There's no way this dude's a pro. All professional electricians in my area. Never throw anything in a box. They just drop it on the ground for someone else to pick up
@@saywhat6632that’s the point. It’s not attached to anything else, therefore, electrons will look for their own path. And the painted fixture bonded exclusively through the mounting screws offers too much resistance to clear a fault
Real pro gets the cabinet detail first and island layout at rough time, then charges again at trim to move them to be the exact location where the designer moved the island to!!
I wouldn’t call him a hack. I always ground the box but once everything is up all the metal pieces with be grounded . Also. The canopy might add enough volume to let 2 -14s in there
When I use to go to work with my dad I always would build spaceships out of wire nuts, the little wings make them look like a tiny rocket ship lol. I went to work from age 4-14, worked in the summer and got paid and I gained tremendous skills
Just a word to the wise I would cover that peninsula.... If scratched could probably be fixed with a service call but that's not a cheap replacement and some customers will try and take advantage
@@christopherrudd1229 Table 314.16(B) 14 gauge wire is 2.00 cu in 2 cu in hot 2 cu in neutral 2 cu in for the grounds up to four wires 2+2+2=6 Romex connector doesn’t count. Pancake is good for 6.00 cu in. Nothing more can be installed. Only one 14/2 romex is permitted.
The way we get around it for inspection is we use an extension ring when we have 2 hits for the rough to get our clearance but at finish they come off and get used on the next one
I did a bunch of work for a family friend for free. Hanging drywall, insulation, and installing lights/fitting trim. The whole time I talked about how useful a laser level would be for hitting studs when hanging drywall, and after we finished, I found one in the mess of tools the guy we were doing work for had.
Industrial electrician here. I cannot even tell you how many of those tan Ideal wire nuts I have used over the years. Many thousands. I use the Ideal orange ones for smaller wire.
That’s what the builders want. They want these cookie cutter houses done as fast as possible and what he did right there and shares as fast as possible. Yeah I know it’s no legal pancake illegal, blah blah blah too many wires but it’s all bullshit they just pretend to be safe it’s all it’s all bullshit.
@@petercsomor2917 Not necessarily, it goes off the cubic inch rating of the box and the sum of the cubic inch of your wires. That pancake box is only good for one 14/2 conductor though
I'm guessing that there is an open attic above those because you didn't fish those electrical cables out through that half inch hole without damaging that drywall
I do this for a lot of different fixtures that are dependent on other room finishes for positioning. Islands, vanitys, wall sconces. Coil up the wire in the general location, then cut them in after the vanity mirror, furniture pieces, and whatever else the interior decorator is gonna freak out about not being dead on point.
Yes, we saw the pancake box was ungrounded and yes he had two 14/2 in one pancake. Yes the canopy will hold the extra box fill, yes I know code doesn’t allow for that. The job he is doing is better then most I see. He is a bit arrogant but life will hopefully help him learn humility. God Bless.
Coming from someone who has done island lights for 10 years, you nailed it! Ignore all the comments about not covering the island, the place will be cleaned later anyway so a bit of drywall dust added to the cleaning job is not something a professional has time for. Also, the grounded light is connected at 2 points to the box so even though it's code to ground the metal box, the practice is redundant and really a waste of time. No time to strain at that gnat.
Pancake boxes aren't sufficient for box fill and they aren't even grounded properly! The only thing I do agree with is throwing away the cheap wire nuts.
Ground your metal box with a ground screw. Plus you are not allowed to put more than one romex into a pancake box. If you think your going to land on a roof truss or floor joist, then you need to pull multiple switch legs from your switch box.
I just bought one and literally can’t wait to use it primarily so I can say…I’m going to the truck to get “The Laser” and use the Dr. Evil finger air quotes. SEND IN THE FEMBOTS!!! 😂
I'm one of few pros who uses those orange wire nuts. They grab better when it's just one load conductor and one fixture conductor. Where there's two load wires from a daisy chain, I use the tans and save the orange wire nuts for later.
@@damoncarfagna6559 it's only rated for one 14-3 or 1 14 2 or 1 12 2 when you put two wires in one box it over rates it when we use them we use a bigger junction box that way you can run one wire to each if there are multiple pancake boxes it is definitely a violation of the National Electric Code if you have more than one wire in a pancake box
Pancake box is only rated for one set of wires. You can’t have two sets of wires coming in to one. Proper way is to run wire from switch to a JB and then run two wires from JB to each pancake. Obviously this was after rough inspection so was not inspected.
Save orange wire nuts for low voltage wires. And the box is grounded until that fixture ground is disconnected and over on box fill with 2 wires in ur cake. FYI DIYers plz don't ever use the center K/O on a pancake boxes. Some fixtures use a threaded nipple in the center to hold up fixture and wires could short.
