Well, 24inches at 300yds would be about 8moa, yes. But his worst shots never fell outside the #3 ring (better than 8moa) - and the point of the comment was his ability from multiple resting positions.
Very impressive indeed. I do wonder if the results would change significantly if you waited 10 minutes between groups. I mean we know the WWSD doesn't wander off in a spesific direction but we also know that the froups do open up some.
The Warhammer charging handle digs into my back when I have the rifle slung on my shoulder or across my back and occasional hits my spine. I had to go with a smaller charging handle,. I grabbed a Presma ambi charging handle.
It'd be nice if there was a UK compliant version of this rifle for those of us that shoot over here and aren't allowed such beastly things as assault machine guns (semi-automatic centre fire rifles)!
Maybe it's more of a stability issue? Off the bipod there's less downward pressure allowing more gun movement before the bullet has left the barrel? The other positions physically hold the rifle down, just a thought?
Nicely done just keep up with the excellent informative content Tbh that's better than I would do Love these shooting videos Bestest from Scotland stay safe stay well to you and yours
Interesting: I get 2 MOA upward shift with a bipod which is actually more than a bit annoying switching from prone to sitting and is quite significant on a fig 12 target. I've also noticed when mag resting that if I also use a sling at the same time it can move the group to the left when increasing the tension. I've tried a change of handguard and change of barrel and it still happens, I'm going to see if switching to a thick walled upper makes any difference...
@@BlokeontheRange I've not noticed much POI changes in other positions and definitely didn't have similar issues with a Ruger Precision in 260, perhaps the effect is more pronounced with the puny 223? Didn't you have an AR10 (failing that STG57): maybe a repeat test with heavier calibre is in order?
the "all over the place" (relative for sure) could it be because of the harmonic of the rifle on hard surface or something like that when you're on the mag ? Or I'm complety off by thousand of miles :-P ?
First time watching one of your videos, what a nice range with the electronic scoring. I found a company that makes a transportable electronic scoring target, it's on the short list of things to buy now.
Free floated barrel or not, the barrel and handguard still mate at the barrel nut. A bipod at the end of the handguard is going to apply a greater moment on the handguard than holding it anywhere else. And moments act on whatever fulcrum you have. So the barrel nut is going to take on that moment and transfer it to the barrel as well. AR-15 free-floats are not truly free-floating
Except that your pressure is on the wrong end to actually fulcrum the barrel since it’s connected near the chamber, not at the end where the bipod is. Any pressure you put out there is negligible at best.
@@potatodonut8185 I can buy a brand new H&K MR 762 or a SCAR if I want to and I live in the country next door. The US has a skewed view of gun ownership in Europe, in a lot of countries you can own the same kind of stuff that you can in the US. It's just generally more expensive and a longer process. But if you have the wish and the means.
Isn't it a misnomer to say that the barrel is free floated given that the gas tube is attached to the gas block which is attached to the barrel and the gas tube goes into the gas key on the carrier group? So in actuality only the handguard that is free floated?
Technically, yeah but you’re realistically not putting any real forces onto the gas tube or gas block with those hand guards; having built one myself for perspective.
Usually it's the handguard. It makes sense to say free floated here comparing it to the A1 how the barrel is touched. In the truest sense only non gas operated rifles could be free floated. At the top of special order rifles for long range, there are rifles that don't care for free floating but to actively influence the resonance for repeatable shots for 2-3km and beyond. Don't hang yourself up on those terms. Same with DI...just call it Stoner DI and enjoy a range trip.
Are you allowed suppressors? Question I have about the WWSD2020 is the effect of the weight of the can on the pencil barrel, especially if shooting sideways under a baracade etc.
The question in this case is how much will it shift from different holds. A rifle that shoots perfectly only when held perfectly isn't what most people would call "good".
There's a reason why such tests are not typically done with a rigidly-clamped rifle, cos it won't necessarily vibrate in the same way as when held by a real human. In any case, here we're looking at how different ways of holding/resting affect things.
While I know that you are an experienced marks man, I believe I saw many things in your shooting technique that you might work on and improve. Breathing, trigger pull, tracking ... my2cents
This is a cool test can't wait to take my new side charger out and test it out along side my a2 carbine gonna be hard going for us in the states to get any ammo not made here for and I'm saving my m193 and 855 so I'll be buying up some steel before it's gone
It appears that, as previously shown by Sir Ian Gunjesus, the WWSD is more accurate than Chewbacca's Bowcaster - Thank you, Range Bloke :)
Inrange: we've created the ultimate fighting rifle, peak ar 15 performance for its day
Bloke: sick, imma meme the shit out of though
That’s 20 shots at 328 yards from 4 different suppor styles all within a 24 inch ring? That’s not bad at all.
