for all of you who don't know, shimmy beats delay tech brutally, but wakeup lows beat shimmy, but meatys beat wakeup lows, block and invincible dp beats meaty, but delayed meaty beats ex dp, but wakeup button beats delayed meaty, but meaty beats wakeup button, but of course block beats wakeup meaty, but throw beats block, tech throw beats throw, and parry beats block strings, but throw beats parry, and FYI DI beats DI 😤😤
As always though, general rule of thumb if you don't have a read on them: take the throw and block. And whilst it may seem like it's a complete lottery on guessing correctly, a lot of offensive pressure is about trying to condition your opponent into expecting certain situations and getting a read on their playstyle.
I learned this like 3 weeks ago and Ive been playing fighting games for almost 30 yrs lol! This EXTREMELY powerful guys and should always be on your mind! As a Marisa main Im always looking for the throw and the jump in and delayed tech is a must learn!
One tip to make sure you're doing the timing right is if you see your opponent's throw actually start and THEN the tech happens. That's how you know you're doing it late / correct.
Nice video created by a smart guy because it is easy to listen as it is explained very structured, simple AND interesting. As a platinum 4 SF6 player I finally might have found the next important key to enter Diamond. The Shimmy. Thank you!
I've known about the late throw tech OS for years but never bothered to implement it into my gameplay. This video dropping is inspiring me to finally lab it out and work it into my muscle memory. Thanks, Vesper team.
They wouldn't put this in their tutorial because it's a little bit game-breaking. Luckily it's not busted enough that I doubt they will take it out (much like crouch teching in SF4)
@@JUSTaGinVA They are meant to work that way. Its just an option select. Taking advantage of the buffer. You need an input buffer on throw to give people a big enough window to tech. Plenty of ways to abuse this. Buffering moves and specials so they come out if there is a gap in a string. Another one is to poke a space that the opponent walks and input a special so if it hits the special automatically comes out. Delay teching will get blown up once your opponent figures out that your delaying teching all their throws. They'll start neutral jumping mid string or doing shimmy's on wakeup or mid string. That punish counter can be 50%-60% with a level 3 super.
This is one of those things where it seems so simple that pretty much anyone could figure out on their own but they don't because they already fell into the easy to fall into hole of "tech throws are just a guessing game" early on, like yours truly xD. This is definitely something I'm gonna start practicing and trying to incorporate into my play, thanks for the video Vesper this is gonna help a lot of people out a ton.
Thanks for releasing this Vesper. Ive been getting killed by taking the throw way too many times 😅. Time to put this into practice and get to diamond rank 👍
It's honestly crazy to me seeing chat blow up about how broken this is and if its gonna get patched like the SIA option select. this tech is probably older than a decent number of people playing this game. Its a good sign tho that sf6 is reaching a whole new audience and im here for it!
@@JoeRahl I was wondering if it's something that had been patched out or if it was going to. So we aren't being sarcastic. Not everyone has been in the fgc forever
I figured this out just yesterday using the Throw Escape training preset and felt like a genius making an earth-shattering discovery. Today I open this video "so this has existed since Street Fighter 4..." 😓
Lol the chat going off 😂. I remember figuring out a similar option select in sf4 (but mine had one extra layer to it) and thinking i was the smartest guy ever.
brilliant. i knew about this since sf4, but it always good to remember and know its nuances in every game. now i'd like to see the video in which you explain when it fails! like the jump neutral, shimmi, etv
Good to know. I just blindly assumed delay tech was this but i didnt know it was that simple to result in a favorable outcome and i didnt know it was a whole 13 frame window thats pretty big
- Followup after a day of fragmented training for anyone who cares, I'm now teching every grab that I am ready for! :D I'm embarrassed this was legacy knowledge but I never tried to get good seriously before SF6, so here we are! Thx vesper.
I did not know how to do this properly and Im stuck in high plat. I 100% have problems getting S/T mixed up on wake up. This just might take me to diamond!
I didn't know there was a name for it. I was a throw tech monster. I was hard stuck diamond because of it. I then made the adjustment but it was hard to resist from doing it. I eventually got over the hump and got to master.
