heywoodyablom captains are too valuable to lead every mission and chaplains are still fantastic leaders but technically not as high ranking
@@FrozenPyro06 thanks mate, I was split between thinking it was just disrespect and the captain not leading this mission personally.
Commisar Cain was once sent on a diplomatic mission to act as a connection between the Guard and the Astartes of the Reclaimer Chapter.
He realized it would be a harder task than he thought when a commander ranted about the Astartes hierarchy and that their highest ranking officer is "just" a sergeant, which he found disrespectful.
Quick way to die lol
And if I know the best commissar the Imperium has ever seen, I bet he was cursing in his mind, not really paying attention and trying to figure out a way to leave the situation with all his limbs in place
@@LucasSouza-jf1smpretty much! He actually did very well with those guys and they developed a lot of respect for him as a normal human.
@@CrunchyKnuts such is the way of master Ciaphas.
I don't remember that scene. I'm fairly sure the first time he talks to them (you know, besides being rescued from the necrons where he was more or less just picked up as collateral by the strike team) it's directly to the captain and his officers.
Though, I absolutely love how they go from 'not respecting you would dishonor our chapter' to 'we will allot you a time slot to spar in our training chapels', which, as pointed out in the book, are basically consecrated grounds and holy relics for the marines, and eventually just outright sending him an entire detachment (no clear number but they literally lined the entire space from door to the freaking shuttle with marines) as an honor guard when he leaves, with the captain himself heading it JUST to thank him.
Though to be fair, the captain is implied to be under the impression Ciaphas took on an entire army of tyrranid to divert attention away from a squad of TERMINATORS and not only came out on top but used an ork army to help destroy the genestealers. Which, if Cain hadn't been running to save his hide, would have taken balls with more adamantium than the entire strike cruiser's armor plating put together.
"Welcome back!"
"With all due respect, why are you addressing me?"
"Oh, apologies, it is tradition among my men to show some sign of relief at the return of surviving warriors. With all the same due respect, I was hoping you could point me to your commander."
"Oh, that's the big man in black."
"Thank you, great warrior."
Diplomacy 101
Brother, with that mental ability you could even negotiate with the orks, good answer.
@@publiocornelioescipion8803 Oh, it's very easy.
*AHEM*
"Yo, Ork. Wanna prove ya da stronkest and krump something worth krumpin'?"
"DO I!? SHOW DA WAY, NEW BEST GIT!"
*And then show the Greenskin the way to the Eye of Terror*
@@thedevilsadvocate788 Are you telling me that in order to negotiate with others I must know their way of thinking and have enough humility to adapt to their ways?That could end very well...or making Khorne the strongest Chaos God of all.
@@publiocornelioescipion8803 It wouldn't change much, due to Khorne being literally the strongest god and possibly the oldest. The only reason he seems weaker is because there are three other gods he needs to wrestle with. Just remove Tzeentch from the equation, and all of a sudden, there is no one to stop him from killing everyone, because who's going to *think* about ways to counter him?
(And by Khorne and Tzeentch, I of course refer to them as concept, not individuals. The moment there is no "planning and strategy", brute force and blind rage would 100% win against the search for pleasure.
However, not sure who would win between Khorne and Nurgle, because... well... you can do a lot with brute force, but illness is very insidious and can fell the mightiest of warriors.)
@@thedevilsadvocate788 The Idea is that Tzench and Slanesh are just there to make things spicey as fuck. Khorn is the strongest now, nurgle will be the only thing left in the end no matter what.
If there's anything I've learned about space marine lore, its that you NEVER disrespect a chaplain
That’s how it be in irl lore too lol
Or a librarian, or a apothecary, or a champion, or a tech-marine...
@@faity5649 or a scout marine for that matter
@@mistadangerzone8362or any other type of marine, dont disrespect any of them
Same thing in the real Military lol
Imagine having such a sick drip as a sargeant that someone have mistaken you for Captain. I would take that as a compliment
When it comes from such haughty people as this one, I can get why they dont give a F.
@@dwarfie24what on gods green earth is your comment even supposed to mean.
When it comes from people as haughty as this one, I can understand why they don't give a fuck.@@Cubert0331
@@Cubert0331I think the first part is meant to say “when it comes”
@@Cubert0331 My guess:
When it comes from such haughty people as this one (the guard commander), I can see why they (the SM) don't give a fuck.
I find the astartes going "no, you don't address me either" before even having the General speak funny. He read him in a instant.
The lowest ranking astarte is still hyper intelligent, as they have to caliculate battle plans on the fly, in the battle, sometimes thinking new strategies up with out knowing the full scope of the battle, in like 2 seconds. And they have to be ready for if the links in command go quiet.
@@VA_Nightshadeyou would think so in the way they are hyped up. But theres nothing to See there in the Horus Heresy books
@@Hangman11 Horus Heresy mass production vs Post Heresy slow production.
@@Daktanglenah, it’s just that nobody at GW has any understanding of tactics beyond “shoot thing with big gun until it stops moving”
@@PikachuLittle
"What if we group up-"
"AAND HIT IT 'TIL IT DIES"
It’s either the one covered in the most blood, or the one you’re convinced is trying to be edgiest looking but can actually make it work
Your usualy looking for a skull on their shoulder rhis signifies a sargeant normaly the one incharge of a group of ten marines this angers many gaurds generals tho as sargent is such a low rank to them but space marines do t need so many ranks
@@demonic_myst4503 the rule of thumb is, if one of your boys equal to 10000 of his man it make a captain of astrates has equal authorities with IG generals and as he also commanded a strike cruiser and its escort fleets a space marine captain also has direct command over more than 100.000 of crews, a sergeant also sometimes "captained" an escort ship which make a mere Sergeant could ordered around up to 15000 crews aside his 10 man squad.
