COBRA BARBARIAN MXT: Broadhead Test
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2022
- This is a test of the 100 gr Barbarian MXT Mechanical Broadhead designed for crossbows (but can be used with vertical bows as well), by Cobra.
Here is summary of my 2022 Testing Procedure & Scoring w/ the scores of the Aftermath posted in parenthesis as well.
Total Barbarian Score: 81.30 = 8 Golden Arrows
1. Flight Forgiveness (20%, 20 pts)
This is not just a test of how heads fly out of my bow, as it was in the past. With a well tuned bow, properly built arrows & good form, almost every head flies well. That's why in the past most heads got a flight score of 9 or 10. But that doesn't help those who may not have perfectly tuned bows/arrows/good form. So now I am gauging Flight Forgiveness. This is based on how the head flies for me, how well it spins, how "sensitive" the flight is to imperfections, & the exposed surface area of the blades. The max score of a Mech is 10 (20 on 20 pt scale) & the max score of a Fixed is 8 (16 on 20 pt scale).
2. Cut Size (20%, 12.01 pts)
The more tissue being cut, the more lethal the head, all else equal. The entrance cut, total cut, & width of the cut (a crucial variable for bloodletting) are all scored:
The entrance cut size is compared to a standard of 2.5" then that fraction is weighted to 7% of the score. (.66"+.26"/2.5" x 7 = 2.58 pts)
The max cut size is compared to a standard of 2.5" as well, then that fraction is is weighted to 7% of the score. (1.5"+/2.5"+.26" x 7 = 4.93 pts)
The max cutting diameter is compared to a standard of 2.0", then that fraction is weighted to 6% of the score. (1.5"/2 x 6 = 4.5 pts)
3. Blades (20%, 16.5 pts)
Initial sharpness (9%, 300 grs=9/10=8.1 pts ) & Edge Retention (9%, +100 grs=8/10=7.2 pts) are measured using the Edge On Up Sharpness Tester. The pressure needed for a blade to cut thru a copolymer wire is measured in grams.
Edge Retention is the loss of sharpness after the head is shot in Penetration Test 1, thru 1/2" MDF and 2/3" rubber foam mat & Clear Ballistics FBI gel. For every 50 "grams" of sharpness lost, 1 point is deducted from 10.
What are some sharpness scores for common edges?
A butter knife takes 2000 grams of pressure to break the co polymer wire.
A new high end cutlery edge: ~ 375 grams of pressure.
A utility razor blade: 200 grams.
Based on the many broadheads I have tested, here is my scoring scale:
Out of the Box Sharpness:
0-200 gr: 10
201-300 gr 9
301-400 gr: 8
401-500 gr: 7
501-600 gr: 6
601-700 gr: 5
701-800 gr: 4
801-900 gr: 3
901-1000 gr: 2
1001-1100 gr: 1
1101+ gr: 0
Ease to resharpen or replace blades is judged & given 2% of the score. (6/10=1.2 pts)
4. Penetration (20%, 15.79 pts)
There are 3 penetration tests:
Pen Test 1: 1/2" MDF, 2/3" rubber foam mat, Clear Ballistics FBI gel. Depth of penetration is compared to a standard of 9" & weighted to 9% of the score. (8" = 8 pts)
Pen Test 2: Layered cardboard. # of layers penetrated is compared to a standard of 70 layers & weighted to 9% of the score.
(45 layers=5.79 pts)
Angled Penetration Test: How effectively does the head penetrate 1/4" MDF covered by carpet at a 45 degree angle. This accounts for 2% of the score. (2/2pts)
5. Durability (20%, 17 pts)
Each head is shot thru 1/2" MDF 3 times. Its condition is judged 1-10 after each shot & weighted to 12% of the score. (10/10 = 12 pts)
If a head survives that, it is then shot thru 22 ga steel plate twice. Its condition is judged 1-10 & weighted to 5% of the score. (7/10=3.5 pts)
If a head survives that, it is then shot into concrete once. Its condition is judged 1-10 & weighted to 3% of the score. (5/10=1.5 pts)
Steel plate & concrete are certainly not "realistic" mediums, but they do reveal the outer limits of a head's durability.