Ive been doing delay tech since sf4 and now its become a very bad habit. I get blown up by neutral jump and shimmy a lot and now i gotta try and unlearn that muscle memory 😢
Great guide and I know for my casual a@# this does become a problem when someone turns up the heat and your just lost getting beat senseless. It's crazy how much I love the nuances in this game but it's those same nuances that will keep me from being a top tier player, this game is as deep or shallow as you want it to be. Didn't stop me from playing till 4 this morning though, I'm a full blown addict.
There's a nice simple training mode preset called throw escape to practice this. Also gotta say it's not such a secret if the game teaches it to you. You're explanation is much better than the games though
If they recognize it they will start to shimmy, so you wake up low and beat the shimmy. It’s a conditioning game, so having variation in offense and defense it’s really important.
im 100% serious btw, I think I have delay throw tech down, but still struggle on how to sell the shimmy and how to incorporate it in my gameplay when im corner pressuring my opponent
I'm blocking and waiting a slight moment when they're close to me as they drive rush in. If they attack, I of course, block, if they throw, then I still have time to tech since my throw is delayed.
as this game gets old it will be harder for players cuz I don't think any other fighting game has so many guides coming out to improve yourself. it's such a double edge sword lol like i'm improving myself watching this and similarly my opponent is doing the same
in the end its still just comes down to fast reaction times. you need to see ur opponent throw a hit or grab, if he just stands there in the correct range and just shimmy back, you gonna throw a grab and he gets a free punish counter
I should’ve made this 😂 but i didn’t understand the full concept.. this is on my channel but with Juri the vid is called SGGK and also with Marisa SGGK
The video, streamer, concept, are all fantastic but oh my god the stream chat in the bottom left is so annoying. The entire chat must share a single brain cell amongst themselves
This is fantastic, but not a secret. In training under simple training settings, there's throw escape practice, where it explains this with a text "Crouch block as you get up and input a throw as his attack hits to defend against both strikes and throws". Haha :D
This is why people don’t buy fighting games as someone that has been playing Fighters since early 2000’s you really do have to put in time and training with street fighter 6 there’s alot of stuff borrowed from other series but definitely have to learn and get better
this delayed throw tech will not work if they were tick throw you though like attack walk up and attack again.. for example.. they hit you with LK or x2 LK then while ur blocking and delaying the tech u will get grabbed after the tech… or they can easily LK or x2 LK or Drive Rush and grab you or continue pressure.. if u grab after ticks u can easily get punished if they continue to frame trap you with a button instead of grab.
@@blackmanta2527if you get thrown on wake up trying to shimmy it means you didn't walk back far enough. Shimmy always beats throws (exception is for characters with slow walk speed, you can't shimmy with dhalsim for example)
If you watch most of the top players though, they rarely use it. They're scared of eating damage from the shimmy, so they're not too bothered about grab damage.
I'll keep that in mind if I ever play at a professional level. Edit: I apologize, the above comment wasn't really deserving of that kind of response. I tried to be funny but came off as shitty. A better constructed comment: That may be true, but don't disregard this option entirely because high level play is much different from that of the average player. Understanding *why* they do or don't do something, and whether that logic also applies to your situation, is an important step in high-level play analysis. Definitely practice this tech a bit, see where it fits into your gameplan, keep in mind the weaknesses and you're golden. See you on the streets. 👊
@@tiguilherman_plays Apologies for being cheeky, I didn't mean to upset you. It just needs to be understood that part of playing a fighting game is sizing up your opponent and analyzing what they do and do not have the knowledge to beat - knowledge checking. Obviously at a high level you can go into a match with the expectation that your opponent will be shimmying, but this is a valuable tool and I didn't want people reading the comments to think to themselves "oh, the pros don't use it? Guess I won't either then." You have to understand the context behind why they don't - advanced footsies, optimal punishes, etc - and decide for yourself what works for your skill level, rank, matchup, etc.
@@Sharkwellington youre just stating the obvious, there. Every kind of tech is vocabulary. Delay tech included. And if you know what youre doing, youll use what works depending on what you read from your opponent in the first round or first game, then proceed to counterplay and establishing an actual dialogue. No matter at what level and even if said dialogue consists of you or your opponent getting absolutely trounced.
New to these games. I still don’t understand how to delay tech. Do you hit light punch/kick in order to tech delay a hit/throw or is it something in settings that you enable?
