The ULTIMATE FERRARI 458 BUYERS GUIDE
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Now that I've owned my Ferrari 458 for over a year I felt it was time to write my Ferrari 458 buyers guide. I also wanted to make this video to accompany the book to help show some of the items in video as opposed to pictures. This guide is meant to help educate you as a potential buyer of what to look for, and how to save some money. Ultimately the goal is to make sure you buy the car that will meet your goals.
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Hey Dan, the issue with the Getrag transmissions is due to one or both speed sensors failing. The transmission itself is very robust. The 458 and FF suffered much less speed sensor failure then the California did, and its likely due to heat. What happens is the odd or even speed sensor fails and you lose odd or even gears. Gearbox replacement is not required anymore as some dealers have mechanics trained to replace the speed sensors for a fraction of the cost of gearbox replacement, however be sure to inquire if your dealer has a mechanic trained to replace the sensors because if they don’t it will cost 30k + to replace the gearbox where sensor replacement is 10k or less. Again it’s a larger issue with 2014 and older californias. The issue all but disappeared with 2015 and newer cars.
Great video and information! I was in awe when you pulled out the paint meter that’s so cool 😄
I am clad that you bring these videos here today, when the news at all over the world are more likely sad and negative. It's boost positive spirit and makes us believe that there is something else like your Channel. Keep it going Dan and keep safe, you and Meg.
Thank you
I think that sharp angle of the hood near the headlights is the best part of the car. Was surprised to see them get rid of it on the 488,
It's sexy
@@normalguysupercar I like the Enzo rear looks of the 458
Love it when you drop the knowledge on these cars. 👍
Thanks!
@@normalguysupercar agree lots of good insider F-car information
Dan, awesome video! I always learn something new about the 458 every time!
Thanks Fred! 😁👍
Thanks Dan I've been waiting for this one. The F430 buyer's guide is awesome and enlightening. Im definitely going to email you for consultation when I get ready to make a purchase(maybe this year🙏🏾😁). Take care and drive safe
Awesome! I'll be awaiting your call. 😁
Nice video, thanks for sharing so many very useful details!
Great video - always fun to watch! What are those gadgets you have near the steering wheel ?
I'm so so so happy that your channel gets mentioned on Life of Palos! You deserve it and I hope that it will show in form of increased subscriptions. Happy happy happy!!! :)
Thank you! I'm happy about that too
That’s got to be the slowest, least exited dog in the world 😂
Lol he can get all excited but that's not as much
@@normalguysupercar your dog is cool and I like how you branded your channel using him as the mascot instead of the prancing pony. Very clever indeed!
Carbon fibre driver zone and carbon buckets has a huge impact on value on 458's in the UK, typically adds around £10,000-£15,000 to the value and to be honest the carbon and alcantera really sets the interior off nicely in a 458, a base car with no carbon and even worse no carbon LED wheel have much lower values in the UK.
Another fantastic video Dan.... By the way I love the red interior...😁😁
Thank you!
Me too, love laughing at it
Great informative video. Love the way you cut to the chase and talk about what people want to hear which is what the title of the video is. Not a big fan of the youtubers who are loud and over dramatic to try to get your attention. I'm not a Ferrari owner but your videos are very informative for anybody who is a sports car fan.
Thank you very much
Thank for this info. I really want one of these in the future!!
They are fantastic cars
great video thanks!
great content as usual !! thank you good sir !!
You're most welcome!
The transmission issues are real . i checked it out asked . they are NOT infrequent !
you are minimizing quite a bit
and also the reported failure of the alleged very expensive parking brake system has been verified ! did not hear that mentioned !
thank you again for a great over view ! Jack
Been waiting for this vid.
Glad you approve
subscribed bc of Mo! looks exactly like my pup! and bc im getting ready to purchase my first Performance!
When I bought my 87 last year, it still had 1987 dated Goodyear Gatorbacks on it. They were so hard it was like driving over cinder blocks when you rolled over lane reflectors!