BONUS: Heads will be rewarded bonus points for special, intangible features such as: rotation, no O rings/clips for mechs, extra thickness, hole size, other unique designs, etc.
+1 extra good flight
+1 no O Rings
+0.5 pts extra thick blades (.056")
-2 pin broke even on non-durability test
-0.5 pts all 3 heads rattled when closed
TOTAL Barbarian MXT SCORE: 81.3= 8 Golden Arrows
Price of Barbarian: $21.67/head
Grading Scale:
90-100 10 Golden Arrows
85-90 9
80-85 8
70-80 7
60-70 6
Special Notes:
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Definitely better options on the market i would definitely go with the Sevr if i was gonna shoot mechanical heads just my opinion, those sevr heads are hard to beat!
Agreed. These were actually better than most mechs..but their claims were so high, they set themselves up for critique & disappointment.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures The blades seemed fairly dull out of the package.
Thanks for testing!! This is the reason why I stick with fixed broad heads!
Yeah, durability is an advantage in many fixed blade heads...but I've also shot many fixed heads that didn't do as well as these. And mechs also provide extreme flight forgiveness, which is huge for nervous, rushed, or windy conditions--or really long shots--or if your bow/technique is not excellent.
I absolutely am addicted to these broadhead videos. Thank you so much for these vids. I am going into the woods with Alien v2’s and sevr!!!!
Thanks Jake. Those are great choices.
Thanks Bryan for giving for all of our knowledge.
Thanks for watching :)
Cobra was a great archery company back in the 90’s. Sights and releases were pretty nice. Maybe they should focus on that stuff from now on.
Yeah, they make some great stuff. These were actually better than most mechs..but their claims were so high, they set themselves up for critique & disappointment.
Good information
Thank you!
Better heads out there. Thx for testing.
Yep. These were actually better than most mechs..but their claims were so high, they set themselves up for critique & disappointment.
So much for
Brutal durability
Barbaric Strength
especially on an angle
Lol. Junk
These were actually better than most mechs..but their claims were so high, they set themselves up for critique & disappointment.
Yes, they did set themselves up.
My
"Brutal durability
Barbaric Strength"
comment came from their website.
I agree that for the most part, they did better than most of the other mechanicals that has been tested by you. They did better than some I tested and I don't use a cinder block, at least not on purpose. I expected the head to blow up when it hit the block after seeing the opening size at 3:59 into the video.
At this point, I think I'll stick with the Spitfire for mechanicals and TOTA for fixed.
First and foremost. Ty John for all the great testing. Secondly, thanks to all who send in heads to be tested. Third, soft pass on these for me. Definitely take a Sevr over these. 👍🏻🇺🇸
Thank you Donald.
I wouldn't even trust this broadhead after watching this amazing review. I still pick sevr over that broadhead anyday of the week.
Yeah. These are more durable than most mechs...but not as durable as the Sevr--especially the 1.5. But I'm sure these would still get the job done in most cases.
still will have to pass on mechanicals. thanks for the test for both the provider and John 👍🏻
Thank you for watching :)
Another great review John, been waiting on this one, gotta say I'm not overly impressed definitely doesn't hold up to it's selling pitch.
Yep. These were actually better than most mechs and scored higher than most fixed..but their claims were so high, they set themselves up for critique & disappointment.
Can you test some of the dead ringer broadheads. They don’t get enough credit for how good they are.
I've tested a few of those over the years. I still use the Trauma...and have a vid test of that one. Vortex designed them, and I have a couple tests of them as well.
Barbarian MTX loudly promises so much....... But the Sevr quietly delivers 😁
Good summary.
What happened to your last video I seen it was up then when I tried watching it was gone
Amazon didn’t have the heads in their warehouse yet, so I paused it until they get them in stock. It should be coming soon. And that company, MAXONE, also has an all steel model that did VERY well in my testing.
Hey John I've really enjoyed your test and the progression of the process of testing over time. I'm curious about the bishop arrows you use. How many tough impact shots are you getting outta bishop? Like the concrete shot how many shots are you getting outta one arrow?
Thank you. For the FAD Eliminators, I'd say I typically get about 30 shots into the concrete--and that's with an arrow weight of 700-800 grains out of a 72# bow at 5 yards.
