"WHERE IS ZE COPIUM!" "WE RAN OUT! ZERE IS ONLY HOPIUM!" "NEIN! IT WILL NOT DO!" "HERR DOKTOR, IF THE PATIENT DOES NOT GET ANYTHING THEY WIL DIE - OF BOREDOM!" "ARGH! FINE! HOPIUM IT IS!"
I too hope there won't be politics in this story about a company profiteering by selling weapons to both sides of a pointless conflict, where the machines of war are literally fueled by money. Or in which the dumbest person is a patriotic American.
@@manitoba-op4jx Are there new writers that are known for doing this? Has valve been doing this with other series? If not, I think you’re watching way too many “everything is too political” content farm channels, because the TF2 comics are probably the last thing I would ever expect to get seriously political, yet somehow it was what you thought of first when hearing about a new tf2 comic.
the 'were so back' is just copium. It's a 17 year old game, abandoned for almost half its existence. It's clear this is a community project, with original writers coming along to emulate official content, which to be fair is practically the same thing in my eyes. I'm glad to see it, absolutely, but this game is by no means a new toy. If you have been around as long as I have, you'll realize it's all a fucking daze. We get scraps, get overjoyed, expect more, and are left blue balled for half a decade before we get even less than before. I do think there is some potential for valve to pay attention to tf2, especially considering what they have done for Half-Life for its 20th anniversary. TF2 MIGHT get ONE LAST balance change update in 2027. I'd give it a 10% chance considering half life is far more important to valve, considering they would not have gotten this far without it. Would not have gotten the capital to build steam into the monolith it is. Valve could have lived without TF2, but not Half Life.
With the title "Six Years Later" and the pose of the skeletons referencing where we last saw the cast; it could be a jab at just how long it's taken for the comic to update.
I'm assuming they started working on it in 2023 and wanted it to be a 4th wall breaking meta joke about how long it took since the last issue of the comic.
If this does end up being true, this means that I have finished middle school, graduated high school, and completed courses in college between the time the 6th comic came out and the 7th one releases... (I was a youngin' when discovering TF2) Insane.
Yep, discovered tf2 in fifth grade, read the latest comic in seventh grade, finally played the game (on pc) my freshman year of high school, and am now in college. Holy hell what a ride.
I'm thinking it all has to do with that guy who sacrificed his Saxxy upon the altar to incur the wrath of Valve upon the bots. He might have also unknowingly revived the 7th comic's development as well...
the seventh comic starts with a link to a video, it fades in from black and you can hear the faint sound of tick tock by joji playing with blurred visuals of the mercs. edit: misspelled link
Someone remember that one leak we had about the last chapter of the comic? where everyone dies in a explosion, and the comic ends with two cave men, one in red, and other in blue fighting one another? Of course this leak was never confirmed, but seeing this first pannel with those 10 skelletons almost made me think this old leak was real.
perhaps it was a true leak that considered at some point but was later discarded, writers do tend to make many versions and rewrites of a story until they find something that works.
Yeah , i remember reading that leak , and honestly , it sounded kinda rushed in the end with a fiew questions left unsolved and honestly , i'm happy that this is not real anymore
2024 so far has been actually great year for tf2, first the 64bit update, then valve starts taking notice of the bot problem (slowly), now the tf2 comics are confirmed getting worked on? It's too perfect. Something will fuck up soon
Let's get positive, then said then we're going to start working on it. And then see to do something, as you said, then annouced it where going to start working on the game, TOO MANY bots we're banned and now we got this. I don't think then will flop this, but there nothing wrong about taking a grand of salt
It seems pretty unlikely Jay Pinkerton would just casually show off an important part of the comic such as everyone being dead through email, so my guess is that this part of the script is just supposed to be a visual gag. I reckon this scene is going to start with this shot to make you *think* it's Miss Pauling and the mercs, only to have the shot fired at the vultures be from her or one of the mercs, revealing they're actually alive. Honestly, it might even be an intentional jab at how long the comic's been taking to release. The whole "Six years later" thing is interesting though.
Another reason why the skeletons can't be the mercs is because when scout is revived by God, he states a very specific date for when scout will die again, the one in question being nowhere near as close to the date these skeletons are shown in. And your kind of expected to believe the date God states scout will die because, well, he's God. But, hey. That's just a theory, a TF2 THEORY
I should mention that if that were in fact the tf2 crew being dead on the ground, it would contradict scout’s proper death, as he was supposed to die in 1985, not 1978.
