Finally got the old girl back and gave it a wash. I take a quick overview and explain some of the basics and how it became the forerunner of the 3CX Sitemaster.
I've subscribed. I remember in the late seventies, a local jcb legend was doing land clearing on our farm with a jcb 3c mk lll. A piece of casting from one of the half shaft housings snapped off and got into the drive gearing. The legend went off, came back a while later with a complete half shaft system and housing in the back of a Ford anglia and replaced the mangled unit with the one in boot of the anglia out on an open field. Greetings from the sunny South East Ireland
I remember these as a kid in the seventies I was fascinated i watched Severn trent put a pipeline from stoke to Newcastle with maybe not this model but was a jcb always remember the compactors they used too big tall thing that jumped in the air when they pressed a lever good video as always anyway
Great old machine , I remeber the 3C s beside the roads doing work at the time when I was a little ankle biter, me always remember thinking what a great color scheme they had , love the old school kit . Great vid mucker 👍
I owned one of these back in the 80s , min had a four in one front bucket and a extending dipper , one hell of a machine , If only JCB had fitted a four wheel drive unit on this model therre would have never been a JCB 3C X !! I am watching this and loving it brings back many a memory Thanks , Vernon.
Borg Warner Reverse shuttle & Turner 4 speed gearbox. Used to work on these as an apprentice from 1978/80. Early engines, Leyland 38TD, later ones 498NT (balanced), then Perkins. System pressure 2500psi max. Later models had torque proportional diff. Did my college project on 3CX Development.
Interesting comment about the poster. In the sixties my uncle would get the "Construction news" and in the centre most weeks there would be a double page glossy advert , often these where for JCB's of all types , but they all ended up on my bedroom wall. It would seem I wasnt the only one.
Expanding foam, gaffer tape and tec screws. Marvelous inventions LOL. To be fair, she looks pretty straight and I'm sure you'll do a cracking job on her.
Lord Muck yes please I would like. To learn more. My family back ground is agricultural. So I know little bits wot my Nan told me. About things. I like to see old machines being brought back life and being used. Not just standing there like a. ornament.
Lovely stuf buddy i all so remember them as a kid as well iv always had a spot for them ok hi from brit man in austrailia i will keep an eye out for your next vid thank you .be safe out there
It was the 3CII that I had a go in that gave me an interest in the 180°'s. Got my CITB ticket then worked on 3CX's and CAT's. But have since moved over to 360° tracked excavators. Usually it's the guys from the 360°'s that jump into a 180°and can't operate them too well thinking they can. Glad I gained skills on the backactor first. Enjoyed your video, thanks.
Good on you Kurt. This is similar to the one at the garage, except it has a gearbox and clutch. He got it in the mid 90s and I did some work on the cab, just to hold it together. As to using it, I quickly got used to the X lever positions, in fact rather enjoyed them for double use, slewing and lifting for example. Fairly sure he's been using it this weekend for moving stuff around.
Definitely. Last year he hadn't used it for ages. Had to move stuff around for the extended yard (now done). Well I heard him grating the gears, clutch was stuck so he reversed and came forward with no clutch...luckily it freed off. Doesn't have time to give it any tlc, but still does the job.
Fascinating. I knew not of JCB's history and connection to Fordson. We've had about four of the Fordson Major Diesels over the last forty odd years. The old timers said they were popular for backhoe operations in their day, but I've never seen one equipped as such. I've a Super Major/Ford 5000 that is slated to go under the knife for a bit of resto. Sure wish the Roadless was as popular in the States as it was in your neck of the woods. That kind of hardware is hard to come by around these parts. That old JCB looks to be in mighty fine condition from this side of the screen. It will be a handy novelty to keep around, much like Dad's '49 D7 Cat. Not the most efficient, but she'll still push a bit! I look forward to your updates on this project. Take Care Stay Safe Be Blessed!
mind how you go, gov; pay attention at the back! lol really enjoy your videos Kurt, you have an interesting sense of humor and a cool attitude as well as a wealth of knowlege and information.
Cheers Ron, the truth is that all my life I have been lucky enough to work with a lot of people that have a wealth of knowledge and experience and they have been kind enough to teach me and pass that on because they knew I was interested in what they had to tell me.
I think my dream machine is a Terex 72-71B ! trouble is I don't have the time for one currently or realistically the space... Have a great week Cynthia !
great video -she not to shabby considering her age bet still plenty that model dotted around country doing lots odd jobs on farms etc, still plenty life in the old girl yet when u look at this then see what jcb do now they really have created the ultimate plant machines
Hi, Thanks so much for your videos. A bit like you, I have an old 3c Mk2 (called Vic) which will be needing both the cab metalwork replacing and the engine servicing soon, so wondered if you had gotten round to yours and whether you filmed it. Nice to see these old units still working. Cheers
She's not in bad nick, the one I used to run had the tractor style transmission and the front loader controls was 3 levers ours had the 4 in 1 bucket and forks. I remember the diff got damaged and I had to swap the bits over by removing the cab floor the old Nuffield/ Leyland diffs were high up which made the job a bit easier. Nice video a pleasant trip down memory lane.