That's about 8moa isn't it?
Well, 24inches at 300yds would be about 8moa, yes.
But his worst shots never fell outside the #3 ring (better than 8moa) - and the point of the comment was his ability from multiple resting positions.
“Bog-Standard” ammo?
Is that what we Americans would call “Plain-Jane” ammo?
Very impressive indeed. I do wonder if the results would change significantly if you waited 10 minutes between groups. I mean we know the WWSD doesn't wander off in a spesific direction but we also know that the froups do open up some.
The Warhammer charging handle digs into my back when I have the rifle slung on my shoulder or across my back and occasional hits my spine. I had to go with a smaller charging handle,. I grabbed a Presma ambi charging handle.
It'd be nice if there was a UK compliant version of this rifle for those of us that shoot over here and aren't allowed such beastly things as assault machine guns (semi-automatic centre fire rifles)!
Late to bed, but early to the video. I'll make that trade.
Truly enjoy your work, you go where no one else really goes, and do it with a sense of humor....thanks 👍👍
Maybe it's more of a stability issue? Off the bipod there's less downward pressure allowing more gun movement before the bullet has left the barrel? The other positions physically hold the rifle down, just a thought?
I was like "Whaaa" when you shot a better group free than hasty slinged and magpodded. That is such a great rifle!
What Would Stoner Do or What Would Schmidt Do... you be the judge.
It's a pretty nice little doodad, and is still fairly light with a, red dot, bipod, light, forward grip, sling mounts, m-lok rail, and sour skittles.
Sorry I didn't subscribe sooner ,found you from InRange and I must say this is great content 👍
I’m sure the Bushmaster is sitting all sad and neglected in the corner now…
Nicely done just keep up with the excellent informative content
Tbh that's better than I would do
Love these shooting videos
Bestest from Scotland stay safe stay well to you and yours
Interesting: I get 2 MOA upward shift with a bipod which is actually more than a bit annoying switching from prone to sitting and is quite significant on a fig 12 target. I've also noticed when mag resting that if I also use a sling at the same time it can move the group to the left when increasing the tension. I've tried a change of handguard and change of barrel and it still happens, I'm going to see if switching to a thick walled upper makes any difference...
Are you sure the difference is all flex and nothing to do with the fact that POI will be different in different positions anyway?
@@BlokeontheRange I've not noticed much POI changes in other positions and definitely didn't have similar issues with a Ruger Precision in 260, perhaps the effect is more pronounced with the puny 223? Didn't you have an AR10 (failing that STG57): maybe a repeat test with heavier calibre is in order?
the "all over the place" (relative for sure) could it be because of the harmonic of the rifle on hard surface or something like that when you're on the mag ? Or I'm complety off by thousand of miles :-P ?
Id like to see an Elcan scope on your rifle, may shrink your groups!
nice shooting...look forward to the analysis of why groups where where they were
Mirrors my experience. Group opens up a bit from heat (2moa to 4moa I observed), but center of group remains the same
Where is GGG ammunition made? Love the Hawaiian sling.
I believe they are Lithuanian, so yeah probably a bit busy at the moment.
You heard the man, become Patreons so he can afford a better looking sling. 😉
Could you provide more info on the jacket you recommend in the video?
Voilà www.varusteleka.com/en/product/sarma-tst-woolshell-jacket/59958
@@BlokeontheRange I'll second Bloke's recommendation. I've had one for the past 3-4 years. Sturdy, warm, and great for layering.
First time watching one of your videos, what a nice range with the electronic scoring.
I found a company that makes a transportable electronic scoring target, it's on the short list of things to buy now.
Who makes it? Where are they for sale?
love the sling
It goes well with poi, but reduced salt Spam is indicated
More than vaguely interesting, Bloke
Definitely a good rifle, and not too shabby of a shooter either bloke!
What about suppressed vs unsuppressed?
Gonna shoot much lower with a suppressor. I don't own a suppressor though and have no plans to get one.
Where can I order the shooting coat?
www.varusteleka.com woolshell jacket
Which bastard killed Kenny?
What a lazer beam.
I think you got something caught on your rifle...
