We get time to pull the engine from the JCB 3C so it can be sent off for overhaul. There are several ways to remove an engine but this is what suited us at the time.
maybe you know this, but when your putting the engine back in its possible to nip the seal in the pump in the bell housing with the drive tangs of the snout on the back of the torque convertor i did it on my 3cx had to pull it apart again oil everywhere,i herd after i had finished mine that you can hang the torque convertor and backplate on the pump in the bellhousing and work through the hole at the back of the bellhousing for putting the bolts into the flywheel,probably no harm to replace the seal in the pump in the bellhousing when your at it.
Good old boy ! Thanks for the tip. We noticed it was similar to the early loadall type so guessed it could be an issue. Not a bad idea about doing the seal while its apart either. Thanks for watching and thanks for the advice !
Just found your channel looking for old JCB vids so looking forward to seeing this machine getting sorted and checking out your other work. I'm a diesel fitter for the fire brigade so don't get to work on great old bits of kit like this so i've subscribed keep up the good work.
Good to have you along Jim. There's a fair few vids to go through and catch up with what's been going on to this point and lots of projects on the go, some nearer to completion than others !
Your crane and correct lifting chains with a colleague to help made that job much easier than might have been the case that's for sure! It has left a big hole but that makes it much easier to clean and check out all the remaining bits as well.
Thanks for another installment she's gonna be running good and strong after this, I did a mk2 years ago, it was unreal the power it gained on hills and pushing. When she goes back in are you changing the rubber engine mounts, mine are getting a bit floppy and need 1/2 a Viagra or something to stiffen them up L.O.L. There's loads of mounts on Ebay but part no's don't match up in my book, maybe they cross over to newer ones if you do change yours I'd be interested in knowing a part no if possible please. I figured a temporary tire for the front on mine, the tire shop had 2 used 33x12.50-18 10 ply truck tires for $100 the pair. I'll run those for now and see how they last, it was never a problem with the old landy tires of the silage pit on loaders back in the day ;). I ended up finding a rebuilt county motor for my seized 954 out near the Alberta border, it's quite the trip there from Manitoba so fuel, food and staying out there a nights probably spent the new tire funds this month. My girlfriend suggested i sell some of this iron !!!!!!!!!!, I think she's wanting to trade it on some sparkly ring of some sort, I see more iron before that L.O.L. Take care, see ya next time .
Funnily enough I was looking at the mounts last night and although not too bad, I will replace them. I'll let you know the part numbers when I get them.
there is one of these JCB in a salvage yard in Fairbanks with engine pulled out, I tried to buy it 20 years ago, I'm sure it is still sitting there. the backhoe was on a sideshift slide that is unusual in US. nice to see they put a drain plug on the torque converter.
great vid hopefully it won't be to bad for rebuilding and come back clean your have to pressure wash the inside before putting the engine back in take care and have a great weekend
Oooh, never played with the powershift one, only the huge leyland back end. I worked for some guys and they had us put the truck engine in it, the one without balancer shafts. It was like a 7 ton whacker plate :D
I’m back again :o) Reminded of taking out the floor plates, lifting out that big bell housing top and sliding back the input coupling. Also, pulling the starter motor because one of the four main bolts is under there (assuming it had it, most never got put back in) And the absolute black mess that it was all covered in :o
I replaced an engine on one of these on the moors. I was only 18 at the time in 3 foot of peat. I'm sure the one I did had a manual gearbox and a crappy bmc engine same one that was in the Morris FG. I'm 65 now
Thankyou for the video.I have the same maschine vith broken transmission 1 and r ewerse dosnt work.my question is -- to take off the transmission do i remove the engine first? I will be thankfull for any answers.
If your machine is a Powertrain (around 1979-1980) then you will be able to remove the rear propshaft to the back axle and should be able to remove the transmission from the rear and below.
Hi all, on all automatic transmissions the torque converter has to be unbolted from the engine, just rotate the engine to get all the bolts out, the engine will lift straight out, the torque converter can be easily damaged doing it this way,
if the engine isn't seized its put a spanner on the front engine nut, or a sprocket which fits onto the starter motor hole so you can turn the engine with a spanner, or just use a screwdriver to lever the engine over.