It will kill animals no doubt, but there are far better choices for the money! Thanks again for the hard work and testing.
Thanks Chris. I agree. These were actually better than most mechs..but their claims were so high, they set themselves up for critique & disappointment.
Definitely left a lot to be desired. The durability just wasn’t there being made of titanium
Thanks for the comment. There are a few factors that affect ferrule durability--materials, hardening, and geometry. Titanium can be a great choice (the Sevr 1.5 for example is titanium and I've shot one head into concrete 3 times and it was still going strong)...but these are pretty vented, so the geometry could be improved. But still, these are more durable than many fixed heads and most mechs.
John, You said it: “Disappointing” sure looked like a nice broadhead until it hit something.
:)
Definitely doesn't stack up to the sevr. I'm not a mechanical guy, but I have a lot of respect for the folks at sevr for what they created
...and it is not only the BHs from SEVR that are good - the service they provide around their product (packaging, shipping, transparency ...response time to enquiries ....) is outstanding too!
@@WM-jy9dz the packaging is definitely impressive. I've not had to contact them for customer service issues, but if it's even half as good as their product, or their packaging; in sure I'll have only good things to say.
Yeah, I agree. These were actually better than most mechs..but their claims were so high, they set themselves up for critique & disappointment.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures in a way, their claims were successful... it's advertising. And it worked well enough to sell at least 1 package. From a consumer standpoint, it was disappointing seeing them fail so heavily on the quartered shot.
great vid man love ur content i am someone who has a low poundage and draw length so i’m interested in fixed blade particularly in single bevel heads but i’m open to anything do you have and recommendations?
Thanks Matthew. So many great choices. You can look thru my Broadhead Test Playlist and find a lot of info there. Some great ones off the top of my head are: VPA, Cutthroat, Alien V2, Kayuga Gen 2 Pilot Cut, A2, Kudu, Big Game 2, and the new Cleaver by Crimson Talon. But I will say, there are some multi blade heads that cut A LOT more tissue than most 2 blade mechs and even penetrate better--like the Exodus or Tooth of the Arrow. Many people think Single Bevels spin like a drill--but even the best ones only add about 15% more cut with their rotation...adding a third blade adds 50% more cut or a third & fourth blade adds 100% more cut.
thanks for that that is some great info
VPA single bevel heads perform beautifully in the field, are easy to resharpen and tough.
@@PoeOutdoors but they cost an arm and a leg😅
Thanks for doing these test I myself really do not like to pay the higher prices on broadheads for my crossbow. Just want a broadhead that will kill a deer. Thank you for your imput
Thanks Mike.
Can you please start posting on Rumble???
I need to look into that. I had looked into it a year or so ago, and the monetization was no where near as good as TH-cam.
Great vid as always. You still can't beat a great single beveled broadhead like iron wills product line. Titanium isn't really a good material for certain applications. Very strong material in some directions but others it's pretty weak. Xample, unrelated to topic but will demonstrate the strength of Titanium. I have a high-end mountain bike$15k. The pedals had Titanium axles, I broke one of the axles easily as I'm only 140 pounds so it's a great wonder material but only for certain things. Cheers . Do more with iron will Bill😁
Thanks for sharing that. The materials are one issue, but the geometries are just as important of a factor. Sevr 1.5 is titanium and I''ve shot one into concrete 3 times and it was still going strong.
Cobra has always made lower end products. I personally would use nothing of cobras. JMO
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. This head actually did better than most mechs.
IMO the design needs more work. Improve the durability of the pin, replace the titanium ferrule with a tough stainless steel, and reduce the rattle when closed.
That would help. But ferrule durability is a function of a few things: Material (as you mentioned), hardening, and geometry. A good, well hardened steel would be much more resistant to impact than titanium...but would also add a lot more weight. A less vented design (geometry) would help this ferrule be a lot more durable.
If you look at the Sevr 1.5--it is also titanium, but much thicker--and can withstand more impact than the vast majority of fixed blade heads. I've shot one into concrete 3 times and it was still going strong.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Agreed. However, I see Titanium as a better marketing material than a broadhead ferule material. When using the same design/profile, a good quality, properly tempered stainless steel is superior for durability to titanium and that IMO is far more important than weight savings. It takes less steel to be as strong as titanium so the weight savings isn't that big of a deal. The steel is also far cheaper, and that savings can be put into high quality blades.