@@crabot Yeah, it was late last night and I only skimmed past everything and got the impression it was community-made. I was wrong. We aren't 'SO BACK" like a lot of people think we are. The only thing we have going for us is that they made it to the illustration stage. Knowing valve, they've already done this at least half a dozen times. This is a nothing burger until it shows up, or we get a promise from valve that 'releasing soon' doesn't mean 'cancelled with extra steps'
The title being "SIX YEARS LATER" is kinda funny though, because if we were to look back when Jungle Inferno released, it kinda makes a total of 6 years since the last major update, 2017-2023. Might be just me overthinking, but damn..
Richter overtime had uploaded a video a while ago talking about a supposed “leaked” draft of the final comic. If you take a look at the images and the draft here with the knowledge of the “leaked” draft from Richter Overtime’s video, it seems to (kind of) line up with what the “leaked” draft has. I’m not saying anything, but it seems like it isn’t a coincidence…maybe. Am I insane?
this is mostly of off topic but. fun fact scouts year of death is 1987. other fun fact about the scout, his canonical name is Jeremy. completely unrelated fact. the bite of 87 victim's name is Jeremy Fitzgerald
then a month from now, when tf2 is finally getting light shown upon it, valve digs deeper down their rabbit hole and randomly drops HL3. like HL: Alyx all over again
I just clicked off a video of a meme reviewer stating "Anyone and anything can be "freaky"" which is an extremely insensitive take, so this vid of yours has made my day significantly better, thank you
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan well, you know, after they start to deal with bots (wich they said it was treadmill work) tf2 start getting better, so i thought it would be funny say that's saying doing something as same as dealing with bots will count as treadmill work
As someone who didn't get into TF2 until YEARS after Jungle Inferno I haven't had much official content to get excited about. So the news of something new like this makes me really excited! :D
I actually started crying seeing this vid in my recommendations. TF2 means so much to me & the comics were a big part of the reason I got into TF2, nearly a decade ago. To be able to see this story that I care so much about finally come to a close is something I never thought I'd see. I'm so glad there are still creatives at Valve who care about this amazing franchise
Something that is being worked on "on and off between other projects" does not sound like a high priority release, especially with deadlock around the corner
I binged the entire comic starting at 5am on a weekend of 2018... It was a good read and very chill experience, to which I didn't hope for an ending anymore so it's surprising and I'm intrigued once again
Dude I can't explain how happy I am watching this video, this has been TF2's month man, I am so excited, thank you so much for making this video and showing us this beautiful news, you are like one of the only content creators I can rely on for TF2 news
As somebody who joined the fandom and community because of the comics, and reading them over and over again for a few years, this makes me extremely happy
That's great news! I only read the comics like, last year or so, so I haven't been waiting long. But I'm so happy for everyone who's actually been waiting since 2017!
im so happy with this news cause ive reread the comics like 10 times while wondering when it finishes. also for my theory i definitely think that page is just a dream sequence in either ms.pauling or someone else’s minds.
We have actual information from the people working on the 7th comic. This is not a video about rumours.
Be excited lads!
dude I have not sleped in all night, this is the best thing it could happen rn
WE GETTING HOPIUM WITH THIS ONE🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
Millions Shall Celebrate
Source?
keep coping
I'm having a copium withdrawal and a hopium overdose
"WHERE IS ZE COPIUM!"
"WE RAN OUT! ZERE IS ONLY HOPIUM!"
"NEIN! IT WILL NOT DO!"
"HERR DOKTOR, IF THE PATIENT DOES NOT GET ANYTHING THEY WIL DIE - OF BOREDOM!"
"ARGH! FINE! HOPIUM IT IS!"
I too hope there won't be politics in this story about a company profiteering by selling weapons to both sides of a pointless conflict, where the machines of war are literally fueled by money.
Or in which the dumbest person is a patriotic American.
@@manitoba-op4jxits a comic about honeyed up men fighting bears bare handed and shit why would they do that
@@manitoba-op4jx Are there new writers that are known for doing this? Has valve been doing this with other series? If not, I think you’re watching way too many “everything is too political” content farm channels, because the TF2 comics are probably the last thing I would ever expect to get seriously political, yet somehow it was what you thought of first when hearing about a new tf2 comic.
