It makes me cry that people are throwing the word “ toxic “ around to describe their relationship. They obviously don’t see the show the way they should. Wilhelm and Simon are hands down one of the healthiest and most realistic couples on tv. They communicate their thoughts and feelings and don’t just kiss to make up for arguments or stuff like that. It is very obvious that they both love eachother deeply and most obstacles if not all of them in their relationship aren’t caused by Wilhelm or Simon. It’s is or the system or monarchy or whatever. People get these things really twisted and it honestly pains me, because this show is so good per representation and just everything! I very much agree with what you said
100% agree - the communication between them was my favourite part of the show. whever something happened, they didn't push each other away they just talked and that was so powerful. Like the locker room scene at the end was originally written to be another 'intimate' scene but when it came to filming, they realised that that actually wasn't what the two of them needed in that moment. Honestly they're so mature for their age and I loved seeing such a healthy couple on screen
Agree with you!!! Lately people like to label things as toxic without even trying to observe more. I read somewhere that Ayub and Rosh are toxic friends to Simon just because they are angry at him for attacking August. 🙄
Which makes me think that they will eventually end up together and be boyfriends for a long time. They might get married at the end or might not. But their relationship dynamic is so healthy, god I love the healthy communication thing between couples.
simon and wilhelms relationship was more healthy than most adults. there was love, understanding and communication. society not allowing their relationship doesn't mean its an unhealthy one
I definitely agree that Wilhelm’s love language is touch and it’s very clear to see. But I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else discuss what Simon’s is. I think you are right about the words of affirmation. So, in that case, the ending is actually perfect. Wilhelm tells Simon that he loves him and Simon hugs him back. Each communicating in the love language of the other.
It seems Quality Time is Simon's love language. Look at when he seems happiest: when friends are around, when family is enjoying each other at dinner, when playing the piano together. He seems miserable when eating by himself or feeling abandoned.
wilhelm’s need for physical touch gets me so bad, i mean it makes sense because he deals with so much chaos and anxiety and pain and it seemed like no one cared. you can tell he didn’t get as much attention or affection because he was second in line. when he fidgets and bites his nails his parents would just smack his hand away (that shit HURTED) and even with erik (love erik) he physically didn’t want to let go. the scene in episode 6 after the video got posted where he hugs himself makes me want to cry. he just wants to be held and comforted. and i love that simon is okay with giving him that. he WANTS to give him that. people can cry toxicity because we don’t see wilhelm giving simon the same treatment as much but part of being in a relationship is listening to your partner and their needs in a hard situation. wilhelm spent a lot of the show hurting, and simon did what would make him feel better. and wilhelm did the same thing, just in a different way. simon likes words, just like you said. he likes the compliments and in the locker room scene + the bedroom scene where wille is laying in his lap, wilhelm comforts him with words. he tells him that he wants to be with him and that they’re doing this together. and that’s what simon wanted. they balance each other. physical touch isnt the only way to show love. god imagine calling literally THE least toxic relationship netflix has ever given us toxic BECAUSE ITS NOT TOXIC
@@lovemyshelf you’re so welcome, this show has so much depth i could go on and on forever about it- that’s why i’ve been binge watching videos like yours i love discourse and analyzation of characters and plots, it’s my favorite thing ever!
i feel like some people who watch young royals don’t look at the depth of the situation and they just want simon and wilhelm to be together and that’s it. People are looking for unrealistic happy endings (which i am too ofc) but fail to realize that these are teenagers and one of them is a prince
Agreed. I'm so glad that the "Happily Ever After" wasn't tacked onto the final episode of this season, because it wouldn't have made any sense and if the show comes back for another season, then where could the writers go in regards to storyline development for Wilheim, Simon, and their pairing?! Something bad would have to happen for the drama and then folks would have bitched about "unnecessary drama"!
@@VixenByNight72 YES i knew from the beginning that they would end because simons out and doesn't want to be anyone secret. if they were to end up having a secret relationship it would not have been right or fair to simon, he had so much courage to be out and proudly out it would not have been fair to shove him back into the closet. I do hope they end up together but only under circumstances where simon doesn't have to hide it wouldn't be right.
I think the reason i wouldn't call their relationship toxic is because Wilhelm's reasons for the push and pull and denying that it was him in the video at the end was NOT for himself. It wasn't to save his reputation or because he cares what people think about him being gay unlike many other characters in other shows in his situation. Wille has NO internalized homophobia. The only reason he hesitates and want to hide is out of a sense of duty. Because he is taught that family comes first. I don't think Wille is so cowardly that he couldn't take the heat or stares or comments he would get because of being with Simon, after all he still talked to him often at school even when Simon is openly gay. Clearly he craves Simon so much that I think he'd be okay with putting up with people's shit. He hesitated and wanted to hide to protect his family, to protect the crown, not himself. Which is why Queen Kristina's betrayal in the end hurt more than anything. Because he gave up the thing he wanted more than anything to protect her and she couldn't even tell him August did it. But in the end I completely agree with all of Simon's decisions. He is very mature with his rationale and they actually have a very mature relationship where they communicate and care deeply for each other.
100% agree with you! The writing in this show is amazing, especially when it comes to those two and how they navigate their problems! You can understand both of them, and they both manage to understand each other which is so refreshing to see on T.V!
I do question whether or not he has internalized homophobia, because Lisa herself said Wille's problem is not his sexuality but his duty as a crown prince.
@@joewu294 Then you have your answer! It wasn't internalized homophobia but him coming to terms with the fact that he was feeling things for a boy (for the first time) while knowing that this wasn't what the monarchy had planned for him ^^
@GünniB not only has he stopped caring about what his schoolmates think but as one of the kids discussing the video after the leak said, they know what the bedrooms look like and everyone at hillerska could recognize it was wilhelm's. he doesn't have any reason left to just be bro-y with simon in public on school grounds since there's not one kid left who doesn't know they did the do, might as well let them know it's time to get used to it by way of also letting simon know he's already started thinking and sorting his shit out because no teenage boys who are just friends hug like that lmao (someone timed it and it lasted almost 30 seconds, even i, as a woman who is kinda touchy feely, never hugged a ~friend~ for this long except maybe before or after not seeing each other for at least months, but definitely not when leaving school like two weeks for the holidays break xD)
Yessss to everything you said to address their relationship being “toxic”!! The environment/situation is toxic, not their relationship. I thought the way they always had such open and straightforward communicated (even when they’re fighting) was so refreshing, for a teen show especially!! Also on the tweet about Linda, I saw a clip of Lisa Ambjörn talking about how Linda isn’t a perfect mother, because she has a tendency to be too passive in her parenting. She specifically referenced how Linda lets Simon deal with Sara’s outburst in episode 6, and how she doesn’t really do anything to intervene when their dad shows up at Lucia even though Simon and Sara are both clearly uncomfortable. I still think Linda is a great mother in how supportive, warm, and gentle she is with her kids, and she’s so strong for getting them out of a hard situation with their father - to be honest I think the fact that she has some flaws as a parent only makes her a more interesting character! Especially when comparing Linda who is warm and supportive but more passive to the Queen, who is cold and distant but assertive (although I despise the Queen and love Linda lmao)
Yup! Some people told me about the Linda thing and it is really true, I just never stopped and thought about it before... Also everything you said in the beginning is 👌🏻
First of all you look so GOOD !!! As always I agree with everything you said (but you know that). Now here's some of my hot takes. 1. Simon not saying "I love you" back was not that big of a deal. As you mentionned, love can be shown/expressed in so many differents ways and Simon's actions spoke for himself throughout all of the show. People have just been used to seeing love being reduced as those three words . 2. Realistically speaking, this was the best ending we could have for both of them. In fact, I don't even view this as a "sad ending". 3. Despite being one of the most beautiful scenes ever, the football field scene was NOT romantic. Even if Wilhelm's words were beautiful, the confession was not "cute". We're talking about a mourning teenager under alcohol & drugs influence in the middle of the night. The situation must has been extremely scary & stressful for Simon and this scene should never be romantized. 4. People tend to underestimate Simon's issues and only focus on Wilhelm's struggles. If you pay a bit more attention to the show, you can see that Simon also has a lot going on in his life. 5. This one is more lighthearted but my boy Simon had every right to beat the shit out of August in that scene, I was cheering for him the whole time......... (I understand his friends' reactions tho)
To add onto your point nr. 2: I don't just think it wasn't a sad ending, I actually see it as a _hopeful_ ending. We were reassured of how much they actually love each other despite not being "together" at the moment, and we saw Wilhelm be completely disillusioned (and betrayed) by his family (the look he gives us at the very end suggests he might be done with trying to please his mom and choosing duty over his own desires). That just gets me hopeful and excited for what's to come.
Beautiful football scene, heck yes. I don't know why people would romanticise it though? It is close to reality whereby watching that scene reminded me of myself once. Sometimes it takes 'substances' to finally admit how u really feel. I had to get drunk to confess my feelings for my volleyball teammate. Had a few drinks with some friends who were there to support me emotionally haha. Told the guy I liked him and asked if he was into guys and he responded with "sorry but I don't". I cried on the bathroom floor for a min then went back to my friends that comforted me. Went back to volleyball training the next day expecting things to get awkward but it didn't. I was the team captain so he can't really be mean to me but I do think he was a genuinely nice guy.
I loved what you said about Simon loving Wille as much as Wille loves Simon. I really saw that in the scenes you mentioned, plus the fish naming scene. When Wille puts his arms around Simon and he rubs Wille's arms, the look on his face shows he's fallen hard. And then, after Wille kisses his neck, Simon hesitates for a moment and then moves his head back to nuzzle his face against Wille's. That's where he's conscious of the love he feels, I think, and allows himself to fully give into it. And I love right after when Wille strokes Simon's hair (it was great you used that scene in the edit you did) because that is Wille showing so much care and love. Ahhhh...Now I want to go rewatch that scene again. Thank god for Netflix's 7 best favorite scenes video - I've watched that more times than I care to admit, particularly the first three (ending in the last hug).
yes!!! i love the way they depicted their attraction to each other in the show and their love. as an ace person it was so refreshing to see and i was able to connect even more to them and the story bc of it. it was really different from what we usually see on t.v!
My unpopular opinion is this: I don't think Erik is as great of a person as the fandom hypes him up to be. I do think his relationship with Wille is sweet and bless him for being the only person in their family who actually gives Wille the affection he wants/deserves (he actually hugs him, which is more than can be said for their parents) and I'm geateful Wille had at least one person in his family he could be open and completely himself with. But people tend to ignore the fact that Erik was just as monarchy-focused and duty-driven as the rest of their family. We not only hear this from other characters (August and the other guys in their little club have mentioned multiple times before that he was very into his role as the crown prince) but he himself has berated Wilhelm before for being "selfish" because Wille didn't want to do what the monarchy said. He wanted Wille to fall in line multiple times. This is why I believe had he been alive when the video went viral, there's a big chance he would have wanted Wilhelm to deny it was him in the video just like the Queen did. He would have been more understanding and gentle with Wille, I think, but I believe he would have ultimately chosen duty/the monarchy. Though honestly, the biggest thing that bothered me from the start was the fact that he laughed along with August's gross comment about getting with girls when they're still too insecure to object. I feel like when he was at school, he was a bit like the rest of those Society guys.
I think I agree with you and sadly Erik is the perfect exemple of someone who folds himself in what people desire out of him. I don't think he was laughing along with August bc he thought it was funny but because he knew he "needed to laugh". What he says to Wille in ep3 suggests that he's used to pretend to be someone else, which is truly sad. At least, a part of me think that even if he would probably have pushed Wille to deny it was him in the end too, I think he would have supported Wilhelm still. He did use gender neutral pronouns after all during ep3 while talking about Wille's crush, which gives me hope 😔
@@lovemyshelf Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head. I just finished listening to Ivar's interview on the Permanent Rain channel and he also believes Erik had two personas, so to say. One was his public persona (the polite and proper crown prince who is nice to people and mingles with other aristocrats) and the other his private one (like how he is with Wille when they're alone). So it's very possible that it's just him "fitting in" with August and his crowd, not what he actually believes. I also agree with you that he would have supported Wille in his relationship (and liked Simon as a person), it's just that his sense of duty to the monarchy would have played a part as well. :/
I am fascinated by Erik's character because of the two sides he has! We see so little of him in the show so there's lots of room for Interpretation and fanfic. I don't think he "laughed along" with August's comment because he agreed with it but he laughed because he thought it was ridiculous. Of course the ideal way of dealing with this would be to confront August about his mysoginistic opinions...
