The MOST STUPID Xenoblade Fan Theory of All Time...
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If it wasn't apparent for all of those who think I'm genuinely angry or media illiterate, this is all just for entertainment. I'm not actually mad. It's all just for shits and giggles. I'm not too sure why y'all think I'm taking this so seriously. I still think the theory is fucking stupid but I'm not taking it seriously. Please understand sarcasm
Hey buddy. I don't think Dirk theory is dumb at all, it's just that people are spreading the wrong evidence unfortunately. Someone on Reddit compiled all the evidence into one google doc and it convinced me that developers were implying Dirk is Mythra's son. The Reddit post is titled "[REDACTED]'s Identity Theory (JUST A THEORY!)" since I can't share links here (and if you want to check out all the evidence).
Of course, they won't confirm it like Mio and Glimmer since it's controversial and the majority hate Dirk (unlike Mio and Glimmer who are liked by the majority of the fanbase). If Dirk wasn't Mythra's kid, I think Takahashi would've said so in the interview like he did with the Guldo theory. He would've said something along the lines of "BTW Dirk is not Mythra's son" because debunking it isn’t controversial, but that's clearly not the case.
I’m pretty sure the artbook also implies Mio wasn’t meant to be Nia’s kid initially in development either. She has a concept art which lacks the Gormotti ears and her Core Crystal wasn’t visible either. Another one of Mio’s old designs has her with the Aegis Core Crystal instead of her Flesh Eater Core Crystal inherited from Nia.
Also, I find it funny how in the artbook Dirk is listed the first among the Consuls, with 3 pages like N and M, as well as being the only one with an alternate outfit other than the generic armour as somebody pointed out on Twitter... IDK but I'm pretty sure this signifies Dirk being an important character given the special treatment, probably since he could be Mythra's son. I don't think they will give a random serial killer that special treatment.
At some point, Alvis theory was also considered stupid and yet it's confirmed. Alvis being Ontos wasn't confirmed in Xenoblade 2 nor Alrest Records and was confirmed in a future game (XBDE and XBC3 Future Redeemed), who is to say it won't be the same for Dirk? Especially since the ending of XBC3 teased that he is still alive in Alrest. He could return in a future game as a supporting protagonist (perhaps alongside Malos too) and confirm that he’s Mythra’s son. It would explain why they the devs were ok with not giving him much spotlight in Xenoblade 3 if they were already considering bringing him back for a future project focusing on the true version of Dirk instead of his crazy Aionios counterpart.
Besides, I highly doubt Alrest Dirk was evil considering that Aionios transformed the empathetic Noah into the obsessive Consul N (Noah and N's conversation in Origin confirms that Noah would have turned out the same as N if he were in his shoes).
But I guess we should just wait for official confirmation about who Mythra's kid is. Could be a random person that died in Aionios for all we know. I also agree with you when you said that people shouldn't rage + boycott Takahashi for not answering all questions as such questions may be answered in a future game (Xenoblade 4 maybe?).
I mean.. You literally said this was a rant but whatever
@@oforiowusuafriyie2990 A rant for entertainment because rants are funny to listen to
@@paragonoftorna2548 also I will destroy the xenoblade community with the palm of my hand any none of you will stop me HAHAHAHA its toxicness has gone on long enough...
@@paragonoftorna2548 wait did you delete my reply?
If Mythra had a son, he’d be named Milton. That’s all I can think.
Or Addam.
@@goofusmaximus1482I think she would see Rex as similar to Adam, so I think Milton is more appropriate
Mythra deserves better than to have her child grow up to Dirk.
So much better
True since Dirk solos
Even Crys is better son of Mythra
@@ArmandoCasasDelCampo
No he’s from Keves- he’d be a Shulk/Fiora relative if he was someone’s kid
@@paragonoftorna2548damn a shania lover hating on dirk.
also in the restorer world he’d be good and chill again of course. joran is a chiller in post xb3 it’d be the same.