Is it accurate to call this an option select, then? From my understanding, isn’t an option select the game deciding the best outcome in a given sequence and performing that automatically based on your inputs? You’re really just only hitting lp & lk a few frames later than normal, so is that actually an OS? Or just a delay in the buttons you choose to press? Just trying to understand the terminology/semantics.
It's an OS because it's covering two options at once, the throw or the strike. The best outcome is teching the throw and blocking the strikes. It doesn't cover the options that beat it of course but it would be broken if so.
for all of you who don't know, shimmy beats delay tech brutally, but wakeup lows beat shimmy, but meatys beat wakeup lows, block and invincible dp beats meaty, but delayed meaty beats ex dp, but wakeup button beats delayed meaty, but meaty beats wakeup button, but of course block beats wakeup meaty, but throw beats block, tech throw beats throw, and parry beats block strings, but throw beats parry, and FYI DI beats DI 😤😤
i went from iron to master after reading this
This is why i love fighting games so much
As always though, general rule of thumb if you don't have a read on them: take the throw and block.
And whilst it may seem like it's a complete lottery on guessing correctly, a lot of offensive pressure is about trying to condition your opponent into expecting certain situations and getting a read on their playstyle.
This has solved my unemployment, got me a girlfriend, made dad like me and also Bill Gates personally offered me a handshake. 10/10
i need a diagram of this but with the sprite of each move in a cycle of what moves beat what
I love that for each recorded example you show "look it's airtight," and also gradually ramp up the complexity. You teach like a math teacher!
I learned this like 3 weeks ago and Ive been playing fighting games for almost 30 yrs lol! This EXTREMELY powerful guys and should always be on your mind! As a Marisa main Im always looking for the throw and the jump in and delayed tech is a must learn!
BRUH I'M SAYYYYIN, I'm also a Marisa main and this shit feels evil to learn lmao
We Marisa mains grow stronger 😈
Don't forget that, if on top of it, we can't be stunned in the corner during burnout thanks to Scutum >:DDD.
as a new player that knows that tech like this exists but no one wants to share THANK YOU!!!!!!
One tip to make sure you're doing the timing right is if you see your opponent's throw actually start and THEN the tech happens. That's how you know you're doing it late / correct.
Nice video created by a smart guy because it is easy to listen as it is explained very structured, simple AND interesting. As a platinum 4 SF6 player I finally might have found the next important key to enter Diamond. The Shimmy. Thank you!
I remember learning this OS from your SFIV tutorials. How nostalgic.
I've known about the late throw tech OS for years but never bothered to implement it into my gameplay. This video dropping is inspiring me to finally lab it out and work it into my muscle memory. Thanks, Vesper team.
Your profile pic... is that from "Big trouble in little china"?
@@Mdroudianyup the guardian
This is actually game changing, like of course it's not infallible but still. This is huge and I wish the game taught you this in it's tutorial.
They wouldn't put this in their tutorial because it's a little bit game-breaking. Luckily it's not busted enough that I doubt they will take it out (much like crouch teching in SF4)
@@matthewgoodwin7949 I wouldn't call it game breaking it's just taking advantage of throw animations frame data.
In Training mode, they have a prerecorded version of this to practice and even tell you how to do it, but it is not part of the basic training.
They don't teach you this in tutorial because the exchanges in the game were probably never meant to work out that way in the first place.
@@JUSTaGinVA They are meant to work that way. Its just an option select. Taking advantage of the buffer.
You need an input buffer on throw to give people a big enough window to tech.
Plenty of ways to abuse this. Buffering moves and specials so they come out if there is a gap in a string. Another one is to poke a space that the opponent walks and input a special so if it hits the special automatically comes out.
Delay teching will get blown up once your opponent figures out that your delaying teching all their throws. They'll start neutral jumping mid string or doing shimmy's on wakeup or mid string. That punish counter can be 50%-60% with a level 3 super.
This is one of those things where it seems so simple that pretty much anyone could figure out on their own but they don't because they already fell into the easy to fall into hole of "tech throws are just a guessing game" early on, like yours truly xD. This is definitely something I'm gonna start practicing and trying to incorporate into my play, thanks for the video Vesper this is gonna help a lot of people out a ton.