@@leosax6962 I agree! And I think they might explore the concept of having 2 personas with Wilhelm in s2... At least that's what I would do as a writer ajshwxihwen
@@leosax6962 It didn't look like a "this is ridiculous" kind of laugh to me, but either a "lol, I agree" or an "I'm gonna laugh to fit in with you." There's a big chance it was the latter. I agree with you about the rest of what you said. Btw, I still like Erik despite some of these flaws he has.
i’m back to run my mouth some more because i think wayyy too much about this show i seriously love wilhelm so much, i just want to give the poor boy a hug. i see him in any scene and my heart just melts immediately. this poor fucking kid is SIXTEEN having panic attacks every other day over pure fear of himself and his future. in the beginning they make him seem like a delinquent who’s violent and rude and spoiled, because that’s what his family treats him like, but then you see him at school and he’s just- not. he’s sweet and kind and polite and an absolute gentleman. you learn that he’s not violent, he’s hurting and he has 0 outlets for it. hell even when he gets high off his ass to cope he still ends up laying in the grass having a mental breakdown because he feels like he has nothing- everything is fake. his situation is just so fucked up. his life is fucked up. it breaks my heart. after erik died he really felt like he had no one other than simon. and it got even sadder because when he came back to school after erik passed and especially the video got leaked i think he started to feel like he had august too. when the video came out he felt like his mother actually cared and was really just trying to do what was best for his life (i think he caved because she brought up how much worse the attention and pressure would get and how much he hates it as is). and then both of them betrayed him. wilhelm realized during that phone call that his mother doesn’t actually care about him. sure she loves him but she chose to protect august and the family’s ‘legacy’ over her son and that’s not fair to wille no matter how you look at it. you can feel the dread building from the phone call to the final goodbye scene. wilhelm realizes he denied the video and lost simon for a monarchy that doesn’t give a shit about him or his happiness. and i think in return, he’s not going to give a shit about the monarchy. maybe i’m hoping for too much but when he looks into the camera you can feel the anger radiating off of him. it’s a change from the pure sadness and regret in the scenes before. (PHENOMENAL acting from edvin btw holy fuck) they made it so it said ‘revolution’ right when he broke the 4th wall and gave that look of anger. i don’t think he’s gonna do anything super crazy in season 2 but i feel like he’s done protecting the monarchy because they refused to protect him when he needed it most. also i hope we get to see some development with wilhelm’s clear anxiety issues in season 2. shits about the hit the fan and i’m curious with how he’s going to cope with it. edvin is INCREDIBLE and i think he’d do a great job showing wilhelm’s management of his panic attacks in the future overall i think the ending is the absolute best we could’ve gotten because it actually sets up so much for season 2. if it ended happily no one would be so on edge wanting to know what’s going to happen, better chances for a renewal!!
I'm gonna need you to tell me you have a twitter... PLS TELL ME YOU HAVE A TWITTER BESTIE BC I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID AND I NEED MORE SMART PEOPLE IN MY TIMELINE 😭
People who throw out "toxic relationships" easily probably have never been in one and has a very TOXIC view of what a relationship is. No relationship is perfect and they will soon realise that (if they're lucky). That doesn't make it toxic.
i love wilmons relationship, it was so real. they had a good comunication and didint just trust what everybody said instead they asked eachother if it was true, for example when agust said that it was simon that gave them drugs, wilhelm went to simon and asked him about it instead of just asuming something
exactly! i really liked that they actually talked like real people in this show! and they always tried to hear each other out which i feel is really important!
I agree with you in almost every opinion! Words of affirmation being Simon’s love language is beautiful, especially in ep 6 when he says to Wille the same words that his mom says to him (smth like “you’re strong, you can do this”), i found that to be very endearing and a proof of how much of a good influence Linda is to Simon. She is not perfect, but she is a good mom. Also, people taking sides… it doesn’t make sense for me. Both have their reasons to act a certain way and I understand them even if that means the relationship has to be on hold for some time. I think is bc we’re so used to seeing that in shows, where thr story leads to that, but here??? I ship them from second 1 of them smiling to each other and i am unable to pick a side. I could go on and on about this for hours so really: Thanks for the video! The fact that your channel is full of yr content after your initial reaction videos is the best thing. I’m glad to see that i am not the only one who can’t stop thinking about it. If I had a channel, I would do the same haha
First of all, thank you for your comment! YR definitely had a huge impact on me and since I tend to get obssessed with stuff I like... I think it's safe to say the YR content will keep on coming lmao I agree with everything you said btw! What really struck me while I was watching was how well the story was told. You could see the perspective of both characters and empathise with them, and I liked seeing an actually healty relationship on screen. They fought, yes, but they talked and tried to understand each other and I think it's really beautiful, especially considering how young they are. Of course they need to grow as people still, but they're already so mature and emotionally intelligent! Love that for us!
Even though I don’t think that the relationship was toxic, Simon’s heart was broken by Wille at least 3 times through no fault of his own. I understand where Wilhelm was coming from, but Simon didn’t deserve it. Also, Wilhelm has a lot of maturing to do, since he doesn’t seem to look at things from Simon’s perspective much, and that could be because he has been the center of attention his entire life and has never had to so far. But I do think he is good at his core and will change for the better with each time he is challenged. However, I did think it was unfortunate that Simon never confided to Wilhelm about any of his problems - the money issue, August, his dad. Not sure if he has always felt like he has to solve his own problems or if he thought Wilhelm already had so much to deal with. It’s sad that he couldn’t have that support even though he was always there for Wilhelm. Regarding Linda - I thought she was really sweet and obviously loved her kids. But the writer herself said in her Instagram live that Linda is problematic because she relies on Simon too much to take care of things and that is unfair to him. And that she is too passive, especially when the dad showed up. She could see how Sara was affected but she didn’t do or say anything. It may be understandable based on everything she has had to deal with but it doesn’t make it right.
I think it's interesting to see that even though homophobia isn't a big 'issue' in the show, they're still having to deal with internalised homophobia and getting used to being a gay couple (mlm) in a world where it is still new. I think that Simon just takes it very maturely and gives Wilhelm a lot of patience which is very dependant on personality rather than any sort of toxicity.
@@kiki7475 Yes. I’m not sure if it’s internalized homophobia necessarily. Maybe a little bit. Wilhelm is very young and this may have been the first time he’s acknowledged a same-sex attraction, so it may just be him understanding and coming to terms with it. And Simon is clearly very empathetic but is definitely not a doormat. Every time he actually needs to, he does stand up for himself.
see, i think you should be connecting the two parts of your comment. the fact that simon doesn't really talk about his own issues with wilhelm could very possibly stem from his mother a little bit too passive and letting her son handle her shortcomings. he's used to being relied on and that might make him feel like he can't be the one asking for help so he'll try to solve his own shit alone and not realize that one person can both need and provide help for different things at the same time. we're also clearly shown that wilhelm is one such person when he's dealing with whatever his teenager bean brain is doing to him but also makes time to call home after hearing august is broke and try to help him out (even though he's mad at him and is ready to expose him to his buddies but well... bean brain)
For me there are two coins of every situation. And im trying to see it from multiple perspectives. First simon didnt deserve this push and pull bc of that it made simon very confused very often. All he wanted was love and he really tried to make wilhelm as safe and comfortable as he could and then ended up getting his heart broken. Wilhelm on the other hand i feel like is very misunderstood and a lot of young royal fans blame him way too much. We have to understand what kind of position he's in and that its not just easy to come out and live a same sex relationship, especially when ur a crown prince. Hes also what 16? The amount of pressure he's in is probably more painful for him that anyone realize and he really just want to please everyone and doing whats best so everyone is happy but its an impossible situation for him. I just think everyone can be a little more understanding. They are both in love with eachother and I think it shows very well in the show. Im actually glad it didnt end on happy terms bc life is a struggle and it makes you want them together so much more. I hope season 2 is gonna give us more drama, I mean we cant forget they are teenagers and are allowed to make mistakes and fuck up, thats a part of growing and learning ❤❤❤
With the first fight with Wilhelm and Simon regarding the drugs... the things that Wilhelm said or the way he approached the situation was not the best... but... Simon DID make mistakes himself, he stole those and gave them to August... with a different intention but... they are still drugs that are still somehow illegal to trade like that no matter how good of a person he is... I understand why he did it and all but he got involved in things he shouldn't just as much as Wilhelm...
This was fun! I actually agree with you on most of the stuff you said. One thing I was thinking of is Linda, yes she is supportive, and loving and obviously wants the best for her children, however, she is also a bit passive as a parent. She let's Simon deal with Sara a lot and the way she just stood there and said nothing when Micke, the dad, showed up at Lucia. She shouldn't have let her kids handel it. So I'm not saying she is a bad mother, just that she isn't perfect. But then, ho is? Also, you look amazing in that makeup 👌
I didn't think about it this way before but you're right! It's true that she's shown a pretty passive behaviour in some situations! :O Thank you for the compliment 🥰
At 19:48, I can somewhat agree with/understand the "Linda is not that good of a parent." I would have disagreed but I recently watched Lisa Ambjörns instagram live where she actually brings this up. You should go watch it, but in short terms she was saying that she understands why people admire and praise Linda, but in reality she isn't that good of a parent in the sense that she doesn't take action when Sara lashes out, or when their father shows up unannounced. She has good intentions but she is too passive at times. Edit: Oop I just saw people already commented this. Oh well :D
I am in full agreement with ninety percent of everything you have said here, which is a relief because it means that I do not have to write an excessively long comment other than to say congratulations and well done. Your insights and observations are spot on and I particularly appreciated your taking the time to debunk the all too often use of the word 'toxic' and that you took the time to go over the actual definition of what a toxic relationship actually consists of. Very well done. However...I am slightly taken aback by your final comments regarding the supposed 'obvious' nature of certain characteristics of a person's conduct whilst in a relationship. I am happy for you that you had the 'maturity' to be so perfect in your first relationship. I am inclined to question why it would only have been your first one, however and not your now and forever relationship if you were really that perfect, however, as it takes two to make a relationship succeed or fail. I have to wonder at your own participation in the failure of that relationship, because in truth, no one is perfect. Your characterisation of Simon is somewhat rather idealised in fact. People seem to gloss over the fact that he stole all of his father's medications, (medications which were prescribed for him and which he needed to function by the way!) all so that he could get the money back that August owed him. That was incredibly selfish on his part. He also refused to take responsibility for those actions in any way, even refusing to thank Wilhelm when he was able to get him completely off the hook, which, frankly, he didn't really deserve. What he did was illegal and it was cruel and thoughtless to his father. And he was never called to account for his actions and indeed felt entitled to not be called into account for them. It was the Prince who 'fucked up', not him as far as he was concerned. He brought the drugs on campus but was perfectly content with others taking responsibility for what happened afterward. He wasn't perfect by a long shot. My last observation on that note would be to say that many of the traits that he demonstrated throughout his relationship with Wilhelm were not only laudable but incredibly mature as you have said. But he was fortunate enough to have the solid foundational support and unconditional love from his family and friends growing up which allowed him to develop in a way which gave him the emotional fortitude to act the way he did. Not everyone has that. Many people do need to go through several relationships in order to learn how to communicate better, or even learn to be there for someone else rather than seeing themselves as the centre of the relationship. Many people go through a process of learning all of these characteristics that you seem to think are obvious. They are not obvious to everyone. I came from a family which does not communicate and does not demonstrate outward affection very well and I have had to learn these things over time because I was not exposed to them growing up and so they never occurred to me until I made some disastrous mistakes in my early relationships and had to learn from them. So as I said before, bully for you that these things came naturally for you. But don't be so dismissive of those for whom it does not come naturally. Often it has nothing to do with maturity, but rather simply becomes a matter of unlearning old patterns of behaviour and learning new ones. And that is a process we all go through for the rest of our lives, no matter how old or mature we are.
Hi! First of all, without going into too much details, my first relationship ended simply bc 1. I wasn't in love 2. She wasn't out to her parents and the whole thing was starting to weight on her and since we weren't together for that long and I didn't want to push her into coming out. We ended things. For that and other reasons. I wholehearteadly agree with the second part of your comment but the tweet I was talking about was basically just saying "omg simon must have been into another relationship before bc he showed so much respect for wilhelm and handled things so well" and like I said... I thought the given exemples as to why the person was saying that weren't... good enough? for a lack of better words? I think Simon was able to be so mature bc of the environement he grew up in and bc of his really empathetic nature. Not bc he was in a relationship before that. (Of course you can learn to communicate better and stuff if you've been into relationships before and like... grow as a person but idk... what the person was saying in their tweet felt like a reach to me, that's all.) Oh and I totally agree that Simon wasn't perfect and also deserved to be punished for the whole drugs thing but I didn't talk about it there bc it wasn't relevant at all to what I was saying. Hope you see what I mean? And that might be my personal take on this and view of Simon's character, but I don't think he was expecting not to face the consequences. Wilhelm presented things in a way that made it obvious that the boys who actually took the drugs were trying their best to save their asses and put the blame on somebody else. I think that's what annoyed Simon. I said it in my reaction but the right thing to do ethically speaking would have been to tell the truth so all of them could face the consequences but obviously they couldn't. (Not blaming Wilhelm here, I understand his reasoning but he only gave 2 options to Simon and he and his "friends" were safe in both of them, which takes us to the issue of privillege that was really prevalent in the show and something that really impacted Simon, early on since he doesn't have it.)
@@lovemyshelf Hi! Thank you for your reply. You make excellent points yet again! I was not altogether clear in elucidating the point I was trying to make, but basically I think that I was confused as to your reaction to that tweet and as to what appeared to me to be the somewhat glib way with which it seemed you had addressed it. I felt that my own experience in having to go through several relationships in order to reach the level where I am relationship-wise was somehow being demeaned and invalidated to some extent by your expressed opinion that such behaviour should be obvious and should not have to come from experience. I'm still not sure why that tweet bothered you so much. But I think I understand better now your perspective, however, and I appreciate your clarification. I am impressed with your incredible insights. I also did some reading up on something you mentioned about Love Languages. I had never heard of this before you mentioned it, but now, thanks to you, I will begin reading Dr. Chapman's book The 5 Love Languages in order to learn more about it. That is thanks to you! All the best!