“Who the devil do I speak to!?”
*Chaplin stands there menacingly*
“… He’s right behind me isn’t he?”
Lmao
Why did this kill me? Lmao
@@gabezepeda5010 *intense stare* rigth behind his neck
Executed for mentioning devils
*Insert cloaker sounds from payday 2 here*
"... May I go back to talking to the sergeant?"
**CHAPLAIN VIBRATING FURIOUSLY**
*phone vibration noises*
"Your space marine is ringing"
Vibrating in such fury that he can phase through walls.
@@patrickiamonfire965
C'Tan: IMPOSSIBURU
Grimaldus: REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Someone gonna answer that?
REPEEEEEEEEENT!
Well with a thousand different orders of Space Marines which do or do not adhere to the Codex Astartes i cannot blame the general XD
Some chapters have fairly standard heraldry and then some chapters have literally no info on their rank structure so fuck anybody trying to sort that let alone a guardsmen who has never seen more then one or two chapters.
@@icecoldpolitics8890 most Guard Regiments, like 95-99% of them NEVER even see a single Space Marine, there are trillions of guardsmen and billions of regiments, and there’s only roughly 1000 Space Marine Chapters in the entire galaxy
Seeing a Space Marine is like meeting a figure straight out of mythology for the vast majority of guardsmen, there are a few planets where the odds are significantly different, such as Cadia before its fall, but for the majority of Imperial worlds the Space Marines are just stories told by priests
@@3adgamd3r And even if you see one, you often don´t live to speak about it, as either the enemy or your allies via strategy or purging cause your death.
Theres about three of the 20 founders that have spawned a few orders that are "nice" does a general welcome and address anti air cannons that are ai ? No. You just let them protect you
@3adgamd3r as a huge basketball fan I've always thought of it like NBA MVPs. There are tens of millions of basketball fans all over the world and only around 40-50 people have ever won the NBA MVP award. If you meet one, it's a once in a lifetime thing that you tell all your friends about.
That was an unreasonably intense "ME."
Well
It IS a chaplain
I disagree
It wasn’t intense, just frustrated at the entire debacle.
It's a chaplain, hes shitting his power breeches
Chaplains have no chill
I love how this is just a simple conversation dipped in a bit of confusion. And the intensity level kicked up to 100 for no reason.
The main draw of 40k for me is literally just "the intensity level kicked up to 100 for no reason" in all aspects
general: "so who am i talking to!?"
SM: "the priest..."
general: "oh f***!"
"My lord, you all have different colours and heraldry. Sometimes it's taking some time to judge if I'm dealing with loyal or traitor and the fact that they are killing my men isn't even a deciding factor!"
Him saying that would have his head vacated from his body
@@samuraibear5102but he would’ve been right.
@@icecoldpolitics8890 Yes, but I guess many people had that on their toombstone.
@@icecoldpolitics8890 no, he wouldn’t, and even if it were true saying it still does not make him right
@Desm0708 He absolutely wouldve been right. There are multiple instances of Space Marine friendly fire against the guardsmen
"You do not address me, either"
The way he spoke the line is somehow, really hilarious.
It also makes me think that that particular Marine has dealt with that very scenario before.
Communication is indeed a big issue, many communication arrays are damaged or non functional. You can get an order and get there 4 months later when the planet is already lost, wasting 4months of travel.
@@Xaffire Um, where does 4 months come from if all space transfers occur through warp?
@@А.Д.А-л2у Warp travel is inherently unreliable in multiple ways. One of them is that the time it takes to move somewhere can range from seconds to centuries.
There is one story about an ork freeboter (I think?), whose ship exited the warp at the same place they entered, but before the actual warp jump. Said ork proceeded to kill his other version so he can have 2 of his favorite shootas.
@@gehtdichnixan9005 This is exactly what I meant, since the Warp creates a “space-time sleeve”.
Smart-ass Astartes. 😂
Smart-Asstartes?
@@joshuablakeney2983 Smart Ass Tarts
Smartes
Smart ADD TARTARE SAUCE YOU NONCE
Missed opportunity
Bro did the book really say "ME!!!" in like, size 54 font like you just yelled it? that would be badass.
Sir that was a hiss as far as chaplains are concerned. If he yells, run. If he yells at u, just go ahead and end it early.
@@nikik5567 The "Emperor's Gift"?
Marines forget why they fight. They're supposed to the protector of humanity. But in moat cases I've seen they treat ordinary humans like insects.
they protect them that's it
@@thewhitewonderer3424 they are bastards who lost sight of what it's actually about.
Because they are insects. They do protect humanity. How many times have marines fought on hive worlds just to die? Armageddon seems to be a prime example. And educate your self. Months of shame, learn it. And maybe you’ll see a side of marines you didn’t know of.
And the inquisition is far worse to its people than marines could ever be
Space marines fight for humanity, the imperium and the god emperor. They do not fight for individual humans. Humans are rife with corruption and live a life a 10th as long as some space marines if they are lucky so it stands to reason they would struggle to relate to them thats why they fight for what humanity could be one day not for what it currently is otherwise nobody would still be fighting in the universe of 40k. There is a good quote that summarise this 'humanity has lived under a brutal regime where billions die every day for over 10 thousand years, and they are our only hope' I think everyone is aware how terrible humanity is and they fight in the hope one day when peace has finally arrived they can fix it
Protectors not baby sitters
Guardsman: hey, welcome back lord
Space marine: ohh I like this one
😅😂😂
Hugs guardsmen "no one will ever believe you"
If it's a Salamander it's capable to go "Don't call me 'Lord'. We are brave soldiers of the Emperor. I'm Amenus of the Burning Company. And you, guardsman?"