I was offered an earlier 3C3 with the 4-1 bucket but the three levers is so cumbersome when all I want it for is moving gear plus we have the newer JCB for any grading work !
Great old beast, I went by one everyday for 12 years parked in a field slowly sinking into said field and then one day the front wheels got pinched and then in a matter of weeks they took the whole bloody thing, I'd been meaning to ask the owner if I could possibly buy it but obviously didn't but wish I had I'm still 👀looking 👀. For one I might add great vid as usual 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hi, well that's a trip down memory lane! Drove one of those in mid 80's then bought a 81 case 580F. Didn't like at first because it had a very fast back actor slew. Once I got used to it I found it a very good machine. David brown engine, gear box and back axle plus torque converter. Because of the type of chassis construction JCB's tended to have stress cracks which had to be welded up. A local plant hire contractor told me that I wouldn't have to use a welder on the 508. He was right although a few years later I did tell him that I had had used a welder on it - the bracket holding the rear number plate had fallen off!!! Still use it as my yard machine and never had any stress crack problems with it. Good luck with the old JC. Midlandmike.
Early on I spent more time on a 580F than a 3C and 3CX before going on to a G and then an SK. Case were far quicker than the JCB's but not as powerful plus the G's used to shear the drive to the oil pump and seize. JCB's were sods for cracking the top of the main boom on the back actor. I always liked the loader and controls on the 580F - just seemed right and natural plus you could get that DB lump to bark out on a cold morning !
Sorry Chap, just seen your comment. I assume sold around the same time. She was 8 years old when I first saw her, October 1987. We had another, HAJ918V, a 1972 'L' plate 3Cii on breaker duties, and an 805B, FRY616V.
She's a neat machine for sure, I didn't know the frame was a tank as well, very interesting! kinda built with the same concept as a truck. Have you ever had a chance to run any of the older Ford or Case backhoes with the 4 lever boom controls?
Oldest case I ran was a 580F so two main levers plus two for jack legs but I did drive an old Ford for a guy which had a separate levers for each control. It was like playing Beethoven's 5th symphony !
Hi Thanks for the video, this is going to be a good series. I figured the JCB or cab kit for the Deere is what turned up, I like surprises more than using other social media sites ;). Looks like you did good if the money was right, and You made it worth another 1000 quid washing it . I only ever saw one so it must be pretty rare in the U.K. My friend in wales rebuilt a factory fitted Ford engine in a 3C3 they didn't all have a Leyland, I think there was a strike at Bathgate or something like that could of been the reason. Your cabs worse than mine for rot sadly, but you got parts like the lower dash panel, the cover over the brake reservoir and most of the switches I'm missing. I think I found one in the states for parts so hopefully they might have the missing trinket bits. Mine has a pattern changer on the rear controls for export so it's + instead of x but like some 3cx's you can turn it for X if desired, I don't have the single loader control either it's a 3 stick no 4 in 1. Mines starting to get expensive the more I work it, it has 5 good days then seems to cost money. This weeks started with one front tire looking 8 1/2 months pregnant and ready to deliver a tube anytime!. The big kicker is it's got 1 new tire I can't match up, the only thing I can buy is 18" front tires off a case 580 4wd to fit my D rims, there's loads of different 16" tires for a C rim in Canada . I'm pretty sure the whole thing will be painted before the end, been there done that with the "I'll just do this bit" then it makes the rest look crap from 200 ft. Like me you remember them being smart looking work horses back in the day, and thats what you'll want before you're done. I'm thinking if I got the patience and time to do it right mines getting a new Sunday suit ;) . Robert.
Early Jakes had a Ford engine, never seen a 3C3 with a Ford lump unless it had been converted (seen that on a 3C2). If you want any bits and bobs for yours Robert, drop me a line and I will see what I can get over to you.
Thanks for the parts offer I'll see what happens. On the ford motor I know about the old Fordson ones. I just thought of something I saw in my old Bepco parts books from the U.K It lists the JCB clutches. There is a 13" listed for MK 3's with BMC or a Ford Engine it says it's a 956, so is that maybe an industrial 5000 tractor type motor. Google didn't bring it up in a search, or something could be wrong with the info. It would of been around the very late 80's or early 90's this one was around. There would of been lots of Leyland /Nuffield stuff to swap a motor if needed,so swapping a ford in might not make sense when it wasn't that old . Thinking back over years of useless info i'm pretty sure I've read or heard about them somewhere else to, But don't know where it was. Maybe I need to ask some questions on a forum Julian Carder that works for JCB is on sometimes. Robert
Julian would know if they fitted another unit for export or similar but I've never seen a late one with a Ford lump. Don't forget that the later 3C's aren't just a 'Leyland lump' and there are several bits that are rather different (same as the lorry ones, the industrial ones etc)
nice. you seem to know a lot about these diggers. we have a 1981 jcb 3cx (white cab is the nickname i believe) and when you select reverse on the forward/reverse shifter, the transmission just lock up, like as if you have applied the breaks. it goes fine in foward. just wondering if you have a vague idea of what it might be. cheers
It could be several things but to save time, give Vicary Plant at Lutterworth a call. They will know what it is and also will have the bits you need to sort it. Great guys to deal with.
