watching this guy hold the shop vac for the electrician brings me back too all of the "father-son projects" from my childhood. renovated two homes with that man and I still can't distinguish my tighty from my loosey
i would have cut a milk jug off taped it to the hose and catch the dust when drilling the ceiling .. bet the bed was covered in dust ,, i worked for a contractor 30 plus years ago we were doing drywall work in a phone company .. i held the hose under the sanding block as the boss sanded ..almost like father and son ..
Should have ran a grounded 3 wire cable and installed a reinforced support box for a future ceiling fan and then you can control the fan and light from the switch outlet.
I'm no electrician, but when he opened up the attic floor you could see both sets of BX wire that presumably feed the existing fixture and run to the next one. Why not put a new box in the attic and then feed down to the new switch? Then you could plaster over the box for the existing fixture. Also, for the ceiling box, why not move over 2 inches and use a box that could attach to the joist structure?
Question, I'm planning to add a light fixture on my hallway but my ceiling has no attic because I live in a condo. What is the best option to run a wire inside of the ceiling? Thanks
Depend on what kind of roof you have if you have strapping than it’ll be easy if not you need the joist to run the proper direction if not you will have to make a lot of holes in you roof so it depends but I that’s not a problem
Hahaha. Don’t even try it. Call an electrician. This isn’t grade school stuff. This is tv land fairy tale . CALL AN ELECTRICIAN! Stick to puzzle building !
Ike Costner actually, I’ve gotten ideas from some of the comments of what should of been done differently and not necessarily the electrical side of things.
The worst critics of electricians are other electricians. I, for one , thinks Scott does OK even though I do some things differently on my electrical jobs.
Can anyone tell me what size hole saw he used to make the opening in the ceiling? I need to do the same, and want it to be the right size..... Thanks in advance!
How would you have got the wire from the ceiling top plate to the existing switch box if the switch was at the right height and you weren’t replacing it?
I would've used the intersection of two diagonal lines to find center of ceiling and since he's proverbially already dirty, pull extra wire and put in a heavy duty box structure in case a ceiling fan or some other heavy device is mounted.
Hi I need help I have the same problem wish wire to I connect to the 3 hot together and 3 neutral together I have a switch the control the outlet on and off and I what to add led Ligth in my room
I have a newer home with an open attic. Some of my bedrooms have light switches connected to wall plugs (For lamps I guess). Can I just pull the wire up the wall from the plug and run it to the center of the ceiling? Only the top plug is connected to the light switch, so I'm assuming there is another electrical connection to the bottom plug, am I right or am I about to start my house on fire?
You can remove the switch wires and reuse them. The outlet will have to be replaced though, because for a switched outlet like you describe the metal strip that links the two gangs together was cut to allow consent voltage for one and switched voltage for the other.
manorin thanks for the tip! I actually just finished this job in my own house and used a coat hanger as a locater rod and it worked great! Thanks again
This was a mostly informative video but I am wondering why the electrician did not install a fan/bar box if he had access to the attic. I know that the plastic boxes with wings meet NEC code but I certainly would not hang a fixture that way if I had access to install a bar box.
As a contractor you look to save money where you can. If the customer doesn’t want a fan why put a $20 box in if you can spend $3 instead? Think logically.
At 6:44, what's that tool he uses to strip the electric wiring? I was taught/shown to use a scalpel knife but this looks safer and much more efficient. Lol
They're wire stripper plyers. Here is a pair I most frequently use www.graytools.com/toolcatalogue/?page=product&name=Stripper%2FCutter&itemNo=1842&s_filter=&recPage=9&startRow=1&pageNum=1
At 1:45, he mentions that there are two white and black wires and that there is an additional fixture/outlet that is fed. What happens to the wires leading to that fixture/outlet that we don't see? Where does their power supply come from if the current supply is going to be going solely to the bedroom light??
I was hoping to see how to install a fixture , ceiling fan, into a ceiling of a house with a flat roof and no access from above. like if on the 1st floor and just above floor joist . How does one sneak the wires from the fixture over to the wall and over and down to a switch.?
Buy cutting access holes at every joist and at the top of the wall and running the wire. Unless the drywall is mounted to strapping on the joist there is no other way. If there is already a switch and line voltage then the big box stores carry a retrofit fan box and mounting bar for easy change out with out cutting a huge hole.
Why not check and pull those 2 bx wires back up into the attic and put a junction there and then alleviate the blank cover/junction box in the wall in the bedroom???