Everyday, we stray further away from the Conduit😭
One thing though. Gold eyes was NOT a Tantalese thing. It was specific to Addam's line; his descendants. Because Addam was a bastard son of the King of Torna. Everyone else from the Tornan royal family and later on ALL TANTALESE had red eyes. (Apart from Zeke, who _wore a contact lens and an eyepatch on the other eye.)_
Even that doesn't work as proof that Dirk is Mythra's kid because I am almost positive you can find other gold eyed characters in 3.
But are Juju's children some of the NPCs in Future Redeemed Colony 9? That's the real question.
All of them are
Wouldn't surprise me if Joran is his kid. 😂
Out of all the theories i had i would never have came to the conclusion that Dirk is Mythra son cause it just sounds so stupid more stupid than my theory that the Guldos Souls are stored in Origin and when the worlds get recreated the Guldos bodies will be restore to being human because of their collective unconscious.
Thank you for coming out and saying it. There is NO evidence. He shares NOTHING in common with her, he doesn't take after Rex AT ALL, and doesn't have anything resembling a light element ability. Glimmer inherited Pyra's fire. Mythra's kid just didn't show up in game. That's the truth, people need to accept that.
It feels like people want this to be true so bad (even though we have so much proving it's not), like Mythra deserves this or something.
Like hasn't she been through enough? I bet the day she gave birth to her child, she was crying tears of joy. Cause that life was something she created.
She married the man she loves and has a child of her own. That's so heartwarming and shouldn't be turned into a moment of heartbreak.
i don’t think there’s anyone who’s genuine it’s only because it’d be hilarious and the reactions people give are also hilarious.
I knew right away this was gonna be about Dirk being Mythra’s kid
It's obligatory. Something this dumb needs to be talked about
@@paragonoftorna2548 And you wonder how this theory keeps getting talked about notably because of the people who get so mad over it
There's stupid and then there's "Dirk is Mythra's kid" levels of stupid
Lowkey i unironically like this theory cus its funny asf ngl.
DIRK NATION RISE UP 🗣️🗣️ 🔥🔥WE WILL NOT ALLOW THIS DISRESPECT 😤😤
It's still an ongoing thing? Really? I was more inclined to say Mythra's kid was inside the lucky-seven gauntlet rather that Pyra/Mythra, but come on.
People still believe this somehow...
Still a better theory then Paragon of torna and fryethusiast not being the same person
False allegations
@@paragonoftorna2548
Correct allegations
There is literally a Splatoon short on this channel when it should be on Fryethusiast
@paulrance5445 Maybe I just also like Splatoon
@@paragonoftorna2548
Not scientifically possible! Why does Fryethusiast use the exact same thumbnail font and colors you do?
You’re the same person
@paulrance5445 I steal his ideas so I use the and fonts and colors as he does
Guys shulk is blonde, I think he’s mythras kid
Actually true
Finally someone who doesn't believe Dirk is Mythras kid
Dirk concept art is on page 437.
Thank you🙏🏽
Unrelated to the video but I finally got around to finishing Torna
It was such a great, yet sad ending and I can’t help but feel for Jin
(Also who the hell thinks you’re media illiterate, must be outta their minds)
I'm telling you, Torna is a fantastic game. Huge part of the reason why I like Jin so much
(Apparently I'm the media illiterate one and not the people who believe this💀)
The dirk illustration is on page 437 of the artbook at the bottom
Thank you🙏🏽
@@paragonoftorna2548 Just realized someone else said it first. Sorry bout that.
@MediocreChuch1837 All good homie🙏🏽
People who say things along the lines of, dirk can’t be mythras son cause he’s evil and look at all the things mythra did. Miss the fact that CHILDREN ARE NOT THEIR PARENTS. But I don’t really have an opinion on whether dirk is mythras son or not until takahashi says something.
I always thought Mythras child was Mwamba
My condolences
Why does Mythra's kid being Moebius not make sense when Nia's kid is Moebius?