And therein lies the problem....! She'd picked up on number one so there was no way of doing that. Anyway, it's been fully rebuilt now so should soon be fitting it back in.
Thanks for the advice We took out the leaky frost plug to day we will see when we replace it how it's working trouble isit may have heated may have done damage as their was a hiss off the engine after I turned it off it wouldn't start until it cooled down
great video looks like going be a good project sorting the jcb out do u think engine lost any power over time or will be close to when she left factory?
No doubt Robert it will have lost a lot of power over the years and have the ability of an asthmatic heavy smoker but hopefully after a full rebuild it will be back to somewhere near new(ish)
They are not that punchy they weigh a fair old bit. It depends how the horses are measured but I seem to remember the later Leylands being around 70bhp.
good man see what ya can do it would be nice to know. hope it all goes well and it will be nice to see her on the road again. thanks a mill. and don't worry about them people who hates every thing someone else does. do your own thing and fuck them all. all the best...
It was overhauled not long before it was sold Pete. If for any reason it has to be done again in the future, it's not a bad job due to the 3 component system (Engine, transmission, rear axle)
Hey! I have a 1985 3dx with a bad engine. I have gotten hold of an 1104A-44T from 2005. Do you thumb that would fit in my little machine? Best regards. August
Hey everyone, my 3c starts then dies, what's my options is it a total rebuild or something more simple, I use it for tinkering around, any advice appreciated. Ty!!! How do I troubleshoot it?
Right, drain your tank, swill it with diesel and look at the strainer on the end of the fuel pick up in the tank. Drain the swillings and put in fresh fuel. Put on new fuel filter.
If you watch the earlier videos, you'll see we are already planning on doing the cab. I'm not too bothered about the paint. As long as it is mechanically sound, the paint can wait.
Well to all intents and purposes, it is my day job as it is just another part of the things I do day to day. It needs doing, so I get it sorted and it's just another thing in the long list of things we do. Glad you are enjoying the vids Mickey.
Hey mate, you old fruity fruit, u done a good job on getting bonnet out of way on the digger. We call fluid flywheel torque converters but at least u said that a couple times too 😎
What what old stick ! The reason I try to differentiate between T/C and Powertrain is the earlier Mk3's had a straight T/C and these were a separate unit but yes, its a torque converter transmission. Lovely old job, thanks for watching my old stick, what !
@@LordMuck I am in South Africa and i need a gearbox for mine. unfortunately i dont have any info for the machine because the mechanic that was suposed to do gearbox repairs took the plate with all the info off and dissapeared with the gearbox.Mine is the one without the short propshaft. any idea what model it can be ? The rest is exactly the same as on the video.
Thought so I have a Leyland 272 tractor 1976 I rebuilt the engine a few years ago, the pistons in the jcb have the bottom rings as they idle a lot to stop oil been picked up into the bores. Loverly engine smooth, one of my liners went porous as they do. I like the channel. Rob
Nice job getting the engine pulled. The fun starts now on the tear down to see what needs to be done.
See what horrors it has to reveal !
We did a rebuild on a same diga
As yours easy 2 get back in that
Was in 2013 all the best Mr muck👍
maybe you know this, but when your putting the engine back in its possible to nip the seal in the pump in the bell housing with the drive tangs of the snout on the back of the torque convertor i did it on my 3cx had to pull it apart again oil everywhere,i herd after i had finished mine that you can hang the torque convertor and backplate on the pump in the bellhousing and work through the hole at the back of the bellhousing for putting the bolts into the flywheel,probably no harm to replace the seal in the pump in the bellhousing when your at it.
Good old boy ! Thanks for the tip. We noticed it was similar to the early loadall type so guessed it could be an issue.
Not a bad idea about doing the seal while its apart either.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the advice !
Great video, hopefully it's that easy to put the engine back in, the crane truck came in handy for this one!
Made it a lot easier than normal !