@@pedroivantaveraferreira3037 errr my buddies call me tiny tim my lord errr I mean big green man
@@art-o-cart5166”absolutely… no one”
In the 4th Edition Codex, there was an Ork Boy talking to other Orks, and he talks about how Humans are pink, soft and squishy, not big mean and green like the Orks, but he doesn't point that out as their main flaw or weakness, instead, he goes on by saying that humans can't tell who's in charge except for the badges and uniforms, and he continues by mocking saying that when one wants to lord over the other he says "I'm special so you worship me" or "I know something you don't so you better listen up", he continues by saying that the funniest part is that half of them (humans) believe and half doesn't, so while they're arguing about who's in charge, the Orks keep clobbing them up good.
In summary, an Ork gives a lesson to other Orks about the main weakness of humankind is not their biology or technology, but their massive and fragile ego.
I mean humanity is pretty similar to the Ork boyz. We assign importance by size as well. Guardsmen, Space Marine, Custodes, Primachs, then Big E. Each time the size increases.
All the practical, real-world applicable stuff in 40k comes from the mouths of Boyz.
thank you for that!
That boy must have been reading text in red ink.
These low intelligent mushrooms have no idea what they talking about. Size of the shoulder pads determine importance!
One hate is one of my favorite stories from 40k. My group references it regularly. If we talk about marines laughing, we just go "click click click" because it mentions that the gemeral can hear their inter-squad vox comms clicking under their helmets, and he knows they're laughing at him.
Isn't that from Helsreach?
That sounds like Helsreach.
All those jokes I make about Astartes being beetles or some kind of bug kinda seem more accurate than they should now lol
@@AdeptKing nah. Its in the nightlords ominbus when the nightlords are laughing at the corsairs while using their teminators as bullet shields
@@anthonywright2489 Nah, Helsreach is more of
"They are speaking gossip because they would rather fight in the battle in space above than to wait here idling."
The general knows they are speaking in private, not laughing at him.
This is why i like salamanders, their generally nicer….”welcome back” *sticks nose up at* “why you adressing me” like geeze were on same side man
No dude, this is a legit thing in the military. A grunt doing their job, and e1-e4/5 have no real business talking to most officers and CO's. It was considered bizarre in my ship that I consistently just walked up and engaged in conversations or asked for signatures on paperwork with officers as high as the department heads (O3/4) and could get away with just causally engaging in conversations with the CMC, XO, and CO. However I was both known for being brutally honest and uncaring about on ship politics and so a good source of info from the lower enlisted, that I really didn't care about rank all that much other than to pay it the basic respect demanded of it (I went through the motions), held several important positions on the ship, and had positions that were directly granted to me by the CO.
But if you were an officer from another branch other than to pay you the basic of respect with a salute and greeting my response if any of them demanded something of me was to direct them to an officer or to tell them I have prior orders I have to follow. They were not my chain of command, it doesn't matter what rank they are, my command holds positional authority over them. And them demanding things of me I cant help them with is irritating to deal with.
Same side doesn't mean much tbh. Irl today or in the 42nd millennium. He may be *a* commander of astares, but dealing with pompous generals isn't his job and he just got back from the fight. What little politeness he *may* have shown in better circumstances is not currently present. Especially given there is little to no reason for the general to be bothering him. This isn't a strategy meeting, odds are he's gonna try to throw weight around... Basically, what I'm saying is that the Lord General is bothering the wrong person at the wrong time and almost certainly with zero authority to do so.
Props to the general talking down to a massive Space Marine with an imperial drowl.
I'm completely convinced that 90% of the Imperium's problems would be solved instantly if people could just fucking listen to each other in command scenarios 😂
“Excuse me are you in charge?”
“No it’s him over there”
“Thanks”
No more pointless drama
I feel only a few have the talknojutsu art within them, say maybe only Sanginius and maybe Ciaphas Cain.
Cain, a Primarch, the emperor and an inqusitor are the only true ends of command. No one argues with their command with out trying to be funny. Some note worthy people do pop up who come close, but fall short like Lord Admiral Spire.
For clarity: I was listening to "The Fall of Cadia" when I made this comment. I still stand by what I said.
@@capadociaash8003 Traitor Marine at the siege of Terra: ”Are you in charge?”
Perturabo: “No, I’m not. I should be. Everyone knows I should be. The loyalists are lucky I’m not. But I’m not. Talk to Horus if he lets you, I’m leaving.”
Fulgrim: “Why would I care about that? Wanna bang?”
Angron “AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH”
Alpharius: “Yes? No? Maybe? I think I’m supposed to be dead.”
Magnus: “I’m just here because I have to be. This is dumb.”
Mortarion: “Nah, Horus is, now get in formation, we have to walk slowly towards this heavily defended gun emplacement.”
Lorgar: “I’m supposed to be! The gods chose ME *sobs like a baby*
Horus: “Yes, obviously. Now, bow before my greatness, grovel at my feet. I am the rightful ruler of mankind and my glory shall eclipse all!”
Erebus: “I’ve been in charge the whole time.”
Dude must of met a Salamander for his first Space Marine and thought they were all like that lmao
*must have
must have*
*must have
must've*
*must've
Irony is, for most of the "good" space marines, if an Admiral or General treat them as military assets like anything/anyone else, they'd likely get much more respect.
If anyone treated them that way they would quickly lose their marine support, lol
@@royce9018Fuck dem marines, better get more battalions of guardsmen. After all entire Imperium is primarily held together by baseline humans, not some genetically engineered space autists with daddy issues.
@@royce9018Depends heavily on the individual Chapter and which Legion they hail from.
