Hi Pete, great video again mate with lots of useful info for those that have the WS400 series2 but can't or don't want the expense of buying another gun can convert their WS to an OBS, if I find a second hand OBS tip and needle setup then I might get it for mine but I don't think I would but it new🤔 The fan pattern test was interesting as for some reason I was expecting there to see some obvious differences between the LS and WS pattern size but the LS is dryer and that's about it👌 Thanks Pete, very enjoyable👏👍
Hi John, I was expecting a difference as well in the patterns, but there wasn't much. The LS400 would normally be held closer than that, making it smaller and a little wetter, saving material in the process. They all give an excellent even pattern. There's no doubt that split tip helps atomisation at the expense of speed. It's probably more noticeable with basecoats, particularly more complex colours on roofs and bonnets, where stripping is most noticeable. I was pretty sure the physical differences between these guns would be the same as in the series 1, I had to wait until I got the set to find out. Cheers, mate, as always👍
I would like the LS400 but my setup wouldn't thank me for it 😅if I didn't use an airfed mask I would be ok but as my booth is small it gets quite foggy in there at time so I'm not keen on using a cartridge mask, I have considered a cartridge mask but I really don't know if it would be worse than my airfed🤔
@JohnWD40TC02 I hardly use my air fed these days, I have plenty of air now, but I can't be bothered with all the faffing about, I have a 3rd compressor that I used to have in a shed to supply the mask, it's pointless having the compressor in the same environment as your spraying in as it's drawing in polluted air but I just use my Moldex these days, seems fine and I have asthma. The LS400 is a good gun. It's actually a good, slow, clear gun as well. The series 2 sprays the same as the series 1, so there are no benefits to the new one apart from it matches the others 😉 😀
Hi Pete used the original a couple of yrs back it painted nice but far too much of a faff to get it set right so mothballed it and went back to the GTI pro thanks for the vid 😊😊
Hi Dean, Yeah, that was a problem experienced by many with the clear gun, that has been sorted on the new version , they obviously discovered that lining up the splits in the tip with the air horns did the trick, thanks mate, as always, it's much appreciated 👍
Hola amigo, sí, algunos lo hacen solos. La mayoría no lo hace, pero algunos de la serie 1 están bien. En realidad, sólo la pistola de barniz transparente WS400 es la que se beneficia de esta posición.
if some one asks you pete to choose betwen the sata b5000 rp which has been your treasured gun & the WS400 iwata what would you choose ? i know its a tough question but i am sure you have an answer giving one of the guns a WIN-
Hi Rahul, That's quite difficult as they are completely different. The WS is a very fine atomisation, relatively slow gun, and the Sata is a rocket. I would say, if your work was purely custom stuff where time isn't a problem, it's just the finish you are after the WS400 would win If you are a production painter or someone who wants to get on with it with a good finish, the Sata would be the tool. I'm lucky to have them both, so I don't need to make the choice as it's a tough one for sure. Cheers, mate 👍
Sorry, but you're wrong. Difference between WS-400 EVO "series 1" base and clear is that, the base version have 1.3OBS nozzle set and clear version offer more sizes, except that and knobs color, the guns is the same. But in WS-400 SR2 "series 2", there are no such similarietes. Just look on the parts codes in iwata catalogue. Even 1.3HD nozzle set in SR2 is not the same 1.3HD in EVO. The same situation is in the LS-400. If you swap parts, you create a hybrid.
Hi Buddy, I'm not sure what you are saying I'm saying that's incorrect, of course the tip set isn't the same in Series2 as the Series1 or Evo as you call it, the threads are different as I have said on many occasions, or are you talking about something else?
Maybe I misunderstood something, my English is not perfect. Do You say that the nozzle set in LS and OBS and also the aircaps in WS and OBS are the same? In series2? If so, what is this supported by?
