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Spiritbox Guitars Are INCREDIBLE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มี.ค. 2024
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Daniel Braunstein mixes Mike Stringer's guitars during the February 2022 Nail The Mix for the Spiritbox song "Circle With Me" using Pro Tools and Neural DSP amps.
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Great guitarrist + Great tracking = No pain to (fix)mix it.
Thank you for talking about this aspect of re amping, I think it's essential. Amp distortion is a dynamic effect and the player will directly influence the sound with their playing while listening back to the sound, and if you change the amp, you take away what the musician was hearing when playing and that wrecks everything. They instinctively react to the sound that they're hearing and play accordingly and this shapes the sound in a way that can't be replicated. It's much different than a static effect like eq or reverb or delay. Whatever you played through should more or less stay the same start to finish, re amping might work for some people but i have never gotten good results from it for this very reason, I always re-record the part through the new amp.
True. You have to boil yourself whilst playing ...dosn't matter its a os stack or axe fx via full range speakers... gimmicks just suck the soul
Agreed the only thing I do post is a high and low cut on the track. I prefer to play like it's a cranked amp in the room.
True. These things get totally disregarded in favor of practical, cookie-cutter approaches. The feel of the amp, the gain structure, the pickups, even the pick you're using - these things matter because they play a vital role in the performance of the musician. Not something a guy like Glenn Fricker for example would ever understand, but it makes all the difference.
@@honigdachs. Don't get me started on Glenn Fricker ahahahahaa
@@alexandria6063 Yeah same, I do minimal processing to guitars because the amp sim already processes the hell out of them, and if I need to change up the tone I tweak the amp controls themselves, though I will never stray very far from what my initial tone was. If I do, I just wreck it. Intentional effects are something else, but the core sound - pretty much stays as it is in the beginning
Archetype Nolly!
I'm the poster child for real amps but I have to keep up on all of the sims and Nolly Archetype is the best imo.
Only amp I've used since I bought it
MixWave has a Spiritbox amp sim that is on par with the Neural Archetypes. I use it all the time and it slaps
@@mattlathandrumsyup, nolly and mikes mixwave are the only two I continue to use. I do want to give gojira another try tho
@@falluz ive used gojira for over a year now and honestly the only real problem was the irs. i bought the ownhammer modern progressive ir pack and it sounds INSANE now
The reason is sounds different after reamps, is because the guitarist is responding to the reaction of the amp that he is playing through. Like driving a responsive car.
We dig deeper or less deeper on palm mutes based on how the amp and speaker cone breaks up a certain way, at a specific threshold, that enhances the overtones in the way the player hears it in the room.
By replacing the amp you remove those interactions and change the threshold at where the intention (or sweet spot) was, and in some cases, remove the "soul" of the performance.
The DI box can color it as well - Andrew Wade has a video demonstrating this
beat me to it by 10 mins lol, I'm glad to hear I'm not crazy for thinking this, this is exactly why I never reamp, if I'm not happy I will re-record through the new amp every time
Exactly why I always play through monitors and never use headphones.
Truth
I feel like this is kind of the same thing with pickups. Having played the same guitar with 5 different pickups, I can tell you without a doubt, different pickups, feel different to play as a player.
This is so amazing to see, I know I don’t have a professional studio, but I know I can get similar results using these Tipps
It's so refreshing to hear something that sounds like a real guitar performed by a real human. A lot of stuff I hear on this channel sounds completely artificial. It's clear it's just pieced together through editing. I call it "CGI metal" and it bores me to tears. This is what tight heavy guitars should sound like.
Now, the drum sound I'm not so fond of. But that's a different story.
The timing of those pick scrapes makes the riff IMO
Man. Lot of complaints on this video from people who probably don’t do this for a living. These are lessons and pointers. Take it as such.
Ngl, I feel like some comments are just hatebait helping to drive engagement of this vid lol
It just helps me realize newer guitar tones are touched up a lot with the advent of DAW. Then add IR and Amp sims on top of it, I’m surprised people still use tube anymore. If you want to chase a tone 50% you’ll have to touch up the recording of it just to sounds the way you want VS dialing it in at the amp.
Very informative, thanks! Obviously, these are not unknown techniques but it's great to hear from the producer himself.
The comment about guitarist vs amp relationship while recording is spot on, when you hear yourself play through an amp you always adjust your hand location to get the sweet spot for palm mutes, on every amp it's just very slightly different. Sometimes you switch the amp sim and it just doesn't work unless you re-record the take.