so more like a defender or Jimny then with a chassis to take the stress and all the other gubbins bolted on. very forward thinking. How many hours has it on, it looks very tidy for a 1980?
great vid dad use to have one like that not sure if powertrain I wish we brought it down to Cornwall when we moved would have been useful are you going to paint her?
I'll probably paint the cab to protect it from the elements but will more than likely leave the rest - I'm not after a show piece, just something that's useable.
just a thought ? as i have just rebuilt a velvet drive box i seem to see one on this machine it would be paired with a borg werner 4 speed trans this was also rebuilt by me on a matbro telehandler woul i be on the right tracks?
Great video. Interesting that they used the chassis as oil and fuel tanks. I think that's the first time I have heard anyone mention Nuffield. Many many years ago friends of ours had a Nuffield 4/60. I never got to drive it as it had a clutch issue. But I've never seen nor heard of one since. Keep up the great work Sir and mind ow YOU go.
Check out Malc of Lincoln's channel, he's a big Nuffield fan. In the day, they were advertised as 'Britain's most powerful tractor' as they had more grunt than the Fordson Major.
The shuttle reverser on my 3cx needs topping up ,, but the handbook states using only jcb T/C oil c3 sae 10,, but I’m in rural France and ain’t got any,,local shop says use automatic transmission fluid as is same,,? Is this true..?
The late brockhouse unit 3c3 came with the hydra chassis skid incorporating oil and diesel tanks in the chassis itself but not a power train transmission, so the trans all in one with the portal rear axle but (almost) the same skid as the power train. Full width squared off dash. I know this because I've got one parked in the yard with clamshell front bucket (sadly not a extending boom, though Ive seen a 3c3 with one, but maybe it wasn't original, who knows...) I dont know if the 4/98 sump is different but its a cast alloy one, and has a massive skid plate underneath in 1/4" steel that I'm pretty sure braces the chassis. I think they kept changing them every season without changing the designation so ordering bits is a minefield in that whole transition period. If your bothered, your missing a bit of sheet trim that goes on top of the door to make it mate up to the sliding door, but easy to fold a fill piece for. Someone should sell cab quarter repair panels pre bent, theyre all fubar at the bottom, though our ROPS cabs fared a bit better with the rot monster. I didn't even got the doors or glass in mine and cabs are a bit like hens teeth. Why run a old dog? because it beats digging with a bloody spade...
Curiosity got the better of me, and the extending dipper is a factory option on 3c... Interesting... www.classicmachinery.net/forum/images/userpix/578_ONIRRVVSUX7O1460912101.jpg
Brockhouse is a different skid to the Powertrain. Powertrain is 3 units mounted within the Hydra-Chassis whereas the Brockhouse is still a tractor skid unit (Leyland 270) mounted within the Hydra-Chassis. The Hydra-Chassis had been around for years previously. 4/98 sumps are load bearing in a Powertrain as it has no tractor skid to support it. I've got all the bottom door pieces (two spares) and a couple of spare step plates. Cabs are a nightmare, mine is okay as they go and can be repaired along the bottom.
A friend of mine said you could switch the pipes around on the back actor to make like the newer ones but i always thought they screwed around with the pressure and nothing worked smoothly was just curious if that was true
I doubt you could change the pattern but it is more than likely possible that you could swap the dipper and boom to go to 'standard' (Boom right, dipper left) At the end of the day it's a JCB and you just adjust accordingly (normally takes me an hour or so by which time I have finished doing what I had to do !)
Lord Muck thanks for the quick reply buddy i agree with you i doubt it can be done and its alot cheaper to spend an hour or two learning the old way than spending a fortune trying to do the other lol keep up the good work love you channel and vids
Do you know much about the JCB MK2 ? I just bought one it's not a 2b it's a Nuffield 10 42 sled 4cyl diesel but other than that I can't find a lot of info on them ?