Yikes! That's sketchy as hell
@@normalguysupercar The PO told me it needed a set of tires. I had no idea just how bad. For some strange reason, he was under the impression it needed the Michelin TRX's that were on the earlier Mondials and very expensive to replace. All it needed was a regular set of 16" Bridgestones and it was good to go. Weird. Two of the original tires actually split apart on the tire machine during dismounting.
Big fan. Your channel has been both super helpful and entertaining. I own a 2015 458 spider with 3500 miles. The power train warranty expired. Do you recommend purchasing one? What are main issues I should expect (if any) as car ages? Don't think I would expect given haven't put many miles on it.
I don't think you need it.
Excellent video as usual!
Thank you
I love my 458 and my 430. Two perfect cars I will never let go of as you get the best of both worlds.
That's the best solution
Great video!
Hi Dan. If you don’t mind me asking. What was the price you purchased this spec of Ferrari 458 pre owned?
Thanks again Dan....Mo is the best......Is the paint meter you are using also a gloss meter????
No just paint
Lowkey vibing to this car. Imma get one in my dreams 😂
Disagree about carbon fiber not impacting price, and the LED wheel DEFINITELY impacts price. Massively. Whenever you see a dirt cheap 458 chances are, no LED wheel. Same with seats - people will definitely pay more for CF seats, they are way more desirable than Daytona’s or base seats. Rear parking sensors and camera both increase. Lifter you’re right. Thing is when you add all these things up it creates “the perfect spec” IE a heavy spec car for just a bit more than the regular specs, which many buyers will pay a premium for. Headlights = AFS btw and yes no real $ impact. Black interior or red interior a plus. Tan, not so much. Exterior color you’re totally right, has a direct impact.
Ok
Normal Guy Supercar :)
I do agree, before I bought my 09 430, I was looking at a couple of 2010 458’s and cars without the LED wheel and had the stock seats were 10K or more less and that was before bargaining. The cars in red with the Daytona seats and LED wheels seemed to be on the market for less time and owners didn’t want to budge on price. I do think the rear camera is a major thing for many people also, as you state, because you can’t really change the radio head unit out easily like previous generation models to add a 3rd party camera, so adding the rear camera later to a 458 is a major cost. One you have a rear camera in a car with terrible rear visibility, you really can’t live without it, especially if you have kids.
Also much of your advise here is good for all modern super cars. The tires thing is very important, old tires are a death trap waiting to happen. They get hard and drive like your on ice. If your tires are 5 years or older, negotiate to get new ones in the deal or change then out before you drive the car. We all remember Paul Walker.
The carbon race seats make a huge difference to value, over here in the UK.
And if you track it's a must.
hey dan, i heard people say that the transmission on 458 is slower and less smooth than PDK, cuz the technology is old, is that true based on your experiences?
Man your seats look brand new . Authentic details did a great job . Whole car looks new
Thank you very much
I believe carbon ceramic rotors generally do not change thickness (unlike steel rotors) but rather their wear is measured in one of 2 ways:
1. Rotor Weight
2. Rotor density
I enjoy your content. Keep it coming.
It really depends. On the most modern type CCST rotors, all you can do is look and feel. No weighing, no thickness, no mass. The old school Brembo CCM rotors are a bit different. You can both measure them and weigh them.
awesome garage dan glad I found the channel
Thanks
Hey brother love your channel should I just bight the bit and get a 458 over the 430
i drove one yesterday. Its real fun and different feeling since the engine is in the back. I like the race feeling aspect of the Ferrari.
Great video! I will be buying a 458 soon! Would you recommend a 458 or 488 (in terms of depreciation)?
458.
@@normalguysupercar thank you!
What would you say one should have ready to spend on maintenance a year just owning this car?
The 458 Transmission sensor problems are across the entire production 2010-2015 seen 2013 & 2015 with my own eyes getting the trans opened up to replace sensors along with my old 2010 . Its not a huge deal either way, about $9-$10k including the sensors at the dealers.
Correct.
Do you use your front lift often? I always thought it was a must for me but looking at the forums it seems as though people rarely use it (more of an insurance policy given how slow it normally takes to get up).
Yeah only occasionally like when pulling in to a parking lot or speed bumps.
Bought your book on kindle! Thanks!