How about having a set of plans with detailed drawings that have a layout for your work. I have done that on 25 story condos and not one was installed out of center.
I’m curious about the backsplash stone wall in the kitchen or maybe it’s just a wallpaper Don’t look like has grout Bad idea for backsplash but if you if you splatter grout spilling out of grout lines like Joanna Gaines kitchen then yes it would look great
Very nice 👍 install job fellas, you obviously have taken the age old kitchen remodeling adage to heart, you measure three times and cut only once. One quick question though, how important is it to have the dropped height of your new pendant fixtures the exact same height as the already existing dropped pendant fixture over the kitchen table? In cases though where there is no kitchen light over the table constraint, what is the standard height of the new pendant light fixtures over the peninsula countertop? 😎
those wire nuts were forbidden in Finland about 30 yeara ago, as they, any of them don't hold enough and caused many fires. We have whole different systems (more effective ones) on use nowadays.
The ground goes to the fixtures the fixture is screwed to th box with metal hardware they are grounded even if you attach the wire to the box you are still depending on a screw A box rated for 1 cable would be useless He is messing with yall the light boxes and island fell right where he wanted Looks good Dude
There's no way this dude's a pro. All professional electricians in my area. Never throw anything in a box. They just drop it on the ground for someone else to pick up
😂
He didn’t go in the attic so I agree he is a pro
Hahah
If he was a pro he'd know those boxes he used are only rated for one wire not two.
This made me lol
If you're going to take the time to perfectly place those lights, at least also take the time to ground those metal boxes 😅
He cant...he is bored!
There's no point in it. It's not attached to anything else and the fixture is grounded already. Also, it's connected by metal to metal through fixture
@@saywhat6632that’s the point. It’s not attached to anything else, therefore, electrons will look for their own path. And the painted fixture bonded exclusively through the mounting screws offers too much resistance to clear a fault
He probably grounded the pancake box, what you saw that wasn’t grounded was the bracket. I assume
@@jasoncevallos4073no, there should be one more bare copper wire. He just spliced the two romex cables together
I believe your box is overloaded!
Two switch legs would’ve been so much extra romex. Inspector never gonna see it lol
It is
@@jaderhuff81 do it to code even if the inspector won't see it.
Ya, box fill is not right! One 14-2 in a pancake box.
Real pro gets the cabinet detail first and island layout at rough time, then charges again at trim to move them to be the exact location where the designer moved the island to!!
Do we work for the same people?😅
Dude custom work changes ,cabniets change ,layout changes ,money gets burned .
Change orders = more money
where is the dropcloth over that nice countertop.
Nah the pros use the 3M blue and Orange for small fixtures.
No pros use 3m red tans
Just came here to read the TH-cam electrical experts comments.
Well did you learn the proper way?
Or do things like this guy did.
I was too busy teaching your wife how to use a torpedo level. 🧐
It's becoming a new hobby
Did you learn the boxes the guy used are only rated one piece of wire not two?
would be nice if you cover the floor and countertop …. pro !!!
For real ..... Probably a couple grand to replace that peninsula
Fact!
Such a pro didn't ground the metal box and pancake boxes are only rated for 1 14/2 Romex not 2.... Not a pro but definitely a hack
Great video editing skills though 👌
I was looking for this comment to see if I needed to leave it on this video.
@@johnh8546 me 2 lol 👍 but I was gonna just keep it to myself
I wouldn’t call him a hack. I always ground the box but once everything is up all the metal pieces with be grounded . Also. The canopy might add enough volume to let 2 -14s in there
Aw let the guy some slack, the fixture is grounded who gives a shit about the box
When I use to go to work with my dad I always would build spaceships out of wire nuts, the little wings make them look like a tiny rocket ship lol. I went to work from age 4-14, worked in the summer and got paid and I gained tremendous skills
Totally agree about the wire nuts
"I'm just an island light" 🏝
Oh I'm an island light!!!
Just trying to get a watt tat tig
Good work here
Except the island lights really are island lights.
That’s exactly how I do it except I use drop cloths and don’t make a huge mess. And ground boxes.
Just a word to the wise I would cover that peninsula.... If scratched could probably be fixed with a service call but that's not a cheap replacement and some customers will try and take advantage
Real pro would have covered the table with a drop cloth
FYI… we can’t install 2 romex in a pancake box in Canada
It’s the same here is the US.
It’s not the same in the US as long as you use the appropriate bushings/Romex connector and account for box fill.
@@christopherrudd1229
Table 314.16(B) 14 gauge wire is 2.00 cu in
2 cu in hot
2 cu in neutral
2 cu in for the grounds up to four wires
2+2+2=6
Romex connector doesn’t count.
Pancake is good for 6.00 cu in.
Nothing more can be installed. Only one 14/2 romex is permitted.