@@thisoldhouse Thanks for that! I was going crazy trying to figure out what he was using. I used to use old wire clothes hangers and just cut em up. Insulation rods would be much better and thinner.
wow that house needs to be brought up to code. That cloth wire looked so old. I can't believe a remodel was done on that house and the one thing they didn't upgrade is that crappy old fire hazard of a rats nest of wire.
Are you talking about those things that he was using as a drill bit to drill through into the ceiling? I believe those are the steel wire bat insulation holders that you can buy in the insulation department at most home centers and you just sharpen the end a little bit and they act as a drill bit!
More Scott Caron Made Videos! :] Very imformative every time, been watching his videos and re-watching them, as I am waiting to be called to my union to soon become an electrician.
Uhmmmm Im not an electrician,but I do know that box could have been moved to the attic for a cleaner look and that electrical wire should have been drilled thru the joists...but what do I know
Both old wires come down from the top . Why not pull them up and make a junction so you don't have to have a blank plate? Also, why not use a fan box and run a 3wire in case they ever want a ceiling fan? Heath is such a upgrade
Two things. One, wouldn’t it make more sense to put the junction box in the attic and eliminate the one in the wall? Two, why not put a fan rated box in the ceiling so that if the home owner wants to add a ceiling fan in the future, he or she doesn’t need to replace the box. Fan rated boxes aren’t that much more expensive.
watching this guy hold the shop vac for the electrician brings me back too all of the "father-son projects" from my childhood. renovated two homes with that man and I still can't distinguish my tighty from my loosey
i would have cut a milk jug off taped it to the hose and catch the dust when drilling the ceiling .. bet the bed was covered in dust ,, i worked for a contractor 30 plus years ago we were doing drywall work in a phone company .. i held the hose under the sanding block as the boss sanded ..almost like father and son ..
I love how this guy got the homeowner to do his attic work haha.
Scott Caron is a welcome addition to my favorite home improvement show.
Your cat is a welcome addition.
Finally, a tutorial that doesnt assume that an electrical box and mounting plate magically appear in the ceiling exactly where you need them.
I love how he casually knocked the cut off piece of drywall into the abyss.
Welcome to fishing wires lol
I agree. He should put screw into drywall before he cut outline for switch box. This will help by holding scew drywall piece from falling inside.
@@marcbrown8834 Why bother?
That house is full of more dangerous stuff than that little scrap of plaster!
Did artex in the USA never gave asbestos in it? We get asbestos surveys done in the UK before drilling any artex coatings.
Scott makes it look sooooo easy lol 😂
Love his attitude
I would’ve installed a splice box in the attic and patched that old fixture hole
as would I. It would've had a much cleaner look
I personally would’ve used the same box for the switch... who cares if it’s too high
@@someone321 I know,in one's house one can do as pleased
Right?! You've got access to the wires. Pull them up in to the attic and put your box up there.
Then patch the old hole in the wall.
yeah what they did was code but there are ways to make the job a little better.
Hi, at 6:17, what is that orange stopper called?
Are you using it to connect the wires? ❤️
That's called a wire nut and yes it is used to connect wires together.
lol just pops the piece of drywall into the wall haha love it!
You helped me solve my problem for powering new ceiling lights with a receptacle switch. Thanks 👍
How was it, I'm thinking of adding 4 lights fixtures to my living room and bedroom, big challenge
Oh oh , call an electrician quick !
@@rohbari5049 call an electrician, quick !
Should have ran a grounded 3 wire cable and installed a reinforced support box for a future ceiling fan and then you can control the fan and light from the switch outlet.
Innkeeper S waste of effort. Did you notice the ceiling was 7 feet? There isn’t room for a ceiling fan.
I'm no electrician, but when he opened up the attic floor you could see both sets of BX wire that presumably feed the existing fixture and run to the next one. Why not put a new box in the attic and then feed down to the new switch? Then you could plaster over the box for the existing fixture. Also, for the ceiling box, why not move over 2 inches and use a box that could attach to the joist structure?
Or just add a joist structure instead of it being uneven?
Had exactly the same thoughts. As an electrician, I find it strange to leave the box in the wall and not to move it to the attic.
That would have been the proper way to do it, BUT he's too damn lazy. It probably satisfies code, but that plate looks ugly.
Key word "presumably." Being there is everything.