Awesome! Hope you find it helpful.
Love your video's as always!!
One note: We europeans don't talk in foot, elbows, acres, pounds etc...
some text below in metric would be great! 🙏🏻
Ah yes... For the rest of the planet and their logical measuring system
Dan, I'm not sure if you've already answered it in your comments, but what did you use to "take care of" the sticky buttons?
Rubbing alcohol
Dan loving the content
Thank you!
In my experience with a 458.. interior carbon definitely increases value of the car. (Driving zone and wheel)
Not much
It's not so much the added value, because that is not much as Dan says, but it can sometimes affect how quick the car sells.
The Spider has some very undesirable traits in my opinion, sure it looks great top up or down but the body flex/twist with the roof down is surprisingly bad and with the top up I hear creaks/movement particularly at low speeds such as in parking lots or when turning into driveways. The dealer has addressed this but it’s one of those things that is more of a consequence of design rather than an issue that they can remedy. I had a chance to test a Mclaren 650S spider several years ago and roof down that car felt like what I wish the Ferrari did, granite solid.... that carbon tub isn’t for nothing. Otherwise my only 458 complaint is valved exhaust when it crosses over the bypass mode at like 3k rpm is super annoying but easily changed and I personally think the throttle is jumpy and could be more linear and easier to modulate at low speeds
While I very much agree that the 458 Spider is way too flexy to be really fun, I'm surprised about the 650S comment. Of all the mid engined exotics I have driven, none have felt so numb and disengaged as the 650S. On top of that, the lag of the engine is simply not something you can get used to. The 720S, 675 and so on, are much better in the communication department, but the McLarens still feel somewhat numb - and while a 488, Pista and F8 has virtually zero lag, the McLarens still suffer greatly from it.
The great news from Ferrari is that the 488 Spider virtually got rid of the flex.
I may be an outlier, but I actually like the swirl marks on Ferraris. I think it gives them that hand made look.
@normal what's the best year to get that is dependable, naturally aspirated engine?
I don't think the year matters much
Good summary on the 458! 👍
My experience is, that the Michelin Pilot Sport tyres are excellent, on the 458 as well as for several years on my Porsche 997. Go for them!
When I bought the 458 spider I was so in love with the car that I didn't see that the leather on the doorboards was slightly coming up in bubbles. Just on the corners of the arm rests both on the driver's and the passenger's side. I don't know how this came to happen and it has happened to no other 458 I heard of. The car has not been exposed to big heat as far as I know.
I had to have the leather replaced. Unfortunately the dealer said it was not covered by the "approved" for whatever reason. It cost me 1,600 EUR. Buyers should check out the leather on the doorboards.
The Daytona seats are awesome. But I seem to emery the outside hump of the driver's seat with my buttocks in jeans so the black leather became white. I had to have it repaired already. It might be a good advice to viewers to cover that hump (and on the passenger's side) with a smooth cloth while getting in and out of the car.
Dan, I write a lot here. I don't want to steal the show from you. If I come across as a smart ass just delete it, tell me and I shut up.
Kind Regards
Michael
Haha thanks for your story. 😁
How do you handle the sticky buttons? My f type has same problem, alcohol didn’t help
Make-up removal cloths- I used Neutrogena on my F-type
For the amount of money you pay for these Ferrari’s you would think the interior issues would be a factor. I own a 2nd Gen R8 and the interior is amazing. Same thing on the Porsche 911 GT3 RS. I’m not sure why Ferrari hasn’t excelled in this area. Cheap interior.
The problem with the CCM rotors are the rough surface. Once they get used on race track, the rough surface eats up the pads very fast. So the thickness alone is not telling enough about the health of the rotors. The problem is the old ceramic brake technology Ferrari is using. CCB rotors on the other hand have mirror like much smoother, less friction surface. They are used by Porsche, BMW, Mercedes. Been there, done that.