J'ai vu que tu parlais français du coup je me permets de répondre comme ça mdr Je comprends totalement que ce que j'ai dit ait pu te blesser vis à vis de ton expérience personelle et je m'excuse pour ça ! Après j'adore Simon, son personnage et sa relation avec Wilhelm, mais je maintiens quand même que la manière dont il a géré le tout c'est genre le bare minimum de ce que les gens devraient s'attendre à avoir dans une relation et c'est le point que je voulais appuyer. La télévision et les films ont fait tellement de mal en nous montrant des relations qui n'étaient pas saines et souvent si toxiques et destructives que j'avais l'impression qu'une partie des gens qui étaient genuinely shook de la patience de Simon et de son empathie ne se rendaient pas compte que c'est le minimum à exiger dans une relation en fait. Après, bien sûr il y a des situations particulières et des circonstances particulières qui font que des gens ne pourront pas offrir ça et ça fait pas forcément d'eux de mauvaises personnes mais voilà, en tant qu'êtres humains, on mérite tous d'être écoutés et soutenus dans une relation et pas rushed. C'est ce que je voulais dire. Du coup je sais pas si c'est plus clair comme ça ou pas :O Trop contente de t'avoir fait découvrir les love languages ! C'est un outil hyper utile pour naviguer les relations humaines !
@@lovemyshelf Pendant plus d'une décennie, il y a eu une série intitulée "Shameless" aux États-Unis. Il y a un personnage qui menace de mettre fin à leur relation s'il n'annonce pas immédiatement sa sexualité à toute sa famille, tous réunis pour une fête, y compris son père violent et homophobe, qui avait déjà menacé de tuer son propre fils parce qu'il est gay. J'ai trouvé cela répréhensible et j'ai presque complètement arrêté de regarder la série à cause de mon dégoût. La gestion par Simon de la situation particulière de Wilhelm et sa volonté de l'accepter et de ne pas essayer de faire pression sur Wilhelm de quelque manière que ce soit était l'une de mes choses préférées à propos de Simon. Sa réticence à permettre à Wilhelm de le reléguer au statut de ce qui, dans mon esprit, n'était pratiquement plus qu'une concubine était admirable et exemplaire également. Il y a trop de gens dans ce monde qui, par peur d'être seuls, ou en raison d'un certain sens erroné de ce qu'ils croient que l'amour comprend, sont prêts à compromettre leur propre valeur et leur propre respect en acceptant de se placer dans une situation qui n'est pas idéal pour eux-mêmes, simplement pour maintenir la relation. C'est ce qui, je crois, peut potentiellement conduire à la toxicité dans une relation à laquelle il a été fait référence précédemment. Les actions de Simon à cet égard ont été exemplaires à tous égards, et j'espère sincèrement que cette scène en particulier servira à aider d'autres personnes dans des circonstances similaires à prendre de meilleures décisions à cet égard.
@@Genevois1205 Tu as juste tout dit ! La seule raison qui m'a fait avaler cette storyline pour Shameless est le fait que la série en elle-même se veut problématique et toutes les relations/personnages sont vraiment complexes et toxiques mais clairement, j'espère ne plus jamais voir ça en 2021 !
This reminds me of why your YR reaction vids are some of the best out there! I always appreciate your nuanced perspective and emotional maturity about the characters, their behavior, and their choices (or lack of same...)
I agree to what you say to 100%, really do, but for one thing…: I don’t think Wilhelm should abdicate. And no it would not be out of character, it would be very much in character if Wilhelm would change the role of Crown Prince/king to be to something he CAN stand for, something he CAN support. Wilhelm is the person he wants to be only when he is together with Simon. Together with Simon Wilhelm has the strength to fight the pressure from media and the people and the queen, the strength to change the role he has a duty to accept. His mother will remain queen till she dies, so Wilhelm will be quite old when he becomes king… they will have plenty of time to fix the heir issues. 😉 and … I simply love your reactions and your thoughts. Keep going! 😍
I actually had a conversation with a friend recently and as realistic as YR is trying to be, I wonder if the writers are going for "the monarchy needs to change and evolve in 2021, there are other alternatives" with the whole story :O I wanted Wilhelm to abdicate bc I didn't want to see him in that golden cage, but if he manages to make things change and like you said, make his role to be something he can stand for and believe in, I think it would be amazing to see! I was too pessimistic before and thought the monarchy would never change but since this is fiction... 👀 Also thank you for your kind words! I'm glad you enjoy my content! 🥺
@@lovemyshelf The irl queen of Sweden (Silvia, queen bc she’s married to the irl king) said in an interview, (like 15 years ago, don’t remember exactly), when she got the unprepared question what the royal family would do if someone (child) came out as gay, (don’t think the interviewer user “LBTQ”…) , anyways, she went silent for two seconds, then said they had never had the need to discuss this, but for her the most important thing was that the child was happy, anything else, like an heir and all laws, was something that could be changed, fixed, if only the child was happy. That sentence hit me hard bc I had never had that support, that the child’s happiness was the only important subject … so I remembered the interview (still do) and sometimes think of it to warm my heart. 😊
So, what I mean is, the royal family irl have done a major job changing the monarchy’s appearance/expectations already. So I don’t think it would be impossible for Wilhelm to change it a little bit more … 😃
Omg this is so good to hear (well read, but you know lmao). It makes me really happy and hopeful for the future! This is truly wonderful, thank you for telling us 🥺
Something I want to add in regards to Sara is that people with Asperger's and autism in general often tend to have a very strong black and white view of the world, and sometimes that manifests in a skewed sense of justice, wherein they 'punish' the person that wronged them. That's at least what I see with my little brother and I think that might be a little bit part of her decision
It would not feel real if simon had said it back and i love for him to stand up for him self and not just "forgive" every thing because wilhelm said it, it must have been so hard for simon not to say it back
I loved this so much!!!! I am so happy that you broke down their relationship and explained how it isn't toxic and they were doing what was working for them. Simon is definitely not submissive or a pushover and I am glad somebody talked about it in such great detail.
You're very welcome! I was getting really frustrated by the people who were saying stuff like that bc Lisa and Rojda did such a good job at subverting tropes and showcase an actual healthy relationship with good communication... I was mad people refused to see that lmao
HI ! THIS IS A reallyyyy late comment but at 19:17 . the way they explained it is them giving eachother their love language, Wilhelm = soft hug, saying "i love you" (words to show love more then touch) Simon = tight sqeeze, longer hug "i hope you have a nice christmas". (physical touch love more than words) giving eachother the love language they provide this is a personal opinion but yee. (BTW LOVE YOUR CONTENT, NEW SUB
Oh my god, I agree 100% about the Queen letting August go so easily!!! I am a fan of royalty and I understand her decision as a sovereign and head of state in order to keep the royal family from scandal, because if the monarchy crumbled, life is not gonna be easy for everyone of them, including Wille himself (usually member of abolished monarchy will have to leave the country/being exiled) and Wille knows that which is why he goes along with the plan in the end. (He should have told Simon before the interview tho, just to save him from being betrayed, having to learn it from news) But the Queen's decision to let August go unpunished is the worst! I agree that's the last thing she can do to be at least a good mother to Wille. And she didn't do her duty as a Queen very well in that part, because she asked August to look after Wille, but what he did, not only hurts her son, but also put the royal family that she tries to preserve so hard into a crisis! Basically what August did is a treachery. Even if she can't punish him publicly, she can punish him in some ways, so at least will heal Wille's pain even if it's very tiny.
at first i was so mad simon didn't say "i love you" back but now i understand better why he didn't do that. *but i need a season 2 cuz otherwise i will be mad again oops*
I honestly don't think that Wille will abdicate simply because he wants to carry on Erik's legacy. Erik cared so much about the monarchy from what we could see and I don't think Wille will go against that even if he isn't the best person for the job. But I do think he will change a lot when he gets the chance and strength for it at some point. But that's only my opinion.
I actually do believe that Wilhelm is the right person for the job and that maybe he would even do a better job than Erik. Bitte I don't think the job is the right job for Wilhelm as it would not make him happy.
To me, toxic relationships in shows are mostly relationships that should like just end because they aren't good for each other but the partners are so freaking blind they just idk stay together? There's so mang shows like that. Obv it's also a toxic relationship if one of the partners is struggling and the other one just leaves but Simon and willhelms relationship was harmful to BOTH of them, so seeing Simon reacting the way he did was a breath of fresh air and in a way so pleasing to see.
I agree and disagree with the statement about Linda being a bad parent. She's not a bad parent but she lacks in certain ways. She's accepting and emotionally available for her kids but she's not perfect. When Sara acted up( for lack of a better word), instead of stepping forward and reinforcing her role as the mother she lets Simon handle it which I think is wrong. It's a bit unfair to Simon; he his own problems and then has to almost act like a parent for Sara. Another example was when the dad showed up at school. Instead of Linda protecting Sara from such a triggering situation she just stands there and Simon once again has to be the one who takes charge.
with the simon not saying it back yes it made me upset but it made sense why he didn't. like he said a bunch wilhelm needs to figure out what he wants and simon saying it back would've changed everything also he has to let wilhelm go for himself and saying those words to him ou loud even if he knew he felt it would have made it that much harder to let him go
Personally i feel that simon had every right to do what he did at the end, their is no doubt that they both love and fell so hard for eachother but villhem just asked simon to be his lover in secret? if i was in that situation i would also do something like that. I also have a feeling that the ending whenever that us (season2,3,4) will end up with villhem abdiquating the throan and august becoming king as august obviously has great love and effection for the crown and he already has the reputation ect.
Agree with the first half of your comment but idk about the August thing... 🤔 It seems there are A LOT of people before him on the list for the crown if Wilhelm abdicates... but who knows, we'll have to wait and see 👀
A bit late here but I still see the Queen's actions are more than justifiable, I am 21 and I totally understand her perspective about Willmon's relationship, because that's what teenagers do (most of them) they fall in love and think it will last forever and nothing else matter, then they grow and find out love is not everything and move on to other relationships. So, the Queen is right in seeing that it is not worth risking the crown especially when William is the only prince. Regarding her not telling him about it being August, teenagers' actions are really unpredictable sometimes, and knowing from the first ep that William can act in emotions, it is not really wise to tell him the truth when you think he will not find out. Finally, I agree that she should have shown him more love but she is not 100% emotionless, she did show some love at times but it wasn't enough, maybe she thinks she has to do that to stay in control (in a way), which I agree that she has to be more of a mother to him not a queen.
I love all your reactions to YR and Heartstopper -- insightful, with genuine emotions. I saw the YR reactions last July and came back to your site for Heartstopper, and I just saw this one. I agree with 90% of what you say, with a few exceptions. 1. Although August should face consequences for recording and posting the video, it's not chid porn. He recorded for only a few seconds (I don't remember exactly, but the video states that it's 20-30 seconds long). Virtually the whole video is shown in episodes 5 and 6, and although it's private and intimate, it's not pornographic. It's not a sex tape, as described in the English subtitles; it's just a video, as they refer to it in the Swedish version. 2. I don't think that Wilhelm should abdicate. He's only 16 and has a lot of time to decide whether or not he wants to accede to the throne. When he's more mature, he can make the decision. Selfishly, I'd want to have an openly LGBTQ+ monarch. Monarchies are among the most traditional of institutions, and a queer monarch would be a step towards equality and representation. Like it or not, becoming the monarch is Wilhelm's duty, and it could hurt all LGBTQ+ people if he didn't fulfill his duty. 3. Although Simon is a gem, I don't think that he is the best human being ever (just a matter of opinion)! Thanks for your videos.
I'm glad you enjoyed my videos! 😊 I already answered to points 2-3 in the replies bc other people already say so a long time ago, so if you're interested, I suggest you take a look 😭 But for your first point, I'm not really sure this doesn't count as child porn. They are still underage and were obviously filmed without their consent so that's a big felony! Also, we only see 7 seconds of the whole video when it's actually around 30 sec like you said so there might be more "explicit stuff" in it. But anyway, it doesn't matter how we call it: it's a video of them having sex filmed without their consent and they're both minors so that's a big no-no!
okay so this is kinda random but if you havent watched it before I'd love to see you react to either skam Norway or skam France! I feel like youd enjoy it since it's kinda similar to young royals and I really liked your reactions to yr!
People already suggested it and I explained that I can't react to it bc I was around when it came out and know the storylie already :/ + as a French speaker I can't get behing Skam France and the way the actors act... It makes me cringe too much, I'm really sorry 😭 No hate towards them, it's in the tone of their voices, I don't like this way of acting I guess and it takes me out everytime 😭
@@lovemyshelf Finally someone who agrees 🙃 I have enjoyed Arthur’s season, but season 1 and 2 are bad, and season 3 have some cute and good scenes, but they over explained too much and they were trying too hard. Never felt natural.
I didn't watch enough of Skam France to form an opinion but yeah... if I don't click with the characters and story I just can't feel anything and I know that's what happened with SF :/
I think maybe it was a good idea not to have told Simon that August released the video. After the way he went after him concerning his rightfully owed money, there’s no telling what he might have done to August ( not that he wouldn’t have deserved whatever he got 😉 )
my opinion is that wilmon's relationship isn't like, those most healthy 100% ok beautiful relationship, but that isn't to say that it's bad or "toxic."
My point has always been that we should stop using the words "toxic", "healthy" etc. so freely, bc it makes them lose their meaning. Disagreeing with your s/o, fighting a bit with them (verbally) and other stuff Wilmon did in s1 doesn't mean their relationship was unhealthy. In psychology, we consider the four C’s - communication, caring, conflict resolution, and cultural differences. They communicated a lot and expressed their feelings many times in s1. The secret thing wasn't fair on Simon, but in the beginning he seemed ok with it bc he knew there wasn't really another option. After watching s2, I'd say their constant fights in the first half of the season and the shift in dynamics made their relationship unhealthy... but then to be fair there technically wasn't really a relationship at all since they were broken up so... by S2E6 they were back to a more healthy dynamic.
