@liamjoy1369 I would say yes as long as you keep your choice of optic on the lighter side. I personally think that the little bit of extra weight over the Element is worth it for an easier shooting rifle.
Like both rifles, but I prefer the longer barrel and the heavier weight of the PH2. The Element is just too light and the Barrel is too short and it costs $1000 more and I don't believe it shoots any better.
The1:10 works for the majority of the common projectiles but when you use the heaviest of them the extra twist is needed. Extra twist also helps it go through Trans sonic range
@BigTimberLodge In my opinion, 220 grains is the breaking point. If you're going to be using it or heavier projectiles, you might as well go with the faster twist It won't hurt. The 300 PRC will make the mile pretty easy for you.
You can stabilize 230s in the 1:10. May have an issue at lower elevations past that grain weight. If I shoot a hair under an inch I call it a bad day. I’ve squeezed out sub half MOA groups with my PH2 with factory Hornady ammo. I tend to average around .65-.75 groups with my PH2. It’s a cheat code. If I reload for it I could probably get consistent 1/2” groups.
The barrels are made from the same material the Element is just shorter and a thinner profile to save weight. The extra cost is in the way the action is made
@thelonggunner762 amazing. I appreciate this more then you can know. Thank you VERY much.. Havak stock LOP. very short. I'm like 6-4 and like a 14" + So thank you
Never messed with the seekins rifles but the barrel length and the price of the element makes me not like it imo I prefer the longer barrel I personally would rather a 25 or 26 inch barrel but 24 is ok
I know the uber-light, super accurate rifles are all the rage right now, but I see them as just that. A fad. I get very suspicious of super light rifles. Weight of the rifle and the accuracy of the rifle have a huge correlation. Heavier rifles generally shooting more accurately and consistently. Ask Chistiansen. I don't hand load so the barrel length matters to me for the increased velocity. And say what you want but the difference in velocity is significant between a 21" barrel and a 24" barrel. Plus, the barrel being heavier, not just from length, but from girth means that it will be more temperature stable, and therefore, more accurate out to further distances with the same round. Does it mean that it'll be heavier? Sure. But it also means it'll be better. I mean, what the hell are you going out there to do, anyway? If you really want to save weight, chuck the gun and hunt with a friggin wrist-rocket.
Excellent explanation of the differences. Well done! Thanks.
Was looking for a video that explained the difference in these 2 rifles. Very well done and informative. Helped with my decision. PH2 it is
Never knew the footprint of the actions were different. Thanks for the info 👍🏼
Very informative. Thanks!
Excellent video I'm glad I bought the PH2.
I always thought the Element had a "sleeved" barrel for further weight reduction. This video tells me its not. Thanks. Very informative.
Great VIDEO !.. I am thinking of getting the PH2 in 300 PRC
I like the 300 PRC, I've been deliberating on weather to buy one or build one 🤔
Thank you for this video. It is very useful.
Great explanation and comparison.
Thank you! Cleared up many questions!
@seth3645 Glad I could help.
Very helpful
Do you think the PH2 is still doable for western mountain hunting?
@liamjoy1369 I would say yes as long as you keep your choice of optic on the lighter side. I personally think that the little bit of extra weight over the Element is worth it for an easier shooting rifle.
Like both rifles, but I prefer the longer barrel and the heavier weight of the PH2. The Element is just too light and the Barrel is too short and it costs $1000 more and I don't believe it shoots any better.
I prefer the PH2 myself as well
Thoughts on Seekins putting a 1:10 twist on their 300PRC PH2 vs a 1:8 or 1:9?
The1:10 works for the majority of the common projectiles but when you use the heaviest of them the extra twist is needed. Extra twist also helps it go through Trans sonic range
@thelonggunner762 If I want to shoot out to a mile, would you recommend this rifle with the 1:10 twist or something else?
@BigTimberLodge In my opinion, 220 grains is the breaking point. If you're going to be using it or heavier projectiles, you might as well go with the faster twist It won't hurt. The 300 PRC will make the mile pretty easy for you.
You can stabilize 230s in the 1:10. May have an issue at lower elevations past that grain weight. If I shoot a hair under an inch I call it a bad day. I’ve squeezed out sub half MOA groups with my PH2 with factory Hornady ammo. I tend to average around .65-.75 groups with my PH2. It’s a cheat code. If I reload for it I could probably get consistent 1/2” groups.
Is there a difference in the barrels besides the lengths? Is the element’s better in a way that could also contribute to the higher cost?
The barrels are made from the same material the Element is just shorter and a thinner profile to save weight. The extra cost is in the way the action is made
Hey there again... Do you have any idea on stock weight of the Havak VS that greyboe you showed ?
@@kylemacdonell1450 I can find out
@@kylemacdonell1450
Greyboe = 2.75 lbs
Seekins =2.25 lbs
Both weighed with a 5 slot pic rail and bottom metal installed and no mag
@thelonggunner762 amazing.
I appreciate this more then you can know.
Thank you VERY much..
Havak stock LOP.
very short.
I'm like 6-4 and like a 14" +
So thank you
Never messed with the seekins rifles but the barrel length and the price of the element makes me not like it imo I prefer the longer barrel I personally would rather a 25 or 26 inch barrel but 24 is ok
I agree, i like the little longer barrels for speed. The magnum calibers on the PH2 get 26" barrels
I know the uber-light, super accurate rifles are all the rage right now, but I see them as just that. A fad. I get very suspicious of super light rifles. Weight of the rifle and the accuracy of the rifle have a huge correlation. Heavier rifles generally shooting more accurately and consistently. Ask Chistiansen.
I don't hand load so the barrel length matters to me for the increased velocity. And say what you want but the difference in velocity is significant between a 21" barrel and a 24" barrel. Plus, the barrel being heavier, not just from length, but from girth means that it will be more temperature stable, and therefore, more accurate out to further distances with the same round.
Does it mean that it'll be heavier? Sure. But it also means it'll be better. I mean, what the hell are you going out there to do, anyway? If you really want to save weight, chuck the gun and hunt with a friggin wrist-rocket.
Light rifles cost lots more
So if I were to buy the PH2 and wanted to change the stock I just need to get a Remington 700 layout that I like ???
@troyc5623 yes, you can
@@thelonggunner762thank you 👌🏻
Im wasted again, swimming in a pile of Busch light and RL26....