@sim0nses Hi Buddy, yes, I am saying exactly that, the tips and caps, are of course marked differently, as with many Iwata products, but the design, hole sizes and hole pattern are the same, just as it was on the series 1 guns. The difference between series 2 and series 1, is Iwata now mark the OBS cap and WS caps differently, but physical, they are the same as each other, your English is very good BTW 👍
Ok, but these are micro parts. How did you measure the angles and diameter of the holes or the curvature of the cuts? Do you have data from the inside? LS version have ET and ETS nozzle kit (from 1.2 to 1.5, both), what is the replacement nozzle on WS? OBS, OBS-0, OBS+1 (only1.3) or mayby BF-S? BF-S version has also oder air cap.
@sim0nses I have a hole sizing tool to measure the diameter of the air holes. You can also see the angles when using the tool. You are correct about the OBS and LS having different versions of the tip, but they always have had different versions in the series 1, so nothing has changed. All Iwata have done is change the body style to something that looks better in most people's opinion and, unfortunately, isn't very durable when it comes to the digital version which is just awful on a gun costing this much money. The only thing that has been achieved with the series 2 is that the WS400 clear gun is easier to use if the tips are lined up, which I did a lot of videos on.
Cracking video 📹 mate very well explained thanks for sharing that pete whats the difference between the green cap and the blue cap please its out off the box ready to go are them better than the sagola extreme aqua 4600 1.3
Hi Andy, The green cap is HVLP, so it runs at a lower pressure and uses loads of air. It's generally regarded as a base coat gun but pretty good for as well, although quite slow. The Sagola is a faster gun. They are both really good, so I don't think one's better than the other, just quite different
Hi Mate, The OBS would be the one. It's a good clear gun but slow. The WS clear version does the same as the original, in that because the holes are larger in the tip, it over atomises the base, so it's goes a bit dry
To be honest, I would take the Porphis any day, it works at a lower pressure and is just as good, the build quality of the Iwata series 2, especially the digital ones is rubbish considering the price
Hi buddy, I think the series 2 would have to be the winner it it were for clearcoat. If we are talking basecoat I would go for whatever is cheapest as the DV1 base gun is as good as the series2
Got pete I have been waiting ages mate to see this video I spoke to my friend at spray gun direct and iwata aware of this problem and the guns 🔫 are under warranty pete so you would not recommend pete a digital version of the series 2 just the non digital
Hi Andy, definitely stay away from the digital. They are the ones with the problems. They are made in Italy, and the none digital are made in Japan. The none digital doesn't shed its chrome plate. You might be lucky and get a digital that's ok, but you might not. They are more complicated to clean as well.
@miauzkater6745 Thanks, that's exactly what everyone else has said. Only affects the Italian digital ones, not the none digital Japanese ones. Iwata says the problem is fixed, but I certainly remain sceptical . Thanks again, buddy 👍
Thanks for the great videos, Pete. I was planning to only purchase 1 gun for both base and clear (in Series 1). Would one be able to put an LS tip in the WS, just as you demonstrated with Series 2. Or would you recommend i just do base and clear with a LS?
@stizolac Hi Mate, You can put the LS tip in the WS. You end up with a WBS then. The LS400 is a very good clear gun, but it's very slow, so it would work as an only gun provided you don't mine the slowness with clear coat
@peteshobbies5383 Lots of information. Thank you, I appreciate it. It's just hard for me to justify the expense of both guns as a hobbyist. Is it safe to assume the WS tip should then fit in the LS. Im thinking i should get the LS400 and see first if using it for clear as well works for me before also getting a WS tip.
I thank you for your honest reviews with demonstration... long time USA sub... keeper coming.
Hi buddy, thank you, much appreciated 👍
Hi Pete, great video again mate with lots of useful info for those that have the WS400 series2 but can't or don't want the expense of buying another gun can convert their WS to an OBS, if I find a second hand OBS tip and needle setup then I might get it for mine but I don't think I would but it new🤔
The fan pattern test was interesting as for some reason I was expecting there to see some obvious differences between the LS and WS pattern size but the LS is dryer and that's about it👌
Thanks Pete, very enjoyable👏👍
Hi John, I was expecting a difference as well in the patterns, but there wasn't much. The LS400 would normally be held closer than that, making it smaller and a little wetter, saving material in the process.