I think people use serious words, without assuming the implications of the meaning. Fortunately, it is not real people here at least. Toxic? I believe people are so use to "perfect" characters in shows that they are shocked to see characters with flaws, like in real life. I don't think the person has had serious relation, if they had they would know nothing is perfect, and it is natural to struggle. About the go / stop of the relation, viewers often point Wille stops. But actually there were 4 stops of the relation in the story, 2 from Wille, then 2 from Simon.... A certain equilibrium here. Simon being submissive. As you say, what would be the problem. And I believe in this story, Wille falls for him, because he is the only one who is not submissive. He admires his force and freedom of speech and action. As you say Simon is opened and patient, but know also how to say fuck off when needed. Yes the mother is frozen cold. The final hug was pure love, pain, and regrets from both parts. It is so obvious, how people don't see it. They broke up yes, but are far from enemies, who need ally to be "against" the other. You are right, the only side there is is this beautiful relation side, no question here for me. Life is not black and white. Simon just broke up with him. So it is would be just wrong to declare his feelings here. I wouldn't have understood sincerely. Nothing has changed since his decision. And Simon still care. He realizes how Christmas time will be painful for Wille, with his brother just dead, so he sends him this message of support for Christmas. Nobody see it? For Simon dad, I am not sure we will see more. I think it was helpful for us to understand Simon personality, and this relation was one who built him, so it was important to see it. The series theme is the weight of family inheritance, so that is one of them. I feel we will dig more on how Simon deals with all of it deeper. For Wille having to abdicate because he doesn't care about monarchy....I am not as sure as you. We have not the monarchic culture in France, and personally I don't give it a lot of credits. But I assume that a 17 years old rebellious kid decision is maybe not the final one. He has to wait and grow up a bit to know what life has in for him. It is not a small decision, and he should have the time to see it through. Not in 15 days decision, and as you said not for someone else either. And even if he wants to "update" monarchy values, while staying in it, they won't listen a teenager, he will have to wait a bit.
Justement, je pense pas que les gens soient habitués à des persos parfaits, au contraire. La télé et les films ont vendu des relations hyper toxiques pendant des années sans rien dire ou en justifiant tout par "l'amour" et malheureusement on en voit les dérives aujourd'hui. Ils voient Simon et Wilhelm confronter leurs opinions et soudainement ils associent "dispute" à relation toxique ce qui est hyper bête. Je trouve aussi un peu facile de dire que "leur relation n'était pas saine depuis le début puisqu'ils se cachaient" quand dans la vraie vie, la plupart des relations queers commencent de cette façon. En plus Simon n'était pas idiot, il se doutait depuis le début que si un truc devait se passer avec Wilhelm, ça serait pas le genre de relation affichée partout. Et c'est pas comme si Wilhelm prétendait ne pas être son pote. Leur relation c'était juste leur petit truc à eux. Je vois vraiment pas où est le mal perso. S'ils avaient continué après que Wilhelm ait démenti être dans la sextape par contre là ça aurait été différent. Mais bon... je mets les commentaires sur leur soi-disant toxicité sur le compte du jeune âge et du manque de réflexion du public... Car YR a été en grande partie regardée chez les jeunes ados et ça il ne faut pas l'oublier.
Oui la notion de toxicité est complètement déviée par ces shows irréalistes, c'est vrai. Je crois que je partais dans la même direction, mais dit maladroitement, en disant que oui les 2 personnages font des erreurs, et comme tu dis se disputent, et c'est complètement normal. Et que c'est aussi normal, quand on est ado encore plus, d'être perdus, de ne pas savoir ce qu'on veut, et d'avoir des contradictions. Et effectivement Wilhem ne l'a jamais vu comme un pote, style le bon pote gay. L'attirance a été très claire envers Simon depuis le départ, même s'il ne s'autorisait pas à agir dessus, il a nettement "pourchassé" Simon dès épisode 1. Se cacher, le sujet est vaste. Il y a le sujet queer pour sur, mais je pense surtout qu'il a été éduqué pour suivre un chemin très spécifique pour toute la vie, il y aune montagne de restrictions qu'il doit accepter à tout comportement. Et en sortir d'une manière ou d'une autre est inacceptable pour sa famille, et donc il ne peut vivre ce qu'il veut ouvertement. Pour en revenir à se cacher, je crois que la série appuie dessus, la vie privée / public d'une personne connue (ici un prince), ajoute une contrainte particulière à toute relation privée. J'ai dans l'idée que ces gens là doivent se cacher pour sauver un minimum d'intimité toute leur vie, car le monde estime qu'ils ont un droit sur ces gens là et que tous leurs actes doivent être explosés et justifiés. Juste mon feeling. Du coup, quelque soit le partenaire choisi, il doit être prêt à vivre cette vie cachée avec le prince, et c'est clair que c'est un sacrifice. Et là je parle juste des gens en général. Si je pense à la monarchie elle-même, il y a des chances que leurs valeurs restreignent encore plus la liberté pour lui de vivre une relation quelqu'elle soit, si elle déroge à produire une "lignée de sang royal".
Totalement d'accord ! (Enfin sauf pour la partie au début, je pense que Wilhelm a mis un moment pour comprendre que l'intérêt qu'il avait pour Simon allait au delà de l'amitié, mais c'est sûr que du moment qu'il l'avait accepté, il était clair et direct avec ses intentions.) C'est pour ça que les gens qui essayent de comparer la dynamique de leur relation à un classique push/pull qu'on a vu déjà un milliard de fois m'agace, car justement la situation n'est pas du tout comparable, et ce pour les points que tu as cités en fin de comm donc je ne vais pas me répéter là dessus mais vraiment, leur relation était saine dès le début car malgré l'empathie et la patience de Simon, on a pu voir que déjà en début d'ep3, il s'était choisi lui-même. Simon se respecte énormément et comprend la situation dans laquelle Wilhelm est tout en sous-estimant parfois à quel point Wilhelm est bloqué et malheureusement facilement impressionable et manipulable. Bref, leur relation était si rafraîchissante à voir ! Enfin des persos qui se posent, discutent, et essayent de voir le point de vue de l'autre. C'est le bare minimum mais la plupart des séries ne nous donne jamais ça mdr
Oui des personnes "qui s'écoutent". Cela semble évident car c'est effectivement la base d'une relation saine, quelqu'elle soit d'ailleurs, même si personne n'y arrive complétement c'est sûre aussi. Mais cette remarque est intéressante, car c'est en les observant qu'on s'aperçoit que cela manque cruellement à beaucoup de fictions. Tu sais à quoi j'ai vu aussi que les gens avaient une vison erronée de "jolies relations", c'est par les réactions/commentaires. C'est pas une critique vraiment, ça m"a juste surprise. A chaque fois qu'il y avat une interaction / une scène un peu atypique entre 2 personages, les gens ont le réflexe de tout de suite imaginer "la cruauté des personnages / de la situation" par défaut. De voir quelle est la pire manipulation qui peut être tirée de la situation. ¨pour moi, ce n'est pas naturel. Par exemple, "il va utiliser l'info pour le faire tomber" quand Wilhem se renseigne sur August. Oui il le remet à sa place quand il s'attaque à Simon, mais son réflexe est surtout de l'aider, de résoudre ses soucis financiers quand il l'apprend. Ou quand les gens sont surpris quand les filles se prennent dans les bras à l'arret de bus, car s'attendant en premier à un drame....Ou les personnes qui n'arrivent meme plus à apprécier des moments tels que le premier baiser qui est magnifique en émotion, car ils attendent avec impatience un drame quelquonque..... Je stoppe la. Juste pour dire que la vision des relations semble biaisée. Je trouve les relations, et la description de ces personnages est faite avec beaucoup d'empathie pour les personnages eux-même de la part de l'auteur, et effectivement entre les personnages, quelque soit leur personnalité. Quant on observe le comportement de Linda, Ayud, Felice, Rosh, Simon, Wilhem, Erik par exemple. Ils tendent la main à d'autres personnes de façon généreuse. Bon aucun n'est parfait bien entendu, ils savent aussi etre égoistes parfois. Mais quand même ils ont "un bon fond", ce sont des bonnes personnes, et ça fait du bien. Après les deux personnages principaux sont particulièrement empathiques. Je revois Sara le reprocher à Simon à la fin, ça me désolait.
Je pense aussi que les gens s'attendaient à mal car malheureusement c'est ça qu'on nous fait bouffer dans les séries depuis des années, juste pour faire du drama. C'est l'un des points qui m'a beaucoup fait aimer YR car les writers ont vraiment pris toutes les tropes clichées et ont creusé pour en sortir quelque chose d'autre et exploiter les storylines différement !
In the first tweet I feel like William was more struggling with internal homophobia because of how he was raised and the expectations the royal family put on him
What? Did I just hear you describe Simon as "the best human being to ever exist?" I'm gonna need some receipts. The guy lied to his mom, stole from his dad, forced another guy to sell drugs to other kids... yea, those actions can be explained, but hardly best-human-ever behavior.
@@lovemyshelf Wow, I was sincerely hoping I misunderstood your comment. Perhaps it was meant in a limited context, or that it had been referencing something in another video. Recklessly endangering children's health is more than a simple mistake; its criminal conduct in just about every society since the beginning of recorded history. That's hardly just on me. These are controlled substances for a very good reason. Drug abuse can be deadly or cause lasting damage, especiay in young brains that have yet to finish growing. And Simon selfishly risks harming/killing others for what? Private tutoring lessons? I shall bother you no more.
@@H1ST0RYWriter Ok and those kids are old enough to know about the risks and deal with the consequences. I understand your point and I'm not saying you're wrong but you're acting like those "kids" are like 14 or younger. They're all 16 or older though and learned about the risks of taking drugs without them specifically being prescribed to them. I knew of the risks when I was younger and never did any drug. So sorry, in my eyes it's definitely something that Simon should have thought more about, and if something had happened he should have been held responsible just like the others, but it doesn't make him a bad person in my book.
@@lovemyshelf 1) From a comment made by Willhelm's elder brother, the audience learns that August has essentially been at the school his whole childhood. To me, this suggests younger students are present; we just don't see them because the classes are segregated by age. Given August's many faults, it's very difficult for me to just assume he would not sell to younger students. In hindsight, I can see potentially that the elder prince's comment may have a different contextual meaning in it's native Sweedish. 2) My response to you was not based on whether Simon was a good or bad person. I would agree that Simon is mostly good. I absolutely disagree with your very extreme claim that Simon is "the best human being to ever exist." 3) I'm aware that negative comments on social media can have a damaging impact on content creators such as yourself. Please know that I'm just stating my opinion about the show & your reaction to it. I'm not trying to attack, belittle, or bully you personally in any manner; and if my comments have suggested otherwise, I do apologize. Truly, that was never my intent.
@@H1ST0RYWriter Perhaps I'm remembering the dialogue wrong but I don't think Hillerska works like that. There are 3 degrees as most schools in Europe when it comes to prepare students to go to University. So, I don't think there are younger students. What Erik said was that this school was August's whole life bc he probably built his reputation year after year and doesn't seem to have a life out of his school results and stuff (could be wrong about that tho but i don't think i am). Also no worries, I did not feel attacked personally or bullied, I am not a child lmao I understand you were trying to make a point, I was just defending my perspective on the matter. (Also, of course Simon is not the best human being ever, I was merely exagerating in the video. But in my eyes, he was at the time one of the characters with the best morals I had seen before on T.V especially considering he's a teenager.)
i think ppl think their relationship is toxic bc of simon's stance towards the monarchy. since the first episode its clear that he doesnt 'like them' or whatever and this was the main obstacle in their relationship - basically every argument boiled down to the fact that simon disagreed with the monarchy and didnt want to protect it. he loves wilhelm, and if he wasnt a prince they would be together 100%, but its just something thats always gonna cause like fights and disagreements bc wilhelm has a duty to his country and cant give that up (and simon kinda wants him to) ALSO HOW IS FELICES AND SARAS FRIENDSHIP TOXIC
If only 😭 From what I've seen going around sadly this isn't the reason but what you said is really true... I still wouldn't use the word toxic, but their relationship definitely doesn't have a future if they both don't change their views on some stuff (or change the world 👀 bc simon doesn't like the monarchy as it is now but if wilhelm manages to make a difference...) About Felice and Sara... I know right??? 😭 I really think people just throw around big words nowdays without really understanding what they mean :/
It makes me cry that people are throwing the word “ toxic “ around to describe their relationship. They obviously don’t see the show the way they should. Wilhelm and Simon are hands down one of the healthiest and most realistic couples on tv. They communicate their thoughts and feelings and don’t just kiss to make up for arguments or stuff like that. It is very obvious that they both love eachother deeply and most obstacles if not all of them in their relationship aren’t caused by Wilhelm or Simon. It’s is or the system or monarchy or whatever. People get these things really twisted and it honestly pains me, because this show is so good per representation and just everything! I very much agree with what you said
This comment is everything omg y e s!!!
100% agree - the communication between them was my favourite part of the show. whever something happened, they didn't push each other away they just talked and that was so powerful. Like the locker room scene at the end was originally written to be another 'intimate' scene but when it came to filming, they realised that that actually wasn't what the two of them needed in that moment. Honestly they're so mature for their age and I loved seeing such a healthy couple on screen
Agree with you!!! Lately people like to label things as toxic without even trying to observe more. I read somewhere that Ayub and Rosh are toxic friends to Simon just because they are angry at him for attacking August. 🙄
@@joewu294 yes, it makes absolutely no sense ! People don’t realize what toxic actually means
Which makes me think that they will eventually end up together and be boyfriends for a long time. They might get married at the end or might not. But their relationship dynamic is so healthy, god I love the healthy communication thing between couples.
simon and wilhelms relationship was more healthy than most adults. there was love, understanding and communication. society not allowing their relationship doesn't mean its an unhealthy one
THIS!!!
So true! ❤️
I definitely agree that Wilhelm’s love language is touch and it’s very clear to see. But I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else discuss what Simon’s is. I think you are right about the words of affirmation. So, in that case, the ending is actually perfect. Wilhelm tells Simon that he loves him and Simon hugs him back. Each communicating in the love language of the other.