Just found your channel looking for old JCB vids so looking forward to seeing this machine getting sorted and checking out your other work. I'm a diesel fitter for the fire brigade so don't get to work on great old bits of kit like this so i've subscribed keep up the good work.
Good to have you along Jim. There's a fair few vids to go through and catch up with what's been going on to this point and lots of projects on the go, some nearer to completion than others !
Your crane and correct lifting chains with a colleague to help made that job much easier than might have been the case that's for sure! It has left a big hole but that makes it much easier to clean and check out all the remaining bits as well.
I can't see the point of struggling Dan and it's much safer with two.
A good steam clean should also do wonders for the engine bay area.
I quite agree.
Hi we had one or two of these JCB’s over the years
Good machines
great vid LM Pard!! it will be sweet to get that heart overhauled in that Ole girl and see her come to life!! again and serve purpose!! my freind!!
Glad you liked it Pard ! Should be nice once its done thats for sure !
Great video. I enjoyed watching
Glad you liked it Mike. Let's hope it goes back as easily !
Thanks for another installment she's gonna be running good and strong after this, I did a mk2 years ago, it was unreal the power it gained on hills and pushing. When she goes back in are you changing the rubber engine mounts, mine are getting a bit floppy and need 1/2 a Viagra or something to stiffen them up L.O.L.
There's loads of mounts on Ebay but part no's don't match up in my book, maybe they cross over to newer ones if you do change yours I'd be interested in knowing a part no if possible please.
I figured a temporary tire for the front on mine, the tire shop had 2 used 33x12.50-18 10 ply truck tires for $100 the pair. I'll run those for now and see how they last, it was never a problem with the old landy tires of the silage pit on loaders back in the day ;).
I ended up finding a rebuilt county motor for my seized 954 out near the Alberta border, it's quite the trip there from Manitoba so fuel, food and staying out there a nights probably spent the new tire funds this month. My girlfriend suggested i sell some of this iron !!!!!!!!!!, I think she's wanting to trade it on some sparkly ring of some sort, I see more iron before that L.O.L.
Take care, see ya next time .
Funnily enough I was looking at the mounts last night and although not too bad, I will replace them. I'll let you know the part numbers when I get them.
there is one of these JCB in a salvage yard in Fairbanks with engine pulled out, I tried to buy it 20 years ago, I'm sure it is still sitting there. the backhoe was on a sideshift slide that is unusual in US.
nice to see they put a drain plug on the torque converter.
great vid hopefully it won't be to bad for rebuilding and come back clean your have to pressure wash the inside before putting the engine back in take care and have a great weekend
A good steam clean should show anything else up and it also gives us time to tighten various pipes etc.
Oooh, never played with the powershift one, only the huge leyland back end. I worked for some guys and they had us put the truck engine in it, the one without balancer shafts. It was like a 7 ton whacker plate :D
I’m back again :o) Reminded of taking out the floor plates, lifting out that big bell housing top and sliding back the input coupling. Also, pulling the starter motor because one of the four main bolts is under there (assuming it had it, most never got put back in) And the absolute black mess that it was all covered in :o
Cool video looking forward to see the progress of the jcb 3c. She be the dogs do dars. When she cleaned up and sorted out.
Hopefully Matt yes it should be a lot better.
Great vid mate...I Have just been given a digger the same as this but my is really rusted and the cab is reallly rotted but I am going to do it up....
Don't get too wrapped up in paintwork and such like, just make sure its mechanically sound and she'll do you well.
Love your videos got one of them myself dam tree just fell on the cab
Fabulous show 🍻cheers.
Glad you enjoyed it.
great vid as always
Thank you Scott.
That's great seeing the Bedford putting in some work. Im curious to see what is found in the engine
Me too Don !
great job buddy
Well its the first part of the job Drew !
Look after yourself.
Would you be able to tell me what year this machine is and what motor it has in it... I just bought one for about nothing but needs a motor.
Good tip on labelling tubs with removed parts in, I've often had that head scratching moment on my AEC when refitting parts months later!