They all give an excellent even pattern. There's no doubt that split tip helps atomisation at the expense of speed. It's probably more noticeable with basecoats, particularly more complex colours on roofs and bonnets, where stripping is most noticeable.
I was pretty sure the physical differences between these guns would be the same as in the series 1, I had to wait until I got the set to find out. Cheers, mate, as always👍
I would like the LS400 but my setup wouldn't thank me for it 😅if I didn't use an airfed mask I would be ok but as my booth is small it gets quite foggy in there at time so I'm not keen on using a cartridge mask, I have considered a cartridge mask but I really don't know if it would be worse than my airfed🤔
@JohnWD40TC02 I hardly use my air fed these days, I have plenty of air now, but I can't be bothered with all the faffing about, I have a 3rd compressor that I used to have in a shed to supply the mask, it's pointless having the compressor in the same environment as your spraying in as it's drawing in polluted air but I just use my Moldex these days, seems fine and I have asthma.
The LS400 is a good gun. It's actually a good, slow, clear gun as well. The series 2 sprays the same as the series 1, so there are no benefits to the new one apart from it matches the others 😉 😀
Hi Pete used the original a couple of yrs back it painted nice but far too much of a faff to get it set right so mothballed it and went back to the GTI pro thanks for the vid 😊😊
Hi Dean, Yeah, that was a problem experienced by many with the clear gun, that has been sorted on the new version , they obviously discovered that lining up the splits in the tip with the air horns did the trick, thanks mate, as always, it's much appreciated 👍
Hola Petes yo tengo una ls400 híbrida y trae muy bien alineados la boquilla con las muescas
Hola amigo, sí, algunos lo hacen solos. La mayoría no lo hace, pero algunos de la serie 1 están bien. En realidad, sólo la pistola de barniz transparente WS400 es la que se beneficia de esta posición.
if some one asks you pete to choose betwen the sata b5000 rp which has been your treasured gun & the WS400 iwata what would you choose ? i know its a tough question but i am sure you have an answer giving one of the guns a WIN-
Hi Rahul, That's quite difficult as they are completely different. The WS is a very fine atomisation, relatively slow gun, and the Sata is a rocket.
I would say, if your work was purely custom stuff where time isn't a problem, it's just the finish you are after the WS400 would win
If you are a production painter or someone who wants to get on with it with a good finish, the Sata would be the tool.
I'm lucky to have them both, so I don't need to make the choice as it's a tough one for sure. Cheers, mate 👍
Sorry, but you're wrong. Difference between WS-400 EVO "series 1" base and clear is that, the base version have 1.3OBS nozzle set and clear version offer more sizes, except that and knobs color, the guns is the same. But in WS-400 SR2 "series 2", there are no such similarietes. Just look on the parts codes in iwata catalogue. Even 1.3HD nozzle set in SR2 is not the same 1.3HD in EVO. The same situation is in the LS-400. If you swap parts, you create a hybrid.
Hi Buddy, I'm not sure what you are saying I'm saying that's incorrect, of course the tip set isn't the same in Series2 as the Series1 or Evo as you call it, the threads are different as I have said on many occasions, or are you talking about something else?
Maybe I misunderstood something, my English is not perfect. Do You say that the nozzle set in LS and OBS and also the aircaps in WS and OBS are the same? In series2?
If so, what is this supported by?
@sim0nses Hi Buddy, yes, I am saying exactly that, the tips and caps, are of course marked differently, as with many Iwata products, but the design, hole sizes and hole pattern are the same, just as it was on the series 1 guns.
The difference between series 2 and series 1, is Iwata now mark the OBS cap and WS caps differently, but physical, they are the same as each other, your English is very good BTW 👍
Ok, but these are micro parts. How did you measure the angles and diameter of the holes or the curvature of the cuts? Do you have data from the inside?