Omg you blew my mind a little I hadn't actually stopped and looked at the finale scene while having their love languages in mind I- brb I'm crying 😭
It seems Quality Time is Simon's love language. Look at when he seems happiest: when friends are around, when family is enjoying each other at dinner, when playing the piano together. He seems miserable when eating by himself or feeling abandoned.
@@georgeweatherford1027 I was actually considering quality time as one of his main three so that totally adds up!
That’s so thoughtfull and yes i think so too, with both the explaination comments above this one.
wilhelm’s need for physical touch gets me so bad, i mean it makes sense because he deals with so much chaos and anxiety and pain and it seemed like no one cared. you can tell he didn’t get as much attention or affection because he was second in line. when he fidgets and bites his nails his parents would just smack his hand away (that shit HURTED) and even with erik (love erik) he physically didn’t want to let go. the scene in episode 6 after the video got posted where he hugs himself makes me want to cry. he just wants to be held and comforted. and i love that simon is okay with giving him that. he WANTS to give him that. people can cry toxicity because we don’t see wilhelm giving simon the same treatment as much but part of being in a relationship is listening to your partner and their needs in a hard situation. wilhelm spent a lot of the show hurting, and simon did what would make him feel better. and wilhelm did the same thing, just in a different way. simon likes words, just like you said. he likes the compliments and in the locker room scene + the bedroom scene where wille is laying in his lap, wilhelm comforts him with words. he tells him that he wants to be with him and that they’re doing this together. and that’s what simon wanted. they balance each other. physical touch isnt the only way to show love.
god imagine calling literally THE least toxic relationship netflix has ever given us toxic BECAUSE ITS NOT TOXIC
If I could marry a comment it would be this one. YES! Thank you for this 🙌🏻❤
@@lovemyshelf you’re so welcome, this show has so much depth i could go on and on forever about it- that’s why i’ve been binge watching videos like yours i love discourse and analyzation of characters and plots, it’s my favorite thing ever!
i feel like some people who watch young royals don’t look at the depth of the situation and they just want simon and wilhelm to be together and that’s it. People are looking for unrealistic happy endings (which i am too ofc) but fail to realize that these are teenagers and one of them is a prince
Agreed. I'm so glad that the "Happily Ever After" wasn't tacked onto the final episode of this season, because it wouldn't have made any sense and if the show comes back for another season, then where could the writers go in regards to storyline development for Wilheim, Simon, and their pairing?! Something bad would have to happen for the drama and then folks would have bitched about "unnecessary drama"!
@@VixenByNight72 YES i knew from the beginning that they would end because simons out and doesn't want to be anyone secret. if they were to end up having a secret relationship it would not have been right or fair to simon, he had so much courage to be out and proudly out it would not have been fair to shove him back into the closet. I do hope they end up together but only under circumstances where simon doesn't have to hide it wouldn't be right.
I think the reason i wouldn't call their relationship toxic is because Wilhelm's reasons for the push and pull and denying that it was him in the video at the end was NOT for himself. It wasn't to save his reputation or because he cares what people think about him being gay unlike many other characters in other shows in his situation. Wille has NO internalized homophobia. The only reason he hesitates and want to hide is out of a sense of duty. Because he is taught that family comes first. I don't think Wille is so cowardly that he couldn't take the heat or stares or comments he would get because of being with Simon, after all he still talked to him often at school even when Simon is openly gay. Clearly he craves Simon so much that I think he'd be okay with putting up with people's shit. He hesitated and wanted to hide to protect his family, to protect the crown, not himself. Which is why Queen Kristina's betrayal in the end hurt more than anything. Because he gave up the thing he wanted more than anything to protect her and she couldn't even tell him August did it. But in the end I completely agree with all of Simon's decisions. He is very mature with his rationale and they actually have a very mature relationship where they communicate and care deeply for each other.
100% agree with you! The writing in this show is amazing, especially when it comes to those two and how they navigate their problems! You can understand both of them, and they both manage to understand each other which is so refreshing to see on T.V!
I do question whether or not he has internalized homophobia, because Lisa herself said Wille's problem is not his sexuality but his duty as a crown prince.
@@joewu294 Then you have your answer! It wasn't internalized homophobia but him coming to terms with the fact that he was feeling things for a boy (for the first time) while knowing that this wasn't what the monarchy had planned for him ^^
@GünniB not only has he stopped caring about what his schoolmates think but as one of the kids discussing the video after the leak said, they know what the bedrooms look like and everyone at hillerska could recognize it was wilhelm's.
he doesn't have any reason left to just be bro-y with simon in public on school grounds since there's not one kid left who doesn't know they did the do, might as well let them know it's time to get used to it by way of also letting simon know he's already started thinking and sorting his shit out because no teenage boys who are just friends hug like that lmao (someone timed it and it lasted almost 30 seconds, even i, as a woman who is kinda touchy feely, never hugged a ~friend~ for this long except maybe before or after not seeing each other for at least months, but definitely not when leaving school like two weeks for the holidays break xD)
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Yessss to everything you said to address their relationship being “toxic”!! The environment/situation is toxic, not their relationship. I thought the way they always had such open and straightforward communicated (even when they’re fighting) was so refreshing, for a teen show especially!!
Also on the tweet about Linda, I saw a clip of Lisa Ambjörn talking about how Linda isn’t a perfect mother, because she has a tendency to be too passive in her parenting. She specifically referenced how Linda lets Simon deal with Sara’s outburst in episode 6, and how she doesn’t really do anything to intervene when their dad shows up at Lucia even though Simon and Sara are both clearly uncomfortable. I still think Linda is a great mother in how supportive, warm, and gentle she is with her kids, and she’s so strong for getting them out of a hard situation with their father - to be honest I think the fact that she has some flaws as a parent only makes her a more interesting character! Especially when comparing Linda who is warm and supportive but more passive to the Queen, who is cold and distant but assertive (although I despise the Queen and love Linda lmao)
Yup! Some people told me about the Linda thing and it is really true, I just never stopped and thought about it before... Also everything you said in the beginning is 👌🏻
Also, great to see that young royals also takes over your entire life, bc same
ugh me too hahah
I have watched it 6 times already it’s concerning
First of all you look so GOOD !!! As always I agree with everything you said (but you know that). Now here's some of my hot takes.
1. Simon not saying "I love you" back was not that big of a deal. As you mentionned, love can be shown/expressed in so many differents ways and Simon's actions spoke for himself throughout all of the show. People have just been used to seeing love being reduced as those three words .
2. Realistically speaking, this was the best ending we could have for both of them. In fact, I don't even view this as a "sad ending".
3. Despite being one of the most beautiful scenes ever, the football field scene was NOT romantic. Even if Wilhelm's words were beautiful, the confession was not "cute". We're talking about a mourning teenager under alcohol & drugs influence in the middle of the night. The situation must has been extremely scary & stressful for Simon and this scene should never be romantized.
4. People tend to underestimate Simon's issues and only focus on Wilhelm's struggles. If you pay a bit more attention to the show, you can see that Simon also has a lot going on in his life.
5. This one is more lighthearted but my boy Simon had every right to beat the shit out of August in that scene, I was cheering for him the whole time......... (I understand his friends' reactions tho)
I do agree, and number 3, oh, agree, agree!
@@mattallen369 Haha thank you !!
To add onto your point nr. 2: I don't just think it wasn't a sad ending, I actually see it as a _hopeful_ ending. We were reassured of how much they actually love each other despite not being "together" at the moment, and we saw Wilhelm be completely disillusioned (and betrayed) by his family (the look he gives us at the very end suggests he might be done with trying to please his mom and choosing duty over his own desires). That just gets me hopeful and excited for what's to come.
@@TheCrazyFreak Exactly, the ending was so full of hope and Wilhelm's look at the end clearly tells us that "it's not the end".
Beautiful football scene, heck yes. I don't know why people would romanticise it though? It is close to reality whereby watching that scene reminded me of myself once. Sometimes it takes 'substances' to finally admit how u really feel. I had to get drunk to confess my feelings for my volleyball teammate. Had a few drinks with some friends who were there to support me emotionally haha. Told the guy I liked him and asked if he was into guys and he responded with "sorry but I don't". I cried on the bathroom floor for a min then went back to my friends that comforted me. Went back to volleyball training the next day expecting things to get awkward but it didn't. I was the team captain so he can't really be mean to me but I do think he was a genuinely nice guy.
I loved what you said about Simon loving Wille as much as Wille loves Simon. I really saw that in the scenes you mentioned, plus the fish naming scene. When Wille puts his arms around Simon and he rubs Wille's arms, the look on his face shows he's fallen hard. And then, after Wille kisses his neck, Simon hesitates for a moment and then moves his head back to nuzzle his face against Wille's. That's where he's conscious of the love he feels, I think, and allows himself to fully give into it.
And I love right after when Wille strokes Simon's hair (it was great you used that scene in the edit you did) because that is Wille showing so much care and love. Ahhhh...Now I want to go rewatch that scene again. Thank god for Netflix's 7 best favorite scenes video - I've watched that more times than I care to admit, particularly the first three (ending in the last hug).
yes!!! i love the way they depicted their attraction to each other in the show and their love. as an ace person it was so refreshing to see and i was able to connect even more to them and the story bc of it. it was really different from what we usually see on t.v!
@@lovemyshelf Can I ask how and when you knew to identify as ace? Are there any resources you would recommend for someone who's questioning?
My unpopular opinion is this:
I don't think Erik is as great of a person as the fandom hypes him up to be. I do think his relationship with Wille is sweet and bless him for being the only person in their family who actually gives Wille the affection he wants/deserves (he actually hugs him, which is more than can be said for their parents) and I'm geateful Wille had at least one person in his family he could be open and completely himself with. But people tend to ignore the fact that Erik was just as monarchy-focused and duty-driven as the rest of their family. We not only hear this from other characters (August and the other guys in their little club have mentioned multiple times before that he was very into his role as the crown prince) but he himself has berated Wilhelm before for being "selfish" because Wille didn't want to do what the monarchy said. He wanted Wille to fall in line multiple times. This is why I believe had he been alive when the video went viral, there's a big chance he would have wanted Wilhelm to deny it was him in the video just like the Queen did. He would have been more understanding and gentle with Wille, I think, but I believe he would have ultimately chosen duty/the monarchy. Though honestly, the biggest thing that bothered me from the start was the fact that he laughed along with August's gross comment about getting with girls when they're still too insecure to object. I feel like when he was at school, he was a bit like the rest of those Society guys.
I think I agree with you and sadly Erik is the perfect exemple of someone who folds himself in what people desire out of him. I don't think he was laughing along with August bc he thought it was funny but because he knew he "needed to laugh". What he says to Wille in ep3 suggests that he's used to pretend to be someone else, which is truly sad. At least, a part of me think that even if he would probably have pushed Wille to deny it was him in the end too, I think he would have supported Wilhelm still. He did use gender neutral pronouns after all during ep3 while talking about Wille's crush, which gives me hope 😔
@@lovemyshelf Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head. I just finished listening to Ivar's interview on the Permanent Rain channel and he also believes Erik had two personas, so to say. One was his public persona (the polite and proper crown prince who is nice to people and mingles with other aristocrats) and the other his private one (like how he is with Wille when they're alone). So it's very possible that it's just him "fitting in" with August and his crowd, not what he actually believes. I also agree with you that he would have supported Wille in his relationship (and liked Simon as a person), it's just that his sense of duty to the monarchy would have played a part as well. :/
I am fascinated by Erik's character because of the two sides he has! We see so little of him in the show so there's lots of room for Interpretation and fanfic. I don't think he "laughed along" with August's comment because he agreed with it but he laughed because he thought it was ridiculous. Of course the ideal way of dealing with this would be to confront August about his mysoginistic opinions...
@@leosax6962 I agree! And I think they might explore the concept of having 2 personas with Wilhelm in s2... At least that's what I would do as a writer ajshwxihwen
@@leosax6962 It didn't look like a "this is ridiculous" kind of laugh to me, but either a "lol, I agree" or an "I'm gonna laugh to fit in with you." There's a big chance it was the latter. I agree with you about the rest of what you said. Btw, I still like Erik despite some of these flaws he has.
i’m back to run my mouth some more because i think wayyy too much about this show
i seriously love wilhelm so much, i just want to give the poor boy a hug. i see him in any scene and my heart just melts immediately. this poor fucking kid is SIXTEEN having panic attacks every other day over pure fear of himself and his future. in the beginning they make him seem like a delinquent who’s violent and rude and spoiled, because that’s what his family treats him like, but then you see him at school and he’s just- not. he’s sweet and kind and polite and an absolute gentleman. you learn that he’s not violent, he’s hurting and he has 0 outlets for it. hell even when he gets high off his ass to cope he still ends up laying in the grass having a mental breakdown because he feels like he has nothing- everything is fake.
his situation is just so fucked up. his life is fucked up. it breaks my heart. after erik died he really felt like he had no one other than simon. and it got even sadder because when he came back to school after erik passed and especially the video got leaked i think he started to feel like he had august too. when the video came out he felt like his mother actually cared and was really just trying to do what was best for his life (i think he caved because she brought up how much worse the attention and pressure would get and how much he hates it as is). and then both of them betrayed him. wilhelm realized during that phone call that his mother doesn’t actually care about him. sure she loves him but she chose to protect august and the family’s ‘legacy’ over her son and that’s not fair to wille no matter how you look at it. you can feel the dread building from the phone call to the final goodbye scene. wilhelm realizes he denied the video and lost simon for a monarchy that doesn’t give a shit about him or his happiness. and i think in return, he’s not going to give a shit about the monarchy.
maybe i’m hoping for too much but when he looks into the camera you can feel the anger radiating off of him. it’s a change from the pure sadness and regret in the scenes before. (PHENOMENAL acting from edvin btw holy fuck) they made it so it said ‘revolution’ right when he broke the 4th wall and gave that look of anger. i don’t think he’s gonna do anything super crazy in season 2 but i feel like he’s done protecting the monarchy because they refused to protect him when he needed it most.
also i hope we get to see some development with wilhelm’s clear anxiety issues in season 2. shits about the hit the fan and i’m curious with how he’s going to cope with it. edvin is INCREDIBLE and i think he’d do a great job showing wilhelm’s management of his panic attacks in the future
overall i think the ending is the absolute best we could’ve gotten because it actually sets up so much for season 2. if it ended happily no one would be so on edge wanting to know what’s going to happen, better chances for a renewal!!