Yeah you are absolutely right
What are “locator rods”? Are they just long 1/8” drill bits taped?
That's what I need to know, too!
@@badaspunkbtch me too! It looks like 1/8th bits
I feel very confident about doing electrical work now. what could wrong?
it might work when your done
Be sure to have your homeowner's fire insurance policy paid in full.
Is there a similar video for a room on the first floor and a room above? I can't go wiring and fishing in the attic like shown in this video
Extension cord, duct tape, and caulking. Done.
Yes, here is a link to a different video where Scott adds a light to a 1st floor dining room: th-cam.com/video/6r_Ni1gc5xg/w-d-xo.html
LOL.....that's a good one!
Great and informative video! How could I do this if I live in a single story home with no attic?
Ummmm, don’t! Call an electrician. It’s not hat simple . This is for tv land .
Homes can burn down if you are not skilled ,
I'm to lazy and cheap to do this so I plugged in a floor lamp on a smart plug instead, took me a whole minute
You did ot explains the how to wire with the switch or if you use pigtails???
Wtf I wish my clients went into the roof to fish wires for me
Electried group yeah but that would get annoying having to train someone every job
LMAO. Why don't you ask? I would love to go up there. Otherwise I would probably just sit in a chair thinking "he's got this... ".
Do American electricians not have to test and sign off their circuits before they energise?
Nathan Gatenby we also use tablesaw's without guards too. Living fast and free in the USA.
If it gave me a discount on service, I'll do it
I would have installed a post work gang box and attached it to a ceiling stud for a ceiling fan.
Question, I'm planning to add a light fixture on my hallway but my ceiling has no attic because I live in a condo. What is the best option to run a wire inside of the ceiling? Thanks
Depend on what kind of roof you have if you have strapping than it’ll be easy if not you need the joist to run the proper direction if not you will have to make a lot of holes in you roof so it depends but I that’s not a problem
Hahaha. Don’t even try it. Call an electrician. This isn’t grade school stuff. This is tv land fairy tale . CALL AN ELECTRICIAN! Stick to puzzle building !
i came here to hear internet Electricians tell a licensed master electrician what he should have done differently
Ike Costner actually, I’ve gotten ideas from some of the comments of what should of been done differently and not necessarily the electrical side of things.
grigsolve GET EM
Ike Costne
The worst critics of electricians are other electricians. I, for one , thinks Scott does OK even though I do some things differently on my electrical jobs.
😂
Can u explain what cable goes with what and why that would help a lot thanks
Black/hot goes to black, white/neutral goes to white, bare wire/green/ground goes to the green or bare wire
Could you please do a video of the same scenario on the first floor of a two story home. Plzzz.
lol, that is much much harder
😂😂. Call an ELECTRICIAN. AND LEAVE OUT THE WORD MASTER
Interesting how this house is wired in BX cable instead of Romex. It must be a golden oldie!
And the fact that the wires have fabric and Rubber insulation
Can anyone tell me what size hole saw he used to make the opening in the ceiling? I need to do the same, and want it to be the right size..... Thanks in advance!
4"
3-5/8”
Ummm stick to puzzle building. If you need to ask this question, CALL AN ELECTRICIAN.. AND NO NEED FOR A MASTER
GEEZ
How would you have got the wire from the ceiling top plate to the existing switch box if the switch was at the right height and you weren’t replacing it?
Cause you have only a small hole at the top and a small hole in the box through which you now have to fish the wire.
I would've used the intersection of two diagonal lines to find center of ceiling and since he's proverbially already dirty, pull extra wire and put in a heavy duty box structure in case a ceiling fan or some other heavy device is mounted.
Definitely should have been a fan box.
But but he’s a master
Thanks for the video. I really learned a lot, very clear and easy to understand.
How much does this installation procedure cost?
$34.52
If you’re gonna go thru all the work of mounting a ceiling box. Why not just put in a ceiling fan rated box for future. Just a thought?!
Hi I need help I have the same problem wish wire to I connect to the 3 hot together and 3 neutral together I have a switch the control the outlet on and off and I what to add led Ligth in my room
I have a newer home with an open attic. Some of my bedrooms have light switches connected to wall plugs (For lamps I guess). Can I just pull the wire up the wall from the plug and run it to the center of the ceiling? Only the top plug is connected to the light switch, so I'm assuming there is another electrical connection to the bottom plug, am I right or am I about to start my house on fire?