My AR's show the greatest dispersion between the first and second shots, why is that
On many rifles a cold bore shot can be out of the group.
So, a free-floated 2020's production pencil barrel shoots more accurately than an a not free-floated1980s era production pencil barrel? Umm, yes?
I don't know about you, but I was curious about just how much.
The stress relief on the barrel makes a difference
Bump
Cool
Free floated barrel or not, the barrel and handguard still mate at the barrel nut.
A bipod at the end of the handguard is going to apply a greater moment on the handguard than holding it anywhere else. And moments act on whatever fulcrum you have. So the barrel nut is going to take on that moment and transfer it to the barrel as well.
AR-15 free-floats are not truly free-floating
Except that your pressure is on the wrong end to actually fulcrum the barrel since it’s connected near the chamber, not at the end where the bipod is. Any pressure you put out there is negligible at best.
What country are you from? And how do you get such weapons as a M16 A1? Are they legal there, or are you like specially liscensed?
He means a European market Colt 601 which is _essentially_ a civilianized version of the M16A1. As for where he lives, he lives in Switzerland.
It's actually a genuine m16a1 blocked down to semi. Apparently you can convert them since the new law of 2019 without any further licenses than usual.
@@lazylobster31 I never though I would want to be from Switzerland.. but...
@@potatodonut8185 I can buy a brand new H&K MR 762 or a SCAR if I want to and I live in the country next door. The US has a skewed view of gun ownership in Europe, in a lot of countries you can own the same kind of stuff that you can in the US. It's just generally more expensive and a longer process. But if you have the wish and the means.
@Nicholas Coulter it's an actual M16A1, 9-million serial number range. Blocked at semi.
What ever happened to the integrated bipod foregrip that Karl and Iain spotted at a Shot Show a few years ago?
Grip pods are so 20 years ago! :D
@@BlokeontheRange... Found it.. The BLK LBL bipod forend.
Is that a vintage Stan, or are they still printing the Brian Boytano stickers?
It's one from Redbubble so probably unauthorised!
@@BlokeontheRange Ah, well done then.
Just a point as a old firearms instructor , falling groups normally signify lazy elbows ,, just an observation, but good shooting though 👍
The real question… What would Brian Boitano do if he were here right now? He’d probably kick an @$$ or two, that’s what Brian Boitano do!
Isn't it a misnomer to say that the barrel is free floated given that the gas tube is attached to the gas block which is attached to the barrel and the gas tube goes into the gas key on the carrier group? So in actuality only the handguard that is free floated?
Technically, yeah but you’re realistically not putting any real forces onto the gas tube or gas block with those hand guards; having built one myself for perspective.
Usually it's the handguard. It makes sense to say free floated here comparing it to the A1 how the barrel is touched.
In the truest sense only non gas operated rifles could be free floated. At the top of special order rifles for long range, there are rifles that don't care for free floating but to actively influence the resonance for repeatable shots for 2-3km and beyond. Don't hang yourself up on those terms. Same with DI...just call it Stoner DI and enjoy a range trip.
@@aqui1ifer ASCKTUALKY
@@LaughingMan44 Aaaannnnnd there it is 🤣 /s
Are you allowed suppressors?
Question I have about the WWSD2020 is the effect of the weight of the can on the pencil barrel, especially if shooting sideways under a baracade etc.
I feel like both Karl (inrange) and Russel Phagan (sinistralrifleman) have done tests that do show POE shift, but not a widening in dispertion.
Yes, we can have suppressors in Canton Bern, but I don't have a need for them so don't want to spend the monies :)
@@BlokeontheRange Switzerland is such a civilised place.
What a plonker.
Mount it in a gun vice and test for dispersjon that should give you a good indication how good the gun is.
The question in this case is how much will it shift from different holds.
A rifle that shoots perfectly only when held perfectly isn't what most people would call "good".
There's a reason why such tests are not typically done with a rigidly-clamped rifle, cos it won't necessarily vibrate in the same way as when held by a real human. In any case, here we're looking at how different ways of holding/resting affect things.
While I know that you are an experienced marks man, I believe I saw many things in your shooting technique that you might work on and improve. Breathing, trigger pull, tracking ... my2cents
You're welcome to come and beat me at a competition to prove I'm doing something wrong and that you can do it better.
This is a cool test can't wait to take my new side charger out and test it out along side my a2 carbine gonna be hard going for us in the states to get any ammo not made here for and I'm saving my m193 and 855 so I'll be buying up some steel before it's gone