M didn’t have a choice. N brought her back as a Moebius, she didn’t willingly become one.
She even tried to, in Nia’s words “throw herself off” but Nia said it wouldn’t be enough.
Like, do these people really think that if Dirk was actually Mythra kid, Monlithsoft would have been that subtle with it?
Like look at all the other descendant characters. All you have to do is take one glance, and you tell whose kids they are.
Mio looks so much like Nia and has her core crystals, same for Na'el being Mio great grandkid.
Matthew looks so much like Noah people leading up the game throught they might be the same character.
Nikol is just Shulk with Fiora hair and eye colour.
Glimmer looks so much like Pyra except with darker hair and Pneuma pony tail.
So why would Dirk just randomly look so little like either parents that you have to use only hair and lie about the eye colour to make the theory work.
Considering what they are cooking up with Malos maybe they are cooking something with Mythra's son/daughter (it's not a fact but as a writer i would keep the fact that the Pneuma core is the female of the Trinity processor, so if i was the writer i would make Mythra have a daughter instead of a son) for Xenoblade 4 or later, who knows
@@codename_raideni543 My theory is that Mythra had a son, and because of that, he actually has the logos core and is the new main personality of it.
That's why both A and Rex believed Logos wpuld side with them and help and why we didn’t see any hint of Mythra kid.
@@4wheal That could be a possibility, my assumption was based to the fact that from the female persona could only get out a female persona to prevent exactly what you stated because it could happen the possibility of being two Logos and two Pneuma with that possibility, and considering how they aren't technically human but literally big well trained ChatGPT with human bodies that's where my assumption of Logos = can only make males and Pneuma = can only make females (then for Ontos my guy and girl it's built different and it would takes lots of diagrams to explain my case lmao)
never touched xenoblade but you prob right
I go with this theory just because I think it's kinda silly,
We all know Mythras child is actually Nahum Dryer
pancakes or waffles?
Panffles
Sushi
@@hyliastone286 Objectively correct
@@paragonoftorna2548 Of course. It is the obvious choice for every breakfast ^-^
The purple guy looks like a jester
That was the intention
The biggest issue with dirk being mythra's son is the following: (to me)
Rex is the actual king mythra's child is most likely a son as 2 of the 3 are girls. So this last child (unless there's more) would be the true heir to the crown of Alrest or something, and being Mythra's kid gives more legitimacy as the son of an aegis (glimmer too, but Pyra is an aegis but also a byproduct in a way. Mythra too, but less so).
Would you really have a story like xenoblade 2 where now rex's son and new king of the country you kinda united in 2 is a head collecting sociopath? That doesn't make any sort of sense, story-wise.
We dont even know if Rex and Mythra's kid id even a boy. Their kid may very well be their daughter. And if they did have a son, the most likely name would rither be Milton or Addam. And have we seen Dirk's core crystal in game?! It would be just like Glimmer, an emerald green core crystal in the shape of a Zohar from Xenosaga, just like Pyra and Mythra if he really was their son.
I am pretty sure any child of Mythra's wouldn't be evil or at the very least have a strong resemblance of both Rex and Mythra herself. This theory is real silly and I do not know why people clung onto it so hard... I guess it is simply because both Nia's and Pyra's are in the game but otherwise... it is still based that they canonically gave Rex three wives.
I think having à son Who became à Vilain would be good
But NOT ON DIRK
That guy is évil since Birth
Dirk’s circumstances are an Aionios thing + villains aren’t born evil
@@reef-lux450 So a guy who collect the heads of soliders is normal?