I feel like Manus’ sons wouldn’t care much. They’d see themselves as weapons rather than warriors or even soldiers, same with a few Imperial Fist and Raven Guard successors.
But the more pompous and warrior like marines(Space Wolves, White Scars, Blood Angels and Ultramarines) would be disrespected by the idea of being treated like just another Combat-Asset by a Mortal Commander. Though some of them would continue fighting irrespective of how they’re treated.
@@Tyrion-Syndications I feel like the Ultramarines wouldn't care much either. Not so much because of a lack of arrogance but by how much they're integrated with their pdf.
@@JeRefuseDeBienPrononcerBaleine
For a second I couldn’t figure out if you meant pdf like adobe or pdf like defense force.
Wow. You went the extra mile to get the music to loop perfectly.
The best way to sum this conversation up.
"Your not my boss, hes standing over there."
I mean, their rules are in totally different Rulebooks, even!
They were in the same book and shared most of their stuff in the 1st edition, the Squats were in there as well
Meanwhile Grimaldus: "We are forever in your debt steel legionerre!"
Chad Grimuldas
Grimmy is a top lad.
Except if you complain that you were incorrectly marked as dead and no longer are receiving paychecks.
Then he might let you live as repayment, if he’s in a patient mood.
Or else he might just “fix” the issue in the record..
He is pure.
That was really funny 😂😂😂😂
"With all due respect..."
Okay, wow. I feel like that was the cruelest way an Astartes can say to neg an un-augmented human.
It's got the same kind of energy of "Is this your child?"
Nice way of telling someone off I guess.
I found it rather respectful really... why is saying "with all due respects" bad in that case? The astartes was simply confused why the lord general talked to him, the sergeant
@@durianten2353 This is extremely long, but formatted for easy reading. You just need to read the first 2 paragraphs, I promise. The rest of it is legit me covering my bases from trolls.
I personally didn't interpret it as confusion; I took it as a show of many astartes' lack of respect of mortals. However, maybe I did interpret it wrong.
He did say "...With all due respect," however I stand by this: A true show of respect would be removing your helmet, greeting the general, and then sharing intel/logistical information. Actions speak louder than words, and the Space Marines' actions felt more like a semi-veiled threat to the general. I thought of this as them thinking "We are better than you," basically.
I'm ignorant to the rest of the story, so naturally of course I am open to being wrong.
(You can stop reading the reply here and it'd be perfectly fine. The rest is meant for people who've been 40K fans for over a decade.)
I am a new fan of 40K (4 years or so.) I don't like grimdark as a story trope at all. And I'm going to say it: 40K is NOT grimdark anymore, of course it used to have in prior editions. I firmly believe that after the Great Rift opened, 40K was no longer a grimdark setting.
Personally, I do not find 40K a compelling setting if it's just parody and depression. However with G-Man and The Lion back, there is that small sliver of light. I firmly believe that the reason 40K exploded over the last few years is directly due to removing the pure grimdarkness.
I'm getting this out of the way now: No, I don't love Ultramarines; I find them generic and pretty boring. But that is not a bad thing. I love the Salamanders, specifically because they try to stay connected to humanity. The scene in Pariah Nexus of the Salamander removing his helmet to comfort everyone is truly moving to me.
Here's the reason I added all this explanation: I dislike the Black Templars. A lot. It's because of their selfish zealotry. This isn't saying "BT are evil," I'm not saying they need re-writting. I'm simply trying to give perspective on what makes 40K appealing to me. And having "good guys" to dislike adds a level of nuance, and that naturally makes stories better.
(I genuinely wrote all of that purely because I am in no mood for trolls/old school snobby fans.)
I love it when Space Marines remember that they're meant to lift humanity up; rather than taking it's place. (And I am talking about in warzones too.)
If this was just an example of Space Marines being on the spectrum and a more comedic moment, that's cool, and I will concede to being a bit harsh. A misunderstanding/awkwardness is okay. That being said, I took this as the textbook "Astartes > Humans" arrogance that some chapters have.
@@XXMatt0040XX ahh your explanation makes it so much clearer to me. The comparison to the salamanders taking a helmet off in pariah nexus to this scene whos a night and day difference in regards to the amount of respect given.
Thanks for giving your time to explain my silly question!
When considering to converse with an Astartes:
If he's charred and dressed in green, I'm sure he'll be keen,
should he be any other kind of brother, save yourself the time and don't bother.
I'm sure the Lamenters would be chill too.
@@GeraltofRivia22You know, if they’re not dead.
Disconnected military power? A smart enemy can exploit that some how
They do.
Meanwhile the ogryns behind generals were ready to protect favorite humies if can man try some shit
They’d die valiantly might even kill a space marine lol.
@@chrisspink8873 replace might with will, as even Horus had problems against slightly argumented ogryns during HH
@@chrisspink8873 Ogryns are strong enough to rip-off heads from Chaos Space Marines with ease. Not to mention being so stupid they won't realize they are dead and fight on regardless until somebody points it out to them.
They got this.
@@chrisspink8873Those genetically engineered space autists with daddy issues are gonna get bodied by good ol’ ogryns who have superior strength and numbers
@@CommanderBohn feel like they are too slow. Atleast in the books where I’ve seen them take on space marines. They have to get lucky in grabbing them.
It's quite difficult to understand who is in commonand in a group of astartes if you're not one, especially since every chapter has is peculiarities.
Not even memorizing the codex itself is enough since it's not followed by all the chapters and the ones who follows do it in various degrees
Yup. They should just send a pdf stating stuff like that before going on the campaign. This level of disorder is just goddamn stupid.