They are so cheap you'd be mad not to. £1 for 5 tubs and lids and you can put several different items bolts in and just add the label.
I replaced an engine on one of these on the moors. I was only 18 at the time in 3 foot of peat. I'm sure the one I did had a manual gearbox and a crappy bmc engine same one that was in the Morris FG. I'm 65 now
Thankyou for the video.I have the same maschine vith broken transmission 1 and r ewerse dosnt work.my question is --
to take off the transmission do i remove the engine first? I will be thankfull for any answers.
If your machine is a Powertrain (around 1979-1980) then you will be able to remove the rear propshaft to the back axle and should be able to remove the transmission from the rear and below.
Hi all, on all automatic transmissions the torque converter has to be unbolted from the engine, just rotate the engine to get all the bolts out, the engine will lift straight out, the torque converter can be easily damaged doing it this way,
What happens if you cannot rotate the engine to get to all the bolts ?
if the engine isn't seized its put a spanner on the front engine nut, or a sprocket which fits onto the starter motor hole so you can turn the engine with a spanner, or just use a screwdriver to lever the engine over.
And therein lies the problem....!
She'd picked up on number one so there was no way of doing that.
Anyway, it's been fully rebuilt now so should soon be fitting it back in.
good job !
Cheers James, let's hope it's fairly straight forward !
Well that went well so far Kurt :)
Fingers crossed....
you going to spec that engine up , those old girl's were all ways a bit under powered !!! Good vid
Cheers Glynn
I think a rebuild should give it a little more grunt Glynn. If you up the power too much, you only end up buggering something else.
Hiab’s are a god send.
reminds me of younger days, not so much back hoes but more like cars and some tractors,, I still tinker with machines but smaller ones of late.
Big or small its the same thing just a larger hammer needed !
Hi There...great video by the way!....I am thinking of buying an old JCB 3C Mk3 and was wondering what to look out for ....good and bad?
Just the usual stuff, general condition, cracks, splits, play etc
Hi Nice job i have the same jcb but looks for technical atelier manual
Have you ever replaced the big busging for the pivot point on the back swing arm not sure of tec terms .
I've done one and it's not any harder than any other bushing
OK thanks
Good video howdo u insert the core plugs my 74 jcb is throwing out water just below the manifold area thanks
Pull the old ones out, clean and then push in the new ones
Thanks for the advice We took out the leaky frost plug to day we will see when we replace it how it's working trouble isit may have heated may have done damage as their was a hiss off the engine after I turned it off it wouldn't start until it cooled down
great video looks like going be a good project sorting the jcb out do u think engine lost any power over time or will be close to when she left factory?
No doubt Robert it will have lost a lot of power over the years and have the ability of an asthmatic heavy smoker but hopefully after a full rebuild it will be back to somewhere near new(ish)
What kind figures do u think she produce
I would say from new about 60 odd horse and currently about 3....
That be quite punchy for something as old as she is be great to Tootle around in doing odd jobs
They are not that punchy they weigh a fair old bit. It depends how the horses are measured but I seem to remember the later Leylands being around 70bhp.
Very good video i suppose jcb use this technology in ther fastrac tractors no wasted oil tanks and fuel tanks all built into the chassis
No, JCB went away from the Hydra-chassis and went to separate oil tanks.
good job. could you show us the torque converter and how it works it would be nice to know ????
I'll try and get time to do some footage on it and explain how they work.
All rather simple really.
good man see what ya can do it would be nice to know. hope it all goes well and it will be nice to see her on the road again. thanks a mill. and don't worry about them people who hates every thing someone else does. do your own thing and fuck them all. all the best...
Nice job have you done a video putting it back in
Yes, check out the videos on my channel and it's there 👍
Kind of a nasty job but things looked pretty easy to get to. It will be nice when it's all cleaned up and has new parts are installed.
Yes it should be much better once done that's for sure.