This video is exactly what i need right now.
Thanks for releasing this Vesper. Ive been getting killed by taking the throw way too many times 😅. Time to put this into practice and get to diamond rank 👍
Needed some defence against throws. Finally saw why the hell spamming jabs to stop it doesn't work and I need to stop thinking it does 😅
Bro, thank you for this. It needs practice, but once you understand, it works like a charm. That's why I love you
Thanks to your video I've finally reached platinum! ❤❤❤
caught this on stream but I'm watching again for the almighty algorithm
It's honestly crazy to me seeing chat blow up about how broken this is and if its gonna get patched like the SIA option select. this tech is probably older than a decent number of people playing this game. Its a good sign tho that sf6 is reaching a whole new audience and im here for it!
Pretty sure they were all being sarcastic, lol.
The Twitch acting tech is working
I was there, we were totally being sarcastic 😂
Oh lol 😆. You can never be sure with twitch chat.
@@JoeRahl I was wondering if it's something that had been patched out or if it was going to. So we aren't being sarcastic. Not everyone has been in the fgc forever
Wow this was really helpful. I've been teching so man throws it's insane! Thanks for this.
Thanks for this vid. I was able to mimic your replays so I could practice on my own; big ups for that!!
This is insane. Never knew it was that powerful. Thank you man
10/10 video I really needed this, thank you senpai (also your chat is pretty funny)
VESPER-SAMAAA🔥! This was a game changer for me. Seriously. I shall build you 3 shrines, not 2, 3!
Simp
this guy knows the way listen to him and take notes yall
This is great. Thanks! Against players that rely on these options, this is nice. Then they'll more likely resort to jumping or impact drive
My reflexes are so bad at throw tech that i'm always doing a delay tech, lol
😂😂😂 yes!!
Same. 😂😂
Nice guide Vesper. Thank you!
I figured this out just yesterday using the Throw Escape training preset and felt like a genius making an earth-shattering discovery. Today I open this video "so this has existed since Street Fighter 4..." 😓
It worked in 3rd strike also in 1999.
I came here for the inevitable throwback to the throw tech monster Urine. Left satisfied.
Lol the chat going off 😂. I remember figuring out a similar option select in sf4 (but mine had one extra layer to it) and thinking i was the smartest guy ever.
This is incredibly helpful - thanks
This is going to help me so much with those ken throw loops.
advice of the rythme is gonna carry me !
I really needed this. Thanks 👍🏾
Thanks for this guide, man.
I always had a problem with those tick throws.
Keep up the good work.
Peace.
brilliant. i knew about this since sf4, but it always good to remember and know its nuances in every game. now i'd like to see the video in which you explain when it fails! like the jump neutral, shimmi, etv
SF4 you could just crouch tech which was SUPER busted
Thanks for the tip, Mir.
You just opened my eyes bro👀
This channel is a godsend...
Good to know. I just blindly assumed delay tech was this but i didnt know it was that simple to result in a favorable outcome and i didnt know it was a whole 13 frame window thats pretty big
- Followup after a day of fragmented training for anyone who cares, I'm now teching every grab that I am ready for! :D I'm embarrassed this was legacy knowledge but I never tried to get good seriously before SF6, so here we are! Thx vesper.
I needed to watch this before ranked 😂, cool.
Having thr frame bar there could helped a little to visualize the timming.
I did not know how to do this properly and Im stuck in high plat. I 100% have problems getting S/T mixed up on wake up. This just might take me to diamond!
i noticed you can apply this to blockstrings where they would throw you in the middle of it, but i was doing it wrong on wakeup i think
Wow, that was fast. I saw you doing this on twitch haha.
I didn't know there was a name for it. I was a throw tech monster. I was hard stuck diamond because of it. I then made the adjustment but it was hard to resist from doing it. I eventually got over the hump and got to master.
This is absolutely in the game tutorial. It was still a very goood explanation though.
Ive been doing delay tech since sf4 and now its become a very bad habit. I get blown up by neutral jump and shimmy a lot and now i gotta try and unlearn that muscle memory 😢
Vesper thank you for this wisdom.
A great, in depth video vesper!