If in doubt, use ork logic. The flashiest git is clearly the one in charge.
@@EVILSCOTSMAN2k11 the dude here tried and failed, ork logic is for da boyz only
@@EVILSCOTSMAN2k11 or just old, or bored, or just into flashy bitz
At least with Codex compliant ones, you'd be able to find the ranking officers who could at least begin pointing you to who's in charge.
It's like having an imperial noble try and figure out who is in charge in the Catachan regiment.
Well atleast they correct his mistake, unlike some other chapters, particularly the one thats pretty fucking malevolent.
Like the Marines Malevolent?
@@randalftheblack2572 or the Angry Marines 😂
@@guyver441 The former would pop a bolt in his ass. The latter would be more likely to use him as a snowboard.
@@guyver441those don’t exist, dead meme is dead
@@BoatmayneThaUnsinkable they're still most fun
"Nah nah nah man, don't talk to me. You talk to him over there. The guy in all black."
Note to self, inform the Guardsman about the drip of each rank
The space marines forget who actually does the bulk of the fighting.
They forget why they fight... 🤦♂️
"Bulk of the fighting" aka cannon fodder
@@ghost1591 Nah. A thousand Astarte is still a thousand. A great asset, great shock troops, but they can't be everywhere. A planet is very big for that. It's a shared effort.
@@ghost1591 My dude, half the loyal space marines in cadia were doing random bullshit disconnected from the planets actual defence. Black templars literally spent ages defending a random fucking church for example. The "canon fodder" did the actual holding back against chaos forces (and this is not unusual, guardsmen on many occasions have had to defeat chaos forces/warbands with traitor space marines on their own).
@@SeaBass215AM This. They're meant to lift humans up when needed; not to override and replace them.
They're meant to inspire hope and morale, not cripple logistics.
Man the more of how I hear about how space marines treat regular people the less I like them (salamanders are cool tho)
Imagine how many objectives in war were lost because the Astartes decided to fuck off to do a mini-quest. Must be an annoying blessing to have space marines operating in the theater
Blood Angels are usually pretty friendly, Space Wolves once nearly threw down against the Inquisition to protect civilians. Lamenters are famous for constantly doing the right thing and then getting dunked on by the universe.
I wonder if there were any moments when baseline humans just snap and light those genetically engineered space autists with daddy issues up
Astartes, just like the Imperium as a whole, aren't the good guys. You're not supposed to like them, or any other faction for that matter.
@@justwannabehappy6735 i mean you can at least respect the guard
So whats your purpose?
To defend the imperium
So what do you do?
Make it as hard as possible to form a coherent structure in defending said imperium
This is why part of me just roots for everyone else.
When Orkz have a more coherent and functional chain of command than you, someone has messed up bigly
@@PikachuLittle like tbh why I can't get into being part of the imperium just gets boring how bad they treat their own troops like how are there even humans left most are killing each other, AND THERE ON THE SAME TEAM
Thank idiot Guilliman for turning 9 legions into hundreds of chapters.
@@PikachuLittle always blame Magnus
This is kinda honestly why I like the Necrons so much. In my eyes they kinda deserve to rule the galaxy. They were here first. They had a way shittier planet to evolve on, their lives were miserable, they got tricked by star eating demons, and when shit hit the fan, their society was able to unite all its factions
"No, Lord General, you do not address me either" 😂 the preemptive shut down was just so funny for some reason 🤣
"Dude, I clean toilets. Why do you think I can help."
There was no disrespect intended on the Lord General's part, so the Astartes' condescension and mockery is uncalled for. Someone like the Salamanders or Demetrian Titus would just politely correct the Lord General and guide him to who's in charge, instead of wasting time with platitudes. It's even more baffling they act that way when those Astartes are Crimson Fists, who famously have Pedro Kantor and their Chapter Master. Kantor has been shown to be one of the most patient and compassionate Chapter Masters towards regular humans, so seeing men serving under him be so callous to them is kinda jarring.
To be fair they are still sons of Dorn, so them being Callous is not surprising and in that same story where Pedro kantor is being compationate half of his remaining Astartes really weren't, voicing that they should leave mother and her children because it would just slow them down
The general having a thrill that he could command Astartes undermines your point.
@@JSmith99like they would know that they are space marines they have no social skills and they are sons of rogal hence they have the social skills worse than a rock
PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO! 🎉
@JSmith99 But the thing is... He should be able. Space marines can fuck up an entire campaign because they don't want to coordinate their actions with the other troops. Hell, these dimwits even sabotage their own allies' effort...
On top of that, high-ranking officers of the Imperial guard are the ones with actual knowledge of their theater, as they can fight on the same planet for 15 years or more.
I would love if the next line from the General was "Great. What are we to do ?."
Like, cool Mr kill bot, me and my men were sent to this hell world to fight, I'm just trying to do that. Why are we wasting time with this comical back and forth.
The General rolled up polite, mis informed, but from my understanding Generals will go there whole lives never seeing a space marine.
The thing is, most space marine chapters are "holier than thou", unless you're talking to an ultramarine or a salamander, I really wouldn't expect any respect from them.
Heck, they're literally hailed as grandchildren of the God Emperor. I think one mistake the general made was that he was speaking to them in a tone as if they were children. From the way it sounds as well, he's not supposed to be the one in charge, he's simply in a collaborative effort. They're not his men, he shouldn't be acting as if he has authority over them.
Instead of not backing down, and saying "I'm addressing you, because you look to be the one in charge" in a condescending tone, he should've just started with "who is to be addressed" to begin with.
In a collaborative effort, you don't gain respect of a separate chain of command, by slinging more disrespect.