We’ve been coping so hard we ran out of copium, never thought we could run out of our most vital chemical
"Draft 27" at the top of the script is wild ngl
damn no wonder it 7 years💀
Valve moment
Knowing Valve's procrastination, the 26 previous drafts were probably all written within the past month
That’s the writers life for ya
@@TTSP907alteast it’s (probably) gonna be good
Bots banned, final comic all but confirmed, we're reaching levels of "we're so back" that I didnt think were possible
i would be shocked if there is soon news of a major update in the works
We’re so back that I feel like a should turn ar- *AHHH*
the 'were so back' is just copium. It's a 17 year old game, abandoned for almost half its existence. It's clear this is a community project, with original writers coming along to emulate official content, which to be fair is practically the same thing in my eyes. I'm glad to see it, absolutely, but this game is by no means a new toy. If you have been around as long as I have, you'll realize it's all a fucking daze. We get scraps, get overjoyed, expect more, and are left blue balled for half a decade before we get even less than before. I do think there is some potential for valve to pay attention to tf2, especially considering what they have done for Half-Life for its 20th anniversary. TF2 MIGHT get ONE LAST balance change update in 2027. I'd give it a 10% chance considering half life is far more important to valve, considering they would not have gotten this far without it. Would not have gotten the capital to build steam into the monolith it is. Valve could have lived without TF2, but not Half Life.
@@TechSpec04 summer update better not be just crates
@@popcultureprogrammer2171 we are going to live forever
"Hey wanna join this fan-made development?"
"lmao no, here's a sneak peek of what's to come."
Basically yes
*HEV suit noises*
Hopium administered
this is hilarious
HAVE A VERY HOPEFUL DAY
Fully clothed and revived
That should be the new title of this comic 😂
the clothed and the alive
Soldier: how do you expect me to fight when I'm wearing pants
FULLY MODELED
I knew staying up for inhuman amounts of hours would pay off
heck yeah boy
SO REAL
Hahahahaha -my up at two fourth-six watching this
I don't know where to post this but dont we know when scout dies as confirmed by God in the comics
Amen
With the title "Six Years Later" and the pose of the skeletons referencing where we last saw the cast; it could be a jab at just how long it's taken for the comic to update.
Or even at that “leaked” comic script with the explosion and the cavemen.
Classic Valve
They could always pull Psychonauts 2 joke of "it's been a day but it feels like years have passed"
Like deltarune chapter 2
I'll believe it when I see it.
Same tbh
This. I remember when an adult swim TF2 series was "in the works" too.
@@hydromancer4916There's a literal sneak peek.
The title being called 'Six Years Later" is very interesting
Major update release date possible?!1?!
I'm assuming they started working on it in 2023 and wanted it to be a 4th wall breaking meta joke about how long it took since the last issue of the comic.
They planned how long It would take
how ironic
@@somemadnessfan4763 awesome lolbit pfp
"After 7 years in development, hopefully it would have been worth the wait"
"After 7 years in development , please let me know what you think , after you had the chance to read"
AFTER! 7! FUCKING! YEARS!
The entire TF2 community is about to have a field day hearing this right after the ban waves.
Is nice.
And as a cherry on the top... The Heavy update
I’m tweaking I’m tweaking
Is nice indeed
Hmm? Is nice!
The pain. The insanity. The silence. Is now gone.
If this does end up being true, this means that I have finished middle school, graduated high school, and completed courses in college between the time the 6th comic came out and the 7th one releases... (I was a youngin' when discovering TF2)
Insane.
Same
Just add getting married to the list and it’s gonna be wild
Yep, discovered tf2 in fifth grade, read the latest comic in seventh grade, finally played the game (on pc) my freshman year of high school, and am now in college. Holy hell what a ride.
same for me lmao they really have been working on this for a WHILE
i was still in primary school when i became obsessed with tf2, and i’m in 4th year of highschool now, wow
I swear, someone’s monkey paw had a finger go down and valve got up from its nap
I'm thinking it all has to do with that guy who sacrificed his Saxxy upon the altar to incur the wrath of Valve upon the bots. He might have also unknowingly revived the 7th comic's development as well...
i haven't heard anyone mention a monkey paw in SO long
the seventh comic starts with a link to a video, it fades in from black and you can hear the faint sound of tick tock by joji playing with blurred visuals of the mercs.
edit: misspelled link
Whether its a revival or a true sendoff, whatever happens to TF2 will make me happy with this direction its going in.