I'm gonna need you to tell me you have a twitter... PLS TELL ME YOU HAVE A TWITTER BESTIE BC I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID AND I NEED MORE SMART PEOPLE IN MY TIMELINE 😭
LOL the clip of Omar saying "I love being cute" is, quite fittingly, so cute😍
He's adorable and I want to keep him in my pocket 😔
can i ask for a timestamp pls lol
People who throw out "toxic relationships" easily probably have never been in one and has a very TOXIC view of what a relationship is. No relationship is perfect and they will soon realise that (if they're lucky). That doesn't make it toxic.
i love wilmons relationship, it was so real. they had a good comunication and didint just trust what everybody said instead they asked eachother if it was true, for example when agust said that it was simon that gave them drugs, wilhelm went to simon and asked him about it instead of just asuming something
exactly! i really liked that they actually talked like real people in this show! and they always tried to hear each other out which i feel is really important!
I agree with you in almost every opinion! Words of affirmation being Simon’s love language is beautiful, especially in ep 6 when he says to Wille the same words that his mom says to him (smth like “you’re strong, you can do this”), i found that to be very endearing and a proof of how much of a good influence Linda is to Simon. She is not perfect, but she is a good mom.
Also, people taking sides… it doesn’t make sense for me. Both have their reasons to act a certain way and I understand them even if that means the relationship has to be on hold for some time. I think is bc we’re so used to seeing that in shows, where thr story leads to that, but here??? I ship them from second 1 of them smiling to each other and i am unable to pick a side.
I could go on and on about this for hours so really: Thanks for the video! The fact that your channel is full of yr content after your initial reaction videos is the best thing. I’m glad to see that i am not the only one who can’t stop thinking about it. If I had a channel, I would do the same haha
First of all, thank you for your comment! YR definitely had a huge impact on me and since I tend to get obssessed with stuff I like... I think it's safe to say the YR content will keep on coming lmao
I agree with everything you said btw! What really struck me while I was watching was how well the story was told. You could see the perspective of both characters and empathise with them, and I liked seeing an actually healty relationship on screen. They fought, yes, but they talked and tried to understand each other and I think it's really beautiful, especially considering how young they are. Of course they need to grow as people still, but they're already so mature and emotionally intelligent! Love that for us!
simon was very straight forward and circumstances matter so the relationship was pretty good considering their circumstances
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too!
Even though I don’t think that the relationship was toxic, Simon’s heart was broken by Wille at least 3 times through no fault of his own. I understand where Wilhelm was coming from, but Simon didn’t deserve it. Also, Wilhelm has a lot of maturing to do, since he doesn’t seem to look at things from Simon’s perspective much, and that could be because he has been the center of attention his entire life and has never had to so far. But I do think he is good at his core and will change for the better with each time he is challenged. However, I did think it was unfortunate that Simon never confided to Wilhelm about any of his problems - the money issue, August, his dad. Not sure if he has always felt like he has to solve his own problems or if he thought Wilhelm already had so much to deal with. It’s sad that he couldn’t have that support even though he was always there for Wilhelm.
Regarding Linda - I thought she was really sweet and obviously loved her kids. But the writer herself said in her Instagram live that Linda is problematic because she relies on Simon too much to take care of things and that is unfair to him. And that she is too passive, especially when the dad showed up. She could see how Sara was affected but she didn’t do or say anything. It may be understandable based on everything she has had to deal with but it doesn’t make it right.
Yeah I understand the part about Linda, and I wasn't looking at it in that way before but it's true! Totally agree with the rest of your comment too!
I think it's interesting to see that even though homophobia isn't a big 'issue' in the show, they're still having to deal with internalised homophobia and getting used to being a gay couple (mlm) in a world where it is still new. I think that Simon just takes it very maturely and gives Wilhelm a lot of patience which is very dependant on personality rather than any sort of toxicity.
@@kiki7475 Yes. I’m not sure if it’s internalized homophobia necessarily. Maybe a little bit. Wilhelm is very young and this may have been the first time he’s acknowledged a same-sex attraction, so it may just be him understanding and coming to terms with it. And Simon is clearly very empathetic but is definitely not a doormat. Every time he actually needs to, he does stand up for himself.
see, i think you should be connecting the two parts of your comment.
the fact that simon doesn't really talk about his own issues with wilhelm could very possibly stem from his mother a little bit too passive and letting her son handle her shortcomings. he's used to being relied on and that might make him feel like he can't be the one asking for help so he'll try to solve his own shit alone and not realize that one person can both need and provide help for different things at the same time.
we're also clearly shown that wilhelm is one such person when he's dealing with whatever his teenager bean brain is doing to him but also makes time to call home after hearing august is broke and try to help him out (even though he's mad at him and is ready to expose him to his buddies but well... bean brain)
For me there are two coins of every situation. And im trying to see it from multiple perspectives. First simon didnt deserve this push and pull bc of that it made simon very confused very often. All he wanted was love and he really tried to make wilhelm as safe and comfortable as he could and then ended up getting his heart broken.
Wilhelm on the other hand i feel like is very misunderstood and a lot of young royal fans blame him way too much. We have to understand what kind of position he's in and that its not just easy to come out and live a same sex relationship, especially when ur a crown prince. Hes also what 16? The amount of pressure he's in is probably more painful for him that anyone realize and he really just want to please everyone and doing whats best so everyone is happy but its an impossible situation for him. I just think everyone can be a little more understanding.
They are both in love with eachother and I think it shows very well in the show. Im actually glad it didnt end on happy terms bc life is a struggle and it makes you want them together so much more. I hope season 2 is gonna give us more drama, I mean we cant forget they are teenagers and are allowed to make mistakes and fuck up, thats a part of growing and learning ❤❤❤
With the first fight with Wilhelm and Simon regarding the drugs... the things that Wilhelm said or the way he approached the situation was not the best... but... Simon DID make mistakes himself, he stole those and gave them to August... with a different intention but... they are still drugs that are still somehow illegal to trade like that no matter how good of a person he is... I understand why he did it and all but he got involved in things he shouldn't just as much as Wilhelm...
This was fun! I actually agree with you on most of the stuff you said. One thing I was thinking of is Linda, yes she is supportive, and loving and obviously wants the best for her children, however, she is also a bit passive as a parent. She let's Simon deal with Sara a lot and the way she just stood there and said nothing when Micke, the dad, showed up at Lucia. She shouldn't have let her kids handel it. So I'm not saying she is a bad mother, just that she isn't perfect. But then, ho is?
Also, you look amazing in that makeup 👌
I didn't think about it this way before but you're right! It's true that she's shown a pretty passive behaviour in some situations! :O Thank you for the compliment 🥰
At 19:48, I can somewhat agree with/understand the "Linda is not that good of a parent." I would have disagreed but I recently watched Lisa Ambjörns instagram live where she actually brings this up. You should go watch it, but in short terms she was saying that she understands why people admire and praise Linda, but in reality she isn't that good of a parent in the sense that she doesn't take action when Sara lashes out, or when their father shows up unannounced. She has good intentions but she is too passive at times.
Edit: Oop I just saw people already commented this. Oh well :D
I am in full agreement with ninety percent of everything you have said here, which is a relief because it means that I do not have to write an excessively long comment other than to say congratulations and well done. Your insights and observations are spot on and I particularly appreciated your taking the time to debunk the all too often use of the word 'toxic' and that you took the time to go over the actual definition of what a toxic relationship actually consists of. Very well done.
However...I am slightly taken aback by your final comments regarding the supposed 'obvious' nature of certain characteristics of a person's conduct whilst in a relationship. I am happy for you that you had the 'maturity' to be so perfect in your first relationship. I am inclined to question why it would only have been your first one, however and not your now and forever relationship if you were really that perfect, however, as it takes two to make a relationship succeed or fail. I have to wonder at your own participation in the failure of that relationship, because in truth, no one is perfect.
Your characterisation of Simon is somewhat rather idealised in fact. People seem to gloss over the fact that he stole all of his father's medications, (medications which were prescribed for him and which he needed to function by the way!) all so that he could get the money back that August owed him. That was incredibly selfish on his part. He also refused to take responsibility for those actions in any way, even refusing to thank Wilhelm when he was able to get him completely off the hook, which, frankly, he didn't really deserve. What he did was illegal and it was cruel and thoughtless to his father. And he was never called to account for his actions and indeed felt entitled to not be called into account for them. It was the Prince who 'fucked up', not him as far as he was concerned. He brought the drugs on campus but was perfectly content with others taking responsibility for what happened afterward. He wasn't perfect by a long shot.
My last observation on that note would be to say that many of the traits that he demonstrated throughout his relationship with Wilhelm were not only laudable but incredibly mature as you have said. But he was fortunate enough to have the solid foundational support and unconditional love from his family and friends growing up which allowed him to develop in a way which gave him the emotional fortitude to act the way he did. Not everyone has that. Many people do need to go through several relationships in order to learn how to communicate better, or even learn to be there for someone else rather than seeing themselves as the centre of the relationship. Many people go through a process of learning all of these characteristics that you seem to think are obvious. They are not obvious to everyone. I came from a family which does not communicate and does not demonstrate outward affection very well and I have had to learn these things over time because I was not exposed to them growing up and so they never occurred to me until I made some disastrous mistakes in my early relationships and had to learn from them. So as I said before, bully for you that these things came naturally for you. But don't be so dismissive of those for whom it does not come naturally. Often it has nothing to do with maturity, but rather simply becomes a matter of unlearning old patterns of behaviour and learning new ones. And that is a process we all go through for the rest of our lives, no matter how old or mature we are.
Hi!
First of all, without going into too much details, my first relationship ended simply bc 1. I wasn't in love 2. She wasn't out to her parents and the whole thing was starting to weight on her and since we weren't together for that long and I didn't want to push her into coming out. We ended things. For that and other reasons.
I wholehearteadly agree with the second part of your comment but the tweet I was talking about was basically just saying "omg simon must have been into another relationship before bc he showed so much respect for wilhelm and handled things so well" and like I said... I thought the given exemples as to why the person was saying that weren't... good enough? for a lack of better words? I think Simon was able to be so mature bc of the environement he grew up in and bc of his really empathetic nature. Not bc he was in a relationship before that. (Of course you can learn to communicate better and stuff if you've been into relationships before and like... grow as a person but idk... what the person was saying in their tweet felt like a reach to me, that's all.)
Oh and I totally agree that Simon wasn't perfect and also deserved to be punished for the whole drugs thing but I didn't talk about it there bc it wasn't relevant at all to what I was saying. Hope you see what I mean? And that might be my personal take on this and view of Simon's character, but I don't think he was expecting not to face the consequences. Wilhelm presented things in a way that made it obvious that the boys who actually took the drugs were trying their best to save their asses and put the blame on somebody else. I think that's what annoyed Simon. I said it in my reaction but the right thing to do ethically speaking would have been to tell the truth so all of them could face the consequences but obviously they couldn't. (Not blaming Wilhelm here, I understand his reasoning but he only gave 2 options to Simon and he and his "friends" were safe in both of them, which takes us to the issue of privillege that was really prevalent in the show and something that really impacted Simon, early on since he doesn't have it.)
@@lovemyshelf Hi!
Thank you for your reply. You make excellent points yet again! I was not altogether clear in elucidating the point I was trying to make, but basically I think that I was confused as to your reaction to that tweet and as to what appeared to me to be the somewhat glib way with which it seemed you had addressed it. I felt that my own experience in having to go through several relationships in order to reach the level where I am relationship-wise was somehow being demeaned and invalidated to some extent by your expressed opinion that such behaviour should be obvious and should not have to come from experience. I'm still not sure why that tweet bothered you so much. But I think I understand better now your perspective, however, and I appreciate your clarification. I am impressed with your incredible insights. I also did some reading up on something you mentioned about Love Languages. I had never heard of this before you mentioned it, but now, thanks to you, I will begin reading Dr. Chapman's book The 5 Love Languages in order to learn more about it. That is thanks to you! All the best!
J'ai vu que tu parlais français du coup je me permets de répondre comme ça mdr Je comprends totalement que ce que j'ai dit ait pu te blesser vis à vis de ton expérience personelle et je m'excuse pour ça ! Après j'adore Simon, son personnage et sa relation avec Wilhelm, mais je maintiens quand même que la manière dont il a géré le tout c'est genre le bare minimum de ce que les gens devraient s'attendre à avoir dans une relation et c'est le point que je voulais appuyer. La télévision et les films ont fait tellement de mal en nous montrant des relations qui n'étaient pas saines et souvent si toxiques et destructives que j'avais l'impression qu'une partie des gens qui étaient genuinely shook de la patience de Simon et de son empathie ne se rendaient pas compte que c'est le minimum à exiger dans une relation en fait. Après, bien sûr il y a des situations particulières et des circonstances particulières qui font que des gens ne pourront pas offrir ça et ça fait pas forcément d'eux de mauvaises personnes mais voilà, en tant qu'êtres humains, on mérite tous d'être écoutés et soutenus dans une relation et pas rushed. C'est ce que je voulais dire. Du coup je sais pas si c'est plus clair comme ça ou pas :O Trop contente de t'avoir fait découvrir les love languages ! C'est un outil hyper utile pour naviguer les relations humaines !