I turned down a clean 3C because it jumped from 1st gear and I bought a MF 50B instead, it's been really good. But I wish I had bought a 4wd digger or a tracked machine, and will probably be doing that soon, would be far more useful than 2wd
well done enjoy it sometimes we need to go back to remind us were we came from after driving landrover 110 defenders for years a guy told me every defender driver should drive a series just to bring them back to earth ha ha
yes me to mine was a 109 6cyl petrol shocking power and mpg but lovely drive and a burble better than a v8 enjoy the jcb all you need now is the poster again
Hi I was wondering I have a 1979 mark 2 3c engine is very good but as you know the cab is a problem on it just wondering is it possible to get a new cab
JCB obviously came up with a good idea and stuck with it having all parts separated. these days they have solenoids instead of levers so the new ones are just a spruced up oldie anyway.
In e Xtreme cases I could whip off my shoes and using my feet on the rear actor controlles, I could continue loading trucks while eating my lunch with my hands, the same accuracy continued,, no videos back then so no proof.
"Drivin' in me JCB, Just and old sheep dog, and me" The chassis' built for fuel and oil, The bucket's there to move the soil, What more d'you want from a JCB?" You can even stop to drink some tea, Then take a dash behind a tree, Just drivin' in me JCB.
Health to wear and tear it! I bought a rough old 3cMK2 18 months ago, it'd build up the muscles in your legs for sure! [img]i.imgur.com/yrhc9aB.jpg[/img]
Early 73, I think. A surprising number of the hydraulic hoses are original and have the date stamp on the crimped-on alloy tags. Cab a lot rustier than your one, and a variety of welds on boot the front arms and rear boom, but running sweet enough.
I changed the oil and the main filter. Filter had turned into a kind of papery mush. Engine looks like a Leyland recon unit, its that kind of very pale blue BL used. A lot better than the pick and shovel, that's for sure! Keep away from soft ground, though. Even has brakes, which having grown up with 10/60's, 384's and a 272 syncro, is amazing....
she will be lovly that mate every time you drive it or it does a job for you will get off and when walking away you will look back at her and think to yourself yep she's a good'un and smile send it up i will paint her all up for you wink wink haha
I've subscribed. I remember in the late seventies, a local jcb legend was doing land clearing on our farm with a jcb 3c mk lll. A piece of casting from one of the half shaft housings snapped off and got into the drive gearing. The legend went off, came back a while later with a complete half shaft system and housing in the back of a Ford anglia and replaced the mangled unit with the one in boot of the anglia out on an open field. Greetings from the sunny South East Ireland
I remember these as a kid in the seventies I was fascinated i watched Severn trent put a pipeline from stoke to Newcastle with maybe not this model but was a jcb always remember the compactors they used too big tall thing that jumped in the air when they pressed a lever good video as always anyway
Great old machine , I remeber the 3C s beside the roads doing work at the time when I was a little ankle biter, me always remember thinking what a great color scheme they had , love the old school kit . Great vid mucker 👍
Thanks.The power train explanations.well done.you explain these areas with lots of ease.
I owned one of these back in the 80s , min had a four in one front bucket and a extending dipper , one hell of a machine , If only JCB had fitted a four wheel drive unit on this model therre would have never been a JCB 3C X !! I am watching this and loving it brings back many a memory Thanks , Vernon.
The 'Build 5' that you see here were the prototypes to the 3CX basically
That may be old but still modern to me.
I learned to drive on a late 1950s JCB 4 hydradigger that lifted the whole back end into the cab.
Borg Warner Reverse shuttle & Turner 4 speed gearbox. Used to work on these as an apprentice from 1978/80. Early engines, Leyland 38TD, later ones 498NT (balanced), then Perkins. System pressure 2500psi max. Later models had torque proportional diff. Did my college project on 3CX Development.
Thanks for explaining all that, always been curious about those 3Cs. Never knew the 'chassis' was tanked too!
Glad you enjoyed it !
I drove these right through to 3cx, when they got too light to do much at all. I fixed them too. Nice to see the old things online. Thanks.
Bet there was some difference from one of these compared to newer ones with hydraulics speed especially
Interesting comment about the poster. In the sixties my uncle would get the "Construction news" and in the centre most weeks there would be a double page glossy advert , often these where for JCB's of all types , but they all ended up on my bedroom wall. It would seem I wasnt the only one.
David Wall I too had the JCB 3c posters as a kid, my dad and uncle both drove them so I used to get to play with them sometimes aged 6 or 7 😀
You have an obsession! Hahaha love the old equipment
Gonna get a hockey stick to clear all the crap out the way...
Expanding foam, gaffer tape and tec screws. Marvelous inventions LOL. To be fair, she looks pretty straight and I'm sure you'll do a cracking job on her.
And of course lots of high tensile paint...
Love learning about the history of J c b. And same to you look after yourself.and take care.
It was only a brief basic history, there's lots more to learn if you are interested.
Lord Muck yes please I would like. To learn more. My family back ground is agricultural. So I know little bits wot my Nan told me. About things. I like to see old machines being brought back life and being used. Not just standing there like a. ornament.