I been waiting for this video
very very informative, thanks again for sharing this info
I level up my skills thanks to the Parry button you teach us last video
OMG! This helped me alot, thank you so much 😊
one of the best vids I've seen keep it up
Great guide and I know for my casual a@# this does become a problem when someone turns up the heat and your just lost getting beat senseless. It's crazy how much I love the nuances in this game but it's those same nuances that will keep me from being a top tier player, this game is as deep or shallow as you want it to be. Didn't stop me from playing till 4 this morning though, I'm a full blown addict.
Ancient secret .. since SF4... Made me feel old there.
Whats with the stream comments bunch of a holes. He's teaching something important to noobs and it helps a LOT
Excellent Tip. Thanks!
The live chat comments are hilarious screaming “does capcom know about this” and “patch it” lol and idk if their trolling lol
The fun begins when they have also command grab taking 5 frames and they are right at your face being +2/+3
There's a nice simple training mode preset called throw escape to practice this. Also gotta say it's not such a secret if the game teaches it to you. You're explanation is much better than the games though
Hmm, does the throw escape practice have the same type of preset scenarios Vesper setup?
Thanks man, this is golden.
My grandfather should have taught me this tips😮
Yea, i've been using this alot.. but higher level players instantly recognize it and open me up with netural jump, shimmy or even delayed reversal
If they recognize it they will start to shimmy, so you wake up low and beat the shimmy. It’s a conditioning game, so having variation in offense and defense it’s really important.
Thanks so much for this incredible video!
now you need to do a shimmy guide!!
im 100% serious btw, I think I have delay throw tech down, but still struggle on how to sell the shimmy and how to incorporate it in my gameplay when im corner pressuring my opponent
I understand the delay tech on tick throws, but how are you delay teching a DR>throw if they aren’t pressing a button initially? Seems like a guess
I'm blocking and waiting a slight moment when they're close to me as they drive rush in. If they attack, I of course, block, if they throw, then I still have time to tech since my throw is delayed.
Excellent video!
as this game gets old it will be harder for players cuz I don't think any other fighting game has so many guides coming out to improve yourself. it's such a double edge sword lol like i'm improving myself watching this and similarly my opponent is doing the same
Yeah but this throw tech os is from old games.
@@steeplewiththesnakes I meant in general over all guides. Like how to punish specific moves, character. Combo guides etc
in the end its still just comes down to fast reaction times. you need to see ur opponent throw a hit or grab, if he just stands there in the correct range and just shimmy back, you gonna throw a grab and he gets a free punish counter
I should’ve made this 😂 but i didn’t understand the full concept.. this is on my channel but with Juri the vid is called SGGK and also with Marisa SGGK
The video, streamer, concept, are all fantastic but oh my god the stream chat in the bottom left is so annoying. The entire chat must share a single brain cell amongst themselves
I put a little piece of tape over the corner of the screen so I could continue watching and learning
This is a fantastic video. Thank you so much for preparing all of this!
I can confirm we do share a single brain cell and it's mostly used to annoy Vesper
Vesper be looking like he's using the 3 button assist Sf6 broken glitch.
Keep in mind if they shimmy you you'll eat a punish counter so don't always mash throw
Thank you for this. Amazing!
Stretching out 2 minutes of information to 30 is pretty impressive.
This is fantastic, but not a secret. In training under simple training settings, there's throw escape practice, where it explains this with a text "Crouch block as you get up and input a throw as his attack hits to defend against both strikes and throws". Haha :D
you can practice this in training mode. i forgot the menu, but it's under practicing throw escape.
Thank you so much for this video
This is why people don’t buy fighting games as someone that has been playing Fighters since early 2000’s you really do have to put in time and training with street fighter 6 there’s alot of stuff borrowed from other series but definitely have to learn and get better
this delayed throw tech will not work if they were tick throw you though like attack walk up and attack again.. for example.. they hit you with LK or x2 LK then while ur blocking and delaying the tech u will get grabbed after the tech… or they can easily LK or x2 LK or Drive Rush and grab you or continue pressure.. if u grab after ticks u can easily get punished if they continue to frame trap you with a button instead of grab.
Please show the input history on the left, that way we can see the frame timings of the tech exactly.
He doesn't because it overlaps with the chat. Though, he could probably move the chat to the right side for these videos.
what would that show? you can start holding back pretty much any time after you're knocked down
@@acorn20 when to press the throw tech after holding back for x frames.
