Sprint Filter P08 F1-85 Long-Term Test - Kawasaki ZX-10R (2016)
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- Brock continues his ongoing long-term test series to evaluate Sprint Filter air cleaner performance/filtration vs. dyno results over time. Our friend Mike first let Brock break-in his brand new/zero mile 2016 ZX-10R on the Brock’s Performance model 250 Dynojet dyno back in Jan. 2016 as part of our ‘Loan Us Your Bike’ program and has allowed us to document his results/changes along the way. Check out our latest test after 5323 Miles (8567 km) using the Sprint Filter P08 F1-85.
A brief review:
Total miles using OEM Filter = 1003 Miles (1614 km)
Total miles using Sprint Filter P08 = 9733 Miles (15664 km)
Total Miles using Sprint Filter P08 F1-85 = 5323 Miles (8567 km)
Total Miles on Odometer: 16059 Miles
ZX-10R (2016) Modifications
From Brock’s Performance:
Predator Slip-On (3/4 System) w/ Electro-Black Stainless Muffler ZX-10R (16-18)
Brock Flashed ECU ZX-10R (16-18) - Must Send Us Your ECU*
Dynojet Power Commander V ZX-10R (16-18)
Sprint Filter P08 F1-85 ZX-10R (16-18)
Video Time Stamps
0:12 - Video and Bike Introduction
2:48 - Variety in Riding Conditions
4:18 - Consistency in Dyno Testing
4:50 - Dyno Pull / Run Footage
5:48 - Discussing Dyno Results
7:20 - Bike Disassembly Time-Lapse
8:39 - Inspecting Airbox / Filter Removal
10:00 - Cleaning the Sprint Filter P08 F1-85
12:30 - Crankshaft Vapor Ventilation in Airbox
13:02 - Cleaning Out the Airbox
14:15 - Hey Brock, What About Dust?
15:30 - 5,200 Miles Since Installation (No Cleaning)
16:15 - Sprint Filter P08 F1-85 Reinstallation
17:15 - Comparing Environmental Changes Between Runs
18:20 - Clearing Error Codes with MorDEFY Flash Software
20:20 - Will We See a Power Increase After Cleaning?
21:08 - Dyno Footage (Auto Shift & Blipper) / Dyno Pull
22:11 - Discussing and Comparing Dyno Results
23:50 - Changes in Fuel (Summer vs. Winter Blend)
24:20 - Discussing Final Results of Testing
25:30 - Video Conclusion
Dynojet Model 250I dyno using DynoWare RT, Power Core C3 and WinPEP 8 dyno control - displaying the SAE scale (unless noted otherwise in video)
ZX-10R (2016-17) Information Page: blog.brocksperf...
Visit www.BrocksPerfo... for additional information, installation instructions, information forums, and FAQ sections.
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Would it make more power with higher octane fuel Brock Davidson?
@@mr.zx10r90 here is some info. on Octane: blog.brocksperformance.com/throttle-nation-magazine-the-gas-factor-fuel-options-for-max-hp/
@@BrockDavidson I'm excited to see my bike on your dyno hehe.
Damn those are better numbers than what I was expecting, really happy about that.
Nice to compare apple to apple, not so far from the gsxr.
I wonder what a v4 panigale would do on your dyno.
Brock do you have any bikes that run on ethanol (e85), can you make a video about how to tune one please ? Cheers.
@@arkama67 Hello. We should have V4 on our dyno before too long. Most (if not all) motorcycle fuel systems cannot supply enough volume to properly run e85. Once you get into swapping pumps and mandatory bike specific tuning - its a race bike and we don't mess with it. Instead, we use VP MR12 fuel - it makes more power (normally aspirated), the OEM fuel system is fine and you can simply switch back to pump fuel if you are caught out on the road and can't find e85.
@@BrockDavidson Thank you for the reply, I was asking because gas is getting very expensive in France and e85 is cheap as dirt.