The way we get around it for inspection is we use an extension ring when we have 2 hits for the rough to get our clearance but at finish they come off and get used on the next one
@@AnxOG663 code violator
I did a bunch of work for a family friend for free. Hanging drywall, insulation, and installing lights/fitting trim. The whole time I talked about how useful a laser level would be for hitting studs when hanging drywall, and after we finished, I found one in the mess of tools the guy we were doing work for had.
It's also important not to forget the
coors light
You forgot to mention the most important part! The empty beer can at the end !!!😂 Real Professionals!!!
Industrial electrician here. I cannot even tell you how many of those tan Ideal wire nuts I have used over the years. Many thousands. I use the Ideal orange ones for smaller wire.
I only use marrette.
What a pro! Destroyed that island top
I do this for vanity lts. Just yell at the contractor for moving the island after it's been laid out and my boxes are in.
Orange blue wire nuts we use. Really professional.
Pancake boxes are awesome. But that one with 2 14/2's in it would fail inspection in my area that follows NEC...
Before posting a video. Please review. Ground the box and limit wires in pancake box. Way to go “pro”.
That’s what the builders want. They want these cookie cutter houses done as fast as possible and what he did right there and shares as fast as possible. Yeah I know it’s no legal pancake illegal, blah blah blah too many wires but it’s all bullshit they just pretend to be safe it’s all it’s all bullshit.
It’s what the pros do. His video editing skills are better than his professional electrician skills
Yeah I thought it was 1 cable max in a pancake box?
@@petercsomor2917 Not necessarily, it goes off the cubic inch rating of the box and the sum of the cubic inch of your wires. That pancake box is only good for one 14/2 conductor though
As a retired electrician, who's always been fussy, I have to like this. And yes, toss those wirenuts!!
Wirenuts done correctly are far better than those new parts. They can't hold up to loads . Look up to see the failure look like .
you sure made some easy money that day !
quick tip always carrie a moving tarpto
cover the counter top next time, will save you some headaches,
Lol I toss the oranges typically too lol and prefer the tans
Love the attention to detail.
cover the island nexttime almost perfect..
Where I'm from joists aren't placed randomly and are pretty easy to find.
Thank you for showing the pancake gange box. A very important part of a electrical job that get missed morenoften than one would think
Solo se necesita poner las medidas en la isla y con laser de punto y listo, ser más limpio cubriendo para proteger la superficie.
He’s definitely a pro at code violations.
Haha...because I'm lucky. You even sound like you said it with a straight face. Looks great. You are good.
Pro tip use some plastic cover at least to protect the table
well done!
I'm soooo glad you did not say to use Wagos!
FYI pros acutally use red&yellow or orange and blue 3M brand wire nuts.. they are simply the best
Nice job, looks real good
I'm guessing that there is an open attic above those because you didn't fish those electrical cables out through that half inch hole without damaging that drywall
Nice layout!
He said, "Pretty boring!" ...Not to me, I watched it like 3 times. 😂🙌🏽
Need to ground it and use 4-0 pancake box to double up wire in there also biggest pro tip put down a drop cloth. 🤘🏻🍻
I do this for a lot of different fixtures that are dependent on other room finishes for positioning. Islands, vanitys, wall sconces. Coil up the wire in the general location, then cut them in after the vanity mirror, furniture pieces, and whatever else the interior decorator is gonna freak out about not being dead on point.
You might want to cover those counter tops next time
Yes, we saw the pancake box was ungrounded and yes he had two 14/2 in one pancake. Yes the canopy will hold the extra box fill, yes I know code doesn’t allow for that. The job he is doing is better then most I see. He is a bit arrogant but life will hopefully help him learn humility. God Bless.
Coming from someone who has done island lights for 10 years, you nailed it! Ignore all the comments about not covering the island, the place will be cleaned later anyway so a bit of drywall dust added to the cleaning job is not something a professional has time for.
Also, the grounded light is connected at 2 points to the box so even though it's code to ground the metal box, the practice is redundant and really a waste of time. No time to strain at that gnat.
never cared for low hanging lights. always hit my head on them when reach for stuff on the table.
Pancake boxes aren't sufficient for box fill and they aren't even grounded properly! The only thing I do agree with is throwing away the cheap wire nuts.
I do the same thing with vanity lights . Once they figure out where the mirror is gonna go then i make the hole for the box
Ground your metal box with a ground screw. Plus you are not allowed to put more than one romex into a pancake box. If you think your going to land on a roof truss or floor joist, then you need to pull multiple switch legs from your switch box.
I just bought one and literally can’t wait to use it primarily so I can say…I’m going to the truck to get “The Laser” and use the Dr. Evil finger air quotes. SEND IN THE FEMBOTS!!! 😂
I'm one of few pros who uses those orange wire nuts. They grab better when it's just one load conductor and one fixture conductor.