Lovely stuf buddy i all so remember them as a kid as well iv always had a spot for them ok hi from brit man in austrailia i will keep an eye out for your next vid thank you .be safe out there
Thank you bud have a grate day
Some of the Nuffield skids had Perkins in them and I've once come across a 3c with a Perkins in it never knew if it was factory done or not
What a grand old lady, good luck with the repairs/restoration where one thing leads to another to another to another 🚜😂
I'm not going to go over the top with this, just do what needs doing.
It's solid so that's all that's important, the rest is just cosmetic.
It was the 3CII that I had a go in that gave me an interest in the 180°'s. Got my CITB ticket then worked on 3CX's and CAT's. But have since moved over to 360° tracked excavators. Usually it's the guys from the 360°'s that jump into a 180°and can't operate them too well thinking they can. Glad I gained skills on the backactor first. Enjoyed your video, thanks.
It's a good skill to have under your belt that's for sure !
Thanks for watching.
Good on you Kurt. This is similar to the one at the garage, except it has a gearbox and clutch. He got it in the mid 90s and I did some work on the cab, just to hold it together. As to using it, I quickly got used to the X lever positions, in fact rather enjoyed them for double use, slewing and lifting for example. Fairly sure he's been using it this weekend for moving stuff around.
The majority had the clutch and gearbox. Handy bits of kit.
Definitely. Last year he hadn't used it for ages. Had to move stuff around for the extended yard (now done). Well I heard him grating the gears, clutch was stuck so he reversed and came forward with no clutch...luckily it freed off. Doesn't have time to give it any tlc, but still does the job.
I have learnt so much from this
That's good - you have a test next week.
I learned to drive in my uncles 3c mk iii they are just amazing
They're a lovely old machine and can still put in a day when required even now.
Fascinating. I knew not of JCB's history and connection to Fordson. We've had about four of the Fordson Major Diesels over the last forty odd years. The old timers said they were popular for backhoe operations in their day, but I've never seen one equipped as such. I've a Super Major/Ford 5000 that is slated to go under the knife for a bit of resto. Sure wish the Roadless was as popular in the States as it was in your neck of the woods. That kind of hardware is hard to come by around these parts.
That old JCB looks to be in mighty fine condition from this side of the screen. It will be a handy novelty to keep around, much like Dad's '49 D7 Cat. Not the most efficient, but she'll still push a bit! I look forward to your updates on this project.
Take Care Stay Safe Be Blessed!
Stay tuned, cos' she's going in for heart surgery soon...!
Fret not, I'll be close by!
mind how you go, gov; pay attention at the back! lol
really enjoy your videos Kurt, you have an interesting sense of humor and a cool attitude as well as a wealth of knowlege and information.
Cheers Ron, the truth is that all my life I have been lucky enough to work with a lot of people that have a wealth of knowledge and experience and they have been kind enough to teach me and pass that on because they knew I was interested in what they had to tell me.
That's really decent shape for the year..I can see your dream machine in there somewhere,
haha ...Take Care and Stay Safe..
I think my dream machine is a Terex 72-71B ! trouble is I don't have the time for one currently or realistically the space...
Have a great week Cynthia !
aw man.. I have the same.. haven't a clue what I am doing but I'm fixing her up as I go along 👌
Nostalgia is a wonderful thing. I’m a 74 child and fully get ya wavelength.
Great Video!
Cheers Damien !
She looks really good for her age. And what a world of good the pressure washer did.
It allowed me to see what was underneath Will and it had actually protected it over the years.
looking forward to seeing you fix this up
I'm sure we will revisit it at some point !
Nice old jcb I likey a lot
great video -she not to shabby considering her age bet still plenty that model dotted around country doing lots odd jobs on farms etc, still plenty life in the old girl yet when u look at this then see what jcb do now they really have created the ultimate plant machines
It's a good design but others have now taken it further.
Hi, Thanks so much for your videos. A bit like you, I have an old 3c Mk2 (called Vic) which will be needing both the cab metalwork replacing and the engine servicing soon, so wondered if you had gotten round to yours and whether you filmed it. Nice to see these old units still working. Cheers
Engine sits in the shed fully rebuilt and now just waiting to get five minutes to plonk it in.
Lord Muck cool. did you sort the cab metalwork out? be good to see another video of it being done.
She's not in bad nick, the one I used to run had the tractor style transmission and the front loader controls was 3 levers ours had the 4 in 1 bucket and forks. I remember the diff got damaged and I had to swap the bits over by removing the cab floor the old Nuffield/ Leyland diffs were high up which made the job a bit easier. Nice video a pleasant trip down memory lane.
I was offered an earlier 3C3 with the 4-1 bucket but the three levers is so cumbersome when all I want it for is moving gear plus we have the newer JCB for any grading work !
Cumbersome is probably the politest term I've heard for that 3 lever set up! You need bloody big hands!