If it is a keeper would it be worth overhauling the shuttle as you are near there to removing it? Perhaps expensive if it seems OK? Good video Muck
It was overhauled not long before it was sold Pete. If for any reason it has to be done again in the future, it's not a bad job due to the 3 component system (Engine, transmission, rear axle)
bedford engine crane wow
withams have some late bedfords on auction at mo
spring day birds singing happy days well done
Makes it a whole lot easier !
Is there anything else in there that need's fixing while the engine is out, Lotta room to do it for sure..Cool Vid. Friend..Have a great day..
Yes it gives us a chance to check other bits over Cynthia.
Have a great weekend ! Stay safe.
You made that look easy, guess that is what happens when you have the right tools for the job. who is the rebuilder going to be?
I'll get Simon to do it as he has all the parts.
Hey! I have a 1985 3dx with a bad engine. I have gotten hold of an 1104A-44T from 2005. Do you thumb that would fit in my little machine? Best regards. August
You'll have to check but it's possible.
@@LordMuck thanks Muck! What should I be looking for? (My first machine)
You're going to have to check bellhousing, weights, dimensions, mounts etc
@@LordMuck thanks! I will, much appreciated. And great video!
I see a jointed belt(emergency) how do you rate them?
Very useful.
Hey everyone, my 3c starts then dies, what's my options is it a total rebuild or something more simple, I use it for tinkering around, any advice appreciated. Ty!!! How do I troubleshoot it?
Sean, once it dies do you have to bleed it ?
@@LordMuck if I leave it for a while it will start again but then shuts off again
Right, drain your tank, swill it with diesel and look at the strainer on the end of the fuel pick up in the tank. Drain the swillings and put in fresh fuel. Put on new fuel filter.
@@LordMuck thank you I will try it and report back ps your 3c videos are great, a great resource especially the engine out one!
Cheers 👍
hello im loocking to buy second hand reverse gear to suit my jcb3c2.I cant fund eany.I will be werry please for eany help thanks
Try Vicary Plant at Lutterworth.
Very good
Thank you.
Lord Muck now you've gone this far that might be worth thinking about doing the cab up and maybe a respray
If you watch the earlier videos, you'll see we are already planning on doing the cab. I'm not too bothered about the paint. As long as it is mechanically sound, the paint can wait.
What truck you in now it's not the disco?
Would have been the Mitsubishi I reckon Gary. I have several different vehicles as well as the Disco.
Jesus Muck if u take on any more restoration work u May give up the day job. Keep safe can't wait for next one
Well to all intents and purposes, it is my day job as it is just another part of the things I do day to day. It needs doing, so I get it sorted and it's just another thing in the long list of things we do.
Glad you are enjoying the vids Mickey.
Hey mate, you old fruity fruit, u done a good job on getting bonnet out of way on the digger. We call fluid flywheel torque converters but at least u said that a couple times too 😎
What what old stick ! The reason I try to differentiate between T/C and Powertrain is the earlier Mk3's had a straight T/C and these were a separate unit but yes, its a torque converter transmission.
Lovely old job, thanks for watching my old stick, what !
Any one can give me any idea to replace the belts 1978 on one the sample of this
Remove pump drive, replace belts, rejoin drive.
what year model is this and what engine
1980 with a 4/98
@@LordMuck I am in South Africa and i need a gearbox for mine. unfortunately i dont have any info for the machine because the mechanic that was suposed to do gearbox repairs took the plate with all the info off and dissapeared with the gearbox.Mine is the one without the short propshaft. any idea what model it can be ? The rest is exactly the same as on the video.
Brockhouse Torque Converter
Is that a 3 cilinder BMC engine?
No, 4 cyl Leyland 4/98
what engine is that exactly?
Leyland 4.98
Thought so I have a Leyland 272 tractor 1976 I rebuilt the engine a few years ago, the pistons in the jcb have the bottom rings as they idle a lot to stop oil been picked up into the bores. Loverly engine smooth, one of my liners went porous as they do. I like the channel. Rob
Sorry I miss spoke it’s 1976 sorry.
This engine has its own stressed sump Rob unlike the tractors ones which sit on the frame.
Them BMC’s were always wet with oil
Do well 😂
big old block aint it