Can you do a video where you tear the motor down after using one of these filters long term? The big discussion in the community is about whether these filters pass too much debris even in a "clean" environment and if that is damaging the engine or not. One tear down video is all the world needs to prove this one way or another.
This long term test demonstrates that the engine has maintained it's horsepower levels on the dyno consistently over time/use...so it's clear there is no "damage". The bike now has 32K miles and runs fantastic - I'll schedule another update soon.
Thanks both to you and Mike! Great to see long term street use on parts.
So bottom line if you clean your F1 air filter say on every oil change, it will always perform consistently!
i saw there is small gap around air filter because air filter is made from very hard plastic material and cant seal space around filter to secure all that incoming particles. K@N offer special paste which can seal space around filter.but these P08 F1-085 was only prototype.today version is made from rubber which seal much more! and can solve that issue with particles on throtlle bodies as well.one week ago i ordered my P08 (pm05s) for my tuono 13 v4r aprc and came made from rubber as well.best on market.i use BMC filter before.:) now i got more flow without oiling!
We have never looked back after finding Sprint Filter. All others are obsolete IMHO.
I tried out a lot of different air filters until I installed the Sprint filter which is the best you can buy. I have been using the Sprint filter since a couple of years on different motorcycle and I can highly recommend it. It's a very good investment and I will never go back to other brands. Thanks to "Brock's" for the video and his expertise!
Thanks for sharing!
I use a drum stick to prop my tank up
Hey brock! I love in London ohio. It's about 40 mins away from dayton. I had no idea you were so close. I would def like to work with you in the near future. I also have2016zx10. I need more power. Love the videos man! They've helped me alot.
blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/do-i-need-to-physically-bring-my-bike-to-brocks-performance-in-ohio-for-a-performance-tune/
interested to see if a japanese or australian market bike were to be done at your shop and what you'd do to it to extract some power. here in Aus all sports bikes, such as the zx10r and similar bikes, all are tuned to a minimum of 95RON. Lowest RON fuel you can buy at the pump here is 91RON with 95 and 98 being readily available.
Bought myself a 2007 gixxer 1000 with 24000 miles (40000kms) after selling my Ducati 848. replaced the oil, air filter (replaced with oem) and spark plugs and found that i definitely regained some mid range torque (most likely from the air filter replacement). went to give it an agressive squirt and found myself in a 1 wheeled situation haha. i'm usually ok with travelling on 1 wheel on the odd occasion but i didn't expect it to pull that hard hahaha.
Love your channel and vids. Cheers Mate
@freelanceriders - in the United States and Canada we use the Anti-Knock Index (AKI) or (R+M)/2 method. This is generally 4-6 points lower than RON. your 95RON which explains our availability of 87 AKI min vs. Your 91RON and our 93 AKI max vs. your 98 RON. More info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating#Anti-Knock_Index_(AKI)_or_(R+M)/2
@@BrockDavidson Wow. That's extremely informative! Really clears up the confusion knowing the different systems in use. Just like imperial and metric.
Great stuff.
@@freelanceriders yep it's the RON vs MON .. researched octain / motor octain
I really wish I would have held out for the F 185 or got the street filter I bought the race filter while Brock was doing the videos on the new GSXR I don't even have 1,300 miles on my bike and when I pulled the air filter it was scary! I went ahead and put the OEM back in since it was brand new
The P16 is a race filter and we don't recommend it for street use. The P16 flows double the air compared the P08, but it filters 1/2 as well (160 microns vs. 80 microns) The P08 F1-85 flows more air than a P16, but filters down to 85 microns.
@@BrockDavidson yes that was what I heard from them when I contacted him about all the dirt particles that we're getting by the po8. I was communicating through email they were going to send me a street used rated filter or I would even have been happy with a discounted price on the new p16 but never heard anything back hopefully I can sell my p08 and recoup some of the money back. Thanks again for all your videos on the GSXR series
Video is important for motorcyclists good work my friend
Straight up honest...love it hahaha
Brocks cool, i wish they would have used my r1s for testing but oh well lol.