@@lovemyshelf Pendant plus d'une décennie, il y a eu une série intitulée "Shameless" aux États-Unis. Il y a un personnage qui menace de mettre fin à leur relation s'il n'annonce pas immédiatement sa sexualité à toute sa famille, tous réunis pour une fête, y compris son père violent et homophobe, qui avait déjà menacé de tuer son propre fils parce qu'il est gay. J'ai trouvé cela répréhensible et j'ai presque complètement arrêté de regarder la série à cause de mon dégoût. La gestion par Simon de la situation particulière de Wilhelm et sa volonté de l'accepter et de ne pas essayer de faire pression sur Wilhelm de quelque manière que ce soit était l'une de mes choses préférées à propos de Simon. Sa réticence à permettre à Wilhelm de le reléguer au statut de ce qui, dans mon esprit, n'était pratiquement plus qu'une concubine était admirable et exemplaire également. Il y a trop de gens dans ce monde qui, par peur d'être seuls, ou en raison d'un certain sens erroné de ce qu'ils croient que l'amour comprend, sont prêts à compromettre leur propre valeur et leur propre respect en acceptant de se placer dans une situation qui n'est pas idéal pour eux-mêmes, simplement pour maintenir la relation. C'est ce qui, je crois, peut potentiellement conduire à la toxicité dans une relation à laquelle il a été fait référence précédemment. Les actions de Simon à cet égard ont été exemplaires à tous égards, et j'espère sincèrement que cette scène en particulier servira à aider d'autres personnes dans des circonstances similaires à prendre de meilleures décisions à cet égard.
@@Genevois1205 Tu as juste tout dit ! La seule raison qui m'a fait avaler cette storyline pour Shameless est le fait que la série en elle-même se veut problématique et toutes les relations/personnages sont vraiment complexes et toxiques mais clairement, j'espère ne plus jamais voir ça en 2021 !
This reminds me of why your YR reaction vids are some of the best out there! I always appreciate your nuanced perspective and emotional maturity about the characters, their behavior, and their choices (or lack of same...)
Oooh wow thank you! This is a huge compliment! 😳
@@lovemyshelf and I so appreciate that you are as obsessed with this show as I am! 😝
I agree to what you say to 100%, really do, but for one thing…:
I don’t think Wilhelm should abdicate. And no it would not be out of character, it would be very much in character if Wilhelm would change the role of Crown Prince/king to be to something he CAN stand for, something he CAN support. Wilhelm is the person he wants to be only when he is together with Simon. Together with Simon Wilhelm has the strength to fight the pressure from media and the people and the queen, the strength to change the role he has a duty to accept. His mother will remain queen till she dies, so Wilhelm will be quite old when he becomes king… they will have plenty of time to fix the heir issues. 😉
and … I simply love your reactions and your thoughts. Keep going! 😍
I actually had a conversation with a friend recently and as realistic as YR is trying to be, I wonder if the writers are going for "the monarchy needs to change and evolve in 2021, there are other alternatives" with the whole story :O I wanted Wilhelm to abdicate bc I didn't want to see him in that golden cage, but if he manages to make things change and like you said, make his role to be something he can stand for and believe in, I think it would be amazing to see! I was too pessimistic before and thought the monarchy would never change but since this is fiction... 👀 Also thank you for your kind words! I'm glad you enjoy my content! 🥺
@@lovemyshelf The irl queen of Sweden (Silvia, queen bc she’s married to the irl king) said in an interview, (like 15 years ago, don’t remember exactly), when she got the unprepared question what the royal family would do if someone (child) came out as gay, (don’t think the interviewer user “LBTQ”…) , anyways, she went silent for two seconds, then said they had never had the need to discuss this, but for her the most important thing was that the child was happy, anything else, like an heir and all laws, was something that could be changed, fixed, if only the child was happy. That sentence hit me hard bc I had never had that support, that the child’s happiness was the only important subject … so I remembered the interview (still do) and sometimes think of it to warm my heart. 😊
So, what I mean is, the royal family irl have done a major job changing the monarchy’s appearance/expectations already. So I don’t think it would be impossible for Wilhelm to change it a little bit more … 😃
Omg this is so good to hear (well read, but you know lmao). It makes me really happy and hopeful for the future! This is truly wonderful, thank you for telling us 🥺
Just basically commenting to say I agree with all your points, and your make-up is amazing 💖
Thank you 🥺💞
Something I want to add in regards to Sara is that people with Asperger's and autism in general often tend to have a very strong black and white view of the world, and sometimes that manifests in a skewed sense of justice, wherein they 'punish' the person that wronged them. That's at least what I see with my little brother and I think that might be a little bit part of her decision
Totally! That's part of why I understood her actions. I just hope that she'll be able to come around in s2 and actually be there for Simon 🥺
@@lovemyshelf agreed
It would not feel real if simon had said it back and i love for him to stand up for him self and not just "forgive" every thing because wilhelm said it, it must have been so hard for simon not to say it back
I loved this so much!!!! I am so happy that you broke down their relationship and explained how it isn't toxic and they were doing what was working for them. Simon is definitely not submissive or a pushover and I am glad somebody talked about it in such great detail.
Also, I love your Hobi picture
You're very welcome! I was getting really frustrated by the people who were saying stuff like that bc Lisa and Rojda did such a good job at subverting tropes and showcase an actual healthy relationship with good communication... I was mad people refused to see that lmao
Thank you 😊
HI ! THIS IS A reallyyyy late comment but at 19:17 . the way they explained it is them giving eachother their love language,
Wilhelm = soft hug, saying "i love you" (words to show love more then touch)
Simon = tight sqeeze, longer hug "i hope you have a nice christmas". (physical touch love more than words)
giving eachother the love language they provide
this is a personal opinion but yee.
(BTW LOVE YOUR CONTENT, NEW SUB
yes!!! someone else already pointed it out but it's still so sweet 🥺 also thank you! i hope you'll keep on liking my content 💕
@@lovemyshelf im sure i will!! :D i didnt see someone else point it out LMAOOO! keep up the good contenttt
Oh my god, I agree 100% about the Queen letting August go so easily!!! I am a fan of royalty and I understand her decision as a sovereign and head of state in order to keep the royal family from scandal, because if the monarchy crumbled, life is not gonna be easy for everyone of them, including Wille himself (usually member of abolished monarchy will have to leave the country/being exiled) and Wille knows that which is why he goes along with the plan in the end. (He should have told Simon before the interview tho, just to save him from being betrayed, having to learn it from news)
But the Queen's decision to let August go unpunished is the worst! I agree that's the last thing she can do to be at least a good mother to Wille. And she didn't do her duty as a Queen very well in that part, because she asked August to look after Wille, but what he did, not only hurts her son, but also put the royal family that she tries to preserve so hard into a crisis! Basically what August did is a treachery. Even if she can't punish him publicly, she can punish him in some ways, so at least will heal Wille's pain even if it's very tiny.
THIS!!! 🙌🏻
Yes! Exactly! Thank you 😭
and also the queen sjould have told Willem just in order to make sure he does not trust August anymore.
at first i was so mad simon didn't say "i love you" back but now i understand better why he didn't do that. *but i need a season 2 cuz otherwise i will be mad again oops*
We're all holding Netflix at gunpoint at this point lmao
I honestly don't think that Wille will abdicate simply because he wants to carry on Erik's legacy. Erik cared so much about the monarchy from what we could see and I don't think Wille will go against that even if he isn't the best person for the job. But I do think he will change a lot when he gets the chance and strength for it at some point. But that's only my opinion.
I just want Wille to be happy and at peace, whatever he chooses to do 😔😭
@@lovemyshelf oh I totally agree with that and I think he will, even in the situation he is in, but it will be complicated for sure.
I actually do believe that Wilhelm is the right person for the job and that maybe he would even do a better job than Erik. Bitte I don't think the job is the right job for Wilhelm as it would not make him happy.
@@leosax6962 Yup! I think so too!
To me, toxic relationships in shows are mostly relationships that should like just end because they aren't good for each other but the partners are so freaking blind they just idk stay together? There's so mang shows like that. Obv it's also a toxic relationship if one of the partners is struggling and the other one just leaves but Simon and willhelms relationship was harmful to BOTH of them, so seeing Simon reacting the way he did was a breath of fresh air and in a way so pleasing to see.
I agree and disagree with the statement about Linda being a bad parent. She's not a bad parent but she lacks in certain ways. She's accepting and emotionally available for her kids but she's not perfect. When Sara acted up( for lack of a better word), instead of stepping forward and reinforcing her role as the mother she lets Simon handle it which I think is wrong. It's a bit unfair to Simon; he his own problems and then has to almost act like a parent for Sara. Another example was when the dad showed up at school. Instead of Linda protecting Sara from such a triggering situation she just stands there and Simon once again has to be the one who takes charge.
because i didn't say it before... you are so beautiful! like your content btw xx
Pls 🥺 Thank you 💞
with the simon not saying it back yes it made me upset but it made sense why he didn't. like he said a bunch wilhelm needs to figure out what he wants and simon saying it back would've changed everything also he has to let wilhelm go for himself and saying those words to him ou loud even if he knew he felt it would have made it that much harder to let him go
Personally i feel that simon had every right to do what he did at the end, their is no doubt that they both love and fell so hard for eachother but villhem just asked simon to be his lover in secret? if i was in that situation i would also do something like that. I also have a feeling that the ending whenever that us (season2,3,4) will end up with villhem abdiquating the throan and august becoming king as august obviously has great love and effection for the crown and he already has the reputation ect.
Agree with the first half of your comment but idk about the August thing... 🤔 It seems there are A LOT of people before him on the list for the crown if Wilhelm abdicates... but who knows, we'll have to wait and see 👀
@@lovemyshelf I know.. but we really haven’t been introduced to any other relatives but yes we will just have to wait and see!
A bit late here but I still see the Queen's actions are more than justifiable, I am 21 and I totally understand her perspective about Willmon's relationship, because that's what teenagers do (most of them) they fall in love and think it will last forever and nothing else matter, then they grow and find out love is not everything and move on to other relationships. So, the Queen is right in seeing that it is not worth risking the crown especially when William is the only prince. Regarding her not telling him about it being August, teenagers' actions are really unpredictable sometimes, and knowing from the first ep that William can act in emotions, it is not really wise to tell him the truth when you think he will not find out. Finally, I agree that she should have shown him more love but she is not 100% emotionless, she did show some love at times but it wasn't enough, maybe she thinks she has to do that to stay in control (in a way), which I agree that she has to be more of a mother to him not a queen.
Uhh I love this video idea!!
love this video! btw i noticed your bts posters in the backround :)
Hahaha yes! I'm a proud ARMY! 💜
I love all your reactions to YR and Heartstopper -- insightful, with genuine emotions. I saw the YR reactions last July and came back to your site for Heartstopper, and I just saw this one. I agree with 90% of what you say, with a few exceptions. 1. Although August should face consequences for recording and posting the video, it's not chid porn. He recorded for only a few seconds (I don't remember exactly, but the video states that it's 20-30 seconds long). Virtually the whole video is shown in episodes 5 and 6, and although it's private and intimate, it's not pornographic. It's not a sex tape, as described in the English subtitles; it's just a video, as they refer to it in the Swedish version. 2. I don't think that Wilhelm should abdicate. He's only 16 and has a lot of time to decide whether or not he wants to accede to the throne. When he's more mature, he can make the decision. Selfishly, I'd want to have an openly LGBTQ+ monarch. Monarchies are among the most traditional of institutions, and a queer monarch would be a step towards equality and representation. Like it or not, becoming the monarch is Wilhelm's duty, and it could hurt all LGBTQ+ people if he didn't fulfill his duty. 3. Although Simon is a gem, I don't think that he is the best human being ever (just a matter of opinion)! Thanks for your videos.
I'm glad you enjoyed my videos! 😊
I already answered to points 2-3 in the replies bc other people already say so a long time ago, so if you're interested, I suggest you take a look 😭
But for your first point, I'm not really sure this doesn't count as child porn. They are still underage and were obviously filmed without their consent so that's a big felony! Also, we only see 7 seconds of the whole video when it's actually around 30 sec like you said so there might be more "explicit stuff" in it. But anyway, it doesn't matter how we call it: it's a video of them having sex filmed without their consent and they're both minors so that's a big no-no!
okay so this is kinda random but if you havent watched it before I'd love to see you react to either skam Norway or skam France! I feel like youd enjoy it since it's kinda similar to young royals and I really liked your reactions to yr!
People already suggested it and I explained that I can't react to it bc I was around when it came out and know the storylie already :/ + as a French speaker I can't get behing Skam France and the way the actors act... It makes me cringe too much, I'm really sorry 😭 No hate towards them, it's in the tone of their voices, I don't like this way of acting I guess and it takes me out everytime 😭
@@lovemyshelf Finally someone who agrees 🙃 I have enjoyed Arthur’s season, but season 1 and 2 are bad, and season 3 have some cute and good scenes, but they over explained too much and they were trying too hard. Never felt natural.
I didn't watch enough of Skam France to form an opinion but yeah... if I don't click with the characters and story I just can't feel anything and I know that's what happened with SF :/
I think maybe it was a good idea not to have told Simon that August released the video. After the way he went after him concerning his rightfully owed money, there’s no telling what he might have done to August ( not that he wouldn’t have deserved whatever he got 😉 )
my opinion is that wilmon's relationship isn't like, those most healthy 100% ok beautiful relationship, but that isn't to say that it's bad or "toxic."