I was actually watching this one yesterday!
Incredible value. Thank you!
Lundgrens always crush. Love Mike's guitar tone forever :-)
I can definitely put my finger on what you're talking about when you switch a guitarist stamp on them. I HATE it when it happens to me. You play to the tone, you played to the amp, every amp has a different feel a different response when you hit the strings in signal goes to the amp comes back in reverberates three there's a room or headphones that you're wearing and that to change the feel whether you're listening to the room or headphones. Even when you take the same amp but change the tone a bit, like roll back to treble or something like that it makes a huge difference. When I'm playing, especially a solo, I'm hitting notes just hard enough to get what I want out of it based on how the amp is set, you change the settings the plane changes as well. My drummer has made my pinch harmonics totally disappear by screwing up the tone. That's why some people like old amps because they can "dig in;" now imagine if they were "digging in" like that changed it to like a gained out & compressed 5150, it'd be uncontrollable sounding. It matters
Hell yeah! You touched on a great point early on. You actually have to play the instrument well for it to sound good.
tracking great takes is 90% of the problems i deal with when working with others . if only hardcore rehearsal was still relevant to this new breed
Dan is a genius 🧞
When he says, "he plays his guitar right". What do you think he is speaking about? Actual technique? knowing the parts? what say you?
Yeah we totally respond to the amp’s tone. Full circle
Love hearing a metal producer that knows theory and is calling out add9 and sus2 chords
Neural DSP for the win.
What DAW is this?
Im getting some shoot to thrills vibes from that chorus. Sounds sick.
At 14 mins when you have the pitch shift up, what are you doing to the clips themselves? Looks like the copy waveform is dynamic, and then it becomes clipped after you press something. Is just the pitch shifter clipping them out and making the waveform squared? Or are you pressing a key command commiting some other process that is clipping them which we can't see in the video?
Looks like he's just increasing the clip volume to clip a bit and therefore hit the amp harder
So why didn't he use his own Mike Stringer mixwave amp sim ?
It didn't exist when the song was recorded
I'm currently trying to mix this song using that amp Sim and I'll tell you what...definitely not the same.
The guitars tones are bigger than my income
What’s your master fader volume at when mixing?
Lemme get that Nolly/Sporitbox patchhh my
Can we talk about what load boxes everyones using :')
I want to see a song that has even more layered guitars
I know, "use your ears", but is there a benefit to clipping the EQ (fabfilter, SSL), the mb comp? Like, do those plugins have a clip sound that is desirable? Is there a *reason* to push into red?
Wouldn't be the input signal even cleaner if the guitar was programmed? Asking for a friend...
why isnt he using his own plugin? Its more than capable of this sound.
My guess is that it wasn't out when they produced this song, could be wrong tho.
Yes because it was based on the Nolly tone. Most of the Spiritbox guitar tones until the signature plugin was Nolly.
The plugin was released around 7 months ago and the song / record shown was released 2 1/2 years ago. I suppose the recordings for this was at least 3 years ago.
It wasn’t released at this point. Apparently they use it all over the new album
The stream this came from was two years ago. The plugin was only released in the past few months.
man i have alot to learn :(
THAT is a wall of sound.
Overproduced guitars are really just starting to sound like dubstep instruments
10:57 this guitars doing this type of chords could be easily from a Linkin Park Song lol..
Fun fact: No guitarist ever uses 100% of their technical ability 100% of the time. Being able to play more complex riffs doesn't mean you can never play a basic power chord again, lol
fck the guitars :D but that bass and drum sound!!!!!!!!!!!!! and that's coming from a guitar player...
'Mike plays his guitar properly" id love it if he iterated what he meant by that
He picks hard enough to have a good chunky right hand tone. You can actually hear it in the intonation of the power chords in the main riff. If you listen closely you'll hear they are not perfectly in tune. There's some intonation wobble in there you get when you pick very hard. Compare this to those stacked chords in the chorus section, they are perfectly in tune because that section doesn't require that kind of attack. At least that's my take on. Playing properly as in having attitude and a good hand/finger tone
He plays really tight with proper muting technique, paired along with a good noise gate setting. You'll notice how there's no ringing out of notes that aren't supposed to ring. Also I'm pretty sure Mike does his own production as well so I doubt this is a completely raw track.
I also thought that was a bizarre way to say that...
Aristides makes the best sounding guitars right now and it's not even close.