Ok
There's more to it. I use Surface Transforms rotors on my 488 and Pista. The technology used by them, and thus BMW is not called CCB, but actually CCST. It is not the same technology used by Porsche - PCCB simply stands for Porsche Carbon Ceramic Brakes and it tells little about the technology used. While they are newer technology than the Brembo discs, they are still a matrix style disc with chopped fibers - not continuous strand fibers as used in CCST brakes. Porsche brakes are still better than the old CCM Brembo rotors, but they do not last nowhere near as long as the CCST discs used by BMW, Mercedes, Koenigsegg, McLaren GT4, Tesla and just about every winning Porsche Cup and Ferrari Challenge or GT3 team out there. With that said, what kills pads, is heat. Even with the CCST discs which has a glass like surface, a set of OE 488/Pista pads only last three 2 hour sessions. They last a bit longer, but still nothing to write home about. A weekend on Spa of 1½ days kills a set of pads with CCM rotors, and 2 days kills them with CCST discs, that's just how the OE pads are. If you want to increase pad life, you can A: run Pagid RSC2 which are still nice for the street, or you can go full race and run RSL1 pads. The latter will last over a season for a 488 that is tracked twice per month, and that's considering a 7 month season.
A very interesting thing about the CCST disc is their ability to run cooler. My 488 run in the 480 degree C range on my local track when measured at the pit entrance lane. With CCST it run about 360 C. Add to that the much greater ability to modulate power, as well as much quieter and smoother brake operation.
The discs on a Porsche GT3RS with OE PCCB vs CCST discs still run about 70-80 degrees C hotter, and the Porsche discs are not hard enough to handle a pad compound like Pagids RSL1.
Lastly the interesting thing about CCST discs is their ability to be resurfaced. Yes initial price is similar to a set of Brembo discs purchased from Eurospares or Ricambi etc. About 12000 Euro incl. VAT. But what's really interesting is the fact that once they are worn, you can get a full set resurfaced for 1500 Euro and that can be done four times. I like many things about Ferrari, but their brakes is an overpriced joke.
How do we inspect a false mileage 458?
Nice video! Fellow Austinite here lol. I think we're neighbors lol 🤣
Cool. There's a few people in the neighborhood that watch the channel. Lol
Dan, what is the thickness of the rotors when new?
I'll look that up but not much more
36 mm front 32 mm rear.
Hi, whats your opinion on what the possible recession will do to Ferrari prices?
They may go down a little. Depends how long it lasts
What year is your 458? Is it a 458 italia?
How thick on are the calipers when they are new?
I have to look that up
Calipers? I take it you mean brake rotors. 36 mm front and 32 mm rear.
If you're referring to the brake pads, they are 16 mm front and 16.3 mm rear. The pads have roughly 11 mm pad material on them and can be worn to 3 mm thickness.
The last classic natural aspirated v8 Ferrari with the greatest v8 sound
I think so. :)
My 911 only has 3.2mm and think 5 was OEM - 8 is quite a lot!
Yup
8mm of paint?
LOVE the RED seats
Me too! Thanks
What about about fixing up a wrecked 458 to save money?
If you want a fixed up 458 sure
seems dangerous
@@djchasingsummerjoan Some people do it successfully :-)
It will still be very expensive to fix. And once yo want to sell it, it will be a fixed up 458 with a much lower value compared to other cars. Don't.
Moeee LoL!!! He should be in all your videos!
What the different between the 458 and the 488?
Compared to the 458, the 488 features the following.
SSC 2.0
Latest gen Brembo calipers
Newer less intrusive ESC and ABS system
80 % greater torsional rigidity for the Spider
Latest gen suspension software
Stronger transmission gears
Newer Satnav and infotainment
and last but not least, a 3,9 liter twin turbo V8 making about 110 hp more
Some may prefer the sound of the 458, but the 488 is a much better driving car.
Some of that information is not true. There is almost no relationship between price and color combination, the two cheapest cars on the market are red and tan. The whites and tans/reds are all over the market in price. It's hard to assume a color price relationship.
There is, it is called resale red and Ferraris are very common to fall under that since many people want a red Ferrari
I am considering getting a 458 Italia as my first car. Would you recommend to get a supercar for starters?
If you can drive it sensibly, and properly afford it, sure.
Just be aware that most get a bit shocked about running costs. But as daily drivers, they are very docile.