@@Rexchuck9968 Sorry but how does that even correlate to what I had previously said? I’m not going to deny he’s crazy since it’s pretty obvious, not to mention his character is based off of those traits. Even so 3’s lore and settings show how those factors contribute to the way he is, such as how Aionios breaks people in the world. It’s a world which consists of an endless war that encourages child soldiers to constantly kill one another in order to live so they can keep living and collect the life force of others; it actively promotes killing and violence, the same goes for Dirk alongside the other soldiers even if his case is worse. He’s also described to have “went mad” which implies he had snapped at some point during his life when he had the Blackblaze title, the side effects of living through constant fighting and war show through him and even in other soldiers in the story as they’re desperate to fight just so they can keep on living. None of the soldiers in Aionios are given choices as part of 3’s themes revolve around finding the ability to choose. Comparing him to the other Moebius, Dirk isn’t under their illusions of believing they’re perfect and he contributes to his psychotic nature by reliving in the thrills of Aionios due to the circumstances in the world making him snap. Since he managed to obtain a title for himself he thrived in Aionios but died various times himself, it also shows later in the story when he’s been defeated before he no longer takes chances and becomes desperate to win against Ouroboros to retain the power he once had since it was what he was used to as a human. Dirk’s character is a product of his environment due to the circumstances in the world, hence the only way he could “choose” in the world was through finding satisfaction within the same violence Aionios encourages. When he mentions dreams during the Cloudkeep scene following by mentioning the transcendence of his past lives, he’s reliving the feeling of killing people in his past lives but he’s also reliving the feeling of himself being killed countless times throughout his numerous memories. He also mentions all of those past memories rushing back to someone whenever they become Moebius, hence it’s why Moebius go mad from the revelations of it all. Dirk’s flashback from the same scene also appears to be just a singular life of his and not numerous of them, it’s the same setting and how could he have gotten the same non-Blade weapon in all of his past lives? Being described as going mad also doesn’t equal to he was the same in all of his past lives; there’s not enough evidence to support both claims in such a way since we don’t know what they were truly like but the effects of the world’s circumstances upon him can still be applied to Dirk. And no, there’s also no evidence he was the same back in Alrest so the “evil from birth” claim doesn’t apply. He’s probably a child there similar as to how Joran was in the epilogue, the same likely applies to any of the soldiers who were Moebius. I guess this is just how I interpret his character since I believe there’s more to him and Moebius than what’s on the surface. I understand there’s people who dislike 3’s villains but it also seems they missed the point of them alongside other elements in 3’s story. This also isn’t a Dirk theory thing, it can apply to his character in general.
@@reef-lux450 You do know that this is not even the subject of the video?
If the theory of "Dirk=Mythra Child" was available
We would have more dialogues between him and Either Nia or Mio.
I agree thought it might be a child like Joran who is a Victim in all of his lives
And it does not even fit Mythra or Rex personnalities
We can only theorise that maybe the child of Mythra would appear in Xenoblade 4.
And again i say "MAYBE"
I think said kid died at some point before the game's events and since they were not a part of the infinite cloning and rebirth process they stayed dead.
The kid, being the child of the Aegis, was probably incredibly powerful, so he or she most likely reached Homecoming very early on in Aionios, thus was removed from the cycle which is why we never see them
@@lemonfry26 Nah I bet the kid died before all of that happened and was never brought into that in the first place. Much like how many party members of the first and second games are not present in the third one. They all reside in the giant metal ball called Origin. I would wager that is what became of Mythra's kid.
mythra dirk hype train letsgoooo…
lmaooo no
So, about the concept art, it was near the end of the book, with I think credits or questions/statements idk
But it was like the last section of the book underneath a lot of text
Also, should be at the bottom left of a right page
Yeah I found it
Title and thumbnail alone have made this my favorite video I've seen all day, and I was given anti-Fascist hope today :D
Glad I could deliver😌
@@paragonoftorna2548 ^-^
Another thing that disproves Dirk being Mythra’s son is that every half human half blade child we see in xenoblade 3 and future redeemed resembles the blade parent more than the human parent from the color of the eye and hair to their gender. Linka resembles Pandoria and is a girl like her, same with Glimmer and Mio, so it’s very likely that Mythra has a daughter instead of a son who looks like her mostly. This is supported in future redeemed where Rex says that Core Crystals get dominance in terms of hereditary traits, which means that because the core Crystal contains the fundamental and basic genetics of the blade, then Mythra’s child would be a daughter instead of a son. So yeah, it wouldn’t even be Dirk
i mean pyra was the protag she was the one rex saved so, i mean
What do you mean by this? What about Mythra?