Great job Brock. Stand up guy....
i live in a dessert environment, this filter passes lots of dust, getting to it on the zx 10 sucks, went back to oem for now, gonna try PO 8
In a desert environment we use the P08...if the dust is severe, we use the P037 : th-cam.com/video/9me2GupoagA/w-d-xo.html it's important that you select the filter that best fits your application.
@@BrockDavidson alright, im gonna try it, i typically clean filter, change oil and tires at 2,500 mile interval,, i would agree the F 1 is least restrictive,,
Hey Mike. Have you ridden the Cherohala skyway as well ? I like it better than the dragons tail. Luckily I'm in western N.C and kinda close to those N.C treasures
.....and, another great video with lots of knowledge and experience. I wish you still did one-on-one individual bike dyno tuning. My last checkup, the dealership removed my Sprint filter and replaced it with a stock/OEM filter citing "too much debris" in the box. Same filter, different region. So, question: Will going from Sprint back to stock OEM cause any mapping issues with Air/Fuel? More specifically; will it run richer or leaner with less air? I noticed more decel popping but that may be due to a winter tune and high heat summer. And, should the bike be retuned for stock/OEM airflow? I noticed my Dragy blue speed line was not as smooth as with the Sprint. Bummer.
The stock filter flows less air, so the air fuel ratio will be richer. This can also create more decel pop since there are s more unburned fuel in the pipe during decel. Easy fix is to put your sprint Filter back in.
Was it a sprint P-08 or P-08 f1-85
It was a P08 F1-85, but this applies to any Sprint Filter.
Hey Brock, I want to pick your brain a little here. For my 09 GSXR 600 they don’t make the P08 F1 but they do have the p08 instead. What I currently have is a k&n filter (not sure wether race or normal style filter), what my main question is, is the p08 (normal not f1) a better alternative to the k&n. Or would this be such a negligible difference that it would not perform any better or worse? Thank you I’m having this dilemma and cannot figure out how much air the k&n filter passes trough. And the p08 as far as I saw it was 5000 l/m/ second
Antonio, the P08 will not only outflow your current filter (bit.ly/34Sj1fQ) - but you will also receive the other benefits. Fast/Easy to clean and no need to wash/oil/wait to dry. Please go here to request a P08 F1085 for your bike: blog.brocksperformance.com/product-request/ and our team will look into having them produced.
Looks like the filter is letting a lot of dust into the stacks
From watching videos about KN Im gonna say these dont filter as good as paper. Maybe better than KN but still its allowing fine dust and Im.not for that
Unless all that dirt has been caused by blow by. Even then that dirt came in through the intake. Am i wrong?
As much as I want performance I want cleaner engine more. Yes Im one of those people lol thanks for actually admitting that yes if you want filtration stock is best.
We would suggest that you retain your OEM paper filter. High performance air filters are just that..while stock filters going to protect your engine, even at the expense of performance. I feel you, we won't use anything other than OEM oil filters here @BrocksPerf.
How to I get more hp out of a carburetted 100cc engine? I only got an air filter on it. Also the compression ratio is 8.6:1 , is that low?
Bigger engines with more displacement and higher compression always go faster :)
@@BrockDavidson no substitute fore cubes
Great information and always enjoy the videos! I did cring when you started cleaning the underside of the airbox lid while over the intakes, just pictured any fine dirt/sand falling right in the stacks. IMO I wouldn't have done that, but that is just my opinion.
Agree, I would recommend covering the intakes before doing anything to it. Also cleaning the air filter with air pressure is not recommended.
@@tunjuelito Sprint filters are supposed to be cleaned with pressure air.......
You could just make a wiring harness that connects the rear speed sensor to the front
Correct, gets rid of the light...at the expense of function.
@@BrockDavidson only till the bike is of the dyno. Then you can switch the wiring back to stock
Doesn't affect anything on the dyno.
which sprint filter is better? P08-F1 or P16? Also I was told to stay OEM because sprint filters do let some grit, grime, and other particles through. Is that true?