The soft touch degrades due to using solvents……degreasers etc. not good…..use a spray wax….
It's more a function of heat and humidity
My dream car
what do you do for a living?
I used to run software companies but now I have a dealership and parts sales for supercars.
@@normalguysupercar That's awesome!
What a beautiful car.
Thank you
Shop dog is a must in all videos.
Haha Mo is the best
Another shout out from LOP!
@@robotfixr yup!
I think Moe might have slurped up too many Cape Codders at Sparky's bachelor party in town last night.
Are you in Austin, TX?
Yes
My Dream Car!
Yup
was the 430 your first Ferrari ?
I have debating over the 360 but for a extra 12,000 I found a 430 your friend drives the 360 whats your thoughts if u could buy a 360 for a decent price would u buy it
F430 was my first Ferrari. I would push to get a F430 over the 360.
Thanks for your input.
My favorite Ferrari
Thanks
@@normalguysupercar I miss driving ferraris especially the 458. What do you think of the F8 Tributo?
Does 458 increase in value over time? and if so whats the average appreciation?
No. Depreciation continues. Do a TH-cam search for videos on the depreciation curve.
They do not increase anywhere.
Ehh, are you saying the pads last a long time? Really? I wear OE aads in less than 800 km. Rotors are less than a 10000km item. Cool video otherwise:)
What are the bubbles on the back at 7:15 when you were checking the paint ?
Do you have a rock chip on he engine cover 7:04 ?
That's water. It was raining and my garage door dripped
Normal Guy Supercar I was wtf happened the paint looks perfect everywhere else what happened there lol
Search and destroy :D
What year is your 458?
I believe it's a M/Y 14.
Lit video
Thanks
That kid in the video should finally get a nice and quiet electric model.
Kid? Lol
this is one of the best sounding car ever
@@normalguysupercar Just another dick-less car kid. "Lol"
Bummer about the transmission.
Eh I love the dual clutch.
Sticky buttons, lol. They must be assembling those from melted recycled plastic while plastered on home-made grappa.
It's the stupid soft touch coating. Lots of luxury cars have that
Hey! Will you buy me a, Ferrari 458 Italia?
Forget the 458 stuff. Let's talk about something important. How old is Moe?
11 months
That
did the man say 20k for rotors ? whaaaaaaat!
$5k each
Hey dan I sent you an email to get your advice on trading in my 992 911S for an 09 F430 F1
Nevermind. Guy went Hollywood on me. Won’t give advice without paying. So this guy is not a “normal guy” anymore. I won’t be subscribing anymore. And I’d say to anyone else. Don’t subscribe to this clown anymore
@@smiles1151
You have got to be joking!
You do realize he does this for a living, right? So you're asking to get his service for free. Want free advise, join us on Ferrarichat. You may get the answers you want, you may not. But you need to understand that helping people with these things are an actual business. If you're serious about trading your car and want it done right, I'm sure it had been a good deal to get someone to help you at a minor cost. But apparently you were too cheap to pay for getting things done right.
What did he want? 35000 usd? No? Okay...
I love your doogg
Haha thank you
Even with the money I don't think I'd ever be in the market for an exotic. I think I'd end up getting a heap of older jalanese cars from the 70s and 80s. I struggle to park my 370Z in parking lots without worrying about someone dinging it. Can't imagine parking and enjoying a meal with a ferrari without getting anxious over it haha.
But I still love your content.
Wonder what FerrariChat thinks of your guide 😂
Hey to each their own. If that's what would make you happy then that's great. I honestly could care less what the f-chat people think at this point. Lol
Fucking Ferrari still can’t fix the sticky button issues. Had that since the 355.
Cheap interiors for a 300k car
For a 458 car guy doing a buyers guide and does not know first model year was 2009
In the USA it was 2010 bro
A lot of risk involved in buying that car
Not if you are buying it new. Risks exist only if you are buying a used one.
Not really
Since you purchased your what??😂😂😂
Step 1: Buy a 488:D
Search and destroy lol 😂 how move to fast
Lol yup
1st?
Yup
There was something strangely satisfying hearing Moe chomp the treat on the garage door.
Lol crrrrrunch