@@citizenvulpes4562 just because you are from another branch of the military doesn't mean your rank doesn't command respect. You don't get to piss on an admiral's shoes just cause you're a soldier and not a sailor. He is a general for pete's sake. As far as one's concerned, the common Marines are just suped up soldiers, not officers.
@australianword3812 The problem with that comparison is that Astartes aren’t “just another branch”, they’re near-literally the “angels” of your religion. Even the lowliest among them can take out multiple ppl with both hands tied behind their back. It should be almost like speaking with an Inquisitor: they’re outside & above your chain of command, treat them like the demigods they are.
@@UGNAvalon Their god dispenses people worshipping him and now every single juiced up killer bot wants a Temple dedicated to them. I haven't seen a single compassionate marine corp unless they are salamanders or ultra marines or wolves. Most are just pricks
@@australianword3812 I mean, in the Imperium? Sure, a soldier won't get away with passing in an Admirals shoes, but being a bit snide as long as he doesn't issue direct insult? Happens all the time. Inter branch respect is just... so rare it may as well be unobtanium.
Sure, there's exceptions to this, principally with the chapters that are know for their kindness... but this one ain't one of those.
"Well, now that that's out of the way. I had intended to let you know an enemy attack was imminent but you're probably ten seconds from knowing they're here yourselves. Best of luck."
Reminds me of the time i was taking a humvee to our railhead to go over seas and a random sergeant major stopped me at a red light and asked if the faulty door was on the pmcs sheet and i responded with "fuck if i know" as the light turned green. I have a forgetable face and wasnt even in the unit was driving for.
General: I’m in charge!
Chaplain: do you feel in charge?
General: I’m the leader of these guardsmen
Chaplain: and this gives you power over me?
"My apologies, my lord. It simply took me some time to memorize your glorious chapter's ranks and heraldry. I certainly would not want to mistakenly order a full ten hours artillery bombardment upon our... allies... A shame, that would be."
"Mind your tone, mortal. Before I mind it for you."
"Certainly sir. I will correct my addressing of you from now on, mutant."
Random Guardsman: “you know he could kill you right?”
General: “At this point it’s become a game. He knows if he kills me, he loses”
@@PikachuLittlethe Marines in the video were crimson fists. Second founding, and damn near beyond reproach. The marine is not going to lose if he kills the guardsman
@@insertedgynamehere That's why the imperium is a fucked up place. The single reason being no one gives a damn about anything.
@@insertedgynamehere Its a reference to DBZ Abridged. Vegita and Tenshenhon have this thing between them... its funny.
I like this general.
"I'm sorry, it's hard to remember which among you to address when you're all trying to run away to Eye of Terror to sell your souls and are tripping over each other to do so first."
"How dare you to speak to Astartes this way?!"
"If as many normal people turned to Chaos proportionally as your kind does, heretics would have elected themselves as legitimate government due to overwhelming majority."
Inquisitorial note:
Not a single Thunder Warrior turned to Chaos.
Preach it, brother! (Although don't, because the Imperial Truth forbids that)
Powerful are the Astartes. Emotionally mature they are not.
POV: You see your Lord General from a distance becoming a pile of broken meat, and you are horrified.
@@NovantisGrimwal Astartes had gone rogue, as expected, well melta and tanks go brrr...
@@TheArklyte He was right in the end. Oh well. Anyway, send out a distress signal to the Red Talons and hold the position.
@@TheArklyte yeah, everything goes brr... Until there no more guardsmen to pull the triggers. And marines will probably be send to penitent crusade.
If you think that, firstly, guardsmen will willingly attack allied SMs, literally His Angels of Death, without them being declared traitor by official Imperial authority and, secondly, somehow win in a fight with marines that are literally in an arm's length from them proves that you need to read some codexes and re-evaluate the power disparity levels.
Love your vids, you got me into warhammer and I even wrote some stories on some of the characters you told me about, so thanks
“Oh a chapla….. ITS LEANDROS!!!!!!”
“KILL HIIIIIIIIIIIIIM!!!!!!!!”
Wow, this really is the 40K equivalent of a Karen demanding to speak to a manager, and getting exactly what they asked for
The Crimson Fists in this story were on a time sensitive mission. There were some scouts who went MIA under a bunch of rubble and extracting them was extremely important. Only 3 were recovered out of a full squad. You can listen to the whole story narrated by ABorderPrince.
Mind to tell me which video it is?
So that's who they are and why they didn't take the general's head off.
So instead of immediately stating their mission and pointing the general to the guy in charge they waste valuable time being a group of sarcastic assholes. Sounds about right
@@PikachuLittle 100%
I mean, in the imperium the most edgy fucker is usually the one in charge and no one out edges a chaplain.
These were Crimson Fists Astartes, who work very well together with other branches of the Imperium. There are some chapters who do not care about working together with the Guard but certainly not the Crimson Fists.
Which Chapter was it at the Siege of Vraks, who were asked to take control of the spaceport, but just set charges and leveled it instead, because f%&k it. Then when talking to the astonished guard commander said basically "There, we helped", and then left, lol!
@@jasonwright8546 not sure about that, i rarely keep up with table top and codex lore, i dont count it as canon personally.
@@jasonwright8546 Might have been the Dark Angels? They I think took part in the first Astartes action on Vraks from what I recall which involved securing the main bridge over the large chasm and I think assaulting the space port but was also a disaster at the end as they unexpectedly encountered the Alpha Legion which badly cut up their assault force right at the finish line at which point they fucked off and left, leaving the guard to clean up the mess but also provoking a massive response from the Imperium.
@@DanielDem87 I believe I heard it in Arch's Vraks series, but I don't know what he sourced that from.