The best filter for your application depends on your goals (go faster/ease of cleaning/maximum filtration etc...) The P16 is a full race filter and it's being phased out as the P08 F1-85 flows and filters better. If you live in a very dusty region, the P037 offers maximum filtration with quick/easy /no mess or wait 'shot of compressed air' cleaning. Please call 937-912-0054 or contact sales@brocksperformance.com for questions.
Hi. I am running a Sprint P08 filter on my 2016 Zx10. Is the F1 filter worth an upgrade from a cost Point of view vis-a-vis the p08? I dont want to compromise on the filteration bit as I operate in some pretty dusty areas and the P08 just about manages to hold things off.
The purchasers of the P08 F1-85 filters are the folks who are trying to extract maximum performance from their machines - we can't make them fast enough, so - yes, it's worth it to them. For commuting in dirty conditions, we recommend the P08 as a minimum and a P37 for very dusty conditions. More info: bit.ly/2xllNwq
I have a dilemma Brock. I’ve got a 2021 mt-09sp and Yamaha changed the airbox style a bit. So sprint used to make a stage 3 filter for the 2020, but no more. The new stage 2 sprint for the 2021 is a filter built into the box cover itself. Do you believe this new stage 2 has as much airflow as the older stage 3?
We have the P08 and P08 F1-85 in stock for the 21: brocksperformance.com/mmy/yamaha/mt-09/2021/
Unless you race your bike KEEP OEM AIR FILTERS for longevity of engine.
Sprint Filter P08 IS OEM for many motorcycles --so perhaps you are saying it's ok the throw money away replacing paper filters? Instead, we use one that is quickly and easily cleaned - so it does not disrupt your air fuel ratio (for better performance and longer engine life),...while also lasting for the lifetime of your bike with no other expenses (oil, filter cleaner, etc...) required.
89 - shell.. the fuel standard for all of the stations in my country is 95, 97 and some stations got 100
blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/why-are-us-octane-ratings-so-low/
@@BrockDavidson man this is an amazing article. Thank you very much!
any other project for gixzilla? Or it’s officially done?
New episode of Gixzilla is scheduled to start filming next week. The series will not be finished until we have made the bike as fast as possible using 100% bolt-on parts and confirmed the performance results at the drag strip.
nicee 💯💯
Not a filter, just a mesh screen protector to catch rocks, bugs, small critters, babies, etc . . . but not a true filter(you can see across the "filter" clearly and what's behind it when the camera focus on it). Brock knows a lot but I don't agree all the time with him, this one being one of those.
Your rings, cylinder walls and pistons will let you know they are not happy further down the road if you keep the bike for the long run.
Can't have both, choose one, Longevity or Performance. On current 1000s already making 190-200hp to the crank I know what I'm using, the OEM part.
Our dyno results conflict with your statement.
@@BrockDavidson That's OK with me. I understand you're in the selling performance business.
This is true and we mention you at 14:30 in the video. Ducati is in the street bike business and the P08 comes standard in the Ducati 1199 and 1299 Panigale Superleggera as well as the Ducati Panigale R. I don't believe they would allow a "not true filter" in these OEM applications.
@@BrockDavidson savage
This is Sprints race filter, and it's not really recommended for street riding because it will let smaller particles through. The P08 filter is there street air filter with better filtering media but less airflow of course, and im running one of those with no problem. I wouldn't run this race filter on my street bike that i'm hoping to get 50k miles out of it nor would i run less than 0 weight oil. But in a drag or race bike, my thinking would be different where the extra few horses would provide an edge on the competition.
Brock in new Zealand we work with RON for the fuel octane. You use 87 on your side so if I understand correctly from your previous comment that would be our 91 ron here is that correct and will that make the best power vs 95 or 98 ron. THANKS
It depends on your RON rating for the bike. We try to stay within 1 point. Example, we don't use 87 AKI in a bike that requires 90 min. We will use 89 AKI as it makes more power than 93 AKI.
hello brocks
i have a bike like this of 2020 model and i am putting a filter like this buf without tuning the ecu is that ok please
some people say to me that i am going to lose power is that correct or wrong thanks for the advice sir
@Clinton Mangion - this FAQ answers your question: bit.ly/3gzDUTE
I use a broom stick to prop up my fuel tank.