@@paragonoftorna2548 nah i agree on your vid topic why would mythra's kid even be evil?
You are fryie enthusiat?!
Also who beleived that theory?
I am indeed Fryethusiast
@@paragonoftorna2548 i never made the link in my head until the intro where I thought "is this the same guy?".
I never looked at the featured chaneld.
Do you use another voice for this chanel?
@TM-45. Nope. It's the same voice, I just have a different intro. The Fryethusiast channel is a lot newer than the channel
I like how you provided absolutely no counter evidence and just shit talked anyone who likes or agrees with the theory.
What evidence is there to support it? Please enlighten me. Plus, I'm not here to debunk it. I just wanted to rant about it and provide entertainment because I think it's stupid
Dirk being raised with Mythra's cooking makes perfect sense to me.
Por qué existen estas teorías? 😂
Because people get bored
Lol lmao even. The people like you are what make this theory so funny and making a video with incessant rambling about a video game theory makes it even funnier. I understand disagreeing with it and I respect that but why does it affect the Dirk haters in such a way that they feel the need to be so hateful about something that shouldn’t affect them personally? Reasons aside seeing the Dirk haters get so worked up over it never fails to be funny since fun doesn’t apply to them. As a fan of him ever since the game launched I just like sitting back and watching those people scream over a theory involving one of my favorite characters
Obviously this doesn't make me genuinely angry to see. Same with the people who believe it, it's just funny to go off. It's for entertainment. It's all for shits and giggles
ParagonofTorna has a unique way of deadpanning
@@paragonoftorna2548 The video being scripted as negative kind of makes me think otherwise, but if you say that it doesn’t make you genuinely angry unlike some other people I can respect that. It’s just that a good portion of the Dirk haters I’ve seen are some of the most toxic people in the Xenoblade community and it makes me wonder how they live if they lose their marbles over something so silly. Personally I don’t think it’s that bad but I also agree it’s fun to go off of on both sides, main reason why I’m not against the theory is because it’s funny
Want a crazier theory?
To summarize the theory, I believe there is a specific visual pattern on how genes are presented in offspring that distinguish Kevesi from Agnian. If we apply the pattern to ONLY characters with BOTH parents verbally confirmed, the only child in the photo to meet the criteria of being biologically related to Rex is Glimmer. This means that the photo confirms a paternal relationship but is inconsistent with all other examples of characters who have both parents known in terms of biology. It also means Mio is not 100% confirmed to be Rex's because there is no verbal or in-game confirmation of her fatherhood.
The pattern is fairly simple on its own:
Kevesi are very close in resemblence to their physical features (build, skin tone). This is to the point of being near duplicates physically, but we can tell with Matthew and Na'el that the physique changes generationally (body frames are not the same as Noah and Mio, but are clearly related). Edit: Na'el and Matthew are an incorrect example as Ghondor is mixed. Nikol or Panacea are better examples, not sure why I went to Na'el/Matthew. Otherwise, the point remains the same.
Agnians have a blend of color pallettes, most prominent in hair and eyes.
The only example of mixed is FR Ghondor, whose genes progress from Mio and Noah to Ghondor and Vandham, none of whom have both parents known. Bring the two opposites together and the evolution processes combine. Kevesi seems more dominant.
The problem comes from the fact that only a select few characters have established parents, being the children of main cast members. Glimmer is the only to line up. We can call it obvious subtext of fatherhood, or we could call it obvious subtext of a paternal relationship. A father figure does not require blood relations. Blood and family being related but not interchangeable has always been a fundamental part of the series' philosophy.
Nikol looks like Shulk and Fiora.
Panacea looks like Sharla and Reyn.