LS version have ET and ETS nozzle kit (from 1.2 to 1.5, both), what is the replacement nozzle on WS? OBS, OBS-0, OBS+1 (only1.3) or mayby BF-S? BF-S version has also oder air cap.
@sim0nses I have a hole sizing tool to measure the diameter of the air holes. You can also see the angles when using the tool.
You are correct about the OBS and LS having different versions of the tip, but they always have had different versions in the series 1, so nothing has changed.
All Iwata have done is change the body style to something that looks better in most people's opinion and, unfortunately, isn't very durable when it comes to the digital version which is just awful on a gun costing this much money.
The only thing that has been achieved with the series 2 is that the WS400 clear gun is easier to use if the tips are lined up, which I did a lot of videos on.
Cracking video 📹 mate very well explained thanks for sharing that pete whats the difference between the green cap and the blue cap please its out off the box ready to go are them better than the sagola extreme aqua 4600 1.3
Hi Andy, The green cap is HVLP, so it runs at a lower pressure and uses loads of air. It's generally regarded as a base coat gun but pretty good for as well, although quite slow.
The Sagola is a faster gun. They are both really good, so I don't think one's better than the other, just quite different
@@peteshobbies5383 cheers mate just did not understand ob1 and 2 and Green and blue cap for different climates
Hi Pete was looking at purchasing a series 2 for both base and clear which gun would you recommend the blue obs or clear version
Hi Mate, The OBS would be the one. It's a good clear gun but slow. The WS clear version does the same as the original, in that because the holes are larger in the tip, it over atomises the base, so it's goes a bit dry
@ thanks for the advice
@jjss2395 You're welcome, buddy 👍
Sort I had another question how would you rate the porphis prd 717 against the ws400 s2
To be honest, I would take the Porphis any day, it works at a lower pressure and is just as good, the build quality of the Iwata series 2, especially the digital ones is rubbish considering the price
Hi pete If you were asked to choose one, who would you choose? dv1 clear coat or iwata series 2
Hi buddy, I think the series 2 would have to be the winner it it were for clearcoat. If we are talking basecoat I would go for whatever is cheapest as the DV1 base gun is as good as the series2
what’s the difference between ls400 and ws400 base coat version ?
Hi Roy, the end cap, the LS400 is HVLP, and the WS base isn't
Got pete I have been waiting ages mate to see this video I spoke to my friend at spray gun direct and iwata aware of this problem and the guns 🔫 are under warranty pete so you would not recommend pete a digital version of the series 2 just the non digital
Hi Andy, definitely stay away from the digital. They are the ones with the problems. They are made in Italy, and the none digital are made in Japan. The none digital doesn't shed its chrome plate.
You might be lucky and get a digital that's ok, but you might not. They are more complicated to clean as well.
We have already sent back 4 pistols within a year. The coating always came off :(
@miauzkater6745 Hi Maiuz, Yes, this is a common problem. Can you confirm the 4 guns you had problems with were digital versions? Thanks 👍
Yes, all the digital ones were from Italy. non digital no problems
@miauzkater6745 Thanks, that's exactly what everyone else has said. Only affects the Italian digital ones, not the none digital Japanese ones.
Iwata says the problem is fixed, but I certainly remain sceptical . Thanks again, buddy 👍
What does OBS stand for?
Optimized basecoat setting
Thanks, Jeremy, 👍
Thanks for the great videos, Pete. I was planning to only purchase 1 gun for both base and clear (in Series 1). Would one be able to put an LS tip in the WS, just as you demonstrated with Series 2. Or would you recommend i just do base and clear with a LS?
@stizolac Hi Mate, You can put the LS tip in the WS. You end up with a WBS then.
The LS400 is a very good clear gun, but it's very slow, so it would work as an only gun provided you don't mine the slowness with clear coat
@peteshobbies5383 Lots of information. Thank you, I appreciate it. It's just hard for me to justify the expense of both guns as a hobbyist. Is it safe to assume the WS tip should then fit in the LS. Im thinking i should get the LS400 and see first if using it for clear as well works for me before also getting a WS tip.