Where there's two load wires from a daisy chain, I use the tans and save the orange wire nuts for later.
3m blue/orange wire nuts are much better and smaller
I'll try them
Great lights ... but let's talk about the stone surface all scratched up from you metal tools laying right on it... try to do a little prep next time
Thankyou!!!!
Nice tutorial! Not boring at all.
Beautiful
Orange one are small makes it easier to fit wire
Pancake boxes are only rated for one wire should have used a junction box if possible in the Attic that way you could run one wire to each pancake box
One cable
Not one wire 6 cubic inches
@@damoncarfagna6559 it's only rated for one 14-3 or 1 14 2 or 1 12 2 when you put two wires in one box it over rates it when we use them we use a bigger junction box that way you can run one wire to each if there are multiple pancake boxes it is definitely a violation of the National Electric Code if you have more than one wire in a pancake box
Perfect, I do exactly the same thing 😊
Looking good as always
Pancake box is only rated for one set of wires. You can’t have two sets of wires coming in to one. Proper way is to run wire from switch to a JB and then run two wires from JB to each pancake. Obviously this was after rough inspection so was not inspected.
What if there’s no access to attic, what then
Save orange wire nuts for low voltage wires. And the box is grounded until that fixture ground is disconnected and over on box fill with 2 wires in ur cake. FYI DIYers plz don't ever use the center K/O on a pancake boxes. Some fixtures use a threaded nipple in the center to hold up fixture and wires could short.
Tan twister's! GOT IT! Thanks 👍
No, the pros use the ideal red and yellow wire nuts with the yellow skirt on the red nut
Your a dam good electrician
Sarcasm, right?
You’re
Dewalt???? I thought Sparkys only rock the Red!! Hahahah
That's true. Pretenders use Dewalt.
Pros use one of three things either 3M, those blue ones with the copper insert, or wago connectors and they never shut up about it
You are a pro..
so that explains the long snaking coil of wire between the joists
Great video.
I didn't see the Coors Light on the countertop in the beginning of the video...
Cutting in boxes on trim isn't something I want to do when everything is clean. Just use the prints and laser it out on rough in.
Also people, USE THE SAME WIRE NUTS, I have found so many installations where every single connection is made differently
How about having a set of plans with detailed drawings that have a layout for your work.
I have done that on 25 story condos and not one was installed out of center.
I’m curious about the backsplash stone wall in the kitchen or maybe it’s just a wallpaper
Don’t look like has grout
Bad idea for backsplash but if you if you splatter grout spilling out of grout lines like Joanna Gaines kitchen then yes it would look great
Bro forgot about Box fill
Box fill...
Bonding
No issue with box fill... the cover of the light is counted for the rest of the box...
You don't stuff the box huh? You go easy on it and leave room in there?
"Box fill" 🤓🤓
@@narmale most pendant lights are NOT rated for electrical box fill
Exactly what we do too
Nice Trick with that Blue tape Will be using it!
Very nice 👍 install job fellas, you obviously have taken the age old kitchen remodeling adage to heart, you measure three times and cut only once. One quick question though, how important is it to have the dropped height of your new pendant fixtures the exact same height as the already existing dropped pendant fixture over the kitchen table? In cases though where there is no kitchen light over the table constraint, what is the standard height of the new pendant light fixtures over the peninsula countertop? 😎
They always move the island cabinets, this is how we do it
those wire nuts were forbidden in Finland about 30 yeara ago, as they, any of them don't hold enough and caused many fires. We have whole different systems (more effective ones) on use nowadays.
Your lucky to have the joists to support the pancake boxes.
What happens if there is no joist for support above?
The ground goes to the fixtures the fixture is screwed to th box with metal hardware they are grounded even if you attach the wire to the box you are still depending on a screw
A box rated for 1 cable would be useless
He is messing with yall the light boxes and island fell right where he wanted
Looks good Dude
Forget the wire nuts altogether. WAGO connectors are the way to go!
Also keep clean the island
I can't believe you don't sleeve the CPCs/Earths in America
Perfect 👌
I like your attitude sir 👍
For my money and my shoulders it's Wago 221 lever nuts for light fixtures.
Wago’s are the way to go! Most new led fixtures come with them as part of the kit
Pros use 3m red and yellow
Can't use a pan box as a junction (the one with the 2 - 14/2's in Canada at least. Been doing industrial for a while now so I could be wrong.
Hack of a job!
Always used string and a plumb bob. Just recently got one of those laser things I must say it's so much faster
yes sirr! i rock tha same way. to tha T!. #RESPECTYOUMYGUY
I was wondering how they did this on our vaulted ceiling.
Can’t have two 14/2 wires in a pancake box in Canada. We do the same thing but mount blocking