Great old beast, I went by one everyday for 12 years parked in a field slowly sinking into said field and then one day the front wheels got pinched and then in a matter of weeks they took the whole bloody thing, I'd been meaning to ask the owner if I could possibly buy it but obviously didn't but wish I had I'm still 👀looking 👀. For one I might add great vid as usual 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
They are still around although not so many of these late 'Build 5' Powertrains.
Handy thing to have in the yard.
Hi, well that's a trip down memory lane! Drove one of those in mid 80's then bought a 81 case 580F. Didn't like at first because it had a very fast back actor slew. Once I got used to it I found it a very good machine. David brown engine, gear box and back axle plus torque converter.
Because of the type of chassis construction JCB's tended to have stress cracks which had to be welded up. A local plant hire contractor told me that I wouldn't have to use a welder on the 508. He was right although a few years later I did tell him that I had had used a welder on it - the bracket holding the rear number plate had fallen off!!!
Still use it as my yard machine and never had any stress crack problems with it. Good luck with the old JC. Midlandmike.
Early on I spent more time on a 580F than a 3C and 3CX before going on to a G and then an SK. Case were far quicker than the JCB's but not as powerful plus the G's used to shear the drive to the oil pump and seize. JCB's were sods for cracking the top of the main boom on the back actor. I always liked the loader and controls on the 580F - just seemed right and natural plus you could get that DB lump to bark out on a cold morning !
i LOVE IT LORD MUCK I WOOD DRIVE THAT OL' GIRL AROUND TOWN
Haha ! You would though, wouldn't you ! But then again you get to drive that lovely Ford - now that's a vehicle I'd love to have !
Interesting film. Drove her sister, CYU926V, back in the late 80's.
You're kidding ? Were they on the same company or just sold around the same time ?
Sorry Chap, just seen your comment. I assume sold around the same time. She was 8 years old when I first saw her, October 1987. We had another, HAJ918V, a 1972 'L' plate 3Cii on breaker duties, and an 805B, FRY616V.
Are the jcb good machines any typical problems too look for in one?
She's a neat machine for sure, I didn't know the frame was a tank as well, very interesting! kinda built with the same concept as a truck. Have you ever had a chance to run any of the older Ford or Case backhoes with the 4 lever boom controls?
Oldest case I ran was a 580F so two main levers plus two for jack legs but I did drive an old Ford for a guy which had a separate levers for each control.
It was like playing Beethoven's 5th symphony !
Hi Thanks for the video, this is going to be a good series. I figured the JCB or cab kit for the Deere is what turned up, I like surprises more than using other social media sites ;). Looks like you did good if the money was right, and You made it worth another 1000 quid washing it . I only ever saw one so it must be pretty rare in the U.K. My friend in wales rebuilt a factory fitted Ford engine in a 3C3 they didn't all have a Leyland, I think there was a strike at Bathgate or something like that could of been the reason.
Your cabs worse than mine for rot sadly, but you got parts like the lower dash panel, the cover over the brake reservoir and most of the switches I'm missing. I think I found one in the states for parts so hopefully they might have the missing trinket bits. Mine has a pattern changer on the rear controls for export so it's + instead of x but like some 3cx's you can turn it for X if desired, I don't have the single loader control either it's a 3 stick no 4 in 1.
Mines starting to get expensive the more I work it, it has 5 good days then seems to cost money. This weeks started with one front tire looking 8 1/2 months pregnant and ready to deliver a tube anytime!. The big kicker is it's got 1 new tire I can't match up, the only thing I can buy is 18" front tires off a case 580 4wd to fit my D rims, there's loads of different 16" tires for a C rim in Canada .
I'm pretty sure the whole thing will be painted before the end, been there done that with the "I'll just do this bit" then it makes the rest look crap from 200 ft. Like me you remember them being smart looking work horses back in the day, and thats what you'll want before you're done. I'm thinking if I got the patience and time to do it right mines getting a new
Sunday suit ;) . Robert.
Early Jakes had a Ford engine, never seen a 3C3 with a Ford lump unless it had been converted (seen that on a 3C2).
If you want any bits and bobs for yours Robert, drop me a line and I will see what I can get over to you.
Thanks for the parts offer I'll see what happens. On the ford motor I know about the old Fordson ones. I just thought of something I saw in my old Bepco parts books from the U.K It lists the JCB clutches.
There is a 13" listed for MK 3's with BMC or a Ford Engine it says it's a 956, so is that maybe an industrial 5000 tractor type motor. Google didn't bring it up in a search, or something could be wrong with the info. It would of been around the very late 80's or early 90's this one was around.
There would of been lots of Leyland /Nuffield stuff to swap a motor if needed,so swapping a ford in might not make sense when it wasn't that old . Thinking back over years of useless info i'm pretty sure I've read or heard about them somewhere else to, But don't know where it was. Maybe I need to ask some questions on a forum Julian Carder that works for JCB is on sometimes. Robert
Julian would know if they fitted another unit for export or similar but I've never seen a late one with a Ford lump. Don't forget that the later 3C's aren't just a 'Leyland lump' and there are several bits that are rather different (same as the lorry ones, the industrial ones etc)
I remember those ones, well made jcbs..