Angel of absolution I think, successor of dark angel, then after that it's red scorpion (which does their job of securing the breach) then after that gray knight together with red hunter joined@@jasonwright8546
Ngl it sounded more like they were addressing their little brother that mom tells you to take along when you hang out with friends lol
I'm new to warhammer 40k. Just started Gladius:Relics of Ruin last week and started diving into the lore 3 days ago. Was watching a short about whether or not space marines get to visit family and quite literally thought to myself "I wonder how disconnected these chapters have to be to live such different lives" lol. Thank you for these. This lore is phenomenal and the universe is so addicting. Have my first figures coming in the mail. So excited for more W40k
I might be missing some context here but I love the fact that the general was wrong the first time, then was corrected by this other guy decked out in trophies, proof of service, and thought “oh so this one” “No~”
Ah yes the Chaplain. The Astartes PR department for sure...
And this is why the first HQ unit I ever got was a chaplain. Gave him a name and everything, dolled him up with bits and bobs from my other two kits I have currently
General: *who am I to address of you miscreants?!*
Pointing to Literally death: m̶̡̛͕̺̖͔͈͔̰̟̭̲̎́̊͐̈́͌̓̔̚͟ê̴̡̥͖͍̣̣͓̜͖͙̏͊̒̃̀͜͟͠
Bro spoke in bold and all caps. *ME*
That "Me" was personal
🤣☠️
I like how the concept of compassion towards friendlies is just nonexistent in most space marine chapters’ genes
While most astartes are usually more than a little cold, I fail to see how he was showing a lack of compassion in this clip. Lack of patience and kindness, absolutely... but he's a son of Dorn.
I can't help but hear "...bitch" at de end of each space marine answer
if they are from the emperor malevolent then yes and also the general would be shot on spot for yapping too much XD
That's the number one reason why astartes chapters are so fucking stupid in 40k. You had a similar short a while back where an imperial commander could not contact the commander. While Astartes should not take orders, they should be working together with the guard.
Depends on the chapter, who you are, and if your name is Yarrick.
Why would they do that? a good number of space marines think of normal humans as lesser beings literally inferior and worthless meat shields so that they can do their jobs.
It’s not right but it’s the truth many astartes see regular humans the same way Eldar do.
Blame the writers who want the astartes to be both super machismo badass warriors who are better than you while simultaneously being immature brats.
And then blame the fans who don’t understand the irony of that.
@@CuriousLumenwoodthey are better your just coping
That’s why my homebrew Chapters typically will fight alongside a guardsmen regiment or several.
Lord solar mecharius had the respect and out right admiration of most space marine chapters due to him straight up conquering the galaxy faster then the horus heresys and conquered more worlds then primarchs. With no more then a few chapters who went along for the ride and imperial gaurd.
The astartes in that exchange were pretty respectful tbh.
Translation was simply: I'm not the boss here. I'm not the one to talk to, general.
He sees 3 angels and approached them in order of how friendly they looked.
Unfortunately for him: the angriest looking one was in charge
When it comes to astarte's in Warhammer, you always go to address the most terrifying looking one of the space Marines 90% of the time they'll be the ones in charge
Maybe not if it's Blood Angels or Space Wolves...
If its salamanders the commander is the 1 wearing the most fire
I just love the idea that the marines did not point behind themselves to indicate the presence of the Chaplain, but instead pointed to behind the General and the Chaplain is just standing like half an inch behind him XD
Chaplains are in their own category of "Do not f*ck with"
Ultramarine: Their conduct was unprofessional.
Salamander: And rude!
I'd think it would be easy to spot the commander. Look for the guy with the most gold, the biggest gun, or the scariest armor. Primarchs usually have all 3.
Chaplain: ''Me!''
General: ''I think I just shat myself''
No matter the chapter you can always tell which astartes is a chaplain
This reminds me of a running joke in Fallout 2 when you wear Advanced Power armor, which I will now translate to 40k terms.
"Yes, I'm the Lord General in charge here. Don't bother telling me your name, you Astartes all look the same in that armor."
that response could either make you explode in blood, dissapear mysterously or gets respected by the entire chapter
-dark angels take you in for “questioning” so they can figure out why you thought taking that tack was a good idea
-you don’t have this problem with the white scars, and they accept your nicknames based on their armour adornment, such as “three-tyrants” and “sslythshoulders”
-space wolfs laugh at you but your name will make it into a song later
-imperial fists sit you down and explain
-blood angels blush under their helmets and fantasise about you pegging them
-iron hands are nonplussed, so long as your orders and tactical calls are effective
-ultramarines let you off with a warning. Once.
-Salamanders comment on your admirable courage, but bid that you save your defiance for the foe
-Raven guard make your death look accidental
Can you please explain the blood angels one?
What is with the blood angels one
Imperial Fist: “Okay let me break it down for you.” *Break dances.* “Got it?”
'Why are you talking to me and not the guy in the all black armour with the skull face that stands out like a sore thumb?'
"with all due respect, why are you addressing me?" is about the most respectful possible answer he couldve gotten
Lord General of the DKoK, thinking to himself: ... Remember, they are loyalists, Otto... They are loyalists...
I cant wait for the Lion and Gulliman to beat this stupidity out of the chapters
For real. Fuck these stuck up ass space marines.
This was the general's fault, if anything they should reprimand him.
@@marmyeaterthat’s not how military rank works. The inferior rank always acquiesces to the superior one unless there’s a doctrinal or legal reason not to and even then a certain tone of respect and submission is expected. The Astarte should how told him respectfully that he was not in commands of his detachment and then offers to direct or escort the general to the one who was.
They’re the ones who acted out of line.
@@Tinnitus1445 I have three counterpoints.