What do you mean he plays his guitar "properly"?
Being a live guitarist and recording guitarist, 2 VERY different things
What makes a good recording guitarist is
Consistency
Attention to detail (tuning pick strength palm mute position etc)
Being metronomically perfect
And being able to play the exact same thing at least 2 times with little to no difference
If you can do that you’re a producers favourite guitarist because our job is immediately ten times easier
those DIs have zero low end. lol
It would get cut out anyways, so why don't get it right at the source?
have you ever heard a di in your live?
Probably because the bass has more low end is more prominent than usual.
That’s what a lot of recorded guitars sound like for a mix.
I know exactly what he is speaking of regarding tone.... Evertune is great for keeping you in tune, but any guitar I have played with the evertune sounds sterile and and thin.... Something about that big chunk of wood missing and being replaced with a bunch of metal in the body of the guitar.
I've heard people (Nolly) say it's more about the spring system creating harsh overtones.
I'd still like to get one some time.
@@josuastangl7140 Possibly the missing wood, which reduces resonance and the added harsh overtones that make it sound thin to me.
subjective...
Why does every one overhype this band so much?
Because they’re good and have good songs?
@@ghastlyshimmer if you say so..
What even is the points of comments like this? Pure loser internet warrior hate? Or do you actually want an answer?
If you actually want an answer:
- Sick ass guitar riffs, modern and "djenty" with actually a good amount of classic metalcore influence in it
- All of their songs sound different and they do not shy away from doing different things (see Rotoscope and the song with Megan Thee Stallion)
- Courtney is an S-tier vocalist, her screaming and singing is awesome
- Recent, but: Josh from AILD joined the band and his backup vocals are top notch as well
- Zev is an awesome drummer, would be a shame not to mention them
- They absolutely kick ass live
There is a few reasons, maybe give them a chance and listen to them again.
@@alpenjodel24 gave them a chance… they are literally cookie cutter, only reason I ever see them being over hyped is due to their pawg vocalist.
That said. My comment was meant to trigger simps like you. I truly do not understand how people overhype this stale nonsense and sleep on bands/artist that are, like you say “s-tier”
Trust me… this isn’t it. Just saying… keep crying
I am a Spiritbox fan but I totally get what you mean. The hype for Eternal Blue was insane, with everyone saying 'it'll change metalcore as we know it'. Then it came out and was just a decent modern metalcore record, nothing bad, nothing groundbreaking. I like a lot of their stuff since, and they have consistently improved, but yeah they are overhyped relative to how good they are.
Can we actually get an audible fucking riff in metal music anymore?
Might be your hearing, mate. I can hear it just fine. 😅
You need better headphones.
I mean... is it fair to say this is OVER production?
on what planet? It's not even production, it's engineering. The fuck?
There's definitely different styles and levels of production. The most modern as in this example is usually what is considered by many to be OVER processed. It doesn't sound anything like a live band but I think that's the point They want to go for a larger than life super human sound. Can't say it's my favorite but it is cool. I think the best is somewhere in the middle.
Depends on what you're going for. With Spiritbox being slick, poppy metalcore this totally makes sense. There's a little bit of mixing in circles with the taking mids out and adding them back in, but if you're doing that with purpose and refining it each step then you're actually adding to it, rather than chasing your own tail (like mixing past the point where you're just making it different or worse)
Spiritbox album stuff is MASSIVELY overproduced, especially the vocals. They sound so much better live, even in venues that aren't really the best. They just sound hairier and meatier
@@neilpatrickhairless so maybe underproduced?
it couldn't possibly sound more generic than this.
300 EQ points and curves to do almost nothing.
Sleep Token sounds like something AI would create. Generic, overly digital and over hyped.
1. This isn’t Sleep Token
2. WTF are you talking about??
What? I’d say they are the most innovative bands in modern day. Also, this isn’t Sleep Token 😂
Nor generic, nor digital, hype is debatable, overall very weird take to talk about them on this video
Spiritbox just does nothing for me lol its so uninspired and boring music. Nothing new whatsoever. Pretty pedestrian shit. Don’t get people’s obsession with their tone either lol
That's your opinion but why are you so in your feelings about it? lmao.. you can sense you're angry just writing that comment, that's really weird. Their newest stuff isn't as good but their old stuff is great and for the time, it was absolutely new. There were next to no other female vocalists doing anything like her. There's still not many, that is what I'd call new and inspiring..