Old style engineering made to last (well, sort of...)
nice. you seem to know a lot about these diggers. we have a 1981 jcb 3cx (white cab is the nickname i believe) and when you select reverse on the forward/reverse shifter, the transmission just lock up, like as if you have applied the breaks. it goes fine in foward. just wondering if you have a vague idea of what it might be. cheers
It could be several things but to save time, give Vicary Plant at Lutterworth a call. They will know what it is and also will have the bits you need to sort it.
Great guys to deal with.
so more like a defender or Jimny then with a chassis to take the stress and all the other gubbins bolted on. very forward thinking. How many hours has it on, it looks very tidy for a 1980?
Not that many hours, can't remember - they are "lie-meters" anyway !
great vid dad use to have one like that not sure if powertrain I wish we brought it down to Cornwall when we moved would have been useful are you going to paint her?
I'll probably paint the cab to protect it from the elements but will more than likely leave the rest - I'm not after a show piece, just something that's useable.
Love that machine
I've had worse (mind you, I've had a lot better...!)
just a thought ? as i have just rebuilt a velvet drive box i seem to see one on this machine it would be paired with a borg werner 4 speed trans this was also rebuilt by me on a matbro telehandler woul i be on the right tracks?
Depends on the age and model of Matbro.
Is the power stearing part of the main hydrolic system is there a seporet pump
It has its own system
had one of these brand new,1979 Robert Marriott build fast in Rushden,great digger for its time ,beat the competition hands down
Great video. Interesting that they used the chassis as oil and fuel tanks.
I think that's the first time I have heard anyone mention Nuffield. Many many years ago friends of ours had a Nuffield 4/60.
I never got to drive it as it had a clutch issue. But I've never seen nor heard of one since.
Keep up the great work Sir and mind ow YOU go.
Check out Malc of Lincoln's channel, he's a big Nuffield fan.
In the day, they were advertised as 'Britain's most powerful tractor' as they had more grunt than the Fordson Major.
The shuttle reverser on my 3cx needs topping up ,, but the handbook states using only jcb T/C oil c3 sae 10,, but I’m in rural France and ain’t got any,,local shop says use automatic transmission fluid as is same,,? Is this true..?
Yes it's fine
The late brockhouse unit 3c3 came with the hydra chassis skid incorporating oil and diesel tanks in the chassis itself but not a power train transmission, so the trans all in one with the portal rear axle but (almost) the same skid as the power train. Full width squared off dash. I know this because I've got one parked in the yard with clamshell front bucket (sadly not a extending boom, though Ive seen a 3c3 with one, but maybe it wasn't original, who knows...) I dont know if the 4/98 sump is different but its a cast alloy one, and has a massive skid plate underneath in 1/4" steel that I'm pretty sure braces the chassis. I think they kept changing them every season without changing the designation so ordering bits is a minefield in that whole transition period. If your bothered, your missing a bit of sheet trim that goes on top of the door to make it mate up to the sliding door, but easy to fold a fill piece for. Someone should sell cab quarter repair panels pre bent, theyre all fubar at the bottom, though our ROPS cabs fared a bit better with the rot monster. I didn't even got the doors or glass in mine and cabs are a bit like hens teeth. Why run a old dog? because it beats digging with a bloody spade...
Curiosity got the better of me, and the extending dipper is a factory option on 3c... Interesting... www.classicmachinery.net/forum/images/userpix/578_ONIRRVVSUX7O1460912101.jpg
Brockhouse is a different skid to the Powertrain.
Powertrain is 3 units mounted within the Hydra-Chassis whereas the Brockhouse is still a tractor skid unit (Leyland 270) mounted within the Hydra-Chassis. The Hydra-Chassis had been around for years previously.
4/98 sumps are load bearing in a Powertrain as it has no tractor skid to support it.
I've got all the bottom door pieces (two spares) and a couple of spare step plates.
Cabs are a nightmare, mine is okay as they go and can be repaired along the bottom.
Yes dipper was an option but was meant to be hellish because of the extra weight.
I much preferred the X pattern controls found on the Nissan industrial fork trucks.
I think both Nissan and the Toyota forklifts had a similar control pattern.
You could spec either or.
I have a question: what hydraulic oil is used for this machine? And what oil is used in the engine? Thanks
JCB hydraulic oil and 10/40 engine oil (or cross reference equivalents)
@@LordMuck Thank you very much 👍
Drove a 1964 3C Fordson skid crash box back actor controls same X pattern
A friend of mine said you could switch the pipes around on the back actor to make like the newer ones but i always thought they screwed around with the pressure and nothing worked smoothly was just curious if that was true
I doubt you could change the pattern but it is more than likely possible that you could swap the dipper and boom to go to 'standard' (Boom right, dipper left) At the end of the day it's a JCB and you just adjust accordingly (normally takes me an hour or so by which time I have finished doing what I had to do !)