Is there much to gain power wise if i was to get a sprint p08 for my 2018 RSV4 will it gain power from the filter alone and more so with a dyno tune?
Yes and yes.
@@BrockDavidson thankyou for your reply much appreciated and love you're very informative videos always a great viewing. Happy new years stay safe 🤙
What's the significance of 89oct Shell?
Wouldn't the high comp engines in this class do better with higher octanes? Nice to see it making about 214 hp at the crank!
blog.brocksperformance.com/throttle-nation-magazine-the-gas-factor-fuel-options-for-max-hp/
@@BrockDavidson Thank you sir
Okay, I read the article. What it was explaining makes total sense to me and much of it I have known already. Next question: does the owner's manual on the ZX-10R specify a minimum 89 octane R+M/2? Most bikes I've owned with at least 12.0:1 compression say minimum 90 R+M/2. I suppose that's partly the manufacturer saving itself from litigation in case the user happens to mix some lower stuff. Do you have a set scale of absolute octanes that YOU personally at the shop use for a given compression ratio?
I downloaded a 2016 ZX-10R ABS owners manual off the Kawasaki website and the tag specifies "minimum of 90+ RON+MON/2" with 13:1 compression. But ironically it's the same sticker for a Z900 which is 11.8:1.
@@exothermal.sprocket He uses 89 octane in all of his stock motor bikes
@@TGrigor92 Okay I understand. But I'm wondering what octane is suitable for what compression ratio.
What kind of seat is that one the bike? I have a 16 zx10r krt and I hate the stock seat after 45 minutes lol
custom from a local seat guy - stepped and covered in headliner material. you would hate this one in 22.5 minutes! But it helps when drag racing.
What seat is that on there? I’m looking to replace the stock one on my 17 zx-6r
@Samuel Buchner - Saddlemen gel-channel tech, according to bike owner.
Brock Davidson Thank you for the response and following up on this. I am a big fan of your products and hope to make a trip up from the Nashville area to visit your shop one day!
clean air mod will fix the airbox oil issue.
You mean connecting the pair to the crankcase breather? If so, that is a verified power lose on most modern sport bikes.
yes! I never knew it affected power. It's more of a preventative measure mod. most guys who do it, do it on older bikes like the f4i or early 636s. Modern bikes are so complicated now.
Most new bikes have an excellent 'mosetrap' system and some even have reed valves to prevent positive pressure from the airbox from entering the engine through the crank vent.
How did that bug go through the filter. That should not be possible.
The bug is on the 'dirty' side of the filter/airbox.
@@BrockDavidson Okay. Makes sense
The camera man sounds like he needs an air filter on his nose! Sheeeeeeesh lmao
mr brocks why you dont have video this days
@raiderboy - we will have more videos soon. We have had a fantastic year, so we are very busy with new product development as well as partnering with new/exciting brands. We are the business of Brock's Performance first - so video production must wait sometimes. Please be patient, we have some great videos on the way!
@@BrockDavidson ty mr brock
mwr or this filter for the same bike? and why?
The Sprint Filter P0 F1-85 is the best filter we have ever tested. More Power. Consistently more power and filter quality similar to OEM. No need to wash/dry/wait/oil/repeat - hit with compressed air, reinstall and go riding. More info: brocksperformance.com/content/brocknm/PDFS/Brochure_SF_EN_APPROVED.pdf In stock, ready for immediate shipment: brocksperformance.com/sprint-filter-p08-f1-85-zx-10r-16-19/
@Brock Davidson is there any updates on velocity stacks?? To go Stupid Fast!! Lol
This bike has Velocity Stacks: Jet Prime Intake Trumpets
@@BrockDavidson would are there any Velocity stacks out there good for gsx-R750? Do they make a difference?