I had really high hopes for these but after seeing this and other reviews it just looks like it unfortunately does not fulfill its toughness selling point and at 55 dollars for a 3 pack it just doesn't make sense to me. I'd pass on these.
Yeah. But I did just hear they are making a new updated model that is much tougher. I will be testing it soon.
I don’t think they’re telling the truth about the materials . Next
Well, I think the materials were fine...but the geometries of the ferrule and that pin thickness could use some improvement.
These over the top broadheads are kind of sketchy to me. Mechanicals already have reduced penetration and passthroughs are less common, then you add on the extremely small entry holes. That in my mind leads to worse blood trails and issues if you happen to have a suboptimal shot.
Yeah. If you get a pass thru, then they're fine...but if not, you're not as apt to get as much blood as you do with a rear deploying head--with those you're getting one at least one big hole.
Kinda disappointed honestly. I mean it will do the job but I'll take my Sevr 1.5s over it.
Yep. Agreed. These were actually better than most mechs..but their claims were so high, they set themselves up for critique & disappointment.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures You do a great job with these tests man. I appreciate the work you put in and the videos are very fun and informative. So thank you.
mechanical heads are for the birds. with so many one piece steel heads out there, i just don't see the point in putting your faith in mechanicals.
Thanks for the comment. I used to think the same. But there are nice advantages to each.
Mechs offer much more flight forgiveness--which is huge in nervous, windy, rushed conditions...or longer shots...or if your bow & form are not in excellent tune.
And mechs also offer a much wider hole, most of the time.
But fixed tend to be more durable and penetrate a bit better.
That's where a really tough, good penetrating mech is hard to beat. But there are few mechs that are designed that way.
Everything is a trade off.
That's why I created this formula to give a composite score for both mechs & fixed--each may excel in certain areas, but overall you can compare the scores.
And these Barbarians scored higher than most fixed blade heads. The highest score of any head this year is a Sevr 1.5...but there are some fixed blades that scored very close to that as well.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures that is the exact opposite route i went , i used to use mechanicals exclusively (i think i tried them all over the years), then i found i could get fixed 3 and 4 blade heads to fly just as well, and i can use the same fixed head for practice and killing game over and over after re-sharping it, i do that until i eventually lose that head. most mechanicals i have used are one and done, that is not very cost effective. it really used to bother the heck out of me when i would get down and find my arrow only to find that a blade had been broken off, or blade or both has bent back reducing my cutting diameter, or a blade retaining screw had broke off, or a bent or broken off ferrule caused a reduction in my penetration.
@@yourmomma2995 I definitely get that, but if you have not tried the sevrs you really should give them a try. They penetrate just as well as most fixed heads but not all. They are super durable but the blades will have to be replaced more than likely after each kill but maybe not all, but I can definitely see where you’re coming from with that. Good luck this season
Good test. For me, its just blah. Hardly the strongest, toughest, mechanical. It’s almost like I’ve seen this head a time or two before, by other manufacturers.
Yep. These were actually better than most mechs..but their claims were so high, they set themselves up for critique & disappointment.
That must be the cheapest titanium ever 😂
Well, they actually did fairly well...a shot into concrete after going thru MDF 3 times and Steel Plate 2 times is a pretty rigorous test.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures yes but on the regular steel sheet test the shaft of the broad head was bent I believe If your going to advertise so boldly you have to live up to what you say I’ll give it the fact that for a mechanical the main blades are actually thick but there main shaft is weak
@@TheModernCountryBoy Yep. Completely agree. Their claims only set them up for critique & disappointment.
The sharpness of the blades was terrible.
Thanks for the comment. I typically want heads to be in the "200 grams of pressure range" to break that copolymer wire..but 300 like these is still considered a 9/10...not bad actually.
Not all that impressive. Much better options out there.
Yep. These were actually better than most mechs..but their claims were so high, they set themselves up for critique & disappointment.
😂😂👎🏻
They've made a new and improved model, soon to be released. I just got a pack of them and am going to test them soon.