Lord Muck thanks for the quick reply buddy i agree with you i doubt it can be done and its alot cheaper to spend an hour or two learning the old way than spending a fortune trying to do the other lol keep up the good work love you channel and vids
I'm lucky enough that having driven both I can swap over within an hour or so but it still makes you think !
Glad you're enjoying the vids.
Each service had different pressure settings for aux relief valves inside spool valves so swapping hoses around would effect digging performance.
Do you know much about the JCB MK2 ? I just bought one it's not a 2b it's a Nuffield 10 42 sled 4cyl diesel but other than that I can't find a lot of info on them ?
There's plenty on the internet about them 👍
I turned down a clean 3C because it jumped from 1st gear and I bought a MF 50B instead, it's been really good. But I wish I had bought a 4wd digger or a tracked machine, and will probably be doing that soon, would be far more useful than 2wd
Massey's aren't bad machines. I had a 50HX on loader work and thought it got about quite well.
well done
enjoy it sometimes we need to go back to remind us were we came from after driving landrover 110 defenders for years a guy told me every defender driver should drive a series just to bring them back to earth ha ha
I actually used to like driving my ex-army S3 LWB. Mind you, I wouldn't want to have it as a daily driver these days.
yes me to mine was a 109 6cyl petrol shocking power and mpg but lovely drive and a burble better than a v8
enjoy the jcb all you need now is the poster again
Hi I was wondering I have a 1979 mark 2 3c engine is very good but as you know the cab is a problem on it just wondering is it possible to get a new cab
Not anymore but you can always rebuild the one you have.
@@LordMuck thanks very much for letting me know. One more question is it hard to do the brakes in.
If you're handy with a toolbox they aren't that bad to do.
Depends which set-up you have.
@@LordMuckI think there fairly handy lift a plate from the inside of the cab maybe I'm wrong forget thanks
Before I was a twinkle in my dads eye, in his 20’s, he had a job digging footings with a 3c mk2.
What engine is it exactly the Leyland 272??
4/98
JCB obviously came up with a good idea and stuck with it having all parts separated. these days they have solenoids instead of levers so the new ones are just a spruced up oldie anyway.
👍 nice 😊
In e Xtreme cases I could whip off my shoes and using my feet on the rear actor controlles, I could continue loading trucks while eating my lunch with my hands, the same accuracy continued,, no videos back then so no proof.
I never knew that the chassis held the liquids.
"Drivin' in me JCB,
Just and old sheep dog,
and me"
The chassis' built for fuel and oil,
The bucket's there to move the soil,
What more d'you want from a JCB?"
You can even stop to drink some tea,
Then take a dash behind a tree,
Just drivin' in me JCB.
Nice buy you bloody fruit!
You'd love to have a play in this machine. Glad you enjoyed having a look old stick.
Health to wear and tear it! I bought a rough old 3cMK2 18 months ago, it'd build up the muscles in your legs for sure! [img]i.imgur.com/yrhc9aB.jpg[/img]
That's a tidy old Jake. Much easier than using a barrow and shovel ! What year is it ?
Early 73, I think. A surprising number of the hydraulic hoses are original and have the date stamp on the crimped-on alloy tags. Cab a lot rustier than your one, and a variety of welds on boot the front arms and rear boom, but running sweet enough.
Is it a 17 plate 3CX ? No, so a bit of wear and tear is acceptable ! Haha! They are good fun, iconic and save a lot of work.
Yours is as old as I am !
I changed the oil and the main filter. Filter had turned into a kind of papery mush. Engine looks like a Leyland recon unit, its that kind of very pale blue BL used. A lot better than the pick and shovel, that's for sure! Keep away from soft ground, though. Even has brakes, which having grown up with 10/60's, 384's and a 272 syncro, is amazing....
A 272 was an incredible tractor for it's size and power.
Congrats on 1,000 subs sorry for not being on for ages what's your snap chat
Cheers Don, I see you've got over a hundred subs now ! Good stuff.
It's lordmuck4890
they are an indespensible piece of equipment around the farm
she will be lovly that mate every time you drive it or it does a job for you will get off and when walking away you will look back at her and think to yourself yep she's a good'un and smile
send it up i will paint her all up for you wink wink haha
I'll dump it in your yard and pick it up later.
hahahaha just let me make some room 1st haha
have fun and enjoy the smiles per gallon value...
I got my go pro so il do more real life vids my reall life vid channel is dmg . Donncha vids
I'll have a look Don.
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What is ur Snapchat lord muck ?
It's at the end of the vid:
lordmuck4890
Ok th asks and keep up the great videos and can u do another Q&A
I'll see what I can do Ben.