The buttons are in the middle of the screen
@@Joe-cp5ud input history has a number next to every key press that tells you how long the button was held down.
Damn get into it already, turned it off because you do t need an hour and a half to explain delay tech jesus
Great video. Thank you!
Can you make a video on when to shimmy next please?
tbh for this you need to practice in actual matches. mostly after knockdowns.
@@AdamantMindsetIt's cus I get confused when I walk backwards and still get thrown
You shimmy to bait this. To practice, set your dummies wakeup reversal to grab. It's harder in this game than SFV
@@blackmanta2527if you get thrown on wake up trying to shimmy it means you didn't walk back far enough. Shimmy always beats throws (exception is for characters with slow walk speed, you can't shimmy with dhalsim for example)
@@steeplewiththesnakesbe sure to set the throw with 4F delay I believe.
Is there a video on how to make this type of trainings
Thanks I needed this so people start delay teching so I can land my shimmies more
Thx. Subbed.
Unsolicited video idea: how damage scaling works in sf6 (explained like I'm 5)
shout out to the chat, best comedians ever!
For cammy, can you replace shimmy with hooligan for the same effect to get around this?
Not exactly since hooligan will lose to wakeup reversal, something that shimmy does not.
Damn I need to do this lol I didn’t even know about this
If you watch most of the top players though, they rarely use it. They're scared of eating damage from the shimmy, so they're not too bothered about grab damage.
I'll keep that in mind if I ever play at a professional level.
Edit: I apologize, the above comment wasn't really deserving of that kind of response. I tried to be funny but came off as shitty. A better constructed comment:
That may be true, but don't disregard this option entirely because high level play is much different from that of the average player. Understanding *why* they do or don't do something, and whether that logic also applies to your situation, is an important step in high-level play analysis. Definitely practice this tech a bit, see where it fits into your gameplan, keep in mind the weaknesses and you're golden. See you on the streets. 👊
@@Sharkwellington lol as if shimmy were exclusive to professional level play. save the sarcasm.
@@tiguilherman_plays Apologies for being cheeky, I didn't mean to upset you. It just needs to be understood that part of playing a fighting game is sizing up your opponent and analyzing what they do and do not have the knowledge to beat - knowledge checking. Obviously at a high level you can go into a match with the expectation that your opponent will be shimmying, but this is a valuable tool and I didn't want people reading the comments to think to themselves "oh, the pros don't use it? Guess I won't either then." You have to understand the context behind why they don't - advanced footsies, optimal punishes, etc - and decide for yourself what works for your skill level, rank, matchup, etc.
@@Sharkwellington youre just stating the obvious, there. Every kind of tech is vocabulary. Delay tech included. And if you know what youre doing, youll use what works depending on what you read from your opponent in the first round or first game, then proceed to counterplay and establishing an actual dialogue. No matter at what level and even if said dialogue consists of you or your opponent getting absolutely trounced.
@@Sharkwellington take the L and move on buddy
the chat is cracking me up
Watched this... You're just good at the game. That is not easy
Thanks! This was helpful
I wish I got thrown backwards by cammy 😢.
The chat is hilarious in the corner. "this is too much. I thought I need to mash di" 😂Thank you
New to these games. I still don’t understand how to delay tech. Do you hit light punch/kick in order to tech delay a hit/throw or is it something in settings that you enable?
It's a manual timing that you do, nothing in the settings
@@JusRed48 thanks. Really hard to execute
Delay tech was in 3S. Not sure about alpha. So before 4.
Is it accurate to call this an option select, then? From my understanding, isn’t an option select the game deciding the best outcome in a given sequence and performing that automatically based on your inputs? You’re really just only hitting lp & lk a few frames later than normal, so is that actually an OS? Or just a delay in the buttons you choose to press?
Just trying to understand the terminology/semantics.
It's an OS because it's covering two options at once, the throw or the strike. The best outcome is teching the throw and blocking the strikes. It doesn't cover the options that beat it of course but it would be broken if so.
If you had a recording of a delay throw tech, it would throw the tech or block the hit, so it's 2 outcomes with the same input
This is an amazing video for a newbie like me. i wish i could download the recordings T_T