Someone remember that one leak we had about the last chapter of the comic? where everyone dies in a explosion, and the comic ends with two cave men, one in red, and other in blue fighting one another?
Of course this leak was never confirmed, but seeing this first pannel with those 10 skelletons almost made me think this old leak was real.
It's been 27 drafts
perhaps it was a true leak that considered at some point but was later discarded, writers do tend to make many versions and rewrites of a story until they find something that works.
Yeah , i remember reading that leak , and honestly , it sounded kinda rushed in the end with a fiew questions left unsolved and honestly , i'm happy that this is not real anymore
In the midst of “It’s Joever” a “We’re Joe back” gets catapulted in
We're so barack
The trump card has been deployed.
It's not bidone yet
2024 so far has been actually great year for tf2, first the 64bit update, then valve starts taking notice of the bot problem (slowly), now the tf2 comics are confirmed getting worked on?
It's too perfect. Something will fuck up soon
Let's get positive, then said then we're going to start working on it. And then see to do something, as you said, then annouced it where going to start working on the game, TOO MANY bots we're banned and now we got this. I don't think then will flop this, but there nothing wrong about taking a grand of salt
It seems pretty unlikely Jay Pinkerton would just casually show off an important part of the comic such as everyone being dead through email, so my guess is that this part of the script is just supposed to be a visual gag. I reckon this scene is going to start with this shot to make you *think* it's Miss Pauling and the mercs, only to have the shot fired at the vultures be from her or one of the mercs, revealing they're actually alive. Honestly, it might even be an intentional jab at how long the comic's been taking to release. The whole "Six years later" thing is interesting though.
The draft says "insinuating" and not "confirming," so yes, it will be a joke
Changed "Savetf2" to "Fixtf2" and now WE ARE SO FUCKING BACK
not gonna lie tf2 MIGHT be cooking this year
This is (hopefully) the year of TF2
Good news! We're going to live forever!
If so, that means there's hope for a heavy update. 😮
Don't hold your breathe. As exciting as this is. Valve only moves when we make a fuss.
@@Slimpickenwhat do u thinks been going on
WE ARE SO FUCKING BACK
IT'S BEEN 7 YEARS!
Finally.
It’s about damn time we had some news of the sort
I dont care how much it costs but I am going to go to a printing shop and have them print me a paper back collection of all the comics
7th TF2 comic before GTA 6
when i heard the first ''Hello'' i literally said to myself ''stampy?''
the soundalike is crazy
Hello there. I don't think we've been properly introduced.
I'm Bonzi.
This is what I heard.
Yeah this is how they used to tease the comics back then.
I still remember when i saw WIP pieces for issues 5 and 6 by pinkerton himself, good times
Weezer reference
Wow, it's like Valve suddenly realized that people still like and enjoy this IP...
how about stop bitching about it and be glad it's happening
*community and jay not valve
Another reason why the skeletons can't be the mercs is because when scout is revived by God, he states a very specific date for when scout will die again, the one in question being nowhere near as close to the date these skeletons are shown in. And your kind of expected to believe the date God states scout will die because, well, he's God.
But, hey. That's just a theory, a TF2 THEORY
After 4 years in the community, I finally see actual content...
Whiting the cold and uncaring "its so over" of the universe, i found an indomitable "were so back" in our spirit
Truly deep words
WHERE SO BACK, BOT PROBLEM FIXED, 7TH COMIC COMING SOON, AND A SUMMER UPDATE POTENTIALLY DROPPING TOMORROW ON WEDNSDAY
WHERE SO BACK???, NAAAH WHERE SO *_FUCKING_* BACK RAAAAAAAAH
@@mr.teobruh977 NEXT THING YOU KNOW THE HEAVY UPDATE GONNA COME OUT!
@@FortressForge-Animations ITH HOW THINGS ARE GOING, MAYBE??? IDK WERE SO BACK BABY
ITS NO LONGER JOEVER WE ARE JOE BACK RIGHT NOW BOYS
Rather revelatory how all the community needed to do to find out if the comic was still coming, was ask.