You can remove the switch wires and reuse them. The outlet will have to be replaced though, because for a switched outlet like you describe the metal strip that links the two gangs together was cut to allow consent voltage for one and switched voltage for the other.
I would have put in more than one central light. Why not add in 4 to 6 flush mounts?
Would it be better to screw the light fixture into a crossbeam? I don't trust drywall anchors.
Wires will hold it
4:40 wow that vacuum is doing so much to collect the dust
As always number 1 in town ❤📡✟✟
I plan to get the same done in our master bed. What would be the rough cost please?
Figure $100 per hour plus the lighting fixture and switch. I would guess about $500.
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Anyone know what the "locator rod" is that he is using in the drill?
It's an insulation rod- used to hold fiberglass insulation in a joist bay. The ends are pointed so they can be used as a feeler bit.
how did that rod drill through the floor board?
RangerCaptain11A I was wondering the same exact thing
You can also use a piece of beefy coat hanger with a sharp tip.. you be surprised what it will drill through
manorin thanks for the tip! I actually just finished this job in my own house and used a coat hanger as a locater rod and it worked great! Thanks again
This was a mostly informative video but I am wondering why the electrician did not install a fan/bar box if he had access to the attic. I know that the plastic boxes with wings meet NEC code but I certainly would not hang a fixture that way if I had access to install a bar box.
Why would you install a box rated for fans for a ceiling that low? Do you want your head chopped off?
They make low profile fans. So unless you are 6’ 8” tall, no problem
As a contractor you look to save money where you can. If the customer doesn’t want a fan why put a $20 box in if you can spend $3 instead? Think logically.
Easy when you have an open attic right above it... what if it is on the first floor?
gotta pop a hole at the top of the wall, and at the ceiling above the switch. drill through the top plate of the wall, and fish a wire across.
Must be fun fishing at home. Awesome
How do you run your wire if you can’t get above the ceiling? Like it’s on the first floor so above is another apartment...
Make a false/drop ceiling
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Stick to puzzle building , don’t even try
who do you call for someone to come in to install ceiling lights?
1:04 4 the Boys!
I would have kept the wall sconce. Hate those access panels.
Can someone give me more information about the type of ceiling finish that is? Is it considered outdated? What's it called?
“Ugly”
Artex
At 6:44, what's that tool he uses to strip the electric wiring? I was taught/shown to use a scalpel knife but this looks safer and much more efficient. Lol
They're wire stripper plyers. Here is a pair I most frequently use www.graytools.com/toolcatalogue/?page=product&name=Stripper%2FCutter&itemNo=1842&s_filter=&recPage=9&startRow=1&pageNum=1
where do you get those locator rods?
I use fine steel welding rods for oxy-acetylene welding and grind a point on them.
@@donl1410 I guessed that and got some! They worked great, thanks
Did he connect aluminum to copper wire?
At 1:45, he mentions that there are two white and black wires and that there is an additional fixture/outlet that is fed. What happens to the wires leading to that fixture/outlet that we don't see? Where does their power supply come from if the current supply is going to be going solely to the bedroom light??
The bedroom light is being added* to the circuit. It doesn't replace the other run. The other fixture/outlet you're referring to is still tied in.
I was hoping to see how to install a fixture , ceiling fan, into a ceiling of a house with a flat roof and no access from above. like if on the 1st floor and just above floor joist . How does one sneak the wires from the fixture over to the wall and over and down to a switch.?
Buy cutting access holes at every joist and at the top of the wall and running the wire. Unless the drywall is mounted to strapping on the joist there is no other way. If there is already a switch and line voltage then the big box stores carry a retrofit fan box and mounting bar for easy change out with out cutting a huge hole.
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Call an electrician.. stick to puzzle building .
Did I see him mix aluminum wire w/copper in the same wire nuts?
No.
I got lost somewhere and dont understand why there are two Romex coming into the box for the switch but only one above it
1 might be taking power from The switch while the other one is probably bringing power and the other one is taker power to light
Are those seven foot ceilings??
Why not check and pull those 2 bx wires back up into the attic and put a junction there and then alleviate the blank cover/junction box in the wall in the bedroom???
How much would this cost?
Can anyone advise or link me to the locating rod he used to drill up to the attic?
It's an insulation rod- used to hold fiberglass insulation in a joist bay. The ends are pointed so they can be used as a feeler bit.
This Old House hey thanks very much. Great video!