1: That is not how life works. Something Warhammer is actually pretty good with considering them showing Astartes killing people for disrespect sometimes (something no living creature likes).
2: General Windbag was doing this while their CO was right there and they were already acting under his orders to look for their missing scouts. (As a side note: these are Crimson Fists, and normally work alongside the Wall of Guns pretty well.)
3: That's not how the military in 30/40k has ever worked. The different branches have almost never tolerated disrespect, and Astartes in particular have never truly cared about any reprimand save those given to them by their primarch, the Emperor, and the times when what they were reprimanded for doing things that directly contradict what their primarch or the Emperor have taught/told them (and that is generally the order they care about those in).
So, unless Dorn and the Emperor are suddenly against Astartes being rude when disrespected, and Roboute and Lion are all for it AND interfering in how individual chapters that aren't their gene-sons behave on a fundamental level, the odds of them wanting to do, trying to do, or managing to do anything meaningful are between zero and none.
@@marmyeater that’s probably why they have a reputation for being unreliable on the strategic level and going off to do whatever they want instead of acquiescing to the big picture. A powerful asset when they want to and a vain distraction when they don’t. Their level of independence to the Astro Militarum doesn’t serve very well. Ideally they should be folded into it as an SF force and not a separate entity entirely.
A general should not have to walk on eggshells around the troops he has bigger things to worry about than offending them.
Best way to identify a ranking SM is via the helmet, its design, the helm's colour, the colour and bling on his armour(almost a definite chance if wearing artificier armour), how blinged up his weapon is(higher chance if dual wielding a melee weapon and a pistol) and if he is not wearing a helmet he may not be a SM officer but the likelihood that he is a very famous his high.
How would a normal human differentiate Artificer armor from regular power armor. Moreover there are a ton of veteran sergeants that wear relic armor. And now with the Era Indomitus, you might see mixed forces of first born and Primaris marines wearing 6 or 7 different marks and patterns of armor.
Differentiating between them all as a normal human who might have never seen a space marine before would be *extremely* difficult.
Reminds me of The Trials of Azrael, where he tells Kharn the Betrayer he's the Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels.
Kharn's reply?
"Of course, that ridiculous helmet should have given you away."
The best way to know who is in charge in a sm chapter is usualy the one that don't where a helmet in battle.
@@Begbras That's just what Space Furries would like you to think.
@@redcap1923Also funny when you remember that Kharn has a very fancy helmet as well!!!🤣🤣🤣
Astartes:with all deu respect, why are you addressing me
General:and I took that disrespectfully
If I was a general and they tried talking to me like that I’d simply be like “oh my bad, I just have all 1,000+. Chapters and all of their ranks memorized from across the entire imperium, apologies for not realizing sire”
He legit walked up to the first one he saw without even trying. Meanwhile the most glaringly put pf place and edgiest bastard on the planet is *right there* . I get that it's nearly impossible for most outsiders to know *most* Astartes ranks... but why the hell approach a normal marine when a Chaplain (and he obviously knows what that is) is *standing right there*
The Astartes Commander : You guy all fail social examination
In the Lord General defense
SM are so....alien to the regular guardsman/human that they military heriarchy is out of the question to know even among the IG high rank, so these astartes have no reason to act so smug
So that General did finally get in touch with their commander
this is why I regard Titus more than the average Space Marine, because in SM1, Titus actually respected Guardsmen.
"With all due respect" to "the general hadn't expected this level of disrespect" makes so much sense.
I mean, even Creed hated working with Astartes. They are incapable of working in unison with the Guard, refusing to follow orders and acting independently even to the detriment of the larger war effort.
For example, Black Templars would stand guard on temples in the middle of nowhere that had ZERO strategic value.
@@falkyrie5228And Dark angels would just fuck off to the middle of nowhere with no prior warning. Although I imagine he's never worked with the first founding chapters or lamenters before?
You mean ALL of the value due to their reverence to our God-Emperor, dont you? DONT. YOU.?@@falkyrie5228
It all depends. Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Salamanders, White Scars, and Space Wolves. . you'll USUALLY get a good response. You might even be able to joke with them depending.
Star Phantoms, Dark Angels, or Marines Malevolent? Forget about it.
These astartes never realized that that lord commander will do more for the imperium in his short, weak life then most of them ever will, if the imperium lost the space marines it would be a great loss, if the imperium lost the guard there wouldn’t be an imperium
It was the Astartes that built the Imperium, without them it would have been impossible.
@gaz9957 It was the thunder warriors who united Terra, and look what happened to them
@@mcarrowtime7095 The thunder warriors were a patchwork solution to an urgent problem. The astartes were designed with longevity in mind
@@gaz9957 its thinking like that which lead to horus heresy.
the astartes do not and will not ever lead the Imperium.
@@cybronikai1957 and yet they were still necessary for the imperium to form, like the Astartes, and more disposable than the guard, much like the Astartes
The idea that my enemy’s commanders are chaplains instead of sergeants and captains is utterly terrifying 😭
In a normal situation the sarge mightve been in charge of the squad, but a chaplain was with them.
"Uhm I don't want to talk to that space marine".
Chaplain: Did you pray today, Lord General?
General was gangsta until he saw the skull helmet😅.
That "Me" did not need to hit that hard good lord.
“With all due respect, Mr. General, I had no idea you'd gotten experimental surgery to have your balls removed.” - Ricky BloodAngels
One has to remember that there are 2 paths to becoming a General in the Imperial Guard: Either you're born into the nobility of your world and are given the rank because of who you're related to, OR you EARN the position by fighting through hundreds or even thousands of campaigns against the worst horrors the Galaxy can throw at you while you develop in both skill and wits. The pompous noble ones die young while the old ones thrive from their experience.