Sometimes, asking nicely works.
It's been 7 years omg
I should mention that if that were in fact the tf2 crew being dead on the ground, it would contradict scout’s proper death, as he was supposed to die in 1985, not 1978.
i thought it was 1987
@@TexTheGuy idk I’m not a complete know it all
Now way valve actually held up a promise
the former employees did, not valve itself
@@popcultureprogrammer2171 COMMAS, PLEASE, I BEG YOU
@@popcultureprogrammer2171 jay works at valve though
And they can't just continue without valve permission
@@crabot Yeah, it was late last night and I only skimmed past everything and got the impression it was community-made. I was wrong. We aren't 'SO BACK" like a lot of people think we are. The only thing we have going for us is that they made it to the illustration stage. Knowing valve, they've already done this at least half a dozen times. This is a nothing burger until it shows up, or we get a promise from valve that 'releasing soon' doesn't mean 'cancelled with extra steps'
First ban wave, now comic, it's going too well...
Good news! WE'RE GOING TO LIVE FOREVER!
i'm just so happy that valve is actualy doing something after all these years
Holy shit this is big. I only learned of the comics after they were out, I'm so excited to be part of the actual hype around a new project!
Same here.
The title being "SIX YEARS LATER" is kinda funny though, because if we were to look back when Jungle Inferno released, it kinda makes a total of 6 years since the last major update, 2017-2023.
Might be just me overthinking, but damn..
Richter overtime had uploaded a video a while ago talking about a supposed “leaked” draft of the final comic. If you take a look at the images and the draft here with the knowledge of the “leaked” draft from Richter Overtime’s video, it seems to (kind of) line up with what the “leaked” draft has. I’m not saying anything, but it seems like it isn’t a coincidence…maybe.
Am I insane?
I am Pyro. I hope the 7th comic is good.
How are you everywhere
It is Pyro. Pyro is Real. Pyro is everywhere.
I am Mini Sentry. I too hope that the 7th comic is good.
My favorite class
@@MiniSentryGaminghello mini sentry
this is mostly of off topic but. fun fact scouts year of death is 1987. other fun fact about the scout, his canonical name is Jeremy.
completely unrelated fact. the bite of 87 victim's name is Jeremy Fitzgerald
wait… IT’S WHAT NOW?
First the bots were banned and now I get to finally know what happens to the end of the comics🎉🎉🎉
my prediction for the end of the comic
the administrator: now I know.. I´m the real team fortress 2 * kiss miss pauling and everything explodes *
"After 9 years of negl*cough*development, hopefully it would've been worth'a wait."
(Alsotounlockthiscomicyouneedtopurchase76keysofsummerupdate)
As the words of a wise man “ It is good day to be not dead”
If a tf2 redemption arc occurs, it'll break the Internet
then a month from now, when tf2 is finally getting light shown upon it, valve digs deeper down their rabbit hole and randomly drops HL3. like HL: Alyx all over again
After 7 years in development. Hopefully it was worth the wait
If it releases it will have to be a greatest shit ever
WERE SO FUCKING BACK TF2BROS
(I really cant belive this, but we NEED to have faith)
We need some goddamned FAITH
If they are making a new comic, I seriously hope they take their time with it to make it as good as possible.
Omg we are so fucking back
I just clicked off a video of a meme reviewer stating "Anyone and anything can be "freaky"" which is an extremely insensitive take, so this vid of yours has made my day significantly better, thank you
Don't get your hopes up
We share a birthday
@@manhoovy193
@@macaronitony6993
@@Brackets_Guy Username checks out
Are the dark ages of TF2 finally over?
Nah, cant have too much hope just yet
Imagine if the 7th comic is just a way to connect TF2 with Deadlock. Would suck really bad
unless crafted well, i'm going to kick gabe in the nuts
That would be the ultimate monkey paw.
Do not ever cook again
*The day is coming... get ready...*
*countdown: ???:??:??:??*
FUCKING FINALLY
Don't do that
don't give me hope
Holy shit, Valve doing an treadmill work, and they doing great job!