My point has always been that we should stop using the words "toxic", "healthy" etc. so freely, bc it makes them lose their meaning. Disagreeing with your s/o, fighting a bit with them (verbally) and other stuff Wilmon did in s1 doesn't mean their relationship was unhealthy. In psychology, we consider the four C’s - communication, caring, conflict resolution, and cultural differences. They communicated a lot and expressed their feelings many times in s1. The secret thing wasn't fair on Simon, but in the beginning he seemed ok with it bc he knew there wasn't really another option. After watching s2, I'd say their constant fights in the first half of the season and the shift in dynamics made their relationship unhealthy... but then to be fair there technically wasn't really a relationship at all since they were broken up so... by S2E6 they were back to a more healthy dynamic.
I think people use serious words, without assuming the implications of the meaning. Fortunately, it is not real people here at least.
Toxic? I believe people are so use to "perfect" characters in shows that they are shocked to see characters with flaws, like in real life. I don't think the person has had serious relation, if they had they would know nothing is perfect, and it is natural to struggle.
About the go / stop of the relation, viewers often point Wille stops. But actually there were 4 stops of the relation in the story, 2 from Wille, then 2 from Simon.... A certain equilibrium here.
Simon being submissive. As you say, what would be the problem. And I believe in this story, Wille falls for him, because he is the only one who is not submissive. He admires his force and freedom of speech and action. As you say Simon is opened and patient, but know also how to say fuck off when needed.
Yes the mother is frozen cold.
The final hug was pure love, pain, and regrets from both parts. It is so obvious, how people don't see it. They broke up yes, but are far from enemies, who need ally to be "against" the other. You are right, the only side there is is this beautiful relation side, no question here for me. Life is not black and white.
Simon just broke up with him. So it is would be just wrong to declare his feelings here. I wouldn't have understood sincerely. Nothing has changed since his decision.
And Simon still care. He realizes how Christmas time will be painful for Wille, with his brother just dead, so he sends him this message of support for Christmas. Nobody see it?
For Simon dad, I am not sure we will see more. I think it was helpful for us to understand Simon personality, and this relation was one who built him, so it was important to see it. The series theme is the weight of family inheritance, so that is one of them. I feel we will dig more on how Simon deals with all of it deeper.
For Wille having to abdicate because he doesn't care about monarchy....I am not as sure as you. We have not the monarchic culture in France, and personally I don't give it a lot of credits. But I assume that a 17 years old rebellious kid decision is maybe not the final one. He has to wait and grow up a bit to know what life has in for him. It is not a small decision, and he should have the time to see it through. Not in 15 days decision, and as you said not for someone else either.
And even if he wants to "update" monarchy values, while staying in it, they won't listen a teenager, he will have to wait a bit.
Justement, je pense pas que les gens soient habitués à des persos parfaits, au contraire. La télé et les films ont vendu des relations hyper toxiques pendant des années sans rien dire ou en justifiant tout par "l'amour" et malheureusement on en voit les dérives aujourd'hui. Ils voient Simon et Wilhelm confronter leurs opinions et soudainement ils associent "dispute" à relation toxique ce qui est hyper bête. Je trouve aussi un peu facile de dire que "leur relation n'était pas saine depuis le début puisqu'ils se cachaient" quand dans la vraie vie, la plupart des relations queers commencent de cette façon. En plus Simon n'était pas idiot, il se doutait depuis le début que si un truc devait se passer avec Wilhelm, ça serait pas le genre de relation affichée partout. Et c'est pas comme si Wilhelm prétendait ne pas être son pote. Leur relation c'était juste leur petit truc à eux. Je vois vraiment pas où est le mal perso. S'ils avaient continué après que Wilhelm ait démenti être dans la sextape par contre là ça aurait été différent. Mais bon... je mets les commentaires sur leur soi-disant toxicité sur le compte du jeune âge et du manque de réflexion du public... Car YR a été en grande partie regardée chez les jeunes ados et ça il ne faut pas l'oublier.
Oui la notion de toxicité est complètement déviée par ces shows irréalistes, c'est vrai. Je crois que je partais dans la même direction, mais dit maladroitement, en disant que oui les 2 personnages font des erreurs, et comme tu dis se disputent, et c'est complètement normal. Et que c'est aussi normal, quand on est ado encore plus, d'être perdus, de ne pas savoir ce qu'on veut, et d'avoir des contradictions.
Et effectivement Wilhem ne l'a jamais vu comme un pote, style le bon pote gay. L'attirance a été très claire envers Simon depuis le départ, même s'il ne s'autorisait pas à agir dessus, il a nettement "pourchassé" Simon dès épisode 1.
Se cacher, le sujet est vaste. Il y a le sujet queer pour sur, mais je pense surtout qu'il a été éduqué pour suivre un chemin très spécifique pour toute la vie, il y aune montagne de restrictions qu'il doit accepter à tout comportement. Et en sortir d'une manière ou d'une autre est inacceptable pour sa famille, et donc il ne peut vivre ce qu'il veut ouvertement.
Pour en revenir à se cacher, je crois que la série appuie dessus, la vie privée / public d'une personne connue (ici un prince), ajoute une contrainte particulière à toute relation privée. J'ai dans l'idée que ces gens là doivent se cacher pour sauver un minimum d'intimité toute leur vie, car le monde estime qu'ils ont un droit sur ces gens là et que tous leurs actes doivent être explosés et justifiés. Juste mon feeling.
Du coup, quelque soit le partenaire choisi, il doit être prêt à vivre cette vie cachée avec le prince, et c'est clair que c'est un sacrifice.
Et là je parle juste des gens en général. Si je pense à la monarchie elle-même, il y a des chances que leurs valeurs restreignent encore plus la liberté pour lui de vivre une relation quelqu'elle soit, si elle déroge à produire une "lignée de sang royal".
Totalement d'accord ! (Enfin sauf pour la partie au début, je pense que Wilhelm a mis un moment pour comprendre que l'intérêt qu'il avait pour Simon allait au delà de l'amitié, mais c'est sûr que du moment qu'il l'avait accepté, il était clair et direct avec ses intentions.) C'est pour ça que les gens qui essayent de comparer la dynamique de leur relation à un classique push/pull qu'on a vu déjà un milliard de fois m'agace, car justement la situation n'est pas du tout comparable, et ce pour les points que tu as cités en fin de comm donc je ne vais pas me répéter là dessus mais vraiment, leur relation était saine dès le début car malgré l'empathie et la patience de Simon, on a pu voir que déjà en début d'ep3, il s'était choisi lui-même. Simon se respecte énormément et comprend la situation dans laquelle Wilhelm est tout en sous-estimant parfois à quel point Wilhelm est bloqué et malheureusement facilement impressionable et manipulable. Bref, leur relation était si rafraîchissante à voir ! Enfin des persos qui se posent, discutent, et essayent de voir le point de vue de l'autre. C'est le bare minimum mais la plupart des séries ne nous donne jamais ça mdr
Oui des personnes "qui s'écoutent". Cela semble évident car c'est effectivement la base d'une relation saine, quelqu'elle soit d'ailleurs, même si personne n'y arrive complétement c'est sûre aussi. Mais cette remarque est intéressante, car c'est en les observant qu'on s'aperçoit que cela manque cruellement à beaucoup de fictions.
Tu sais à quoi j'ai vu aussi que les gens avaient une vison erronée de "jolies relations", c'est par les réactions/commentaires. C'est pas une critique vraiment, ça m"a juste surprise.
A chaque fois qu'il y avat une interaction / une scène un peu atypique entre 2 personages, les gens ont le réflexe de tout de suite imaginer "la cruauté des personnages / de la situation" par défaut. De voir quelle est la pire manipulation qui peut être tirée de la situation. ¨pour moi, ce n'est pas naturel.
Par exemple, "il va utiliser l'info pour le faire tomber" quand Wilhem se renseigne sur August. Oui il le remet à sa place quand il s'attaque à Simon, mais son réflexe est surtout de l'aider, de résoudre ses soucis financiers quand il l'apprend. Ou quand les gens sont surpris quand les filles se prennent dans les bras à l'arret de bus, car s'attendant en premier à un drame....Ou les personnes qui n'arrivent meme plus à apprécier des moments tels que le premier baiser qui est magnifique en émotion, car ils attendent avec impatience un drame quelquonque.....
Je stoppe la. Juste pour dire que la vision des relations semble biaisée.
Je trouve les relations, et la description de ces personnages est faite avec beaucoup d'empathie pour les personnages eux-même de la part de l'auteur, et effectivement entre les personnages, quelque soit leur personnalité. Quant on observe le comportement de Linda, Ayud, Felice, Rosh, Simon, Wilhem, Erik par exemple. Ils tendent la main à d'autres personnes de façon généreuse. Bon aucun n'est parfait bien entendu, ils savent aussi etre égoistes parfois. Mais quand même ils ont "un bon fond", ce sont des bonnes personnes, et ça fait du bien.
Après les deux personnages principaux sont particulièrement empathiques. Je revois Sara le reprocher à Simon à la fin, ça me désolait.
Je pense aussi que les gens s'attendaient à mal car malheureusement c'est ça qu'on nous fait bouffer dans les séries depuis des années, juste pour faire du drama. C'est l'un des points qui m'a beaucoup fait aimer YR car les writers ont vraiment pris toutes les tropes clichées et ont creusé pour en sortir quelque chose d'autre et exploiter les storylines différement !
OMG NOOOO THIS SHOW IS HAUNTING ME
Porfa haz un análisis de la relación de Nick y Charlie en todos los libros del universo de Oseman
In the first tweet I feel like William was more struggling with internal homophobia because of how he was raised and the expectations the royal family put on him
That wouldn't be internalised homophobia tho, but more the effects of living in an heteronormative home.
What? Did I just hear you describe Simon as "the best human being to ever exist?" I'm gonna need some receipts. The guy lied to his mom, stole from his dad, forced another guy to sell drugs to other kids... yea, those actions can be explained, but hardly best-human-ever behavior.
That's on you my friend! Best human being to ever exist in my book doesn't mean someone who doesn't make mistakes! ✌
@@lovemyshelf Wow, I was sincerely hoping I misunderstood your comment. Perhaps it was meant in a limited context, or that it had been referencing something in another video.
Recklessly endangering children's health is more than a simple mistake; its criminal conduct in just about every society since the beginning of recorded history. That's hardly just on me. These are controlled substances for a very good reason. Drug abuse can be deadly or cause lasting damage, especiay in young brains that have yet to finish growing. And Simon selfishly risks harming/killing others for what? Private tutoring lessons?
I shall bother you no more.
@@H1ST0RYWriter Ok and those kids are old enough to know about the risks and deal with the consequences.
I understand your point and I'm not saying you're wrong but you're acting like those "kids" are like 14 or younger. They're all 16 or older though and learned about the risks of taking drugs without them specifically being prescribed to them. I knew of the risks when I was younger and never did any drug.
So sorry, in my eyes it's definitely something that Simon should have thought more about, and if something had happened he should have been held responsible just like the others, but it doesn't make him a bad person in my book.
@@lovemyshelf 1) From a comment made by Willhelm's elder brother, the audience learns that August has essentially been at the school his whole childhood. To me, this suggests younger students are present; we just don't see them because the classes are segregated by age. Given August's many faults, it's very difficult for me to just assume he would not sell to younger students. In hindsight, I can see potentially that the elder prince's comment may have a different contextual meaning in it's native Sweedish.
2) My response to you was not based on whether Simon was a good or bad person. I would agree that Simon is mostly good. I absolutely disagree with your very extreme claim that Simon is "the best human being to ever exist."
3) I'm aware that negative comments on social media can have a damaging impact on content creators such as yourself. Please know that I'm just stating my opinion about the show & your reaction to it. I'm not trying to attack, belittle, or bully you personally in any manner; and if my comments have suggested otherwise, I do apologize. Truly, that was never my intent.
@@H1ST0RYWriter Perhaps I'm remembering the dialogue wrong but I don't think Hillerska works like that. There are 3 degrees as most schools in Europe when it comes to prepare students to go to University. So, I don't think there are younger students. What Erik said was that this school was August's whole life bc he probably built his reputation year after year and doesn't seem to have a life out of his school results and stuff (could be wrong about that tho but i don't think i am).
Also no worries, I did not feel attacked personally or bullied, I am not a child lmao I understand you were trying to make a point, I was just defending my perspective on the matter.
(Also, of course Simon is not the best human being ever, I was merely exagerating in the video. But in my eyes, he was at the time one of the characters with the best morals I had seen before on T.V especially considering he's a teenager.)
i think ppl think their relationship is toxic bc of simon's stance towards the monarchy. since the first episode its clear that he doesnt 'like them' or whatever and this was the main obstacle in their relationship - basically every argument boiled down to the fact that simon disagreed with the monarchy and didnt want to protect it. he loves wilhelm, and if he wasnt a prince they would be together 100%, but its just something thats always gonna cause like fights and disagreements bc wilhelm has a duty to his country and cant give that up (and simon kinda wants him to)
ALSO HOW IS FELICES AND SARAS FRIENDSHIP TOXIC
If only 😭 From what I've seen going around sadly this isn't the reason but what you said is really true... I still wouldn't use the word toxic, but their relationship definitely doesn't have a future if they both don't change their views on some stuff (or change the world 👀 bc simon doesn't like the monarchy as it is now but if wilhelm manages to make a difference...)
About Felice and Sara... I know right??? 😭 I really think people just throw around big words nowdays without really understanding what they mean :/
IM SORRY WHAT