Explain what that dash flashing was and how to fix it
th-cam.com/video/g2nIYWykmdY/w-d-xo.html
@@BrockDavidson so this is mostly for track and Dyno runs. Right
Would this filter work fine in the streets of Texas.
For dusty conditions, the P08 is a better choice. For SEVERELY dusty conditions, the P037 is prefered.
Put a sprint P 08 in my H2 as recommended by your staff brocks you can here the super charger so much better😁
That's an added bonus to running the Sprint Filter - it even makes my F-150 inlet noise sound meaner!
I bought my bike new and I didn't get a prop rod lol. Now that filter looks like it catches the big stuff but I wonder how much fine dust goes right threw into the cylinders and will scare the walls
check out our long term @SprintFilter test results here: blog.brocksperformance.com/sprint-filter-information-page/
DO YOU NEED A TUNE AFTER YOU REMOVE THE AIR FILTER??👀👀👀
NO
hii you have the flash for BMW S1000RR 2017 ,?
Sorry. We do not.
Go to bren tuning
Can you put a 1000 cc in a 600 cc flame
Yes - but it takes a BUNCH of fabrication work. Here is where a Hayabusa engine was installed into a GSX-R600: www.sportrider.com/lee-shierts-suzuki-gsx-r600-powered-by-218-horsepower-hayabusa-motor
How much is the air filter for a 07 busa?????😎
brocksperformance.com/sprint-filter-p08-suzuki-hayabusa-99-07/
How much power gain did the Sprint filter have over the factory filter?
All total around 4.
Dude, the OEM stacks are better than anything out there! Put them back in. They've been proven multiple times to outmatch any short stack competitor. No wonder you're only pulling 190 with an F1.
My buddy got velocity stacks on his 17 zx10rr and gained 1.5 to 2.5whp across the entire rev range after tune.
MWR just released a set that look good...
But yes, I agree Kawasaki stacks are good.
@@Proto2o im not sure the brand my buddy got but theyre carbon fiber and performed awesome!
@@trillabp3971 Chris?
@@Proto2o lol yes chris kelley.
9:06 maan
Y do use 89 pump instead of 93 or 91
blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/how-does-octane-affect-my-bikes-power-and-performance/
The clean side should be clean but wasn't.....so that filter is not really good
The P08 F1-85 is our highest flowing/fastest/largest HP gain air filter. If you want a pristine air box, especially if you live in a dirty area the P08 or P037 would be much better choices. FYI: The bike in this video still makes the same power now as it did 30K miles ago when the P08 F1-85 air filter was installed.
To bad my bike has 24k miles or id invest in the new sprint filter imo shes old and really wont see the benefits.
Older bikes not only typically have more restrictive filters, but usually have more restrictive air box designs, so we see higher average power gains from adding a @sprint_filter, in addition to the quick/easy cleaning. You might also want to run a bottle of our Wynns Power Charge through ol girl... You might be surprised how much she wakes up.
@@BrockDavidson ill it a try see how she likes it. Bike is mileage old at 24 miles but shes a 2014 zx10r. Ill let you know if it peps her up. Thanks.
That's not many miles for that bike. It should run BETTER than new with those miles loosening it up. BTW, the Gen 4s are REALLY fast when set up right.
Bought and installed a sprint p08 not the F1-85 from you last week and switched from my twobrothers shorty with cat delete to a yoshi r77 with akra link pipe. Thru my whole tune off she has a dead spot at 8k rpm hestitates the at about 9k she picks up again in the process now im building a new map via autotune. If you know any good tuners out here in Arizona let me know. Autotune is getting old just want it tuned and be able to go. Thanks.
Had to stop around the 7 minute mark Brock. 1 down 2 up is imo imperative to this bike not being an absolute pig . . . Rant over Brock , P
Customer had dropped one tooth in the front since our last test. He didn't remember until he got home after our testing was finished for the day.