Glimmer has auburn hair and orange eyes. Pyra has red for both. Rex has brown and gold respectively.
Red+brown=auburn
Red+gold=orange
The same applies to Linka, but Zeke's features are grey, being a shade rather than color. This means Pandoria's features are, when blended Zeke's, a different shade of green from Pandoria.
Now, there's a meta-narrative element implied as well. I'm referring to the rule of 3. This is a narrative construct of using 3 occurences of something within the story to convey a point.
1. Set expectation
2. Set pattern with repetition
3. Evolve pattern
The most common approach would be for the third occurrence to be subversive toward the previous instances.
2 Agnian
2 Kevesi
1 Mixed
That is the confirmed set.
That set includes a mixed.
We have 3 babies.
Compare the babies.
Mythra's baby and Mio have the wrong hair colors for Rex to be the biological father. Glimmer does.
The photo conveys 3 children with the indication of Rex being the father. 2 fit, 1 doesn't.
Boom, rule of 3.
So, we know Glimmer and Mio to be 2 of the kids. Who is the 3rd?
Well.... this is where the theory gets into bigger unknowns.
Future Redeemed gave us the identity of one (Glimmer) of them alongside multiple other kids to increase the sample size for genetic inheritence. The scene that introduces Glimmer also introduces a child roughly her age with blond (the missing link!) hair. Nikol.
Regarding the aforementioned rule of 3, Nikol's presence (assuming this to be true, and I realize it may not be) would indicate another hidden pattern. A Kevesi in the photo would suggest perhaps one is mixed (Mio), thus completing the trend of at least 1 Agnian, 1 Kevesi, and 1 mixed. In this case, we are led to believe they are all Agnian, but they are actually the same as the previously established groupings despite seemingly not.
I don't know how or why Nikol would be there. I suspect it's a matter of protection with Mythra acting as a temporary motherly figure. Shulk references having been there for Nikol's childhood but the line can be interpreted as him AND Rex helping each other with parenting (paraphrasing, it's along the lines of "I never thought we'd see them grow up like this again," I'm putting extra attention to how Shulk specifically uses "we," "them," and "again"). This can be interpreted as a sentiment of shared experience as parents, but with Xenoblade I'm inclined to believe "we" suggests togetherness. Not to mention that Shulk and Rex do not abide by standard rules of spacetime. Meaning, I find it most likely that Shulk and Rex particpated in raising each other's kids together.
My guess would be hiding Nikol from Moebius for a reason we aren't aware of yet and Shulk's absence would have to be temporary.
Anyway, the point is that Rex is only biologically related to Glimmer and I'm not totally convinced Mythra is holding a child she birthed. Even if we set aside shakiest part with the Nikol concept, I don't know why people are so opposed to Rex, an orphan, raising kids without parents. I'm not personally opposed to open relationships, and if it turns out he had kids with all 3 it's really whatever to me, but the appearances of the babies simply do not align with the information we have and I don't like how much that gets flagrantly ignored.
There is nothing I want more than Dirk to be Mythra's son.
DIRK NATION REPRESENT
I'll headcanon it until given hard proof it's someone else because it makes all the deniers hilariously distraught.
Haters will say its fake
I'm haters
Is it bad that I sometimes wish that Xenoblade had stayed a niche series so that negative discourse like this from media illiterate people wouldn’t be so widespread and give the series such a bad impression?
I hope you know this is just for entertainment and not because I'm some brainless media illiterate bafoon who stumbled upon Xenoblade. It's really not that deep
@@paragonoftorna2548 Sorry if it came across as if was talking about you specifically. What I meant to say was how it sucks that some people who call themselves “fans” of the Xenoblade series that I’ve seen take advantage of negative discourse around Xenoblade as well as take information at face value instead of doing their own research on said topics. That being said, I love the Xenoblade content you put out for one of my personal favorite video game series. ❤️
I'm glad it gained popularity.
I'm not glad the game that brought it into the spotlight was XC2.