Not valve, valve staff who've left
@@popcultureprogrammer2171 huh? tf you are talking about? They cant work on it if they are
not part of valve
How is making a comic treadmill work 😭😭😭
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan well, you know, after they start to deal with bots (wich they said it was treadmill work) tf2 start getting better, so i thought it would be funny say that's saying doing something as same as dealing with bots will count as treadmill work
@@Dr.greencreator228 no I think you're just an idiot regurgitating other people's opinions without thinking about what you're even saying
Okay they are trying their damnedest to get us to buy into the summer update.. And I think it’s working.
Not only did they fix the game but also we’re getting the 7th comic?! WE ARE SO BACK.
Blizzard going to need a Overwatch 3 to survive
If Valve also release major content update then they need go straight to the fourth
As someone who didn't get into TF2 until YEARS after Jungle Inferno I haven't had much official content to get excited about. So the news of something new like this makes me really excited! :D
I joined after meat your match, so this is my second update to get exited over tf2.
I knew it was about the fanmade project but i still clicked
It’s not about a fan Made project. This is real.
It's not the fan made project, someone working on that project contacted one of the comic writers and that's how an official one got confirmed
That cliff hanger with the Administrator and the Australium at the end of the last comic was so brutal, I've been waiting years for this!
Nooo Lon'qudor... don't do that. Don't give me hope. 😭😭😭😭
0 iq
I actually started crying seeing this vid in my recommendations. TF2 means so much to me & the comics were a big part of the reason I got into TF2, nearly a decade ago. To be able to see this story that I care so much about finally come to a close is something I never thought I'd see. I'm so glad there are still creatives at Valve who care about this amazing franchise
Bro's pulling a Richter Overtime move on us 💀.
Stop gaslighting.
I have provided sources to back up my claims, this isn't a Richter Overtime Tweet.
Brother is having a copium withdrawl
@@Lonqudor it can’t be a tweet it is a TH-cam video 🤦 (I am so smart)
bro try hopium
Minor thing, but the "EXT" doesn't mean "Exit". It means "Exterior". It basically shows the outside area, which serves as an establishing shot.
Something that is being worked on "on and off between other projects" does not sound like a high priority release, especially with deadlock around the corner
True, but that's not why we're excited. We're excited because its news of some sort about the 7th comic
Bro can’t accept for a second that they could have died. I don’t want to either but like. Valve might actually be trying to let go 4:07 ❤️😂
Im calling it, Olivia Mann is a robot
if this drops ill eat a shirt
Slightly above the bare minimum, good job valve. *wow*
Holy shit. This is valves apology for all the silence
valve helps to stop bot situation.
the final tf2 comic is being worked on
I HAVE RETURNED FROM THE GRAVE
DRAFT 27?????
We know that medic can’t die because he still owns a majority of his soul.
Glad to see this get undusted
Kind of like the Halo Reach intro.
IM HAVING A HEART ATTACK
I binged the entire comic starting at 5am on a weekend of 2018... It was a good read and very chill experience, to which I didn't hope for an ending anymore so it's surprising and I'm intrigued once again
Soldier's gf is named Zhanna
The is the most peak TF2 has been in a while, the bots were banned (For now) and now the 7th issue is incoming
Dude I can't explain how happy I am watching this video, this has been TF2's month man, I am so excited, thank you so much for making this video and showing us this beautiful news, you are like one of the only content creators I can rely on for TF2 news
As somebody who joined the fandom and community because of the comics, and reading them over and over again for a few years, this makes me extremely happy
hope this resolution isn’t but fleeting and ends up leaving us in the dust in a few weeks or months
damn that last one came out when i was 12 years old
im 20 now, from middle school to college, shits wild
WE THOUGHT IT WOYLD NEVER HAPPEN, IF THIS US TRUE, WE SHALL BE FINALLY ABLE TO REST!
Tf2 had a dead ringer apparently
I was going into this a skeptic but seeing an actual piece of art from it is huge
That's great news! I only read the comics like, last year or so, so I haven't been waiting long. But I'm so happy for everyone who's actually been waiting since 2017!
Guys i think God came back to us
TF2 comic 7:
Heavy:i am ALIVE!
Heavy:is nice.
Heavy: yes,this is stoopid!
The end ;)
im so happy with this news cause ive reread the comics like 10 times while wondering when it finishes.
also for my theory i definitely think that page is just a dream sequence in either ms.pauling or someone else’s minds.
Holy fucking shit is TF2 going through a renessaince right now???