@@thisoldhouse Thanks for that! I was going crazy trying to figure out what he was using. I used to use old wire clothes hangers and just cut em up. Insulation rods would be much better and thinner.
Its called a "PEEP WIRE BIT" .032 x 36 inches
What size wire is he using?
Use a D.A.D.E dust and debris collector when cutting holes in the ceiling! Saves a LOT of mess
wow that house needs to be brought up to code. That cloth wire looked so old. I can't believe a remodel was done on that house and the one thing they didn't upgrade is that crappy old fire hazard of a rats nest of wire.
Don't think this was a remodel. This is "Ask TOH" ... not "TOH". The contractors come in, fix one problem, then head out.
See it everyday
Why would you not install a fan rated box?
This is great! Thanks!
Nicely done
What about if no attic ?
Around how much would a job like this cost?
Can I use that plastic box with a fan fixture ?
Humble Beast7 No. You need metal bracing tied into joists or rafters.
butangviber thanks!!
I learn so much from watching these videos.
Good Job 4:42
Locator rods? How do I get some?
Are you talking about those things that he was using as a drill bit to drill through into the ceiling? I believe those are the steel wire bat insulation holders that you can buy in the insulation department at most home centers and you just sharpen the end a little bit and they act as a drill bit!
They are called "PEEP WIRE BITS" they are .032 x 36 inches. But you could cut them down to any length.
I didn't see how did you feed the light switch
What if i cant get onto the roof, how can i wiring that ?😭
The guy is godsend
lmao just poking the cut piece back into the wall! haha
banihex what’s wrong with that? What did it actually hurt by doing that?
Easiest cleanup
That’s called: work smart not hard haha!
True , but right in front of the Customer , and it its a woman , forget about it , you will not hear the end of it. LOL
Leaving debris in the wall that will retain moisture is a very dumb idea.
"locator wires"
stole em from the ceiling grid guys did you?
great video as usual.
Probably a piece of his metal fish tape
If he woulda pulled the old lines up to get the j box out of the wall he could have used the existing holes for his new wire.
They are called "PEEP WIRE BITS" .032 x 36 inches. Of course you could cut them down to make any lengths.
Could have pulled the bx to the attic and made a junction box up there so you won’t have the blank on the wall
Great tips. Love these videos. I am learning a lot.
More Scott Caron Made Videos! :] Very imformative every time, been watching his videos and re-watching them, as I am waiting to be called to my union to soon become an electrician.
Not real world stuff. Don’t be fooled . Call an electrician. And not a master either!
You've got a career that'll last you a lifetime my man. Wish my son would go into the field...
I enjoyed it thanks 🙏
Uhmmmm Im not an electrician,but I do know that box could have been moved to the attic for a cleaner look and that electrical wire should have been drilled thru the joists...but what do I know
Both old wires come down from the top . Why not pull them up and make a junction so you don't have to have a blank plate? Also, why not use a fan box and run a 3wire in case they ever want a ceiling fan? Heath is such a upgrade
That appears to be a B618R style round box which are not listed or approved for fixture support in ceilings.
Thanks Mr. Deisel
good job
None of that dust went in the vacuum.
This exactly what I needed! Thank you
I think if I go to that length I want something more than 20 lbs. maybe for a bedroom fan/light.
With a low, New England upstairs ceiling, a room fan would give any modestly tall person a free hair cut.
Nights lights in the bedroom at the apartment and no lights in the sanding
What Music is used?
Unravel - Toru Kitajima
Where's the attic insulation!?
1:05 nice
Missed opportunity to say, "Niceee"
Wats the typical charge an electrician would charge for something like this ....anybody ?
I’m betting about $500
@@bgrady24 about right
nice job
I never see how you make the conections
On the light swith with 2 wires in
Single pole light switch - you screw the two black wires to the switch posts and tie off the white to each other separate from the switch.
Two things. One, wouldn’t it make more sense to put the junction box in the attic and eliminate the one in the wall? Two, why not put a fan rated box in the ceiling so that if the home owner wants to add a ceiling fan in the future, he or she doesn’t need to replace the box. Fan rated boxes aren’t that much more expensive.
How much money do you want to spend?
You want a fan with that ceiling clearance? They'd be getting their heads chopped off every day.
Great job my friend!
If he had heat shrunk the wire splice at the pass through connection, would he have needed a junction box? That cover plate is annoying.
I would have just added a flush ceiling fan in my opinion.